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Mocky: >> I'm glad I spent the half hour on the phone trying to find out where his desk actually is. His office says that he's out of the country and his calendar is full from the time he gets back until he leaves the country again at the end of November
a111: Logged on 2018-11-05 15:04 asciilifeform: Mocky: sounds like exactly what mircea_popescu was speaking of. see if allah wills that he shows up to his desk..
Mocky: ahaha I found him. He's in san francisco discussing mutual collaboration with oracle chix:
Mocky: him and his underlings
Mocky: aaaand... the air conditioner is out
Mocky: who could have predicted a used "general cool" ac would prove unreliable
Mocky: maybe I could talk to this guys boss? but no, complete cabinet reshuffle (announced yesterday?!) including not only new ministers all around, but different titles and responsibilities.
Mocky: there goes the org chart I was working off.
Mocky: I don't know where else to go with this, mircea_popescu. I don't see anymore strings to pull on
Mocky: i had myself all worked up to walk into the grand viziers office, lol. was expecting to get shown the door along with distinct sense of closure
deedbot: accepted: 1
asciilifeform: mod6 & other trb folx ^^
asciilifeform brb shortly
mircea_popescu: Mocky_ in some real lulz, that site doesn't even load here ; either it's google hosted or i guess cloudflare proxied or who even knows/cares by now, "shitstack" generically.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i rather agree, qatar didn't manage to do anything with my
a111: Logged on 2018-09-01 15:28 mircea_popescu: like it or not, man has some responsibilities to rhodesia.
mircea_popescu: what can you do.
Mocky: I'm ready to gtfo
mod6: Thanks asciilifeform -- updated the Advertised Republican Node page.
asciilifeform: ty mod6
mod6: np
mircea_popescu: Mocky when's your flight ?
Mocky: mircea_popescu, dec 3rd atm, gotta I move it up
mircea_popescu: aha. alright.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-06 15:08 mircea_popescu: Mocky_ in some real lulz, that site doesn't even load here ; either it's google hosted or i guess cloudflare proxied or who even knows/cares by now, "shitstack" generically.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform some "think tank" fulla "information workers" or knowledge or whatr was it. because totally, OUR oligarchs are SO VERY NOT THE SAME!!! thing as russia's, and OUR retarded kids are so very unlike the pakistani womens' exact same kids. it's not spammers, therefore, lest you wish to not understand how the world works!
asciilifeform: to my untrained eye, indistinguishable from the usual link farm
asciilifeform brb,teatime
mircea_popescu: are the spammers! are the wikitards! BIG DIFFERENCES!!!
Mocky: hmm strange
mircea_popescu: Mocky ah, the fact wasn't in dispute.
Mocky: alright, lol
mircea_popescu: "allah blesses, but doesn't chase you down the street with it" or how did it go.
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: sad to hear re qatar. 'even the best magician cannot pull rabbit from hat unless the rabbit is actually in the hat' or how did it go.
mircea_popescu: eh, whatever. the history of mankind on earth chiefly consists of a string of "couldn't find way out of paper bag, died next to coconut tree" and so on. why should qatar be special.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in continuing fake news lulz : "On 15 July 2016, a coup d'état was attempted in Turkey against state institutions, including the government and President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan.[38] The attempt was carried out by a faction within the Turkish Armed Forces that organized themselves as the Peace at Home Council." << so totally not organized by the same desperate & dying pantsuited hilarity dept of state faction that al
mircea_popescu: so arranged for a new saudi boss that promptly fucked the peninsula for them, etcetera.
asciilifeform: does seem to fit the pattern of 'folx who get used to money gushing out of the ground, get stupid', as per formula
a111: Logged on 2017-12-08 15:02 asciilifeform: the 'good climate makes folx lazy and slowly climbing 'back up to trees' ' item is an old saw, but i'm not aware of any major hole in the theory
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to me the parallels to are striking. mocky walks into qatar, says "umm.., nobody here then ?" gets back "yes, there are people here", proceeds to the next line and ... well... ummm...
asciilifeform: ( how exactly to persuade idjit orc king to build semiconductors , when just 2 or 3 oil wells spoodge out moar moolah than entire taiwan ic industry put together )
mircea_popescu: no need to persuade.
mircea_popescu: i'm not aware we're in the persuading business
asciilifeform: i do expect mircea_popescu will say 'nah, we're in the 'make offer you can't refuse' biz', but seems like they refused, neh
mircea_popescu: (but since the parallel was underlined, let's underline another bit of lulz : ye aspirants of the future, i ask you now : can ~you~ quote as the word of god things you said not "many many years ago" but THE FIRST LINES OUT OF YOUR MOUTH!!! as you were sorta-kinda examining a thing that at the time seemed entirely unimportant to you ? because yes that's the fucking standard, not
mircea_popescu: "whether you can code" but whether you can withstand the storm. all of it, from end to end.)
a111: Logged on 2018-09-19 16:22 mircea_popescu: think of the whole opposability angle, will you. 1. alf : "your summaries suck" 2. bimbo "master, is this true ?" now i'm stuck. i'm not going to do a 3.b. "yes, because i like him" and i can't do a 3.a. "yes, because ~SOMETHING~" as the something's an undefined symbol.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to quote, "au facut bani ? Daca miine ma duc si-mi golesc seiful de diamante in troaca porcilor puteti spune ca porcii au facut bani ? Sunt niste porci foarte bogati acum, au diamante, cine mai e ca ei ? Da ?"
mircea_popescu: should i say to the pigs, "either you cough up teh stones or it's the knife for you" and should the pigs oink-oink, would you say "they refused" ?
mircea_popescu: to refuse you must first understand you're being put to the question.
asciilifeform: fair'nuff
mircea_popescu: (and no, eminently NOT "the question is being put to you". because that's the fucking meaning of "offer you can't refuse", also transliterated as "fate took a hand" and so on -- there's two kinds of questions. the kind that goes "would you like waffles for breakfast" is NOT "also a question just like" the kind that goes "would you like to go to qatar". some questions are put to you ; but then again sometimes you are put to so
mircea_popescu: me questions.)
mircea_popescu: all the wank about the extra empty chair at passover and so forth is exactly driven by the fact that to mortal ears, the kinds are often hard to distinguish, and this difficulty makes entirely no difference.
mircea_popescu: to briefly revisit : signature line being "The Council cited [...] and Turkey's loss of credibility in the international arena as reasons for the coup." ; whenever you see that you can be very much certain it's teh pantsuit.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-06 16:06 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in continuing fake news lulz : "On 15 July 2016, a coup d'état was attempted in Turkey against state institutions, including the government and President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan.[38] The attempt was carried out by a faction within the Turkish Armed Forces that organized themselves as the Peace at Home Council." << so totally not organized by the same desperate & dying pantsuited hilarity dept of state faction that al
asciilifeform: 'credibility in the international arena' << lol!!
mircea_popescu: because they're mentally twleve, and because their "city on a hill" has been going downhill ever since slash they took over, whenever that was. in 1920, for all the diff it makes.
asciilifeform: reads like straight nuland
mircea_popescu: and for a twelve year old GIRL, the "i know you are but what am i!" "strategy" is all the world.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because it ~is.
mircea_popescu: "Gülen has suggested the coup was in fact a "self-coup" carried out by Erdoğan to consolidate his grip on power, a belief shared among some analysts and many Turks." ie, "by many '''analystis'''' and no turks".
mircea_popescu: ah this had been entertaining.
asciilifeform: lol turk trotsky
asciilifeform: ( wai no ice pick for him, wonder )
mircea_popescu: cuz ~nobody cares.
mircea_popescu: stalin and trotsky were butt buddies, yes ? with trotsky being the senior ?
asciilifeform: and even then t had to wait for 2 decades for his
mircea_popescu: icepicks come out when the erstwhile office boy takes over the floundering business, and the erstwhile owner's son, who fucked the office boy in all the holes much to the boy's submissive delight back in the day, moves on to better things.
mircea_popescu: can you form a notion of the feeling of loss ?
asciilifeform: ok model except for the 'better things' -- which better things exactly he went to? kakobreklaing in mexico sadly ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, i suppose morsi should also be mentioned in the list of "great diplomacy successes" of the hilarity era.
mircea_popescu: is he out of jail and "in pennsylvania" yet ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "if you are sultan come and lead your armies, and if i am sultan come and lead my armies".
mircea_popescu: guy went on to better things like murad -- opium.
mircea_popescu: men get old yes.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other lulz : /me just finished going through mubarak's "indictment". item is straight lift from !!!
a111: Logged on 2018-11-06 16:25 asciilifeform: reads like straight nuland
mircea_popescu: you'd think in the intervening decades they got some new material, these morons!
asciilifeform: i think i slept through that one; guillotined or notyet ?
mircea_popescu: iirc he died.
mircea_popescu: dood was OLD.
mircea_popescu: kept going back and forth re "corruption" and "embezzlement" etc.
asciilifeform: aaha nuland.corruption(tm)
mircea_popescu: "we need all the loot we can get" etc.
asciilifeform: what's even there for nulands to loot in egypt ? pyramids ?
asciilifeform: or is it simply the algo of weasel in chicken coop -- 1st kill errything, then decide if even hungry
mircea_popescu: actually egypt had been pretty successful under mubarak in the ceausescu vein ("non-chinese 20th century industry" sort of thing. like india now)_
mircea_popescu: so yes, egypt quite richer than the us.
mircea_popescu: by the algo "la household carrying mn in debt it can't service poorer in fact than ghana farmer with yearly surplus"
asciilifeform: ^ notbad likbez.
mircea_popescu: "The complexity of ASIC and FPGA designs has meant an increase in the number of specialist design consultants with specific tools and with their own libraries of macro and mega cells written in either VHDL or Verilog. As a result, it is important that designers know both VHDL and Verilog and that EDA tools vendors provide tools that provide an environment allowing both languages to be used in unison."
mircea_popescu: ummm....
mircea_popescu: wait, the infrastructure adapts to consultants ?
asciilifeform: skip the captatio, it has example proggy in ea.
mircea_popescu: "the relatively easy circumstances of life in paris as compared to the rural provinces has given rise to a class of vagrants (that'd be technically bums, as they do not seek to work) which makes it important that shopkeepers put out free food and there's a voting process so some of these can be given the key to the king's treasury periodically".
mircea_popescu: nigga... wut ?!
mircea_popescu: i don't care they call themselves "students", "intellectuals", "consultants", "public oppinion", "transsexuals" or anything else, jesus fuck.
asciilifeform: ( very sadly, there is not a vhdl eater for ice40. but when looking over subj 2w ago, i actually came to like vhdl, it's ~exactly ada syntax. )
mircea_popescu: the more i run into this "free and open society" the less i like it.
mircea_popescu: "Capability Hardware structure can be modeled equally effectively in both VHDL and Verilog. "
mircea_popescu: im sorry, i can't read this.
mircea_popescu: "The choice is not therefore based solely on technical capability but on: personal preferences "
mircea_popescu: fuck this dumb shit, this is not written by anyone i wish to have any dealings with. he can go pluck his "feelings" with the rest of the fetlife "dominates".
asciilifeform: + << the pertinent bit, flensed of the liquishit , for anyone who actually wants.
asciilifeform: ( vhdl in 1st, verilog in 2nd paste )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: Mocky's qatar reportage seems to suggest interesting hypothesis -- that can subtract 'flea and open society'(tm), and even 'aspirational class', and still have idjit deadend camelfuckistan in the sum register
mircea_popescu: i thought i told you as much multiply previously.
mircea_popescu: the whole usgistan thing is a ~necessary~ solvent for the otherwise even-more-imbecile "nation of kings" bullshit.
asciilifeform: but experimental data confirms!1
asciilifeform: 'nation of kings' ?
mircea_popescu still can't forget, during his visit in a troglodyte "best part of" nicaragua, how the socialist party organized event centerpiece was some moron singing "con dinero o sin dinery yo siguo siendo el rey" bla bla bla
mircea_popescu: 100% "monogamy is god-given because even morons like me should have access to cunt" style offensive nonsense
asciilifeform: 'Con dinero y sin dinero yo hago siempre lo que quiero y mi palabra es la ley' << bahaha srsly?!
mircea_popescu: yuou know ?
mircea_popescu: fucking morons, sitting around in un-plumbed fecal swamp, malnourished children playing with visibly rabid dogs...
mircea_popescu: meanwhil "No tengo trono ni reina ni nadie que me comprenda pero sigo siendoel rey."
asciilifeform: good climate -- worse than pb in water.
mircea_popescu: kings in their own fucking head, that must be craked open for the goop to get out.
mircea_popescu: so, yes. socialism necessary stage. parthenogenesis follows orthogenesis, and vice versa, and yes for a stage in kids life there's need for socialist mother-led environment. and for peoples, too.
asciilifeform: 'napoleon in asylum' joke used to be a staple, but i noticed i dun see it often any moar
asciilifeform: became , seems , the norm.
asciilifeform: lotsa napoleons walking about freely.
mircea_popescu: but that also comes to an end. like weaning, child has to confront the switch at some point, where he goes from being fed for existence and repressed by capacity to the exact opposite : being repressed for existence and fed by capacity.
mircea_popescu: cuz that's the mystery here, mom discourages the more active, smarter, better kids. and feeds the shitiest most. dun matter if she's a sow, pushing the better kids away from her tit with foreleg so the runts can also get some, or mother inca.
asciilifeform: does sow actually do this ?
mircea_popescu: whereas in actual human society, the EXACT reverse must be applied -- under penalty of undergoing the us transition, from republic to shithole.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform all mammals. but yes.
asciilifeform: dunno re sows, but at least legendarily e.g. wolf does opposite
asciilifeform: she-wolf sets the pups to fight
mircea_popescu: and your mom told your brother "don't beat him, don't you see how uselessly helpless he is ?!" as opposed to the adult "fuck him, if he can't defend himself it's your duty to cull his dumbass."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform afaik mostly legend.
asciilifeform never worked with wolf, cannot meaningfully comment
mircea_popescu: im sure the mythological wolf does all sorts of hting. but the actual animal... slightly dumber racoon.
asciilifeform: wolf supposedly has all kinds of interesting features, can learn even basic tactics, flanking, how to fell moose ( some populations of wolf can do moose, others not ) iirc
asciilifeform: but my depth in subj is limited.
mircea_popescu: wolf definitely has tactics
mircea_popescu: imo (at least ones i've seen) more tactically competent than us army platoon (similarily)
asciilifeform: wolf learns from mistakes, which puts him above u.s. general staff imho
mircea_popescu: that'd be strategy. platoons generally are you know, a dozen or two rural yahoos and a coupla staff sargeants
asciilifeform: << 'don bigote ! no mata el perro!'
a111: Logged on 2018-11-06 18:16 mircea_popescu: fucking morons, sitting around in un-plumbed fecal swamp, malnourished children playing with visibly rabid dogs...
BingoBoingo: And if you do put them into a plumbed "modern city" you get Buenos Aires or Montevideo
asciilifeform: raccoon -- crazy-smart , for a vermin, knows what a door is, knows sound of rifle bolt, even (i shit thee not) will defuse traps with sticks etc
asciilifeform: ( interestingly, there's precisely 1 kind of trap that worx on him -- iron tube filled with bait, and trigger requires ~pull~, rather than push, he cannot pull with stick, ends up scooping it with bait an' pulling )
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo exactly.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha. avg racoon smarter than most people.
asciilifeform: astonishingly strong, too -- chain the tube to a fence, and some % of the time he'll walk away with the fence plank + tube
mircea_popescu: chimp thread all over again -- you gain something for denser packed muscle fiber w/o the human innervation
asciilifeform: when caught in ordinary bear trap, where he can get lever purchase, he'll... open it
BingoBoingo: In unsurprises as Uruguay's legislature debates letting US warplanes chill at Carrasco for the G20 summit... The party favoring US Troops is the Socialist Fat Forehead party. The Party opposing is the Partido Nacional (or blancos, the rough Uruguayo GOP equivalent)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: say they were to vote 'nope' -- and usg wants parking spot anyway. with what they will shoot'em ? that 18th spanish cannon on the pit bull beach ?
BingoBoingo: They prolly ask Venezuala to sink an aircraft carrier
asciilifeform: ... or maybe with that mig9 rusting sadly in airport ?
asciilifeform: on subj of venezuela, BingoBoingo how's that chix these dayz
BingoBoingo: Still working on extracting her elders
mircea_popescu: and in the process eldering every day...
BingoBoingo: None of the vehicles in the six car garage work for a want of parts
BingoBoingo: And fluids
BingoBoingo: Apparently transmission fluid can't be had at any price
asciilifeform: mega-petrostan, that can't make hydraulic fluid
BingoBoingo: Their oil is thick, very heavy stuff
BingoBoingo: They have to import cutting agents to pipe it
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile over here a lot of the longer shelf life imported items in Tienda Inglesa and Devoto have stickers with the local mandatory information stuck on labels printed for the Venezualan market
BingoBoingo: Apparently it isn't just the peanut butter
asciilifeform was quite impressed with 'tienda inglesa' : better stocked than 95% of american shops
asciilifeform: in other lulz, google's shitmail login pg no longer worx without js.
deedbot: << Qntra - Venezuala Continuing Gold Repatriation Efforts Despite British And USG Obsctruction
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: venezuela
BingoBoingo: ty, fxd
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
deedbot: << Loper OS - Hypertext Concordance for Finite Field Arithmetic.
asciilifeform: jurov i was gonna link to your lxr ( which i've used 9000 times in all trb work ) as example of why ^ , but it seems to be down
asciilifeform: btw in case other folx ( diana_coman ? ) want to make these for ~their~ proggies, process is pretty simple :
asciilifeform: 1) build whole project, so that the .ali intermediate crud is present
phf: asciilifeform: can link to btcbase no?
asciilifeform: phf: it aint the same at all!
asciilifeform: lxr had full clickable concordance for all subcomponents, some basic comprehension of cppism (e.g. 'where defined class'), and search.
asciilifeform: 2) cd ffa/ffacalc ; -l1 -f -D -I obj -I ../libffa -I ../libffa/obj -p ffa_calc.adp ffa_calc.adb
phf: aah, yes, i remember. i had some rudimentary support for that worked on, but never got to cleaning it up (mostly requires reading through colorize's code, to figure out how to hook into their tokenizer)
asciilifeform: 3) -l1 turns on line numbering; -I adds paths to the libraryisms ; -p takes a file containing src_dir=. gpr_file=ffa_calc.gpr .
asciilifeform: that's all.
asciilifeform: phf: if it were simply 'colorizer' i wouldn't bother.
asciilifeform: i can live without colorized src. but really readers oughta be able to click on a token and see where it is defined.
asciilifeform: ( ideally also ~where used~, but gnathtml does not give this . )
phf: well, no, colorize, when it does its colorizing, has to know a bit about identifiers and tokens and such. so hooking in this case involves getting some information from colorize that says "i got an identifier FOO, give me back a link to where it should link"
asciilifeform: i think phf grasps what i was talking about.
phf: simplest form of "link to where" can be essentially a grep through all the files (which i think is how lxr used to do it)
phf: since that will show you both where defined and where used. a bit less "smart" than gnathtml, but possibly more useful
asciilifeform: phf: the default view ( ) of gnathtml gives you a frames thing with ~worthless alphabetic index in the left pane. really it oughta show 'where currently clicked symbol used' imho
asciilifeform: phf: it's definitely not perfect, e.g. why the FUCK is FFA_FZ_ZeroP not clickable ?
asciilifeform: but beats the shit out of hand-grep imho.
asciilifeform: ( it's not ~completely~ fucktarded, all of ffa is still reachable via . but still frustrating )
asciilifeform: hover text ( and not of .ads, but of actual definition ) would be nice too.
asciilifeform: ultimately also would want individual tokens to be linkable, a la lxr .
asciilifeform: ( right nao i cannot link to, e.g., FZ_Add , only to line # offsets into .adb/.ads )
BingoBoingo: And in other not surprises, the blue wave meme is dying.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what was this
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The mid term election fantasy where Trump loses both houses of the legislature.
BingoBoingo: I managed to wrassle US cable news onto the wall
BingoBoingo: Notably the blue party is under performing in Miami
asciilifeform can't muster excitement for the coke-vs-pepsi tourney
BingoBoingo: Never went down to the Pony track?
asciilifeform: can't say i have
asciilifeform: played shitoshidice 1ce tho!
BingoBoingo had to kil the fox news stream, they overcorrected avoiding haetspeak
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