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mircea_popescu: trinque sweet.
mircea_popescu: maybe you should spend more time watching gangbangers exsangvinate.
mircea_popescu: << epic re-read. and yes, very much going back to religious supression, it's called "feminism", and it "liberates" women. from "rape" and "the male gaze" and things.
ave1: !Q later tell phf, I've been running some tests on my system and it could be that an earlier step failed to install the header files correctly, could you run these commands and send me the output?
lobbesbot: ave1: The operation succeeded.
ave1: I'm also installing debian 8.10 to see if I can find anything (Spyked had a similar problem a while back but then he retried the script on another system so we never went deeper into this problem)
a111: Logged on 2018-09-23 00:51 trinque: asciilifeform: funny enough, I end up at the ER waiting room (friend has ectopic pregnancy), and all I see sitting here are hooker-escorted-cops coming and going.
asciilifeform: << mircea_popescu had a pretty great 'armless plumber' piece (where was it..)
a111: Logged on 2018-09-23 01:10 trinque: inb4 "it's unfair to choose your own hooker, must select at random"
a111: Logged on 2018-09-23 01:17 trinque: ahaha, and in this scene, I get the cuntoo profile thing solved.
BingoBoingo: So Friday night 19 year old kid was struck by a car 2 blocks away from my bed in an act the competent authorities are pinning on "street racers". So the question is "Wat do?"
BingoBoingo: Wat do? Leads to a heavy presence of traffic police on foot wearing their yellow vests and covering about a quarter block area immediately around where the crash was the night before.
BingoBoingo: The road in question is the Rambla (not to be confused with The Rambla, the major coastal walk way next to the road where locals sit on grass and hit their Mate crack pipes) which is the closest thing the city has to a freeway.
BingoBoingo: Imagine my surprise walking past and not seeing a single assault rifle or submachine gun among the group given the way the local police arm themselves for other occasions.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: do they ever even fire them broomstix? not such big town that you couldnt hear it, i imagine ?
BingoBoingo: Flock of traffic police in yellow vests in a crowd size that routinely gets Aloha Snackbarred in Europe expected to confront motor vehicles while less imposingly armed than daytime ATM cops
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They don't fire them anywhere near me. Further north and east recently they have gotten into at least one firefight according to the local papers, but hard tell what the police fired
BingoBoingo: There were injuries among the police and "Prosegur" private security folks involved. Casualties among the bank robbers less certain.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: sounds like 'own goal', ameri-style
BingoBoingo: Not at all unlikely
BingoBoingo: Tambien the visibility of the "Special Forces Police" has gone up as well. They Ride around in pairs on big Kawasaki adventure motocicletas or drive around in pairs in small SUV's with anti brick mesh over the windows. I have never actually seen them moving, They just seem to park at corners and sit to be visible
trinque: aaaand cuntoo rebuilt (emerge -aev @world) using only cuntoo ebuilds
trinque: no remaining blockers for first release
trinque: << took some tube on one side, but other side's fine. minimal blood loss, chick's doing great.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-23 14:29 asciilifeform: << ugh.. did they amputate ?
trinque: << I wrote a profile flattener which would walk the profile tree and concat all the config files. sadly, the rules by which a parent's configs are applied to the child are neither of parent-wins or child-wins. it appears that mask and force interact in a more complicated way that I've yet to fully load into skull
a111: Logged on 2018-09-23 14:36 asciilifeform: << what was the orig puzzler ?
trinque: what I've done instead is slurped out just the profiles used, without concatenating. this fits with my strategy of the genesis patch being as close to "what was found" as possible, with only machine transformations involved in the leap from gentoo to cuntoo
trinque: I can next hand-craft a descendent patch for a similar "tmsr" base profile, and torch all the rest
asciilifeform: meanwhile in vintage 'man-alones', >> dead.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-29 22:36 asciilifeform: << lelz, apparently funkenstein made his own chan, a while ago, complete with logs, bots, etc.
asciilifeform: trinque: neato. and asciilifeform loox forward to test.
mod6: #metoo
mod6: how goes mircea_popescu?
mircea_popescu: << thinking about it, there's actually a LOT of societal change underway. take fetlife : it consists, as far as identifiable human life is concerned, of one dude who made some money (usuaully, "tech", which is to say computers -- but as girl points out, "i also know a lot of computer geeks who have no money ; ie, "ILLEGAL" computers) who have a cunt that's looking for another cunt. be
a111: Logged on 2018-09-23 14:29 asciilifeform: << ugh.. did they amputate ?
mircea_popescu: cause god damn it, who the fuck is gonna get "married" and "monogamy" ? harem or get lost, the social choices are asexual wankerism for the govt-supported and harem for the miscolred bits crowd. that's it and that's all, the 1970 "new york of trades" where "every man" house, wife, children, etc (cher's moonstruck a fine example of this utopia as ever can be had) utterly disappeared sometime since america ended.
mircea_popescu: and i don't think there is a SINGLE cop anywhere in the us who isn't either a) completely braindamaged, "i pray every day i manage to get through the day without fucking up massively, like, losing my gun in some bushes because i shat myself hearing gunfire" a la j c reilly in magnolia)
mircea_popescu: or else exactly this b), "i got a harem of whores on the quiet". and this b is maybe 60% of the "force", really.
mircea_popescu: the ~reason~ every study finds that whores with pimps are doing 20-50% better than solo artists is PRECISELY that 70-80% of the "pimps" (ie, the men in these women's lives, that they navigate around and anchor their life on / center their affect on) are cops.
mircea_popescu: mod6 goes great!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc you spent some yrs in egypt; what % of chix wouldja say were parked in harems ( of arity >= 2 , lol )
mircea_popescu: foregoing leaving me with the conclusion that chicks who don't want to lindsey kuper / (ie, be the house mother of a bunch of tards, either cockless males online or else dubious junkies offline)
mircea_popescu: are stuck either b) joining a herd of similarly cunted followers of a great man or else c) convincingly telling themselves they don't have sexual parts.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform all with sexual value above epsilon.
mircea_popescu: !!key Zdenko
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asciilifeform: lol, picture thread, a: 'what % of what they ate was meat, mircea_popescu ' m : 'all with nutritive value > epsilon, was in my fridge !'
mircea_popescu: not in my fridge! i was personally tolerated (with my "harem of one") among a select crowd of upwardly mobile, english speaking, "tryna make something of this shithole" young males.
mircea_popescu: the ones who won out of the "go to the center of businessmen, pay for dialup modem by hour, write love letters to fat white women, get them to come over with money, build house at euro standards for tourist trade" lottery.
mod6: haha
asciilifeform read recently a description of this egypt, from a ru chix pov
asciilifeform: went, roughly, 'yes i can have anyffing i want here, but they're fucking subhuman'
mircea_popescu: now, it's true that the ovine set (because yes, every harem stratified, not "all womenz alike" bs exists in there), so there IS a portion that can't think but breastfeed ok had 0 problem doing it right in front of me, evne though as much as walking into the girls' subway cart was a major big fucking deal.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-23 01:10 trinque: inb4 "it's unfair to choose your own hooker, must select at random"
mircea_popescu: and it's also true the yet unwed fillies were very flattered by strange requests like "gimme the pin that's holding up your hiqab, i wanna pierce this bottle of super glue".
mircea_popescu: HOWEVER, loads and loads and LOADS of 30yo males without property were spending 24/7 trying to figure out how to use me to clean the shit of failure offa themselves.
asciilifeform: lol! orcistani glue dun have pointy caps?!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform her arabic is poor. they're not subhuman, they just don't know what she knows./
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform see ?
mircea_popescu: read more arabic poetry ; understand more of the locals.
asciilifeform on the beginning leg of a Mocky-inspired arabic kick , incidentally
mircea_popescu: the one overpoweringly important question sitting at the cornerstone of all learning,
mircea_popescu: is whether one does it to "it turns out i was right" or whether the one does it to "well, little wonder i lost myself, there wasn't much there to lose in the first place".
mircea_popescu: the former is how erudition without girlfriends is managed by the sort of people who "i spent 30 years in china still don't have local whores ready to be turned out for love".
mircea_popescu: i met some of these.
asciilifeform: i'm going from a very vintage brit b00k, with very flavourful examples, e.g. 'donkey is poor man's horse', 'i killed the man whose uncle killed my father', 'to be killed is the noblest death', etc in this spirit
mircea_popescu: honestly i subscribe to the latter.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck can possibly think so much of shits that "died in their bed" ?
mircea_popescu: "you know what ? so did your unborn brother -- died in your mother's bed"
asciilifeform: 'die not the straw death!'(tm)(r)(odin)
asciilifeform: one of those things sane folx seem to come to agreement in.
mircea_popescu: "house mother" being, of course, the term of art -- the matron of ye olde brothel, this big fat older woman.
mircea_popescu: anyway, russian (at least as far as classical ru cultuer goes) chick is possibly the LEAST capable of making the jump. most demanding of manliness in the mate female out there, "you know what ? ima go be this guy's whore, get lost loser" QUITE the open possibility even walkin' down the street.
mircea_popescu: so no, i don't expect she'd easily manage a moscow-cairo resettlement on her own steam.
asciilifeform: is how they end up in camelfuckistan to begin with, neh.
mircea_popescu: well... i dunno. she wants a tall blond white guy (arabs are short olive darkhaired) who can jump on a fleeing horse and drink with her (arabs can't drink) and gets fucking furious on a dime (arabs are much mellower, they get fucking enraged, but it takes them more than 800ms).
mircea_popescu: these are the sticky points, roughly.
asciilifeform: whoknows, could be -- wanted chechen, but her compass was broken, lol
mircea_popescu: nah, see, problems with chechek is that she ALSO wants guy who reliably rapes the system/police/hermother.
mircea_popescu: and while this can be had in both moscow and cairo, it can't be fucking had in orcland. though she'll confusingly not call this, the only true subhumanity, "subhuman", more like "they're fuckingstupid, like children"
mircea_popescu: but they are NOT like children, they are like morons. that her inner uvula tingle proposes that "boy who drinks and rides will grow into landruler" dun mean it's how it actually goes.
asciilifeform: 'not all that glitters' etc
mircea_popescu: or tingles, as the case may be. yes/
asciilifeform: << they actually select for this, somewhat, by hiring ~100% iraq tour
a111: Logged on 2018-09-23 16:02 mircea_popescu: and i don't think there is a SINGLE cop anywhere in the us who isn't either a) completely braindamaged, "i pray every day i manage to get through the day without fucking up massively, like, losing my gun in some bushes because i shat myself hearing gunfire" a la j c reilly in magnolia)
asciilifeform: ( the days when general-purpose jobless d00d could sign up in ameri-police, are long gone )
mircea_popescu: that's the amusing part of the human body : if you can tickle her, she's not aroused, same pathway serves both and it'd be blocked. lots and lots and LOTS of this multi-use, switched single wiring in the human body. as a for instance, the "not all that tingles" signal for "don't end up with a loser" and "not all that tingles" signal for "downregulate libido in general" is the same pathway in womenz.
asciilifeform: hey, critter that shares air hole with food hole also double-wires nerves, noose at 11..
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha, it's well on its way to becoming the ruling caste of the sovietistan of america. much like in ye other one, really.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and pee hole with delicious filling hole.
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform to pet, 'hey, which lips we feed first ?' )
trinque: lol
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in fetlulz, i neartly fell out of my chair, because after roughly 5k complaints "i can't read the subject line", in came one saying "oh, wait, i flipped my phone over now i see it"
mircea_popescu: holy shit almighty.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aint they supposed to be self-flipping naodays?
mircea_popescu: !!key zdeni82_
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trinque often to staff, "lets flap food holes for a while on this" to prompt switch to phone
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have nfi. but if the problem isn't that the site's just broken, and cuts off subjects as a token of "great web ux", but rather they're just universally TOO FUCKING STUPID TO FLIP THEIR PHONES....
mircea_popescu: sometimes i suspect the imbecility of the average walker is not sufficiently understood.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can only guess, the patients haven't bought that dinnerplate-sized ipnoje yet
trinque: their lives are sufficiently cushioned (and brains sufficiently trained for such) that encountering $unexpected means obviously someone else is an idiot.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-14 15:24 asciilifeform: 'the only intuitive notation is the tit' or how did it go.
asciilifeform: trinque: somehow! e.g. phuctor, displays on vert- and horiz- pnoje, vga, whatever.
trinque: follows then that the whole world has been turned into tits
mircea_popescu: here, in memory of trinque's saying, some free lulz :
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nao i gotta ask, how is that hollow 'fuck plug' used
asciilifeform: is it 'adapter' to fit chinese cocks, or wat
mircea_popescu: i imagine underwater torpedo tube sold separately ?
mircea_popescu: (most women fail to get aroused with plastic only ; in unaroused women, the uterus head hurts when pounded [see above sicussion] ; therefore... why not fix the not-problem part of the problem)
asciilifeform: that thing. i think my engine is mounted on something quite similar, wonder if clever repurpose.
mircea_popescu: entirely possible.
mircea_popescu: it is, after all, "the engine".
trinque: "Made of thick, smooth silicone, the TUNNEL fuckplug is our finest hole spreader yet. The TUNNEL is everything you love about the PIGHOLE but???new, improved, and even nastier." <<
mircea_popescu: as per the famous ro "ma, tancu' are motor ?"
trinque: apparently yes, tiny cock adapter
asciilifeform: PIGHOLE! they stoal asciilifeform's next product name!1111
mircea_popescu: (for the non-native speaker, homophonous with "mata-n cur are motor ?")
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sowage. ballsick. we'll never run out.
asciilifeform: i'ma not be surprised if that chix mircea_popescu sent to fetch toy catalogue, returns with 'auto-trek' parts book.
mircea_popescu: in which lulz : took new girl to strip club and then brothel yest. strip club charged me $75 in cover, notwithstanding i brought the hottest girl there, by a fat margin. so while we sit and drink through our included drinks, i see, wonders of wonders, a girl's feet off the ground for once. first time in this country. she even did a bit of floor work! totally, for cr standards tango india vip is utterly happening.
mircea_popescu: more disinterested girls you never saw, even at starbucks ; eventually the pit boss had to send a couple of the perfunctory shitheads to sit at our table, whom i waved off to their great excitement (how wonderful! now we can just say we checked the tickbox and don't have to do anything! there's nothing anyone can do, we tried!).
mircea_popescu: all around, fat computer geeks holding on to their beers.
mircea_popescu: then, at the brothel, a hundred or so chicks you wouldn't fuck, on parade. "why is everyone here speaking english ?!"
asciilifeform: i take it this wasn't in the anglo-greenzone, either ( why would mircea_popescu go there )
mircea_popescu: a few retirees on evidently fixed incomes. i can't imagine who the fuck would let them in, they want to nurse a beer while some hottie holds their thigh, it looks WAY too much like retirement home services for comfort.
mircea_popescu: but the bulk... fat computer geeks holding on to their beers.
mircea_popescu: to wind down this lengthy story : i can fucking see why there's a market for cocksleeves.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: gotta ask, how didja know they weren't fat accountants
mircea_popescu: there's this particular air of confusion lots of exceljava leaves on the eyes. sort-of like in an aquarium nobody ever cleans.
mircea_popescu: !!key zdeni82_
asciilifeform: !#s go gauge
mircea_popescu: << pretty much what they do downtown here also. it discourages the drunks/junkies from grabbing purses/pestering the ever-dwindling rich white people seeking a little thrill.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-23 15:18 BingoBoingo: Tambien the visibility of the "Special Forces Police" has gone up as well. They Ride around in pairs on big Kawasaki adventure motocicletas or drive around in pairs in small SUV's with anti brick mesh over the windows. I have never actually seen them moving, They just seem to park at corners and sit to be visible
mircea_popescu: (downtown san jose is very much what'd count as lafond's baltimore in the states -- very cheap flophouses, very cheap bars, unattended garbage, girls sleeping six to a bed, all that good stuff)
asciilifeform: i'd expect ~= bmore, yes, except with 100 pound, rather than 300 , gulz, and with human not monkey faces, yes
asciilifeform: ( some time mircea_popescu equip that uboat and visit bmore, will see what i mean )
mircea_popescu: junkies are the same junkies everywhere.
mircea_popescu: this is, after all, the fucking point. they take the stuff to be less like themselves, yes.
mircea_popescu: "men may be different, but all drunks are the same" or how did that bartender joke go
asciilifeform: as i understand, dopes come with - and + 'charge', e.g. meth aficionados become 'moar' like selves
mircea_popescu: really ? i never saw this.
a111: Logged on 2014-08-25 03:08 asciilifeform: busy as a bee << funny that they show an idiot sow scrubbing, and not, e.g, paul erdos crapping out theorems
mircea_popescu: methheads eminently similar.
asciilifeform: superficially similar
mircea_popescu: oh, deep down ?
asciilifeform: 100% similar ~to each other~, no shit, same starting qty, same sum
mircea_popescu: well so then.
asciilifeform: meant, result is sorta like adding jet to toyota. start with tin can that went slowly but maybe had working steering, end with rocket that goes to nearest wall.
mircea_popescu: i guess. from observation, it is somewhat difficult to distinguish specific talent in girls. i do this professionally, so to speak, and spend a lot of time/resources on it.
mircea_popescu: it is comparatiovely very easy to notice junkie.
mircea_popescu: whether great general or humble accountant, whether sohrab or nameless coward, takes some teasing out. but whether habit or not habit, evident at first sight even to the pigs/social workers.
asciilifeform: out of curiosity, is it also easy to distinguish junkie when the latter has its fix ?
asciilifeform: ( think herman goering, rather than gabriel_laddel )
mircea_popescu: well... but i mean, what. speed freak on speed ? yes, evident. heroin addict on heroin ? yes fucking evident. cokehead ? yes.
asciilifeform: ( or -- is 'junkie' ~definitionally~ addict who lacks his fix )
mircea_popescu: no, junkie is definitionally... actually, there's a great film, in which al pacino is "about to quit, he's jsut chippin' anyway" and his brother tells his gf he ain't chippin, he's a user.
asciilifeform: just how numerous are 'addict WITH fix' anyway
mircea_popescu: junkie is definitionally the drug user whose drug habit has produced biological changes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, all addicts get a fix now and again or else cold turkey out of it.
asciilifeform: iirc gabriel_laddel claimed to have gone yrs without fix, but still pined for it
mircea_popescu: and years without a girl, still pined also. what's pinery to do with anything
asciilifeform: rright, iirc the shrinks seem to distinguish 'bio' addict from 'mental' one
asciilifeform: ( and the q is, who counts as addict. and does def then include e.g. thyroid patient, and chix on bc pillz )
mircea_popescu: anyway, the junkie's like the "pleabargained" felon or the married man : refuse, used up. he's got his children to take care of and a certain investment, no longer apt of being part of human society. problem.
mircea_popescu: junkie != addict. the term denotes a specific thing.
mircea_popescu: approximately same relationship between junkie and addiction as between perdition and sin.
ave1: phf,, I've tried on debian and I can reproduce the problem, Unfortunately I have no solution yet (it will probably be a patch). It seems the default/internal gcc spec defines "-isystem /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu
a111: Logged on 2018-09-23 10:30 ave1: !Q later tell phf, I've been running some tests on my system and it could be that an earlier step failed to install the header files correctly, could you run these commands and send me the output?
ave1: "
ave1: and debian / ubuntu systems have this directory, and as it is an -isystem def it will be used before the -isystem given at the command prompt.
ave1: I'll work on a fix this week
mircea_popescu: check them out, hardcoded configs!
asciilifeform: ave1: '-isystem' dun happen in other heathen gcc ??
asciilifeform: ( or how else to explain that the recipe worx errywhere i've tried it )
ave1: it's in gcc 4.9.4 for sure
ave1: other systems do not have /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu
asciilifeform: errywhere i tried it, i built 1st stage on adacore's gnat, which iirc is 4.9.4
mircea_popescu: see the subtle beauty of it ?
asciilifeform: ave1: nope, /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu exists in trad gentoo as well (on e.g. dulap)
asciilifeform: and builder -- built.
mircea_popescu: << hard out there for a pimp, when he trynna make his naive notions stick...
a111: Logged on 2018-09-23 15:38 asciilifeform: meanwhile in vintage 'man-alones', >> dead.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and for all i know, perished aeons ago, i simply happened to walk the vintage l0g today
ave1: I'll then have to check how gcc sorts the -isystem arguments
mircea_popescu: ave1 entirely poissible trinque 's right, ~random order.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for extra bonus lulz, the d00d still hangs in kako's chan, and talks, and as if his world never died, somehow
mircea_popescu: "works sometimes" sorta result.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform very insidious, this "you can imagine a world for yourself to live in". will take just as much as you got to give. i suppose it should be the fourth rider of apocalypse -- junkies, pleabargains, husbands and tulpas.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: all of these, 1 horse, really
asciilifeform: perhaps 4 legs of it, if you like
asciilifeform: ( some folx never got the memo, that if you imagine world but dun lift a finger to build, the folx in white coats show up eventually )
mircea_popescu: the key's not "lift finger to build", but rather "alter design on basis of reports from builders".
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in trilema spelunkology, anyone recall ?
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not only remember, but there was a 2nd part, 'adult woman'
phf: ave1: thank you for investigation, i've gotten as far myself. there's an implicit global isystem that gets placed ahead of whatever isystem's you pass on command line. i've tried a variety of flags (e.g. --nostdinc), but didn't find the right combination yet. (the other way to discover it instead of using strace is to run the cpp -v command instead with most of the same arguments)
lobbesbot: phf: Sent 9 hours ago: <ave1> been running some tests on my system and it could be that an earlier step failed to install the header files correctly, could you run these commands and send me the output?
mod6: jurov: plz to check and see if my msg to the ML is stuck in the pipes. thanks in advance.
mod6: ben_vulpes: plz to bring back mimi to #pizarro for logging
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mod6: meanwhile, I've just dropped the thing on my website:
mircea_popescu: also meanwhile in : dood's still active (mostly, doing music now). and also @merkley "If you don't hate who I hate then you are hateful and I hate you." - Twitter 2018
mircea_popescu: << pretty great fucking sendoff, too. "Merkley??? spent a little over a decade with photoshop, naked people, pets and groceries and this is part of what came of it all. When the Kardashians and instagram hit the scene, he sorta lost interest in superficial physical beauty. I think you know what that's all about."
mircea_popescu: dude was in point of fact doing the whole instagram scene, by himself, AND BETTER, a decade earlier.
mircea_popescu: somehow instagram doesn't feel obligated to always prefix anything they do or say with "you know, we're the shitty merkley??? clone" though.
mircea_popescu: they should be -- anything else is fucking fascism.
asciilifeform: << this reminds me of an item i had on chalkboard but never had a chance to actually bake -- a running log of where/when (ip, remote ver, time) noad got each incoming candidate block .
a111: Logged on 2018-09-23 19:44 mod6: meanwhile, I've just dropped the thing on my website:
mircea_popescu: pretty useful.
asciilifeform: i suspect the experiment would quickly reveal where actual blox come from, and from where -- all rubbish, 24/7/365
asciilifeform: ... and give clue re the ~troo~ size of the btc net
asciilifeform: would also be interesting to log chain splittage in real time, but this is luxury.
asciilifeform: << the chix threaded onto a kitchen faucet -- is genius
a111: Logged on 2018-09-23 20:53 mircea_popescu: also meanwhile in : dood's still active (mostly, doing music now). and also @merkley "If you don't hate who I hate then you are hateful and I hate you." - Twitter 2018
asciilifeform: << i dun expect there'll be much disagreement, but imho hardcoded paths (to anyffing) Must Die ( naturally wont help folx building on heathen gcc, but speaking of our cemented one )
a111: Logged on 2018-09-23 19:31 phf: ave1: thank you for investigation, i've gotten as far myself. there's an implicit global isystem that gets placed ahead of whatever isystem's you pass on command line. i've tried a variety of flags (e.g. --nostdinc), but didn't find the right combination yet. (the other way to discover it instead of using strace is to run the cpp -v command instead with most of the same arguments)
asciilifeform: ... and prolly a necessary pre-req to stripping support for dynamic linkage entirely
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform's main hesitation re subj is how to avoid losing e.g. gprof, on box where 0 dynamics. but this is prolly solvable, somehow )
mircea_popescu: guy was pretty good, yeah. moreover, and importantly -- while his best always was over instagram's best, his EVERY ITEM was always above threshold. whereas instagram's AVERAGE item is always below threshold.
asciilifeform: actual artist beats shit out of fungus, noose at 11..
mircea_popescu: this is a much more fucking important consideration that ever considered, specifically because of the line.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 14:27 mircea_popescu: there is no, strictly speaking, reason that iron MUST be provided on the surface of a planet just like the earth. it ~could~, very well, have simply gone through a place poor in planetoids and ended up entirely iron free on the surface. but it did not.
mircea_popescu: the fact that ~every~ item you look at will turn out to have been ~worth~ looking at is overpowering -- because it makes a life of the mind accessible to much more people.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: good chunk of planet3 lacks easy iron. hence aztec etc. dead end people.
mircea_popescu: as it stands right now, i and i alone, with the thin sliver of others who presumably exist and presumably can afford to sift through millions of fetlife tards can afford women.
mircea_popescu: if EVERY woman were in fact worth talking to, much more people could enjoy one.
mircea_popescu: but as they're few and far between, well... "transsexuals".
mircea_popescu: "i'm gay" "why ?" "because okcupid sucks and if i ask someone out at work they'll arrest me"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform precisely. and this supposedly "nascent" culture in our colonies died before it even fucking begun, drowned in this ever-giving gift of consumerism.
mircea_popescu: you know there's women out there, going through every single endless warehouse, feeling between thumb and index every single item of clothing ? years on end like this, never found anything yet.
asciilifeform: relatedly, last i saw ameristan has finally squandered the last of its 1 and only mineral monopoly (helium)
a111: Logged on 2018-08-13 16:54 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: about a decade ago, i bought, on a lark, a keychain thing that claimed to contain all of the text of the then-pediwikia, and had 'random' button. ~99+% of presses of this button, resulted in 'flyshit, montana'-type nowhere-village article.
mircea_popescu: the original reason encyclopedists were even a thing, in the 1800s, was that their product ~was worth reading~ in all cases. the ~entire use of an encyclopedia is for kids to open it randomly and read interesting things regardless.
asciilifeform: lol i still have that thing. lulzily, they were designed and built by a sort of lone wolf craftsman, thing actually runs a forth interpreter.
mircea_popescu: fail at this, the result is not worth the mention.
asciilifeform: theoretically repurposable into sumthing useful..
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform truebeliever manalone.
asciilifeform: as far as i can tell, dead
asciilifeform: ( the d00d, not the box, the box is by all indications indestructible )
asciilifeform: i wish i knew where he sourced the 1980s 200x100 passive lcd thing in it.
asciilifeform: runs on <1mA or around.
mircea_popescu: aaanyways, i will go on the record to say that the ENTIRE instagram ~culture~, which includes the website, the "content creators", the clones, the conference circlejerk and everything else is an inferior replacement of 90s merkley???
mircea_popescu: and if the latter was wortth maybe a few mn all told, the ENTREI instagram ~culture~ (again -- not just the site) is barely worth 10k.
mircea_popescu: which is eerily similar to what these shits ever sell on an open market, be it myspace, slashdot, or whatever else.
mircea_popescu: separated from the jews "doing great business together", the paintings accidentally destroyed by laundry women go back to their proper fishwrapping value.
asciilifeform: ( picture if the thing had shipped with an ~actual~ encyclopaedia ! )
mircea_popescu: looks ordinary enough...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but WHAT actual encyclopedia ? no actual men did no actual things in 70 years!
mircea_popescu: what'd be on it ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ahahaaha, see, but runs on pair of alkalines for ~decade. unlike the 'ordinary' lcd pocket boxen sold in pnoje shops etc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform now thing for a moment --- "random day of logs". suddenly...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'd settle for the dirigible-era encyclopaedia, if it comes to it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: or THAT!
mircea_popescu: i suppose i could sell random ro trilema page gizmo.
mircea_popescu: in that it's finished, it can be toyified.
mircea_popescu: problem with logs or en trilema is that is not yet finished.
asciilifeform: exactly : l0gz perhaps not best use case, because plentiful linkage to net
mircea_popescu: but see, THIS is why no old world encyclopedia no more.
mircea_popescu: because we've actually and for once "moved beyond that"
mircea_popescu: the log as it is is the log as it is is the log, as it is.
asciilifeform: at one time , pre-tmsr, i thought of reprogramming the thing to display naggum. but before ever got around to any such thing, finished reading all of him, turned out he was pretty small
asciilifeform: designer of 'reader' was pretty dumb in 1 way -- if he had made it simple to substitute in new text, thing could be best-seller to this day, imho
asciilifeform: ( e.g. hieroglyph learners, could push 'show me random hieroglyph', etc )
mircea_popescu: but see, truebeliever.
mircea_popescu: he wanted to use his skill to help what he thought was the republic flourish.
asciilifeform: dunno if that, or if simple failure of imagination, 'hmm, what text will folx read on a b&w lcd ? iknow, pediwikia'
mircea_popescu: sadly what he thought was the republic was the previous decade's reddit, "outgrowth of a pedo picture trading club"
asciilifeform: 'charlie was a chemist, but charlie is no moar, for what he thought was h2o, was h2so4'(tm)(r)
mircea_popescu: speaking of monstrosities like -- i suppose the deep driver of their unhappiness is precisely this, "1990s pedos made wikipedia seem like it's a big deal, and 2000s pedos made reddit seem like it's a big deal. why can't we 2010s pedos make lesswrong/whatever pedo trading post seem like it's a big deal ?!!? god only knows we're the gays of a century ago, god-gifted with the only creativ
a111: Logged on 2015-01-31 00:59 assbot: dgerard comments on The Emperor is Buttnaked (BTC block size discussion with Gavin) ... ( )
mircea_popescu: e genius evermore"
mircea_popescu: imo the proposed thought process completely explanatory of the entire menagerie.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 17:15 zx2c4: mircea_popescu: oh. so. "the world doesnt care about the cool hackers on the internet, but only the assholes with prestigious positions." this has been a widely known complaint for a long time
mircea_popescu: notreally. there's a "secret brotherhood", see ?
mircea_popescu: "cool hackers" means jack shit, what is it, kids trying to impress schoolmates ? menalone going their cool way ? what ?
mircea_popescu: it's one step towards republican awakening, sure, "use the fucking noggin". but it's not much by itself.
asciilifeform: i actually have nfi what specifically the zx2c4 d00d was speaking of.
asciilifeform: but pictured sumthing like this
mircea_popescu: whereas the thing with pedos is that they're one step further on the path -- "we have a BROTHERHOOD". pedophilia in the modern sense is a deeply communal activity -- the more people jacking off to the same videos of beheaded children, the more sustainable the activity of beheading childrten.
asciilifeform: lol some brotherhood, they havent even invented omerta
asciilifeform: ( and is the reason why usg likes to staff 'bitcoin phoundations' etc with pedos )
mircea_popescu: so ... "follow your own mind, irrespective of anything" PLUS "find others like you" creates... well, before tmsr, it created the only hot core of creation in the empire. hence wikipedia, hence reddit, and so on.
asciilifeform: !#s brock
mircea_popescu: "read some fucking history", ie, the holy logs, is arguably (at least, from an "expert"'s pov) the ~only innovation we bring.
asciilifeform: literacy, it's a thing, aha
mircea_popescu: it's eternaly fascinated, for the zoologist, what portions of the human become visible to the goats and when.
mircea_popescu: "oh, he's got shoes, that's what it is!"
asciilifeform: literacy is the only working defense against the thing, and is 'only a terrorist'(tm) 'would make logs'
a111: Logged on 2014-02-01 13:03 mircea_popescu: incidentally, this is how idiots like keiser work, too. all the obscure web "financial experts", or bet picking experts, or so on work on the same business model :
mircea_popescu: anyway, the "alt right" dorks have no genuine driver for community. the pedos gotta trade the pics, there's no way out of this, they'll commune. the "nazis" don't have the driver, which is why they don't manage to amount to much, and hence plaintive lulz all around.
mircea_popescu: i'm too lazy to dig up that twittertwat's lament recently linked.
asciilifeform: which in particular? there's '9000' ~indistinguishable ones
mircea_popescu: now i have to ;/
asciilifeform: the 'right', 'nazi', 'weev', etc , types , not even reached level where can discuss 'community', they're still seated firmly in the comfortable usg.provocateur 'right bottle of pepsi' theatre
a111: Logged on 2017-12-22 17:18 weevlos: trinque: we are a media publication. our power and capital comes from the number of visitors we have to the site. we aim to transform through culture. if normal people cannot visit our site we are not accomplishing our goal
asciilifeform: 'rezistenta prin cultura'(tm)(r)
mircea_popescu: meh can't fucking find it. some pantsuit-in-alt-colors prop derping about how unfair it is that his followers don't follow, and how much he spent having a security detail to eat sushi
asciilifeform: iirc the milo antonopolis d00d
asciilifeform: ( did some shilling for 'new, exciting' trump, then saw what summed to and went to the bottle )
mircea_popescu: nah, some "gamergate" dood.
asciilifeform: hm nfi then
asciilifeform: but there's, yes, 9000 laments like this
asciilifeform: 'what do you mean i was talking to /dev/null, where is my purpose nao!'
asciilifeform: with the opposite charge, but aha same basic particle
mircea_popescu: anyway, leaving behind the point -- there's a lot of frustration among "community organizers" (as the niggers prefer to call themselves) when they DO manage to community-organize and nothing fucking happens still.
mircea_popescu: "but teach, this is so unfair, those other guys didn't even do this much!" sorta complaints.
asciilifeform: 'spreading worked, but where is the eating!, reddit got to eat! we read it , on reddit'
asciilifeform: ( there was a related mircea_popescu piece re paulgraham et al, in re how they tried to cargocult-revive orig 'dotcom' bacchanalia )
mircea_popescu: so in short, what i'm working towards here, is that besides the elliot, who is the icon of the first pass, earnest and open, "salt of the earth" ustard, there's also
a111: Logged on 2018-09-16 03:07 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in about-as-interesting-as-usg lulz,
asciilifeform: the fundamental lul is that it is impossible to explain to such patient exactly why money printer spilled forth tonnes of luscious green for his predecessor but doesn't want to for him
mircea_popescu: that'd be the prototypical "community organizer" who is very angry not because, as elliot, "his birthright" of tall blond nubiles was denied him
asciilifeform: aaa ! him! that was the item upstack
mircea_popescu: but because his ~earned~ magic, of communityorganizing, failed to deliver the result printed on box.
asciilifeform: ( btw prior to reading the hambly link i had nfi that 'world', what to call it, existed )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform intel meanwhile located item :
asciilifeform: aa so ~was~ milo, lol
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> the 'right', 'nazi', 'weev', etc , types , not even reached level where can discuss 'community', they're still seated firmly in the comfortable usg.provocateur 'right bottle of pepsi' theatre << They also fall into the pulp "Laws of Power" fanfic things so every single one imagines themselves the BIGGEST, leaderest, etc
mircea_popescu: o damn, the "law of attraction" magix. not to be forgotten.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> nah, some "gamergate" dood. << That was Milo, did gamergate, tried to jump on the trump train as token jewish homosexual bragging about BBC trophies, that discovery of his audience free status
asciilifeform: in mostly unrelated lulz, there are apparently noads who shove a couple 100 MB (!) of bastard blox into a connected trb, prior to the latter throwing the ban switch ( because of the idjit shitoshi networking routine, actual disconnect happens a good 10-20sec after ban )
asciilifeform: prolly good candidate for a fyootoor pill
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in so far as i can tell, d00d was actually dumb enuff to believe that 'reddit right is a political force to be reckoned with' or somesuch
mircea_popescu: see, but this is precisely what i'm saying... "why is my community organizing not doing anything".
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I dunno he believed anything in particular
BingoBoingo: Milo was purely performative, like the Police Special Forces
mircea_popescu: the originally linked pedo, very similarly, "how could MY government not stopped bitcoin as i predicted by=yearly since 2012!!"
asciilifeform: 'i sat and preached to this pig sty for decade, whaddayamean pigs dun win elections'
mircea_popescu: and so on.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: from human pov, ~all~ of what these derps do is 'purely performative' -- rather like those ruminants whose horns are set at such angle that they can never actually ding one another
asciilifeform: but from their own eyes, naturally, 'mystery'
mircea_popescu: basically, the zek's model is elliot ; but the pantsuitklatura's model is hamby.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I mean as in the guy took acting classes, Hollywood didn't call back, decided to do the irony schtick for a buck. Only sligtly less human view.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: pretty typical, as i understand, for 'rear-wheel-drived' fellas ( btw i wonder what they're called in ro )
BingoBoingo: That's what his twitter/reddit "supporters" figured too when the maybe pedo thing broke
asciilifeform: or, moar recent example, the (gassed yet?) wilson d00d. apparently on top of the cnc thing, also made a 'hatreon', 'nazi' clone of patreon pantsuitism
asciilifeform: ( quite likely even what got him nominated for woodchipper, i can't picture anybody on either side giving half a shit re umpteenth micro-cnc )
asciilifeform: !#s hatereon
asciilifeform: ( erry bit as snoar as it sounds, iirc . but somewhat surprised that 0 log . )
BingoBoingo: Well, the derps who figured the pedo thing justified their demographic objections to Milo tend to be referring to Wilson's entrapmant as a such
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the usual reddit-idjit red herring. ( as if he ~had~ to fuck a 17.9 y.o. whore, to be put on assange list, and would somehow not have sufficed that he wore leather shoes, or maybe said unkind word re j00z, or torrented 'star wars ixxxv' or whatever )
mircea_popescu: (pro tip : cunt therein depicted is attached to 15yo)
asciilifeform: !#s crime of american
a111: 28 results for "crime of american",
asciilifeform: социалистическая законность (tm)(r) btw.
asciilifeform: ^ what they called this system in the old su.
asciilifeform: there's a reason they try to set up 'fucked 17yo' for these, it is a kind of gold standard, rather like the old 'trotskyite counter-revolutionary activity', tends to put a cork in all discussion in derposphere by harnessing the healthy hatred for podesta-style pedo, insta-alchemizes accusation into 'guilt', etc
mircea_popescu: possibru
asciilifeform: the unquenchable hatred of the elliots for d00d who had some sort of quasi-desirable sex somewhere , somehow , also , i suspect, helps
mircea_popescu: i can't imagine who'd seriously claim fucking teen's offensive ; but i can certainly see the schadenfreunde.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: who ? all the wizened derps, starting with that defrocked general, and all the way down to typical ameri-konsoomer, the one who gets to maybe see cuntlips when he's 'been good' to picket fence wife and bought her n-th house
asciilifeform: 'puritan ethic' or how did they call it.
mircea_popescu: i suppose.
mircea_popescu: you mean these are on social media ?
asciilifeform: castration cult rose up in old europistan, french, spanish, tried to stomp it out, failed, y'know the rest
asciilifeform: ( or if you like, castration cult rose up in rome, they tried to ddt, but... ) lol
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's the 1 thing ameritards all seem to agree on. gun, dope, 'illegal' finance, etc cases, sometimes jury nullifies. but 'fucked 17yo? 20 to life' seems to be solidly a-ok by typical ameri-idjit
asciilifeform: they see it as righteous dekulakization.
asciilifeform: i actually have a d00d, at the outer foggy reaches of my l2, who did 5y for 17yo.
asciilifeform: iirc jury deliberated for all of 10 seconds.
asciilifeform: in usa.
asciilifeform: !#s cracking the furry safe
asciilifeform: ^ su had ~similar article in penal code, and was called this by typical zeks.
trinque suspects the ritual is about avoiding sexual imprinting at a critical age
asciilifeform: trinque: well yes, gotta keep up the production of nedeflorenas somewhow
trinque: anyone who had clingy teenaged girlfriends growing up oughta have same data
asciilifeform: considering that usg apparatus runs ~100% on them at this point
trinque: then they can enter 20s hateful, emotionally damaged, etc
asciilifeform: trinque: aha, gotta clerk doj with these, they're primo material
asciilifeform: phunphakt, this is one of those 'national seekoority' things they claim extraterritoriality on -- fuck a 17.99999yo in paris, bang, you're assange
mircea_popescu: you know, ftr, the case there was under 17.
asciilifeform: was it ? i dun specifically recall.
asciilifeform: i dun see how the exact constant makes a practical diff tho
asciilifeform: ( wonder, does saudi subject lose his head if it gets out that he went to london and had a whiskey ? )
BingoBoingo: Anyways, because Bush and Obama buried it stands that Podesta just might get cuffed around the time of the 2020 Iowa primary
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: at this rate i fully expect that he, clitler, and the rest, will succumb to old age long before they see so much as a fine
BingoBoingo: What, after packing the courts and other appointables through 2019 old clown man isn't going to hammer the re-election?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: only pantsuit-approved folx get appointed, recall.
asciilifeform: ( they have this 'confirmations' thing )
BingoBoingo: That's what the current 80's Party Groping fight generating all the noise right now is about. Pantsuit stretching to beat/delay a Trump nominee on parlimentary procedure.
mircea_popescu: saudi subject loses head if caught with diet pills.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo seems rather likely.
BingoBoingo: Latest is the Girl testifies Thursday morning or never. Confirmation vot has to happen at arbitray time in the afternoon or the hearing have to start over because of rules wank
deedbot: << Bimbo.Club - Time wounds all heels
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what's a 'diet pill' anyway ? is it simply euphemism for ??? synthetic dope 'not banned in usgreich yet'
asciilifeform: ( in the spirit of the old 'bath salts' thing )
BingoBoingo: Yeah, generally ephedrine sorta stimulants
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: hm, i thought these long ago verboten in reich
BingoBoingo: Well, its a big family of chemicals
BingoBoingo: In US this probably means now Caffeine + mystery kicker
asciilifeform: ( in usgistan proper, they even have an 'analogues act' )
asciilifeform: sounds like one of those dopes that is 'its own punishment', like krokodil
Mocky: usg dun care about ephedrine. i ordered from canadian pharmacy, contents printed on package
asciilifeform: last i recall, snot-nose pills were removed from shelves because 'ephedrine, and somebody could methylate it!' , in mid-2000s
Mocky: indeed so.
BingoBoingo: That's pseudoephedrine, but yeah. A bit slow in USG
Mocky: i wanted to try it. was dealing with a weight problem
asciilifeform: in '80s su, there was a period when undergrads 'rediscovered' meth, on own power, as ephedrine was openly sold by the litre 'for asthmatic'
asciilifeform: very peculiarly by ameri-lights, there was no 'dope market', 100% of the eaters made own
BingoBoingo: Mocky: How are your preparations for Qatar going?
asciilifeform: spread like a lolcat meme, and mostly vanished away as the old students died away, perestroika 'modernity' took hold and brought manufactured dopes
Mocky: feels like a mad dash with only two weeks before lift off BingoBoingo. new luggage arrived today.
asciilifeform: Mocky: out of curiosity, from what didja study
a111: Logged on 2018-09-23 16:14 asciilifeform: i'm going from a very vintage brit b00k, with very flavourful examples, e.g. 'donkey is poor man's horse', 'i killed the man whose uncle killed my father', 'to be killed is the noblest death', etc in this spirit
BingoBoingo: Mocky: Remember if you have any questions that I did live in a travel accomodation for more than half a year.
Mocky: asciilifeform, a brit book, but prolly less vintage: J.R. Smart '86
Mocky: among a few others
asciilifeform: Mocky: the item in $thread, btw, was by one a. s. tritton , 1943
asciilifeform: d00d also had a number of items re islamic theology, schisms, etc. but none of it locatable from my perch
Mocky: BingoBoingo, thx, I'm sure i'll have questions aplenty
BingoBoingo: Anyways, got your workstation carrying setup all picked out?
Mocky: yeah, laptop in a laptop bag. has been my primary workstation for some years now. except not packing the 43in monitor!
asciilifeform: Mocky: hey, at least you dun have the pain of mircea_popescu , who left a whole trinitron behind in old world
asciilifeform: !#s trinitron
a111: 40 results for "trinitron",
Mocky: i haven't done trinitron in like 12 years.
Mocky: lappy screen is 4k. overkill honestly for a 15 inch
Mocky: unless ur a hunchback i suppose
asciilifeform: Mocky: trinitron was (imho) the acme of display
asciilifeform: not really equaled since ( tho supposedly the recent led panels just about reproduce the old crt phosphours -- but i cannot bring myself to buy, they suffer some 1980s-esque 'burn in' )
Mocky: great yeah if you hate desk space, lift weights and like hefty curvature
asciilifeform: how often you lift yer display.
Mocky: don't get me wrong, i loved mine back in the day
asciilifeform: ( and besides, 21 in. thing was, what , 80 pounds, nuffin to write home about mass-wise )
Mocky: and that hum, lol
asciilifeform: i actually had one of those strap belt things, for carrying the thing
Mocky: yeah, not that heavy really just awkward to move solo
asciilifeform: made the chore quite a bit lighter
Mocky: oh nice, first time seeing anything like that
asciilifeform: Mocky: these used to be sold in comp-related shops errywhere
asciilifeform: there's one for towers also
asciilifeform: ( with tower it is much easier to dispense with this, you can bolt an ordinary desk drawer steel handle to most of'em in a few min )
asciilifeform: i traditionally have wheels on my towers, also worx great.
Mocky: i guess you don't need to stack them
asciilifeform: lol why would i stack'em.
asciilifeform: ( and if you must, you stack horizontally, wheels dun hurt )
asciilifeform brb,meat
Mocky: multiple trinitrons on the desk, multiple towers unstacked or stacked horizontally. sounds like asciilifeform has square footage to spare
BingoBoingo: To be fair to asciilifeform, when he travelled to Montevideo he kept his personal kit very compact in order to favor cargo
Mocky: i have a bag to check, but not even sure at this point if it will be half full.
BingoBoingo: That's too be expected. At this point consider looking at what will be lucrative to bring, and try to find what simply isn't available there
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in entomo-lulz: readerz will recall, the 'prophecy' bore out into самокритика-fest. nao, for next lul in series :
a111: Logged on 2018-07-18 00:10 mircea_popescu: << such a fucking injun. how, just HOW does one get so fucking stupid. "jwz" amirite, "he only wanted to". this existence is too burdensome for the likes of special cunthead.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-17 13:40 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: torvalds's thing reads like the zinoviev&kamenev 'confessions'
asciilifeform: linus formally surrendered, and nao there is, as i gather, auditions being held, for who will get to be his new bob beck politruk;
asciilifeform: and, first auditioner, apparently, none other than old judas esr :
a111: Logged on 2018-09-17 14:14 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: linus's kernel was the last remaining 'open sores' item that was 'usable from upstream' afaik.
asciilifeform: tldr : d00d trying to organize some sort of peasant rebellion, to mop up what remains of the +ev contributors, under guise of 'protest'
asciilifeform: << detail re 'killswitch' lul.
asciilifeform: 'Contributors: You were promised something, you laboured for that promise, and now the promise has become a lie. You have remedies available to you now, as-well as in the close future .' etc
Mocky: 'Several users on 4chan’s technology board speculate that Theo is targeted first because he famously resisted an Intel backdoor.'
asciilifeform: i expect either a) whole thing is made to silently evaporate , via the usual means b) gpl is formally unwound by usg 'courts', so rathead et al can carry along. i dun see a c) ...
asciilifeform: ianal, but per current usg copyrasty system, copyrights in fact stay with authors, unless sold ( apriori, as in 'work for hire', or post -- if sold, or reassigned by idiot for phree, as e.g. rms demands of authors )
asciilifeform: so in principle afaik yes folx can demand to get their coad pulled from sjw.linux. nao, what practical result will be, no prizes for guessing.
asciilifeform: ( spoiler : either 0, see above, or >0, in which case microshit gets an even bigger crater than it originally paid for )
asciilifeform: it is interesting to consider diff b/w esr and linus. esr judased a thing he had 0 part in baking, and wanked for 20y on the periphery of. linus on oher hand merrily fucked not only the folx who were dumb enuff to invest 25y into baking with him, but... own life's work
asciilifeform: colour me thick, but i fully expected he'd take cyanide publicly before descending to this kind of bottom.
Mocky: i noticed blackmail conspiracy theory at that link, maybe consorted with 17.99 yo
asciilifeform: and ftr i dun buy mircea_popescu's 'was always a shit' hypothesis. d00d by any possible measure 'by the fruits' was NOT always-shit.
asciilifeform: was 'silent like partizan'. until day x.
asciilifeform: Mocky: it isnt clear to me what sort of blackmail could compare with the surrender. say they put him in electric chair, for killing kennedy, what of it. see also .
a111: Logged on 2018-09-23 16:17 asciilifeform: 'die not the straw death!'(tm)(r)(odin)
asciilifeform: then again, for all i know, d00d is already trooly and properly dead, and the surrender was penned for him. ( btw anybody located a signed copy ? and what's the most recent signed linus material anyway ? )
Mocky: "NOT always-shit" != "willing to go to the chair still"
asciilifeform: could argue that he already begun quisling when he permitted 'linux foundation' ( sponsor of such 'luminaries' as gavin ) to make use of his trademark
asciilifeform: !#s linux foundation
a111: 44 results for "linux foundation",
asciilifeform: back then was still possible to explain as act of stupidity, tho
Mocky: I have nfi, never followed closely
asciilifeform: Mocky: i'm not aware of any public discussion re subj to follow, outside of the l0gz
asciilifeform: there appeared out of the usg depths, this squid, 'linux foundation', sponsored at various times erry possible scamola, prb, later gavinisms, tor, etc
asciilifeform: linus in principle had the right to sue for immediate desist of use of his trademark. did not do it.
asciilifeform: ( whether could have won, or not, whoknows, usg 'court' is approx a bank balance contest. but did not even TRY )
asciilifeform: btw upstack peanut gallery thread has coupla interesting nuggets : apparently vultures already circling, professional politruks already publishing their projected ~expenses against linux~ for their 'service' of 'administering code of conduct'
asciilifeform: delish, the smell of fresh corpse, to these, apparently.
asciilifeform: i imagine a maggot's idea of heaven, this, the fresh meat with no prev maggot crew.
Mocky: in other news, Qatar becomes First Gulf State to Offer Expat Permanent Residency
Mocky: but only if lived there for 20 years and among 100 'blessed' applicants per year
Mocky: also apparently lifting exit visa requirement
asciilifeform: 'Qatar is abolishing the exit visa required before expatriate workers are allowed to leave the country' << interesting
asciilifeform: i recall a subj thrd
asciilifeform: 'those born abroad would need to have lived there 20 years' << bit of a downer
asciilifeform: Mocky: makes e.g. ru citizenship look easy.
asciilifeform: ( 5y iirc )
Mocky: seems like a play at keeping those who are already 'lifers', but unofficially so
asciilifeform: 20y puts it in the weight category of jp, lichtenstein, swiss.
asciilifeform: Mocky: likely
Mocky: ha, "However, the new decree stipulates that if a permanent resident leaves Qatar for more than six months, the interior minister could withdraw from the residency"
BingoBoingo: They seem to have the usual "marry a qualified local get a permit" deal
mircea_popescu: o wow, logexplosion
mircea_popescu: << then people want to talk about how "you can never trust bitcoin operators, always will split and run".
a111: Logged on 2018-09-24 02:11 asciilifeform: it is interesting to consider diff b/w esr and linus. esr judased a thing he had 0 part in baking, and wanked for 20y on the periphery of. linus on oher hand merrily fucked not only the folx who were dumb enuff to invest 25y into baking with him, but... own life's work
mircea_popescu: somehow i expect the linux bonfire will not be included in the list of
mircea_popescu: << i re-read his early announcements re nascent linux (publicly, quoted here) and was not impressed. no, not always shit. always manalone. this DOES NOT work.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-24 02:14 asciilifeform: and ftr i dun buy mircea_popescu's 'was always a shit' hypothesis. d00d by any possible measure 'by the fruits' was NOT always-shit.
mircea_popescu: for the exact reason on display : even the most heady, hardy etc still get old and stupid eventually. and later is actually worse than early.
mircea_popescu: anyway. i comiserate, terrible days for asciilifeform ; erryone in his pre-wot just keeps turning shitty.
asciilifeform: eh not exactly sudden, this death
mircea_popescu: << importantly, did not even do the item which was all that was needed "there are some muppets out there misusing my trademark, they're scammers and do not deal with them"
a111: Logged on 2018-09-24 02:25 asciilifeform: ( whether could have won, or not, whoknows, usg 'court' is approx a bank balance contest. but did not even TRY )
mircea_popescu: make it a toxic item in short order.
asciilifeform: ( i specifically foretold , e.g. )
a111: Logged on 2018-07-17 13:00 asciilifeform: << linus is not immortal, and i expect that he will lose control of kernel -- just as he stupidly lost control of his trademark to 'linux foundation' (y'know, with gavin on staff) -- even before dies
mircea_popescu: somewhere someone (lafond maybe ?) explains the problem of "conservative" or "republican" or w/e, johnny cash style pantsuit fucktard, whereby he's "lawyering up" in his mind, and can't curbstomp nigger at first sign of potential disobedience. "oh, he just asked me the time FOR DIFFERENT REASONS ALTOGETHER, this isn't LEGITIMATE REASON to bas his skull in"
mircea_popescu: kinda the problem of freebased i-cant-believe-hes-not-republican, or in asciilifeform 's parlance "partizans" : they have some complicated nonsense about "justifiable use of force" bla bla bla, can't simply bash in heads who "did nothing to you" etc.
Mocky: BingoBoingo, yeah but even if you could find one of the ~30k marriage age females (among 3.7M pop), and convince her to endure the social downgrade and forgo citizenship for any children, MUST then convince bride's father & suiter then converts to islam!
BingoBoingo: Makes the 20 years look easier doesn't it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suspect, in these, simple cowardice, they aimt eager to move out of the mental universe where 'law and order' and into the lafond planet where earthly carcass actually finds itself
Mocky: lol!
mircea_popescu: and they are stubbornly stupid enough so that neither display of the correct behaviour (say in the celebrated ) nor the theoretical explanation of the methodology (at leastr in ) clicks with the shit in their heads
asciilifeform: i still dun fully grasp the process whereby a theo 'marries' a bobbeck. what's the draw, exactly
mircea_popescu: aaanyway, whatever. the wages of sin are death.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i quoted the ur item here once, i think. was schmuck on "wikipedia admin board" going to "help out" unless "anyone asks him to stop".
mircea_popescu: they just show up, you understand ? remember the item which set the moron bit on djb for me ? some "vance" moron ?
mircea_popescu: these people simply can not crush a cuntbug.
mircea_popescu: exactly for the reason described, "did nothing to me" etc.
asciilifeform: and from this, goes to have power of attourney and trademark rights? bit of a climb eh
mircea_popescu: heir projected ~expenses against linux~ for their 'service' of 'administering code of conduct' << thjis is all the us ever is anymore.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, they got 20 years to slowly do it.
mircea_popescu: but -- yes. the us never had a "leader" other than this sort of scum, slowly worming itself into position. not in the past century, which is to say -- not since it stopped mattering.
asciilifeform: reminds of old-school 'grifters', the kind that marry 85yo heiress
mircea_popescu: precisely what it is.
mircea_popescu: and the principle is so very celebrated there, they even have it enshrined as the ~only basis of senate
mircea_popescu: they go so far as to say "do not vote for this guy, who is new, vote for the known-corrupt-asshole HE HAS SENIORITY"
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