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ave1: asciilifeform, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-07#1832709, this seems to me to be a duplicate key. But maybe I misunderstand? (i.e. N an e are the same, user is the same but github key id is different)
a111: Logged on 2018-07-07 21:46 asciilifeform: in yet-other lulz, we have our first idjit with ~current~ key that sits down straight on an old popped mod : http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/391BBDCC87CBADA0F891176D9D45D80B7D5D076E4551151F42B104B717F5E449
lobbesbot: ave1: Sent 1 day, 4 hours, and 57 minutes ago: <phf> ^
ave1: phf, link was wrong should have been: http://ave1.org/tarpit/tmsr-pgp-genesis.vpatch.ave1.sig. I updated the link in the post.
phf: ave1: ty, you've been placed http://btcbase.org/patches/tmsr-pgp-genesis
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-07#1832560 <-- yeah, one of the fun (if messy) parts in exploring the beast's entrails. can notice clearly the worms eating at it.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-07 14:44 mircea_popescu: re http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/076-shithub-2018-06.html#selection-149.0-153.220 : you should see the "easy to detect" over @ fetlife, fucktards have five dozen DIFFERENT failure modes, all of them ujust as "specifically laid out". bot code is 60% "handle inept error pages" by mass. so fucking evident it's the result of "incremental development", too.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-07#1832697 <-- historical walk of users by id, yes. but keys are grabbed via shithub.usg/luser.keys, which yields luser's set of keys at the time of the curl.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-07 21:38 mircea_popescu: consider, he walks a historical table.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-07#1832633 <-- ok. this'll be a very good exercise for the spyked patch-making muscle, I need it.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-07 17:24 trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-07#1832542 << I'd be much obliged if you did, staying on cuntoo dev until done.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-08#1832806 <-- it certainly looks this way, these are keys that are in both the phathub-2015 and 2018 datasets, and this particular one belongs to the same user. but note that the 2018 one doesn't have a key id (I inserted the user id instead), that one was only available when grabbing the key through the API.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-08 04:27 ave1: asciilifeform, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-07#1832709, this seems to me to be a duplicate key. But maybe I misunderstand? (i.e. N an e are the same, user is the same but github key id is different)
a111: Logged on 2018-07-07 13:47 spyked: asciilifeform, phathub file contains RSA e and N only. but that's a good point, should also post the other ones under some raw form.
deedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/077-lacul-morii.html << The Tar Pit - A photographic tour of Bucharest; in today's issue: Lacul Morii
asciilifeform: totals : 4605939 keys eaten, 4605441 mods among'em.
asciilifeform: later today -- output.
asciilifeform: per above, we get the astonishing find that, since 2016 , all but 498 lusers either: a) got booted from shithub or b) swapped key
asciilifeform: or hm, nm, closer look shows 395480 old mods; they ended up (correctly) marked for retest by asciilifeform's ancient logic
mircea_popescu: tbh 498 sounds closer to genuine github userbase figures.
asciilifeform: sadly i dun have 'the genuine figs', all i got is this.
asciilifeform: it aint as if they dun know how to generate rando key to go with spamola rando luser acct tho.
mircea_popescu: evidently.\
phf: ave1, asciilifeform or other ada specialists, how did you bootstrap a gnat on aarch64? is there some binary that's floating around (because adacore doesn't seem to have linux-aarch64 build) or is it bootstrapped using a cross compiler on a x86 linux?
phf: i very briefly looked at ave1's script, and i'm guessing that's what it's supposed to do (besides musl related): build a x86 hosted aarch64 crosscompiler, build an aarch64 build using that compiler?
asciilifeform: phf: ave1's recent breakthrough was specifically this -- a rotor-style cross-compile process that takes an existing amd64 gnat, and builds a particular other gnat for whatever arch
asciilifeform: so yes.
phf: ok, thank you. afaiu though ave1's build is potentially missing all kinds of system integration components, or is the retargeting against custom ada stdlib optional?
asciilifeform: not optional
asciilifeform: it's a musltronic build, like rotor. so it builds absolutely errything that is needed for a working static elf-outputting gnat.
asciilifeform: and quite correctly, you cannot link these with anything that it itself did not build.
mircea_popescu: nobinary!
phf: asciilifeform: is it possible to combine musl and libc on a same gentoo system (gentoo insists i use something they call crossdev, i haven't yet looked into it further) (i'm using your aarch64 gentoo root file system)?
asciilifeform: phf: only on a system where the systemwide crapola is traditional (glibc) and your musl item is a homedir-local build, a la rotor.
phf: ah, word.
asciilifeform: phf: as discussed in the recent diana_coman thread, if you want systemwide musl-anythings, gotta have a pure musl box.
phf: i followed that thread with one eye, and now i regret it. gotta revisit
mircea_popescu: "Speaking of below, above" lmao spyked's forging himself a new poetic language, full of verve and unexpectedness!
phf: he's a crypto-alchemist, leaving hints in the logs for future generations
mircea_popescu: just has a very personal relationship with the poor lang, fo sho.
asciilifeform: phf: ave1's item is pretty great, it resulted in tarballs containing working bins of amd64 and arm64 gnat; the latter worx great on my desk rockchip. the only item that dunwork of yet is the repeat of said process ~on~ arm64 (to crossbuild amd64 gnat there)
mircea_popescu similarly guilty.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wait, i thought he finessed that too ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly, but i haven't tested his pill yet ( iirc not yet published on his www )
asciilifeform: a Troo Eternal gnat oughta be able to build itself ad-infinitum, jumping archs as necessary
asciilifeform: y'know, sorta like c compiler in the olden dayz.
asciilifeform: phf: are you in the midst of planting the thing on c101pa box?
phf: asciilifeform: yes
mircea_popescu: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/077-lacul-morii.html#selection-141.182-141.386 << dood has a fucking point. you should see the morons here, i suspect they sleep in the damned things. their idea of "dressing up" is ~a different blouse~ atop the grafted-on jeans. they have shops catering to this specifically, "dress-up blouses shop". in most social situations i actually own 99.9x% of all human females dressed like human females
mircea_popescu: rather than impersonating sourdough miners.
asciilifeform: phf: theoretically it oughta run there without modification
phf: i suspect also that ave1's build is missing functionality that vtools requires, i want to see what that slice looks like, possibly fix it
mircea_popescu: certainly the hasher :D
asciilifeform: phf: at this point, if something dun build under musltronic gnat, the problem is with item, not with the gnat
phf: asciilifeform: i didn't expect anything less generous
BingoBoingo: This is largely a country a jeans grafters too
BingoBoingo: At least in winter. In the summer shorts do come out
deedbot: http://blog.esthlos.com/routes-to-keccak-in-esthlos-v/ << esthlos - Routes to Keccak in esthlos-v
esthlos: wrt http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-07#1832726 and asciilifeform 's "sad mode", the idea of using the manifest was the confusing way the fuck back in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-07#1787163 , where I thought "oh, mp wants me to build a vtron using manifest to resolve tree, guess I need a manifest spec!"
a111: Logged on 2018-07-07 23:27 phf: i've been using vpatch/vdiff without full blown v, because i can order the patches by hand (and there's now an explicit ordering provided by manifest), and vpatch verifies the hashes for me. it would be handy if i could also press existing sha patches with `vpatch -a sha` or whatever
a111: Logged on 2018-03-07 19:18 mircea_popescu: esthlos i don't get it, you're going to take a stab "at it" ie making a textfile, the sort that only carries any sort of weight or importance if a) you're somebody and b) you're doing something important, in between whenever your fiat job permits you a few hours here and there ?
a111: Logged on 2018-07-07 23:58 phf: esthlos: your v_genesis patch is broken, http://btcbase.org/patches/v_genesis/file "contact" etc.
esthlos: bbl
mod6: all caught up on logs.
mod6: how's everyone doing?
BingoBoingo: Not bad
mod6: nice :]
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/07/another-case-of-human-labor-masquerading-as-ai-exposed/ << Qntra - Another Case Of Human Labor Masquerading As AI Exposed
deedbot: http://blog.esthlos.com/log-reading-week-1/ << esthlos - Log Reading, Week 1
asciilifeform: esthlos: http://summaries.logs.esthlos.com/#2018-07 << phuctor, not phunctor, lol
mircea_popescu: check out the aggressive mp.
asciilifeform: in other lullities :
asciilifeform: and that's the whole harvest.
mircea_popescu: dozen exactly ?
mircea_popescu: esthlos can't select portions of your blog! but anyway, "Make a new patch with esthlos-v_genesis and some node of the EuCrypt tree as parents." wasn't contemplated, because http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-29#1592769
a111: Logged on 2016-12-29 21:39 mircea_popescu: just search for me screaming "there's only one genesis" and frothing at the mouth.
mircea_popescu: so it was, "re-grind your genesis ~as a patch upon eucrypt~."
mircea_popescu: and yes, the effort to understand is not getting cut out.
mircea_popescu: http://blog.esthlos.com/routes-to-keccak-in-esthlos-v/#footnote_5_24 << signing a patch signifies, at the common basis, a) that the signer has read the patch and that b) in his best effort determination b1) the transformation that the specified patch brings upon b2) the exact codebase specified will not b3) ~introduce~ properties that are b4) novel, unobvious and nefarious (all three).
mircea_popescu: this is the "default genesis" so to speak of any signature's seals. if the owner patches upon it, to make it eg "this is a lulz signature, will sign all retarded implementations with it", that'd be his problem, and yours only by the extension of, "why are you trusting signatures without knowing the owner enough to have seen the actual meaning-patch-tree he uses".
mircea_popescu: that satisfies ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-09#1832898 << 2 oldies ( from prev shot and still alive, evidently )
a111: Logged on 2018-07-09 01:46 mircea_popescu: dozen exactly ?
mircea_popescu: incredible enough, >0 still breakable.
mircea_popescu: i guess the cosmic ray is still powered on.
asciilifeform: can click on factor to see who's debianized etc
asciilifeform: debian, 'gift keeps on giving', lol
mircea_popescu: of course, this may just be a problem of optics. apple tree keeps on giving for 30+ years, debian so far smoking nervously in the 1st decade corner.
asciilifeform still finds it surreal that anybody wanted anyffing whatsoever to do with debian after the 'bug'
mircea_popescu: as xerox parc and say symbolics well proved (and crapple, shittysoft, etc all eagerly copied), no computer science matters for very long.
asciilifeform: lol science
mircea_popescu: if my slavegirl coco asked me in the 50s if i recommend she go into fashion or into computing, she'd still have been coco chanel.
mircea_popescu: lasting-er impact, as a fashionista, than as one of these, whatever they are, "intellectuals" or so.
mircea_popescu: and ~just as~ in the computer case, fashion also has some kind of vague relation with objective realities. somewhat. tit holes usually go in front, registers usually go on a bus, sorta level of reality constraint.
asciilifeform: go into pest control.. at least those roaches actually die sometimes when you spray'em
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> lasting-er impact, as a fashionista, than as one of these, whatever they are, "intellectuals" or so. << Whoever came up with those graft jeans has a legacy
asciilifeform: to carry on with analogy, it is not yet even clear to asciilifeform whether there even is a kitchen beneath the writhing mass.
mircea_popescu: afaik it was the discotards that introduced them into zek wardrobe. definitely 70s item
mircea_popescu: possibly to be pinned on that y s laurent faggot.
asciilifeform: ftr asciilifeform dun know diff b/w laurent, chanell, coco, all same to my orc eye.
asciilifeform: and largely associated with spam in my head, being the only place i ever encountered said strings.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform coco chanel was an interesting enough woman.
mircea_popescu: basically, stepped beyond the corset ; something in her line much in the vein of "let's make sewing machine that ~doesn't try to immitate seamstres hand~" or "let's try and make flying machine that ~doesn't try to immitate bird~". creativity is creativity, resistence of medium is resistence of medium, can find a lot to like about fashion designer.
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