mircea_popescu: anyone srsly thought anything but the usg is keeping the prices high ?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: From that link: "Jo Ann Hardesty Says She’s the Angry Black Woman Portland City Council Needs. We Agree."
mircea_popescu: governments, the bigest draw on consumers since the invention of consuming.
BingoBoingo: It's an agricultural product. Business seems to draw the "money while you sleep" crowd
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: oh i suggest you go look into hardesty
ben_vulpes: the lulz are so very thick
ben_vulpes: anyways this is a solvable problem and it's being solved by the people i told how to solve it by refining the otherwise excess product into shelf-stable distillates and offering lines of credit securitized by the refined product at market prices just like any other asset
ben_vulpes: and yeah farmers get rekt and bankers book it; story of the ages.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, borrowing against the future dun work. what, then get the usg to "stockpile" it like sugar/corn ?
mircea_popescu: and then what, base the currency on the piles of thc ?
BingoBoingo: I imagine if you are in Oregon the winning move is to export
mircea_popescu: outside of the imperial racket supporting it, ganja is worth exactly the same as usg's "intellectual property" or usg's "real estate" : ~0.
ben_vulpes: it's entirely saleable as an input to industrial processes in precisely the same manner as nicotine is sprayed on cigarettes
ben_vulpes: just, not at the prices the farmers want.
ben_vulpes: and so the bankers will call on margin again and again as the marktomarket value descends.
trinque: the bluehairs thought legal weed meant they were going to get to smoke weed all day.
trinque: this being the reason anyone ever dealt weed: to have a ton of weed around
ben_vulpes: it'll take a decade but there will be a securitizable asset here, just like pork bellies. only nobody stateside even wants to contemplate the notion because it runs so contrary to their self delusions and delusions of special "girl scout cookie" product burn away
BingoBoingo: Well, trinque They might be able to smoke it all day as price goes in the direction it does for robust agricultural commodities
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, i can't follow your logic. how do you explain eg cowrie shells not being a "securitizable asset" by this same logic ?
mircea_popescu: just because some rasta brains thought "cowrie shells are like, cool! and shit... man" dun mean jack.
mircea_popescu: understand the difference between pork bellies and pot : pork bellies are a) the most closely guarded part of pigs which b) are animals that eat the most closely guarded part of corn which c) leaves exist to produce. there's three degrees of biomass reduction at work here, pork bellies are like tuna, not like fucking zooplankton. which is why prime tuna costs $$$ and pressed nori sheets are in the discount bin at the cheap st
mircea_popescu: an acre of land can produce either ONE pig belly or else about half the bud all of san francisco smoked this month.
mircea_popescu: and yes, it's 80 dollars either way.
hanbot: mircea_popescu half the bud all of san francisco lost might not be half the bud san francisco (bought and then) misplaced this month...
mircea_popescu: of course it isn't.
hanbot: er, half the bud it smoked.
mircea_popescu: they suck at everything equally, if they manage to actually inhale 10% i count it a good month.
BingoBoingo: Despite wed having been legal in Uruguay since the Dictatorship legalized consumption in 1973, the Uruguayos still import from Paraguay
BingoBoingo: And the Uruguayos hate being reminded that the Dictatorship gave them their legal weed. Frente Amplia keeps trying to spam that it was their idea.
mircea_popescu: in other similar news : a) prostitution is legal here ; b) lazier, more disinterested in work "working" girls you never did see.
mircea_popescu: turns out that if it's not illegal, it's not really all that demanded, either.
hanbot waits for the "illegalize it" wall scrawls
mircea_popescu: not likely gonna happen, it doesn't occur to anyone to "make sugar illegal" to bring back dat cookie jar feelin'
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: granted, it's a single level of biorefinement, but it's a 'lithium' for the folks who refuse to take their ballas-prescribed sedatives, preferring for whatever reason, the "natural stuff". i'm not saying it's not a pink-sheet securitizable, but that standards for the commoditized (and inevitably, securitized) product (thus and such cbd, that and so thc, viscosities of whatever, optical
ben_vulpes: characteristics of arbitrarium, hydrocarbon refinement byproducts of no more than your mom) are coming to further smear the soi-disant independent thinkers into precisely the same paste the megastate produces everywhere
mircea_popescu: in principle. but in practice, if nobody cares, nobody cares.
mircea_popescu: cryptography is not securitizable for the same exact reason - before we came along NOT A SINGLE ANYTHING CARED.
ben_vulpes: how theoretically wouldja securitize cryptography
ben_vulpes: pot at least has yet to achieve full starbuxxification; and that industrial value-extractor-from-american-moocows will want standardized, homogeneous psychoactive product to spray atop its flavor-of-the-week flower imitation
mircea_popescu: by making it secure.
mircea_popescu: what do you suppose "securitization" is, economically ?
ben_vulpes: refinement and aggregation of physical items into fungible paper
mircea_popescu: there's a reason oil refinery doesn't encounter the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-11#1812485 / http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-12#1812816 problem.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-11 20:37 asciilifeform: ( incidentally, if you think m3 ~screw~ is impossible to find in shops here -- try a ~tap~. one time asciilifeform broke a m3 tap and wanted a replacement quickly, and like complete idiot tried to buy ~in shops~. result : wasted weekend )
a111: Logged on 2018-05-12 21:57 mod6: We need exactly that, but something that yields an actual working box. I was unaware that since apparently last year, the wreckers junked us.
mircea_popescu: and that reason is... that the supply was made secure.
mircea_popescu: this is the other end of this same rifle barrel, you understand. we're indignant "shitgnomes, shitgnomes EVERYWHERE!!!", but meanwhile people in industry have to jump through flaming fucking hoops to keep the supply lines in working order. and they do. and they get good at it, and are slightly amused at the entitled neckbeards.
ben_vulpes: (imagine living with a foot in both worlds)
mircea_popescu: "what do you mean, if shit only fucking worked and idiots kept their mouth shut and their gefingerpokers in their buttholes heh-heh-heh"
ben_vulpes: perhaps i misunderstand, but when i think "securitized" i think "brent" and the forsakeofargument "bvulpes reserve-grade distillate", which anyone can produce from flower if their heads are screwed on with more than 2 threads
mircea_popescu: your problem is that you're trying "to guess what the word could mean" by "the context". whereas what the word actually means is a lengthy historical story very much in the vein of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-02#1786791
a111: Logged on 2018-03-02 18:21 mircea_popescu: JUST SO, the bank ~sold~ people bills to itself. if you pay the bank $5, you get in exchange... a bill for $5, that you can give to the bank, as if the bank had sat in your restaurant and ate $5 worth.
ben_vulpes: i will take this rebuke and mull it over with my kindleberger
mircea_popescu: anyway, in the general : much like to say that there was a limit where the flaunting of their foul acts and opinions before the world must stop" is exactly like saying "the emperor got his crown from the pope -- not the other way around" ie, "pantsuit is the sovereign", just EXACTLY so saying "be liberal in what you accept" is exactly saying "you're not worth two shits".
mircea_popescu: the refinery isn't "liberal in what it accepts" -- on the fucking contrary, everything around it changes to provide it with the ~exact~ expected item.
mircea_popescu: the "robustness" principle is, properly speaking, the "computers are unimportant" principle.
mircea_popescu: and following this logic -- because pot is relatively unimportant therefore it'll never be securitized. sure, it'll exist, like saltpeter exists, but nobody will give enough of a shit to learn by heart arbitrary names for geological deposits like "brent" or "texas sweet crude".
mod6: mornin TMSR~
mod6: I did get one of the boxes installed so far with 4.9.4 GCC from an old stage3. Interestingly the stage3 from 2015 was too old (was complaining about EAPI things), but my other old stage3 from 20170316 was still ok.
mod6: Now, just gotta do this again with the 2nd box.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/05/pantsuit-unicef-humanitarian-caught-buggering-street-kids/ << Qntra - Pantsuit Unicef "Humanitarian" Caught Buggering Street Kids
BingoBoingo: mod6: Nice
mod6: ty. it basically is pure luck the old one worked. it won't work forever either.
mod6: soon the only bridge will be the 6->5->4 ben_vulpes dance. (until cuntoo)
asciilifeform: ohai mod6
mod6: mornin' asciilifeform
asciilifeform: mod6: if you still feel like experimenting , i'ma bet stage3-amd64-20161219.tar.bz2 ( the amd64 version of the arm64 stage3 i built the rockchip pilot plant image from ) will work 100%
asciilifeform: without any 6->5->4 massage.
mod6: ah. if you built the rockchips with that, i bet it would then, ya. yesterday, i was wondering which old one you must hvae used.
asciilifeform: ( specifically one of my replies, dated apr 25 )
mod6: ah, crud, must have missed that
asciilifeform: and it represents the most recent asciilifeform-baked gentoo
asciilifeform: ( iirc gentoo on dulap -- and then as supplied to s.mg -- was baked from a stage4 of same vintage )
mod6: ahh. part of the whole thing is, even after all this time, im still pretty non-clued on the whole portage usage. i guess, one-adventure-at-a-time, im learning more.
mod6: i really need to wrap my head around some of this stuff; no excuses.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-13#1812908 << i suspect possible case of 'never say never'; in usa there are traders in... whiskey securities; and 'arbitrary names' abound (scotch, bourbon, etc) ; possible that in e.g. californistan , old man ethyl will give way to the green leaf as 'primary dope' and same agricultural-financial mechanics will apply to the new as did to the old
a111: Logged on 2018-05-13 05:07 mircea_popescu: and following this logic -- because pot is relatively unimportant therefore it'll never be securitized. sure, it'll exist, like saltpeter exists, but nobody will give enough of a shit to learn by heart arbitrary names for geological deposits like "brent" or "texas sweet crude".
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-13#1812870 << continuing with this, observe that obtaining alcohol is considerably simpler than prime pig or even 'californirast grade' pot ; and yet there is such a thing as a 200 $ bottle of whiskey
a111: Logged on 2018-05-13 04:22 mircea_popescu: understand the difference between pork bellies and pot : pork bellies are a) the most closely guarded part of pigs which b) are animals that eat the most closely guarded part of corn which c) leaves exist to produce. there's three degrees of biomass reduction at work here, pork bellies are like tuna, not like fucking zooplankton. which is why prime tuna costs $$$ and pressed nori sheets are in the discount bin at the cheap st
asciilifeform: there's a sufficiently heavy admixture of veblenism , to make engineer-style pronouncement of 'of course you need three acres and three years, and nobody's making more acres or more years' -- questionable
asciilifeform: that being said, afaik folx-with-money in usa prefer whiskey bottle, rather than 'joint' ; but this could change, already recent piles of printolade are distributed in the west, to 'joint' folx, in preference of east cost whiskeyists.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-13#1812854 << afaik the use of distilled thc 'tar' is comparatively unpopular, vs the raw leaf. sorta like distilled nicotine has not replaced traditional tobacco.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-13 04:05 ben_vulpes: anyways this is a solvable problem and it's being solved by the people i told how to solve it by refining the otherwise excess product into shelf-stable distillates and offering lines of credit securitized by the refined product at market prices just like any other asset
asciilifeform: there's an aesthetic component to the habit, in addition to the merely pharmacological.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-13#1812861 << observe how ~all~ farming in usa, was put under 'soft kolhoz' by fdr ( and at exactly same time, and for same reasons, as in old su into 'proper' kolhoz) and nobody alive today remembers any other kind of farming
a111: Logged on 2018-05-13 04:10 ben_vulpes: just, not at the prices the farmers want.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-13#1812888 << tools that ~don'twork , end up unimportant, as they are 'routed around'
a111: Logged on 2018-05-13 04:53 mircea_popescu: cryptography is not securitizable for the same exact reason - before we came along NOT A SINGLE ANYTHING CARED.
asciilifeform: observe that crypto is ~still~ the quintessential lemon market.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/05/pantsuit-media-tries-to-dethrone-woke-voice-of-a-generation-kanye-west-with-forced-meme/ << Qntra - Pantsuit Media Tries To Dethrone #WOKE Voice of a Generation Kanye West With Forced Meme
asciilifeform: and by extension, for instance, rng ( witness the lack of excitement among heathens in re fg, for instance : 'expensive, and what exactly does this do that my intel doesn't')
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-13#1812934 << Rather soon after Colorado legalized "dabbing" started to become a thing. Folks vaporize distilled oils with LIon powered pocket exploders. Pantsuitist market this a "healthier and safer" than smoking
a111: Logged on 2018-05-13 16:12 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-13#1812854 << afaik the use of distilled thc 'tar' is comparatively unpopular, vs the raw leaf. sorta like distilled nicotine has not replaced traditional tobacco.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i expect it will be same dynamic as with the battery-powered nicotine thing
asciilifeform: ( i.e. some folx will pick it up, but no visible dent on traditional tobacco market )
BingoBoingo: I would estimate when I left old country that in my area ~25% of nicotine users had transtioned to the vapes for the majority of their nicotine ingestion
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-13#1812886 << in actual industry ( as opposed to garage dope kitchen ) essential oils are extracted with supercritical co2, rather than petrochem ( i expected that ben_vulpes would know this )
a111: Logged on 2018-05-13 04:52 ben_vulpes: characteristics of arbitrarium, hydrocarbon refinement byproducts of no more than your mom) are coming to further smear the soi-disant independent thinkers into precisely the same paste the megastate produces everywhere
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Per pantsuitist media reports the Hashoilis use butane.
asciilifeform: well yes, currently they do
asciilifeform: because not so far removed from the kitchen lab, at the moment.
asciilifeform: you need a ~$500k (turkeydollar) plant, to do it the adult way. and i suspect that there are not 500k of turkeydollar between them atm.
BingoBoingo: Might be related to the strong non-polarity of stuff they want as a focus. Could be part kitchen lab, could be the butane has a favorable bias as a solvent.
asciilifeform: these regularly explode.
asciilifeform: hence the pantsuit coverage.
BingoBoingo: The regular exploding is more the lithium ion batteries
asciilifeform: ( and yes it's the ~only hardware-store solvent that ~works for the purpose )
BingoBoingo: Why sell good cells to vapists?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the funny bit, is that 'good' lithium-ion cell is a mythical unicorn
asciilifeform: they were rubbish when they first hit conveyor, and are rubbish now; good for intended purpose for maybe a year or 2 when new
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, entirely improbable. alcohol ~is even the reason america exists~, i'll point out ; the driver for slave trade was sugar cane not cotton, historically, and so on.
mircea_popescu: ie, we're still comparing mud pies to the washington monument.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i cannot comment on the probability. only re the possibility ( it seems -- possible. )
asciilifeform: the demise of the horse, i suspect, seemed equally improbable.
asciilifeform: old crop of lizards preferred the drunken man; perhaps new crop -- prefers the 'pothead' as the ideal 'new sov^H^H^H^american man'..
mircea_popescu: the $200 bottle of whiskey is a product of the EXACT same process as "i have a bf, why would i be your slave" patriotism. there is no whiskey extant today, ever existent in history or ever to be devises worth more than $2 a galon. for the very simple and strictly unassailable reason that grain alcohol is one step above wood alcohol, and approximately equal to gasoline.
mircea_popescu: now FRUIT alcohol, ie, the $200 bottle of wine, THAT exists. but it's also so finnicky to actually make as to justify the price.
asciilifeform: which one of these , pot-growing is closer to , i'ma leave to the folx who know
mircea_popescu: note that there's no veuve cliquot securities, notwithstanding that is a genuinely and on its own merits $50 bottle.
mircea_popescu: (there are no $1000 bottles, either, it's not THAT bad. unless for purely historical reasons, "this is the bottle marie antoinette vaginally inserted" etc)
mircea_popescu: but that said -- seems almost a certainty that the pothead is preferable to the drunk, from the socialist nigger's perspective.
asciilifeform: aha -- sedate, pliant folx
asciilifeform: ( only problem, from pig-farm pov, being their 'munchies' but the corn people will take care... )
mircea_popescu: alcohol is sedative in quantity and uninhibitor in mini doses ; pot is sedative in mini doses and psychogenic in quantity. seems evidently the better deal.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, do you recall, incidentally, the trilema piece discussing the future ? the bit about how "if meth is legal, trucker MUST do meth, like it or not" ?
mircea_popescu: turns out that pot mandate has extended past "the service industry" ie the white girl job (waitress) and the black guy job ("custodian", amirite ?) into the neet lands.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i recall the piece. can't currently picture how it applies to pot tho -- it isn't 'performance dope'
asciilifeform: unless notion is 'opiate for the masses', where 'neet' is herded into barns that are 'undendurable without pot'
mircea_popescu: of course it is. understand this : the us is, for all intents and purposes, an aquarium. someone now and again drops some food pellets in, the fishies inside are either depressed or part of the pantsuit club of "how to correctly display the beauty of aquariums for the benefit of the aquarium feeder folk outside".
mircea_popescu: as far as the zeks are concerned, their performance is purely performative : they're employed at the task of "being americans", so the chinese can take pictures of authentic.
mircea_popescu: in this sense, pot is as much a performance drug as meth is for trucker.
asciilifeform: the aquarium model is imho spot-on, but with the detail that most of the usa inmates are not fish in the aquarium, but zooplankton, quite invisible to the owner and the fish alike
mircea_popescu: and this is why it started with waitresses and janitors, too. their job is to PRETEND like they're servants so the "upper" class can pretend it's upper.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, sure. and then again there's this pesky algae bloom of maga, and so on.
mircea_popescu: but there's a fucking reason they're "concerned" about "russian spies" rather than chinese spies. "those aren't spies, dummy, those are the peopel dropping food pellets in. they should get a good show, put out!"
asciilifeform: pre-q2-2016 fixation was still 'chinese spies'
mircea_popescu: imagine, if you will, wehrmacht-sd being "concerned" about azerbaijani spies.
asciilifeform was slaving in a 'seekoority'-flavoured salt mine hell at the time, and remembers the switch, quite abrupt
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, funny, huh.
lobbes: I will note that some of the moar chronic (decade + of "smoke all day every day") $potusers I know can no longer get high off of the leaves; need the refined "dabs". >> (+asciilifeform) [16:31:35] which one of these , pot-growing is closer to , i'ma leave to the folx who know
mircea_popescu: lobbes, pot has a number of misfortunate qualities that interdict its large scale usage, which is why coca civilisation existed even, but not pot.
mircea_popescu: but why bother the idiots with knowledge, let them "we've done the experiment and forgot to publish results" until they fall over.
asciilifeform: lobbes: afaik even heroin users have concept of 'knock down the dose', where they abstain for a spell. pot smokers -- not ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, let me simplify this for you : pot smokers are socialist. if their brain worked, pot'd be more of a concern, but as it is...
mircea_popescu: you know the joke with the very brave man, went through the horrible leg-cutting bear trap ?
mircea_popescu: a very brave man once braved a horrible leg-cutting bear trap
mircea_popescu: interviewed afterwards, as to how did he do it ?!
mircea_popescu: "i was born without legs, ma'am."
asciilifeform: 'Хорошо тому живется, У кого одна нога, У того яйцо не трется, И не надо сапога.' (tm)(r)
mircea_popescu: man this is great.
asciilifeform: there's a whole genre of these.
mircea_popescu: "Понос... Дизентирия... Геморрой. не казала б девка ты худую грудь и в такую попку парни не буть накачаю попку, припаяю грудь пусть меня в деревне парни все буть."
mircea_popescu: Дед Епифан! fucking win.
lobbes: asciilifeform: I posed the same "why not take tolerance break" q to them as well. They claim "doesn't work" but I suspect they simply didn't wait long enough
mircea_popescu: lobbes, it doesn't work as well as it works for say ecstasy.
asciilifeform: sorta like how when asciilifeform suggests to nicotine aficionados, to do it 'like the indians, erry 3-6mo.' they look like at martian
mircea_popescu: you know i kinda lost that ?
asciilifeform: completely ? as in, it does 0 ?
mircea_popescu: for two decades i've been smoking, maybe once or twice a week, or so.
asciilifeform: or as in '6 mo go by, but still dun feel like any'
mircea_popescu: but it's been months, the cigars been piling up, eventually i turned off the supply... and well...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, yeah, i just lost interest in smoking altogether.
asciilifeform: it does happen.
asciilifeform: the pets dun do cigars ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> of course it is. understand this : the us is, for all intents and purposes, an aquarium. someone now and again drops some food pellets in, the fishies inside are either depressed or part of the pantsuit club of "how to correctly display the beauty of aquariums for the benefit of the aquarium feeder folk outside". << Uruguay is the FUTURE!!!
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, moar liek futa is da future amirite.
lobbes: Though, I think mr p's "aquarium performance drug" theory is spot on re: pot. Encourages general complacency with less "action" than alcohol inspires.
mircea_popescu: certainly "beautiful ones" look better smoked than drunk.
BingoBoingo: And there are few "people" (cerdos humanos) more complacent than Uruguayos
lobbes: 40+ yr case study right there in .uy huh?
BingoBoingo: lobbes: Well, what is an almost purely tourist oriented economy? If it isn't a type of aquarium...
mircea_popescu: !#s beautiful ones
a111: Logged on 2015-02-25 21:16 ascii_field: their own young. Procreation slumped, infant abandonment and mortality soared. Lone females retreated to isolated nesting boxes on penthouse levels. Other males, a group Calhoun termed “the beautiful ones,” never sought sex and never fought—they just ate, slept, and groomed, wrapped in narcissistic introspection.'
mircea_popescu: might as well redrop the orig source for archival http://www.cabinetmagazine.org/issues/42/wiles.php
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-13#1812937 << farming is NOT AMENABLE to any other kind of farming. the pretense to "independent farmers" is how the pantsuit chicks got the less able men off the cattle growing, you understand. the notion of "independent farmer" is a hallucination exactly like the notion of "successful starlet", sold by the press of a commercial concern for a commercial interest. hollywood WANTED a bunch of gir
a111: Logged on 2018-05-13 16:14 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-13#1812861 << observe how ~all~ farming in usa, was put under 'soft kolhoz' by fdr ( and at exactly same time, and for same reasons, as in old su into 'proper' kolhoz) and nobody alive today remembers any other kind of farming
mircea_popescu: lies breaking off family bonds to come serve them on hands and knees ; and churchgoing uppity "homely" (=ugly) women WANTED a bunch of retards to think "cowboy life is dangerous, dun take guns to town, stay on farm with the sow"
mircea_popescu: but once the specific environment changed, once there isn't a cattle farming interest to join, well... why keep up the pretense.
mircea_popescu: understand, mom will make paper copies of rifles for kiddy for only just as long as the soldiers pass in the street. once they're gone, once the immediate, obvious stimulus ceases, there's other things to do, so why don't you go make your bed.
mircea_popescu: epically more evident in period russia, where choice before every country bumpkin/ciolovek actually had to decide whether stay on farm or go join bandits. and, for that matter, the deep reason for http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-08#1811354 is exactly that, german youth deserted the old woman "state" en masse, joined "the bandits".
a111: Logged on 2018-05-08 17:52 asciilifeform: asciilifeform's pet was just not long ago singing it, lol
asciilifeform: kolhoz did not happen because martians came, no. technological inevitability, like artillery.
mircea_popescu: rather. farm life is farm life, whadda ya want. waste effort on supporting too many children, pray the mongols don't come to merv you out.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: related, in re period, 'На одной ноге я пришел с войны, / Привязал коня сел я у жены. / Но часу не прошло комиссар пришел, / Отвязал коня и жену увел. ...'
mircea_popescu: it's fundamentally unsustainable, but hey, for while the "headcount is only count that matters" delusion holds, women wanna spawn.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-13#1812954 << costa rica is introducing a lulz of al ltime tiered licensing system. the top tier is about 2mn in royalties.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-13 16:25 asciilifeform: you need a ~$500k (turkeydollar) plant, to do it the adult way. and i suspect that there are not 500k of turkeydollar between them atm.
mircea_popescu: i expect they'll get paid ; the pot lulz is not without financing.
asciilifeform: i still suspect that folx who 'i'ma get in on ground floor and GetRich(tm)', a la ben_vulpes's friend, are misguided , because http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-06#1044114
a111: Logged on 2015-03-06 03:29 mircea_popescu: making money is a purely ~political~ function. if you are among the favoured elite of the respublica veneta, you then may invest in the ships, and make a profit. if not, not.
mircea_popescu: of course. but you have to understand, lots of imaginary money sloshing around.
mircea_popescu: the one thing the germans were clamoring for, interbellum, was "for a way to give all this useless paper back to the govt".
asciilifeform: rright. nobody promised that the constraint mechanism would be same as in venice or king leopold's belgium. today it is in the turket vs vapour usd divide
mircea_popescu: because that's what worthless money wants, most of all : to go back an' meet its maker.
asciilifeform: i.e. one investor's 500k builds a co2 extractor; the other's 2m usd -- mysteriously evaporates without building much of anything
mircea_popescu: oh, but it was invested in the great opportunity of groupon
mircea_popescu: which all the fucktards who hyped it feel no need to ever mention again ; they'll just reuse the hype with s/groupon/apple/g instead.
mircea_popescu: problem ?
asciilifeform remembers walking into dc metro and literally every square metre on which paper could be glued -- pavement, walls, trains, escalator -- was covered: 'groupon'
asciilifeform: for weeks.
asciilifeform even today has nfi -- though admittedly, did not dig in deeply -- re what, exactly , distinguishes 'groupon' from ye olde 'mmm'
mircea_popescu: exactly nothing. but sometime between Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities LLC and groupon they actually gave up on even pretending to prosecute fraud.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, books cooked ~exactly~ same way in both cases.
mircea_popescu: (there was actually the mf global issue right in between there, as an intermediate stage)
mircea_popescu: "Individuals born under these circumstances will be so out of touch with reality as to be incapable even of alienation. Their most complex behaviors will become fragmented. Acquisition, creation and utilization of ideas appropriate for life in a post-industrial cultural-conceptual-technological society will have been blocked."
mircea_popescu: i find this eerlily apt. the fundamental fact of the neet isn't that it's alienated ; but that it lacks the capacity for alienation altogether.
mircea_popescu: "In Stand on Zanzibar, John Brunners 1972 novel of a hyperactive, overpopulated world, society is plagued by muckers, individuals who suddenly and for no obvious reason run amok, killing and wounding others." << now the uncomfortable question becomes, whether that's the actual problem of 2018 because that's what the people of 1972 thought it will be ?
asciilifeform: !#s zanzibar from:asciilifeform
a111: 11 results for "zanzibar from:asciilifeform", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=zanzibar%20from%3Aasciilifeform
asciilifeform: ^ see also.
mircea_popescu: certainly there's directly evident a fundamental inability to acquire or process ideas at the root of the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-12#1812645 / more general "web has failed" discussion.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-12 01:59 mircea_popescu: 2018 web is ~= 1988 disco or 1968 "rock&roll". there's no beatles, there's no elvis, there's just you know, "rock and roller Little Richard performing in 2007" ie wikipedia. there's fucking F!TV.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-11 23:02 trinque: lol what claim? go, divide.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-05-25#688733 << the shit one finds digging through the logs.
a111: Logged on 2014-05-25 21:19 mircea_popescu: Goat owe me 3740.35 BTC. This is a serious scam and he is playing rich with MY money. 2012 I invested a lot in his Tygrr-bot. I thought it sounded like a cool arbitrage bot. It was hard to go profit and a lesser amount was lost to exchange failure.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-05-28#691540 << is dead link, unsurprisingly. replaced with proper quality warez, nao, for now at http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/warez/soz.txt.gz .
a111: Logged on 2014-05-28 00:43 asciilifeform: http://www.pdfarchive.info/pdf/B/Br/Brunner_John_-_Stand_on_Zanzibar.pdf
mircea_popescu: why ty.
mircea_popescu: aaanyway, the problem isn't even the demographic-theoretical identified there ("when there's more mice than social roles, mice society collapses, because the demands upon the role fillers are overgreat wrt individual mice biological capacity ; and the path for the role-aspirants is no longer clear, which definitionally is what "society has failed" even means, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742439 ) ; but rather informatio
a111: Logged on 2017-11-23 15:25 mircea_popescu: though mostly quoted for the fundamental prpblem -- these are college educated or educating esltards (maybe not ALL at MIT, but if you're on the internet.en you're either out of or currently in college) WHO DO NOT KNOW HOW TO BECOME MILLIONAIRES.
mircea_popescu: n-theoretical : when there's more ideas than mental capacity for juggling ideas, one's stuck trying to pretend like they're some kind of me, sitting atop a complex apparatus fine-tuned to provide them with summaries and classification.
mircea_popescu: in the end, the remaining "value proposition" of jewish outlets is, "all put together a penny or two, and we'll provide a harem for all of you!"
mircea_popescu: sorta like that bad 1950s film with kim novak.
mircea_popescu: basically, to answer http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-11#1812588 : they're a) not doing it because b) if they tried to they'd run out of time before they'd run out of divisions and therefore c) waiting for someone to d) collapse this AND OTHER SUCH things into a more manageable super-idea except e) quid custodiet, which is necessarily at odds with the requirements of b-c, and therefore the whole thing's paralyzed.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-11 23:02 trinque: lol what claim? go, divide.
mircea_popescu: this is the fucking problem : man who can plow an acre who got a square mile, can't start on plowing the acre he can plow because waiting for tractor, except can not trust item he receives actually plows anything. -> famine.
asciilifeform: the same folx will do mountain of work to, e.g., build 'rust' compiler or other heathen nonsense. but unsurprisingly won't lift a finger to look through terrorist telescope and , heavens forbid, see an extra moon where mother church proclaimed, Officially, there be none
asciilifeform: i suspect (but cannot prove) that there is at least a trace of underlying thought of 'so suppose he's telling the truth. nao wat? throw away mit diploma? eat pistol? eat from dumpsters?'
mircea_popescu: not so.
mircea_popescu: they'll just download a script
asciilifeform: lol script. these people spend all day, erry day, fiddling with the products of one another's dysfunctional hands growing from arse
asciilifeform: ( try and, one day, build one of their supposed 'just worx, run script!' lol )
mircea_popescu: but they don't care about the eventual results.
mircea_popescu: they get fifty, run them all, pick whichever result looks least banged up and there, that's gonna be their wife now.
mircea_popescu: see, there's a difference between work and activity. they're not completely inactive, yes, but they do no work. cuz work is when you know what's gonna come out. if you don't know what's gonna come out, it's fucking not work.
asciilifeform: they do 'work' of the rat turning a wheel, yes
mircea_popescu: rat lacks the capacity for work. it can do "work" in the physical sense, of ef-delta-dee. but in the social sense, work is directed activity not merely activity undirected.
asciilifeform: activity of shaman, or rust programmer, is 'directed', from his pov
BingoBoingo: In other agricultural products: http://trilema.com/2016/pili/#selection-89.445-89.546
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in euroclassics, the ~original~ malleus ( http://www.sacred-texts.com/pag/mm has decent engl. trans. ) is actually pretty great. e.g. :
asciilifeform: 'And what, then, is to be thought of those witches who in this way sometimes collect male organs in great numbers, as many as twenty or thirty members together, and put them in a bird's nest, or shut them up in a box, where they move themselves like living members, and eat oats and corn, as has been seen by many and is a matter of common report? It is to be said that it is all done by devil's work and illusion, for the senses of thos
asciilifeform: e who see them are deluded in the way we have said. For a certain man tells that, when he had lost his member, he approached a known witch to ask her to restore it to him. She told the afflicted man to climb a certain tree, and that he might take which he liked out of the nest in which there were several members. And when he tried to take a big one, the witch said: You must not take that one; adding, because it belongs to a parish pr
asciilifeform: ( part 2, ch. vii )
asciilifeform: or, p. 1., 'question' xviii, '...why do not witches become rich? Secondly, why, having the favour of princes, do they not co-operate for the destruction of all their enemies? Thirdly, why are they unable to injure Preachers and others who persecute them?
asciilifeform: For the first, it is to be said that witches are not generally rich for this reason: that the devils like to show their contempt for the Creator by buying witches for the lowest possible price.'
BingoBoingo: And I found the green Rio de la Plata parrots on Trilema http://trilema.com/2016/peruvian-immigrants-argentine-natives/
esthlos: trinque: gonna try to get most of this thing done today
deedbot: http://danielpbarron.com/2018/the-unbearable-lightness-of-being/ << Daniel P. Barron - The Unbearable Lightness of Being
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/an-examination-of-conflict/ << Trilema - An examination of conflict
esthlos: question for all: should the gnupg temp files be deleted in all_ cases of a failed press? perhaps someone might want it for debugging?
mircea_popescu: afaik the idea is to go to our own rsa eventuyally anyway
mod6: alright, both machines finally installed with Gentoo & 4.9.4 GCC.
mod6: Thanks for the help all.
mod6: srs aventure this weekend
mod6: an adventure too.
mod6: how's it goin mircea_popescu?
mircea_popescu: not bad.
mod6: right on.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-13 20:01 asciilifeform: or, p. 1., 'question' xviii, '...why do not witches become rich? Secondly, why, having the favour of princes, do they not co-operate for the destruction of all their enemies? Thirdly, why are they unable to injure Preachers and others who persecute them?
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron, figure of speech
trinque: danielpbarron: eh you know, I was going to call the book the (apparent) movie is based upon garbage, but gears began to turn, and if recollection serves, the thing's a passable depiction of what happens to meaning in the aftermath of destroyed structures of authority, a la mircea_popescu
trinque: the narcissism of each character is cartoonish, but here we are amidst even more cartoonish pieces of shit claiming their bundle of infantile urges is an identity.