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hanbot: whyty :)
mod6: site is looking good too - everything working as it should be now?
hanbot: pretty much. header and footer are off by one pixel but i'm saving that fix for next time i feel all ocd. i'm very happy with the hosting!
mod6: Alright, good to hear. :]
mod6: mircea_popescu's thorn/winged-paratrooper boob stinging story; reminds me of a time I was cutting down a tree and a wasps nest was in there - it was hot out and I had my shirt off. the fuckers flew down my pants, stung me in the ass like a hundred times.
mircea_popescu: pretty great header i thought.
mircea_popescu: mod6, ahaha. they're territorianal!
mod6: oh boy, i found out indeed.
mod6: had me jumping over a fence and running, stripping off all my clothes.
trinque: ahaha that is a picture.
mod6: lol, it sucked.
mod6: after getting hosed down, went back to work.
mod6: i dont have pics, which i totally regret not taking, but this past february I found a giant (think, basketball size) paperwasp nest in one of my huge Silver Maple trees. Had it cut down. That thing looked like it was gonna have a mega-count of the bastards.
mod6: Thing landed in the snow, and I quickly used a hockey stick to shove it into a contractor bag. Nothing flew out -- but they say that the larve somehow survive the cold up here.
mod6: *whew*
mircea_popescu: i once took one apart in straight alcohol
mircea_popescu: maybe golfball sized tho
hanbot: http://trilema.com/2011/viesparium/ << obligatory. hymenoptera sux
mircea_popescu: ya that's the one
mircea_popescu: these are harmless guys tho.
mod6 looks
hanbot: lol "harmless"
mod6: wow, this is quite the accounting of these beasts
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FCD084BE15CBB28BA33D5BA8453105B83669AD42641B17D409D4355ADF08B477 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1542...2319 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.96.147.5 (ssh-rsa key from 87.96.147.5 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (wbm1upp01.magasin1.se. SE C)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B3BFBA23F2BF795EEA507FAF666E87AC01A60B8EC765408B8439BE374479E235 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1795...8127 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '176.109.130.222 (ssh-rsa key from 176.109.130.222 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown PL)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/01CCA0E67F766B697F22E540F70D19F00270DF95C858468CA531B641062FC23F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1795...8127 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '180.175.20.53 (ssh-rsa key from 180.175.20.53 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown CN 31)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B3BFBA23F2BF795EEA507FAF666E87AC01A60B8EC765408B8439BE374479E235 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1795...8127 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '176.109.130.222 (ssh-rsa key from 176.109.130.222 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown PL)
deedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/071-cl-gpg.html << The Tar Pit - Interfacing Common Lisp programs with GPG the (nearly) painless way
trinque: wtf. you're using format?! yet used uiop, but didn't bother to use their escape-shell-token ?
spyked: the post doesn't purport to be a guide in correct common lisp programming (issues with those functions are explicitly discussed at the end). anyway, trinque, what's wrong with format?
spyked: (other than the issues mentioned in the post)
trinque: I dunno why anyone would write a blog post proposing "shell out" and then omit the proper handling of inputs as out of article scope
spyked: only one reason: brevity. had I solved this, then I would also have to solve "GPG error codes" and all the other problems that GPGME solves. the point was to avoid this complexity altogether for what I'm doing.
spyked: anyway, thanks for the escape-shell-token tip trinque, I'm looking into it and will update the post.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-15#1542346 << uiop hasn't the best reputation ftr
a111: Logged on 2016-09-15 15:08 phf: i think asdf is evil, version 3 is doing some straight up systemd shit. for those who don't know asdf 3 comes with fare's own portability layer called uiop, which in a very systemd agressive and underhanded style is superseding existing utility libraries.
spyked: good to know, I'll add an example using sbcl's run-program. iirc drakma (or one of the libraries it depends on) forced me to update to asdf3 because of uiop dependency, when getting cl-feed-parser to run.
mod6: mornin'
spyked: morning mod6
mod6: how goes spyked?
spyked: pretty good, learning new things about the common lisp environment. :)
mod6: Right on, I'm just reading your post here. :]
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-27#1805906 << asdf3 is pretty much standard in all the lisps right now, you have to go out of the way to downgrade. at the very least avoid implicit uiop dependency and declare it in your asdf file (this is by the way even fare's recommendation, but people ignore it "oh i have asdf3, means i can just throw a sneak uiop:foo all over my code)
a111: Logged on 2018-04-27 13:34 spyked: good to know, I'll add an example using sbcl's run-program. iirc drakma (or one of the libraries it depends on) forced me to update to asdf3 because of uiop dependency, when getting cl-feed-parser to run.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-27#1805899 << format is _notorious_ way to get a shell command injection. we had one uncovered by douchebag just two weeks ago in one of the republic's automated processes
a111: Logged on 2018-04-27 12:59 spyked: the post doesn't purport to be a guide in correct common lisp programming (issues with those functions are explicitly discussed at the end). anyway, trinque, what's wrong with format?
spyked: I understand that, I even put an example of command injection in the post. I thought there was some other reason.
phf: but you don't even have to jump through the hoops of escaping, most lisp's run program implementations, uiop including, support passing in command as a list of strings, which are in turn handled properly by the underlying machinery
phf: tl;dr :>
phf: alternative approach is e.g. (uiop/run-program:run-program (list "ls" "/"))
spyked: anyway, I've learned a few useful things today and I'm adding them as (hopefully brief!) updates :D
trinque: cool
phf: spyked: what i'm saying is that you can avoid the injection without even introducing any new elements, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/gYkxc/
trinque first says "ohey p.bvulpes has lisp highlighting!" then "oh wait, lack of escaping as a feature"
trinque: it's a good example and a bad example all in one
phf: :D
spyked: neat phf, I had no idea that was possible. I was going to add some assert/check-type calls anyway though.
trinque: isn't "rm -rf /" the correct type?
trinque: er, with a ; at the front
spyked: :))
a111: Logged on 2018-04-27 12:42 deedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/071-cl-gpg.html << The Tar Pit - Interfacing Common Lisp programs with GPG the (nearly) painless way
lobbes: Neato spyked. I'm sure I'll be putting your guide to practical use once it comes time to implement the self-voicing bit of the eventual tickerbot I'm building
lobbes: I've found myself squirreling away these paradropped ru-isms >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-26#1805802
a111: Logged on 2018-04-26 19:35 asciilifeform: the d00d throwing away his sores, is classical 'назло кондуктору: куплю билет пойду пешком!' analchild maculae
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-27#1805903 << poor spyked keeps getting blindsided with this sorta item. how you holding up in there, yo
a111: Logged on 2018-04-27 13:20 spyked: anyway, thanks for the escape-shell-token tip trinque, I'm looking into it and will update the post.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-27#1805906 <<< it's how you say drepper in lisp.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-27 13:34 spyked: good to know, I'll add an example using sbcl's run-program. iirc drakma (or one of the libraries it depends on) forced me to update to asdf3 because of uiop dependency, when getting cl-feed-parser to run.
asciilifeform: or, can also verb: drepping
mircea_popescu: or can also eat shit and die.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-27#1805922 << if you're going to "--clearsign" why not "-aer uid" for the same money ?
a111: Logged on 2018-04-27 14:36 phf: spyked: what i'm saying is that you can avoid the injection without even introducing any new elements, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/gYkxc/
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that -- punishment. drepping -- the crime.
mircea_popescu: the crime and the punishment are indistinguishable in all divine systems.
mircea_popescu: "in theory there is no difference..."
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/04/27/the-triump-of-will-yet-another-infinity-war-review/ << Bingo Blog - The Triump Of Will: Yet Another Infinity War Review
asciilifeform: triumph?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Definitely. The right fellow wins.
BingoBoingo: Of course pantsuit will retcon it with a sequel
BingoBoingo: But Provided this is taken as the end of the story, it is the right ending
mircea_popescu: you spelled it without an h
BingoBoingo: I'm used to seeing It spelled in my head as Trump, thusly fixed
BingoBoingo: A man on a gruelling mission acquires one McGuffin which will allow him to finally rest, and begins a race against time as the forces of socialism and fake humanitarian scammers align against him.
jurov: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-27#1805901 In 99 cases out of 100 shell is not needed and honest-to-God execve() is sufficient
a111: Logged on 2018-04-27 13:00 trinque: I dunno why anyone would write a blog post proposing "shell out" and then omit the proper handling of inputs as out of article scope
jurov: no idea why common lisp is so obtuse about it
asciilifeform: jurov: i can't resist to ask -- how's that, and vs what
trinque: jurov: can't blame the forklift when it runs over the operator
jurov: i mean, execve does not mutilate any parameters passed to it
jurov: because it does not execute shell but the command directly
mircea_popescu: i dont' get it, lisp shellout to execve ?
jurov: lisp calls shell with command and parameters. Shell then splits the parameters (and expands variables and many other things uncalled for) and pass them to execve syscall anyway.
mircea_popescu: so basically use it like a wrapper
mircea_popescu thought both exec and execve are ~same, except one passes a list.
lobbes: I thought he meant to cut out the shell middleman entirely and just directly call execve()?
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/741F83D180F194CFCEBD19BAD698A5DCAE9DFFB03F14A1687DC41D44706846DD << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1598...9993 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '27.254.152.70 (ssh-rsa key from 27.254.152.70 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (mail.10gb-host.net. TH)
trinque: jurov: lobbes: https://github.com/sbcl/sbcl/blob/master/src/code/run-program.lisp#L610 << apologies for shithub, but it does use execve on at least sbcl.
trinque: even if some other wrapper is using only shellout, has to be firing up that shell *somehow*, right?
jurov: trinque: i dun parse
trinque: meh.
jurov: No, you don't need shell to execute other programs.
trinque: that is not what I said, at all.
jurov: so what did you say?
jurov: trinque (run-program "ls" '() :SEARCH T)
mircea_popescu: lobbes, they're all the middleman
jurov: for example, if sbcl ran the command using shell, this would have side effect of actually running touch: (run-program "ls" '("`touch /tmp/evil`") :SEARCH T)
asciilifeform: why puzzle, see output of strace
asciilifeform: ( spoiler : jurov is right )
trinque: huh. that's pretty sad then.
asciilifeform: ( at least re my copy of sbcl )
mircea_popescu is pretty impressed, had nfi.
trinque: I don't see an extra shell in there, unless they hand-off via "exec"
mircea_popescu: there's no exec per se is there ?
trinque: (run-program "/bin/dd" '("if=/dev/zero")) << I see nothing but sbcl with dd for child
trinque: mircea_popescu: I mean the shell command, only way I can conceive ^ happening if it is indeed using the shell
trinque: jurov: looks to me like that :search parameter is indeed evil, DWIMs and runs in shell
asciilifeform: trinque: that's consistent with execv call
asciilifeform: ( possibly at issue here is abuse of terminology -- folx call this 'shelling out' but e.g. /bin/sh does not run )
asciilifeform: ^ re the dd example, if it wasn't clear
trinque: whether the thing has a "bite your dick off" switch, or bites your dick off by default, either way discussing degree of idiocy, I fully agree.
asciilifeform: in unix world it is the buttons that ~don't~ biteyerdickoff , that are remarkable.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/04/kanye-makes-pantsuit-media-headlines-while-outlets-refuse-to-acknowledge-growing-hotep-movement/ << Qntra - Kanye Makes Pantsuit Media Headlines While Outlets Refuse To Acknowledge Growing Hotep Movement
BingoBoingo: ^ trump's second term is coming along nicely if his bodily integrity holds up
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw5bYlTs9Wk in other lulz, pantsuit handpuppet attempts cultural appropriotion
BingoBoingo: They were promised laser spears and flying rocket Pyramids. USG.Disney fucked up not aligning Wakanda with our hero Thanos.
mircea_popescu: it's pretty lulzy how threatened they are.
mircea_popescu: apparently the 1970s "black men know how to organize la revolucion innately, instinctively, and only" nonsense that impelled inepty prisses a la hillary rodham to her ultimate impalement on a stake of lulz are still with them!
mircea_popescu: they actually believe black men are somehow demographically relevant, god bless their souls.
BingoBoingo: #woke >> "Black Lives Matter wishes to appeal to the moral nature of a people that have shown no signs of having a moral compass. Hoteps believe this is assinine. Black Lives Matter would rather complain about the damage the “white man” has done to their communities instead of fixing the issues themselves. BLM wishes to protest and Hoteps do not. BLM will not acknowledge the black on black crime in the community while Hoteps do.
BingoBoingo: BLM does not believe that black economics will cure many of the black communities problems and Hoteps have reason to believe otherwise."
BingoBoingo: Well, In USSA they are good for enough of a swing to make more than enough laffs
mircea_popescu: why not pick the mexicans to be your salvation, at least the shorties like to work.
mircea_popescu: and there's just as irrelevantly but slightly more of them.
BingoBoingo: The Mexicans like to work, inevitably turn great again. That's why Pantsuit is trying to lure the ones who didn't come to work in 1960-2004 in now.
mircea_popescu: i suppose the nonsense does have some batshit internal logic.
BingoBoingo: It has a rough skeleton. Like a big tent. Liek their own metaphor.
mircea_popescu: i guess so huh.
BingoBoingo will confess to seeing the first English language (spanish subtitles) showing of what the authors call "Avengers: Infinity War" Eating one of the local "magic" baked goods T-1 hour before showing, and spending most of the time Thanos wasn't gloating over a WOT filter for this balancing
BingoBoingo: * wondering why Thanos wasn't gloating
BingoBoingo: The theater was filled with young Uruguayos who *clapped* when their favorites appeared on screen. (I have since been told clapping because things happen in movies is normal here) Thusly I clapped when their favorites died at the hands of my favorite.
BingoBoingo: And yes, the quality of CGI has fallen dramatically over the past 10 years. A good chunk of the film was dominated by video game characters pasted onto a map made out of what the real cameras captured.
mircea_popescu: i've yet to see one of those cgi wonders. but it's pretty obvious when they switch, like say in grande belezza, when those flamingos show up, the sky is supposed to bhe like whatever, sky-of-rapture i guess
mircea_popescu: but it totally looks like sky-of-bits
BingoBoingo: Complete with clothing that moved like... video game shit. Clothes moving in unison with the silhouette instead of like cloth.
BingoBoingo: The rotoscope detail on the faces, but.. when asked how much of the clothed torso should animators have to track the execs answered "none"
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: this is a pronounced backslide compared to the CGI in 2003's Hulk movie
ben_vulpes: spreading!
BingoBoingo: Or 2011's Planet of the Apes movie
mircea_popescu: this "could revolutionize" is by now how jews say "bullshit not worth reading". it's a sort of rel=nofollow for zeks.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> but it totally looks like sky-of-bits << The great lulz in is how much effort they put into te skys, faces, and armor yet revert to common failure modes on... Shirts!
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F1ED5F9D4B2AF299C23329206CB58D4C01D46AB6B49CE687D609BE1E707B0745 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2974...8743 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '41.178.64.153 (ssh-rsa key from 41.178.64.153 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown EG)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4CA047A1DC3B4DD0A2254C9274AB5B4A4B5AECD404AE95EEEE0DE227113F35E1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2974...8743 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '94.230.125.74 (ssh-rsa key from 94.230.125.74 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (840.rt-barnaul-02.dianet.ru. RU)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E17BC3E38DABD1C91A27D226FC57B2ACFEB88E913F4D218985717FDD514FB934 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2974...8743 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '123.16.255.60 (ssh-rsa key from 123.16.255.60 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (static.vnpt.vn. VN 64)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4D06D8481441CD5F5CE45274A5CED690CAED25EFB721DF8809C5178A3D26574C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2974...8743 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.9.43.26 (ssh-rsa key from 195.9.43.26 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown RU MOW)
BingoBoingo: In other lulz this week, a born and breed Uruguayo approached me this week asking advice on doing business with Norte Americanos this week. He was completely confounded that Gringos del Norte do not want to wait until after 3-4 skype "meetings" before making a decision. I explained I am in LATAM for reasons, but it would be to his advantage to streamline his shit so he is ready to sell it when the customer is ready to buy
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what was he selling ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: He and an few other Uruguayos do website renovations
asciilifeform: renovations?! they rust?!?
BingoBoingo: Apparently
BingoBoingo: Either that or the browsers rust
BingoBoingo: He was not the fellow who earlier inquired on what sort of shared hosting prices I could offer that might sway him from the under 3 USD a month contract he entered into "Hostgator". That was a Redhat JVM developer.
BingoBoingo is accepting his role as zoo animal, living amongst the others.
asciilifeform: aa lol the usg provocateur d00d
asciilifeform: ( picture, why would rathead suddenly ask after pizarro )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: This was actually asked in February. Right before my logistics fail. And yes he has greasy rat hair.
BingoBoingo: Balked when I did napkin math with him
BingoBoingo suggested he buy a cheap-o refurb tower and then walked him through space power math.
BingoBoingo: Also, the green birds from http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/04/25/remedial-skills-camera-walk-rtfm-edition/ La Peruana insists are Loros, but I am calling bullshit on her because Loros talk.
BingoBoingo: After I put in some effort trying to teach them to say nigger
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C221D63144C2297870888E6712BF15F1E4A5E3C4403DCFCEEF46BFD1813141C9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1427...9357 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '81.93.248.152 (ssh-rsa key from 81.93.248.152 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (vps01.atlantem.net. FR)
BingoBoingo: But if they are Loros that would explain why I occasionally hear "Todo bien" coming from los arboles
asciilifeform: i didn't notice any 'proper' parrot in BingoBoingostan. only the little green argentine type.
asciilifeform: afaik those dun talk..
asciilifeform: ( or.. do they?? mircea_popescu knows ? )
BingoBoingo: Those are the little green ones. I am going to see.
mircea_popescu: the green guys are parrots, why not ?
BingoBoingo: Cool, then next week gotta teach them to meme
mircea_popescu: it's not a natural functuionm, you realise, like fucking. gotta spend time to TEACH THEM.
asciilifeform laboured under the notion that parrots in city oughta emit such sounds as motorcycle vroom, horns, etc
mircea_popescu: even mockingbirds do that.
BingoBoingo: These guys hang by the Puertito
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/741F83D180F194CFCEBD19BAD698A5DCAE9DFFB03F14A1687DC41D44706846DD << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1471...9097 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '27.254.152.70 (ssh-rsa key from 27.254.152.70 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (mail.10gb-host.net. TH)
douchebag: Have you guys seen the BGP hijack that allowed a bunch of peopels Ethereum to be stolen?
mircea_popescu: o hey, how's the rockchip working for you douchebag ?
douchebag: it's working - still getting used to Gentoo
douchebag: Haven't really worked much with Gentoo so it's a bit of learning
asciilifeform: douchebag: lemme know if you run into problems. also see my www, i posted a recipe for how to make the same box at home, to test on.
mircea_popescu: but why would he lol. box is there to test on already.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the most obvious reason would be if he wants to make own linux for it.
asciilifeform: ( this goes for all potential subscribers. )
mircea_popescu: may be a while yet.
douchebag: hey actually
douchebag: asciilifeform:
douchebag: The url of the encrypted file w/ credentials for the vps is missing
asciilifeform: we dun have a vps
asciilifeform: and what file
asciilifeform: how am i to know what this was ?
douchebag: Okay so ben vulpes sent me that link
douchebag: and it gave me the ssh creds
asciilifeform: douchebag: this was presumably your rockchip login ? if as you said you are 'getting used to gentoo', you already have it ?
asciilifeform: or you lost yer copy, or what
douchebag: oooh nevermid
douchebag: thanks to lobbes bot I found an archive of it
asciilifeform is confused : douchebag only now thought to log in to the box for 1st time ??
douchebag: with all pgp stuff I decrypt
douchebag: i save it as x.asc
douchebag: and just copy in the new gpg msg
douchebag: and I had overwritten it
douchebag: and thought I lost the gpg message that contained my credentials
douchebag: going to generate an rsa key for logging into it now
asciilifeform: so what was the 'getting used to gentoo' about ?
asciilifeform: got own gentoo box at home ?
douchebag: I've always used Arch and I currently use MacOS as my primary OS
douchebag: What's your main OS?
asciilifeform: gentoo.
douchebag: What are some of the reasons you prefer using it?
asciilifeform: !#s from:asciilifeform gentoo
a111: 301 results for "from:asciilifeform gentoo", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Aasciilifeform%20gentoo
asciilifeform: ^ see log
asciilifeform: https://archive.li/TzRKT << in noose lulz. ' “We don’t care, we think you’re a criminal, and I’m sorry but Microsoft wants your head on a platter and I’m going to give it to them.” Those are the words that the US attorney said to me in that meeting, face to face.'
douchebag: Yeah, I never really got much into Gentoo because it always takes so damn long to install everything from source
asciilifeform: depends on how much your 'everything' weighs, neh
asciilifeform: for instance, rebuilding world on the rockchip ( a quite modest comp ) takes about a day and a half
asciilifeform: and this incl. ~all~ contents, incl compiler
asciilifeform: how much 'everything' do you actually need.
douchebag: well like for instance
douchebag: I'm installing vim on the rockchip box right now
douchebag: and it's been like 20 minutes
asciilifeform: kill it. and read mod6's experience in #pizarro
asciilifeform: you gotta ban xorg if yer a vim user
asciilifeform: or it will try to build xorg
asciilifeform: which you do NOT want on that box
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-04-22 17:04 asciilifeform: you didn't ban xorg
asciilifeform wonders why this required a screenshit
mircea_popescu: this is going well i see...
asciilifeform: douchebag: ls -ltr /var/log/portage and find the emerge log and you can see what it does.
asciilifeform: ( see the mod6 thread . )
asciilifeform: douchebag: historically i've found that setting up a gentoo box to 'workstation' standard takes 2-3 wks. (depending , though less than you might think, on the speed of the comp.) fortunately 99+% of the work has already been done for you on that box.
mod6: Evenin'
asciilifeform: heya mod6
mod6: How goes today?
asciilifeform: mod6: still recovering from whatever that was i picked up.
mod6: Ugh! Hopefully you can get some extra rest this weekend then.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-28#1806104 << criminal org slowly shedding the pretense.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-28 00:17 asciilifeform: https://archive.li/TzRKT << in noose lulz. ' “We don’t care, we think you’re a criminal, and I’m sorry but Microsoft wants your head on a platter and I’m going to give it to them.” Those are the words that the US attorney said to me in that meeting, face to face.'
asciilifeform: been a while since i heard of anybody jailed for ~selling~ warez on physical disk tho. i was convinced these died with the '90s
mircea_popescu: eh, they have this whole menagerie of "trutfully relevant and working sir!" patent medicines.
mircea_popescu: "the sting operation". "the proof". the blabla
asciilifeform: dun forget 'the signed confession' (not yet from him, supposedly, but there is always next day)
mircea_popescu: righ right. "the plea bargain".
asciilifeform: how'd it go, confessio est regina probationum (tm)(r)
mircea_popescu: it's reached epileptic trees level of self-referential nonsense by now.
asciilifeform: or prolly better known today in ru, from the mouth of vyshinsky, 'Признание - царица доказательств'
mircea_popescu: and through it all, perhaps the most amusing part, their wholly spurious pretense that ~everyone~ gives a shit ; fly it in the face of plain and ubiquitous evidence that a single soul that does can not be found for love or money.
mircea_popescu: fly it in the face of all evidence all it will ; in the mental patients' inner world, "law enforcement" is as much a thing as any other structured delusion.
asciilifeform: this kinda thing happily carries on right until the moment the plank drops and the noose tightens, at nuremberg
mircea_popescu: if history's any guide.
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