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trinque: I'm not committing to a time
trinque: midday in texas
douchebag: Alright sounds good man, thanks!
trinque: phf: trying to press your vtools using mod6's V 99993
trinque: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/LlO7Z/?raw=true << doesn't seem like it's flowing the whole way down one branch, unless I've got tired eyes over here
trinque: only thing I do to modify V is make the seals dir not dotted.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-09 04:25 hanbot: phf et al: attempted to press latest vtools to the keccak head. v (mod6's) reports vtools_vpatch_newline not in flow, neither its antecedent vtools_fixes_static_tohex, despite both patches and (verified good) sigs present (they neither show up via flow command). v will press to vtools_vpatch.vpatch, but no further. see http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/oNRhE/?raw=true .
phf: trinque: it wouldn't, i believe there's an antecedent->dependency transformation issues (i.e. the transform in mod6 v is adhoc, so it can't handle the tricky antecedent graph). the approach hanbot used was to just use the patches from the left branch of the graph, until, per mircea_popescu's request, i write a general purpose v graph code.
trinque: understood, thank you
a111: Logged on 2018-04-09 14:31 mircea_popescu: a right. hanbot do me a favour : download ~only~ those patches which are in the leftmost trunk seen on phf's viewer (so exclude vtools_vdiff_sha, and its dependents) and try to flow again ?
ckang: !!up trigglygirl
deedbot: trigglygirl voiced for 30 minutes.
trigglygirl: 😃 here for picture
mircea_popescu: trigglygirl, b899a0b9.
trinque: phf: cool, pressed and built
trinque: heh, got an alpha in there
trigglygirl: Math habit
douchebag: !!up MichelleCx
deedbot: MichelleCx voiced for 30 minutes.
MichelleCx: I'm here for picture
douchebag: !!up MichelleCx
deedbot: MichelleCx voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !!pay haleyyyyy 0.02
mircea_popescu: !!pay trigglygirl 0.02
mircea_popescu: and with this, ladies and gents, the FOUR YEAR tits for bits hole closes.
mircea_popescu: tell the story to your daughters and granddaughters, so they may know that playing-it-safe and waiting-to-see is not the way to live in this world.
ckang: heh dang lemme tell these 2 cant do then
mircea_popescu: which two
ckang: i was talking to another who wanted to do it
MichelleCx: can I do it?
mircea_popescu: MichelleCx, nope. too late.
MichelleCx: aww :c
MichelleCx: can I do anything else?
mircea_popescu: well, you could read the log.
mircea_popescu: aite, everyone's paid, too. enjoy your bits, titties!
ckang: good times
mircea_popescu can hear trinque sighing in relief from here.
ckang: haha i bet
douchebag: mircea_popescu: Do I get a bonus for bringing in hella tits :D
trinque: hey, I learned to be less racist against crackwhores. who knew.
mircea_popescu: douchebag, did you ever get that rockchip btw ?
mircea_popescu: trinque, crackwhores are whores too!
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, i thought it was "ready to go" and everything days ago ?
ckang: if you ever do anything similar im down but gonna stick around and see where this goes ;p
douchebag: lol ckang think of how many tits the two of us brought in lol
ckang: ive not counted
douchebag: just showing on the "ill pay for your tits site thing"
ckang: mircea_popescu: how many btw did you end up with?
douchebag: for me lol
douchebag: i know there's more not listed there though
mircea_popescu: how many whats ?
mircea_popescu: oh. i dunno, 60 something, 70
douchebag: there's 23 girls listed on "ill pay for your tits" that I pulled in
mircea_popescu: douchebag, im lazy, there's a whole chunk here that i've not yet ul'd
douchebag: yeah I know I was just coutning lol
douchebag: mircea_popescu: so me and ckang don't get any reward for the effort though ?
mircea_popescu: not more than you already got, no.
mircea_popescu: sucks huh.
douchebag: no early retirement from titties now I guess
mircea_popescu: how much did you actually keep off it ?
douchebag: $1200
mircea_popescu: well, $1200 worth of 2013 btc would sure be a retirement todaty
ckang: lol yea it would be
mircea_popescu recalls the lulzy days of "market price" back when i was buying them at 2.20 - 2.50 dollars a pop
mircea_popescu: becauuse totally, "bitcoin price in fiat". that's a thing.
douchebag: I paid $500 in advertisements today though :/
mircea_popescu: how's that work ?
douchebag: $200 for the pimp lady to get a 3 girls
douchebag: $300 for a discord server that shares nudes
douchebag: for 3 days
mircea_popescu: why's a discord server cost ?!
douchebag: it has like 5k people in it
mircea_popescu: so what do you get for $300 ?
douchebag: a channel in their discord server
douchebag: called tit charity
mircea_popescu: so it's $100 per day per channel ?!
ckang: yea people treat discords like businesses these days, they even sell large servers
ckang: pretty wild
mircea_popescu: now we understand why the discord meme. i imagine it's pretty good money selling "5k imaginary users" to you ppl.
douchebag: well
douchebag: I have 2 girls right now ready to go
douchebag: but obv that's nto happening anymore :/
mircea_popescu: douchebag, you're not proposing anyone else anywhere else can extract anything like that sort of utility out of the shitpile are you ?
douchebag: elaborate?
mircea_popescu: the "5k user discord server" is not substantially different from a piece of paper on which you wrote the number 5 followed by the letter k, or for that matter paul graham's yahoo scam ( http://trilema.com/2015/investigations-in-the-bone-heap-of-the-lost-generation-today-mashable/#footnote_6_59020 / http://trilema.com/2014/the-psychology-of-the-bagholder/#selection-117.0-117.539 ).
mircea_popescu: the right end of that business is to be SELLING the servers to people like you.
mircea_popescu: it's funny how usg history repeats itself : the elite uses the mass to rape the middle class. guy with a little dough and a little brain gets eaten into this "pay the brahmin to use the cattle herd" scheme again and again and again.
douchebag: well, I mean if you didn't end it right now I would have made it all back lol
mircea_popescu: yes. but this source you have found is not simply one or two or three sigmas away from average. it is an uncountable, perhaps a literal infinity of sigmas away from average.
mircea_popescu: it's a rapture-level event, so to speak.
mircea_popescu: you understand that the difference between the ill-pay-for-your-tits value-evaluation-function over this field of items and the anything-else value-evaluation-function over the same field isn't 10x or 100x, either. people routinely have trouble extracting as much as a cent per thousand ; that'd be 10e6x
ckang: im just grateful for the opportunity, any income is income when between work
mircea_popescu: ckang, well, i kinda like to leverage spot experience into more general theory. let's say it's a weakness of mine.
ckang: spot experience as in brief?
mircea_popescu: as in the above thing. a spot of experience.
mircea_popescu: you know, he attempted to run a little business, i'm attempting to help him make sense of it.
mircea_popescu: in my twisted mind, that's a fair trade.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu douchebag http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Fgc0N/?raw=true holy crap so sorry about that, lost track of needing to actually send creds in the shuffle yesterday
douchebag: thanks <3
hanbot: esthlos: mazel tov, thanks for testing
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: end of an era, eh?
ben_vulpes: what a run
mircea_popescu: was kinda getting tedious.
mircea_popescu: but yes, end of an era.
ben_vulpes: mass production ruins everything, artisinal tits ftw
ben_vulpes: night y'all
ckang: greetings
asciilifeform slowly eats log..
ckang: yea not too much, been quiet
mod6: hey hey hey, lbj!
BingoBoingo: !!rate asciilifeform 10 Met in person, Verified lover of cats, engineer
BingoBoingo: !!v BE5548591C27289CC50746A5BF15E17AE52FEF136909DC744DCF68F32EF378FA
deedbot: BingoBoingo updated rating of asciilifeform from 10 to 10 << Met in person, Verified lover of cats, engineer
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/04/assad-returns-legion-of-honor-award-to-slave-france/ << Qntra - Assad Returns "Legion of Honor" Award To "Slave" France
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/04/us-sorghum-boats-looking-for-new-markets-after-china-implements-anti-dumping-measures/ << Qntra - US Sorghum Boats Looking For New Markets After China Implements Anti-Dumping Measures
mircea_popescu: !!up pinochle
deedbot: pinochle voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: aand who might you be ?
pinochle: no one, yet
pinochle: just a reader of the logs to this point
pinochle: working on implementation
BingoBoingo: <pinochle> no one, yet << What about your pre-history? Who is your daddy and what does he do?
ckang: i just noticed, theres no way to go back to the epoch of the logs
ckang: short of manually iterating through the dates
ben_vulpes: pinochle: reg a key and build a name now, lest you build the thing and nobody uses it because who is this person
pinochle: BingoBoingo: dad was a salesman, his dad drove trucks
pinochle: ben_vulpes: yes, registered a key in wot
pinochle: also agreed on second part, existing in wot and possessing requisite trust are separate matters
mircea_popescu: lol you hear that danielpbarron ? randos coming in to eat your luncvh, better hurry up.
mircea_popescu: ckang, what do you mean, epoch ?
mircea_popescu: !!key pinochle
mircea_popescu: !!rate pinochle 1 noob.
ckang: the start
mircea_popescu: ckang, you mean, day one ?
ckang: yea
ckang: or if there is, im failing at finding it on the page
pinochle: BingoBoingo: other history: in the past I was a trader, predominantly futures. studied probability, my work now mainly consists of constructing prediction models
mircea_popescu: there's two day ones : there's day one of #trilema... un check it out, dragon went away huh ?precipitated by http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-28#1440673 ; then there's the day 1 of #bitcoin-assets, http://btcbase.org/log/2012-04-15 (precipitated by http://trilema.com/2014/a-little-bit-of-bitcoin-history/ ). it was #bitcoin-otc before that, but by now we're going way too far into the embryonic life of a yet entirely undistinguis
a111: Logged on 2016-03-28 13:11 mircea_popescu: upon consideration, i see no reason to continue supporting or otherwise encourage kakobrekla's bizarre worldview. on the contrary, i view further involvement with the nonsense as considerable moral hazard, and a miserable thing to do altogether.
mircea_popescu: hable item-to-be
mircea_popescu: pinochle, but you're not herbi are you ?
mircea_popescu: !!up pinochle
deedbot: pinochle voiced for 30 minutes.
pinochle: is herbi a person? if so, no
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids, similar professional interests.
ben_vulpes: guy who lost his key and shirt
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, you might be thinking of yet another one ?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: didn't he lose the market-making game against BingoBoingo ?
mircea_popescu: wasn't that bugpowder ?
ben_vulpes: on atc
ben_vulpes: nono surely not bugpowder
mircea_popescu: you might be right, my memory's fuzzing out at the edges.
ben_vulpes: DEATH COMES FOR US ALL
mircea_popescu: did you ever play that ?
mircea_popescu: (it's DEATH COMES FOR YOU ALL!!! in the original)
ben_vulpes: diablo or what
mircea_popescu: baldur's gate. the little crazed dwarf.
ben_vulpes: oh shit yeah
ben_vulpes: i tried to get that running recently; never finished that game
ben_vulpes: i also lost interest because its not a text interface to eulora so why bother kill yourself instead
mircea_popescu: and since we're doing this : there's also FOR THE CLANS!!! from "disciples", an ancient but really great game ; and WANT SOME, GET SOME! from a very popular set of browser tower defenses.
mircea_popescu: diablo is, of course, "the gates of asheron..."
mircea_popescu: though act 2 interule is probably the best part.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ updated with closing statement.
ben_vulpes: so i was over at a friends place yesterday and he showed me this "cloud cryptocurrency trading bot" (actually a barely-sentient js algo trading browserapp); best lols of which were a "reset profit/loss
ben_vulpes: " button because "i didn't get it right before, i'll make money this time", and also i shit thee not a panic sell-everything button
mircea_popescu: how's that bit from psychology of bagholder, "succeeds at feeling like a trader, whioch was the point" ?
ben_vulpes: definitely not targeting problem gamblers and people who want to feel like traders
mircea_popescu: dude succeeds at feeling like a trade bot programmer. the reset is integral.
ben_vulpes: thing comes complete with etoro preprogrammed bots
mircea_popescu: all he wants are some good vacation snaps, "remember that time in april 2015"
mircea_popescu: butofcourse.
ben_vulpes: "hey man how are you?" "oh just losing my dick in crypto"
ben_vulpes: youdontfuckingsay.png
mircea_popescu: and the lulzuy thing is, ETORO DIDNT EVEN HAVE TO PAY FOR THIS.
mircea_popescu: they support the inca because they want to, not for any other reason.
ben_vulpes: well etoro in the abstract, they have their own hilarious marketplace of preprogrammed bots
ben_vulpes: ohoh also you can subscribe to "trading signals" for x bucks per month (starts at free, goes clear up to the hundreds) and plug them into the bots
ben_vulpes: i cannot even fathom
a111: Logged on 2018-04-20 05:05 mircea_popescu: the "5k user discord server" is not substantially different from a piece of paper on which you wrote the number 5 followed by the letter k, or for that matter paul graham's yahoo scam ( http://trilema.com/2015/investigations-in-the-bone-heap-of-the-lost-generation-today-mashable/#footnote_6_59020 / http://trilema.com/2014/the-psychology-of-the-bagholder/#selection-117.0-117.539 ).
mircea_popescu: in point of fact it's a thing to admire and wonder at, the incredibly refined fucktools these people built.
mircea_popescu: the empire may not be much for anything, but THIS, "how to fuck your own kids", jesus christ this they got down to a fine art.
ben_vulpes: also hey, we've got a datacenter, who's going to write the backpage replacement
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, the who ?
ben_vulpes: online personals site got taken down couple weeks back for facilitating child sex slavery and tax evasion and the usual list of pantsuit crimes du jour
mircea_popescu: either because of that, or because no real money into it.
mircea_popescu: sv item, it hoped to bambozle "investors". without note from stalin affirming their correct rosy color of bits, there's no free fed money.
ben_vulpes: as i understand the story it was more of a craigslist, organically grown to profitability on very few staff and run in steady state for years
mircea_popescu: that is a prospectus lie.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, anyway, in particular the veblen goods of "subscribe to information" is one of the lulziest applications of the whole new-world-protestants-in-skinner-box lulz.
mircea_popescu: i recently mentioned some schmuck that had broken new ground in the field, before turning to dope and there was some stuff with kids and brothers and the usual redneckisms.
mircea_popescu: wtf was his name
mircea_popescu: phf, how do i exclude terms in search ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-03#1792243 <<< theere we go. david wood, empower network.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-03 06:01 mircea_popescu: and in case anyone is missing the usagi era of bitcoin, it didn't end, it just moved on : http://behindmlm.com/companies/empower-network/david-wood-claims-he-can-heal-cancer-herpes-hiv-aids-diabetes/
mircea_popescu: so check out this dood's idea : he figured out (correctly) that the mistake every other utahian/scammer in the mlm / online sales&marketing field makes is, chiseling the pennies. this prevents their growth. so instead of forcing people to buy $50 worth of thin air and keeping 35 out of it, to be distributed in astonishingly pained and complicated ways,
mircea_popescu: he gave 100% rebates. sell $5000 "worth of" imaginary (but "very valuable") "products" of an absent "industry", get $5000 of the sale back as commission!
mircea_popescu: by this strike of genius, you can now be left with the impression that you're in business, selling things. to yourself -- which is the fucking point, all the imperial scams work by your selling things to yourself, from facebook to "rule of law".
mircea_popescu: and the company shows a great balance sheet, also! a trillion in sales!!! fastest growing (see ? FASTEST GROWING ? yes ? http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-20#1803460 ?) company online! "makes" very close to what it "spends"! GREAT INVESTMENT!
a111: Logged on 2018-04-20 02:39 mircea_popescu: understand how the empire of idiots' euphemism threadmill works : they noticed that you go by the heuristic of "published holes", and they've adapted to that (because that's what the idiots are all about, "Exam taking", ie optimizing for the measurement not for the variable measured). so, they keep publishing strainers and calanders, except the sort where YOU don't know the holes. it gives you the warm fuzzy feeling that "The
mircea_popescu: basically it's an extension of the groupon scam (hey, anyone "excited" by the "perspectives" of usg's "business" and "entrepreneuriat" ever think of groupon anymore ? that whole hype bubble of "global warming" / "ozon depletion" whatever popped and... ??? )
mircea_popescu: and it was, too, for a few years before the dood cracked and went on the pipe it was hot stuff.
mircea_popescu: the inescapable fact that in the bubble of insanity resting atop fed's imaginary money a company that spends a trillion to make a trillion is in fact an EXCEPTIONALLY GOOD investment (and google is NOTHING ELSE than this, to be clear, nor are any of the rest of them) will result in the necessary evolution where "here, i've made an imaginary company that trades a trillion with "real people". problem ?
mircea_popescu: then they're stuck communicating what should have been fucking communicated by the workings of money in the economy through other channels. "backpage is color sextraficking and that "very exciting genetic blabla" company is color doubleplusungood and so fucking on. there's no more useless, stupid and soon to be bankrupt, because http://trilema.com/2014/the-problem-of-ideal-social-systems-reprint/
mircea_popescu: build an ideal social system, lose language. or rather -- language dragontails the shit out of your nonsense.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> wasn't that bugpowder ? << It was herbi, bugpowder was gone by then. unless herbi was a tulpa of bugpowder
mircea_popescu: nah, dun think so.
mircea_popescu: also, to belabour the point : anyone who thinks "oh, that guy, really, cure hiv and diabethes ? he must have lost it". NO HE DID NOT ; you understood nothing of the logreading you did so far! think about it : this dood had built self "a brand", ie, there were however many useless muppets who knew who he was / kept track / had him in their rss feed / he had them in his mailing list. this was t0.
mircea_popescu: then at t1 the item went through some phenomena that'd have repelled all thinking individuals.
mircea_popescu: finally coming out of the massive bender at t2, the dude WOULD STILL LIKE TO EAT. how would you eat if you were him ? would you give up, do something else with your time ? he doesn't give up. he's fucking dedicated.
mircea_popescu: what he does is observe that out of his 10mn or w/e list, 9.999 million were culled off in t1. fine. WHATEVER!!!. there's still 10`000 left yes ? what do we know about them ?
mircea_popescu: that they're the sort of fucktard who WASNT CULLED, yes ? they "stuck with him", yes ?
mircea_popescu: who better to sell hiv-diabethes cures to, then ?
mircea_popescu: ~that~ part is perfectly sensible.
asciilifeform finally swapped the ups batteries
asciilifeform: attn folx : node zoolag is back in service
asciilifeform: !!unrate ascii_lander
asciilifeform: !!v FB25F7DF71FB3EDCF96836C31C0DBDB9E14A6F3DAC4A46434ACC83C766BA0936
deedbot: asciilifeform unrated ascii_lander.
asciilifeform: 55.6V << notbad
asciilifeform: apparently these things dun rot on the shelf as fast as i thought
ckang: volts? kind of an odd #, telco ?
asciilifeform: ckang: nominally 48
ckang: yea 48 is the only thing i could think of close
asciilifeform: and yes it's an industrial ups, 'liebert'
ckang: maybe european telco :)
ckang: ive been wanting to spin my own UPS/BMS
ckang: or find a bring your own battery solution but didnt find much available last time i looked
mircea_popescu: ckang, build your own, out of car/truck batteries.
mircea_popescu: they generally can be found very cheap, with a lot of life left in them (that it useful to you, in a 500 item arrangement, but not to the single-item cars)
ckang: yea thats what I was planning on
ckang: reconditioning some old cores
asciilifeform: bah truck battery hates deepcycle
asciilifeform had just such a contraption for some years
BingoBoingo: ckang: If your wattage needs aren't incredible you could always go the smoke detector RTG route
ckang: i could probably even re-use a solar panel BMS system and a decent PSU, charging rate isn't super critical or often
ckang: not familiar with that one
ckang: got me, what is 'smoke detector RTG route'
ckang: not finding much
BingoBoingo: ckang: You take a source of radioactive decay and hook a thermocouple up to it. Smoke detector means you harvest the emiters from the smoke detectors for your decay source.
BingoBoingo: Similar things are used to power light houses, radio beacons, and space probes
ckang: whats this used for? im thinking more of a digital solution
BingoBoingo: It is as maintenance free as such a thing can be
ckang: ohhhhhhhh
ckang: power source
ckang: i feel like trying to buy something like that would bring all sorts of 3 letter agencies to my place
asciilifeform: lol BingoBoingo , world's most expensive power source
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, you don't deepcycle it. that's why you pile a lot of them.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sit long enuff without mains current, and you get deepcycle
asciilifeform: unless ( like e.g. castle mircea_popescustein ) you have diesel backup
mircea_popescu: yes, well, different usecase.
asciilifeform: typically 'large pile' is for moar wattage
asciilifeform: and expectation is that diesel takes over in 3-5min , however long it takes to crank
asciilifeform does not currently have diesel, but also ~never gets outage of moar than 1hr or so; hence has large pile of cells
BingoBoingo: ckang: You could always get your own turbine and go off the grid if you prefer something different. Turbine isn't picky about fuels.
mircea_popescu: the numbers are worth the mention : if you get 500 old truck/high power car batteries, literally, and you put them in 4 lines (gets about 49 - 50V or so), you now have somewhere in the range of 500 * AT LEAST 50 Ah in your hands. that's 25 KWh for the more common measure.
mircea_popescu: takes a while to eat that much ; but yes, if your power outages are days rather than hours, this needs a generator system associated.
mircea_popescu: ckang, "rtg" is how soviets used to power their satellites. put a chunk of cesium or plutonium next to some electric contacts.
asciilifeform: storage for 500 old batteries ( esp of the normal truck type, that vents H2 ) ain't free
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, depends where you live :D but yes.
asciilifeform: in mircea_popescustan -- ~free, put'em in a shed, aha
mircea_popescu: quite. up on this hill, with the winds...
mircea_popescu: airtight would be expensive. well aerated, that's easy.
asciilifeform: i expect corrosion is a bitch in mircea_popescustan tho
mircea_popescu: much less a problem than in wash dc sprintime.
mircea_popescu: springtime*.
mircea_popescu: it's not THAT wet, really.
ckang: i think for most of my stuff, i would like a staged UPS that could power off the least important stuff first (tied to mains, monitors, speakers) then allow enough time for shutdown of other things (possibly using shunts to measure load) and let maybe 1 server stay up and networking gear
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it wasn't 'some contacts', seebek-style bimetallic generator is terrible ; typically they had peltier pile
mircea_popescu: anyway. at least here the 500 could be had for under 10k. which is VERY reasonable considering what "professional" solutions cost ; and how their performance stacks up.
asciilifeform: ( you're prolly thinking of the seebek generator with kerosene wick from 1950s )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i was BEING DERROGATORY ok
asciilifeform: after yrs of grunting with handmade ups, i found the magic pill -- surplus industrial ones
mircea_popescu: that also works. in asciilifeformlands, ~free.
asciilifeform: and turns out not simply pretentious rubbish, they have useful knobs ( to gauge decay , overvoltage, line noise, etc )
asciilifeform: in monkeystan, can't even be had for money, i expect. not without commissioning d00ds with suitcases
BingoBoingo: In other news, asciilifeform left me here with an ice cream habit. I not thought to invesitgate the local ice cream scene in depth until mircea_popescu mentioned it is the necessary accompaniment to long walks. Last night I consumed 1/4 kilo of bananasplit.
ckang: asciilifeform: what did yo end up with for the BMS?
ckang: you*
asciilifeform: ckang: waiwat
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> in monkeystan, can't even be had for money, i expect. not without commissioning d00ds with suitcases << THe pizarro rack is already likely the hightest concentration of RAM in this orcistan
asciilifeform: speaking of which, douchebag , mod6 , ( others ? ) did ben_vulpes give you working keys yet ?
asciilifeform: i delegated the handing-out of box keys to ben_vulpes , he wanted to keep track of ips/people
ben_vulpes: i got douchebag his creds
asciilifeform: ok good
ben_vulpes: mod6: wanted one as well?
asciilifeform: he did say, several times. ping him when he wakes up.
asciilifeform: i dun recall who else wanted; several folx iirc threatened to buy
asciilifeform: ACHTUNG panzers! 4 rockboxen left!11
ckang: mircea_popescu: btw, its #templeos-irc now on rizon, he popped in earlier:
asciilifeform: i'ma do a proper photoreportage re the expedition , but summary is : 100% of iron delivered in working order
asciilifeform: ( all ~100kg of it )
asciilifeform: at a total cost of ~2k ( i'ma do a proper rundown tomorrow ) usd.
asciilifeform: delivered, moorings hammered back into shape , enracked, (where applicable) en-disked, en-os'd, powered, sshkeyed, tested.
asciilifeform: also obtained and set up a 2nd GB switch in rack; and a 220v mains distributor; and a ip kvm ( which annoyingly requires... java on the remote control end, but 'with torch in daylight' to this very day i cannot find ANY ipkvm that does not commit this type of warcrime )
asciilifeform: if anyone needs the kvm, plz page BingoBoingo to plug it in, and asciilifeform to show how to connect to it
asciilifeform: note that rockchip boxen cannot use the kvm, they have no kbd or display
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, earlier, i put a slab of frozen mango jam with some ground ice and a frozen banana in the blender. the resulting slush was duly dolloped in expectant cups. we moved to the balcony and for a little all could be heard was spoons scraping on cup, but then "how long since you showered ?" "umm... yesterday ?" *splat*
mircea_popescu: you have any idea how satisfying it is to splat gelato on tits and things ? VERY!
ckang: there is not a single decent kvm i have ever had the pleasure of using
trinque: ey ben_vulpes apparently terry davis is wandering the streets of portland.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Will have to try that one.
mircea_popescu: indedeed.
mircea_popescu: trinque, o really ? hey ben_vulpes mind doing a mitzvah ?
ben_vulpes: trinque: you know i'm going to go hang out with a favorite ex next week, maybe i'll try to rope him in for a gangbang
BingoBoingo: No hay mangos frescos acá, pero hay duraznos.
trinque: ben_vulpes: charitable!
mircea_popescu: whatever you hay will hafta haye.
ckang: mircea_popescu: see my pastebin
ckang: he popped in today
ckang: about 2hrs ago
BingoBoingo: ckang: Your santanic pastatron offers: " IRCCloud snippets require JavaScript to be displayed. Try viewing the raw version instead. "
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what, bike around in circles looking for the fella?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, well, buy him a steak.
mircea_popescu: 1:07 PM <KingTerry> 15 minute computer limit a day! << o.O
mircea_popescu: sounds like an institution.
ben_vulpes: possibly multcolib
phf: search's broken, i'm live coding..
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i'll email the fella; dinner on you?
mircea_popescu: this guy
ben_vulpes: i am but a poor webdev who ate too much btc last month
ben_vulpes: actually i know just the place
mircea_popescu: i'll put a coupla bitcents towards it, how about that.
ben_vulpes: not the most *marvelous* steaks, but... http://acropolispdx.com/
phf: so i still haven't added a proper general purpose search grammar, but right now you can do e.g.
ben_vulpes: i wonder if he'll object
phf: !#s from:phf "http"
BingoBoingo: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/A3ie0/?raw=true << The end of that convo >> "1:18 PM <ggg> shit, this hobo costs me more than a gf"
phf: !#s from:phf "http" not:btcbase
ckang: ben_vulpes: hes met people before no problem
phf: mircea_popescu: ^
ben_vulpes: ckang: well did you click the link though
ckang: oh no
ckang: let me see
mircea_popescu: phf, what other predicates, not and thassit ?
ckang: haha
ben_vulpes: i love acrop, it's entirely out of my orbits these days though
hanbot: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-4-20#341046 << this seemed a particularly choice bit of variety speak, if for correctness of fit rather than arcaneness.
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-04-20 17:14 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, anyway, in particular the veblen goods of "subscribe to information" is one of the lulziest applications of the whole new-world-protestants-in-skinner-box lulz.
mircea_popescu: hanbot, hey, that's what a good variety speak is for, fit more in head.
phf: mircea_popescu: notfrom, and it's not proper grammar. the whole thing is an AND, and the foo:... commands are constraints. so not is more properly should be called something like "filter:"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, i don't get it, why is there a girl's leg under the email box, are they trying to say they've got sluts or what
ben_vulpes: a+ porno asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: phf, aok
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: 'tis a strip joint
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: there's like 500 pics, these are the ones people iirc specifically asked for
mircea_popescu: terrible site omfg.
ben_vulpes: amazing company!
phf: i will at some point rewrite it to be a more proper (NOT from:ascii) AND beedog OR ... etc. with implicit clauses..
ckang: supermicro?
asciilifeform: ckang: the box types were discussed to death in #pizarro, they are not seekrit
asciilifeform: the subj of photo is the rockchip holder tho.
phf: but right now it's very easy to add foo:... clause. the complete set of these is from:, notfrom:, refs: (specific number of references that the post has), and not:
phf: !#s from:ascii refs:5 not:achtung "http"
asciilifeform: ckang: yours ?
ckang: yea
mircea_popescu: phf, cool ty!
ckang: have 2x 1u a 2u and the 4
asciilifeform: ckang: where do you rack'em ?
mircea_popescu: phf, possibly add a line somewhere in there, maybe as a tooltip ? so i don't ping you again in six months lol
phf: yeah, will do
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, rack@home
ckang: oh nowhere, just home/file stuff
asciilifeform: aaa errybody got some of those yea
phf: i need to document all the different hidden features, e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/?nick=mircea&inline=true
asciilifeform: oh this is pretty neat pheeby
asciilifeform really gotta do sumnthing about this mispheature
phf: i normally read btcbase with nick=phf, but it's not been "announced" because back&forward arrows don't preserve the parameters, something i've been meaning to add for a while now
mircea_popescu: i do about the same thing, i'm grayed out.
mircea_popescu: i credit it with a not-negligible chunk of efficiency-above-average. after all, i know what i fucking said. and if i don't, well, that's a major signal on its own.
asciilifeform: and , meanwhile, speaking of heathens reaping the fruits of heathen isps, cryptome loox finally dead.
mircea_popescu: ftr, i'm not amenable to hosting the asshole. he had plenty of time to register before needing.
asciilifeform: d00d's an unrepentant heathen iirc.
asciilifeform: and i actually suspect that he was eaten some time ago.
mircea_popescu: fuck'em.
mircea_popescu: there's gonna be a what-s-his-name-debian-schmuck common grave for all of them.
asciilifeform: the 'nazi' d00d is also nowhere to be found; ditto
asciilifeform: ( tho i betcha his whole www could run quite happily off 1 'rockchip' )
mircea_popescu: inb4 "cryptome was really a forerunner of ministry of truth" equivalent of "Debian was applestore"
mircea_popescu: which nazi ?
BingoBoingo: Anglin/Weev
asciilifeform: or his gurl, for that mattery
ckang: are you looking for him?
mircea_popescu: you mean the dood that was "going to" do something with crypto stocks, and the
mircea_popescu: n was going to do something with whatever forum, and did nothing ?
mircea_popescu: mmmyeah ok.
trinque: dude's perfectly happy in the world he inhabits, playing shock jockey and "building his brand"
asciilifeform: trinque: and getting booted from heathen.dns, lol
ckang: i wonder how his community reacted when his mom came out re: his heritage
mircea_popescu: !#s from:weev
trinque: nobody could ever 161.0.121.250
ckang: weevlos: 1488
ckang: weevlos: fuck jews
ckang: loool, so funny reading that new, when was it dated?
mircea_popescu: hmm, there was an earlier episode with some sort of "publishing dirt on usg corps and shorting with crypto" unacknowledged F.DERPs rehash.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, you recall this ? was it not in the chan ?
mircea_popescu: ckang, hover over name, it shows the timestamp
ckang: ahh ty
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It was before you went no PMs from strangers, turned into a Trilema post.
mircea_popescu: oh. lessee here
asciilifeform: eh, descent, whothefuck cares, it didn't hard herr schicklegruber's work
asciilifeform: just take care to burn them archives, lol
trinque: course he does; he's the white girl sucking black dick
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/soft-consensus-aka-fecal-matter/#comment-99073 << lol ancient lulz. "Weev and his lawyers can appeal until their faces turn blue, they will get nowhere. " from the quora "experts"
trinque: "mother/father will be so shocked"
ckang: weev is an actual cuck btw, the true definition
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, do you happen to know which ?
ckang: she spilled a bunch of stuff about him
asciilifeform: ckang: as in he pays d00dz to come and fuck his wife while he watches ? or wat
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'll probe real quick. Need a break from this baking Qntra about black cock
ckang: asciilifeform: yea, she said he would watch her get fucked by the neighbor boy
ckang: and stick things in his ass for captagon
ckang: (spelling?)
asciilifeform: what's a captagon
ckang: its like some amphetamine mixture
ckang: they smoke in the middle east
trinque: being a meth witch is actually pretty nazi too
asciilifeform: i was about to say!
asciilifeform: such fuhrerbunker
ben_vulpes: pervitan!
asciilifeform: pervitin.
ckang: yea theres so much about him that doesn't coincide with his 'beliefs'
mircea_popescu: fenethylline
mircea_popescu: basically, fentanyl in analine :D
asciilifeform: naa that'd be american, not dark-teutonic(tm)(r)
asciilifeform: (germany did not know fentanyl)
ben_vulpes: had fentanyl one time, would recommend it in case anyone has large amounts of skin abraded off and needs the pain muted for a few hours of wambulance trip
ckang: oh its nowhere like fentanyl though
ckang: its a stim the soldiers smoke
mircea_popescu: (it's not related, fentanyl is opio- this is meth-. i justwent for the pun, see. anal-ine ? )
ckang: but her words "he would let you stick 4 fingers in his ass for a dose"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: synthetic opium, popular in modern northameristan; lethal dose is iirc within 10% of ordinary dose
mircea_popescu: ckang, doesn't sound all that credible, does it ? who'd want to.
ckang: his ex-gf, sarah torrents
ckang: she had text messages and stuff of him strung out crying
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo, do you happen to know which ? << Narrowed it down to 2014
asciilifeform: ckang: such proofy proof
mircea_popescu: who [among the set of people who do weird 2010-kiddo pills] would want to [trade some of this apparently valuable crap] for sticking fingers up some ugly fat dood's asshole.
ckang: asciilifeform: it will take some time to find again but if you want to i can try
mircea_popescu: and don't tell me "this billionaire i talk to actually has pics of it", because that's really not how examples work.
asciilifeform: ckang: i dun particularly need it for anyffin
mircea_popescu: ckang, let me unwrap the challenge here further, for the record. so, the claim "he would let you stick 4 fingers in his ass for a dose" made by ex-gf is being challenged on credibility grounds through this following two pronged approach : 1. it is seemingly unlikely any of the poor who actually hold physical $item in discussion would nevertheless be subjectively rich enough to trade it away, especially for something as unlike
mircea_popescu: ly to be valuable to them as "shoving fingers in guy's assohle" ; while 2. ex-gfs will say anything.
ckang: ill find it ;) give me a min, she was pretty straight forward with things
mircea_popescu: he doesn't see.
ckang: no i see what you are saying
mircea_popescu: at issue isn't whether you can produce a graphical representation of the claim.
ckang: but i want to re-listen anyways
mircea_popescu: a ok then!
asciilifeform meanwhile preparing return of... phuctor!
asciilifeform: dulap-III humming along very happily.
asciilifeform: and ftr 32 cpu is a mighty spiffy thing.
mircea_popescu: 3ehehehe
asciilifeform: ( phuctor II had 16 )
asciilifeform: dulap II rather
mircea_popescu: well done jeez. was "rabite" i'd have never remembered that.
ckang: cell2poin is sarah, the ex-gf
mircea_popescu: anyway, i shall bbl.
mircea_popescu: but let's just point out that ANY post factum "testimonials" by gf/bf/whatever, whether they be "i thought about it some more and i decided it was rape" or "i will now call the guy a badman retroactively" and so on aren\'t worthj the pixels they're printed on.
mircea_popescu: if he was so fucking bad, where was she/he/whatever AT THE TIME ?
ckang: ill get the clip for yall though, its an interesting listen regardless
mircea_popescu: all counterfactual history is that -- counterfactual. meaning, not real. false. a lie.
ckang: yea but up until jan of this year weev denied his ancestry vehemently
ckang: but it was something that everyone already knew, it was just funny since he put himself in that community
asciilifeform: >> http://www.loper-os.org/pub/fg_typical.jpg << last ( for nao, i'ma bbl ) but not least
asciilifeform: ^ dulap-III fg emplacement
asciilifeform: smg got same type
asciilifeform: trinque got a more barbaric emplacement, he has no slack space in his chassis, his ended up in the pci slots
asciilifeform bbl in a bit
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/04/pantsuit-media-mocks-reality-of-prison-sexual-violence-against-men/ << Qntra - Pantsuit Media Mocks Reality Of Prison Sexual Violence Against Men
lobbes: In other lulz, D.C. pantsuits trying to extend illusion of franchise to 16 year olds >> https://archive.is/y84nX
ben_vulpes: so now they'll be able to vote and not be drafted *or* drink
trinque: pantsuit pulling out the stops eh? children voting, black reparations, legal weed. I'm sure trump voters will defect in droves for such a platform
ckang: found the audio, extracting it now
pinochle: ubi, sallie mae jubilee on deck
ckang: mircea_popescu: asciilifeform https://vocaroo.com/i/s1p0rtngI86E
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-20#1803946 << that's a good idea, there are different use cases though. i speak much less, so i use the yellow islands to know where i participated in the conversation, this way i know i don't have to reread that whole cluster. it highlights both from:phf and "phf", so i can also say where i was mentioned since the last time i spoke
a111: Logged on 2018-04-20 19:12 mircea_popescu: i do about the same thing, i'm grayed out.
phf: *see
phf: i can also search from:phf to see any messages left my way, but highlight is more convenient if i'm just reading through the log.
douchebag: lol ckang
douchebag: that was Mother right?
ckang: mother was with her ya
trinque: man this is not interesting at all
trinque: chittering high ex-gf cunt; who hasn't got one?
a111: Logged on 2018-04-20 20:56 ckang: mircea_popescu: asciilifeform https://vocaroo.com/i/s1p0rtngI86E
ckang: asciilifeform: the clip you asked for
asciilifeform: i asked for this ??
asciilifeform can't be arsed to boot up box with sound card for this rubbish
ckang: yea i wouldnt go out of my way to listen or anything, just goes over the cuck/captagon stuff mostly
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: ack
ben_vulpes: !~ticker --market all
ben_vulpes: pinochle: you'll want to get a bouncer so that you're not joining and parting all of the time
trinque: I hear somebody's selling shell accounts that'd be just the place
ben_vulpes: yeah i guess pinochle is in l2 now at that
ben_vulpes: pinochle: for .003 btc/mo you can get a shared shell on a real fuckin workhorse of a machine
ben_vulpes: good for blogs, irc bouncers, irc bots...
trinque can confirm his blog's way faster on uy1 than in its previous slum
asciilifeform: or even rockchip
ben_vulpes: !!up jhvh1
deedbot: jhvh1 voiced for 30 minutes.
ben_vulpes: !~ticker --market all
a111: Logged on 2018-04-20 23:00 ben_vulpes: https://imgur.com/BrgTd0u
ben_vulpes: spam-grade coinbase phishin
mircea_popescu: sooo, the car went by a large sign, "grandes descuentos", which my head perceived as "discouns on grenades" and i was wtf, who discounts grenades.
mircea_popescu: and then WTF CONVENIENCE STORE GRENADES ?!?!
ben_vulpes: did you jump on it?
mircea_popescu: i thought that was your job.
ben_vulpes: FOR TEH PEEEPUBLIC
asciilifeform: f--, instead of 5s fuse had 2s, face fulla frag, chinesium , wouldnotbuyagain!!1
ben_vulpes: heh now i'm imagining it just sputtering and limpwristedly cracking open and letting out some magic smoke
ben_vulpes: quelle anticlimax
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, aha.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: this actually happens, if live fuse but no filling
asciilifeform: just hisses, pops, breaks the 'turtle'
ben_vulpes: neato, sounds like grade-a 'jackass' material
asciilifeform: ( what do you call in eng , the iron part of grenade ? )
mircea_popescu: then of course groundskeeper wanted to talk to me about bombillas
mircea_popescu: which aren't small bombs ; but how they say lightbulbs.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, skirting ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-20#1804068 << there was this pretty bad pantsuit cult movie, about some rock band that becomes politically involved by lowering the vote age.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-20 20:30 lobbes: In other lulz, D.C. pantsuits trying to extend illusion of franchise to 16 year olds >> https://archive.is/y84nX
asciilifeform: speaking of these, in BingoBoingostan i saw for 1st time in public ( tho i knew of their existence) those oddball diode bulbs made to look ~exactly like edisonian ones
asciilifeform: with convincing filament etc
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-20#1804072 << whoa that jubilee thing still exists ?!
a111: Logged on 2018-04-20 20:53 pinochle: ubi, sallie mae jubilee on deck
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, o ya.
ben_vulpes: does anyone remember a scifi story about a dark horse us presidental candidate that wins a landslide on individually-targeted email/sms/phone outreach in the last month of the campaign?
mircea_popescu: https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2014/10/rolling-jubilee-wolf-sheeps-clothing.html << and here's pansuitism mouthpiece bemoaning how group of swindlers are not so interested in the "staying within the system" of occupy-wallstreet nonsense.
asciilifeform: both $item and -$item , lulzy reads
mircea_popescu: you were complaining ows was about as productive as ethereum... well...
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-20#1804083 << i don't, actually. at least so far.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-20 21:33 trinque: chittering high ex-gf cunt; who hasn't got one?
mircea_popescu: you'd have expected the "experts" to have invented one by now.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-20#1804101 << they have some shiny gear there ; how long it stays great is to be established, but it starts in a spanking place.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-20 22:58 trinque can confirm his blog's way faster on uy1 than in its previous slum
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's spares for all the iron
asciilifeform: or didja mean that it will rot from overload, or disorganization, or etc
mircea_popescu: well yeah.
mircea_popescu: everything ages.
asciilifeform: in theory yes. in practice i have yet to see certain items age detectably. my cockpit cpus for instance, will soon score 10yr of uptime
asciilifeform: ditto ram
asciilifeform: i'll add that ~all the gear we installed, is of roughly similar vintage.
mircea_popescu: promising :D
asciilifeform: ( with exception of ssd naturally )
asciilifeform: rly there is precious little point buying iron ( other than disposables like ssd ) made after death of moor's law
asciilifeform: moar recent boxen simply carry moar fritz in'em...
asciilifeform: the 1 possible exception is oddball 22nm and smaller chinesium, rockbox, allwinner, etc
asciilifeform: lessee if demand for these
asciilifeform: ( so far only 2 takers, so i'ma hold off on building the supergiant farm of these )
ben_vulpes: "codes of conduct" are a
ben_vulpes: net negative and a blight on open source repos: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16886487
ben_vulpes: more quotes required
mircea_popescu: missing from there : "as we read on trilema years ago" and "clearly mp knows better than all of us"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, yes, pizarro clawed itself out of the first pit, "we don't have what to sell".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha, was the easy pit
asciilifeform: ( entirely mechanical job )
mircea_popescu: right, in that sense.
asciilifeform: the other thing we do, is custom iron; currently typified by ' x + n x FG' . but can be whatever customer likes, potentially.
asciilifeform: ( iirc mircea_popescu one time tried getting heathen hosters to install fg, and found none who would attempt it )
asciilifeform: btw can mircea_popescu et al think of a good reason to set up a public fg fountain? ( given how it is easy to do nao )
asciilifeform currently can't think of any use for such a thing
mod6 is into rockchip \o/
asciilifeform: mod6: got your login ?
mod6: yup
asciilifeform: how's the box ?
mod6: so far, great. just logged in.
asciilifeform: try some torture tests ( serve up warez etc )
mod6: lol
asciilifeform: theoretically should make for princely mpwp etc, also.
asciilifeform: btw i found that the dc, contrary to expectation, has ok radio reception. which means that we could make gsm modem bank etc
mod6: ah interesting
asciilifeform: ( iirc mircea_popescu at least once had an experiment that needed numerous sms receivers. could set this up in iron nao, in principle. )
asciilifeform: the sunday flea market, of all places, had ~infinite supply of that very particular huawei gsm modem that is used for this.
mircea_popescu: nah, they detect the broadband sort.
asciilifeform: not broadband sort. 100% voice.
mircea_popescu: also, very hard to beat the 1.x bucks a card thing here.
asciilifeform: i wrote a linux thingie that drives'em
mircea_popescu: no ? what does it need ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha, they take standard voice sims
asciilifeform: and operate as 'phone'
asciilifeform: you get pcm in/out, and dtmf encode,decode also
mircea_popescu: i don't get it. so you wrote a linux thingee which materializes some hardware into any arbitrary box ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingostan appears to have cheap sims also
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly i oughta elaborate
mircea_popescu: please do.
asciilifeform: gadget in question is ~= to the 'business end' of typical pnoje, 'baseband'. little bugger that takes a sim, and exposes a usb socket, from which one can dial, pickup/hangup, and pump pcm voice in/out. is all.
mircea_popescu: but you have to put the physical simm in there.
asciilifeform: and no it is not distinguishable on telco end or dialee end from a pnoje.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: correct. tho it is possible in principle to locate the sim elsewhere
mircea_popescu: whereas what would be useful would be a linux thingee which TAKES SOME BINARY, and does that for any arbitrary simm.
asciilifeform: the simulated gsm thing for 'hackrf' universal radiotron
mircea_popescu: well now like that, then yes very much helpful. i could buy 10k simms here, read them, put them into al arge blob file and have the item there ready.
asciilifeform: ( also fakes base station.
asciilifeform: this is doable
mircea_popescu: and like this i expect it'd be very much a killer app, "pizarro destroys facebook authentication. make your facebook acct here, 0 cost"
asciilifeform: is what i was thinking
mircea_popescu: maybe we manage to get some countries entirely banned from facebook.
mircea_popescu: seems you still need a few parts emplaced. but i expect the masses would love such service.
mircea_popescu: because apparently lotta butthurt over facebook "banning" etc.
asciilifeform: i expect they'll want arseprints or sumthing, next
mircea_popescu: hey, ynot. they'll still cost a buck.
mircea_popescu: the whole fucking point of existence is to make life unlivable for the poor after all.
asciilifeform: right nao 'sms auth' is typically enuff problem for typical orc
mircea_popescu: there's "Services" but they dun work.
mircea_popescu: which is how i ended up brewing my own in the first place.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's multiple lulz layers in this subj :
asciilifeform: for instance, sim card is supposed to resist 'reading', has elaborate fritzology. but usually quite susceptible to elementary diddle ( dpa mainly )
mircea_popescu: i've not been following the subject, is "simm" item even broken ? what is it, a rfid chip i expect ?
asciilifeform: nah, contactful chip
asciilifeform: predates rfidism
mircea_popescu: yes but basically, it's just the same crap as found in a contemporary rfid
asciilifeform: hides a privkey
mircea_popescu: actual privkey or holywater privkey ?
mircea_popescu: i vaguely recall it had a weak-ish aes thing
asciilifeform: buncha randomola, which it hashes on demand with challenge string
asciilifeform: ( details on www, not seekrit )
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: dpa?
asciilifeform: 128b iirc
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: diff power anal.
mircea_popescu: yes but small and power dependent, so iirc takes minutes to crack one.
asciilifeform: old noose, too.
mircea_popescu: now, not entirely clear that it's worth it to bother. so the story is, you buy however many of these, say $2 each, then put them through a machine to be cloned, then have server select the right one at a time... meh.
mircea_popescu: seems hardly worth it.
asciilifeform: i have nfi whether worth anything.
asciilifeform: but listing it as a physical possibility.
mircea_popescu: you end up with costs over ten bucks a number, and all this so what, so you can make a facebook acct worth exactly the same as facebook inc, ie 0 ?
mircea_popescu: this kinda reminds me of a discussion re romania's 1980s automotive industry, "a car back then, brand new dacia, cost about $800 in real money"
asciilifeform: i have nfi what this is used for, i still labour under impression that spam is -ev and a cargo cult
mircea_popescu: "it was WORTH about that much, also. you seen the shits ?"
asciilifeform: 'worth at.
mircea_popescu: "this is why communism went away, it used up 2k worth of fuel and 5k worth of metal to produce $800 worth cars"
asciilifeform: frg scrapyard'
asciilifeform: 'spend bil to make mil'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, no, oin a strict utility basis. i wouldn't pay a whole grand to have https://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/gallery/RENAULT-12-2038_12.jpg
asciilifeform: funnily enuff, those were on the road in timis
mircea_popescu: anyway. this ultimately seems about the same thing.
asciilifeform: and not 1 or 2 either
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, im sure there's plenty $800 "investments" from 1972 that still haven't fully amortised.
asciilifeform: a trabantoid is not 'investment' tho, anymoar than pair of wooden shoes
asciilifeform: it's a poverty artifact
mircea_popescu: not disputing the fu factor of "we don't care about your blather, republic uses your sims and phones as cumrags". but meh, we dun have the hands on deck for such excursions into wank qua cool.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, poverty of the spirit.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: right, not unless it is monetizable somehow. and afaik it aint
pinochle: ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-20#1804099 << am interested, will follow up but off for the night
a111: Logged on 2018-04-20 22:57 ben_vulpes: pinochle: for .003 btc/mo you can get a shared shell on a real fuckin workhorse of a machine
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