#trilema | 2018-01-03

BingoBoingo: <ReadErr> this must be one of those channels people actually sleep and live functional lives ;p << Yes, and some people in this channel even get sent on missions to Montevideo.

ReadErr: lol explain

BingoBoingo: ReadErr: Well after a prolonged search for an acceptable ISP to host servers, not a single one in the world was found. So I was sent to Montevideo to work with a datacenter to start one.

ReadErr: oh haha thats awesome

ReadErr: setup a few racks?

BingoBoingo: Well, starting with one. At the moment mostly learning Spanish and waiting for the papers that declare me a very.legit.bsnsman

ReadErr: lol

ReadErr: i have so many dumb domains now

BingoBoingo: Anyways this is one of the few places where hard work, not being stupid, and sticking around leads to opportunities and access to leverage.

ReadErr: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/2BB5JFL5/

ReadErr: i let chatting.pro expire though

BingoBoingo: Ah, we have our own pastetank here courtesy of Senor ben_vulpes http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/

ReadErr: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/2Wm0S/?raw=true

ReadErr: hard16 is for ascii stuff not 16 year olds btw (16 color palette)

BingoBoingo: Ah

ReadErr: it was afterwards i realized people might take it the wrong way

ReadErr: how much you planning on deploying ?

ReadErr: odd that you arrived at uraguay

ReadErr: is it one of those bulletproof hosting setups or whatever

BingoBoingo: Well, After scouring the world Hong Kong would have required demasiado racks to support human presence near the datacenter, Brazil's visa process involved too much time and bullshit, and Uruguay is like "cool man, whatever"

ReadErr: must be a pretty serious thing if you can afford to do it fulltime for now

BingoBoingo: The setup however is not bulletproof. It turns out they don't make ballistic rated servers or cabinets.

ReadErr: lol surey they do :)

BingoBoingo: Well, part of the secret is keeping the burn rate on the cash low.

ReadErr: infact there was a german

ReadErr: in linuxcnc

ReadErr: thats all his company did

ReadErr: crazy chassis for tanks and vehicles

ReadErr: super shielded for RF

ReadErr: but yea need remote hands avail

BingoBoingo: Anyways, I am living in a hostel and rent a desk at a cowork space. The black people here are friendly, unlike in Saint Louis, and the girls are pretty.

ReadErr: haha

ReadErr: ive been to st. louis a few times with a buddy

ReadErr: its not too bad, too cold though

ReadErr: not much to do in the city but drink

ReadErr: the AHB tour is neat though

BingoBoingo: In the summer it's too hot in St Louis too.

ReadErr: yea thats true too

BingoBoingo: And were you there before or after Micheal Brown was martyred in August 2014? Since then the city's gone into a far more intense race war

ReadErr: oh before

ReadErr: way before

ReadErr: imagine it depends what part of st louis you are

ReadErr: theres the super nice areas

ReadErr: and the super not nice ones

BingoBoingo: It used to depend. Now not so much.

BingoBoingo: The "nice" areas now are a daylight only sort of affair. Like the old "sundown towns" but in reverse

ReadErr: i could see that

ReadErr: now i mean

ReadErr: didnt realize it got that bad though

ReadErr: too midwestern for me

BingoBoingo: Anyways if you go into St Louis now at night, even in the "nice" areas... there is a 50/50 chance you get surrounded by a crowd of youth with half of them on their phones calling your pasty ass a nigger and waiting to surprise you with WORLDSTARHIPHOP

ReadErr: savage

BingoBoingo: Or you know... There's the knockout game.

BingoBoingo: Etc

ReadErr: there was a guy on efnet

ReadErr: ran his mouth off to some folks leaving a bar

ReadErr: they beat him up pretty good

ReadErr: he went to the news trying to say he was a knockout game victim

BingoBoingo: Here the locals say Ciuda Vieja is dangerous at night. I walk around there at night. Very safe. Just a bunch of idle dorks sitting around.

ReadErr: but it all kinda backfired

ReadErr: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/qmDVnolq/lolward.png

BingoBoingo: Ah

ReadErr: probably karma related, he was always trying to scheme

ReadErr: one of those types

BingoBoingo: ReadErr: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/ for updates on the journey here. Disregard the name. I've been sober for a couple years now.

ReadErr: gangster roll lol

ReadErr: nice

ReadErr: when i read mortar and 6 shells, i was thinking like real military stuff for some reason

ReadErr: which could have been fun

BingoBoingo: Nah, just the sparkly stuff. MP got the bigger stuff though http://trilema.com/2018/happy-mew-years/

danielpbarron: i did karaoke for new years. danced so hard i think i'm getting sick now

ReadErr: i wan to go to a country that lets you toss live grenades

ReadErr: no idea why

ReadErr: just sounds fun

danielpbarron: or a country that can't stop you from throwing them. who cares what they "let you do"

ReadErr: I mean, real talk, i would settle on a flashbang too

danielpbarron: be like best korea. not allowed to have nukes. gets nukes anyway

ReadErr: a RGP would be fun too

BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all

jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 15000.0, vol: 15463.52843943 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 14944.06803522, vol: 56849.03831093 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 15087.4, vol: 3297.44488295 | Volume-weighted last average: 14961.7579516

deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/01/03/una-bandita-robo-mi-escalara-de-cama-un-historia-para-todos-edads/ << Bingo Blog - Una Bandita Robo Mi Escalara De Cama Un Historia Para Todos Edads

BingoBoingo: ^ Monday night's adventure

asciilifeform: in other lulz, intel ceo sells 100% of the stock his contract permitted him to sell ( and even filed the mandatory usg report to hitler, hence how it came out )

asciilifeform: 0 mention in 'mainstream media' re the obvious reason ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1720909 ) why.

a111: Logged on 2017-10-05 00:19 asciilifeform: here's a choice lulzgem: 'One-location hammering is based on a previously unknown Rowhammer effect. With one-location hammering, the attacker only runs a Flush+Reload loop on a single memory address at the maximum frequency. This virtually keeps the DRAM bank permanently open. We observed that one-location hammering drains enough charge from the DRAM cells to induce bit flips.'

asciilifeform: but in very unrelated lulz, https://archive.is/bON1p >> 'It’s a bit absurd that a modern gaming machine running at 4,000x the speed of an apple 2, with a CPU that has 500,000x as many transistors (with a GPU that has 2,000,000x as many transistors) can maybe manage the same latency as an apple 2 in very carefully coded applications if we have a monitor with nearly 3x the refresh rate.'

asciilifeform: ^ though i'ma nitpick, i actually ~had~ ( nao sold, ty phf ! for finding buyer ) a symbolics 3620 ; and it beat the shit out of the 2000s crapples, winblowz boxen, etc, at least subjectively. ( i did not obtain a 1000fps camera, unlike in the experiment claimed by linked item )

asciilifeform: 'If we look at overall results, the fastest machines are ancient. Newer machines are all over the place. Fancy gaming rigs with unusually high refresh-rate displays are almost competitive with machines from the late 70s and early 80s, but “normal” modern computers can’t compete with thirty to forty year old machines.'

asciilifeform: overall notbad.jpg.

asciilifeform suspects that subjective latency depends more on statistical spread than the avg delay.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1762942 << nope. and imho ye olde 'water torch' is more interesting tech ( no need to buy o2 OR fuel... )

a111: Logged on 2018-01-03 06:00 ReadErr: asciilifeform: you have some concentrators ?

phf: happy new year, tmsr

asciilifeform: ohai phf !

phf: so i pulled an old iphone out of storage for travel, and discovered that half the ips it gets are klined on freenode. at least from nyc

asciilifeform: gets from where

asciilifeform: ( which telco ? )

phf: tmobile

asciilifeform wonders if same is true in other million-meatbag cities

phf: asciilifeform: oh hey so i posted my solution on chapter 5, and this time around i have an id: 18558

asciilifeform: phf: irc on shitpnojes sucks mightily. can be made ~tolerable with 'bouncer' .

asciilifeform: phf: i'ma look, 1s

asciilifeform: phf: it was under a tall pile of spamola. should be visible nao.

phf: ty

asciilifeform: PeterL's too.

asciilifeform: congrats to phf and PeterL : solved ch4.

phf: oh hey, PeterL also did an optimization that i didn't notice at the time

asciilifeform: phf: be so kind as to demonstrate yours on pehbot for the permalog

asciilifeform: ( and PeterL when he comes , i will ask this also )

asciilifeform: hm it croaked...?

asciilifeform: just... vanished. left 0 record of why.

phf: welcome to running an irc bot

asciilifeform wonders if it is even in principle possible to make a freenode-crapolade-tolerant bot

asciilifeform: betcha that's what killed it

asciilifeform: prolly cheapest pill is simply to sit it down behind znc

asciilifeform: !~later tell trinque how does deedbot's block-fetch history for past 2wk look ? zoolag's performed very, very well re 'tip of spear' , and there appear to exist at least 5 other fully-synced trb boxen that regularly speak to it.

jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.

ben_vulpes: mine's been doing a marvelous job at staying at the tip, and i suspect that my network slices have made transaction broadcasting more reliable, but This Ain't Science

phf: !!up pehbot

deedbot: pehbot voiced for 30 minutes.

phf: !A .1.2#[, ]#

pehbot: phf: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000002, 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001

phf: the algorithm http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2071&cpage=1#comment-18558 is recursive, where a base case examines two values at the top of the stack and leaves the one that's larger: ``< {'_}{_} _

phf: !A .1.2 ``<{'_}{_}_ #

pehbot: phf: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000002

phf: !A .3.2 ``<{'_}{_}_ #

pehbot: phf: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000003

phf: the base operation is comparison <, but it drops both numbers, so we need to preserve them first by using a `` . we are left with a boolean result of a comparison and the two numbers

phf: !A .1.2 ``< #[, ]#[, ]#

pehbot: phf: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001, 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000002, 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001

phf: !A .3.2 ``< #[, ]#[, ]#

pehbot: phf: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000, 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000002, 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000003

phf: using the boolean we execute an if/else branch which either swaps the two numbers and drops the top most '_, or drops the top most without swapping _. the final drop _ is an artifact of conditional implementation that always leaves a value on the stack.

phf: !A .1.2.1 {'_}{_}_ #

pehbot: phf: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000002

phf: !A .3.2.0 {'_}{_}_ #

pehbot: phf: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000003

phf: we repeat the base case n-1 times.

asciilifeform: phf: dunno that 'recursive' is the word. it's a wholly ordinary iteration.

asciilifeform: but yes phf's algo -- worx.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763202 << i've been thinking of abolishing the artifact where a 0 stays on the stack after the 'else' branch. it'd require only 1 extra state variable ( a WBool )

a111: Logged on 2018-01-03 17:07 phf: using the boolean we execute an if/else branch which either swaps the two numbers and drops the top most '_, or drops the top most without swapping _. the final drop _ is an artifact of conditional implementation that always leaves a value on the stack.

ben_vulpes: so i dug this ti-89 platinum out of my closet last night to have something tactile to do arithmetic on and holy shit i'd completely forgotten about the input lag

ben_vulpes: not only that but it doesn't display 8 decimal places naively, and i don't care to figure out how to fixit, so it got binned on the spot.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: throw out and get normal 89 (blue) or, best , 92 ( cheapo, 20bux or so surplus )

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i've always liked ~good~ pocket calcs. ( not as a comp replacement, or a head replacement, but exactly as a 'tactile arithmetization' plaything. ) but no good ones have been made in decade+ or i expect ever will be again.

asciilifeform: the ones currently sold are ~= ipnoje-running-emulator, internally ( 32bit 'arm' with 100s of MB of ram -- and doesn't add up to the original's 1980s 68k cpu )

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-10#1269083 << see also thread.

a111: Logged on 2015-09-10 00:32 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you're mystified as to wtf all of this was, these old gadgets are (literally) 'derive.exe'-in-a-can.

asciilifeform discovers that all of the links in that thread, are dead...

phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763208 << i think that's a matter of perspective. i treat is as what knuth&graham call a "recurrent problem", i.e. it can be solved by finding a small case, which is self-similar to the whole. the solution can also be proved by induction

a111: Logged on 2018-01-03 17:14 asciilifeform: phf: dunno that 'recursive' is the word. it's a wholly ordinary iteration.

mircea_popescu: it's rather likely the boys-best-friend calc went exactly the way of lassie. too expensive, and who is the terrorist reminding people that back in the 60s, every boy owned a dog as training for when he'll own a bitch.

asciilifeform: the proximate cause of death was, reportedly, the discontinuation of the jp micropower 68k and accompanying chipset, as that atlantis sank. and not replaced.

mircea_popescu: "lack of demand", in the sense of "demand" that is informed and deliberate.

asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform exhaustively scouted the market for any similar item, found 0 )

mircea_popescu: same reason us never managed to get restaurants as a thing

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763090 << he's just a pretty serious kind of guy.

a111: Logged on 2018-01-03 13:55 ReadErr: must be a pretty serious thing if you can afford to do it fulltime for now

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763108 << i had to google the name, ran across principally the picture of an ugly orc thug in one of those university bonnets. why the fuck is a 18yo monkey wearing collegiate apparel, not nearly old enough ?

a111: Logged on 2018-01-03 14:01 BingoBoingo: And were you there before or after Micheal Brown was martyred in August 2014? Since then the city's gone into a far more intense race war

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763220 << since for some reason nobody's said it yet, i will admit that it is ordinary 'bubble sort'

a111: Logged on 2018-01-03 17:51 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763208 << i think that's a matter of perspective. i treat is as what knuth&graham call a "recurrent problem", i.e. it can be solved by finding a small case, which is self-similar to the whole. the solution can also be proved by induction

mircea_popescu: they mature quicker in the hood or what's being signalled here ?

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That's the one.

BingoBoingo: Kid like his weed, was high, aggressed on weak looking suburban cop, got euthanised

BingoBoingo: But the apparel is from his secondary school education.

BingoBoingo: Urban schools put a greater emphasis on the regalia

BingoBoingo: !!up mircea_popescu

deedbot: mircea_popescu voiced for 30 minutes.

asciilifeform begins to suspect that mircea_popescu is a good candidate for that shortwave thing

mircea_popescu: motherfucker, "completed an alternative education program" at normandy high school ? fucking shoot him. o, wait.

mircea_popescu: "amateur musician", check out the thickness of delusion on these people. RAPPERS ARE NOT MUSICIANS OMFG!

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no dood, the usg can turn it off! unlike you know, interwebs.

asciilifeform: lollers

asciilifeform calculated that he could, in principle, do 2way 9600 baud with mircea_popescu with <10 watt

phf: kinky

mircea_popescu: now calculate how much the dumbass ciscos burn on javascript-emulated iphone-for-nsa.

mircea_popescu: there's what, a dozen switches in between ?

asciilifeform: aha, we had this thread

asciilifeform: and >dozen . remember, cisco has to put it through london and brisbane...

asciilifeform: ( unsurprisingly they don't all show up on traceroute )

mircea_popescu: phf you know, "kinky" is rapidly becoming a very dirty word, sorta like "moron" ? 99% of my exposure to "kinky" comes from reviewing bot logs, where the pattern is 1. item self-identifies as "kinky" ; 2. bot goes through HELO/EHLO with them, provides entry point ; 3. they come back with "here is my valuation of $entry-point". because totally, anon bitch on meat market is a) in some kind of position of power and b) being asked

mircea_popescu: for her oh-so-precious evaluation of things, that's why the world exists, so she can say "i rate this very good and interesting" ; then there they sit like so many manatees, "i am kinky and what's an entry point?!"

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763132 << it's kinda funny how all sorta three-toothpicks-tied-together doods go like "oh, knockout game". the FUCKING IDEA is to knock out someone by surprise when it's even vaguely conceivable you couldn't have otherwise. who the fuck is going to "knockout game" some dood that looks like he'd get knocked out falling out of bed / in some kind of toothbrush incident.

a111: Logged on 2018-01-03 14:12 ReadErr: probably karma related, he was always trying to scheme

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i pictured 'knockout' as vaguely like the thing where bratva would 'lose a man at cards'

mircea_popescu: "i was brushing my teeth this morning, officer, and i got distracted by a finger's worth of underboob in that gym advertisment, and so accidentally hit myself in the jaw with the toothrbush and that's the last i remeber! THERE WERE THREE OF THEM AND THEY WERE BLACK!!!1"

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, it's a very genuine social dynamic in monkey society (or "african-american" if you prefer), wherein strength dominates the very crowded quarters they're forced into, but speed is more useful for the group (as seen in ferguson, say). consequently, quick fuckers now and again scurry behind the big kahuna and knock him out, just foer the experience of it.

mircea_popescu: mechanism to "loosen out the pressure", if you will, ie textbook social dynamic. if you want context see ice cube & butt buddy interaction with their landlady's son in that abomination i referenced recently, wtf was it

phf: mircea_popescu: i go to burning man related parties, i'm unfortunately very familiar with what "kink scene" is. at this point using any relevant terminology as applied to self is suspect.

mircea_popescu: "friday after next"

mircea_popescu: phf and when did the ustard female fall into this "everything exists to justify itself to me" trap anyway ? dude! if you're under 30 nobody's going to seek you out to explain lengthy explanation to obtain your permission, what the holy fuck omfg!

mircea_popescu: i suspect it's "school"-induced passivization, "i have to spend twelve hours a day while a bunch of teachers/advertisers/politicans/whatever try their best to summon my attention out of the fatty crevices it hides into"

phf: a country full of enablers

mircea_popescu: i can't imagine who has the energy/resources even. but...

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763141 << the us "lets you" in the same way anyone ever will, drive to the desert and blast away. the only problem is that i'd rate throwing grenades at more annoying (in the sense, you'd have to pay me more to do it) than using a concrete drill/chainsaw for four hours. PER ITEM. even if you have the shoot spiggot on the ak they're a pain in the butt.

a111: Logged on 2018-01-03 14:26 ReadErr: i wan to go to a country that lets you toss live grenades

mircea_popescu: nfi who'd throw grenades recreationally, but i suspect the reason it's part of mental diagnosis is because it's so fucking unfun, you have to have serious issues to think otherwise.

mircea_popescu: in there with "i gnaw at my own prepuce and shove nail clippings into my lacrimal ducts" sorta "fun"

asciilifeform: i suspect that almost any chore, in measured doses, is somebody's hobby somewhere.

asciilifeform: ( see also the gardening thread.. )

mircea_popescu: i suppose...

ReadErr: lol nah just from playing games

ReadErr: seems like it would be fun

mircea_popescu: though i also suppose misrepresentation in media has a lot to do with ellaborate misperception. no, if you drop one on your toe you're not going to escape with merely the gift of blindness, "like that guy in scent of a woman".

mircea_popescu: ReadErr it's almost definitionally unfun. "you pressed button X, now you have ten seconds to save your life". hurr.

phf: it's a common redneck activity here, i've been to a desert event where guy was shooting a mortar

ReadErr: oh yea the damage is way less in a game

ReadErr: but the physics of it

ReadErr: i always liked, arc, velocity etc

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually frag is very capricious item, 'good rng' , 100+ yrs of credible reports of folx within 'guaranteed corpse' radius, surviving with minor injury

asciilifeform: ( granted not at 'dropped on foot' radius )

mircea_popescu: phf at least mortar is only OCCASIONALLY harmful to the fun seeker.

ReadErr: i cant throw a baseball so id probably die

mircea_popescu: (recall that case of usg "trained" special op dead in mortar "accident" ?)

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes yes, wake me up when YOU are the dood they make a film about.

mircea_popescu: capricious is not a good word in this context.

asciilifeform: lol

ReadErr: mircea_popescu: what about a flashbang

phf: asciilifeform: oblig http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBuAfIjsFVk&t=1m20s

asciilifeform: lol!

BingoBoingo: !<mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763132 << it's kinda funny how all sorta three-toothpicks-tied-together doods go like "oh, knockout game". the FUCKING IDEA is to knock out someone by surprise when it's even vaguely conceivable you couldn't have otherwise. who the fuck is going to "knockout game" some dood that looks like he'd get knocked out falling out of bed / in some kind of toothbrush incident. << In St Louis

a111: Logged on 2018-01-03 14:12 ReadErr: probably karma related, he was always trying to scheme

BingoBoingo: not uncommon for the elderly azn shopkeeps to get "knockout game"'d

BingoBoingo: In other news, went to the accountant (very short walk) to sign papers again because... The office of officing things apparently has an anal child thing when it comes to matching signatures

mircea_popescu: ReadErr those are supposed to be safe ; tho you'll prolly lose your lunch

mircea_popescu has never tried

asciilifeform: lose eardrums

mircea_popescu: what ?

asciilifeform: 'flashbang'

mircea_popescu: did you say something ?

asciilifeform: ( beloved plaything of -- at this point -- even smallest american police precinct )

asciilifeform: aha.

mircea_popescu: ReadErr anyway, if you like arc velocity etc, know you're not the first. the french word is patanque.

mircea_popescu: get yerself some marbles.

phf: exploding marbles!

mircea_popescu: why the fuck. everything is better with explosions ?

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> (recall that case of usg "trained" special op dead in mortar "accident" ?) << There was one of those from the home town. 1 week till his USMC contract expired, mortar exploded in Arizona desert during training exercise

mircea_popescu: why not exploding fossil amber marbles with tyronasauri trapped inside! they could gnaw at your ankles! play it in the bed of a piranha infested river!

mircea_popescu: ADVENTURE!!!

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo iirc these were photographers or something, "will never be forgotten" etc. ofcourse meanwhile...

asciilifeform: stimulation-starved folx are like thirsty in the desert, 'could drink a river!111'

mircea_popescu: ok, but do me a favour, don't drink the whole river at the same time.

phf: mircea_popescu: oblig http://oglaf.com/obituator/

mircea_popescu: drink it over you know, lifetime. methodically!

mircea_popescu: phf ahaha that thing. "comes alive at night AND FUCKS YOUR WIFE!!!" has endured as a harem ditty.

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> why the fuck. everything is better with explosions ? << Well, what's the next Republican holiday? Gotta challenge the Latino Christmasen.

mircea_popescu: ftr, i think it's bandiDos, bb

mircea_popescu: and of course escalera.

BingoBoingo: ty, fxing

mircea_popescu: aaand... edades

mircea_popescu: three in one title!

mircea_popescu: and you still gotta get the hang of spanish flow. "la noche pasada, nadie robar mi escalara" = "last night, nobody to steal my steer" is funny, but "la noche pasada nadie me robo nada" a little more in the vein of common speech.

mircea_popescu: and wtf ivory bunks you got there. chicago man can't jump ?!

ReadErr: mircea_popescu: bocce ball was my game ;)

ReadErr: not like on the traditional boxes but more freestyle

BingoBoingo: Jumping is not a gringo power. They even made a movie titled "White men can't jump"

mircea_popescu: ah, they have it there too ? so then.

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo dude when i was your age i jumped INTO a chicks bunk.

asciilifeform: are the bunks 3-level нары in BingoBoingostan , or wat

mircea_popescu: he lives in the tower of song

asciilifeform: the ones asciilifeform slept in at uni dorm were jumpable-IN as well as out

asciilifeform: ( with effort )

mircea_popescu: an' he aches in the places where he used to play.

BingoBoingo: Two level

mircea_popescu: one of my dreams is to one day visit a nubile young woman's place of domicile and discover this slighlty humid cave, with beds piled up like racks, 20 of them on either side.

mircea_popescu: "let me guess, you're top floor ?" "how did you know ?"

BingoBoingo: Well, this slightly humid cave only has 8

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i mean, you know, 20 layers of bunk.

BingoBoingo: Ah

mircea_popescu: maybe the next shoah.

BingoBoingo: Quizas

deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2018/01/03/better-than-a-store-of-value-g-g-g-gold-makes-for-k-k-k-killer-lapel-pins/ << Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Better than a store of value, g-g-g-gold makes for k-k-k-killer lapel pins.

BingoBoingo: Anyways the overriding concern was the full bladder. Secondary concern is not knowing how long water's been making it through the roof and onto the floor. The parquet routinely gets pulled up by bare feet, which gives me doubts about the subfloor.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763157 << which is why real men have old iron.

a111: Logged on 2018-01-03 16:10 asciilifeform: 'If we look at overall results, the fastest machines are ancient. Newer machines are all over the place. Fancy gaming rigs with unusually high refresh-rate displays are almost competitive with machines from the late 70s and early 80s, but “normal” modern computers can’t compete with thirty to forty year old machines.'

BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all

jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 14866.13, vol: 14225.12741100 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 14831.0, vol: 50058.28258709 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 14959.1, vol: 2964.98727792 | Volume-weighted last average: 14844.0790269

mod6: <+asciilifeform> but yes phf's algo -- worx. << I came up with same: ``<{'_}{_}_ (n-1)

mod6: or the reverse is fine too: ``>{_}{'_}_ (n-1)

mod6: i never did get sha1 of my tape to equal anyone elses that were posted tho

asciilifeform: mod6: phf had comments in his

asciilifeform: so quite unlikely that anybody else's would be exactly same

mod6: ahh

mod6: gotcha, thx

asciilifeform: mod6: see orig in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763192

a111: Logged on 2018-01-03 17:06 phf: the algorithm http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2071&cpage=1#comment-18558 is recursive, where a base case examines two values at the top of the stack and leaves the one that's larger: ``< {'_}{_} _

BingoBoingo: !!up Blockhawk

deedbot: Blockhawk voiced for 30 minutes.

BingoBoingo: Blockhawk: WHo is your daddy and what does he do?

Blockhawk: He's an IRC bot and he asks trick questions

asciilifeform: !!up pehbot

deedbot: pehbot voiced for 30 minutes.

asciilifeform: !A .9.1.7.5.1.1.0``<U``<U``<U``<U``<U``<U#

pehbot: asciilifeform: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000009

asciilifeform: !A .3.1.7.9.1.1.0``<U``<U``<U``<U``<U``<U#

pehbot: asciilifeform: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000009

asciilifeform: !A .3.FFFFFFFF.7.0.1.1.0``<U``<U``<U``<U``<U``<U#

pehbot: asciilifeform: 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000FFFFFFFF

phf: asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch5_egypt

asciilifeform: ty phf !

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763181 << i luled.

a111: Logged on 2018-01-03 16:31 phf: welcome to running an irc bot

BingoBoingo: !!down Blockhawk

mod6: ah, simple mux did the trick. nice.

asciilifeform: mod6: it's the 'official' answer, linked in ch5.

mod6: oh i gotta check out ch5!

phf: anybody know how to refresh gnu screen's config remotely? i set `escape ^))` which apparently doesn't work

mircea_popescu: you mean screen the utility ?

phf: yes

mircea_popescu: c-a c-l should reprint ?

phf: no c-a doesn't work anymore, since that's what escape directive does

mircea_popescu: then reattach ?

mircea_popescu loathes redefining the escape sequence.

BingoBoingo: Seriously, this is politically controversial here, how QUAINT! http://www.republica.com.uy/rossi-defendio-la-construccion-de-una-terminal-de-pasajeros-en-la-zona-del-dique-maua/

BingoBoingo: For the record, "Rambla sur" is the section of Rambla that crosses "Barrio Sur" aka where black people keep themselves here

BingoBoingo: And in other commodities http://www.republica.com.uy/se-normaliza-suministro-combustible-punta-del-este/

BingoBoingo: Meanwhile back home: http://www.bnd.com/news/local/article192734909.html#wgt=trending

BingoBoingo: "Illinois American Water issued the boil order for most of its metro-east service area, which includes Belleville, East St. Louis, Centreville, Brooklyn, Fairmont City, Sauget, Shiloh, Washington Park, Alorton, Cahokia, Swansea, Canteen Township, St. Clair Township, Stookey Township and Smithton Township. The boil order also affects utilities and communities who buy water wholesale from Illinois American and distribute the water

BingoBoingo: locally, including Scott Air Force Base, O’Fallon, Fairview Heights, Caseyville, Millstadt, Waterloo, and the Metro-East Municipal Joint Action Water Agency, which serves Commonfields of Cahokia Public Water District and Columbia."

asciilifeform: in other verymuch nonnews, asciilifeform for some reason only today realized that von neumann's fair coin algo is simply 'numerical differentiation' for discretes, and removes bias for the same reason differentiation removes constant

asciilifeform: this wouldn't be worth writing about, except that it invites a gnarlier analysis q -- what is the bias that 1 round of faircoin ~does not~ remove ? ... analogous similarly directly to successive degrees of polynomial 'not removed' by differentiation in continuous functions ? can prove this ?

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah...

mircea_popescu: and the non-constant part of the polynomial isn't bias.

mircea_popescu: f(x) = f(y) for x, y arbitrarily chosen if and only if a1...an=0

asciilifeform: wat's a1 .. an ?

mircea_popescu: indices of polynomial, corresponding to root 1..n

asciilifeform: aa

mircea_popescu: a0x^0 is the constant

asciilifeform: then yea

asciilifeform: i'ma have to eat the 'not bias!' answer. even tho it leaves me without a clean analysis-flavoured picture of why successive rounds of faircoin improve entropy metrics across-the-board (regardless of what litmus is chosen)

mircea_popescu: because they're metrics!

mircea_popescu: think about it for a second, what's the aleph of entropy ?

asciilifeform: yes but why is ~this~ the only item they agree on.

mircea_popescu: THERE CAN NOT BE SUCH A THING AS ORDERED ENTROPY!

mircea_popescu: it's a set without meter! necessarily!

asciilifeform: this is correct and makes my puzzle appear doubly puzzling.

mircea_popescu: the problem are the metrics.

asciilifeform: why is there , apparently... a meter.

mircea_popescu: guess ?

asciilifeform: well obviously cuz i'm missing sumthing

asciilifeform: q is : what

mircea_popescu: in this case, cuz you ~have~ something.

asciilifeform: hm?

mircea_popescu: the metrics lol.

asciilifeform: it isn't clear to me why any such thing as 'distill the entropy' should be possible.

mircea_popescu: well, i guess we break out the metaphors. suppose you're now a vintner.

asciilifeform supposes

mircea_popescu: is there such a thing possible as "distill the wine", in the sense of "putting in less chicken droppings than previously" ?

mircea_popescu: conversely, is there such a thing possible as "distil the wine", in the sense of, "taking a cask of wine in which were put no droppings of any kind, and making it wine-irier, somehiw" ?

asciilifeform: theoretically yes. but not sure if analogous : chicken shit is visually separable from grape; what we have here is rather moar like trying to distill the veritas from 'in vino veritas'

mircea_popescu: alright, acceptable metaphor.

asciilifeform: ( the entropy that ~all~ of the litmuses have in common, is an imaginary entity... )

mircea_popescu: replace words, structure still stands.

asciilifeform: whenever i work on 'entropy' i get the uncomfortable suspicion that i am working with a phlogiston

mircea_popescu: it's not even untrue.

asciilifeform regularly returns to the problem, if the reader has not guessed, of exactly what is the correct method of testing FG, other than ~against other FG~

asciilifeform: thing was built to avoid lying to itself and the operator re entropy. but that's only 1st step.

mircea_popescu: there's no further steps.

asciilifeform: if there are -- i dun know of any. yet.

asciilifeform also wonders which, if any, 'dieharder' litmus, the item displayed in http://www.loper-os.org/bad-at-entropy/manmach.html is analogous to

asciilifeform: meanwhile in other but not wholly unrelated non-news, http://boris.ryabko.net/published-engl.pdf ( sorry, no human version available. ) << actual work on otp , from 2014 , by not-anglotards

asciilifeform: ( http://boris.ryabko.net/papers.html << moar goodies . )

asciilifeform: ^ boatload of funstuff concerning , e.g., rng testing methodology; rigorous approach to stego; novel attacks on symmetriccipherolade; various other interesting ( and quite compact ) items.

asciilifeform: unsurprisingly anglotard 'cryptographic komyoonity' cites d00d : 0 times

mircea_popescu: ha.

asciilifeform: ryabko's been in business for quite a while. earliest item in '79.

asciilifeform: meanwhile in entomology dept : http://www.zerothposition.com

ben_vulpes: and in riotously amusing equalitarianism and whocouldapredictedz: "After the committee ruled in her favor, the municipality lowered the man's wages to Ms. Sigfusdottir's level. 'I went home crying,', she said in an interview. 'I would never have gone forward with the case knowing it would only lead to my colleague receiving less."

ben_vulpes: from https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/03/world/europe/iceland-equal-pay.html

asciilifeform: ahahahahaha

ben_vulpes: no really, you're crying because he got dinged and not because you didn't get the raise? i am so very convinced.

asciilifeform: 'for doing the same jobs' << old, grey-bearded lulzgem

asciilifeform: 'Ms. Valdimarsdottir, an organizer of the demonstrations in 2016, said inequality still persisted in other areas of Icelandic society, such as wealth distribution and representation in the arts and literature, as well as in the upper echelons of business.' << didjaknow.

mircea_popescu: i dunno who listens to these shitheads.

mircea_popescu: but anyway, let the case of the dumb icelander cow be publicized, maybe they learn the fundamental lesson : "being stupid, which is to say being you, means that the more you '''try to help''' the worse it gets. for everyone."

mircea_popescu: important life lesson for precious cuntlet.

mircea_popescu: "what have we learned today, dottirsherd ?" "today we have learned that the capital duty incumbent upon the dottir herswoman is to find herself a master to obediently follow ; because if dottir herdswoman attempts to act of her own, disaster universally follows."

mircea_popescu: then we can dispense bonbons.

ben_vulpes: 'umble pie is an unknown delight for these people

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763264

a111: Logged on 2018-01-03 18:23 phf: a country full of enablers

mircea_popescu: it is ~~~SHAMEFUL~~~ for an intelligent, productive person to permit the leeches to perpetuate their hallucinated comforts out of redirecting his output.

mircea_popescu: it is EXACTLY like keeping a filthy house so cockroaches and rats can spread ; a shameful act and a polity delictus.

ben_vulpes: what, like paying taxes?

mircea_popescu: for instance.

mircea_popescu: certainly giving money to fiatard alt-"sovereigns".

BingoBoingo: "While Iceland has had equal pay laws in place since 1961, the new standard is seen as the first time that the small and prosperous nation of about 340,000" << This is a population in the range of "invadable by Uruguay if Uruguay were managed like USSA"

mircea_popescu: somehow the "small" and "prosperous" relationship, as in, "for as long as you're not overpopulated, you can be prosperous" is not-evident to the pantsuit fans of iceland.

mircea_popescu: "how about culling 95% of us pop ? then can be small and prosperous nation ?"

mircea_popescu: god know it fucking was prosperous back when it was small enough.

BingoBoingo: Seriously. Imagine if China got into the biodiesel business.

mircea_popescu: they could write all the articles about binshinmindwin or however you call "Small and prosperous nation of middle-of-nowherica" you could possibly want.

BingoBoingo: I mean, culturally Argentina and Uruguay are similar stock. But there is a palpable difference between the people of both places assembled and individually.

BingoBoingo: And it can't be that one places grass is better than the other's for cow feeding

BingoBoingo: Both countries shove just about everything into their capital cities

trinque: I dunno; wouldn't be a bad thing for someone to investigate if there's a sickly <-> pantsuit correlation

BingoBoingo: !!up gabriel_laddel

deedbot: gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.

BingoBoingo: Sup gabriel_laddel

BingoBoingo: Escape KKKalifornia yet?

gabriel_laddel: yea

BingoBoingo: <trinque> I dunno; wouldn't be a bad thing for someone to investigate if there's a sickly <-> pantsuit correlation << There is

mircea_popescu: lel. "investigation complete."

trinque: lol

BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: Where did you jailbreak to?

trinque: so maybe the winds blow the shit away from montevideo better.

gabriel_laddel: well actually democrats are less sexually satisfied in day to day life, which ~= sickly

gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo Ohio for now, prolly Ky soonish

trinque: gabriel_laddel: got working feet yet?

BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: Eh, I would have recommended those places to you a few months ago, but seriously just get a place in Ciudad vieja. There's a coworking place near aguada park.

gabriel_laddel: Nope. ISY in Ohio. Saw a COMPETENT WHITE DOCTOR today and got CAT scan + surgery scheduled

BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: That'll give us a corridor through the city

trinque: BingoBoingo will put you in a backpack

gabriel_laddel is getting photoID etc here in Ohio so can go to SA.

BingoBoingo: Also the people here... Whiter than in Ohio

gabriel_laddel doesn't care about 'white', but just so happens WMD (white male doctor) is far more talented than stanford semetic strange

mircea_popescu: jooz make great doctors historically.

gabriel_laddel: semetic strange = paki / nosed indian / arab

BingoBoingo only somewhat visually attractive to the local girls for his more northern euro facial features. Once BingoBoingo takes off his shirt and they see the tan lines though... all bets are in BingoBoingo's favor.

trinque just had joo oral surgeon chop out wisdom teeth, did a great job

trinque: dude was like 4ft 10in

mircea_popescu: in other holy shit sherlock news, the wind here actually got SO BAD!!! it bust down my door. fucking literally.

gabriel_laddel: lol

mircea_popescu: i thought some idiot actually kicked it, which makes no sense seeing how a few layers of metal grates etc to get to it. but i was like... oook, who dies today.

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i thought some idiot actually kicked it, which makes no sense seeing how a few layers of metal grates etc to get to it. but i was like... oook, who dies today. << AHA metal grates everywhere here too!

gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes is there some way to search wotpaste for "sb-c::info"

gabriel_laddel: I dropped some code in there I'd like to not rewrite. Destroyed old machines on traintracks before leaving CA...

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo this is a normal people wooden door, up on a ledge. whatevs.

mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel kept the paste 5-letter id then ?

gabriel_laddel: nope

mircea_popescu: pastes die in a week...

gabriel_laddel: I can get it from customer was pasting to then

BingoBoingo: trinque: How do you know that wasn't a leprachaun pretending to be pete's peeple?

mircea_popescu: what, after the pout of gold ?

BingoBoingo: You know... Big texas trinque with his big gold teeth

gabriel_laddel: sam hyde

ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: no

ben_vulpes: you did what now?

gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes I destroyed my machines, usb sticks using the BART track before leaving. recover my harddrive bitches.

ben_vulpes: dude...

gabriel_laddel has new inventory in CA, new machine here, no biggie

BingoBoingo: BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

BingoBoingo: Why not Union Pacific. Heavier trains delete more securely

gabriel_laddel: the party was in the train tunnels!

BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: You know if you come to Montevideo... They'll have an expocannabis again and you could actually be there this time.

gabriel_laddel: ty but no pot for me. stim convention where and when, im there then.

BingoBoingo: Ah, apparently the shit the kids chew is coca leaves.

gabriel_laddel: which, incidentally, do they market crystal or "work" to you at all down there?

BingoBoingo: Also Yerba's got a bit of a different kick than coffee

BingoBoingo: Down here people tend not to market hard drugs to the gringo that doesn't drink or smoke pot.

ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: leaves not enough on their own, gotta throw in some of the magic dirt too

BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: By kids I mean the small homeless children.

ben_vulpes: 'magic' just means alkaline; necessary to make the reaction run.

ben_vulpes: holy hell someone set off an alarm at a construction site down the street and now i cannot think through the blaring

gabriel_laddel: pity. I was going to ask you what you know about there coca plants.

BingoBoingo: Ah, here it is normal for the garage doors to be hooked up to sirens that sound when cars attempt to join traffic

BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: My impression is that in south america people with money generally only talk about their knowledge of hard drug markets within their wot

BingoBoingo: Perhaps there are exceptions, but... No reason to let USG get free intel

BingoBoingo: !!up gabriel_laddel

deedbot: gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.

trinque: gabriel_laddel: if you were capable, you might review your own logs and notice that you talk about lisp less and this nonsense more.

trinque: curious thing!

gabriel_laddel: sigh what would you like to know about my lisp trinque

trinque: !!v 781F6BC7DD99DBA3C2E0E8FBAA91B926DB2427586871D357AB5C2BCA72A8F55C

deedbot: trinque rated gabriel_laddel -3 << vapid addict

gabriel_laddel: dumbass. the reason I say nothing is because there is nothing to say about it other than "WIP". What, you need to hear about how pleased I am with (ALIAS 'f 'cl::defun)? gtfo'

mircea_popescu: nothwithstanding that bb opened the pot talk, there's the problem that if i want to point to something to explain what you do to an innocent third party, i don't know where to, gabriel_laddel

gabriel_laddel: trinque are there some local kids I can pay to ship me some senegalia berlandie?

gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu can show them this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1QlEJ-2Gho

gabriel_laddel: Daniel can be seen for sales. He has right of way to sell M as he sees fit.

mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel dja see how this is rather in the vein of asciilifeform "future of internet" png ?

gabriel_laddel: no? explain please?

mircea_popescu: consider the discussion with phf ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760915 )

a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 21:30 mircea_popescu: here's a problem i perceive phf : you could guess about log(n) of my understanding of various things that interest me on the basis of reading trilema ; i could not guess epsilon of thge say your understanding of sbcl on the basis of reading whatever you provide voluntarily. i could glean it from this kind of interaction, but here's what that means : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760839

mircea_popescu: i can't, on the basis of that video, infer anything beyond, "hey, if we ever want to upload a youtube video with apologies about some software, maybe gabriel_laddel is free"

gabriel_laddel: well for one, I'm not really prepared to sell M to the mass market & recently reached the conclusion that CLIM is backwards in a few fixable ways. #1, commands are to be computed by code walking rather than define-command & by using (declare) and FUNCTION-LAMBDA-LIST

mircea_popescu: yes, but did you follow either asciilifeform or diana_coman 's approach to a very similar problem ?

mircea_popescu: to wit, "computer algebra is broken in a few fixable ways" ; "digital cryptography is broken in a few fixable ways" ?

gabriel_laddel: FTR: what I bring to the table is the closest thing to LISPM available, and direction + productive discussion for those already down the rabbit hole. Non-alices need not apply.

gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: I have not followed anything diana_coman has done, whatsoever.

gabriel_laddel: will read her blog in full tonight tho

mircea_popescu: well, either / both of them work for the purpose here.

mircea_popescu: in other words : republican methodology for improving software, that was slowly swirling towards systematisation down the drain of v turned exponential / made some major breakthroughs in the past six weeks or so.

mircea_popescu: many problems that previously had poor or altogether no solution are essentially resolved now as a result.

gabriel_laddel: I am catching up on logs now, but until now have not bought into V whatsoever.

gabriel_laddel: In my mind, lispm, or interlisp editor + fixed clim comes first. hence, have been following that route

mircea_popescu: well, that's the fundamental problem here, you were left stranded.

gabriel_laddel: eh, the rabbit tunnels will connect. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-02#1745646 is my motto & the world is a small place

a111: Logged on 2017-12-02 22:16 mircea_popescu: but otherwise -- everything's sough. you got tits ? make money. you can code ? make money. you can draw ? make money. you "got relations" / can pr/whatever the fuck you got ? MAKE MONEY!

mircea_popescu: yes, but until they do so connect you are at risk of "wtf is this and why is it in my feed" beheading.

gabriel_laddel: acknowledged.

gabriel_laddel: am trying to get passport so I can just show YOU rather than fking around with low-fidelity comms

mircea_popescu: !!up Troika

deedbot: Troika voiced for 30 minutes.

mircea_popescu: !!up gabriel_laddel

deedbot: gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.

Troika: Can one create a new WOT identity? For purposes of paying "corporate tax/tithe" to TMSR, as opposed to an individual WOT identity.

mircea_popescu: why would these be separate ?

Troika: In case the business changes hands or similar.

mircea_popescu: it's personal tax, if the business changes hands you realise whatever you realise and that's that.

Troika: Alright thanks -- back to lurking now, keep up the good work.

mircea_popescu: to put it in other words : the republic does not deem corporatyions to be persons. a corporation can't owe tax for the exact same reason the united states government can't be sovereign.

danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1763541 << sure, send me some and i'll see what i can do

a111: Logged on 2018-01-04 02:04 gabriel_laddel: Daniel can be seen for sales. He has right of way to sell M as he sees fit.

gabriel_laddel: thats a damn good idea, I was referring to DanG who hosted the youtube video tho

danielpbarron: !!reputation DangG

deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1b7VF/?raw=true

gabriel_laddel: danielpbarron where are you located? I'm in cincy getting a job now to pay for some flights to see people like you

danielpbarron: i'm in connecticut

gabriel_laddel: aite. see you in next ~6 months. what city

danielpbarron: no assurance i'll be in ct in 6 months

danielpbarron: i'm in westbrook

danielpbarron: but i can meet wherever as long as you give me some notice

danielpbarron: i'll even buy you dinner

gabriel_laddel: if you want to drop by out here, im in forest park

danielpbarron: prolly not.

gabriel_laddel: ticket is like240 so I'll see about signing bonus and then first weekend of job

danielpbarron: !!up BigTexasBingo

deedbot: BigTexasBingo voiced for 30 minutes.

danielpbarron: !!up gabriel_laddel

deedbot: gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.

BigTexasBingo: Yo tengo que hacer numero dos porque bebo mucho cafe. Anyways passport was not hard to get in the end.

BigTexasBingo: Also probably best to sync long to brain before Costa Rica less all the Usted there feed your ego.

BigTexasBingo: And the go to line "Para vos no soy tu. Yo soy usted" could be more likely to get you stabbed

BigTexasBingo: Anyways gotta put ideas into text or else you keep getting greeted with "How are drugs today"

BigTexasBingo: Me voy

gabriel_laddel: I did. Nobody grokked. ARSTTEP.

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