deedbot: mats: gpg: error reading key: public key not foundhttp://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/MThmG/?raw=true
trinque: oh bother
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-15#1751812 <- it is indeed linked, just a minute later, on additional cost
a111: Logged on 2017-12-15 01:57 mircea_popescu: diana_coman one that I actually bought link to http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/10/02/some-costs-of-importing-randomness/ neh ? mightaswell...
a111: Logged on 2017-12-15 01:57 phf: diana_coman: since you basically split from mpi, i put you into a separate project http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=eucrypt
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-15#1751825 <- there is the FG banner that is quite obvious; in any case, I'm still hoping there will be a tmsr isp hence the s.nsa shop page back so that I can link to it directly
a111: Logged on 2017-12-15 02:34 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-14#1751807 << the fg link goes to my www , naked , which imho is not obviously relevant : i recommend https://archive.is/CGQkR instead
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, on 2nd thought it does make more sense to link it on bought than on cost, indeed; updated, thank you
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750325 << Sorry I missed this earlier shinohai. They actually are not on every street corner. What's common are real estate agents.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 15:29 shinohai: BingoBoingo: In the society you are in, likely un consultador puede ser encontrado en cado rincon no?
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 17701.62, vol: 18558.02299130 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 17852.0, vol: 62003.0759808 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 17785.5, vol: 4040.6080835 | Volume-weighted last average: 17815.836948
BingoBoingo: Ah, resumption de crashing
RagnarDanneskjol: mircea_popescu 2 translator candidates are entering chan shortly and will be on standby here all weekend. One other is coming later. They have been ready - delay was on my end. Their nicks are iangeker, Yan, and Kev - all are on China time, so getting late now. None are GPG'd or anything yet.
BingoBoingo: In other delights: here they have some sort of children's cookie which is notable for not being especialy sweet aside from the white chocolate chips. Back in old country these treats would not be marketable as health food.
BingoBoingo: !!Up Kev
deedbot: Kev voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: Kev: Hola, que tal?
Kev: Hey guy, just new to this thing, still trying to figure it out
BingoBoingo: Keep coming back, it works when you work it.
BingoBoingo: Feel free to tell la gente about yourself
RagnarDanneskjol: Kev - Mircea is here if you'd like to talk to him about the translation work and tell him a bit about yourself
RagnarDanneskjol: ...asking me on wechat about IRC stuff
Kev: Well, this is Kevin who from China Shenzhen which beside HongKong
mircea_popescu: o hey. RagnarDanneskjol sent you ?
BingoBoingo: Kev: Is your chinese language primarily Mandarin or Cantonese?
Kev: I do both
mircea_popescu: you can't have two primaries. what did your mother speak ?
Kev: actually Mandarin Cantonese both are similar, for me kind like the difference between American English and British English
mircea_popescu: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 17706.58, vol: 19014.09051238 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 17702.0, vol: 62916.19424056 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 17690.1, vol: 4006.79436463 | Volume-weighted last average: 17702.4585178
mircea_popescu: !~calc 20 / 17702
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 20 / 17702 = 0.0011298158400180772
RagnarDanneskjol: please answer the question still Kev. which is your primary??
mircea_popescu: !!pay danielpbarron 0.00112981
Kev: But I speak with my parents with Mandarin, and school mate or friend more by Cantonese
mircea_popescu: Kev ok, so you're a guy, living in shenzen (where ?), and you'd like to work for the republic.
mircea_popescu: where did you go to school, how old are you and what's your employment history ?
Kev: shenzhen is just above HongKong
BingoBoingo: Kev: Shenzen is a big place
mircea_popescu: Kev ok, that will do. thank you for your time, there's no intertest at this time.
Kev: I did my School in China before Uni, and take my degree in Singapore
mircea_popescu: !!down Kev
mircea_popescu: in case anyone's curious, the 20 bux was for encouraging the folk who made viking age, which is a quite passible browser game. sorta old warcraft style graphically, othertwise a tower defense married to the old bonbon "city development" azn thing.
shinohai: gm mircea_popescu, feliz Viernes!
mircea_popescu: o shit i have to pick up suits today.
mircea_popescu: thanks god you said anything lmao, i'd have totally forgotten tis fri today o.O
trinque: I'll be having wisdom teeth sawed out in a bit. Will be available for botops much later, when various sedatives wear off.
shinohai: lol. My support crosses Eulora boundaries! xD
BingoBoingo: trinque: Godspeed.
shinohai: Damn trinque .... be well B
trinque: eh routine thing, but ty!
BingoBoingo: In other discoveries... My venezualan spanish teacher is a dentist by training.
mircea_popescu: i still have mine. apparently they work well.
BingoBoingo: Has to be your superior genetics at work.
BingoBoingo: Everything but full color vision!
mircea_popescu: i dunno, one actually got A CAVITY. years ago. dentist dutifully put a tiny obturation on it and that's been all.
mircea_popescu: took like 5 passes to make one small enough, also. "i've never done this before".
mircea_popescu: coming from 50yo...
mod6: <+trinque> I'll be having wisdom teeth sawed out in a bit. Will be available for botops much later, when various sedatives wear off. << gl!
BingoBoingo: Hoy, Montevideo tiene mucho calor.
shinohai: Tiene? O hace?
mircea_popescu: diana_coman ah i see, missed that.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Idiomatic expression
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i... have my doubts :D
BingoBoingo: I am in caveman/parrot phase.
shinohai: I guarantee you won't go home hungry.
shinohai: Next time you are in town and they have those .... what do you call fela markets there, ferias? Ask for "Un caldo de pollon muy rico" BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: I just have to say, bless Venezuala's economy for making my humiliation sessions so affordable.
BingoBoingo: Turns out self study and hardware store spanish was insufficient to offer a tremendous fluencey on arrival, so venezualan girl has been retained to speed up the fluency acquisition process.
shinohai: In 6 months BingoBoingo you won't even realize you are conversing fluently.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: is this the tutor mentioned earlier, or an inpatient gurl
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Tutor mentioned earlier. The dentist by training.
BingoBoingo: Who dayjobs as English teacher.
shinohai: I can think of no more useful assistant to have in a 3rd-world country. Those 3 am impacted wisdom teeth are no joke.
BingoBoingo: Well, 1ster world than USia
BingoBoingo: Whiter population even!
shinohai: Actually, lots of SA is looking more "First world" (from my ideal, anyways) than the US lately. The trailer-park culture creep is real here.
mircea_popescu: i dunno how this "retirement vehicle" thing became popular (i could guess) ; but it's evident.
BingoBoingo: Retirement vehicle is a different kind of poverty than trailer park. Trailer park trailer is not mobile denotes still greater poverty.
shinohai: Trailer park trailers can't drive away when you make sulfur gas clouds feed into the ventilation system either! :D
asciilifeform: 'vehicle' is a stretch, they're ~shippingcontainer
BingoBoingo: Most common use of retirement vehicle I remember from old country is where the fail kids live in their Baby boomer parent's yards.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In my part of old country retirement vehicle is typically malformed bus. Trailer park trailer is the shipping container shanty.
shinohai: Rolling RV meth labs are a close second.
BingoBoingo: Eh, the pop bottle method shrank many of the mobile ones to shitty gm go karts producing for personal use
shinohai: I never understood that, the pop bottle thing. Mexican meth is like super cheap, all but the poorest of poorfags could get some even.
shinohai: So much more pure.
BingoBoingo: Well, consider that some of them may have failed out of being able to maintain even positive enough to buy relations with their suppliers.
BingoBoingo: Brb, tengo que hacer pipi.
mircea_popescu: "economic unpriviledged status" is always a personal failure.
mircea_popescu: dude's too annoying to have any friends -> 0 opportunities.
shinohai: "Hey Vern, go out to the barn and get the GC-MS ... these here dimethacrylates look like they got contaminated by that there RC-cola bottle.
asciilifeform: paging gabriel_laddel !
BingoBoingo: In other three years later drama. The Bitcoin bowl has been replaced by... "The Bitcoin Arena" home to some Danish hockey team.
shinohai: !!up robbinhood
deedbot: robbinhood voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: fiat just dun stick to bit-coin does it.
robbinhood: hi mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: hello robbinhood
BingoBoingo: No, it really doesn't
BingoBoingo: hello Robin da Hood
robbinhood: I'm here to talk about the translator position
mircea_popescu: you know it's odd, you're the 2nd guy claling it "translator position". the item actually is http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-12#1736490
a111: Logged on 2017-11-12 16:18 mircea_popescu: the republic is looking for an office girl in mailand china, if you know anyone.
mircea_popescu: now, are you a girl, are you in china etcetera.
RagnarDanneskjol: i identified 4f, 2m
RagnarDanneskjol: was not clear m is totally out
mircea_popescu: it's not totally out, no.
mircea_popescu: but, evaluation is evaluation. gotta get some concrete details out of teh applicant.
robbinhood: yes, i'm in China. I'm male
mircea_popescu: in china, where.
robbinhood: Dalian in Liaoning province
mircea_popescu: "yes im in china" is a very wasteful way to answer that question. try something like x neighbourhood y city, which is so and so and here's a pic i took last week on my blog.
mircea_popescu: much better.
mircea_popescu: how old are you ? did you go to school ?
robbinhood: I'm 25 and still in College
mircea_popescu: s/college/so and so insdtitution doing so and so programme/
mircea_popescu: be specific.
robbinhood: Senior in Dalian University of Technology, learning Computer Science
mircea_popescu: is this your last year ? or is it a 2nd undegraduate you're completing ?
robbinhood: last year, undergraduate programme
mircea_popescu: did you have a job before ?
robbinhood: no but I work as a freelance translator
mircea_popescu: ok, so - you finished highschool seven years ago. in this interval you did three years of college (current being fourth) and what else ?\
robbinhood: finished highschool when I was 20, then there was 1 year break of study
mircea_popescu: well... "break of study", what's that. were you in jail ? did you run off to europe ?
robbinhood: I was trying to learn computer programming
BingoBoingo: Ah, in ownjail
mircea_popescu: robbinhood so how did you pay for it ?
robbinhood: worked as freelance translator online
mircea_popescu: ah, like get a freelancer or w/e they're called ?
robbinhood: sorry, I didn't understand what you meant
mircea_popescu: you worded as a freelance translator online, on one of the "hire freelancers" websites, such as freelancer.com
mircea_popescu: worked* not worded lol.
robbinhood: you are right
mircea_popescu: aha. got a profile or anything ?
robbinhood: now I am working on fiverr.com
mircea_popescu: aha. let's see ?
mircea_popescu: do you live independently ? or with parents ? or ?
robbinhood: I live in university dormitory with my classmates
mircea_popescu: alright. what would you say 和我一起，那是你的婊子掴你进监狱，并与所有的民族疯人院。is in english ?
shinohai: Well, I see "Bitch" in there. This is why I don't translate Chinese.
BingoBoingo: !!Up robbinhood
deedbot: robbinhood voiced for 30 minutes.
robbinhood: sorry I was disconnected
a111: Logged on 2017-12-15 16:46 mircea_popescu: alright. what would you say 和我一起，那是你的婊子掴你进监狱，并与所有的民族疯人院。is in english ?
robbinhood: With me, it is your bitch slap you in prison, and with all of the National Asylum
mircea_popescu: would you ideally prefer to work 20 hour weeks or 40 hour weeks ?
robbinhood: I prefer to work 20 hours
mircea_popescu: alright. that concludes this first phase, which you've survived. im guessing a decision will fall in about two weeks, i'll notify you by name here in either case. you can see it by looking for http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amircea+%22robbinhood%22
mircea_popescu: in the meanwhile -- it'd be a very good idea to make yourself a pgp key and register it with deedbot.
mircea_popescu: shinohai was there a noob primer for this i keep forgetting
shinohai: Was on Eulorum wiki I think?
mircea_popescu: ah right.
shinohai: I've been meaning to do a totally new, 2018 trilema writeup of all that.
shinohai the trilema wiki got put on back burner, I forgot why.
mircea_popescu: so was trinque. lol.
robbinhood: okay, I'll do that
shinohai: Oh that's right! I was working with trinque on that in clwiki .....
shinohai: Then forgot what happened. May have been hosting issue or something.
shinohai still has all the re-written #b-a wiki articles nonetheless ....
robbinhood: Thanks for the opportunity.
mircea_popescu: my pleasure.
BingoBoingo: Ah, the wonderful contrast
BingoBoingo: Not as wonderful as it could be, but compared to Kev...
mircea_popescu: really needs the stuff from
mircea_popescu shall bbl.
asciilifeform: !~later tell phf plox to update ffa in /patches , ty
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 17580.23, vol: 18998.64402544 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 17700.0, vol: 59723.49970447 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 17776.1, vol: 3756.87243635 | Volume-weighted last average: 17675.8778694
BingoBoingo: Any waterfalling continues to fail: "In a court filing, prosecutors noted that due to the volatility of the Bitcoin market, both coins risk losing value. Both the BTC and the BCH have already been transferred to government-controlled wallets. The new round of seized digital currency belonged to a Utah man named Aaron Shamo, whom prosecutors say led a multimillion-dollar ring of counterfeit pharmaceuticals, including oxycodone and
BingoBoingo: alprazolam that were sold on Dark Web marketplaces. Shamo was arrested over a year ago -- his trial has not yet been scheduled. On Tuesday, US District Judge Dale Kimball allowed the sale to proceed. Once sold, the money would go to an account held at the Treasury Executive Office for Asset Forfeiture."
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: soarse ?
BingoBoingo: Conde Naste: aka hearsay and inuendo https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/12/feds-moving-quickly-to-cash-in-on-seized-bitcoin-now-worth-8-4-million/
asciilifeform: lulzy how no mention of why usg was able to decrypt the privs
asciilifeform: ( supposing whole thing ain't desinfo )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: funny also how smaller and smaller coinz piles figure in these releases
asciilifeform: at some point there'll be a 'terroristkingpin put to the ordinary and extraordinary question, coughed up entire bitcoin!' item.
BingoBoingo: AHA, the shrinking suggests legitimacy "OH SEE GUIZE! Still have coins! (albeit orders of magnitude less)"
asciilifeform: shinohai: pretty sure the shannonizer gets rerun ~monthly, last 2 were completely different from this link's, and from one another
asciilifeform: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: asciilifeform: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 17341.0, vol: 19170.96179512 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 17365.0, vol: 62745.85500433 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 17400.0, vol: 3743.32435092 | Volume-weighted last average: 17361.158228
asciilifeform: the deathray treason and plot!111
asciilifeform: 'Shahnaz took out more than a dozen credit cards earlier this year and used the money she borrowed to buy cryptocurrency and send it abroad, according to an indictment filed by US attorneys in federal court.'
ben_vulpes: press release is delightfully vague too
ben_vulpes: apparently sending bitcoin is money laundering now
ben_vulpes: or she actually wired monies abroad, which is just as funny.
asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/a5nNN/?raw=true << txt of the Official indictment, for expert entomologists.
asciilifeform: 'the defendant attempted to leave the United States and travel to Syria' << ohnoez, republikflucht!
ben_vulpes: pff apparently *did* try sending us currency abroad. idiot.
ben_vulpes: also flying directly to isis
asciilifeform: note that there's no particular reason to believe in any particular part of the story
ben_vulpes: not even that the girl exists!
asciilifeform: the 1 likely item is that 1) exists 2) poor quasiliterate orc under usg magnifying glass from before the 'crime' was conceived , as in the new york deathray (tm)(r) plot.
ben_vulpes: yes, these mysterious other parties
ben_vulpes: it's really the only way they can make waves about folks doing this kind of deed. anyone with half a brain a) is not entrappable like this b) has the requisite half ounce of paranoia to foil the wallet inspectors at ft meade
ben_vulpes: wow moxie marlinspike, full-bore sectard https://www.wired.com/story/mobilecoin-cryptocurrency/
asciilifeform: old noose neh
asciilifeform: !#s marlinspike
ben_vulpes: This is where the special features of MobileCoin come in. The currency is designed to utilize an Intel processor component known as Software Guard Extensions, or a "secure enclave."
asciilifeform: previously specialist in 'stop using pgp' and 'wot dunwork' etc
ben_vulpes: yes well secure enclave advocate now as well, hence "full bore retard"
asciilifeform: shill for keybase, red-, black-, and possibly other 'coloured' -phones, and several other varieties of usgolade which escape my memory
asciilifeform: lol drmcoin
asciilifeform: think, d00d is paid, slaves full time, to walk around and pretend to have something to do with 'cryptography'. it's a living.
ben_vulpes: doubtless attends the best parties at burning man too, but what man would eat from that hand, party with those tools
asciilifeform: ( funnily enough, the particular variant of nonsense from above link is not at all new, but sat on shelves for decades -- 'electric money' schemes that relied on 'unbreakable tamperproof hardware' crapola were proposed -- and laughed off -- in 1990s )
ben_vulpes: as i said recently to a friend, "heck yeah that sounds like just the thing the world has been missing until right this very moment! buy anything other than bitcoin, wouldja? keep malia free for another decade..."
asciilifeform: i fully expect that attempts to 'fix' the 'bugs' will continue. ( which bugs? e.g. the 'bug' where bitcoin actually works; the one where it dun belong to the moxies and boecks, i.e. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1637750 ; the 'bug' where it doesn't need to ask for permission from them to work ; etc )
a111: Logged on 2017-04-05 14:25 asciilifeform: as per mircea_popescu's old piece, 'They tend to show up late at parties because they figure they can always steal the cake anyway, so why bother go early ? Let the suckers figure out first - on their own dime - where the good cakes are'
asciilifeform: !!up gabriel_laddel
deedbot: gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: !!up iangeker
deedbot: iangeker voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: iangeker welcome
BingoBoingo: iangeker: While you await mircea_popescu there are logs you may browse. I take it you are here for the China embassy position?
BingoBoingo: !!up iangeker
deedbot: iangeker voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> doubtless attends the best parties at burning man too, but what man would eat from that hand, party with those tools << AHA, appropriates hippy backpacker/sailing culture
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'd propose 'a moxie' , a la 'a preet', fairly large group of very similar kanzure-style politruks
asciilifeform: in contrast with, e.g., a boeck : who is 'technically' flavoured ( i.e. mouthpiece for dropping vulns usg wants 'burned' )
asciilifeform: a moxie is more of a 'gift of gab' item. writes 'trendy' 'pgp is obsolete' treatises, appears at 'best' parties , inevitably consulted at 'seekooority cons', 'podcasts', inevitably shills for multicoloured-phone-of-the-day vendors, never skips a chance to 'plug for' other moxies ; appeals to boecks for 'technical cred'.
asciilifeform: afaik krebs is -- possibly -- the best-known moxie .
shinohai: Sometimes the stars align nicely, and the universe sends German girls that are curious to know what ancient woodworking tools are and are willing to show tits for said knowledge: http://i.4cdn.org/b/1513380843137.jpg
a111: Logged on 2017-12-15 20:02 BingoBoingo: Any waterfalling continues to fail: "In a court filing, prosecutors noted that due to the volatility of the Bitcoin market, both coins risk losing value. Both the BTC and the BCH have already been transferred to government-controlled wallets. The new round of seized digital currency belonged to a Utah man named Aaron Shamo, whom prosecutors say led a multimillion-dollar ring of counterfeit pharmaceuticals, including oxycodone and
a111: Logged on 2017-12-15 23:04 asciilifeform: the deathray treason and plot!111
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-15#1752041 <<< bwahahaha. still, of course, no mention of "trilema > 9000x whole usg disinfo establishment".
a111: Logged on 2017-12-15 23:05 asciilifeform: 'Shahnaz took out more than a dozen credit cards earlier this year and used the money she borrowed to buy cryptocurrency and send it abroad, according to an indictment filed by US attorneys in federal court.'
a111: Logged on 2017-12-15 23:28 asciilifeform: previously specialist in 'stop using pgp' and 'wot dunwork' etc
asciilifeform: the bonus lul is that this deathray case seems to revolve around < 3-4 coinz
asciilifeform: if that.
mircea_popescu: aha. well, it IS a lot of worthless fiat nao.
mircea_popescu: think : victim missed the opportunity to stuff magic marker in butt for TEN coins, not so long ago.
asciilifeform: just about 'за колоски' (tm)(r)
mircea_popescu: now gets larger, warmer implement for much less.
asciilifeform: could as easily say that the arse inserter in turn missed buying 10btc for the 5bux the marker cost, few yrs before
asciilifeform: everybody missed sumthing
asciilifeform: picture, chix gets 20y , for less than the 5btc asciilifeform cremated at bitbet
mircea_popescu: seems fair.
asciilifeform awaits the first fractional-btc deathray trial.
mircea_popescu: year or two ?
mircea_popescu: technically .5 btc is "more money than zek is pewrmitted to have" as it is.
asciilifeform: 'They looked at me like I was a fucking videocard artefact, "something that can't exist", and I didn't insist.' << lol!!
mircea_popescu: bi8g fucking whoop, peeling her panties off on calle colon
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/so-heres-what-i-did-today/ << Trilema - So here's what I did today :
mircea_popescu: incidentally asciilifeform , re the question of "where's pantsuit rembrandt" : perhaps that 88 yo
mircea_popescu: he has all the makings of could-have-been-euler-but-married.
mircea_popescu: "instead of the speed of light, favoured other speeds that '''are much more important to (((us)))'''".