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lobbes: in archive news: through leveraging a bash script comb for urls appearing in teh logs on btcbase (hats off to phf for the impressive historic span), I was able to compile a list of ~142000 links dating back to August 2012.
lobbes: That list has been fed into the Archivierungsprozess. Gonna let it chug along and will report results.
lobbes: to those curious, here's a plaintext dump of all the scraped urls (6 Mb): http://lobbesblog.com/archive/hist_walk.txt
jurov: mod6: ben_vulpes: have you decided about forked coins on foundation's address? should i report them, or sell, or they don't exist?
mircea_popescu: !!up sina_
deedbot: sina_ voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo much better.
mircea_popescu: if you want conformity your btc can still be cash, the fiat as well as anything else can still be... TANGIBLE assets. http://trilema.com/2013/accounting-for-the-nonzero-asset-corporation-the-mpex-standard/ << it's in there, dunno if it got lost in mists of time.
mod6: mornin'
mod6: jurov: I personally haven't considered it. We'll get back to you on that.
mircea_popescu: in other machine-made lulz, http://archive.is/rdZnl : the title is "the comehack" for some reason, but the header is me walkin' with a newspaper wrapped machete in hand.
mircea_popescu: so... i guess it's comin'.
shinohai: all your forkcoin belong to shinohai
mircea_popescu: lobbes nice. 142k huh
mircea_popescu: let me guess, http://trilema.com/2017/lets-revisit-the-google-is-irrelevant-discussion/#selection-177.121-177.343 all over again, "president trump sat in front of a moonlit rock explaining how our system light that rock right out of tyhe air!"
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/minigame-smg-november-2017-statement/ << Trilema - MiniGame (S.MG), November 2017 Statement
mircea_popescu: let me take this opportunity to point out to asciilifeform that his first item in the epic ffa write-up was dec 1st. this is dec 4th. wasn't it supposed to be a 1 hour apart publishing or what's going on there ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: these take several days of continuous sweat to write.
asciilifeform: turns out.
mircea_popescu: ah i thought you had them all lined up
asciilifeform: only the source material.
mircea_popescu: so what, like weekly ?
asciilifeform: probably slightly faster towards the end, when there is less to say re adaism and only the algos need pedanticism
mircea_popescu: also lettuce announce there's going to be a nov-dec joint qntra statement.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no problem, as long as clearly communicated.
asciilifeform: afaik this kind of software item hasn't really been done since the 1980s magazine days ( i.e. where reader is asked to 'write the program' 'with' the author , rather than 'here it is, run, like a pig is fed' )
asciilifeform: so there are not so many guides to crib, re how.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform largely making the tune up as he goes.
mircea_popescu: that's a net positive.
mircea_popescu: and there's nothing wrong with a weekly rhythm of it either, gives reader chance to follow along.
mircea_popescu: make sure you don't miss days though, people who build up pented excitement get VERY pissy.
mircea_popescu: that'd be the drawback of longer spans.
asciilifeform: currently aiming to make it a fridays thing.
asciilifeform just ate his bday caek, made by pet from studying ro material re hungarian caeks. it was quite spiffy.
mircea_popescu: anyway, back to the riyadh bombing : the "scud defense" thing is particularily lulzy because the scud's chief characteristic is how inaccurate it is.
mircea_popescu: "oh, we shot it down". well... considering 99% launches fail to touch target... "safe lie"
mircea_popescu: o hey, happy birthday.
asciilifeform: ty mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: re rocket, it is exactly same story as the 'iron dome' idiocy from last yr
asciilifeform: rockets made by hobos from rusty plumbing discards, not even really aimed to begin with, 'magically shot!'
mircea_popescu: nah, was irani made, pretty certain.
mircea_popescu: iran ~= su in 1970.
mircea_popescu: basically the claim here seems to be that "if they hit anything, they hit the body after warhead separation", which seems a satisfactory description of fact.
mircea_popescu: anyway, flew 1k km, missed target by 1km. perfectly in line with scud capabilities. kinda why it's not much used, either.
mod6: happy b-day alf!
asciilifeform: ty mod6 .
mircea_popescu: amusingly, the sagittarius of tmsr is mired in teh potomac swamps.
mircea_popescu: i thought one was supposed to loathe details and conspiracy theories, at that.
asciilifeform: meanwhile in swamp dekulakizations , http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/lPzAc/?raw=true >> 'The Defendant will execute an agreement to forfeit ... Jobs Lane, Bridgehampton, NY: $4.00 million Baxter Street, New York, NY: $3.70 million St. James Drive, Palm Beach Gardens, FL: $1.25 million Fairfax Street, Alexandria, VA: $2.70 million ... owned by Mr. Manafort and his wife, Kathleen. The Baxter Street property is co-owned by
asciilifeform: Mr. Manafort, Mrs. Manafort, and their daughter ...' etc
asciilifeform: and forbidden from travel etc.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would he sign such a thing.
asciilifeform: i've nfi, maybe they connected his nuts to 220v. or maybe not signed at all, signed for him.
mircea_popescu: latter seems likelier.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> if you want conformity your btc can still be cash, the fiat as well as anything else can still be... TANGIBLE assets. http://trilema.com/2013/accounting-for-the-nonzero-asset-corporation-the-mpex-standard/ << it's in there, dunno if it got lost in mists of time. << ah ty, existence of that thing slipped the memory
mircea_popescu: "Immediate family members are therefore personally responsible for substantial payments to the Court should Mr. Manafort not" << lulzy.
mircea_popescu: im guessing this is how it's going from now on, "send your kids over, i'll fuck 'em while you perform"
asciilifeform: elsewhere, https://cryptome.org/2017/12/papadopoulos-005.pdf ( sadly dun ocr really at all ) one papadopoulos, being tried by one 'chief judge beryl a howell' , for 'obstruction' of the 'russian stooges investigation'
asciilifeform: and bonus 'altering and concealing a record, to wit, his Facebook account, with intent to impede the FBI's ongoing investigation' didjaknow.
mircea_popescu: this facebook thing... used to be a great bureaucrat's toy in the days when the inca was smaller and still struggling to infest medical profession. "supoenad records", some doctors mentally slow enough to imagine they held the only copy.
asciilifeform: apparently was seeekrit trial from end of july, unsealed nao.
mircea_popescu: then it was exactly what SOPS likes, a meta-discussion.
BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform just ate his bday caek, made by pet from studying ro material re hungarian caeks. it was quite spiffy. << Happy birthday
asciilifeform: ty BingoBoingo . happy voyage, incidentally, to you.
BingoBoingo: Ty, I just finished the check in for departure tomorrow
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what they currently lack is the means to actually force anybody to use arsebook etc. but this as i understand is 'being worked on'
mircea_popescu: you see it everywhere, from the supreme court all the way down to obscure daycare http://www.27bslash6.com/flash.html (" He denied having the drive which means he knew he shouldn't have it here then it was found in his bag so I feel the punishment is suitable." ) sorta thing
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i thought it was 24 hours since yest
asciilifeform: bonus : the papadoupolos indictment didn't ocr because it is covered in archetypical millenialgurl handwriting
asciilifeform: there is this specific style of print
mircea_popescu: of illiterate hand ?
asciilifeform: must be new generation of clerks
asciilifeform: specifically female, i've never seen a male emit this particular
BingoBoingo: Nah, departure from STL is 14:30 GMT 5.12.17
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, so check out imperial poverty. manafort dude has "homes" ie real estate picassos worth maybe 11mn and loans outstanding worth 12 ? so he is "rich" because he's in the red 1e6 as opposed to poorer plebs only allowed in the red 1e4 or 1e5 ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-04#1746146 << folx have been taking hostages since 4evah-ago, neh.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-04 17:41 mircea_popescu: im guessing this is how it's going from now on, "send your kids over, i'll fuck 'em while you perform"
mircea_popescu: this is the new us citizen pay class, "How deep in the red may you arbitrarily sign yourself, where may is used in the sense of must" ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not the "full faith and credit of the united states", no.
mircea_popescu: american exceptionalism is getting raped pretty good these days.
BingoBoingo ended up upgrading self to "economy plus" during seat selection because windows, TBI accounts not charged for move taken out of BingoBoingo's drive to sightsee
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: good q , how old exactly is the practice of 'bail'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Since at least 1600's in algophone world if you trace it to debtor's prisons. Per Lafond's research into white slavery concept also present in acquiring prisoners for indenture and other servitudes
BingoBoingo: in colonial us
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: m is 'rich' in exactly same way any orc official is -- while permitted to live in his officially assigned nomenklatura residence , avoid working under a clock, etc
BingoBoingo: No importa que, colonial us is a nonsense labelism
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the point i was perhaps understatedly making is that the LEGAL profession is now under attack from the red brigades. they fought the doctors in the court system for 30-40 years (whiole the idiot lawyers looked on, thinking they're special)
asciilifeform: all asciilifeform can add is that you can tell where in usa there is a courthouse, because for many miles around there is an infestation of 'bail bondsmen', 'bond loans', 'bail', shopfronts.
asciilifeform: and also places where prisoners are forced to buy (yes) own gps collars
mircea_popescu: now, dude married to lawyer and with lawyer daughter, ie, core of the profession, is being "indicted", as if this were even fucking permissible.
mircea_popescu: curious how it works out.
mircea_popescu: but i think the message is pretty well out : "mr/mrs/miss manafort can't defend themselves. what are you srtill doing in the reich ?"
mircea_popescu: yes, hot stove burns all hands. whadda ya thought.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> all asciilifeform can add is that you can tell where in usa there is a courthouse, because for many miles around there is an infestation of 'bail bondsmen', 'bond loans', 'bail', shopfronts. << Locally bail bondsman is far from courthouse. Local DA provides "cheapest" bail bond, and who gets arrested...
mircea_popescu: !!pay 0.55 diana_coman
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> and also places where prisoners are forced to buy (yes) own gps collars << Now, this is everywhere but rent rather than buy
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suspect that d00d who has 'real estate picassos worth maybe 11mn and loans outstanding worth 12' is walking out of the reich a little bit after washington's monument grows legs and goes.
mircea_popescu: could have moved AT ANY POINT.
asciilifeform: but then would be just a d00d, with arms and legs, no money, no skills, no wot.
mircea_popescu: made WRONG assumptions about reality and the nature of the world vehehehery much in the vein of "just like the great socialist state "works for you" because you uncritically assign all the good it had no part in creating to it and all the ill it actually created to imaginary racists, misogynists and other terrorists."
mircea_popescu: but they are dissolving. who knew that us real estate is worthless! o noes!
mircea_popescu: who knew that the ~only physically dangerous place to live is the us! o noes!
mircea_popescu: and so on.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is your own perferred, familiar nonsense. has 0 relation to reality.
asciilifeform: then why exactly did he not move, if he had with what.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-04#1746199 << because exactly as i say : he assigned universals ("the sun rises in the morning! BECAUSE STALIN!") to the socialist state ; and the very disasters caused by that socialist state to imaginary "everyone else everywhere else". guess what, it WASN'T the terrorists that came busting down the door. it was... the socialists he worked for.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-04 18:00 asciilifeform: then why exactly did he not move, if he had with what.
mircea_popescu: this is how manafort idiocy works.
mircea_popescu: he takes the sentence "i am rich here as i'd be anywhere ; and i can't buy anything for it here unlike anywhere else" and turns it into "i am rich here because usg made me rich ; and i can't buy anything here or anywhere else because non-usg". whether he verbalizes that "non-usg" as "the most serene republic" or "black people" or "islam" or "patriarchy" or what have you, it's still what it is.
asciilifeform: iirc we had similar thread not long ago, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714394
a111: Logged on 2017-09-14 17:45 pete_dushenski: shkreli stuck around nato making billions in pharma industry SO THAT HE COULD MAKE PREVIOUSLY SCAMMED INVESTORS WHOLE
mircea_popescu: the empire assigning universals to itself and its own failures to non-itself.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha. we keep having it, esltards be esltards.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: separate q is whether usg.rich is actually convertible to somewhereelse.rich
asciilifeform: ( i suspect that in the general case , it isn't ; but don't specifically know )
mircea_popescu: this is like rhino saying "i'm not sure whether my horn is useful in general or not really". well... if it is cancer, you want it ablated asap.
mircea_popescu: and this is the definition of cancer : growth not universally useful.
mircea_popescu: so here : if usg.rich is NOT everywhere.rich, then all portions of it that actually are not must be cut off. yesterday, not tomorrow.
mircea_popescu: i never heard anyone go "well... if i can keep on going with this tumour maybe it turns out it was actually useful, who knows".
mircea_popescu: tumors get cut out the moment they are identified. for the very reason.
asciilifeform: somebody wake up buffett, tell him to give away his usggold
mircea_popescu: hey, most prostate cancers go untreated because they are SO SLOW that by the time they appear, the victim is already marked for death from other causes.
mircea_popescu: "why should we operate this tumor liable to kill this patient in 5 to 10 years when his circulatory system will do him in within 18 months at the most"
asciilifeform: it isn't as if being buffett is something that were dropped from the sky by malevolent martians on unsuspecting people. it's a thing the 'sufferers' work for decades for, compete with other candidates for politruk ( or for http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-01#1745249 , depending on flavour ) , it is very much a conscious choice
a111: Logged on 2017-12-01 23:19 mircea_popescu: guy was a major... well, like bill gates, or khodorovsky, however you call the faux business men produced by governments. except in ro, so he's talking 1e7 rather than 1e10
mircea_popescu: not really.
mircea_popescu: sufferers work for something else, end up with this.
mircea_popescu: much like asbestos roofing worker works to make roof, ends up with mesothelioma in the process.
asciilifeform: the difference is that nobody living today has ever seen the supposed roof
asciilifeform: only the lung rot
mircea_popescu: there's humongous difference between gates, entirely intellectually nil, and buffett, intelligent ox.
mircea_popescu: not even a terrible question.
mircea_popescu: are there ?
asciilifeform: the original logic is that i want it to appear on every page of http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch1_genesis/tree/ .
mircea_popescu: well, tell him for me that there's nothing wrong with obscenity in principle, perhaps with a link to a choice image from the logs
mircea_popescu: i'd do it myself but inane googlism.
asciilifeform: ( otherwise exactly yes )
asciilifeform: ( and i suppose i could nitpick, 'USG.StrictlyAnyOtherCAImplicitlyTrustedByAllUSGbrowsers manages to lose a public key' oughta read 'private key' )
mircea_popescu: right you are.
mircea_popescu: why not comment it!
asciilifeform: commented
mircea_popescu: answer't lol
asciilifeform: !!up scatha
deedbot: scatha voiced for 30 minutes.
scatha: asciilifeform: thanks, just checking :) hope all is well over there, saw qntra down and a strange chinese message on trilema
asciilifeform: scatha: re qntra etc -- try reading the logs ?
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-04#1746081 << i can, by the way, give you (or anyone who wants it really) an ongoing feed of urls, which might be a bit saner, than trying to wget a bunch of html pages, and then attempt to reverse them
a111: Logged on 2017-12-04 08:43 lobbes: in archive news: through leveraging a bash script comb for urls appearing in teh logs on btcbase (hats off to phf for the impressive historic span), I was able to compile a list of ~142000 links dating back to August 2012.
phf: i have some internal feeds that, for example, return messages in terms of "since=<id>", so by tracking what was the latest message id that you processed, you can have incremental processing
mircea_popescu: chinese ?!
mircea_popescu: phf actually the url rss is a fine idea.
asciilifeform: 1 of the rotating headers on trilema is chinese, neh
mircea_popescu: how can a drawing be chinese
asciilifeform: not drawing
mircea_popescu: oh oh the byline ?
mircea_popescu: !~google 和我一起，那是你的婊子掴你进监狱，并与所有的民族疯人院。
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. on Trilema - A ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/>; 北回归线在线阅读(第10页)_必看网: <https://www.biikan.com/xiaoshuo/read-21772_10.shtml>; 幽默、笑话、故事收集: <http://www.baiyun.net/jokes/humor.html>
mircea_popescu: WHAT is the internet even for, seriously now.
lobbes: phf: Guess I should've inquired beforehand; would've saved myself some work with the historical walk :P
lobbes: As for processing urls 'going forward' I got a bot sitting in chan that snarfs urls as they come and keeps it in a 'to-be-processed' database. Still, having redundant data sources couldn't hurt. I would definitely be interested in url streams
phf: lobbes: yeah, it took me about 5 minutes to produce a list of urls including coding :p
phf: it takes about 12 seconds to walk the log for all the messages containing "http" and then narrow it down with a somewhat hairy regex that i found somewhere some time ago
phf: regex in question http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Ce04k/?raw=true (the 12 seconds overhead comes mostly from the fact that ppcre is a dog, so that regex is not actually being used anywhere in production)
a111: Logged on 2016-12-11 16:18 mircea_popescu: in other news, today i learned a chinese! it goes like so : 和我一起，那是你的婊子掴你进监狱，并与所有的民族疯人院
mircea_popescu: meanwhile SHITHOLE youtube destroyed that url ; moved it to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyX-31dW6_w for no fucking reason and fuck you google.
mircea_popescu: worst source of breakage in the entire field,. this youtube crap.
mircea_popescu: totally would love a substitute.
phf: mircea_popescu: i'll investigate a bit the specific mechanics of failure in this case, but there are certain situations where unicode search doesn't necessarily work
mircea_popescu: plaintext either.
mircea_popescu: !#s learned a chinese
phf: well, right
phf: but at the same time for whatever reason http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22learned+a+chinese%22
mircea_popescu: aha. weird huh.
phf: actually !#s "和我"
phf: err
phf: !#s "和我"
phf: this is because word break doesn't understand that 和 and 我 are words and no punctuation is required for breaking it up. there lies dragon territory
mircea_popescu: that didn't occur to me.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-04#1746271 << there's a buncha clones. ( all in heathendom, however )
a111: Logged on 2017-12-04 19:37 mircea_popescu: totally would love a substitute.
mircea_popescu: the other problem i'm confronting is that i don't now remember what the chinese even meant.
mircea_popescu: so i guess trilema joins thereby the sad legion of hos with tramp stamps.
mircea_popescu: yeswell.
mircea_popescu: they have a point. no need to trade === win.
asciilifeform: depends what means win neh
asciilifeform: woah orcolade
phf: sure search_it_form_me(table, tokenize(query))
mircea_popescu: am i not following something ?
phf: it's fundamentally two different approaches, bvulpes's thing relies on a lot of pre-written code that comes with postgresql, mine, for better or for worse, is custom written. the approach that postgresql uses is much more elaborate than what i'm doing. (for example they have explicit lexing phase both for search and for indexing, that takes care of language specific break up of sentences)
mircea_popescu: aaaah. the bit is a chinese version of that romanian curse the french speaking chick learned phonetically for her role in occident.
phf: i have some idea of how to fix this issue though. for example i can treat characters from certain unicode planes (anything higher than latin-1) as grep
mircea_popescu: i don't really think it's much of an issue altogether, except for the part where it fails to find a line for ascii search.
phf: yeah, i think that's a bug unrelated to moon language
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the principal problem is that no good text formats for video.
mircea_popescu: where is the vvg!
mircea_popescu: or whatever, svg-midi
asciilifeform: where was that ascii video thing...
asciilifeform: the one with 'star wars'
phf: it funny if you search for star wars ascii telnet second link is youtube
asciilifeform: format is trivial, just a buncha lines of known length, with ordinary newlines; a frame is simply certain # of'em
phf: but it's telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl
asciilifeform: appears to work
phf: also it most definitely uses ansi sequences for redraw and character positioning
asciilifeform: frugal but imho not The Right Thing.
asciilifeform: not for arbitrary bitmapola at any rate.
diana_coman: la multi ani, asciilifeform !
asciilifeform: ty diana_coman
phf: an example of urls output might be something like this http://btcbase.org/data/urls.txt
mircea_popescu: actually vlc has had ascii output for a while
mircea_popescu: can watch pronz on terminal.
mircea_popescu: in ongoing ro lulz : https://www.cotidianul.ro/greu-mai-intelegem/ (basically, the deal seems to be that romania will get ~34k sqkm / 3,5mn or so extra folks in a box labelled "moldavia" in exchange for continued friendship ; the CAER parallels are striking)
BingoBoingo: lol, looks like new twist on same old shit
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'The amount we asking is 0.05Bitcoin' << lol!!
asciilifeform: !!up gribble
deedbot: gribble voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: ;;balance 1492bBQhiSRgS7k25mUsaedTSjwHkaWQRh
asciilifeform: in other 1333337lulz, 'Claymore's Dual ETH miner's remote management interface is prone to an unauthenticated remote stack buffer overwrite that can be triggered by simply sending an overly long api request to the management interface resulting in an unbound `(v)sprintf` style buffer overwrite when trying to log to file or console.'
asciilifeform: trinque: plox to make the necessary correction
trinque: aye aye
asciilifeform: ty trinque !
davout: asciilifeform: happy birthday!
asciilifeform: ty davout
davout: also in case BingoBoingo hasn't already left for the other hemisphere I wish him safe travel!
asciilifeform: !!up hangtree
deedbot: hangtree voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: davout: Ty
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if they had any sense it'd be one addy per email neh
mats: what is this
mircea_popescu: a sort of slingshot
mats: oh, thought it was a cock ring
mircea_popescu: captive ball slingshot. like the captive bolt pistol.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform check it out, old man won in teh supreme court. travel ban live.
phf: !#s learned a chinese
phf: there was a hairy bug in search, that didn't consider all the possibilities. though now there's a highlighting issue..
phf: (which has now been resolved)
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