BingoBoingo: Oh my!
deedbot: http://thewhet.net/2017/10/wellington-schmellington/ << The Whet - Wellington Schmellington
mircea_popescu: in other lulz : slavekeeping gypos!!! http://stirileprotv.ro/stiri/actualitate/batuti-cu-biciul-si-obligati-sa-cerseasca-perchezitii-in-arges-dupa-ce-mai-multi-indivizi-ar-fi-rapit-40-de-persoane.html
mircea_popescu: teh end of teh world is nigh.
mircea_popescu: that was last year. meanwhile some of teh organized-criminals got convicted to 3-5 years, and some of the liberated-victims killed their father.
asciilifeform realized, to his horror, that living in this hotel is cheaper than... living in asciilifeform’s house
asciilifeform: by a palpable chunk o’change .
BingoBoingo: Perhaps live more in hotel?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: benjie bag not bottomless
asciilifeform: plane back to shitschwitz in couplea days
asciilifeform currently sitting in ‘museum of communist konsoomer’, playing with toys of his childhood, reading various ro equivs of наука и жизнь , guides to e.g. female hygiene (i shit thee not), engineering , misc vintage
asciilifeform: smells like my grandparents’ apt did
asciilifeform: btw mircea_popescu , my father was right, you lot had better gear than we did
asciilifeform: by a palpable long shot
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's some east/west differences, but yes. not just your father either, iirc i mentioned ro army general who was like "what did you think, i'd desert to moscow ? they're more fucked than we are"
mircea_popescu: but anyway. the czechs had it even ebtter than teh romanians and so following.
mircea_popescu: as to moscow, the new tsar has exafctly the problems of the old ones. problems tend to outlive tsars.
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz, "Young Ukrainian woman with excellent command of English and previous experience of Britain wishes to serve a woman or couple in the UK. Little previous experience of BDSM but very submissive and obedient."
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Consider alternate income streams like taping cheese and wurst to groin then smuggling into US?
trinque: lol, if it were only unsatisfied demand for good things
mircea_popescu finally fucking figured out! check out eg * Eyes (adf42c3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.22.214.171.124) above : https://cleantalk.org/blacklists/126.96.36.199
mircea_popescu: basically, a vast majority of weblink remoras are simply wordpress / etc spambots trying to find the xmlrpc.php on kiwiirc.com
BingoBoingo: Holy fuck is wordpress a suck
BingoBoingo: And in other news, today is 2nd anniversary of BingoBoingo's first AA meeting. Cake will be later.
mircea_popescu: it's like an unwashed cunt, a good idea in principle implemented by imbeciles. as a result it provides a warm crack and fresh food to a whole pile of slime molds, cockroaches, worms, etcetera
BingoBoingo: And for some reason still worse when warm crack is chronically dry than when when chronically wet, this we learned from pantsuit
mircea_popescu: trilema has been a mindblowing exercise in "common man use of internet". EVERY fucking month a new botnet attempts to co-opt it into the totally-fucking-genius idea of ddos-by-wordpress. yes, that ancient hole published on trilema yuears ago, still unfixed.
mircea_popescu: trilema responds with a "fuck you" 40 byte message. THIS DOES NOT DETER.
mircea_popescu: they will try mns of times, 5-10-20 a second, because 0 interest in anything.
mircea_popescu: now and again i ban them (which results in attempts returning soft 404s, which is trilema pages, at a cost of 100kb+- per attempt)
mircea_popescu: this burns 10-20-50gb worth of BW before the lazy ass imbecile "hacker" notices and turns it off.
mircea_popescu: it's basically amoeba, 0 interest in doing anything right, 100% motivated by pain avoidance.
mircea_popescu: does the endless stream of 46 byte error messages do anything ? like in the vein of cracking us in the skull? no ?!?! THEN CONTINUE!!!
mircea_popescu: who knows, maybe it changes.
mircea_popescu: i full on suspect 50% or more of all the "work" engaged in at the offices of the various silicon-valley "building the future" "entrepreneurial" pieces of shit consists on repeatedly clicking "try again" on those old dos "general failure" error prompts.
mircea_popescu: who knows, maybe attempt #54654765986 does something different.
mircea_popescu: salaried workforce.
ben_vulpes: christ, erlehmann wouldja quit it with the join/part spam
mircea_popescu: what's his problem anywa ? http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-22#1727827 << writes in to alf, won't speak on forum ?
a111: Logged on 2017-10-22 22:03 asciilifeform: erlehmann also wrote in re that lamport parachute is neat because can be fired using only paper. which is indeed tru, and quite neat in situation that calls for parachuting.
mircea_popescu: is this more of the same "i do not approve of mp, because i'm fucked in the head enough to imagine there my be such a thing as my approval of mp ?"
mircea_popescu: yo erlehmann . what exactly is your problem ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1729728 << which reminds me, ima go polish off remainder in champagne bottle.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-27 16:47 BingoBoingo: And in other news, today is 2nd anniversary of BingoBoingo's first AA meeting. Cake will be later.
mircea_popescu: because one of the advantages of harem is that it'll be someone's bday nigh on every month ; and female slaves means ima be awake before them. ha-HAaaaa!
mircea_popescu: mother nature's fulla unearned male priviledges.
asciilifeform: ohai mircea_popescu
asciilifeform found a proper 'ro' joint, 'miorița', absolutely fuckingrocks
davout: asciilifeform: go ahead, i'm more than ready for another chapter of "alfie and the chocolate factory"
asciilifeform: i'ma make a proper 'chocolate factory' laters
davout: please do, i'll enjoy
mircea_popescu: you found... romanian pot ?
asciilifeform: a phood by hapsburg square
mircea_popescu recalls olden days when whatever group of 14-15yo westerners joined in for a tour of the cluj chocolate factory (feleacul).
mircea_popescu: "WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU CAN TAKE BONBONS RIGHT OUT OF THOSE CEMENT MIXER THINGS"
mircea_popescu: "where would you like to take them out of, not like they grow inside goats or on trees or something"
asciilifeform: strangest find of asciilifeform's inside 'communist konsoomer' museum is prolly the plastic goban and b00k of pretty serious go problemz
asciilifeform: place had quite the opposite of what i think was the inntended effect, on me
mircea_popescu: what do you think was intended effect ?
asciilifeform: 'how poor and sad we were', i imagine
mircea_popescu: absolutely not.
asciilifeform: hmm no?
asciilifeform: it was great tho, all the things i liked and wantd in childhood, even phoods ( in photos ), were in there
asciilifeform: whereas i did not want cocacola or mcfucknuggets or previousbostoncuntlets for anytthing
asciilifeform: and still dont.
mircea_popescu: the intention is deliberately never stated with these things, but the reasonable guess would be more in the vein of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670353
a111: Logged on 2017-06-14 15:42 mircea_popescu: so i was gonna quote this story with my grandfather regretting the time of stalin, except apparently it;'s not in the log ? and there's even attempts to find the shit, like http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-15#1433159
mircea_popescu: ie, an (unreferenced, because they're cocksuckers aka "people themselves") attempt to answer to http://trilema.com/2010/vina-batranilor/
mircea_popescu: something in the lines of "oh, little people were great, and little things were great, it's just the great people (pars pro toto, ceausescu) that were bad".
asciilifeform: i don't feel antipathy for those batranilor
asciilifeform: or even for the shoemaker
mircea_popescu: i don't know i feel antipathy for anything else.
mircea_popescu: old accountants and old housewives are the only enemy mankind ever knew.
asciilifeform: housewives i can picture, but accountants ?!
mircea_popescu: yes. little men "just trying to get by" because "they have a family to support".
davout: my personal interactions with old accountants were mostly along the lines of "no, you can't do this"
mircea_popescu: the petit bourgeois buying britney spears records because they're "like" toscanini and unlike that, they're what he can afford.
davout: which quickly gets pretty annoying
mircea_popescu: the 80% scum.
asciilifeform: this is not unlike liking oranges but hating peels
mircea_popescu: when they were young they did "good enough" trucks and software, and when they're old they do "good enough" culture.
asciilifeform: can't have orange without peel, mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's very unlike. it's not unlike liking cunt but hating smegma.
mircea_popescu: the only oranges this scum grows on live in neglected orange groves.
asciilifeform: there's not a culture without old folx
mircea_popescu: there is however a culture without petit bourgeois old folks.
mircea_popescu: in fact, there can only be a culture if they're not around.
mircea_popescu: the question any 70yo has to answer, and CAN NOT escape anymore than 20yo can escape the draft or the call of the streetgirl, is "why didn't you die".
asciilifeform: i dunno, what is asciilifeform , not petit bourgeouis ?
mircea_popescu: and the answer fucking better be something other than "because i carefully stuck to the walls"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you are in very plain and obvious danger of going that way, yes, with all yours "can'ts" and "Shouldn'ts"
asciilifeform: well expanding into 'cans' and 'shoulds' and hey play the tuba even if you never learned how etc currently
mircea_popescu: life's a struggle.
mircea_popescu: but in no case do i care about stalin's statistics. so he killed 50 trillion imbeciles ? good for him ; if they didn't suck so bad they'd still be around.
asciilifeform: stalin may be greatest hygienicist who lived.
mircea_popescu: what i care about is all the 50 trillion anodyne "concerned citizens" that got the gestapo so flooded with emails it had to get an unlisted number
mircea_popescu: to survive the public harassment.
mircea_popescu: the only immoral agent is the redditard ; boko haram comparatively frequentable.
asciilifeform: i have moar respect for alley cat ( btw i finally found where those live ) than redditus.
mircea_popescu: well, the old folks are the redditards of 1960.
asciilifeform: in the sense of 'no theorems' ?
mircea_popescu: because yes, the item existed. heck, it's noted for the year 1880, and for all previous decades.
mircea_popescu: no, in the sense of
mircea_popescu: !~google conu leonida fata cu reactiunea
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Conu Leonida față cu reacțiunea - Wikisource: <https://ro.wikisource.org/wiki/Conu_Leonida_fa%25C8%259B%25C4%2583_cu_reac%25C8%259Biunea>; " Conu ' Leonida fata cu reactiunea " - I.L Caragiale - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DVv7SbfrNdT4>; Conu Leonida față cu reacțiunea - Wikipedia: <https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conu_Leonida_fa%25C8%259B%25C4%2583_cu_reac%25C8%2
mircea_popescu: in the sense of "small independent lord-in-his-own-mind with no wot links".
mircea_popescu: in the sense of "i have the freedom to make my own choices ; and they'll be informed by my diminutive stature"
mircea_popescu: in that fucking sense.
asciilifeform: oh hey btw lenin had a discussion of these, in his 'wat do' piece
mircea_popescu: quote ?
asciilifeform: i'ma have to come back to this item. it was the thing with the swamp
mircea_popescu: anyway, no theorems isn't it. there's that famous case of my driver whom my mother (who was bumming a ride) asked in shock why'd he'd go around playing valet for a 17yo. he said something like "not everyone's a big deal". man had 0 theorems to prove, but also didn't go around deluding himself on the matter.
asciilifeform: 'those who are happy to sit in the swamp'
mircea_popescu: what's it is the pretense to equality, the proposition that "no theorems is as good as any theorems", the "i know, i'll prototype bitcoin on windows, it's an os too" and so following.
mircea_popescu: the whore who dares pretend as if she doesn't owe the soldier her cunt, but rather, she... "has her own mind" and "her own options" and whatnot else.
asciilifeform: socialism ~extincted the earnestly servile sort of man , seems
mircea_popescu: "Итак, тебе не заплачу я: Но если ты простая блядь, То знай: за честь должна считать Знакомство юнкерского хуя!" is not some kind of fucking joke.
mircea_popescu: it's the dispositive final word on fate.
ben_vulpes: "Someone blessed with enough ability so as to recognize the superior qualities in the chosen by the Fates as our hero here present, but who carries neither the sweet delusion of recognizing the same in himself, nor ..."
mircea_popescu: be all you can be, yes ; protect your ass as far as it can be, sure. BUT NO FURTHER. as far as it can be and no further! and don't go around pretending like anything's just as good as anything else, either.
asciilifeform: btw for n00bs, mircea_popescu's gem is from no less a man than lermontov
mircea_popescu: it is.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-27 17:50 jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Conu Leonida față cu reacțiunea - Wikisource: <https://ro.wikisource.org/wiki/Conu_Leonida_fa%25C8%259B%25C4%2583_cu_reac%25C8%259Biunea>; " Conu ' Leonida fata cu reactiunea " - I.L Caragiale - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DVv7SbfrNdT4>; Conu Leonida față cu reacțiunea - Wikipedia: <https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conu_Leonida_fa%25C8%259B%25C4%2583_cu_reac%25C8%2
asciilifeform finally read mircea_popescu's 'vina batranilor' in original, and realized that it is exactly as asciilifeform sees 50-60yo usa inmates
asciilifeform: incidentally it occurred to asciilifeform that he might start translating trilemas, when he reaches ro-shodan level
asciilifeform: and that they translate well, i suspect, into ru
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> because one of the advantages of harem is that it'll be someone's bday nigh on every month ; and female slaves means ima be awake before them. ha-HAaaaa! << Wonderful
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://www.ilcaragiale.eu/opere/teatru/conu_leonida_fata_cu_reactiunea.html
asciilifeform: oh ty mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: here's a question for the ages : i put on trilema at some point a photochop depicting this slightly fat, mongoloid teenaged male smiling proudly next to a taller babe that he had ms-pain drawn his arms around.
mircea_popescu: anyone recall this bit ?
asciilifeform: prolly pre-englisch?
mircea_popescu: i fear.
mircea_popescu: further research turns out it was actually godard, so now i need it ;/
asciilifeform: http://www.accestotal.ro/am-vrut-sa-l-impusc-pe-ceausescu/ << in other vintages
mircea_popescu: "i was going to", previous generation's elliotism.
asciilifeform: d00d stole kalash and set up, neh
asciilifeform: then sat for 20y
asciilifeform: ( found subj via mircea_popescu -- in footnotes, re how post-revolutionary ro gov did not pardon d00d )
asciilifeform: roventiu by all indications ~would~ have perforated he shoemaker, if the latter had not buttoned up in bunker, shittings pants over missing kalash
asciilifeform: instead ended up in oubliette
asciilifeform: what exactly is mircea_popescu's 'elliotism' seen here ? that herr roventiu let himself taken alive ?
mircea_popescu: i don't credit the story as told.
asciilifeform: hm disinfo ?
asciilifeform: what's the crack in the edifice ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how and when did mubarak take over egypt ?
asciilifeform does not know
mircea_popescu: yes, well, don't tell me that a would-be mubarak nearly machinegunned romania's anwar al sadat a year or so later.
asciilifeform: i dun get it -- foreign stooge ? or wat
mircea_popescu: eh, random wankery of old men at the chestnut tree.
mircea_popescu: about as credit-worthy as the average 16yos recounting of his sexually amorous exploits.
asciilifeform: d00d sat for 20y. for what ?
mircea_popescu: you ever been in a soviet prison ?
mircea_popescu: for that matter, any prison. "For what", seriously ?
asciilifeform: not yet, why
mircea_popescu: for being incompetent enough to end up there, what the fuck else.
mircea_popescu: anyway. i am especially intolerant of
mircea_popescu: “Lîngă Făcăieni, aproape de Feteşti, ne-au turnat nişte săteni, care ne-au văzut odihnindu-ne lîngă o lizieră. Şeful de post, apărut din senin, ne-a cerut actele. Sub ameninţarea pistolului mitralieră, l-am legat de un copac şi am dat drumul la restul. Doar nu era să tragem. Nu furasem actele pentru asta. S-a dat alarma şi sute de miliţieni şi securişti, dotaţi cu elicoptere, ne-au luat urma”, îşi
mircea_popescu: aminteşte Rovenţiu. Au reuşit să scape din mai multe încercuiri; s-a tras în ei de sute de ori, însă “noi n-am folosit niciodată armamentul, deşi puteam să-i ciuruim de nenumărate ori”.
mircea_popescu: you will know wankery by that unerring sign, that it is wankery.
mircea_popescu: virgin boy's wet dreams work exactly like adult's, BUT, importantly, they lack any representation of the vulva. because he's never seen one. if all he's seen is his mom's boob the succubi will show him boobs and he'll cream ; if he's once seen a slit, his succubi will have slits, but no clits. and so following.
mircea_popescu: what is this jan valjean bullshit of would be assassins who "could but wouldn't" shoot ?
asciilifeform: hmm this is a point.
asciilifeform: i dun get why to steal a piece and not shoot tho.
mircea_popescu: the faits d'armes of brave duellists who don't know what a foil is and how handguards work or why ain't.
mircea_popescu: i don't get it either, nor am i an expert in the matter. but still, shitty story is unpersuasive.
asciilifeform begins to see why
asciilifeform: and also that there dun have to be any relation b/w the charges against d00d, and reality
asciilifeform: it will be entertaining to see the particular deed asciilifeform is hanged for , for inatance
asciilifeform: prolly moar exciting by long shot than the reality.
mircea_popescu: you understand how the centrality pressure works ?
mircea_popescu: because the enemy purports to a "dispassionate" which is to say batshit insane "application of justice", random woman like say monica lewinsky can go to jail ~forever for ANYTHING. such as you know, "having not told some nosy bureaucrats whatever detail of her own god damned private sex life".
mircea_popescu: this then creates in the republic a pressure : since you might as well go to jail for jaywalking, DO NOT jaywalk, "because you have more important things to do" and "it'd be a pity to end up hanged for jaywalking".
mircea_popescu: this is exactly the idiotic "make it count" argument. and it should be obvious that ALL IT DOES is a) actually enact the "less important" enemy nonsense, such as "jaywalking laws" and b) fundamentally corrupt the republican opposition, because if you won't naturally jaywalk, hoiw would you naturally shoot obama in the face ? one needs the other, like tree needs roots.
a111: Logged on 2015-01-30 05:51 mircea_popescu: which is why i am not ever giving it up. the freedom to threaten is not merely my fundamental, unassailable sovereign property, but moreover essential for the construction of effectual instruments to squash the socialists and their golums.
mircea_popescu: "oh but mp, you're such an elegant intelligent dood, why would you". guess.
mircea_popescu: worst fucking thing you can do is allow this reduction-to-centrality, "only present the core of the argument cuz branches are just as dangerous but not as relevant" sorta nonsense.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1729885 << limonov >> http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-05#546880
a111: Logged on 2017-10-27 20:18 mircea_popescu: because the enemy purports to a "dispassionate" which is to say batshit insane "application of justice", random woman like say monica lewinsky can go to jail ~forever for ANYTHING. such as you know, "having not told some nosy bureaucrats whatever detail of her own god damned private sex life".
a111: Logged on 2014-03-05 02:05 asciilifeform: 'american does not believe the man in the uniform to be a bandit, with whom one can come to an understanding. he believes him to be a robot, who must be feared. american law enforcers are able to, by pressing on the keyboard of a multitude of laws and regulations, 'transmute' the most insignificant peccadillo into a monstrous deed. FBI did not need to beat up Monica or toss into her purse heroin or ammunition.
mircea_popescu: so yes, i expect you're right. everything in socialistupidstan is decided by irrelevant points of minutia, pointedly and carefully avoiding any substantive discussion. why'd you be an exception.
asciilifeform: the jaywalking point is exactly troo, and was beginning to form in asciilifeform's head when he signed up for $mission
asciilifeform: and it can be turned on its head : do a proper deed ~before~ being shot, with surprised stupid face, for an inevitable jaywalking you may or may not even have done.
mod6 jaywalks all the time
shinohai: yay or nay jhvh1 should archive sites
mod6: archive the pastes?
ben_vulpes: and yea
trinque: pastes and links aha
a111: Logged on 2014-03-05 18:32 asciilifeform: '... courtroom recording showed that the last verse of the multiplicand was, as witnesses had claimed, sung in unison by the beautiful young fork.'
trinque: I guess Framedragger lost himself in leftist hackersauce "poly" pussy?
asciilifeform: trinque: d00d came up for air not long ago
trinque: I saw; wasn't much air
ben_vulpes: seductive song of the biofilm
mod6: shinohai: yeah, both would be super helpful.
trinque: !!v C79DF7964C2E078A0D4EBD1DA3ABEC023E49A336B89A614F72146F745725AF04
deedbot: trinque updated rating of Framedragger from 2 to 1 << used to come around
trinque: while we're doing these, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1729743 is apparently "too lazy" (in teen girl vocal fry) to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726508
a111: Logged on 2017-10-27 16:55 mircea_popescu: what's his problem anywa ? http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-22#1727827 << writes in to alf, won't speak on forum ?
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 01:18 trinque: just give me the same key but without the idiot expiration field
jhvh1: Thank you, your link will be available in the /archive/ mirror shortly! You will be invoiced 0.00025 BTC for this transaction via deedbot.
mod6: jesus christo
asciilifeform: that's a mighty pricy kByte
shinohai: times are tough
asciilifeform: reminds of scene in the riotously bad 'atlas shrugged' novel where 'mega millionaires' charge each other gold dubloons in their seekrit hideout for borrowing a cig
mod6: pff srsly.
shinohai: i on;y haz subdomain, need true dns 4 2 yrs
mod6: same ^
mod6: so, maybe a drive that grabs the pastes, and links and stores them somehow. then make another that backs up the first.
mod6: if it comes down to cash to get the drives and set up the stuff, maybe the foundation can support that.
shinohai: well soon i will make it spit out a tar or zip
mod6: cool. but i don't think invoicing everyone for this is gonna work.
shinohai: id love it to b like a warez markwt lel
shinohai: no not *everyone"
mod6: ben_vulpes: thoughts? if given a proposal on this that is a resonable, should the foundation consider?
shinohai: something ala subscription
ben_vulpes: i can get behind paying for an archiver's operations costs
mod6: yeah, i think it could be pretty minimal. and be a non-annoying choice.
asciilifeform: i won't pay for the familiar best-effort nonsense.
mod6: however... to the point of archiving things, say >1Mb, then by all means.
mod6: like... if I want to stick a porn movie in the archive... sure, i should be able to pay some nominal fee perhaps.
asciilifeform: ( this is a properly a subset of the isp discussion. )
mod6: much like, I stuck a bunch of dependant files in deedbot. that obviously is probably not the best way to do that.
mod6: but if people did wanna emplace some thing somewhere your bot could be a good way to go with a reasonable pricing model.
asciilifeform: if i want something stowed on some heathenisp rando box, i can bloodywell rent one and upload it ~myself~
asciilifeform: and for worthlessfiatola.
mod6: solid point
shinohai: ah ok
mod6: so, yeah, perhaps come up with a plan, and hand it in to the foundation, and we'll consider.
shinohai: lol i got an email from a ver minion about paid writing for bitcoin crash!
shinohai: he redid the voorhees paid 2 tweet pyramid scheme
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: no, it very much mustest happen on republican boxes.
mod6: well... he's just saying if he wants ~something~ put up. (right?) much like i use mod6.net
shinohai: pulls out hair
mod6: haha. no worries.
trinque: shinohai: might do better with a "archive as much as you want for x / mo" style arrangement
trinque: disk is very cheap
trinque: though what happens when someone unsubscribes, archive is gone? doesn't serve the logs very well
trinque: arguably future logotron oughta preserve links itself
trinque: so then, subscription might be to a particular logotron. and hard to price those given that the market has ample, usable free
trinque: not that I fault a guy wanting to charge people for the use of his bot, obviously
asciilifeform: how the hell would one price a promise to archive 4evah tho.
asciilifeform: but otoh you gotta have perma-log.
asciilifeform: afaik nobody knows where to even begin resolving this knot,
trinque: it's why I said price access to archive, but then wtf is that too, can copy while access is had
asciilifeform: hence 0 sane archiver to this day.
trinque: and reason I'll yet grunt out a dht webthinger, central archives are nonsense
asciilifeform: trinque: if no independent mirrors, it's rubbish
trinque: still not bad for folks to cause themselves problems by doing things.
asciilifeform: so long as they don't tear hair out when it becomes clear that no, you can't charge for sunlight
shinohai: nestle charges for water so what
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1729900 << why not do the thing scriba was doing originally, put in archive.is and save the zips ?
a111: Logged on 2017-10-27 21:17 shinohai: yay or nay jhvh1 should archive sites
asciilifeform: did this vanish ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno tbh.
asciilifeform: sooo apparently 0 demand for pulling the backups to date , lol
a111: Logged on 2017-10-27 21:25 trinque: while we're doing these, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1729743 is apparently "too lazy" (in teen girl vocal fry) to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726508
asciilifeform: recall scene in 'bofh'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pulling the who ? what ?
asciilifeform: ( 'i then loaded that one very special tape' )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for actually fetching the zip
trinque: mircea_popescu: no, unless he didn't bother to tell me.
mircea_popescu: !~market all
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Error: The "Market" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "all" in it. Try "list Market" to see the commands in the "Market" plugin.
mircea_popescu: !~ticker market all
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the code is a valid (1 more message)
mod6: i did this recently when looking at the rsa thing that happened back in like august of '15
mircea_popescu: !~ticker --market all
mod6: and it was pretty nifty that it had archived all of the pastes.
asciilifeform: oh hey
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 5760.11, vol: 12026.47225216 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 5759.4, vol: 40666.43322517 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 5768.0, vol: 3133.02309215 | Volume-weighted last average: 5760.03559702
mircea_popescu: !~calc 0.00025 * 5760.03559702
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 0.00025 * 5760.03559702 = 1.440008899255
asciilifeform: i was referring to zips mod6
mircea_popescu: shinohai over a dollar a page, what is this.
mod6: i don't know if it is doing this any longer, or if it does zips or whatever. no idea.
shinohai: mircea_popescu: well obviously that *wasnt* real
mircea_popescu: mod6 basically never progressed past http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-21#1508406 / http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599061 / http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-14#1683532
a111: Logged on 2016-07-21 22:10 mircea_popescu: i suppose one thing we could do is change how a111 works so that on every outbout link posted here it a) makes an archive.is copy of thje page ; b) downloads the corresponding zip
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 04:28 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1598955 << just download the fucking archive.is archive zips already omygerd.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-14 16:53 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-14#1683501 >> that is the link in question, yes. it's be tremendously useful if it also had a copy of http://archive.is/download/nQLP9.zip stored somewhere.
mircea_popescu: i ~think~ it ~might~ have been implemented, to some degree at some point somwhere.
mircea_popescu: which is exactly the opposite of useful work.
mircea_popescu: anyway, storage is about 2 fiatcents aka 300 or so satoshi per gb
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1729951 << heh. where's that dork, "i know how to promote scamcoins big (LIKE DOGE!)"
a111: Logged on 2017-10-27 21:45 shinohai: he redid the voorhees paid 2 tweet pyramid scheme
mircea_popescu: ah there we go, http://trilema.com/2013/a-deal-can-be-anything/#selection-27.0-27.105 "I am here from couple of years and have good knowledge on how to promote a coin in a big way (like DOGE)."
mircea_popescu: big quantity of BEKs!
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1729959 << oh, preserve what we say AND ALSO the links ? and what else ? how about the girls, preserve all of them the age they were so we can revisit when we're old, the girls we loved as if they're 16!
a111: Logged on 2017-10-27 22:02 trinque: arguably future logotron oughta preserve links itself
mircea_popescu: poor logotron.
trinque: lol what, like someone's browser cache is doing as they click?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1729964 << except you do, because you've seen the person that knows how to resolve it resolve it.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-27 22:07 asciilifeform: afaik nobody knows where to even begin resolving this knot,
trinque: whole log's worth of archive is, bet, one drive's worth at most
mircea_popescu: trinque idea being that there's a necessary and natural cut between log matter and linked matter.
mircea_popescu: the principal impediment to republican logging, atm, is that nobod yucan be arsed to write a html de-fucker ; there is one already written, by the archive.is dood, which spits out zips. the solutions then are either a) piggyback on that, which alf has (irresponsibly) been trying to obstruct throughout, and in the laughablest of manners or else b) make own, which will without exception require making own, and RIGHT NOW, not "n
mircea_popescu: ext week".
mircea_popescu: thatg aside, the more pressing problem is that we don't have a proper pdf-decrufter, (random moron with delusions of self-impoirtance failed to be useful, as you prolly recall), and if we're going to do something by hand this'd be more sorely needed than that.
trinque: sure, separate items. I was attacking the price and that which was priced.
mircea_popescu: between logotrons that reliably maintain the archive.is produced zips of any linked pages and a service which spits out text versions of pdfs (and youtube videos etc), to be also archived, we'd actually have a complete solution
mircea_popescu: perhaps a little fragile, but certainly fortifiable.
mircea_popescu: the only problem in all this is that i'm not willing to put "use archive.is" into the logger spec ; nor am i willing to go "write html-decrufter or die". so... we're FOSSing about.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-27 22:08 trinque: and reason I'll yet grunt out a dht webthinger, central archives are nonsense
mircea_popescu: speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1729899 , http://trilema.com/2009/piulitia-romana/#comment-6489
a111: Logged on 2017-10-27 20:31 mod6 jaywalks all the time
mircea_popescu: wrt to scriba's archiving : it appears to be on now, and working since yesterday (26th). it did not work in the interval 10-25 october ; nor in the interval 2-8 october (limits included). so it for instance included http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1729704 but not http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-25#1728494 and so following.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-27 05:30 deedbot: http://thewhet.net/2017/10/wellington-schmellington/ << The Whet - Wellington Schmellington
a111: Logged on 2017-10-25 02:39 deedbot: http://thewhet.net/2017/10/a-compendium-of-possibly-helpful-stuffs-for-erecting-mircea-popescus-wordpress-with-nearly-free-speech-hosting/ << The Whet - A Compendium of Possibly Helpful Stuffs for Erecting Mircea Popescu's WordPress with Nearly Free Speech Hosting
mircea_popescu: for a long time it was reliable, but so far in october it's about 10% up or so.
mircea_popescu: which means that even if we have 10 such loggers we'd still lose 16% or so of all links through simple coincidence at this level.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1729970 << this is an altogether dubious point. magnolia went south IN SPITE of paying customers, through operator ineptitude.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-27 22:09 asciilifeform: so long as they don't tear hair out when it becomes clear that no, you can't charge for sunlight
mircea_popescu: i suspect that contrary to what operator-minded examiner might wish to believe, the limit is the operator not the economics.
mircea_popescu: shinohai how did you compute your 0.00025 anyway ? "gotta type a number in" ?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in girls next door / apartments next door, http://78.media.tumblr.com/c52cbef9f39187da794f85e2dcd5cd01/tumblr_nhdvzwqnJr1qeuki6o1_1280.jpg
ben_vulpes: lol @ person on laptop
trinque: "bitch is taking selfies again; snoar"
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1730028 << same as the kids used for mp3s and tv, but with signed material published by known nodes
a111: Logged on 2017-10-27 22:35 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1729967 << how would this go ?
trinque: trilema in the model has a key, chatters to peers when something is published. peers retain or dont as their node is set, allow others to connect to retrieve items or dont as idem.
trinque: anybody recall directconnect? probably closer to what the thing oughta look like than say gnutella, but with a hierarchy of nodes instead of connecting to one station.
trinque will elaborate more after a necessary errand
mircea_popescu: trinque yes but basic shit, how do you prevent joe from spreading his "virus" thusly ?
mircea_popescu: the great advantage of current archival mechanism is that it powerwashes the targets.
mircea_popescu: hmm a111 died ?
mircea_popescu: ah nope, new page is all.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-27 23:11 trinque: trilema in the model has a key, chatters to peers when something is published. peers retain or dont as their node is set, allow others to connect to retrieve items or dont as idem.
mod6: heh, 'spangle the log'
mod6: hanbot: eggwash = yoke included?
mod6: *yolk. ugh
trinque: mircea_popescu: yep, if you asked "what did joe say about $hash" and joe was an asshole, you get fucked
trinque: just like the current www
trinque: hopefully you know good joes, otherwise browse rando's hashes on burner box
trinque: and yep, derives directly from notions being formed in the gossipd threads
mircea_popescu: so then why not simply pipe the current apache or w/e into gossipd.
trinque: current web flowing over the thing wouldn't look much different from that; however, things *built* for the model would be parceled differently.
trinque: take a particular trilema article, your node announces that there is a new $string which resolves to $hash and your node signed the fact
trinque: connected nodes chatter this fact
mircea_popescu: iirc signed packets went nowehre in that discussion.
trinque: your comments section would not be hosted by you, but would rather be comprised of a marker which says "here be statements others made about $currentDoc"
trinque: signed application-layer material.
trinque: I'm speaking of publishing, not how gossipd nodes move packets
mircea_popescu: the reason i didn't start the gossipd discussion with trilema specifically has to do with the comments problem. which is : there's some implicit authority-and-authorship play wrt comments, as reader is more interested in mp's idea of what comments were than in random spew, and by a large factor.
trinque: that still can be a fact also published by your node.
mircea_popescu: so i always imagined that to plug web ie blogs such as trilema into gossipd, what'd happen would be that i'd announce what the article is and what the comments were.
mircea_popescu: in fact much like now
trinque: sure, someone announces to you "I would like to scrawl this on your wall" and you announce inclusion or not
mircea_popescu: obviously this dun preclude anyone from private commentary. but you can't have trilema announce shit as comments because it heard from discuss.
mircea_popescu: i mean disqus, the spammy comment shit.
mircea_popescu: the oither problem is of course that this lays right into gns
mircea_popescu: which is what that whole " a new $string which resolves to $hash" is all about.
trinque: I am and have been preoccupied with, respectfully, the mike_c problem.
trinque: gotta cleave the "$he said $fact" from "there is this silo which is the only source of $fact"
trinque: communist megastate fucktards throughout the entire extant internet, because no one ever dies on field. who could tell; we're all fungible.
mircea_popescu: there is merit to this view.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, tis a delicate operation and im not sure we have spare patients.
mircea_popescu: so... what are we cleaving, where and how ?
BingoBoingo: <trinque> lol what, like someone's browser cache is doing as they click? << What's "browser cache" is it like BTC Crash?
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