deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EC7519B079B206656277F3C6AD770B4E7EEBD4EBEFE6BA70634BBC462AD506A9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1543...5569 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '184.108.40.206 (ssh-rsa key from 220.127.116.11 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (host250-201-static.89-94-b.business.telecomitalia.it. IT)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EC7519B079B206656277F3C6AD770B4E7EEBD4EBEFE6BA70634BBC462AD506A9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1560...8389 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '18.104.22.168 (ssh-rsa key from 22.214.171.124 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (host250-201-static.89-94-b.business.telecomitalia.it. IT)
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/07/drama-heats-up-as-fiatbitcoin-interfaces-prepare-for-next-round-of-fork-failures/ << Qntra - Drama Heats Up As fiat/Bitcoin Interfaces Prepare For Next Round Of Fork Failures
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo irl, the "exchanges" were used to try and pop the "bitcoin bubble" http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-22#1673315 ; as a result they're trading while insolvent (on the btc side).
a111: Logged on 2017-06-22 07:44 mircea_popescu: to satisfy http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672531 -- try and fuck with btc price, discover eth "price" was a joke all along.
mircea_popescu: ie, usg attempting to fight bitcoin with ether will result in usg "bitcoin" exchanges bubble popping instead.
mircea_popescu: at this point 50-50 odds they'll manage to scare up the funds necessary to keep the charade going a little longer
BingoBoingo: Well, gotta cover the frog boiling and insert the rock hard truth when it's raep
mircea_popescu: but yes, the grand plan for june was "bitcoin prices drop while ethereum to the moon". it worked as well as the "liberation" of some town of a name i meanwhile forgot it was so long.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeh, just sayin' for teh eternal records.
BingoBoingo: And it helps to link to the linking to later for our good friend Maxwell Lulz esq.
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2314.0, vol: 16969.47568326 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2281.178, vol: 6387.34062 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2282.5, vol: 31624.53370966 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2407.71153, vol: 10125.85840000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2311.867, vol: 9430.07842065 | Volume-weighted last average: 2310.28343355
mircea_popescu: meanwhile indoors, http://68.media.tumblr.com/bba3fa3749da183991fa43cfc6adef43/tumblr_on0z0ruzWx1suxmvuo3_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: !!up Derrick[afk]
deedbot: Derrick[afk] voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: who might you be ?
sina: I just popped in to complain about this thing and I feel like nobody else I know will understand
mircea_popescu: what thing
sina: https://software.intel.com/en-us/blogs/2017/07/11/meshcommander-firmware-web-application << "Starting with Intel AMT 11, you can now upload a web application into the firmware that will replace the built-in index.htm page. This is super useful because you can upload a fairly complete Intel AMT management console into the firmware and access it using a browser. "
sina: makes me feel, so tired.
sina: anyway, hi and all that
sina: I have been watching the logs, interesting discussions
mircea_popescu: "this is super useful for any definition of useful that reduces to utterly fucktarded."
mircea_popescu: do you see what kinds and pluralities of problems oyu cause ? do you ? DO YOU ???
sina: mircea_popescu: you made me feel better
sina: I am imagining you shaking the guy who wrote that blog by the shoulders and screaming DO YOU in his face
a111: Logged on 2014-07-09 01:40 indiancandy1: mircea im in love with you
sina: phf: are you about?
sina: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-05#1679224 << I dunno what "dat" constitutes in this case, but you can pass in any data just by the line "M := toBinArray(*message)" and sub out *message for dat
a111: Logged on 2017-07-05 15:50 phf: oh flag, lets you pass this stuff as a command line argument.. i guess this approach works too. i'm not sure why i can't just do message = string(dat) but i'm too lazy to figure it out
sina: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-08#1680863 << it kind of sounds like an erlang cluster? except I guess you are looking for a network of untrusted nodes while erlang cluster all nodes are trusted
a111: Logged on 2017-07-08 20:13 trinque: what it lacks (at least as part of the CLOS standard, afaik) is a standard for how one CLOS program shares objects and methods with another, whether on same box or across the network.
sina: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-09#1681116 << AFAIK there are only three methods of handling this, either read header bytes which specify how many bytes to read, or read until a newline-type char or read a fixed number of bytes. would be interested in discussing that further if others know of better ways to handle, it's an interesting problem. I guess reading a fix number of bytes is preferable.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-09 17:12 phf: arbitrarily sized numbers are a variable sized type. gotta figure out ~some~ way of packing them. you're essentially left with type tagged size variation (if a byte is 0, then next struct is 8byte, if a byte is 1, then next struct is 16byte), but at the end you still will end up falling back to "read this number to know how many bytes to read"
sina: it's an in memory key value store with concurrency business
sina: in golang :D
mircea_popescu: the advantage of cryptography is that you can say "all messages are 64kb" or w/e.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-12#1681854 == 'airplane is just like boat except that it moves in the air instead of sea, trivial'
a111: Logged on 2017-07-12 09:21 sina: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-08#1680863 << it kind of sounds like an erlang cluster? except I guess you are looking for a network of untrusted nodes while erlang cluster all nodes are trusted
shinohai: "Hey my new Windows 10 install isn't bloated enough, any fix for that?" http://archive.is/CqOVm
asciilifeform: '...a barebone Ubuntu operating system that runs under the Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL), which is mainly targeted at developers who don't want to build a dual-boot machine running both Windows 10 and the latest Ubuntu Linux release.' lol
shinohai: Still conveniently runs *everything* as suid 0, last time I checked.
asciilifeform: i liked cygwin moar
asciilifeform: ( when was stuck in winblowz salt mine )
asciilifeform: even built x11 for it
asciilifeform: practically ~indistinguishable from human os , when in fullscreen
asciilifeform: had 'ratpoison', proper emacs, sbcl, gcc, whole shebang
asciilifeform: would build unmodified sources for whatever.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-12#1681859 << from my pov this proggy dun actually ~do~ anything other than being a skin on top of google's libs
a111: Logged on 2017-07-12 09:39 sina: it's an in memory key value store with concurrency business
asciilifeform: so it isn't 'a db', it's an api shim
asciilifeform: like the thing nvidia ships with its turdballs.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-12#1681862 << lol, and if I squint hard enough she's as good as female!
a111: Logged on 2017-07-12 13:23 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-12#1681854 == 'airplane is just like boat except that it moves in the air instead of sea, trivial'
shinohai: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2371.23, vol: 12839.02311130 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2333.999, vol: 4399.06916 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2344.8, vol: 22652.8201857 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2459.911473, vol: 7817.56330000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2372.506, vol: 7636.48223221 | Volume-weighted last average: 2370.15531129
asciilifeform: lol the original 'get them idiot orcses usin' diddled crypto' nsavictory
asciilifeform: 'A former judge who played a leading part in one of France's biggest murder inquiries has been found dead at home with a plastic bag over his head.'
asciilifeform: heya mod6 mircea_popescu
mod6: :] Gentlemen.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dun worry alf, momstate's on top of things an' relevant an' errything.
mod6: Pantsuits. On scene.
asciilifeform: everybody laughs at the french, but when's the last time somebody solved american judge
mircea_popescu: this spring iirc.
asciilifeform: dun seem to have made it into tehl0gz
asciilifeform: or wait !
a111: Logged on 2017-04-13 15:30 asciilifeform: in yet-other lulz, https://archive.is/mcaLO >> 'NEW YORK -- Sheila Abdus-Salaam, an associate judge on New York state's highest court and the first African-American woman to serve on that bench, was found dead Wednesday in the Hudson River, authorities said. ... became the first Muslim judge in the United States when she started serving on the state Supreme Court in 1994 ... On the court, Abdus-Salaam was among the most reliable and
BingoBoingo: <mod6> Pantsuits. On scene. << Pantsuit, now with 50% more elastic for FUPA security
mod6: DONT DELAY! SECURE YOUR FUPA TODAY!
mod6: I'm pretty sure I'm gonna like sword & axe time.
asciilifeform: so far, only mop and bucket time.
mircea_popescu: these dorks.
mircea_popescu: they're forking the etherwebs over there. plox care.
mircea_popescu: all the teams sucked this superbowl so please focus all discussion on some aging mulatto's nipple slip ty.
mircea_popescu: do your part to keep america relevant, soviet.
mod6: hook me up with some of dat blogger speed yoh
mod6: so one day, i did do a test of ent with like ~1gb worth of '1's in a file just to see if the testing tool would hork.
mod6: indeed, did fail with some resonably expected outputs from each test. i'll have to try it again with doing like 100 consecutive 1's per Mb.
mod6: see if I can sneak one past the golie.
mod6: The Chi^2 test should be interesting to see what percentile it falls into and weather this butts up against Knuth's "suspicious" boundary.
mod6: ahem. *whether.
mod6: If my keyboard would zap me everytime I misspelled a word, I'd like to think that I'd refrain.
mod6: *que image of leads on balls*
BingoBoingo: You might refrain, lesser homo spaiens may end up freed when their balls decay to the point the leads are no longer attached
mod6: Heh, maybe.
BingoBoingo: To find the answer we, in the tradition of our peoples, must consult the ever informative mengele files
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-12#1681775 << i'm happy to configure donated hardware to be useful to the republic; if machines need a home i can arrange for that as well
a111: Logged on 2017-07-12 03:15 mod6: mircea_popescu: thanks for the suggestion, I shall think on it.
mod6: Thanks ben_vulpes!
mircea_popescu: "But the real morals of the story is that one must be able to employ every little part of the animal you kill, like the man does so that womenz can stuff that many more people into thje same fucking acre. won't you be happy then!"
asciilifeform: no 'so', causes not purposes!11
mircea_popescu: song. instrument of the purposuit crowd.
asciilifeform: instrument of all living things.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the song, you mean ? or the spurious reinterpretation into "moral" ?
asciilifeform: song, in general
asciilifeform: mod6 et al : moar gnatology for fun an' profit : add -S -fverbose-asm to your -cargs to replace .o output with readable asmolade
asciilifeform: ( sadly heathen gas syntax. currently i do not know if this can be changed to godly nasm )
mod6: bah. i like gas!
asciilifeform: try writing it sometime. that'll cureya
mod6: i totally have.
mod6: reminds me of perl maybe. lol
mircea_popescu: and in other emergencies, http://68.media.tumblr.com/4eb71c0bcec1be3d68d6ecb35cb8cd12/tumblr_ohzxwrQ4yb1vm0vvfo1_400.gif
a111: Logged on 2017-07-11 22:02 mircea_popescu: every stroke is precious, every stroke is good
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-12#1681875 << this is actually a pretty strong line of argument. "not the work of a programmer, but the work of a designer."
a111: Logged on 2017-07-12 14:38 asciilifeform: so it isn't 'a db', it's an api shim
asciilifeform: the work of a d00d who spraypaints gusts of flame onto toyota to 'make race car'
mod6: hey, it makes it faster
mircea_popescu: in other not-rly-lulz, global warming or no, it is definitely A LOT rainier in costa rica than it was 10-15 years ago
mircea_popescu: 3x sorta thing.
mod6: related to this, it had seemed to me that since i've moved back to mn, we've gotten a lot less snow than what i remember as a kid in the 80s.
mircea_popescu: well, you're welcome to take all this water back any time.
mod6: but this chart seems to indicate that during the 60s-mid-80s we had higher-than-normal snowfall over the interval: https://www.climatestations.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/mspsnow2.jpg
mircea_popescu: i expect i have seen 5 to 10k hours of solid tropical rain the past three months.
mod6: it does seem, aside from this year, that we have gotten more rain recently.
mod6: here's the precipitation chart: https://www.climatestations.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/MSPPRCP.gif
mircea_popescu: wp-content eh!
jurov: https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1707/1707.01204.pdf human computation password schemes, one-way functions, PRNGs
jurov: maybe some useful bits but rather underwhelming paper
asciilifeform: 'Specifically, we restrict supercomputer adversaries to at most 1024 (Avogadro’s number) steps' << wai
mircea_popescu: the model is bullshit.
mircea_popescu: human "computation" is not functional.
asciilifeform: 'Why this particular number? The intent here is to have as example a SPECIFIC MEMORABLE number (in this case, Avogadro’s number) that is roughly the minimum size sufficient to keep adversaries at bay – adversaries that have a week’s time on the fastest 2016-17 supercomputer, which in January 2017 can do 1017 petaflops/sec = 6x10^22 flops/week. In general, the specific number will depend on current technology.'
asciilifeform: it limps on 1st page.
asciilifeform reads on..
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and predictably they've no idea what "a step" is./
mircea_popescu: anyway : ready way to blow this out of water. human can compute mpfhf by hand ; not reversable.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: subj is about 'compute in their heads'
asciilifeform: not paper.
asciilifeform: 1st sentence.
mircea_popescu: people don't fucking compute in their heads.
asciilifeform: i can run x86 binary on paper, and so can whoever, it ain't interesting.
mircea_popescu: this is like people frustrated they can't make airplanes, deciding to create a "through-wall bird model of flight", proceeding to prove birds don't "fly" in the sense of, "through walls".
mircea_popescu: got little bird cannons and erry thing, bird firing range, variety of "Standard" walls, brick, whatever.
mircea_popescu: wtf is this idiocy.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mnemonists, various stage magicians, computed respectably long arithmetizations in heads. but this d00d seems to concern with 'people'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have a whole gallery of mostly females that swallowed long silicone strands "in their head"
mircea_popescu: wtf is that to do with anything, above and beyond "our ai consists of think()" ?
mircea_popescu: whole fucking point of human brain is to avoid the walls of computation.
mircea_popescu: !#s two calorie dragonfly
a111: 0 results for "two calorie dragonfly", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=two%20calorie%20dragonfly
mircea_popescu: yeah well, the discussion's in there.
mod6: lel, the trackless wastes one is pretty good.
asciilifeform: gotta say it, the 'human functions' thing is a sphericalhorse snoar.
mircea_popescu: if it were fucking functional, it'd have been done in the 60s already.
asciilifeform: and clearly written by someone entirely innocent of mnemonist art
mircea_popescu: not like much brighter minds than these two belated if unemployagble schmucks TRIED THAT TO DEATH
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform clearly written by someone entirely inncoent of anything beyond reddit and lolpics.com
asciilifeform: blum ain't a redditus
asciilifeform: though i have nfi who vempala is
asciilifeform: sounds like an untouchable servant
asciilifeform: ( or politruk.. )
mircea_popescu: here, live and for the first time in the world, i give you the manuel blum & santosh vempala silicone model of brain computation : https://68.media.tumblr.com/45271fd5a728dffd2aff8ec6e37e12ab/tumblr_nnztkqVQlT1untuzto1_400.gif
mircea_popescu: i figured it out with my functional breadbox
asciilifeform: ( same blum as in blum-blum-shub )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform takes a year to make a wine cask, and five minutes to take a piss in it.
asciilifeform: lol swordswallower
mircea_popescu: IT GOEs IN HER HEAD!!!!1
mircea_popescu: "yeah but it also misses the point" "WE ARE THE EMPIRE OF MISSING THE POINT!!!"
asciilifeform: 'Штирлицу выстрелили в голову. "Разрывная"- подумал он пораскинув мозгами.'
asciilifeform: ( approx. ~= 'stierlitz (hero of '17 moments of spring') takes a bullet in the head. 'it's a dumdum', thought stierlitz, scatter-brained' )
phf: (how apropos, i'm about to embark on 17 moments of spring watch through with girl)
mod6: i want google to tell me if my pw is 100% kthxbye!
a111: Logged on 2016-12-24 23:12 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-24#1590325 << your password is now TMSR Safe(tm) certified. we have analyzed your password using stochastic gradient reduction methods(tm) that have determined that your password is safe from hackers. we recommend changing your existing passwords that are not TMSR Safe(tm) to your new TMSR Safe(tm) password. Ask our representative about helpful tips: how to change your Pretty Good Privacy password to TMSR
mod6: merry xmas eh
mod6: <+asciilifeform> lol swordswallower << not bad, but not as good as the two from Monday!
phf: asciilifeform: you might find this entertaining, http://flibusta.is/b/426177/read (also nerfed version, but i didn't compare http://flibusta.is/b/352948/read)
mod6: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-7-8#4f359a25-2b0f-49f6-a1aa-0ae5c6488ddb << christ, was on saturday
phf: "Свершилось. ПРИШЛИ НЕМЦЫ! Сначала было трудно поверить. Вылезли мы из щели и видим – идут два настоящих немецких солдата. Все бросились к ним." etc.
asciilifeform: phf: ty. as it happens i just finished http://militera.lib.ru/memo/russian/miheenkov_se05/index.html
asciilifeform chronic eater of more or less everything on that w4r3z
asciilifeform: from phf's link, 'Бомбят, а нам не страшно. Бомбы-то освободительные. И так думают и чувствуют все. Никто не боится бомб.' mighty lulzy
asciilifeform: evidently these are the very same famous chix who lined up for the hairdressers because 'germans soon'
asciilifeform: 'Кто такая Л. Осипова конкретно, я не знаю (да и зачем?). Судя по дневникам, яркая (и ярая) представительница 'русской интеллигенции» 10-х годов прошлого века, метко охарактеризованной Ильичом (не касается интеллигенции вообще). 'Немцы-освободи
asciilifeform: тели», 'освободительные бомбы», 'друзья из СД» и пр., пр., пр. Ко 22-му июня Осипова — оголтелая ненавистница советского строя, истово жаждущая прихода немцев, чтоб они всех 'освободили». Несмотря на тяготы и лишения военного времени, Осипова
asciilifeform: ни разу не усомнилась в гнусности предыдущей советской жизни. В дневнике встречаются изумительнейшие повремённые жемчужины! ' << review elsewhere
mod6: all i see is unicode
asciilifeform: '... going by the diaries, a bright and eager exemplar of 'russian intelligentsia' of the 10s of the last century... 'german liberators', 'liberation bombs', 'friends from the sd', etc '
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: vintage wank
asciilifeform: phf: that thing is a riot !
asciilifeform: i wonder if there's a pantsuit translation
mod6: heeey, wb
shinohai: Hold up chicken-scratch behind Janet Yellen, reddit goes apeshit and send you free coin: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEjurnSV0AA_gH4.jpg
shinohai: I'm in the wrong fucking business.
asciilifeform: shinohai: wat am i looking at
mod6: i posted the vid earlier
asciilifeform: i saw the film
asciilifeform: did not see a btc addr in it
asciilifeform: so what means 'for' ?
asciilifeform: is this same 'for' as when the good doktor chowdhra offered to accept nobel 'for satoshi' ?
diana_coman: mod6, thanks!
shinohai: Supposedly the "for" is Alan Shillbert setting up tipjr for him cuz "he dun wanna b doxxed"
asciilifeform: shinohai: i said this before, and will say again, vodka is better than reddit any day and hour of the week
asciilifeform: shinohai: reading redditisms is the direct intellectual equivalent of sniffing glue.
asciilifeform: it's got 0 up-side.
shinohai: I have my reasons.
mod6: Back in the day some guy wandered in here and got 10 btc for sharpie in pooper.
jhvh1: Man must not live on reddit alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of alf ... http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-12#1682044
mircea_popescu: did silbert's pooper get 10 btc together yet ?
asciilifeform: lol shinohai
BingoBoingo: At this point alf is prolly moar the religous hard liner than danielpbarron
mod6: naw, but alf has seen a lot of atrocities, and therefor has some axioms about things.
BingoBoingo: Well, religion doesn't start with invisible friend. Starts with axioms. Parabels acrete. Then editor makes narrative cohesive enough to sell.
asciilifeform sat and puzzled, 'did he mean parabellum, or... parable'
BingoBoingo: Well, weaponized story...
BingoBoingo: Breaking News: Numerous Casualties Result From Chemical Weapons attack by TMSR Lord
BingoBoingo: In response to the kleptocratic aggressions and vandalism against his tomatoes, TMSR Lord BingoBoingo deployed the organophosphate nerve agent carbaryl against the evil Stink Bug order 'Pentatomidae.' The casualties will likely never be counted, but an estimated "dozen or so" stink bugs are dead or actively dying at the time of this writing. Civilian casualties among untargeted insects as a result of the TMSR Lord's chemical weapons use
BingoBoingo: are estimated to exceed one hundred thousand.
BingoBoingo: ^ In the collateral damage files
mod6: i love the smell of organophosphate in the morning
BingoBoingo: lol shinohai
mod6: that looks pretty good there ya.
mod6: fuggin captchas
mod6: JUST LET ME SEE THE FUCKING JPG
mod6: shit is gonna give me a stroke one of these times.
asciilifeform: pictured subj actually does not work reliably
asciilifeform: rat knows how to 'see' electric field
asciilifeform: proper murine electric chair works differently. switches on the hv after low-voltage conductivity sensor (use 2 transistors in the kindergarten scheme) closes.
mod6: i thought it was just a creative fly swatter
asciilifeform: mod6: in the photo is pretty obvious rat attempt
asciilifeform: ( 2 wires on the iron floor, 1 in the air with bait )
asciilifeform: ideally you also want some provision for switching ~off~ the current. or at least something reasonably fireproof beneath.
asciilifeform: in usa there are off-the-shelf electric rat zappers, they work ok, but difficult to clean on account of idiotic 'childproof' construction.
mod6: everything is child-proof. don't get me started about the soviet gas can.
asciilifeform: funnily enough actual soviet gas can was a 100% solid clone of the german one, probably to this day made in ru
asciilifeform: indestructible, steel
asciilifeform: well, progenitor of subj.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mod6: in the photo is pretty obvious rat attempt << I thought it was for chihuahuas
mod6: ya, those actually seem "great" compared to this pos: http://ec-i21.geccdn.net/site/images/177x177/30860144.jpg
mod6: they have this frickin lock/unlock "spill proof" neck on them. that i have to simply discard cause i can't figure out how to use it.
asciilifeform: mod6: it breaks after 3-4 uses also
mod6: now i just pour out the normal widemouth with a funnel. spill gas everywhere.
asciilifeform: locks ~closes~ forever
mod6: eat my dick epa.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: it breaks after 3-4 uses also << for sure. sad.
BingoBoingo: There's a "trigger activated" variety that sucks a bit less. Prolly best to make the jump to https://archive.is/FUoB6
BingoBoingo: essentially widemouth with attached funnel
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: last i saw, you can still get blackmarket traditional 'jerry can'.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not really blackmarket
asciilifeform: forget the 'modern' rubbish.
mod6: ya, that doesnt look as bad. i could go on for hours. how the government complicates how i pour liquid out of a container.
asciilifeform: mod6: it was a deliberate fuckyou-and-whatchagonnadoaboutit to people who actually work
asciilifeform: 'will they swallow this or finally hang us' 'they swallowed it' 'GREAT! let's obummercare some moar'
asciilifeform: iirc over in the heathen huts they call this stratagem 'shit test'
mod6: can't argue with that.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mod6: it was a deliberate fuckyou-and-whatchagonnadoaboutit to people who actually work << Not like pantsuit gets to interact with men anyother way
BingoBoingo: Anyways, the Obama-can rules don't appear to apply to metal "safety" containers
BingoBoingo: Serious conspiracy by "big gascan"
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not that you can actually buy those in a civilian shop
BingoBoingo: What do you mean "not in a civilian shop"?
asciilifeform: this is like the opterons thread all over again.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform could tell you where to get a opteron, or a dozen. but not where to get 10,000 by august.
asciilifeform: or next august.
BingoBoingo: This is pointedly no opteron thread. 10,000 could likely be had by late September and $maxint certainly had by next August
ben_vulpes: mod6: plenty of great, green, steel gas cans with no idiocy for sale on 'ebay'
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: opterons too
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-12#1682055 << i actually spent a minute trying to trace the etymology of "parabel" until finally figured out wtf it is.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-12 21:02 BingoBoingo: Well, religion doesn't start with invisible friend. Starts with axioms. Parabels acrete. Then editor makes narrative cohesive enough to sell.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-12#1682056 << then i moved to next line in logs, noticed it's actually a tmsr-caltrop this thing
a111: Logged on 2017-07-12 21:03 asciilifeform sat and puzzled, 'did he mean parabellum, or... parable'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-12#1682081 << funny, just mentioned this today. anyway, bog standard jerry can. patent prolly held by us 1900s car co.
mircea_popescu: ah as it turns out, it's actually wehrmacht-einheitskannister. nazi invention.
asciilifeform: and great invention.
asciilifeform: literally unimprovable imho.
asciilifeform: 'jerry' incidentally is a hint: it was unknown in english world prior to ww2
asciilifeform: ( what did they use? the pieces of shit that need funnels )
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> mod6: plenty of great, green, steel gas cans with no idiocy for sale on 'ebay' << werd
mircea_popescu: krautzes actually had emptying duration specifications and shit.
mod6: i gotta get one and try it out
asciilifeform: not just 'emptying durations', whole thing was actually thought through -- could be carried by 1 or 2, 1 man can comfortably lift 2 full or 4 empties; they stacked; allowed for thermal expand; would float in the sea, even if full; etc
asciilifeform: exactly the kind of 'unsexy' great engineering that adds up to a working tech civilization.
mircea_popescu: well, to a nazi empire at least.
asciilifeform: to all modern armies.
mircea_popescu: if you find anything that works in an us army item, let me know.
asciilifeform: the humble jerry can.
asciilifeform: ( for nao !! )
mircea_popescu: they no longer use it
trinque: they replaced it
mircea_popescu: was army spec, got obsoleted.
asciilifeform: did they? with what ?
trinque: with an idiot plastic thing
asciilifeform: iirc nato spec still iron
mircea_popescu: it is, get this, more envirowhiny er
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nato doesn't have a spec. for anything. look you it up.
asciilifeform: these folks are tired of living, ain't they.
asciilifeform still finds it strange that american drivers dun have 2 full jerry cans in their trunk at all times
asciilifeform: why let the empty space go to waste!11
mircea_popescu: also space station ?
mircea_popescu: space in vehicle is never empty empty.
mircea_popescu: anyway, if they found you woithj two nazi cans of fuel they'd prolly hang you. wrecking through petrol stockpiliong or w/e.
asciilifeform: now this is true, have you met these folx? picture 100kg of plastic 'food' wrappers etc
asciilifeform: in a 2door auto.
asciilifeform: stockpiling rubbish is somehow 'national sport' here.
mircea_popescu: motorized dumpster!
asciilifeform: (eng subs work)
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the impact of tech still lingers. for eg : my bmw tank actually is 2 cans.
asciilifeform: sounds small
asciilifeform: 20 L ??
mircea_popescu: 43 or so.
asciilifeform: that's 4+
mircea_popescu is fixated on the 20l ro version for some reason\
mod6: <+asciilifeform> stockpiling rubbish is somehow 'national sport' here. << lol so true!
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> very. << indeed
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> anyway, if they found you woithj two nazi cans of fuel they'd prolly hang you. wrecking through petrol stockpiliong or w/e. << yeah, you'd think that they'd encourage people to not run out of gas, but nope. in fact, it is highly illegal to run out of gas on the freeway.
mod6: fineable offence. if your wheels fall off, and you come to a grinding halt. no big deal. you may just have to pay for the towtruck. but no fine. run out of gas (preventable), hefty fine.
mircea_popescu: wtf just get off and refill
mircea_popescu: light is set to go off liters before actually out
mod6: "E stands for ``enough''"
mod6: another national sport of kinds
mircea_popescu: tank of gas = 35k colones = 70bux. comida india = 60k or so colones. etc.
mod6: yeah, here it's $2.20/gal. takes me ~$60 to fill up the burby.
mircea_popescu: o i know. everyone else pays two bux a liter ; except the "enviro conscious" usians, they pay 0.5 a liter.\
mod6: but not a week goes by that some fuckstick isn't standing in line to get $1 worth of gas. aka, fart into his tank.
mircea_popescu: richest country in the world, could buy apple.
mod6: which is not a crime, but jesus, maybe get at least enough to not run out 3 blocks after you leave the gas station.
mod6: lol, bingo.
asciilifeform: mod6: how do you get '$1 worth' ? drip from the nozzle ?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mod6: how do you get '$1 worth' ? drip from the nozzle ? << Cut your number of wheels in half
mod6: basically. they go inside, throw the jockey some change, and then pump ~.4 gals
mod6: it boggles the mind.
mircea_popescu: i wonder how the lube job goes.
mircea_popescu: "today, we're only changing the top can of oil"
mod6: BingoBoingo makes a good point. even the motorcycles get more.
asciilifeform: mod6: why to do this?!
mod6: beyond my imagination.
mod6: lol, actually. no.
mod6: they get an $8.50 pack of cigs, and $1 of gas.
mod6: cigs, gotta have those. NO MATTER WHAT.
mod6: don't get me started about the people and their fucking lotto tickets.
asciilifeform: why not sell the auto then. think how much tobacco it'd buy
mircea_popescu: i imagine not owned outright
mod6: couldnt possibly be. somehow scammed lender.
BingoBoingo: <mod6> don't get me started about the people and their fucking lotto tickets. << BUT ELLIOT!!!
mod6: "have job; professional blogger"
mod6: "even have blogger internet speed!"
mod6: the worst part about the lotto tickets people, is they buy them, then more often than not (it seems like), insist on scratching them off right there and then.
mod6: WHILE YOU WAIT BEHIND THEM!
mircea_popescu: do the various "states" / scams still actually pay anything on those ?
mircea_popescu: iirc ill-inois gave up all pretense
asciilifeform: i thought the whole point of lotto is to walk around with the 'schrodinger' ticker, picture bathtubs of money etc
BingoBoingo: Illinois apparently went back to paying lottery, giving up on paying anything else
mod6: apparently. although, i recently read that illinois just had to shut down their lotto service ... and powerball pulled out of there?
mircea_popescu: thyey got their priorities right
asciilifeform: wats the point of blowing its wad on the spot.
mod6: not 100% sure if that was true or not though.
mircea_popescu: if alf had a rock of crack he'd prolly go around with it luring crackwhores rather than smoking it all right then and there also.
BingoBoingo: <mod6> apparently. although, i recently read that illinois just had to shut down their lotto service ... and powerball pulled out of there? << It's back now. The General Assembly had to suck a lot of other state's dicks, but it's back
mircea_popescu: you don't understand how the underworld works, yo.
mod6: BingoBoingo: lol. priorities. people need to feel like "they can be a winner too!"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: picture, when i go fishing i dun even eat the worms along the way
asciilifeform: save, imagine, for the... fish