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mircea_popescu: if only.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FD162B31879C672C96D73E23BAB02B76FF039BA477742ACF9809A289FE396DFD << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1653...6469 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '81.23.231.50 (ssh-rsa key from 81.23.231.50 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown NL)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2603E5793CB991AA1E823AA9593E4B505D1B151FCA4968D98F5AB1A2C19EA342 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1619...1397 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '84.39.102.163 (ssh-rsa key from 84.39.102.163 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (lvps62-112-143-163.my-maxxserver.de. DE)
shinohai: ^ heh cock
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform thinking about it, the walker scheme doesn't seem too great. the theoretical objection is that it ~does~ introduce structure, through the convention that the walker moves from where it last moved. in practice though, run a few simulations over a 16bit message which you can then print as a 256x256 bitmap. your walker makes anthills basically.
mircea_popescu: pretty wasteful use of entropy.
mircea_popescu: ajhajajaja roger ver owns bitcoins ?
mircea_popescu: good thing there's reddit. now that yahoo "finance" closed the public boards, where'd all the scum go.
shinohai would love to see Ver successfully do Unlimited fork, lose all BTC on phorked side
mircea_popescu: eh, guy last had any btc cca 2014.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes lol that leclerc dude is visiting your blog on a weekly basis ? 2, 9, then nobody gave a shit so he skipped 16 and i guess 23, we see him on the 30th ?
mircea_popescu: in other lulz : http://www.forbes.com/sites/nataliesportelli/2015/08/24/meet-the-millennials-crowdfunding-their-college-tuition no longer exists. do you suppose this is because a) it turned out that no idiot millenials tried this or b) because the scamsites pretending to be offering a service involved complained to the usg dept of scamsites which then passed a hitler note to the usg dept of scamnews ?
mircea_popescu: "we have always been at war with fake news such as any item that is politically inconvenient today."
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-24#1590091 << didja try it? and, importantly, was it with a physical trng?? because noshit , ~prng~ will structurize ...
a111: Logged on 2016-12-24 14:17 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform thinking about it, the walker scheme doesn't seem too great. the theoretical objection is that it ~does~ introduce structure, through the convention that the walker moves from where it last moved. in practice though, run a few simulations over a 16bit message which you can then print as a 256x256 bitmap. your walker makes anthills basically.
mircea_popescu: yes. a point n distance from origin has more chances of being walked over than a point 2n distance from origin by a factor of about 1.4
asciilifeform: you naturally gotta run long enough for p(walked all many times) to ~= 1
mircea_popescu: this resolves the part where "all have been walked" though not the part where there's structure intrinsic in the method.
mircea_popescu: moreover, to be 99% sure 100% of 64kb were walked, you need millions of steps.
asciilifeform: that, you do, i warned.
mircea_popescu: specifically 256kb does not even remotely promise for 64kb to be walked. you get a third untouched more than half the time.
asciilifeform: i estimated a 16 fold margin.
mircea_popescu: it was 3 fold yest.
mircea_popescu: the correct margin is N^2
asciilifeform: 3x was ~minimal inescapable bloat with no entropy~
a111: Logged on 2016-12-24 01:15 asciilifeform: the useful envelope of operation comes when you have at least ~16x the bottom limit.
asciilifeform: but that was anally calculated. i have not tried with trng yet.
asciilifeform: and yes, the cost is high. but i remain unconvinced that a better method exists.
asciilifeform: i suspect that one could even prove that it cannot.
mircea_popescu: "better" is not a mathematical concept.
mircea_popescu: so no, one couldn't prove such.
asciilifeform: there is a specific job involved
asciilifeform: that is quantifiable
asciilifeform: that was actually where i stopped last time. to properly and rigorously define the problem
asciilifeform: informally stated , it is 'spread out k bits over j bits, j>k, such that the bitness of k that can be learned from knowing any 1 bit of j is minimized, and such that knowledge of a
asciilifeform: all but one bit of j,
asciilifeform: of k rather
asciilifeform: gives NO knowledge of j.'
asciilifeform: rivest wss afaik the first to ask for this. but he and afaik everybody since him, used hashes.
asciilifeform: i suspect that a good bit of crypto research was lobotomized by historic rng poverty.
asciilifeform: (and not merely by the obvious lobotomist)
mircea_popescu: this may well be true yes.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-24 14:39 mircea_popescu: in other lulz : http://www.forbes.com/sites/nataliesportelli/2015/08/24/meet-the-millennials-crowdfunding-their-college-tuition no longer exists. do you suppose this is because a) it turned out that no idiot millenials tried this or b) because the scamsites pretending to be offering a service involved complained to the usg dept of scamsites which then passed a hitler note to the usg dept of scamnews ?
asciilifeform: (link -- loads, has a turd by same title and stock photos of 'collegiate' crapolade, i did not read further )
mircea_popescu: but yes, the statement is correct. to restate : 1. padding is defined as a function F (x, y) with x, y and F ∈ N such that 2. F is defined for all (x, y) pairs and that 3. given any set of boolean functions Ki(x) along with their values no Kj(y) can be constructed so their values are known besides K0(y) = true for K0(a) = 1 if a=y and 0 if a!=y and 4. given any set of boolean functions Ki(y) along with their values no Kj(x)
mircea_popescu: can be constructed so their values are known besides K0(x) = true for K0(a) = 1 if a=x and 0 if a!=x.
mircea_popescu: importantly - there is no need for the payload and the padding to be distinguishable.
mircea_popescu: so the statement should be symmetrical.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's nice, it 404'd before!
asciilifeform: it is an absolute fail for payload and padding to live in separate and known-to-enemy bitfields, yes
mircea_popescu: more than that : there can't be conceptual difference between number x and number y.
mircea_popescu: the padding pads the message just as the message pads the padding.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/who-pops-the-largest-pop/ << Trilema - Who pops the largest pop ?
asciilifeform: also betcha this problem could be reduced to shannon's noisy channel.
asciilifeform: (it also has entirely separate component that is rivest's 'all or nothing transform')
asciilifeform: i.e. problem is really two problems.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm entirely not up to speed to this, but there actually exists this field in math, of "boolean function sets"
mircea_popescu: they more or less udnerstand they're a formalisation of what the more numerate philosophers call the theory of knowledge.
mircea_popescu: (the above boolean function K is an evident extension of the dericlet function ftr)
mircea_popescu: dirichlet*
mircea_popescu: !!up gabriel_laddel
deedbot: gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
gabriel_laddel: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-24#1589829 < I was in a coffee shop and it cut me from IRC, like most wifi networks around here do.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-24 00:21 asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel_p ... has joined #trilema ... * gabriel_laddel_p has quit (Client Quit) << d00d lost his SECOND key, lemme guess..?
gabriel_laddel: That being said, I'm trying to decrypt my OTP and "gpg: decryption failed: secret key not available".
gabriel_laddel: Re-created (some of) dired in CL last night, perhaps I accidentally deleted it...
gabriel_laddel: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-24#1589832 < blood is in the water, it's fun!
a111: Logged on 2016-12-24 00:23 asciilifeform: i dun even want to picture how the d00d lives.
mircea_popescu: devwork must be pretty hectic with all this accidental deleting.
gabriel_laddel: Something like that - was hacking out the gesture :control-meta-click in CLIM and was clicking around a lot with it bound to COM-DELETE-FILE
gabriel_laddel: for some reason this required a restart of the application, which _should not be a thing_ in cl.
asciilifeform: at least it wasn't COM-LAUNCH-ROCKETS..
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: how's the hardware biz?
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: I have talentless thiel fellows trying to lowball me at the moment, but expect that they'll pay up soon enough.
gabriel_laddel: As I said: blood is in the water - it's fun.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FD162B31879C672C96D73E23BAB02B76FF039BA477742ACF9809A289FE396DFD << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1459...6859 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '81.23.231.50 (ssh-rsa key from 81.23.231.50 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown NL)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2603E5793CB991AA1E823AA9593E4B505D1B151FCA4968D98F5AB1A2C19EA342 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1393...5107 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '84.39.102.163 (ssh-rsa key from 84.39.102.163 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (lvps62-112-143-163.my-maxxserver.de. DE)
shinohai: lol @ oglaf
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: are there glassblowing robots for custom labware yet?
mircea_popescu is curious if the forum will prefer gabriel_laddel parked in sv start-up over gabriel_laddel parked in park.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: I was working for a startup a while ago - but they released toxic fumes into the air without a fume hood, so I quit.
mircea_popescu: you mean literally ?
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: what's on your mind?
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: yes.
gabriel_laddel: I don't know what it is with the people here, but they're all fucking idiots.
mircea_popescu: wow check that out, evne in cali
gabriel_laddel: I left out the key part of that story - they released the fumes indoors, in a building the offices they were occupying.
gabriel_laddel: *in a building connected to
mircea_popescu: what fumes ?
gabriel_laddel: Am not sure. Saw the synth running with broken fume hood, a cracked window and gtfo.
mircea_popescu: what, like a peptide synth ?
mircea_popescu: good lord, carcinogenics etc are quite possible.
gabriel_laddel: I did sign an NDA, so I'm not going to get into the details of what exactly we were cooking. But yes, it was most certainly toxic.
gabriel_laddel: speaking of nuts, it appears I somehow managed to delete my private key, registering a new one I suppose. And backing it up this time.
gabriel_laddel: common lisp rsa when
gabriel_laddel: wasn't there a scheme implementation dropped into the logs a long time ago?
gabriel_laddel: should be a google groups link
gabriel_laddel: I had it on a (now dead) harddrive 1.5+ years ago iirc.
asciilifeform: adlai has one
asciilifeform not tried
a111: Logged on 2016-12-24 16:51 mircea_popescu: what, like a peptide synth ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-24#1590173 << how often do you need custom glass, gabriel_laddel ??
a111: Logged on 2016-12-24 16:40 gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: are there glassblowing robots for custom labware yet?
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: thus far, never. but it sounds like a fun thing to automate if no one has done it already
gabriel_laddel: along with: machine learning optimized, mechanically articlulated "smartphone" autodialer
asciilifeform: i suspect that chemists of old days used a great bit more custom glass than today not only because borosilicate was not a thing (and so, easier to melt) but also because their ground joints sucked
asciilifeform: whereas modern joints are quite reasonably tight
asciilifeform: !!up gabriel_laddel
deedbot: gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: so generally you can make your custom whatever, out of standard parts.
asciilifeform: (where did PeterL go... he might have something to say to this.)
gabriel_laddel: to complete the autodialer picture: the latest way american corps try to do "IP protection" is to only let you access data from one phone. Writing a program to drive stylus + camera that digs through arbitrary apps and sucks all the information out of them using OCR would be a lot of fun
gabriel_laddel: all the pharmacy techs right now are running these "apps", which operate as a database interface to all the "copyright blah blah blah protected" pharama data
mircea_popescu: the joint objection is quite solid.
mircea_popescu: most resilient use of self-blown glass was because "it's the only way to get a proper seal"
asciilifeform: !!up gabriel_laddel_p
deedbot: gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes.
gabriel_laddel_p: seems I didn't delete new key, but rather forgot to change my nick to gabriel_laddel_p
gabriel_laddel_p: anyways, can and did up self.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-22 17:58 asciilifeform: common lisp committee was hobbled by babelism, had to stuff in the redundant idiocies, and never got to, say, actually developing streams properly (why the fuck are we stuck with hacks like gray streams? and where is the commonlisp with ~working~ mop ? etc)
asciilifeform: how about that it isn't in the standard ?
asciilifeform: and that it is a mile of duct tape.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-24#1590209 << this sounds like a monumentally retarded idea. enemy will immediately see that you are flipping through the crapola, and 'snowden detection' is the fashionable 'must have!111' corporate idiocy. pull the NAND flash like a real man.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-24 17:00 gabriel_laddel: to complete the autodialer picture: the latest way american corps try to do "IP protection" is to only let you access data from one phone. Writing a program to drive stylus + camera that digs through arbitrary apps and sucks all the information out of them using OCR would be a lot of fun
asciilifeform: or at the very least properly pwn the pnoje, it isn't as if this were especially arduous.
mircea_popescu: snowden detection eh.
asciilifeform: or whatever to call the nonsense where 'oh noez, mr.slave is flipping pages TOO FAST'
asciilifeform: i dug up, last year, an inqtel-funded thing where... camera watches, it claims, for eyes of evil snowgnomes peeking at screen, etc.
asciilifeform: it is like rerun of 1990s drm idiocy
asciilifeform: every 'security software co' in usa wants in.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-24#1590218 << i cannot resist going back to this and giving it another whack of the spiked club. this variant definition of 'works', whereby things such as clim supposedly 'work', how would folks such as gabriel_laddel like if their cpu worked like this ? on and off, when weather is just right, and randomly melts on odd-numbered thursdays, and 'oh dontcha know you gotta jiggle the handle', and 'wtf did
a111: Logged on 2016-12-24 17:27 gabriel_laddel_p: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-22#1588427 < what is wrong with c2mop?
asciilifeform: you really expect real time response, what are you , a martian' or, or, or
asciilifeform: this 'works' is a pestilence and is largely why clueful greybeards from the meat world , e.g., mircea_popescu , unzip and piss on programmers simply for sport
asciilifeform: dun like drinking piss? then stop being known for 'travail arabe' .
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally that nonsense is only superficially related to snowden. in practice it is an extension of the "artificial intelligence" used in "spam detection", especially as the doomed but desperate attempt at websites to fight the republican bots.
mircea_popescu: the other expansion of that is of course the whole "mechanical fakenews detection"
mircea_popescu: basically, the ~one hope of the imperial technologistic church of some sort of practical results is a peculiar form of ai. they're doubling down on it exactly in the manner usg doubled down on "alternative fuels".
mircea_popescu: they will suffer the same fate, too, but until he is killed the death convict still lives like any other.
asciilifeform: the mechanical politruk, which doesn't 'quis custodiet ipsos custodes?', and cannot be bribed, bought, needs 0 rest, can really 'plug into all of the telescreens at one time in the ministry of luvvvv', etc.
asciilifeform: their ancient dream, yes.
mircea_popescu: quite an ancient dream yes
asciilifeform: hence ethertardium etc.
mircea_popescu: the applications to eg banking are beyond lulzy. but they're willing to destroy the currency (currency ? what currency ? dollars don't pay nothing, it's notes from hitler if you want anything done) to try and prop it up because outside of usg.ai there's nothing
asciilifeform: the real megabux are, apparently, not even in 'data leakage prevention', as the earlier crackpottery is known, but in the yet (afaik) nameless ~detection of the turned~
asciilifeform: that is, automated probing for sudden curiosity, or evidence of ideological unreliability of whatever origin.
mircea_popescu: it's in the more general form "detection of edges". they want to identify cars, and go winning strategies, and people who don't like them and everything else.
mircea_popescu: and they expect to do it by pouring lots of gb in very trivial neural/expert systems.
asciilifeform: quite likely there is an eight-figure golden toilet contract right at this very moment to attempt to roster, e.g., ts clearance holders who show symptoms of having used bitcoin. and the like.
mircea_popescu: some comments mp made here last year sent some cold shivers.
asciilifeform: (why not house'em in шарашкаs and be done with it, one might ask)
mircea_popescu: structural difference, alf.
mircea_popescu: "why would girl go to all thetrouble of pretending on facebook when she could just walk up to every guy in sight and go "hey, wanna feel my tits ?"
mircea_popescu: the criterion is not "optimal efficiency", but "optimal efficiency in the paradigm space".
mircea_popescu: they're... not that kind of girl.
asciilifeform: afaik the structural diff is that usa traditionally relied on 'carrots' for the seekrit folx, more than 'sticks'
asciilifeform: but the carrots begin to run out.
mircea_popescu: historical accident be what it may, it can't really be said it constitutes a proper cause.
mircea_popescu: ie, it is because of this, but not for this reason.
mircea_popescu: the funny thing is that the approach is trivially defeated in practice. they're relying on a ~fixed~, unchanging enemy. which naivite in the manner of 3yos and their modelling of environment geometries was previously touched upon.
mircea_popescu: but it's why the two week war isn't done after thirteen.
asciilifeform: usg has become such a loathesome and monstrous thing, that there is no fixed set of 'enemy', every earthworm in every step of ground it steps on, becomes enemy
mircea_popescu: anyway, the fate of the socialist empire in its eternal historical cyclicity is fascinating. so - nazis put everything on large tanks ; and failed. but then soviets put everything on a particular notion of industrialization (steel-per-capita industrialization, so to speak) and... failed. so the one socialist empire left standing is putting it all on "ai". and...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i recall this being said here years ago aha.
mircea_popescu: it was also said cca 1800s, it read like "si de-aceea tot ce misca-n tara asta, riul, ramul imi e prieten numai mie, iara tie - dusman ti-este."
mircea_popescu: it's what "totalitarian" means, after all - everyone is the enemy.
asciilifeform: dusman!! i had nfi that this persian word, known to half the planet, made it as west as ro
mircea_popescu: it's not even some obscure poetic license. basic vocabulary.
asciilifeform: well yes
mircea_popescu: anyway, i suspect on the face, "the difference between stupid 5k cell brains and smart 5k cell brains is in the yottabytes they looked at" is almost persuasive.
mircea_popescu: it certainly is MADE to be persuasive for the sort of minds coming out of ivy league "colleges"
mircea_popescu: which is why we could properly qualify this complex as a memetic virus. it infects, and the host can feel it's infected, but can't prevent the infection.
a111: Logged on 2016-01-26 17:20 ascii_butugychag: (there was a spiffy talk at shmoo, which mentioned how nn used in image recognition usually imprints on what - to a human - would be an entirely accidental cluster of pixels, and if you flip'em, it will recognize an obvious, e.g,. cat, as a refrigerator, etc)
asciilifeform: which, incidentally, i suspect is why alphago has not been trotted again.
asciilifeform: *trotted out
mircea_popescu: well in this model man uses trillions of neurons to process many GBps. what's their tired flatworm brain to do with all of it ? http://trilema.com/2014/the-complexity-of-life-a-triad/ is prolly de rigueur.
asciilifeform: gotta teach the 'grind student' again, by rote, the rote responses to the counterattacks actual people almost immediately came up with.
asciilifeform: so that it can look like 'ai'.
mircea_popescu: (ftr, the "100bn neurons" figure IS MISTAKEN. yes at any point you slice a brain you find something like that ; but neurons also die - yet their death is not automatically in vain now is it!)
asciilifeform: we already saw this movie before, with 'deep blue'
mircea_popescu: (and "death" here means a rather complex thing.)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we had thread about musculature of pan troglodytes, where many fewer cells in the muscle than a man's, but he can tear the man in half. so even for an ordinary mechanical 'strength', counting mass is nonsense.
asciilifeform: nobody thinks of weighing, e.g., 386 vs pentium to learn which one bangs moar for the buck
mircea_popescu: im sure some arabs did it.
asciilifeform: or let's why not weigh james watt's steam engine vs modern diesel and say same thing.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless - the argument as to neuron count is not directly mass ; it is parts. one DOES compare transistor counts.
asciilifeform: even then
asciilifeform: rather like comparing 'lines of code'
asciilifeform: (winblowz - wins!1!! forever!!1)
mircea_popescu: more like comparing "ast nodes". not the best and not the worst measure of complexity.
asciilifeform: they are, to borrow from dijkstra, 'cost, not revenue, no matter how many people insist on writing them down on the wrong side of the ledger'
asciilifeform: complexity -- is a cost. that it sometimes also brings something in return, is incidental.
mircea_popescu: the notion that loc = revenue is not unlike the notion that fucking is something you wanna do. it's work, let the girl work for it!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'loc == revenue' is simply this century's version of chinese/su 'moar steel, revenue!'
asciilifeform: догоним и перегоним! (tm) (r)
a111: Logged on 2014-04-24 22:55 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'Мы Америку догнали. По надоям молока, А по мясу мы отстали: Хуй сломался у быка.'
asciilifeform: to briefly revisit earlier thread, i found an old piece by shoup that utterly demolishes the oaep nonsense. (unfortunately pdfized, and not convertible meaningfully.)
asciilifeform: in exactly the way i expected it would fall down on serious examination
mircea_popescu: prolly worth hand-translating
mircea_popescu: so you can be you know, downvoted on hacker fake news.
asciilifeform: (proved that there necessarily exists a hash boojum , for any given scheme that includes any hash of whatever kind, that makes the algo fall down.)
asciilifeform: y'know, sappers in popular imagination (and sometimes in life) actually clear mines, but just as often simply put little flat into the earth.
asciilifeform: 'here -- mines.'
asciilifeform: so here it is. flag.
asciilifeform: *flag into
asciilifeform: this is discussed publicly even less often than the pseudoscientific nonsense of block and stream ciphers, but: hashes are necessarily voodoo. elementarily, by counting argument (input:output sets are not 1:1).
asciilifeform: and the hashes popularly in use are optimized for strictly one thing -- (perceived!) collision resistance
asciilifeform: and certainly not for other, orthogonal (or even, possibly, contradictory!) properties such as non-leakage and non-structurization
asciilifeform: this came up in the rng whitening thread, but bears mentioning now and again
asciilifeform: (for instance, it may well be the case that, e.g., sha2, or keccak, leak, say, the parity of the incoming bitstring into the hash. or some other property.)
asciilifeform: and this would not count against their collision resistance, which was the only property actually asked for by the designer.
asciilifeform: (whether 'collision resistance' of any hash is a matter of demonstrable physical reality, or of imagination, is wholly separate subject)
asciilifeform: the rifle MAY make an acceptable boar oar. but if it does, it will be purely by accident.
asciilifeform: *boat oar
hanbot: pf4x99nJYL
hanbot: oh for fuck's sake.
shinohai writes down hanbot 's Eulora password
trinque: o lawdy
hanbot: lol. juuuust my pw for the coffee cache.
hanbot: iirc second time i've done it, too. kbds everywhere, i guess i'ma install some fucktard blinkenlicten.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: p funny
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-24#1590268 << funnily enough, in .lt there is that word, and it means something like "illegal taxi driver" (yes precisely that level of specificity). like microvans in the balkans etc. i have nfi how this happened :D
a111: Logged on 2016-12-24 18:01 asciilifeform: dusman!! i had nfi that this persian word, known to half the planet, made it as west as ro
ben_vulpes: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/fancy-bear-hack-of-ukrainian-artillery-fighters-shows-future-of-war << android apps distributed over forums is some great indicator of how the world works
shinohai: touche
mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyone saw "when i want to whistle, i whistle" ?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: pls to qntra apptillery lulz?
BingoBoingo did not saw that
mircea_popescu: very real rendition of ro prison system
BingoBoingo just has saws on the mind. Tis the season.
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2016/12/24/standing-in-line-like-overdressed-cattle/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Standing in line like overdressed cattle.
Framedragger: http://trilema.com/2014/the-complexity-of-life-a-triad/ << was planning to go to sleep easily and wake up with light christmas spirit. dreams will now be filled with automata
Framedragger: while rereading old logs, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-21#572003 << hehehe :)
a111: Logged on 2014-03-21 14:23 mircea_popescu: ReutersEmily the real reason you want a client is that you can then install otr, which is a cryptographically secure plugin allowing you to have private conversations safe from any snoops. and that is good quality safety, not the sort of crud normally peddled.
Framedragger: s/rereading/reading/
mircea_popescu: Framedragger should be noted that i was a lot more optimistic about open source in 2014.
Framedragger: certainly noted! assumed as much :) includes increased pessimism for funding OS projects (such as openbsd) etc i guess...
mircea_popescu: anyway, the principle espoused is sound - you want a client because you want to control the software ; the application involved however who knows,.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger the problem isn't "founding os projects" but quite orthogonal to that : ustards have a significant mental problem whereby they imagine they will separate funding and activity. the existence of a so called "foundation" is the usual macula of this sort of idiocy, much like chancre is the mark of syphilis.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-24#1590325 << your password is now TMSR Safe(tm) certified. we have analyzed your password using stochastic gradient reduction methods(tm) that have determined that your password is safe from hackers. we recommend changing your existing passwords that are not TMSR Safe(tm) to your new TMSR Safe(tm) password. Ask our representative about helpful tips: how to change your Pretty Good Privacy password to TMSR
a111: Logged on 2016-12-24 19:48 hanbot: pf4x99nJYL
phf: Safe(tm) password.
mircea_popescu: you should prolly unrate phf nao
Framedragger: !~bash 5
jhvh1: Last 5 lines bashed and pending publication
hanbot: hahaha TMSR Safe & catfacts, xmas is served!
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: perhaps
ben_vulpes: 'tis a fertile topic.
mircea_popescu: i wonder if sv investors carry 15yo cop insurance for their lead engineers by now.
mats: oculus is literally developed by pedo jews at Facebook
mats: 10/10 qntra headline
mircea_popescu: wouldn't it be called speculum rift if this were true ?
mats: indeed
phf: "Upon his arrest, Katz told the officer that he was there to rescue the girl, and should have first called police, according to charging documents."
Framedragger: (last thing i've read before going to sleep is how a kid high on ganja used a bazooka: https://www.reddit.com/r/trees/comments/25a19p/welp_i_did_something_terrible_in_cambodia_in_a/ ahem. but kinda funny)
mircea_popescu: self-reported folklore may have a heavy fictitious tinge.
Framedragger: but sometimes one may indulge and do the whole suspension of disbelief thing :) but yes, quite, hm
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-24#1590363 << lel, sv d00d 'can also have problems'
phf: asciilifeform: for serious, the utter wtf charging documents
mircea_popescu: phf this gonan be your first qntra ?
mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/BunnyFuxalot/status/793954128657412097 << in other lulz the twitter hate speech ai detector is working like a charm.
phf: i don't think i can produce any amount of vitriol necessary for the subject
mircea_popescu: well you did read the police hting
BingoBoingo: phf: Then go to store get vitriol. The kind we (as opposed to ether huffers) deal in is commonly sold as "Amazing liquid fire" drain cleaner.
thestringpuller: merry x-mas ya'll
shinohai: bah humbug
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7BF8EB8D2D68CE1E4855870A3C79CF4C82788402C705177B5598EE20CC7C296E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1558...2899 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.248.102.188 (ssh-rsa key from 89.248.102.188 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (89-248-102-188.redes.interdominios.com. ES)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5455B496A150E589ABDC54C061597D378839BC6ECD6398DA657061EFE4B07999 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1586...8337 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.128.66.87 (ssh-rsa key from 217.128.66.87 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (LPuteaux-657-1-61-87.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr. FR)
BingoBoingo: Merry Ex-mash Phuctor
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7BF8EB8D2D68CE1E4855870A3C79CF4C82788402C705177B5598EE20CC7C296E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1385...7409 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.248.102.188 (ssh-rsa key from 89.248.102.188 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (89-248-102-188.redes.interdominios.com. ES)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5455B496A150E589ABDC54C061597D378839BC6ECD6398DA657061EFE4B07999 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1533...7649 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.128.66.87 (ssh-rsa key from 217.128.66.87 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (LPuteaux-657-1-61-87.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr. FR)
mats: minitrue come to life
mats: also, Cyber Command is being divorced from NSA
mats: (Director of the NSA no longer also runs CYBERCOM)
phf: "... for countering THE foreign propaganda and disinformation being wages against us and our allies by our enemies."
phf: oh right, they are not here..
pete_dushenski: http://archive.is/0WjCL << Taleb : "The problem with identity politics is that they are fully ignorant of, among other things, history. And they must be as blind visually as they are intellectually."
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