sina: trinque: there is a DApp for that
mircea_popescu: ethereum-crap or ethereum-shit ?
mircea_popescu: THINK CAREFULLY BEFORE YOU ANSWER!!! THE QUESTION MAKES A DIFFERENCE!
BingoBoingo: shart.ethereum.wet introduces still moar complications
trinque: being a cryptocoins expert, I chose crap. shit is against the community guidelines.
mircea_popescu: ah i see
mircea_popescu: well you're crap outta luck then. sorry for your flush.
trinque: in other failed social theories, I bought that Britannica Great Books of the Western World
trinque: pretty decent bundle of classics and so on, but the first volume in the thing presents, of course, a feverish pitch for "(presumably free) liberal education for all"
trinque: couple of strikingly self aware lines in there, along the lines of "if it is impossible to educate every man with the great books of the west, aristotle was right and the mass of humanity are unfit for anything but slavery"
trinque: and of course, it appears the thing was received as "omg what is this anthology of dead european men" and "this math is too hard! unfair!"
mircea_popescu: in other such lulz, apparently egbert-shillbert-shitforbrains w/e his name is now enthusiastically supports something caled segweb 2.0 ?
mircea_popescu: it'll never end, this constant stream of improved improvements, until they're literally fucking buried, the muppets, will it.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B6DC42B8DC3F0690251A7CEFBD5E1B1DB674A82C29EE43071298267D2CCA1B94 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1481...5963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '22.214.171.124 (ssh-rsa key from 126.96.36.199 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (kogpi.edu.te.ua. UA)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B6DC42B8DC3F0690251A7CEFBD5E1B1DB674A82C29EE43071298267D2CCA1B94 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1615...7043 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '188.8.131.52 (ssh-rsa key from 184.108.40.206 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (kogpi.edu.te.ua. UA)
trinque: lying shitbag hopes you'll unwind 'em one by one instead of cutting his knot
mircea_popescu: meanwhile chasing manufactured nonsense such as "core devs" and "miner consensus conference" and etcetera.
mircea_popescu: didn't work in 2012, back when the whole bitcoin market cap was < mp's net worth. it's going to work five years later, with 50 bn btc ? because why, everyone's kakobrekla and wealth makes them too stupid to survive ?
BingoBoingo: Just remember, there's a spooky skeleton inside you
mircea_popescu: and with enough radithor, you could see it when it's dark in your room!
trinque: http://archive.is/DLQdg << make sure your bottle is certified
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2017/05/still-no-consensus-supporting-bitcoin-hardfork-barry-silbert-pretends-otherwise-to-his-peril/ << Anyway Shillybum's websit 2.0 was already Qntricated
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo aha.
BingoBoingo: HOLYFUCKSTICKS http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/06/10/police-suspect-shoots-victim-using-shotgun-shell-rice-krispies/
mircea_popescu: thius is good for krispiescoin
BingoBoingo: for srs
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5E102CACE1AAC63761285CC2BA5F8D29352B2160F37ABCCBD9FD7612192479CC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1221...4647 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '220.127.116.11 (ssh-rsa key from 18.104.22.168 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5E102CACE1AAC63761285CC2BA5F8D29352B2160F37ABCCBD9FD7612192479CC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1057...5497 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '22.214.171.124 (ssh-rsa key from 126.96.36.199 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A4138E3BD4EFECB12B67342E2EEA7E462FB04937FE52CB859AB95E24A0E2E419 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1057...5497 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '188.8.131.52 (ssh-rsa key from 184.108.40.206 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/43360F99EBE054B997E3229DCAFB72C7EC8A8AA7B14A0BA8B8F45F51451C8569 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1057...5497 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '220.127.116.11 (ssh-rsa key from 18.104.22.168 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A4138E3BD4EFECB12B67342E2EEA7E462FB04937FE52CB859AB95E24A0E2E419 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1237...4767 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '22.214.171.124 (ssh-rsa key from 126.96.36.199 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/43360F99EBE054B997E3229DCAFB72C7EC8A8AA7B14A0BA8B8F45F51451C8569 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1237...4767 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '188.8.131.52 (ssh-rsa key from 184.108.40.206 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/59B14B5EC91F8CC356C728E87A72716CF2500AF2C700939C7B7703E8AA27B4F6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1508...2407 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '220.127.116.11 (ssh-rsa key from 18.104.22.168 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (mail.yarobltour.ru. RU YAR)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/59B14B5EC91F8CC356C728E87A72716CF2500AF2C700939C7B7703E8AA27B4F6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1423...4273 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '22.214.171.124 (ssh-rsa key from 126.96.36.199 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (mail.yarobltour.ru. RU YAR)
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all --currency gbp
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCGBP last: 2310.168394, vol: 8798.21904224 | BTC-E BTCGBP last: 2247.4859154, vol: 7144.06502 | BTCChina BTCGBP last: 2382.280672, vol: 12140.73220000 | Kraken BTCGBP last: 2216.276, vol: 87.96329911 | Volume-weighted last average: 2325.05708707
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all --currency eur
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCEUR last: 2629.634709, vol: 8791.18977682 | BTC-E BTCEUR last: 2509.36708, vol: 137.92842 | BTCChina BTCEUR last: 2712.4902, vol: 12140.19920000 | Kraken BTCEUR last: 2580.0, vol: 13774.1766582 | Volume-weighted last average: 2638.40583255
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2944.39, vol: 8790.39293561 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2864.599, vol: 7144.06502 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2949.7, vol: 22084.37849623 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3036.5853, vol: 12140.45820000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2899.999, vol: 6035.27513696 | Volume-weighted last average: 2951.48351894
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/06/11/out-with-saddam-in-with-usain-or-blackzilla-unchained-or-the-1000-car-project-ou-lobjet-epeurant-or-breadwinners-delight-or-possibly-some-other-title-but-mostly-pete-bought-yet-another-c/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Out with Saddam, in with Usain. Or Blackzilla unchained. Or the $1000* car project. Ou l’objet épeurant. Or breadwinner’s delight. Or possibly some other title but mostly “Pete bought
BingoBoingo suggests honda goldwing 'valkyrie' for pete_dushenski's next mid life crisis
mircea_popescu: wtf is with all the lawnmowers anyway. took bmw over to "european motors" shop, everything in the fucking yard was shitty azn makes.
mircea_popescu: what, "european by alliance" cars nao ?
BingoBoingo: Well, yeah.
BingoBoingo: Everyone but japs forgot how to make car-baby
BingoBoingo: While japs forgot how to make baby
BingoBoingo: And japs now rent "how we make car-baby" process to brands clinging to other flags
BingoBoingo: Anyways, Goldwing prolly has more comfy seat than Blackzilla
BingoBoingo: But yes, lawnmowers are the future. Time for BMW to start offering 3 point hitches so can tow rough cut mower
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The thing is you buy one car every 12 years for light volcano to beach transit. That doesn't make an industry, so to solve this retailer has to borrow from mass market lawnmowers to offer a carriage to mircea_popescu that might avoid smiting
BingoBoingo: Retailer dressed as a "dealer" has either offer a carriage or a lawnmower convincingly dressed as a carriage.
BingoBoingo: Latter's cheaper to do.
mircea_popescu: ah, but i buy one car for each journeyman slavegirl./
mircea_popescu: that makes for a lot of cars.
BingoBoingo: Oh, ic
BingoBoingo: Maybe you ought to produce a spec and assign a slavegirl to start a coachbuilding empire?
mircea_popescu: sort of an baccaratlaureat if you will.
mircea_popescu: yeah, eventually, but not quite there yet.
BingoBoingo: Well eventually TMSR will get to stainless steel vehicle frames
BingoBoingo: !~google fiat malaise
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Fiat's Woes A Symptom Of Italy's Industrial Malaise : NPR: <http://www.npr.org/2012/09/23/161631757/italys-fiat-woes-a-symptom-of-industrial-malady>; Fiat Currencies Appear To Enter Period Of Sustained Malaise | Qntra: <http://qntra.net/2017/03/fiat-currencies-appear-to-enter-period-of-sustained-malaise/>; Fiat's Woes A Symptom Of Italy's Industrial Malaise | WAMU: (1 more message)
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/06/fiatbitcoin-interfaces-catch-up-to-dollars-fall-below-13000th-of-a-bitcoin/ << Qntra - fiat/Bitcoin Interfaces Catch Up To Dollar's Fall Below 1/3000th Of A Bitcoin
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 2927.7, Best ask: 2928.2, Bid-ask spread: 0.50000, Last trade: 2927.7, 24 hour volume: 21559.51514671, 24 hour low: 2711.1, 24 hour high: 3003.0, 24 hour vwap: None
sina: good morning all
sina: public holiday here in AU!
sina: it's a beautiful day after raining all weekend, and from my education birds are having sex with bees
mircea_popescu: sina anal day in upside down land ?
sina: mircea_popescu: haha do I dare ask the meaning of "anal day"?
mircea_popescu: didn;'t you say it was a holiday down under ?
sina: I did
mircea_popescu: down under...
mircea_popescu: upside down...
mircea_popescu: GET IT ?
mircea_popescu: it's a poon!
sina: haha yeah, here "down under" is literally burned into the subconcious to mean "Australia" so we don't grok the phrase the same way
sina: it doesn't receive identicall connotations :P
mircea_popescu: identicanal conturbations
hanbot: lol gratuitous pooning
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, isn't it a wonder latrina isn't a racial slur ?
mircea_popescu: i mean, "i dunno what's with todd these days, he keeps fucking all these latrinas"...
mircea_popescu: certainly works.
sina: I dunno, I feel like it's a bit in the vein of "winblows"
sina: Stallmanesque insults
sina: mircea_popescu: are you secretly Richard Stallman?
sina: that'd make so much sense!
hanbot: sina yer just a downer under ;D
mircea_popescu: no. for one thing my beard's way cooler.
sina: I have a fierce craving for burger today
mircea_popescu: that is good for burgercoin.
sina: hey I was going to ask about WoT
sina: so is deedbot the canonical WoT source?
mircea_popescu: go on ?
sina: and I noticed you can ask it for an S-expression of the entire WoT, that's cool
sina: so you can run your own "slave"
sina: but, deedbot doesn't slave to anything itself?
sina: so (and maybe I am missing the point), you can't really "run your own node"
mircea_popescu: how do you mean ?
sina: um...as in, the logical topology of the WoT is a ...web... but to join the web you enter via a tree structure where the root is master, and all other nodes are slaves
sina: (deedbot being the root)
mircea_popescu: you're conflating things.
mircea_popescu: to enter the web, you have to have a rating.
sina: but one can only be rated via deedbot
sina: not saying that is good or bad, just asking in the general capability of the system
mircea_popescu: now, the formalism for recording that rating currently in overwhelming use is !!rate. there is no rule that thios must be so. it is currently so for convenience, and because deedbot is trustworthy. either of these can change, but this would affect little : the party who trusts you can enter that trust into the public record through whatever command
sina: the reason I ask is because last night I was thinking of a more coin style WoT, where everyone runs a node, there is an immutable shared log of ratings
mircea_popescu: why ?
sina: because I sometimes think things? :P
sina: it means you can rate from any node
mircea_popescu: yes, but for the things in your head to be called thinking, they must proceed form a basis. what is here the basis ?
sina: the basis I guess is, substituing the trustworthiness of a single bot with a cryptographic chain, being able to run your own "full node" of the WoT, which gives access to secondary/tertiary networks to participate via a gateway, etc
sina: not arguing this should be done, only relating the source of my thoughts which lead to the questions
sina: because I didn't know, maybe deedbot already does this kind of thing
mircea_popescu: did you read an' understand the "what the wot is" article ?
sina: is that the deedbot.org/help.html page?
sina: reading now, so you think the idea contravenes those principles?
mircea_popescu: i think the idea discusses an item not related to the actual item.
mircea_popescu: much like "wouldn't it be cool to make cars out of cardboard, they'd be easier to paint that way" misses the whole car thing
BingoBoingo: Anyways, the problem with cardboard is keeping it painted
sina: mircea_popescu: can you walk me through the hypothetical example case where you have woken up one morning and decided for some valid reason (e.g. deedbot WoT contents no longer match your local copy) that deedbot is no longer trustworthy but urgently want to enter a rating for me of -10 into the public record?
sina: do you just post a message here saying "deedbot sucks, I have rates sina -10 in my local copy, which should now be considered canonical via mpbot"?
mircea_popescu: for instance.
mircea_popescu: in practice it'd likely look a lot more like hey trinque wtf is this, followed by everyone perking up and an answer of some kind being produced and so on.
sina: lets say trinque modified it himself because he got syphilis
mircea_popescu: the fundamental flaw in your earlier mental process, which is periodically discussed in the logs, is that you try to take trust as an objective. trust isn't an objective, the reason i trust you is because I TRUST YOU, not because deedbot says i do. and the ONLY use of the knowledge that i trust you is that you can ask me about you. nothing else.
mircea_popescu: exactly opposite of the imperial certificate bullshit, which is 100% george costanza going "it's true i did nothing all week, but bear in mind i am in the smaller office". ie, "can you doctor ?" "no, not rly... but i do have a doctoring CERTIFICATE"
mircea_popescu: but anyway -- if he modified them himself he gets to either convincingly fix it or else be replaced. just like anything else.
sina: I think I asked you this long ago, but you keep a local copy of the WoT and expect others to as well right?
mircea_popescu: not really expect anything. people are supposed to do their own thinking for themselves. but i expect i'd notice if my ratings weren't right.
mircea_popescu: then again, maybe i wouldn't.
mircea_popescu: review the gossipd discussions, they're instructive on the topic.
sina: yes I have been working my way through those
sina: although there seems to be a huge amount of contention
sina: between how you view those discussions and for example, asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: in fairness it's a large ball of yarn and while it flows splendidly from itself, nevertheless it does flow exactlty opposite to ~everyone's acculturation in the soviet empire.
sina: from my understanding of your view
sina: it's something like UUCP + crypto authentication
mircea_popescu: anyway, wasn't my impression there's substantial disagreement.
mircea_popescu: what's uucp ?
sina: an old protocol normally used for peering usenet
sina: mircea_popescu: there is 159 comments on http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document
sina: with a fair bit of disagreement
mircea_popescu: there's a process to working out a mental image of a text. it involves inter alia building alternative models.
mircea_popescu: this dun constitute disagreement.
mircea_popescu: for perfect meta : re the matter of whether there is or there is not substantial disagreement, we aren't yet disagreeing. so far we're just trying to come to terms.
mircea_popescu: thyis is a fractally repeating point : the reason "social learning" as modelled by redditards doesn't work irl is the indirection layer. the reason gossipd is undefeatable in practice is... the indirection layer.
mircea_popescu: the reason textual methods do not work in practice is... the indirection layer. and so on.
mircea_popescu: "oh but he said nigger 85 times!!" "yes but he just uses that to denote tomatoes."
mircea_popescu: the expectation that if you listen in a conversation of people you don't know you'll nevertheless be able to discern what is being said is pretty much THE thing distinguishing the esl anglotard from actual thinking people with a functioning head and part of a culture etc.
mircea_popescu: (and yes "multiculturalism" is the cheapo excuse of lazy stupid people to not have an actual culture ; much like "the convenience" of fast food is the excuse inept housewives use to not work the kitchen.)
sina: that reminds me I need to eat food
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-12#1668696 << while I maintain the thing with integrity, I enjoy the benefits of a world where it exists and functions properly.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-12 02:13 mircea_popescu: but anyway -- if he modified them himself he gets to either convincingly fix it or else be replaced. just like anything else.
trinque: this, to someone with a brain, is ample incentive
trinque: meanwhile sina, you get to discover whether there are such folks in the world as can maintain a db of numbers without diddling them... to think!
sina: no offense meant trinque, just a hypothetical
trinque: none taken
mircea_popescu: it's really not so different from yest when you and ben_vulpes were working on the mpfhf.
mircea_popescu: "Why dun it work ?" "Fix it!" etc.
mircea_popescu: or when candi lust was made, or when absolutely anything else tmsr-happened.
sina: trinque: you might not have the specific form of syphilis which induces number diddling, but can you protect against... COSMIC RAYS
trinque: thing has daily backups and logs of all interactions
trinque: so prolly
mircea_popescu: unlike the github cathedral-of-garbage-built-by-anonyous-rats-randomly-ambling about, there's actual people in charge which means the buck always stops somewhere. so it's not exactly "bug reports", it's more in the vein of "and here's your summons to parliament"
mircea_popescu: sina and if it becomes an issue, it can be logified. the logger was originally single item you know.
sina: sorry, that was just me trying to troll you
mircea_popescu: in fact, deedbot was intended to be federated from the get go... or in fact no. the item deedbot replaced because the operator got syphilis (ie, assbot) was created specifically because failure of previous item (operator travelled unexpectedly, thing went down -- tis all in the logs) and was intended to be federated from the get-go
sina: see this was the original source of my questioning
mircea_popescu: except nanotube never actually fixed gribble, for whatever reason (such as for instance - because it wasn't erroneously broken but deliberately broken)
sina: "maybe deedbot does something similar to what I was thinking"
mircea_popescu: it gets either fixed or replaced if not fixable.
mircea_popescu: this is how engineering, and human industry, go.
sina: so does it federate trinque?
mircea_popescu: not currently.
trinque: sina: it does in that nothing stops you from copying the wot sexp at an interval, doing whatever things your castle likes doing with the output
mircea_popescu: trinque yes but it won't accept a "this is x's rating for y's, honest" from an altbot.
trinque: certainly, and questionable whether it's a good idea
mircea_popescu: certainly premature to inquire in the matter.
ben_vulpes: in re candi_lustt, i'll point out that anyone in l2 could trivially reproduce her elsewhere, if phf's examples didn't drive the point home
sina: yeah so what happened with #b-a?
mircea_popescu: tis in teh logs!
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes yah but why make another slut, just reuse the extant one lel
ben_vulpes: replace, reproduce...
ben_vulpes: they're not errors in copying, they're built in tests of the copier!
ben_vulpes: sina: how do i build this thing
ben_vulpes: > ./mpfhf.go:52: syntax error: unexpected EOF, expecting expression
ben_vulpes: oh hm repo has something entirely different from trilema
sina: ben_vulpes: sorry I don't think it pasted right
sina: last I looked it was missing a bunch of the code
sina: ben_vulpes: if you have 0 experience building go binaries, prepare for increased blood pressure
sina: you need to set a GOPATH variable, e.g export GOPATH=~/Development/go and then clone the repo to $GOPATH/src/github.com/sinner-/mpfhf-golang
ben_vulpes: i can handle tooling, ty
sina: I just find it really annoying the way they do it
sina: that and dependency management are the two weakpoints of golang I feel
sina: for what it is
ben_vulpes: getting odd results when i do some baseline poking, a message of "a" prints a toBinArray value of [1 1 0 0 0 0 1]
ben_vulpes: just running fmt.Print(M) downstream of the toBinArray call
ben_vulpes: naively, i'd expect that to be [0 1 1 0 0 0 0 1]
ben_vulpes: dropped a leading zero?
ben_vulpes: wacky, fmt.Print(len(M)) -> 7
sina: so when I was building it, I was trying to match the "MP kicks ass!" output, which starts with a 1 in the example (and IIRC when I did it in python)... the original string I had was printing a leading 0
sina: so I tweaked it
sina: The [M]essage chosen is MP kicks ass!, its bit-value is
ben_vulpes: yes but why is the length of the array of bits seven and not eight
ben_vulpes: i mean i don't really know what you're getting at, but why is the length of the bit array resulting from eating a single char 7 and not 8
sina: because the format string used drops the leading 0
ben_vulpes: no buddy
ben_vulpes: is seven
a111: Logged on 2017-06-12 03:23 ben_vulpes: wacky, fmt.Print(len(M)) -> 7
sina: ben_vulpes: can you change
sina: - binString = fmt.Sprintf("%s%b", binString, c)
sina: + binString = fmt.Sprintf("%s%.8b", binString, c)
ben_vulpes: oh that's not a builtin aha
ben_vulpes: much better
sina: mircea_popescu: please confirm spec, are we dropping leading 0 (if exists) or not
sina: if not, I need to update the python one too
mircea_popescu: dropping what leading 0 ?
ben_vulpes: fwiw with that change it *now* matches the output of my implementation.
ben_vulpes: at sixty four bits and hashing the character a.
sina: mircea_popescu: if you look at the line above for "MP kicks ass!" from your PHP impl
ben_vulpes: and several other values
sina: it starts with a 1
mircea_popescu: sina prolly because it's a piece of shit.
ben_vulpes: again sina php implementation is of an earlier outdated spec
sina: ok fair
mircea_popescu: yes but what's he to go on.
mircea_popescu: and besides, this sounds like php boog.
ben_vulpes: i did it from the spec, not the php.
ben_vulpes: did not even look at php because boogs!
sina: its cool, I had it correct to begin with, but I modified it to match the thing I was seeing, my bad
sina: ben_vulpes: have pushed updated ver to golang ver, let me figure out same for python
ben_vulpes: now gotta wrestle with anaconda of "google stack for performance or pystack for not-being-google"
ben_vulpes: pick one, you'll go nuts maintaining both
ben_vulpes: aye, can confirm matching hashes on your default string
sina: just because Rob Pike and co work at the goog doesn't mean golang is goog
sina: they mostly write their junk in C++ and java from what I hear
ben_vulpes: sure, and swift isn't apple lang lol
trinque: google stack comes with built-in curl | bash !
trinque: obviously best
ben_vulpes: yeah that "go build" shit pulling in rando code from rando github accounts super great cool stuff
sina: yeah :(
ben_vulpes: very easy to get started with tho
ben_vulpes: such developer adoption
sina: that (and the dependency hell it introduces) is why I try and stick to their impressively comprehensive stdlib
trinque: sounds like a guy who would end up appreciating common lisp.
sina: probably you don't care but I have been working on this for funsies https://github.com/sinner-/blogir
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo suggests honda goldwing 'valkyrie' for pete_dushenski's next mid life crisis << nah, too "soaking up the open road". goldwings are for retired vagabonds with a penchant for leather chaps and 60s rock. sort of a post-life-crisis-mobile really.
ben_vulpes: sina: eh just use wordpress
ben_vulpes: there's a fork of some fraction of what drives trilema floating around the wot
ben_vulpes: what, you're going to spend your precious energy furthering the browser hegemony?
trinque: googs on both ends
sina: how does building a webapp to learn golang further the browser hegenomy?!
ben_vulpes: oh i thought you were like a golang professional or some such
ben_vulpes: trinque: boogs!
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: what, "european by alliance" cars nao ? << well, ghosn stepped down as nissan ceo so whatever bridge there was is burnt. now it's turbomowereich because nothing cheats nazi emissions standards quite like 'em.
ben_vulpes: sina: why, i must ask, "learn go"?
sina: ben_vulpes: professionally I'm not even a developer. Companies hire me because I can stuff at scale. but still don't understand how it furthers any hegemony
sina: because I think it's a pretty nice high level language
trinque not trying to pile on, but "I can stuff at scale" is entertaining as shit
ben_vulpes: solid sentence construction to boot
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: But still greater potential power to thrust ratio!
ben_vulpes: sina: it's a google product, you're "learning the lang" via writing a weblog that most likely generates html for...the browser. google lives by the browser.
sina: that is some fancy mental gymnastics, but ok
ben_vulpes: why not write numerical integrator? bignum stack?
ben_vulpes: implement stephenson's orbital swarm trajectory planner?
ben_vulpes: million billion toy projects that do not entail even touching webshit.
BingoBoingo: sina: Consider the experiment where you learned trading by "seeding the orderbook" The "at scale" business is similar.
sina: careful, browsers rely on numbers, don't want to further google hegemony
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: mno. let's do the maff. valkyrie first :
ben_vulpes: sina: math does not require xml, drop the sophistry.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Of course not stock
BingoBoingo: But shirley you can aftermarket compression into it's flat siz
pete_dushenski: !~calc 752/102
jhvh1: pete_dushenski: 752/102 = 7.372549019607843
pete_dushenski: vs. blackzilla
pete_dushenski: !~calc 3800/625
jhvh1: pete_dushenski: 3800/625 = 6.08
sina: BingoBoingo: how is it remotely similar?
BingoBoingo: And lets not forget bonus horsepower like feelings engendered by feeling the wind on one's testicles
sina: ben_vulpes: I didn't claim it did, the point is, taking your logic to its conclusion one can't do anything because google uses computers to do stuff
ben_vulpes: sina: lol not even wrong
trinque: "not everything is political" and "I just want to"
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: two wheeled endangerment does much for feelings engenderment, it's true, but not only way to skin testicles.
sina: ben_vulpes: still not following, but that's ok, you explained your train of thought
BingoBoingo: Anyways, what happened to your romantic feelings for flat six? Is flat six less sexy when it sends all of it's power to one wheel?
trinque: correct number is 8
ben_vulpes: sina: surely you see how universal reliance on the browser drives unthinking acceptance of the imperial key signing model, right?
ben_vulpes: every time a child gets another hint that building things in html is a sensible way to spend a life, an angel of freedom loses her wings and plummets screaming towards the ground
ben_vulpes: think of the angels
ben_vulpes: think of the children
ben_vulpes: just say no to html
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: six is six, which isn't sex regardless of config. because not eight m8!
sina: ben_vulpes: I'll listen to this drivel when you take down your blog
trinque: and displacement matters; just ask her!
sina: ben_vulpes: and wotpaste, etc
ben_vulpes: army we have!
trinque: aw crap
ben_vulpes: sina: gotta talk to folks, gotta share text
ben_vulpes: sina, why don't you ask what i do for a living?
ben_vulpes: "intimacy breeds contempt"
a111: Logged on 2017-04-28 21:28 asciilifeform: which means NO NEW NONFITTINGINHEAD items!!
sina: that explains this braindead discussion
ben_vulpes: sina: and before you start throwing around words like "drivel" and "braindead", i'm not the one who lost his keys.
trinque: sina: dunno what you thought the forum was for, but this
sina: ben_vulpes: I *didn't* lose them
sina: I thought I had because I couldn't decrypt some OTP, if you recall
ben_vulpes: oh right, something something knobs on gpg?
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-11-02#1313929 << while we're on it
a111: Logged on 2015-11-02 14:59 mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/05/thank_god_the_heart_attack_gri.html << pretty great explanation on how psychological defenses work.
trinque: the republic grinds 'em away, leaves a man, or nothing
ben_vulpes: sina: keep coming back, it works if you work it
sina: I follow everything you're saying, but it is plainly dumb to say writing a funsies webapp to learn a language has anything to do with anything
ben_vulpes: the notion does depend on several years of shared context, yeah
sina: I'm vaguely aware of the shared context, I get there is some stuff that is considered dumb around these neck of the woods, I just don't care
ben_vulpes: i mean you're a smart guy, right? what's funsies about generating html trees?
ben_vulpes: honest q
ben_vulpes: surely this is something you can do on demand without thinking already
sina: generating 24 lines of html template took about 3 seconds