asciilifeform: 2-2.5x poorsalary ain't 'rich', pete_dushenski
asciilifeform: esp when it's still a... salary
asciilifeform: and not dividends
pete_dushenski: don't tell me, tell other kids on 'financial samurai'
asciilifeform: also i can't resist to ask.. pete_dushenski reads that rubbish habitually? wai?
pete_dushenski: nah, just came across a link. never heard of the site before.
asciilifeform: and iirc nyc is no longer king of bezzle
asciilifeform: in shiticon valley -- 1m/y is grinding poverty
pete_dushenski: this is but temporary. nyc and london will reign again.
asciilifeform: y'mean londonabad
BingoBoingo: I doubt it, NYC is rapidly turning into poor part of Mubai
pete_dushenski: in other "not there yet"s, one for ben_vulpes and his dreams of automolandia : https://www.recode.net/2017/3/16/14938116/uber-travis-kalanick-self-driving-internal-metrics-slow-progress (summary, human intervention required more than once per mile on average. hurr!) ford nucleon has better chances of mass production. or maybe ben wants to bet again ?
asciilifeform: reminds me, i dreamed that i was in a robotic car
asciilifeform: was annoying, i knew it was taking me to a jail, tried various tricks to get out , or alternatively to crash it, but no dice
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: rapidly eh ? how so ? last i checked 'supertall skinnies' were notwhere to be found in the brown box
asciilifeform: there was a steering wheel, oddly, but rather like in a toy car, it was not connected to anything, just spun in place.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: had you watched minority report before bed ?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: NYC chose this path when they picked DeBlasio as their Trump
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: nope
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: how's that work again ?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: did you make it all the way to jail in the dream ?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Well at some point in the name of libertard equalitit DeBlasio is bound to openly approve of open defecation
pete_dushenski: or 'smash own brains' on partition
asciilifeform: nope, woke up from road noises as always
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: lol no one would notice if he did. city has stunk of rotting garbage for longer than we've been alive. summer is worst but even fall is no picnic.
BingoBoingo: And how is that so different from Mumbai?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: maybe next time!
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: you said 'rapidly turning into'. you're not backing that up if they've both always been the same.
asciilifeform: hey pete_dushenski was it you who collected old watches ?
pete_dushenski: more father but i have a couple. what's up ?
asciilifeform: radium thread
asciilifeform: ( some time in last wk )
a111: Logged on 2017-03-20 18:36 asciilifeform: quite unrelatedly, asciilifeform went through own and relatives' dwellings with geiger counter and turned up one of those 'barbaric' radium-dialed clocks (zinc sulphide long ago decayed, so no light, but mighty gamma.)
asciilifeform: apparently quite a few old timepieces ragingly gamma
asciilifeform: quite enough to expose film, say.
pete_dushenski: huh. but these were more used for clocks or wristwatches ? /me is no horological expert
asciilifeform: at one time was ubiquitous, esp for nice watches.
asciilifeform: and military equip. ( compasses, aircraft gauges )
asciilifeform: oh it'd seem that i neglected to say why i had the geiger around -- was hunting for a reason why a certain box of mine was ringing ecc alarms
asciilifeform: ( didn't find deathray hidden under the floor, no. but also ruled out bad drams, so the mystery -- remained )
pete_dushenski: oldest (and higest end) wristwatch i ever wore was 1940s tudor. wore for maybe 2-3 years. no facial tumours detected in that period, thankfully.
asciilifeform: didja wear it on yer face?!
asciilifeform pictures this
pete_dushenski: lol how else ?
pete_dushenski: i had a skinny neck as a kid, what.
asciilifeform: hey BingoBoingo ^ one for your files.
pete_dushenski: https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/17077598_816066928547618_8162672392150188032_n.jpg << very similar to tudor of my youth. i don't recall the numbers or hashes being illuminated at night now that i think about it. maaaaybe the hands though.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E269ED3F6BF617E4840820B3A677A315A78009BAEA615F1A02820421529906B1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1361...0843 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '220.127.116.11 (ssh-rsa key from 18.104.22.168 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (mxfm1.tecnosis.net. ES)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E269ED3F6BF617E4840820B3A677A315A78009BAEA615F1A02820421529906B1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1586...6513 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '22.214.171.124 (ssh-rsa key from 126.96.36.199 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (mxfm1.tecnosis.net. ES)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C6FC7DED69B99B24B93291229330E24B89BA2A9F99F0D580578ED8AA36C4FFC4 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1530...5243 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '188.8.131.52 (ssh-rsa key from 184.108.40.206 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (D052704C.ptr.provps.com. US CA)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C6FC7DED69B99B24B93291229330E24B89BA2A9F99F0D580578ED8AA36C4FFC4 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1652...6023 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '220.127.116.11 (ssh-rsa key from 18.104.22.168 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (D052704C.ptr.provps.com. US CA)
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/03/fake-news-interest-in-jewish-center-safety-drops-precipitously-after-arrest-of-second-suspect/ << Qntra - Fake News Interest In Jewish Center Safety Drops Precipitously After Arrest Of Second Suspect
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-26#1632619 >> http://22.214.171.124 >> 'When we launched the first boutique portfolio of Argentine wines in 1999, we never imagined we’d be at the forefront of a wine revolution...'
a111: Logged on 2017-03-26 05:31 deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C6FC7DED69B99B24B93291229330E24B89BA2A9F99F0D580578ED8AA36C4FFC4 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1530...5243 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '126.96.36.199 (ssh-rsa key from 188.8.131.52 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (D052704C.ptr.provps.com. US CA)
asciilifeform: ^ given vps , probably entire customer base -- equally debianized.
hanbot: !!up mp_en_viaje
deedbot: mp_en_viaje voiced for 30 minutes.
mp_en_viaje: ah hallelukja!
mp_en_viaje: thanks hanbot
mp_en_viaje: nobody ups noobs anymore DO THEY!!11
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-24#1632388 << this is actually a very fine statement of the problem. missing parts, expensive to build prosthetic for. quite exactly.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-24 20:47 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-24#1632355 << orlol discussed this, and it was 100% true, 'homo americanus' has some very serious damage that is very expensive to build prosthesis for -- he has no family , no friends, no one will lend him money other than at extortionate rates, has no one alive whom he could live with in small hut, 5 to 10 sq. metres, without killing one another
mp_en_viaje: anyway, the striking thing a bout the afghani dwelling is that it's not a hut. it's a tower, if need be essentialized to a pillar, but basically a machinegun pillbox. AROUND IT like around the medieval castle the women's items, huts and bread ovens and children/goat/pig stys are build. but the dwelling is basically this donjon.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-24#1632392 << in order : forged metal items ; penicillin and similar chemicals ; some plastics.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-24 20:49 asciilifeform: also where does the 1k figure come from ? for what does a smallholder-farmer even need money.
hanbot is interested in what constitutes this 'similar chemicals' category
hanbot: similar how?
mp_en_viaje: hanbot, there\s an entire list of medicine pre us becoming a thing.
mp_en_viaje: similar in that they're not covered by "patents" in the usg misstatement of the concept ; similar in that they were originally produced by one man in his handmade lab glass ; similar in that they cost a quarter a yearly dose and solve an actual problem
asciilifeform: oh hey mp_en_viaje
mp_en_viaje: compare eg antipolomyelitis vaccine, which saves ~5% of the population from being unable to locomote ; with ineptitudes like the recent vaccines which do nothing.
mp_en_viaje: hola asciilifeform
mp_en_viaje: hanbot, i could build you a list, but not right now. about 2/3 of the "who list o fessential medicines" say, or alternatively the inventory list of provincial hospital in 3rd world.
hanbot: mp_en_viaje wouldja say it's as simple as setting a cutoff date?
mp_en_viaje: just about yes.
mp_en_viaje: take rivanol, for instance. fabulous for smallhold farmer's wounds, if one day he cuts himself. that sorta item.
asciilifeform: hanbot: it's approx what was in a sov pharmacy.
mp_en_viaje: ~you~ could fucking cook it in your kitchen. but not afghani huswif.
hanbot: ah okay
asciilifeform: quinine, say.
mp_en_viaje: yeah, minus perhaps barbiturates and such.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-24 21:16 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in prbland, https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2017-March/013766.html
asciilifeform: as soon as they have with what, such that doesn't crash 5 min. in...
a111: Logged on 2017-03-24 21:23 asciilifeform: iirc he's most of what's left of prb in terms of working hands, neh
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, this was re the "our new v 13 nodes will not accept blocks relayed by trb"
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-24#1632405 << necessarily true, what he says, if not necessarily practical (yet). it has to be :finite crate.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-24 21:27 asciilifeform: waiwat
asciilifeform: iirc prb doesn't even maintain a socket with trb , starting with 11 or so
asciilifeform: ( jurov might have details, he had some proprietary thing of his own that required a prb in the loop, complained of massive headaches )
mp_en_viaje: basically a novel vector of imperial attack seems to be this "let's take republican items and ~EXPAND~ the downstream so that siberian river attack is then feasible".
mp_en_viaje: (for the unfamiliar, siberian rivers flow the wrong way, melt at source before they melt downstream, causes some problems.)
shinohai: Buen viaje mp, espero k estas disfrutando! >.>
mp_en_viaje: si si!
mp_en_viaje: will put up some pix later
mp_en_viaje: prolly tomorrow actually.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: expand plox re 'expand the downstream'
shinohai hopes they include mp's wonderful ornithological pics .....
mp_en_viaje: ok :
mp_en_viaje: alf designs system whereby box A and box B are osmehow used. they are correctly designed to tandem : bitwise identical.
hanbot: oh hey shinohai's got the spanisher txtspeek. i'll hafta study
mp_en_viaje: wuille comes along, "expands" for the africa box A. now the design is broken, in that item in B will correspond to both a and a'
asciilifeform: ain't that prb for years nao?
mp_en_viaje: hanbot, hard to compete with the future baron titsbare eh ? gotta talk to lotta sluts.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, yes. just giving it some systematic summarization.
asciilifeform: say, for instance, kako's 'trb is broken, won't push my p2sholade'
shinohai: The heathen apps I'm forced to use in such situations hanbot, you have no idea.
mp_en_viaje: the siberian river attack. FOR AFRICA!
asciilifeform: 'FUCKGOATS is broken, won't plug into my shitphone'
asciilifeform: never really seemed like an 'attack' to me.
a111: Logged on 2015-12-27 17:38 asciilifeform: 'It is about sending a strong message. I think we may need to start an accreditation scheme for Bitcoin-consensus compliant wallets and services. Through code signing and use of multisig, we can even distinguish transactions made by compliant wallets and non-compliant wallets, and have pools not mine them (or wallets refuse to send to known-non-compliant wallets).'
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: iirc above was from the mit derps
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, no but the idea here is for the "expansion" to be ulterior of the item it attacks and sold as an "improvement"
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, yup.
asciilifeform: this had a name, 'embrace & extinguish'
asciilifeform: pioneered by microshit
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-24#1632408 << no, it is actually theoretically solid. quite as solid as the stuff we deem good crypto.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-24 21:28 trinque: I expect that the Snore signature is easily collided by some means; obviously I'm not sitting here with the exploit in hand.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, aha exactly.
mp_en_viaje: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/WRtLs/?raw=true << holy shit we need better logging omfg what is this even.
mp_en_viaje: thanks for reporting TomServo x.x
a111: Logged on 2017-03-25 15:15 asciilifeform: my current understanding is that reorg can only fail if there is a catastrophic problem with db
hanbot: !!up mp_en_viaje
deedbot: mp_en_viaje voiced for 30 minutes.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-26 04:10 asciilifeform: esp when it's still a... salary
mp_en_viaje: o hey, voiced just in time lol. ty.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-26#1632576 << yeh, from all i hear nyc is a really sad hole these days.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-26 04:14 BingoBoingo: I doubt it, NYC is rapidly turning into poor part of Mubai
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-26#1632587 << yep. i can almost see his retarded face while he shits somewhere on the pavements of astoria. "see, this is great." happy subhumans all around, and his pained sad "smile" hovering over them.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-26 04:20 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Well at some point in the name of libertard equalitit DeBlasio is bound to openly approve of open defecation
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-26#1632698 << zero instances in my trb logs to date, mp_en_viaje
a111: Logged on 2017-03-26 15:16 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-25#1632523 << actually reorgs fail a lot.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-26#1632589 << i woke up to birds singing alfie. be jealous.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-26 04:20 asciilifeform: nope, woke up from road noises as always
a111: Logged on 2017-03-26 15:09 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-24#1632408 << no, it is actually theoretically solid. quite as solid as the stuff we deem good crypto.
asciilifeform: which is to say, wholly unknown.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, mmm, on contemplation the issue might just be mp logotron reports "failed reorg" when the purporting-to-generate-reorg block failed to actually verify. old prb/trb don't.
asciilifeform: and the 'infinite sigs in finite box' thing is demonstrably nonsense.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i guessed this, from your statement.
asciilifeform: (re reorgs)
asciilifeform: classical trb simply throws those out, as malformed rubbish in ProcessBlock()
mp_en_viaje: yeah. i was always very suspicious of all reorgs. ie, if shit should hit hte fan, you'd expect it there.
mp_en_viaje: this suspicion has been well borne historically as well.
asciilifeform: i actually spent a good chunk of past 2 days making sense of the reorg logic
asciilifeform: it is braindamaged in a great many ways
asciilifeform: ( for instance, enemy can quite easily fill your disk with well-formed but forkleted blocks -- they are never removed )
a111: Logged on 2017-03-26 04:30 asciilifeform: ( didn't find deathray hidden under the floor, no. but also ruled out bad drams, so the mystery -- remained )
asciilifeform: ( reorg in trb is also ~ruinously~ expensive )
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, aha. it just you know, in the first 1k hours of auditing this it stuck up as the first point of failure. 2013 news.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-26#1632622 <<< yeah, the morti di fame revolution. how to endure hunger while pretending to miami-ness
a111: Logged on 2017-03-26 14:02 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-26#1632619 >> http://184.108.40.206 >> 'When we launched the first boutique portfolio of Argentine wines in 1999, we never imagined we’d be at the forefront of a wine revolution...'
mp_en_viaje: o hey, check me out, all caught up with the logs and shit! nice.
asciilifeform: did we ever do the bicameral ('nursery' vs 'adult') tx db thread ?
asciilifeform: i can't seem to find it
mp_en_viaje: i think only by unspoken reference among graybeards.
asciilifeform: idea being (and currently in 'nqb' asciilifeform is experimenting with the proportions) it is quite stupid to do reorg ops of open-endedly large size.
mp_en_viaje: open ended anything is bad idea
asciilifeform: realistically a reorg affects, what, few dozen blocks. and that's if martians land.
mp_en_viaje: "i want to add two numbers" "how large iwll they be ?" "i odn't know" "please go back to the end of the line, computing 101 door."
asciilifeform: the other open seekrit re classical trb : and afaik applies equally to various prbs : there is no means whereby to introduce a martian reorg consisting of >1 block, such that it will actually get processed.
asciilifeform: the very first block would have to outweigh the cumulative work.
mp_en_viaje: (the problem, to be clear, ~isnt~ that the fellow wants two streams mixed, but that he calls two streams "numbres". head clearly broken in undegrad places.)
asciilifeform: to elaborate : there is a serious disjunction between how reorg is supposed to work, on paper, and how it actually works.
asciilifeform: and, worst of all, it relies on ~local~ phenomena
mp_en_viaje: come to think abou this : fine topic for a loper-os monograph, asciilifeform
mp_en_viaje: it shouldn't be dribbled in the log.
mp_en_viaje: write it out.
asciilifeform: i.e. the orphaned blocks a particular node ~has seen~.
asciilifeform: i'ma have to write it out.
asciilifeform: because i hit against it while laboriously replicating the original logic in nqb,
asciilifeform: and then realizing that it is not logic at all, it is liquishit
mp_en_viaje: an' with that boys an' girls i'll be off. i'll be back on main mondayish. take it easy!
asciilifeform: enjoy mp_en_viaje
jhvh1: shinohai: (later tell <nick> <text>) -- Tells <nick> <text> the next time <nick> is in seen. <nick> can contain wildcard characters, and the first matching nick will be given the note.
shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/8tpnw/?raw=true
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: in other noose,
asciilifeform: or, hm, these get gc'd, don't they.
asciilifeform: 'Hello asciilifeform I see on coin.dance/nodes , The Real Bitcoin is listed with the 'Emergent Consensus' feature tag. Could you tell me if that's accurate - will you follow a HF to > 1MB , and could you tell me anything about how it's implemented in TRB ? Thx!'
Framedragger: ^ should work
asciilifeform: oh neato.
Framedragger: oh shite, says 'nothing found'. could it be that the ID had already been used long ago? i suppose so
Framedragger: (scriba should have an option to force rearchiving i suppose. it does tell me if it fails to submit to archive (if archive.is does not return 'ok'), but in this case as far as archive.is is concerned, it's been properly archived; the fact that the contens say 'wotpaste: nothing found' is not its problem.)
Framedragger: (not sure. will check later)
shinohai: I'm gonna bring back Classic since I failed at the whole phoundation thing! https://t.co/lkp7gyYWsR
asciilifeform: 'We will implement replay protection'
asciilifeform: i'm still waiting for something like a coherent explanation of how that's to work.
shinohai wants to know who "we" is precisely ....
asciilifeform: let's say gavin writes a forked client that incorporates the entirety of traditional bitcoin, and keeps both blockchains around, simply to refuse to spend any output that's been already spent somewhere in actual bitcoinland.
asciilifeform: this -- works. but the hose has TWO ends
asciilifeform: you can still spend in actual bitcoinland, what has been spend in shitcoinland -- bitcoin does not give half a fuck re what happens in the megablox
asciilifeform: that it rejects.
asciilifeform: *has been spent
asciilifeform: perhaps this is a fairly obvious inference but bears restating for the l0gz.
asciilifeform: there is not a programmatic pill against http://qntra.net/2015/01/the-hard-fork-missile-crisis .
shinohai: ^ nope, and handily Buttfinex is apparently gonna list it making it convenient to dump.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/03/dying-america-firm-nearly-robbed-with-own-merchandise-as-vultures-swarm/ << Qntra - Dying America Firm Nearly Robbed With Own Merchandise As Vultures Swarm
danielpbarron: !!v 1CDCB0A3AE33F114C191B8A0BF5802C4F0E4BA56BF60D7363184CCBF0E2D6C9C
deedbot: danielpbarron rated lobbes 3 << hosts official Eulora log and auction bot
danielpbarron: !!v D0051FFE64AE2135F05688E3D4384FE7138F9676FB43DDB16C02A91D71FE70E6
deedbot: danielpbarron rated peter__ 1 << probably heard of Eulora via my visit to some derpy hacker channel
danielpbarron: !!v E9FAE05889B0DE5FC6B1C5E3D5956C0558CC7AFBBF65784FCA889C855A516F86
deedbot: danielpbarron rated tobi_ 1 << probably heard of Eulora via my visit to some derpy hacker channel
danielpbarron: !!v 474EB1F5F9087B778E7DD7304878E4705C3A6B3D094572D2BCC6CD96FB6F51C8
deedbot: danielpbarron rated Framedragger 2 << hosts the official trilema log and is repsonsible for the epic ssh key phucktoring
Framedragger: (ftr my log is not the 'official' log)
danielpbarron: is it not? you sure about that?
danielpbarron: phf's may be the more widely used but it's my understanding yours is technically the official
Framedragger: at the very least the definite article 'the' wouldn't be the one i use
danielpbarron: well i would
Framedragger: to reframe into a pragmatic context, my log doesn't and won't for the time being (busy af) have search. as regards its formal status, i don't know man, but i'll just keep maintaining it :)
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu's headache-inducing abolition of the short (!s etc) commands, was specifically about formally canceling there being such a thing as 'official log'
asciilifeform: incidentally : asciilifeform's muscle memory never recovered, still has to look up the commands ~every~ ~single~ ~fucking~ time.
asciilifeform: search, later-tell, etc.
mod6: <+mp_en_viaje> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/WRtLs/?raw=true << holy shit we need better logging omfg what is this even. << yeah, true.
mod6: <+mp_en_viaje> thanks for reporting TomServo x.x << Indeed, let us know if you see something similar.
mod6: !~later tell TomServo Are you still getting blocks and have moved beyond 458051 or whatever?
jhvh1: mod6: The operation succeeded.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/03/ceo-elizabeth-holmes-of-theranos-please-dont-sue-have-my-shares/ << Qntra - CEO Elizabeth Holmes Of Theranos: Please Don't Sue, Have My Shares
shinohai: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C72_3siW0AQGwu1.jpg <<< continuation of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-26#1632778 "I only shared it with ONE person"
a111: Logged on 2017-03-26 16:21 shinohai: I'm gonna bring back Classic since I failed at the whole phoundation thing! https://t.co/lkp7gyYWsR
shinohai: "I'll find out who did this IF IT'S THE LAST THING I DO!!!!!"