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mircea_popescu: also he's tweeting off an ancient samsung galaxy. much to everyone's aghast anger.
asciilifeform: waiwa what 'should' he be doing it on
mircea_popescu: well ostensibly not logging into an account that everyone now watches, because if it gets hijacked jets may get scrambled.
mircea_popescu: besides, if he has it on him, you know, like in a "sikrit place" like the whitehouse tree fort or under the covers, it could stagefright/illuminate teh "sikrits" usg supposedly has.
asciilifeform: the set of folx who can pump arbitrary crapola into it, is likely in the 100s, or 1000s
asciilifeform: (starting with twatter inc, then moving on to pnoje carrier, os vendor, et al)
mircea_popescu: “The president is the original classification authority so he has enormous discretion about when and under what circumstances to do that,” Zach Goldman, the executive director of NYU’s Center on Law and Security, told Gizmodo. “If he decides he wants to read classified documents in the open, I don’t know what the intelligence community can do about that.”
mircea_popescu: total and utter despair, the 15yos going "dad owns the house, he could technically chop down the tree, and there's nothing we can do to prove to him it's really ygdrasil!!1"
mircea_popescu: "but our d&d game!!1" "yeah i know, totally!!1"
asciilifeform: somehow being 'original classification authority' didn't help carter not be thrown out 'and don't ever come back, or ask again' from groom lake '51' .
mircea_popescu: what can i tell ye.
trinque: carter could get thrown out of anywhere
trinque: in the particular instance mentioned, guy was what, "oh I'll tell everyone about the aliens once I get in there!11!"
BingoBoingo: Carter was terrified by a bunny rabbit
trinque: got in, realized he was an idiot and it was cover for ICBMs and SR-71s
ben_vulpes: petraeus for state oh that's rich
mircea_popescu: "i have this guy, and if you don't like him... i have another."
mircea_popescu: "you won't like that other one."
hanbot: why not Cher, at that rate
mircea_popescu: ahaha totally.
mircea_popescu: "and tonight in Department of State and Ginzu Knives, CHER AND SONY BOOOONOOO!!!!"
mircea_popescu: "he was a senvernor you know!"
mircea_popescu: or what was he, mayor of seattle ?
hanbot: seattle, schenectady, something
mircea_popescu: i thought new york chartered towns get ceos not mayors.
deedbot: http://thewhet.net/2017/yankee-doodle-henry-part-ii/ << The Whet - Yankee Doodle Henry, Part II
mircea_popescu: hanbot that's a pretty freaky series you got going there
BingoBoingo can't wait to hear what the SADFAG of the day is!
mircea_popescu: totally.
ben_vulpes: "Fact: Adversarial examples generalize across models trained to perform the same task, even if those models have different architectures and were trained on a different training set. This means an attacker can train their own model, generate adversarial examples against it, and then deploy those adversarial examples against a model they do not have access to."
mircea_popescu: yes yes, except it's as far from a fact as it could possibly get. it is, in nucet, the HOPE of usg "ai" work.
ben_vulpes: to use it against other 'ai'?
mircea_popescu: in simple words, "the only hope of an our democracy surviving the republican age is if some mechanical method to turn noise into sense is devised"
mircea_popescu: this is correct, but also hardly a fact. just the constraint.
mircea_popescu: how exactly "in order for you to exist, water must be pink and freely float in the atmosphere" turned into "fact: water is pink and freely floats in the atmosphere" has a lot to do with the hidden "i necessarily must exist" prior.
mircea_popescu: other than the (actual) fact that there's nothing necessary about existence, perfectly sound AAA+++ science. would worship again.
ben_vulpes: i don't hafta toss my sims out too, do i?
mircea_popescu: i don't see why.
ben_vulpes rummages for the ultralight 'bigdog' sketches
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's a common thread going through the google go ai, attempts to "secure the banking system against risk", the surveillance state / internet of things / smart cars and so on.
mircea_popescu: that common thread is nothing novel - the socialist state through its central planning committee encounters the unknowns problem. for as long as that is not resolved, the socialist state is doomed in principle.
mircea_popescu: much like ancient chinese emperors had a very firm limit on their reign. no matter what anyone said, their divinity however described still ends one day.
mircea_popescu: so they did what they could do, invest in immortality pill research.
ben_vulpes: 'ai' to handle the unexpected situation/'unknowns problem'?
mircea_popescu: similarly here, every socialist state since hobbes' leviathan made some attempt to subjugate aquitaine, that horrifying heterodox place where riches spring from the very soil.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes some basis upon which a single authority may stand. see the problem with the reality function is that it does not have calculable maxima.
mircea_popescu: you may find a maximum, but it will be localized. this is no good.
mircea_popescu: for as long as reality resists formulation, there can't be properly speaking globalization in any meaningful sense ; just the pretense of it readily defeated in practice.
mircea_popescu: now, that this quest is doomed should be obvious. but what's the emperor to do, accept facts ? no teenager yet has admitted his inferiority to their archnemesis cum rival yet. it's just not the way of the highschool. and so...
ben_vulpes: aah. hey is the fed ai yet?
mircea_popescu: they try.
mircea_popescu: well... it's a alright. the i...
ben_vulpes: i discern that people are really bad drivers
mircea_popescu: and bitcoin is really a terrible network
mircea_popescu: see the pattern ?
ben_vulpes: yeah, meatsacks shouldn't operate their own road ice.
mircea_popescu: MOST meatsacks shouldn't do anything.
ben_vulpes: mhm "even google ai is better at driving than most people"
ben_vulpes: later
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-22#1616687 <<< Just finished 2 builds, running one now asciilifeform
a111: Logged on 2017-02-22 04:00 mod6: [nao building with v 99994A1 asciilifeform_goodbye_pingers_fixed.vpatch]
asciilifeform: in other noose, the goodbye_pingers experiment is not a mega-success, dulap is 30+ blox behind
asciilifeform: considering that it cuts off stock trb -- it is surprising that it was at any point caught up.
asciilifeform: i'ma give it another day and then roll back.
asciilifeform: but meanwhile, in comedic theatre, https://archive.is/NvRz0 >> 'This is an announcement about CVE-2017-6074 [1] which is a double-free vulnerability I found in the Linux kernel. It can be exploited to gain kernel code execution from an unprivileged processes.'
asciilifeform: 'The oldest version that was checked is 2.6.18 (Sep 2006), which is vulnerable. However, the bug was introduced before that, probably in the first release with DCCP support (2.6.14, Oct 2005). The kernel needs to be built with CONFIG_IP_DCCP for the vulnerability to be present. A lot of modern distributions enable this option by default.'
asciilifeform: $ zcat /proc/config.gz | grep DCCP
asciilifeform: # CONFIG_IP_DCCP is not set
asciilifeform apparently not 'modern'
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C30AA4DAEC55910C94B5E32B7B847E3D84DA19A0160ACB16424A6913156B5CD4 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1398...1177 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.244.251.98 (ssh-rsa key from 77.244.251.98 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (ip077244251098.rev.nessus.at. AT)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C30AA4DAEC55910C94B5E32B7B847E3D84DA19A0160ACB16424A6913156B5CD4 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1552...8749 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.244.251.98 (ssh-rsa key from 77.244.251.98 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (ip077244251098.rev.nessus.at. AT)
asciilifeform: https://www.nessus.at << lel, not the famous nessus.
asciilifeform: but some derpatron, 'NESSUS GmbH.'
asciilifeform: in other lulz, 'IN THE PURSUIT OF UNTHINK In order to let our collective curiosities be the ultimate guide in our journey to pursue the meaningful opportunities of tomorrow, we are always looking to assemble a talent pool, that is not just content with thinking differently, but thinks a whole lot differently. We like to call this phenomenon 'unthink' and Gaditek is 'where unthink is'.' ( http://www.gaditek.com -- runs a prb node. )
asciilifeform: parody horizon.
jurov: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=603790 "Assignee: ada@gentoo.org → maintainer-needed@gentoo.org"
jurov: no adaists anymore in gentoo
a111: Logged on 2015-02-17 23:08 asciilifeform: gnat-4.3.5 is a working gentoo ebuild
asciilifeform: jurov: i blew ~month on this horror.
jurov: ow
asciilifeform: for completeness i will also point out that adacore's tarball will, with some handholding, build.
asciilifeform: problem is: you need a working existing ada !
asciilifeform: to build any gnat.
asciilifeform: catch22.
asciilifeform: (same problem as gcc, but difference is, gcc will -- theoretically -- build on certain other compilers, though i have nfi when anyone last attempted this. but there are not and never were any open alternatives to gnat.)
asciilifeform: there is a dark heathen world of proprietary ada compilers, mostly for winblowz, but they are so rare, you will find them on no warez, anywhere.
a111: Logged on 2015-02-16 06:17 asciilifeform: so the 'google finds unique strings' thing, sure - can we conclude that i'm the only one alive trying to build 'gnat' on 'gentoo' ?
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2015/youve-made-the-bed-enjoy-dying-in-it << thread was memorialized, apparently, on mircea_popescu's www
asciilifeform: in other noose, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/jJ7iS/?raw=true << on a traditional (zoolag) trb node. i never once saw these in past log readings, and now they are quite common.
asciilifeform: e.g., 'ProcessMessage(inv, 37 bytes) : CHECKSUM ERROR nChecksum=812df086 hdr.nChecksum=e2d894ca'
asciilifeform: either peculiarly broken clients have proliferated, or somebody's flipping bits on the wire...
asciilifeform: !~later tell ben_vulpes the alert messages said 'URGENT: Alert key compromised, upgrade required.' iirc this was part of prb's scheduled retirement of the alert crapola.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: ty asciilifeform
asciilifeform: colour me thick -- what is happening in this photo ..?
mircea_popescu: a man with a functionally inadequate reproductive organ has adorned his squalid abode with what purports to be cocaine.
asciilifeform: doesn't cocaine ~shrink~ cocks ..?
asciilifeform: seems like somebody flipped a sign bit somewhere.
mircea_popescu: that's the source of humour : that he's a walking stereotype and apparently unaware.
mircea_popescu: drug abuse promotes poor hygiene, cocaine shrinks cocks, you name it.
mircea_popescu: or i guess shinohai
shinohai: Creamed filled yet
mircea_popescu: "what's the ultimate in orgasms ?" "to come powder. out your ass."
mircea_popescu: sounds bout right.
trinque: but why
trinque: logic being, I guess, if I can't smell the fart AT LEAST I CAN SEE IT
trinque: people are strange
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/iOsua << in other lulz. Ur-fearing bitcoin, old lizard starts push of chumps into ye olde paperizable gold.
mircea_popescu: the fourth marx brother!
asciilifeform: in other noose, dulap is caught up.
asciilifeform: the ping thing did some ill, and an unknown, possibly null, amount of good.
asciilifeform: currently 9 peers.
mircea_popescu: 4 blocks in the past EIGHTY MINUTES.
mircea_popescu: and some weird behaviours in the mempool.
mircea_popescu: and in today's dose of monster wtf : "<DicePower> So like, the 0.1.2b .tar.gz contains multiple files with the same name but of different case, i.e., EuloraV0.1.2\art\Graveyard~ and EuloraV0.1.2\art\GRAVEYARD~ which Windows wants to fix by overwriting one when the .tar is unzipped. What is the proper course of action to avoid later linking errors, etc.?"
mircea_popescu: dude, really ?
veen: https://archive.is/x57D1 << "NASA…has discovered a new solar system [with] three [planets] that sit squarely in the so-called ‘habitable zone,’ meaning that there is the potential for liquid water: the key for life on another planet."
veen: ^^ life’s hard dep on liquid water, choice fallacy of modern astronomy.
mircea_popescu: isn';t it ?
veen: as long as you define life to mean life like we have on earth
mircea_popescu: well it's kind-of the interest no ? "can trump build hotel resort"
ben_vulpes: the search for life that's more or less pretty much just like us, so far away as to provide a nice escape out of having to do anything other than write grants
veen: i perceive the interest to be more zoological
veen: rule out metabolic pathways that spontaneously arose in oceans of methane and the search is ~guaranteed to come up dry
mircea_popescu: even entertaining the zoological angle. what alternative pump do you envisage ?
mircea_popescu: understand that water is important because it does (at least) two pumps simultaneously. firstly the heat pump, secondly the synthesis pump. it is : a) an oxide (this means it doesn't burn -- not just "not in oxygen" but not in general, few elements are more reacrtive to substitute) which b) has an immense caloric capacity and also c) is a very powerful universal solvent.
mircea_popescu: this makes it a major schelling point for lifebuilding. do you know of an alternative material or combination that could serve ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: say, CCl4
veen: i'm no expert in the field of biochemistry, but i'm aware models have been proposed
mircea_popescu: your planet will either need large oceans of something else (what ? water ? then water-life will take over) or else will experience large temperature swings
asciilifeform: bit circular, neh. lower-cc-than-water . could still suffice.
mircea_popescu: iirc it was 146 to water's 4k
veen: hypothetically ammonia and various hydrocarbons could do the trick
mircea_popescu: these more-than-order-of-magnitude differentials matter in engineering.\
veen: mircea_popescu: 'cc'?
mircea_popescu: veen if you bother to do the math you'll see there's actually pretty good reason to suspect life ~= water within three or so sigmas.
ben_vulpes: caloric capacity
ben_vulpes: aka heat required to raise a gram of the material 1c
veen: ah specific heat
mircea_popescu: "pour ammonia on it" won't work nearly as well when your alt-lifeforms manage to start a kitchen fire out of icecubes and alt-wood shavings.
veen wonders if specific heat varies with pressure
mircea_popescu: does not.
mircea_popescu: it is a proxy of molecular interaction strength.
mircea_popescu: unless your idea of pressure is "degenerate matter", it dun matter.
asciilifeform: certainly varies with phase!
asciilifeform: consider water.
mircea_popescu: yes with phase. but your life will contain liquid most likely.
shinohai: Now that is non-Newtonian fluid I can get behind.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-22#1616940 << mircea_popescu doesn't, apparently, sweat..!
a111: Logged on 2017-02-22 21:28 mircea_popescu: yes with phase. but your life will contain liquid most likely.
mircea_popescu: i don't follow ?
asciilifeform: the other phase
mircea_popescu: yes, so there's a latent phasechange heat of what, 17k or so, roughly 4 degree's worth.
mircea_popescu: considering you're about 50kgs of water and 50grams of sweat, i hardly see the difference.
mircea_popescu: point being, a gas phase lifeform is rather unlikely, and a solid phase one'd be utterly slow.
mircea_popescu: but in any case the pressurizing of a gas won't yield significant caloric capacity to matter in this discussion.
asciilifeform: for the sake of properly massaging subj -- why not gas phase ?
mircea_popescu: same reason no cold phusion
mircea_popescu: disperses
asciilifeform: hot, then, fusion, for this example. but sure.
ben_vulpes: looks like a rerun
shinohai: I'd remember those tits ....
shinohai: (right areola is slightly misshapen but who am I to judge
mircea_popescu: you peeps are incredibru.
shinohai: I wish my peeps had been incredible enough not to fuck up that Eulora click earlier this week.
ben_vulpes: too many 'tits at dinner', i guess, they all run together
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: so what's going to happen with tillerson?
asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, PANZERS!!
mod6 looks
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i dunno, what ?
a111: Logged on 2016-01-20 02:05 asciilifeform: presently trb does not have this sane behaviour
veen: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-22#1616772 << ben_vulpes i assume mircea_popescu doesn't mean secretary of state
a111: Logged on 2017-02-22 04:55 mircea_popescu: btw, trump actually gave state to petraeus, at least on the declarative front.
shinohai likes to minagine this `wires` patch as G for trb
shinohai: *imagine
asciilifeform: shinohai: it's a prereq for using 'g' or any similar item
shinohai: Also, as side note, last night's patch produced no different behaviour
asciilifeform: it can also be used with traditional ssh tunnels; or even as-is, which will result in same situation as presently seen with 'addnode' -- but no more disconnects!
mircea_popescu: ah that';s nice.
mircea_popescu: solid improvement.
asciilifeform: classical trb did not have a nondisconnectable marker for peers; would not connect to localhost; and deprioritized non-8333 ports to dead-last order. 'wires' fixes this.
shinohai: Lots of irons in fires atm, but exciting development asciilifeform .... I will test in < 24 hrs
asciilifeform: the one case i have not yet tested is the ~bidirectional~ wire.
asciilifeform: i am deliberately leaving this to you lot
asciilifeform: oh and yes, fWires flag is not currently used for anything.
asciilifeform: ( someone is certain to ask 'why' )
mod6: asciilifeform: thanks for submitting.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what means "state to petraeus" then?
ben_vulpes: wires is neat asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: i shall read, think -- later.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes was prior to tillerson being confirmed.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-21#1616348 << do "marriage" and "divorce" even have much of a place in the republic?
a111: Logged on 2017-02-21 22:27 danielpbarron: ban divorce and it isn't "pedo marriage" -- she grows up eventually
ben_vulpes: note how veen went from "my business partner" to "veen", but "my wife" is still -- mine
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: we briefly had a case of an interactive wife here, davout's
asciilifeform: but currently 0
ben_vulpes: had key?
ben_vulpes: migrated to #t wot?
ben_vulpes: suppose that woulda been done for her.
asciilifeform: !!key oleanie
ben_vulpes: !!reputation oleanie
ben_vulpes: hah epic
asciilifeform: there were formerly other ratings, but evaporated
ben_vulpes: was at c2, no?
asciilifeform: smoked the smallest cigs i ever saw
asciilifeform: like long pencil erasers.
ben_vulpes: in absence of counterclaim, is davout's wife then
ben_vulpes: a contractual relationship between republicans.
ben_vulpes: or possibly implicit!
asciilifeform: quite implicit, the marriage was certainly not executed here.
ben_vulpes: would be interesting to see gpg wedding contracts
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: could be contractual even if contract never executed in chan or even deeded.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: only in heathendom
ben_vulpes: there is no bar to presentation of previously signed documents at a later point.
asciilifeform: ah in that sense
asciilifeform: given that contract is a thing only to the people in it -- sure.
ben_vulpes: there are republicans of various standing, their vassals, and everyone else.
ben_vulpes: the vassals for whom this grates, straight to gpg.
mircea_popescu: i don't get it, why can't your wife also be jane ?
PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-21#1616189 << Why not just respond with "pong" like they expect?
a111: Logged on 2017-02-21 17:43 asciilifeform: could simply add anybody who emits a 'ping' to banlist.
asciilifeform: PeterL: what part of 'prb does not own bitcoin protocol' is hard to grasp?
asciilifeform: to what else would you have trb 'respond as they expect', PeterL ? bloom filter? segshitness?
asciilifeform: no pasaran.
PeterL: seems like a ping, pong is not a big change, but I guess I see your point. Is there any benefit to it, or is it strictly noise?
mircea_popescu: this is complicated point
mircea_popescu: there is some value in node discovery, but there's a major problem with the socket starvation.
asciilifeform: PeterL: so far i've found ~0 net effect. (earlier today thought that it was a net loss, but dulap caught up and stayed caught up.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform block verification having been your actual issue as per http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-21#1616446
a111: Logged on 2017-02-21 22:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i expect your node's problem is verification.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: block verification is ~an~ issue, world stops for 3-8 minutes when block candidate is being eaten. but is demonstrably not the cause of multi-hour blackhole.
mircea_popescu: yeah. just, back on the 21st the problem happened ot be a pile of contrived blocks s'all.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you know moar, i'm all ears
mircea_popescu: if only. the pile of gnarl is unfuckingtraceable.
mircea_popescu: but that 3-8 minutes CAN be half an hour.
asciilifeform: btw do the prb folk have parallelized block verify yet? or do they simply eat whatever garbage.
mircea_popescu: they more or less gave up on verifying.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: next patch is a blockverify timer.
mircea_popescu: this is useful.
mircea_popescu: esp if you get it a little more detailed. per tx.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the point in case block we were discussing yest. i timed it at 22 minutes on "reasonable" amd.
asciilifeform: ^ who... and why??
mircea_popescu: nobody and why not.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: might be interesting to extend my eatblock experiment to modern height
mircea_popescu: i think that's a fine example to be instrumented for study.
mircea_popescu: just profile the code eating it.
asciilifeform: ( if you recall , that was when we had a trb node, offline, eat the complete chain to date from disk, with timer and valgrind going )
mircea_popescu: no, i am aware.
asciilifeform: that xxxx74 block may well be close to 'worstcase'
mircea_popescu: it's not even the usual worstcase but some novel hell
asciilifeform: i'ma guess the elixir of slooow is: disk thrashing via snarfing of old inputs
asciilifeform: with max nonlocality
asciilifeform: (a 2010 here, a 2011 there...)
mircea_popescu: scripts also manage to clog.
asciilifeform: disk is the real killer tho.
asciilifeform: (there is a sigop limit, but no block seek thrash limit!)
mircea_popescu: there is some indirect coinbase selection stuff.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> ^ who... and why?? << lol indeed
asciilifeform: update: both 'wired' nodes at 454265
asciilifeform: !~bc stats
asciilifeform: !~bc stats
jhvh1: asciilifeform: Error: "bc" is not a valid command.
asciilifeform: !~bcstats
jhvh1: asciilifeform: Current Blocks: 454265 | Current Difficulty: 4.40779902286E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 455615 | Next Difficulty In: 1350 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 4 hours, 22 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
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