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asciilifeform: !!up simonpenner
deedbot: simonpenner voiced for 30 minutes.
simonpenner: thanks and hi
simonpenner: I've been invited here it seems
asciilifeform: hello simonpenner. who might you be ?
simonpenner: just a guy with opinions
BingoBoingo: Aha, you did get the invite
asciilifeform: simonpenner: register a gpg key, per http://deedbot.org/help.html , then you will be able to voice yourself.
simonpenner: BingoBoingo: I poked my head in here the other day on a fake name via webchat, to figure out what it is. Now I've got a bouncer set up and can IRC again
simonpenner: to clarify in case you missed this: I did not write the days of rage post, that is a guestpost
simonpenner: I did write liek 3/4ths of the rest of the site tho
BingoBoingo: I did see that, but what can a person do?
BingoBoingo: brb, news
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BingoBoingo: !!rate simonpenner 1 New News
simonpenner: what does that mean?
BingoBoingo: !!v EE3FA0DF50F005DD03FB1C9C145151F6C9DA94729B36A14C87EF17D46DA7B8E4
deedbot: BingoBoingo rated simonpenner 1 << New News
BingoBoingo: simonpenner: You can now give yourself voice
BingoBoingo: !!help
simonpenner: oh I get it
simonpenner: you did a pgp auth right there?
BingoBoingo: Indeed
BingoBoingo: Well not an auth so much as a challenge/response
BingoBoingo: Auth implies state and state is bad
simonpenner: oh so you're all functional programmers too?
simonpenner: or anarchists?
simonpenner: or both?
BingoBoingo: It's a mix. I am primarily an alcoholic in recovery.
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron is an aspiring Theocrat
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes likes cars and wants his computers to be more like his cars
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform is a dog that thinks himself a cat
simonpenner: I mean, cats > dogs
BingoBoingo: Depends on the work
simonpenner: well thanks for the invite. interesting place here
simonpenner: which one of you invented btc? :P
ben_vulpes: simonpenner: cats are pests
BingoBoingo: We haven't quite figured that out.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: How do you control vermin population without cats?
asciilifeform: i suppose ben_vulpes catches rats with own hands
simonpenner: well foxes are like a hybrid dog/cat with the best of both worlds
simonpenner: so you're on the right track I think
ben_vulpes: what catch, my envelope has integrity
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Sure but the GARDEN!!!
simonpenner: I've a cat. I love. I used to have a dog (ex's dog), I loved him. Both are good
BingoBoingo: !!up simonpenner
deedbot: simonpenner voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: simonpenner: Voice yourself
mircea_popescu: oh also terrorists
simonpenner: see about that
mircea_popescu: please to not forget the terrorists.
simonpenner: am I going to get swat guys busting down my door for hanging out here?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he misspelled. "pets".
mircea_popescu: simonpenner allegedly.
BingoBoingo: simonpenner: Nah
simonpenner: I figure if you were actually up to no good you probably woudln't do it in public
asciilifeform: simonpenner: you will, but there is a long queue, i've been waiting for gassing since '13
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9924E4C4DC7F32111B55091323E34CB4E15F9E1AAAFE1501993E1C23DF2F488A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1572...4187 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '81.210.54.28 (ssh-rsa key from 81.210.54.28 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (waw-srv2.kba-polska.pl. PL)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9924E4C4DC7F32111B55091323E34CB4E15F9E1AAAFE1501993E1C23DF2F488A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1693...0403 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '81.210.54.28 (ssh-rsa key from 81.210.54.28 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (waw-srv2.kba-polska.pl. PL)
mircea_popescu: this is a very naive presupposition.
BingoBoingo: !!up simonpenner
deedbot: simonpenner voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: oh he still can't self voice ?
simonpenner: I can, just slow
simonpenner: drinking makes crypto hard
mircea_popescu: simonpenner so what do you do, other than aving started a blog last year where ppl guestpost
simonpenner: I write software, people give me money for it
mircea_popescu: any particular kind ?
simonpenner: webstuff
simonpenner: and you?
mircea_popescu: you didn't bother googling me did you
mircea_popescu: i'm fabulously rich, i don't do anything.
simonpenner: I did, apparently didn't read far enough
simonpenner: you've sure got an interesting story
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/01/first-wave-of-attorneys-challenges-trumpreich/ << Qntra - First Wave Of Attorneys Challenges Trumpreich
mircea_popescu: lol ahahaha wait, derpy left narrative is now that random judge can STAY an executive order ?
mircea_popescu: in what fucking alt-universe is this how things work.
mircea_popescu: mmm. "savant of the strange, herald of the hypothetical, expert enigma"
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AC10BA793FB8C7D91493BFBE1A4B57AF12EDD346DF4B9F9A2F3AB0B22F278266 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1579...0943 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.57.179.29 (ssh-rsa key from 212.57.179.29 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown RU CHE)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AC10BA793FB8C7D91493BFBE1A4B57AF12EDD346DF4B9F9A2F3AB0B22F278266 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1793...2933 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.57.179.29 (ssh-rsa key from 212.57.179.29 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown RU CHE)
mircea_popescu: tl;dr : guy who inexplicably considers himself qualified to opine on others fails to understand why is it that spurious dude with no skills or abilities is spurious.
mircea_popescu: "there is no good answer!!11" really ? "yes, because i will not consider the obvious point that this guy's supernumerary"
mircea_popescu: "but he's a hard worker and gives 110%!!!" yes but 110% of shit is still worth nothing.
BingoBoingo: Well, then why does he have nipples?
mircea_popescu: i have no idea.
BingoBoingo: Compost all the supernumerary!
BingoBoingo: Seriously a broken google cache link in the piece to http://mattforney.com/fat-girls-dont-deserve-loved/ Why no real link?
mircea_popescu: because most of this shit is ephemeral, like the shitheads who author it.
mircea_popescu: "With no experience or knowledge of the worlds of science, art, or literature, and deprived of the sheer necessity to earn their subsistence, my patients are rich in nothing but time on their hands, and so they embark upon the Liaisons Dangereuses of the slums. " from the much better https://www.city-journal.org/html/rush-judgment-12282.html
mircea_popescu: In their late twenties the most intelligent among them say to me, "There's something missing in my life, but I don't know what it is." ; and i grin and if they have nice tits and are tall enough i show them to their cell.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/ED7A32587D2275512A200ECD69E2758A918109BB6B82E71D130792461084B71A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9224...0213 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '186.167.34.114 (ssh-rsa key from 186.167.34.114 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown VE A)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/756EA7EC2D73642CCB8E5FB086B32B42C7353C39CF1732A6FDFB57FE1A26C7A6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1156...5983 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '211.143.38.10 (ssh-rsa key from 211.143.38.10 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown CN 43)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/ED7A32587D2275512A200ECD69E2758A918109BB6B82E71D130792461084B71A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1156...5983 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '186.167.34.114 (ssh-rsa key from 186.167.34.114 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown VE A)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/756EA7EC2D73642CCB8E5FB086B32B42C7353C39CF1732A6FDFB57FE1A26C7A6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9758...1617 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '211.143.38.10 (ssh-rsa key from 211.143.38.10 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown CN 43)
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/01/29/lavarice-et-lenvie/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - L’Avarice et l’Envie.
mircea_popescu: o hey, in other lulz turns out sarah schneider (college humour) published topless for teh fappening.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/do-you-understand-how-the-world-works/ << Trilema - Do you understand how the world works ?
Reuel: mircea_popescu, diana_coman, re: your criticisms, I would say that, at the higher level, there is a choice in target audience, people who live democracy as implemented in the west and agree with it will find no trouble wasting time on a game like this, since it mimics familiar mechanisms (even if broken). In this particular channel, probably not enough ppl would be interested.
Reuel: Then, if it would have to be implemented with what you would call more sane basics, the in game money would need to come from somewhere. Could be solved by making each vote costing actual irl money. Maybe even make many of the in-game actions cost money. So, either a per action cost that can be paid, or each player pitches in at the start to fill the nation's coffers.
Reuel: I would say this would greatly increase complexity, as well as the cost of mistakes in the implementation.
mircea_popescu: how can you make an evaluation as to what people'd do ?
Reuel: I think, you believe that the choice in what to vote in is totally free.
Reuel: But it would be a designed lawbook
mircea_popescu: you don't take my meaning.
mircea_popescu: let's work a thought experiment.
mircea_popescu: so in a nameless city on a nameless street a spot of commercial space opens up. it has all the amenties and whatever.
mircea_popescu: two people are interested in this space. one guy is a dwarf alchemist. he wants to put in there a large cauldron and other things, according to a complicated scheme he has, which at all junctures is justified formally and specifically, but in general it all backs into "because it'd be cool to do".
Reuel: haha
Reuel: i get it
mircea_popescu: the other guy is an elven astrologer. she wants to put in there a large couch and other things, according to a complicated scheme she has, which at all junctures is justified formallyt and specifically, buyt in general it all backs into "because i think people'd like this".
mircea_popescu: now, if the dwarf runs into trouble, his retort is work ; and if the elf runs into trouble, her retort is drink.
mircea_popescu: much like to the elf and her friends any round refusal of "considering what people like" smacks, residually and vaguely, of "racism" ; just so to the dwarf and his friends any round refusal to refuse to consider "what people like" smacks, residually and vaguelly, of laziness. ie, the only reason the elf's an elf is because she's aforedecided she won't put in any work, and all that's left for her thereby is astrology and "what
mircea_popescu: people would like".
Reuel: seems like two extremes though
mircea_popescu: well they're mythological creatures.
mircea_popescu: but the problem remains : i can tell you why any engine doesn't work in all cases ; you can't tell me why people like or don't like anything in any case.
mircea_popescu: to use a ballas-ism, people who allign their future to that vector how did it go
Reuel: in the simple case of my game, it would be, at the bottom, the same as action movies for a large part of the population, power fantasies
mircea_popescu: "the vast majority who have aligned theyir psychology to this vector will pursue an impossible fantasy at the expense of their labour and their lives."
mircea_popescu: Reuel if i were into that, why wouldn't i do exactly what the retard with "coreboot" did, or that unmentionable dimwit with "tor" ?
mircea_popescu: seems to me there's already a social media democracy game which costs nothing to enter ; and at least in the fantasmagoric minds of half the pariticpants promises to pay out.
Reuel: haha
Reuel: yeah
mircea_popescu: if they were gonna put half a hour into the female gossip thing you describe, they'd have already found livejournal / instagram / whatever they use these days.
Reuel: so the game is absolutely no match for the channel, no problem
Reuel: my main goal here was to make a bot as to get involved a bit
mircea_popescu: you mean an irc bot ?
Reuel: the game I can still unleash on the unsuspecting masses
Reuel: yeah
mircea_popescu: so make a logger, look at Framedragger phf ben_vulpes 's for inspiration.
Reuel: thing was I already started on the voting game back end
Reuel: but, is there a need for a logger?
mircea_popescu: well, only in the limited sense that it'll allow people to evaluate you.
Reuel: fair enough
mircea_popescu: why, you had a better idea ?
Reuel: no, but if I make something useful, that would be of more benefit I guess
mircea_popescu: well, there's various actually useful projects waiting for a hand. such as for instance http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-22#1588182
a111: Logged on 2016-12-22 06:41 mircea_popescu: ok so a) gotta see if ext2 / ext4 CAN EVEN HOLD this many symlinks. like, at all.
mircea_popescu: go do hdd profiling on large symlink load, very useful.
Reuel: this is then partly hardware related as well then?
mircea_popescu: not really, the inquiry is mostly re os
Reuel: its setting up an experiment, not making a bot though
mircea_popescu: oh, you want a bot specifically ?
Reuel: so this would be best to do on a clean hdd
Reuel: nah
Reuel: Im looking to improve standing after all, although a bot sounded interesting
mircea_popescu: well yeah, you want a hdd. if it's new or old don't su much matter, but empty.
mircea_popescu: do you understand the bitcoin end of things ? are you running a client ? ever got a v-build of trb to run for instance ?
Reuel: no
Reuel: i see it ties into bitcoin in the log but
Reuel: is it necessary to run an experiment that answers your question
Reuel: necessary to understand
Reuel: the bitcoin aspect
Reuel: ive ran core and other coins core but no deep knowledge
mircea_popescu: ah. well, from a simple "cs competency" perspective, doing a trb build first is very good practice. i'll familiarize you with what's here a minimal bar of qualification and anywhere else above the reach of graduate students somehow. and it'll show you the power of the tools and the quality of the engineering.
mircea_popescu: then you can look through mimisbrunnr and see the sort of load bitcoin db implies, then you'll be in a fine position to model adequate tests for the profiling thing above
Reuel: ok
Reuel: step one is setting up a node then?
mircea_popescu: use v to set up a trb node yes.
mircea_popescu: see mod6's scripts
Reuel: this works in ubuntu?
mircea_popescu: should yes.
Reuel: or should i use another os
mircea_popescu: and if it doesn't, that's both interesting and you're already building standing as you say.
Reuel: ah ok
Reuel: good, I will start there then
mircea_popescu: people generally look to answer the very simple "who the fuck is this guy again ?" ; "he found that quirk on so and so linux flavour" is a better response than "i dunno, he just started talking one day".
asciilifeform: btw mircea_popescu's list of Open Problemz imho should include (~usable~, unlike solrodar's) trb flow-graph
asciilifeform: it is much harder problem than i suspected originally.
mircea_popescu: what was the problem there ?
asciilifeform: !#s mouse find cheese
mircea_popescu: prolly should be memorialized in detail.
asciilifeform: a graphical circuit with more than a handful of crossed lines is ~unreadable.
asciilifeform: you want two things,
asciilifeform: 1) relateds-physically-near-relateds
asciilifeform: 2) minimal crossing.
asciilifeform: this is -- noshit.jpg -- np-hard.
mircea_popescu: iirc we discussed doing a sort of iterated attractor thing
asciilifeform: there are well-documented algos for approximating solutions to this class of problem.
asciilifeform: (simulated annealing, for one)
asciilifeform: this is one of those items whose lack will be sorely felt every time sane folx go on a burst of Reading Old Code
asciilifeform: and the problem becomes ~tractable~ -- as many do -- when you know which guaranteed non-solutions to discard, e.g., per thread, http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-02#1222081
a111: Logged on 2015-08-02 16:03 asciilifeform: the most critical thing re: the graph is probably to make it reflect ~only function calls~ rather than class membership
asciilifeform: btw flow-graph is entirely isomorphic to electrical pcb routing.
asciilifeform: (where you also have Shortest Tracks and Crossing Is Expensive)
asciilifeform: flow graph aside, it is interesting to note that existing tools for analyzing cpp hairballs do almost ~0 useful work.
asciilifeform: for instance, can haz 'show me ALL OF THE PLACES MEMORY IS ALLOCATED'
asciilifeform: dun exist.
asciilifeform: assorted wankery, and generation of faux 'documentation' -- sure, by the megatonne.
asciilifeform: useful inference ? none.
asciilifeform: there's a thing for finding ~some~ buffer overflows. and that's it.
mircea_popescu: actually a long term "c++ toolkit" is probably a very worth republican project. it's accessible by parts, like seen here, even if the parts are really above pay grade of most folk, and is certainly unevitable. we're stuck with a lot of c++ code and this isn't going to go away.
asciilifeform: it isn't even a mega-mystery what this will have to look like:
asciilifeform: modified gcc , with forcibly-removed AST-covering panties,
asciilifeform: exposed to a lisp.
mircea_popescu: probably, yeah.
mircea_popescu: on the good news front, we do have lisp-in-linux-on-irc already.
mircea_popescu: imagine a v-tree code analysis bot.
asciilifeform: it isn't clear to me though that there are so many cpp hairballs that justify the salvage effort
asciilifeform: trb is the only one i know of first-hand
asciilifeform: and solely because of the 'grandfather's pistol' aspect
mircea_popescu: there's also linux ; and eulora ; and gcc. and for that matter... emacs.
asciilifeform: on this list eulora is the only cpp proggy...
mircea_popescu: not linux ?
asciilifeform: ( mircea_popescu uses 'c' and 'cpp' interchangeably, but they are quite different , the way heroin and cocaine differ , though both are simply 'dope' to the uninitiated )
Framedragger: linux is pure c, no?
asciilifeform: pure c.
mircea_popescu: i like the place where you live ; and would love to visit sometime.
Framedragger: (re. v-tree code analysis bot, mmm sounds hot.)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: kernel is 100% c/asm, wat.
mircea_popescu: kernel is a ... kernel.
asciilifeform: ditto userland toolz.
asciilifeform: the only cpp in my pogo build was trb.
mircea_popescu: what can i tell you.
asciilifeform: to briefly revisit upstack, the difference matters here in the respect that a ~cpp~ call-grapher is a ~much~ taller order, because of the OOP soup
asciilifeform: (in cpp you not only have function calls, but invocations of methods, on objects with wildly varying lifespans and scopes)
asciilifeform: and many 'action at a distance' idiocies
asciilifeform: y'know, crapolade that dijkstra warned against in 1972, when it barely existed even.
asciilifeform: imho it may or may not make sense to make a tool just for trb. just as raising most ww2 sunken submarines is not +ev, only the ones full of nazi gold.
asciilifeform: or how cia/howard hughes built a massive robotic salvager JUST for that one sov sub.
mircea_popescu: this is not exactly true. the raising of nazi submarines is +ev for nation-state ; as shown once ru sub sinks.
asciilifeform: afaik most german subs are still right where they were left, on the bottom.
asciilifeform: hence the inference that 'it's -ev'
asciilifeform: then again i would not be the first to know, if this weren't so.
asciilifeform: re hughes 'glomar explorer', story is that even AFTER cover was blown, the thing was sent to do the ~job claimed in the cover story~ -- undersea mining. and not 'raise ww2 ships', which even after the robot was built, remained -ev.
asciilifeform: (mining was ditto -ev and thing was quickly auctioned for scrap)
asciilifeform: or, hm, not so quickly. so perhaps it had undocumented adventures.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: except trump's caddy to be every bit as brash. and are the amerikans still claiming a growing economy ? really ?
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/01/29/a-glimpse-of-great-during-the-first-week-of-great-again/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - A glimpse of Great during the first week of Great Again.
pete_dushenski: apologies also for the delayed responses. as ^^ points out, i was away and pretty, pretty, pretty unplugged.
pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: i hear you. and no disagreement here. pride will dig you into unnecessary ditches from which you'll then have to climb out. also, yw for auctioneering :)
pete_dushenski: twas a good time.
asciilifeform: in other wtf, old mobo comes back to life just as i readied to hoist replacement into place.
pete_dushenski: heh the survival instinct was strong in that one
pete_dushenski: in less acute instincts, this has to be the lousiest author bio i've seen in a while : "Gary Leff is one of the foremost experts in the field of miles, points, and frequent business travel - a topic he has covered since 2002. Co-founder of frequent flyer community Milepoint.com, emcee of the Freddie Awards, and named one of the "World's Top Travel Experts" byConde' Nast Traveler (2010-Present) Gary has been
pete_dushenski: a guest on most major news media, profiled in several top print publications, and published broadly on the topic of consumer loyalty."
pete_dushenski was reading up on trump's new eo for entry-exit
pete_dushenski: wtf is most major news media ?
simonpenner: pete_dushenski: is that this visa denial one or is there another one now?
pete_dushenski: simonpenner: same one. sectioon 7 relating to biometric entry-exit tracking was just getting a bit of traction on the second go-around
pete_dushenski: *section
pete_dushenski: not that exciting, really. just thought the dude's bio was lulzy
pete_dushenski: in other lines between the lines, even the lefty design pubs are finding it fashionable to besmirch globalism : https://www.fastcodesign.com/3067578/exposure/the-monotony-of-globalism-32-cities-32-identical-hotel-rooms
pete_dushenski: it's not that the rooms are even all that similar, just that you gotta subtly prime the coming nationslism every way possible
pete_dushenski: slism on some slissurp
mircea_popescu: eh they couch surf anyway
Reuel: Am I still up
mircea_popescu: the half hour thing is for noobs only.
Reuel: Ignore my test, also, have you guys automated the login process with the OTP etc?
mircea_popescu: what do you mean ?
Reuel: for yourselves
Reuel: just wondering
mircea_popescu: yes but what are you wondering ?
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: lol *expect
Reuel: well I have to copy paste he OTP, run cmd line stuff, etc, just curious how many here automated the process
mircea_popescu: ah. i haven't.
mircea_popescu: if you end up losing connection a lot better fix your bouncer set-up than automate your identity
Reuel: ah yeah there's some security risks ofcourse
Reuel: oh yeah I read that before but had no practical use for it as yet, liked it though
mircea_popescu: how goes mod6
mod6: very well, Sir.
mod6: Despite all of the recent discussion around multiple roots... I was able to get that working in the forthcoming version.
mod6: At least, it looks like it's good so far.
Reuel: but I can't wait to boil disks in tomato juice
mod6: I'm starting a huge testing phase as we speak. I thought it was worth the effort to /try/ get it working for others.
mod6: And looks like my couple of days playing with it paid off.
mircea_popescu: bolognese!
mod6: Oh, speaking of cured meats... I hit up the deli again today and picked up a bunch of different salami.
mircea_popescu: actually i was speaking of the pasta in tomato sauce with minced meat dish, but nevertheless :D
mod6: lol, these people think i'm nuts. they're like, "mod6, how much do you want? quarter pound?." i'm like waving it in. "gimme the whole thing."
mod6: so to the tune of boiling in tomato sauce... I did this.
mod6: but then after that, i scrubbed them all with very corase sand paper.
mod6: then after that I blow-torched 'em.
mod6: then after that I used a pair of metal cutting scissors and cut them in to very small pieces.
mircea_popescu: "and then after i had threw them at the ugly mothers of my enemies"
mod6: if that doesn't do it, well then fuck me.
mod6: lol, exactly.
diana_coman recollects of all a sudden a pocket-book from childhood: "Taiem porcul. Cum il preparam?"
mircea_popescu: diana_coman did you see that "amintiri din epoca de aur" antology ? there's a segment there re apartment gassing of pig.
mod6: Looks ike a decent meat book.
mircea_popescu: mod6 pretty much 20th century ro traditional pig slaughter.
mod6: that would be awesome, actually.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I missed that it seems
mod6: someday, I really wanna get into butchery
mircea_popescu: when i was a kid ~every male was supposed to be able to do this.
mircea_popescu: under pain of childhood.
mod6: yeah, its a basic life skill.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman it's not terrible. mungiu &co.
mod6: i totally missed out on that.
diana_coman: mod6, it was actually quite decent
mircea_popescu: mod6 nothing you can't learn in a week. provided of course there's whom to learn from.
mod6: If shoot a moose or slaugher a pig, or whatever, gotta know how to take it apart and preserve the meat. Basic.
mircea_popescu: moose is itself a coupla days for 3 people.
mircea_popescu: not really same thing as pig
mircea_popescu: chet actually did that in her alaskan youth.
mod6: Aha, I bet.
mod6: I was watching this recent show about this part of alaska that's now been deemed only for wild-life. It's this huge area in the artic circle. Some people still live there though, as they were granfathered in.
mircea_popescu: i don't expect the whole "not for people" libertard thing will last.
mod6: Only like 7 families remain. Most of them live off of moose & caribu I would guess. Fish. etc.
mod6: I would like that kinda thing I think. Maybe in another life.
mircea_popescu: maybe in another life you come as the caribou!
mod6: lol! and may the gods make me swift.
mircea_popescu: anyway, yeah, the north is not particularily unfriendly food wise. it's just cold. meanwhile the south utterly sucks for food.
mod6: I suppose there are alyways things to hunt. Just not quite as large of game maybe? Although in the south east, they love, for instance, alligator.
mod6: Which can be pretty big I suppose. I had it once. Was pretty tasty.
mircea_popescu: i had it in alabama. pretty good.
mod6: When I was out west, most of the deer were "mule-deer" much smaller than their northern conterparts. But there were wild-boar... so I guess I guy could have his pick from jack-rabbits or boar, or mule-deer. *shrug*
mircea_popescu: sort-of shrimpy
mircea_popescu: mod6 well if you mean north as in "past artic circle" then i mean south as in "past tropics"
mod6: I remember it being like a greasy chicken type thing. Even had some dark meat in there.
mod6: Ahh.
mod6: Yeah, no idea what they might have as far as game down in that region. Aside from like snakes. That's what I think of. Snakes.
mod6: This one site says that there is amazing big game hunting in .ar: cougar, white-tail deer, "brocket" deer, and 'peccary'.
mircea_popescu: ar is not really tropical though
mircea_popescu: more like kansas
mod6: *nod* it is fairly warm there. it certainly isn't like where I'm at. I mean, it's less extreme. Here it gets really hot and humid in the summer, and extra cold in the winter.
mircea_popescu: yeah nothing like cold.
mircea_popescu: summers are humid though, my ac is literally pouring out a faucet.
mod6: aha. the autumn in .ar is pretty plesant though.
mircea_popescu: ya prolly best time
mod6: In the summer, does it cool off quite a bit at night though?
mod6: So walks are not so punishing?
mod6: Wow. Tomorrow is supposed to be 34 deg. C.
mod6: Batten down the hatches.
mod6: <+diana_coman> mod6, it was actually quite decent << right on. how've you been lately? how's eulorian things?
mircea_popescu: not really. i don't think it ever gets under 15
diana_coman: mod6, fighting the planeshift jungle mainly; so Foxy gets to roam eulora mostly; did you ever get to set the client up ?
mircea_popescu: mod6 it's not even "34 C". it's that the air is so moist, getting this to 24 is about 3x the joules it'd take you to get it to 24 in a sane climate.
mod6: ah. huh.
mod6: diana_coman: well, i've got a box. my main focus has been getting these V changes put in. and pretty much think that's complete, but got a ton of testing in front of me.
mod6: but, i'll see about getting that new client setup. i kinda want to use foxybot to mine stuff for me.
mod6: best game evar basically.
diana_coman: mod6, testing is still in the future of eulora mostly ; sadly; and I get what you say there: I wouldn't spend the time now to set the client up if it wasn't already there and ready to be left on its own for days at a time
mod6: it actually doesn't take long to set it up at all. but i need every spare minute possible for V atm. but when I have a few spare cycles, I'll get that going. at least I have a box for it now.
mod6: as far as testing, it can not be understated how important the automated tests were for V to ensure that regressions did not happen. would be great to eventually have a framework build up for eulora so that functional and unit testing could be inplace the same way.
mod6: that could be an entire role for someone aspiring to help out in all seriousness.
mod6: I need to get the ball rolling for something like that with TRB as well.
mod6: we have very few tests, and we need probably thousands.
mod6: eventually maybe, anyway.
mircea_popescu: fail open, those derpy locks, did they.
mod6: the current #trilema-mod6 log is pretty short, but I've done some upfront testing with mulitple roots. If you want to see the info, here's a log link to the goods: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema-mod6?d=2017-1-29#0fde4881-aaa8-4bf7-ba7c-9c0bd0d3856c
mod6: oh fwiw, like we discussed, I also added a "multiple roots found, continue?" question for the user.
mod6: ben_vulpes: i like how wotpaste works in lynx btw.
asciilifeform: sooo went over 'resurrected miracle' mobo with magnifying glass, there is indeed a leaking electrolytic cap (and a few pre-death ones, bulging like botulistic tinned food)
asciilifeform: the odd part is that the thing boots and memtests etc. nao.
mod6: weird. must be within error tolerance eh?
asciilifeform: knife's edge
mod6: re: question for the user to proceed with multiple roots; this adds a level of annoyance. thoughts?
mircea_popescu: take out of seals people who cause the annoyance.
asciilifeform: 'multiple roots' is 100% inevitably caused by patch curator (i.e. v operator) and never the submitters
asciilifeform: i can trivially cause it on my box by throwing, e.g., FUCKGOATS genesis, into trb dir...
mircea_popescu: myeah. rather than "proceed yes/no" it shouldask you which genesis you mean.
asciilifeform: i still see 0 logical reason why 'flow' command has to barf -- it can happily display both flows. 'press', on the other hand, will NEVER have any problem knowing which flow to press to point P
asciilifeform: any pressable P relies strictly on one particular genesis.
mircea_popescu: are we going to go through this whole thing every single fucking time someone brings it up ?
mircea_popescu: by now it's more like trolling than anything.
asciilifeform: hey i genuinely disagree that power saw needs an 'am i sawing finger' sensor.
mircea_popescu: so we'll have semantic difference between press and flow now./
mircea_popescu: why not add the outside temperature to the flow. it'll be better that way.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-29 05:54 mircea_popescu: lol ahahaha wait, derpy left narrative is now that random judge can STAY an executive order ?
mircea_popescu: if only people knew activist judges can stay executive orders, how much fun obamacare'd have been\
mircea_popescu: pity earth sciences hadn't discovered this golf cross pattern earlier.
asciilifeform: only works for the left.
asciilifeform: as is typical.
mircea_popescu: in the sense magic only works for the shaman lol
asciilifeform: in so far as 1) activist-judge is still a judge, and mr.t's dhs 'announced that it will obey judicial orders' and 2) the rapefugees were let out of the airport and happily on their way to $destination -- it works.
asciilifeform: the Have Rights (tm) (r) yousee.
mircea_popescu: i dunno what one must be smoking to imagine this will ever occur, but hey.
mircea_popescu: inasmuch as derpy slum-dwellers with delusions of participation and importance believe it does, more power to 'em.
asciilifeform: didja read the link ? or what, it is disinfo, and order will not be carried out ?
mircea_popescu: what link ?
asciilifeform: the ruling
mircea_popescu: lol ruling. who cares.
mircea_popescu: next congress is going to pass a debt ceiling or something.
asciilifeform: how's that relate ?
mircea_popescu: look, at the height of bushomania the dude's breaking-the-law dept was declaring on its website that "they obey the laws". and nixon's, idem. because wtf are they going to be, men ? the next mp, state "take it an shove it" plainly like that ?
asciilifeform: there's a set of derps sitting in airport. they either get let in past customs -- or not let in. physical fact. activist-judge proclaimed 'let in.' and by all indications, mr.t -- kowtowed.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile all sorts of dorks can importantly say whatever they please.
mircea_popescu: they're not getting let past customs.
mircea_popescu: the chances of black person without a twenty dollar bill making it in the us today is ~0.
mircea_popescu: all the judges in the world gathered in conclave can do jack shit about this ground fact.
mod6: Hm. Well, maybe I'll take out the check then. And it's really up to the operator.
asciilifeform: i for one like being able to correctly display ALL v-pressables on my entire box.
asciilifeform: in 1 command.
asciilifeform: but maybe that's just me.
ben_vulpes: dear lispers, what would compel someone to put a defpackage form inside an eval-when?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: vodka
mircea_popescu: antifreeze.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> hey i genuinely disagree that power saw needs an 'am i sawing finger' sensor. << Ideally saw operator has said sensor
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