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BingoBoingo: !~later tell Ingolfr_Arnarson Who is your daddy and what does he do?
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
davout: ohai, guten morgen
BingoBoingo: Good morning to you davout, our favorite resident of the Dark Island.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/01/hussein-bahamas-commutes-sentence-of-chelsea-nee-bradley-manning/ << Qntra - Hussein Bahamas Commutes Sentence Of Chelsea (nee. Bradley) Manning
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/01/police-clear-weapons-caches-in-dc-parks-ahead-of-trump-inauguration/ << Qntra - Police Clear Weapons Caches In DC Parks Ahead Of Trump Inauguration
davout: currently appearing right next to each other on lefigaro.fr
davout: "Son humour est absurde et souvent à base de fluides corporels."
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: le figaro, translating from ustardian newspapers two months later. they still get them by boat in the provinces or what ?
mircea_popescu: the whole pepe fake news thing didn't go anywhere pre-elections and lost ~all relevancy nov 8th
davout: fun times to be living in when fishwraps report about internet memes
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0CD9A20A2B24AC1479376D379E7FE5BC721141416BFE0C5DFD3A2DA7E8163123 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1635...7089 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '85.119.154.51 (ssh-rsa key from 85.119.154.51 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (alpha.ammann-alz.ch. DE NW)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0CD9A20A2B24AC1479376D379E7FE5BC721141416BFE0C5DFD3A2DA7E8163123 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1481...7729 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '85.119.154.51 (ssh-rsa key from 85.119.154.51 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (alpha.ammann-alz.ch. DE NW)
mircea_popescu: dat sad fucking day when the top result for francois perrier in both text and images comes from fucking trilema.
mircea_popescu: davout tell the idiots over at le figaro it's game over. seriously now.
trinque: wat
trinque: he's getting connection timeouts so far trying to reconnect
trinque: herr deedbot
trinque: ah must be freenode sandstorm day again
shinohai: !~weather
jhvh1: stormy with a chance of packeting
trinque: lol
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/late-to-the-party-as-usual/ << Trilema - Late to the party. As usual.
asciilifeform: woah that's the dourest looking mircea_popescu face thus far
mircea_popescu: i was reading some stupid shit online.
mircea_popescu: (the pic is actually from luxor, 2003)
asciilifeform: http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-38664225 << in other noose. Use Moar Leadfree Solder!!
asciilifeform: 'Across the 18 satellites now in orbit, nine clocks have stopped operating. Three are traditional rubidium devices; six are the more precise hydrogen maser instruments that were designed to give Galileo superior performance to the American GPS network.'
mircea_popescu: iirc the galileo system was never seriously intended to have reliable satellites. the plan was lots of them
mircea_popescu: in other nutty, apparently there's a rather active tlp subreddit. in case anyone's unclear as to how "foss" works : they'll soon enough come up with a tlp 2.0 and then discontinue the original website.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-17 16:06 mircea_popescu: suppose you met an ant one day, and this and told you in morse code its whole genome.
mircea_popescu: apparently author experienced complete loss of interest in grammar also.
asciilifeform: most likely never was literate.
asciilifeform: (it is rare among young folx in monkeystan, nao.)
mircea_popescu: but he's 23 and for MANY YEARS was extremely pro-startup. which illuminates why start-up had to lose the dash.
asciilifeform: pretty sure it was pg who cut out its dash.
asciilifeform: (why, i do not know, ask him not me)
mircea_popescu: originally my "trei ani de experienta" (three years' experience) was a stab at the deeply illiterate, cargo-cultish third world shithole that was romania.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the us has closed the gap.
asciilifeform: dunno if there ever ~was~ a gap.
mircea_popescu: possibly just more successful at repressing the mass of idiots.
mircea_popescu: "I convinced my self for so long that whatever I was doing was going to be great and help lots of people, but it didn't."
mircea_popescu: myeah. almost made me want to leave a comment. but, not gonna bother.
mircea_popescu: the cries of help from the abjectly humble may be heeded ; but hn has too much accumulated sin on its back.
mircea_popescu: anyway. these "engineers" making their own bed... seriously now ? MEN WITH JOBS! JERRY! AND SECRETATIES!
mircea_popescu: who the fuck makes his own bed ; and why the fuck do they think they have anything to say that may interest anyone.
asciilifeform: at one point (mid-2000s) i quasi-regularly read hn. it always had a background hum of wagner/cyanide, but carefully filtered, the way slaughterhouse keeps the squeals isolated to one end of the conveyor, so as not to frighten the incoming pigs.
mircea_popescu: i suppose if i gave half a shit about "online" and "the web" and whatnot in 2000s i might have read it too. as it happens, i didn't.
asciilifeform: i didn't either. just bored.
mircea_popescu: so i guess i miss out on most of the... what is it, "this used to be not bad" roots of the nonsense, much like my girls that started watching mtv in 2005 rather than the 90s.
mircea_popescu: but yes, mtv was kinda... not bad, in 1995. not like it was great or anything, but by the time it "yo mtv raps" and so on it was clearly off the rails.
asciilifeform: fwiw i never saw it and don't have a feeling of having missed anything.
mircea_popescu: exactly how this works. the "had to have been there" sort of joke, not really funny in any sense.
asciilifeform: i read reddit/hn, & co., for a short while because it had a subculture of commonlisp folx. then stayed tuned for no good reason for a spell, from inertia.
mircea_popescu: yeah, where do lisp people hang out these days, outside of #chainstate ?
asciilifeform: in phf's/ben_vulpes's/trinque's chairs...
mircea_popescu: "as of december 2016 mtyv no longer plays music videos" ahahahaha
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/01/ether-camp-breaks-out-in-cheating-accusations-after-huffing-orgy/ << Qntra - Ether.camp Breaks Out In Cheating Accusations After Huffing Orgy
mircea_popescu: ahh that slow motion trainwreck is such comedy gold.
asciilifeform had a dream last night, that he was tending a threadbare patch of ground in afghan. and another dream that he visited mircea_popescu's house, and it turned out to be a massive derelict freighter, tastefully rockefellerized on the inside.
shinohai: This is what you get for digging graves for cats at midnite asciilifeform ..... I think Samuel Clemens warned about things like this happening.
asciilifeform: shinohai: i thought it was edgar poe who warned.
shinohai: "Why, you take your cat and go and get in the graveyard 'long about midnight when somebody that was wicked has been buried; and when it's midnight a devil will come, or maybe two or three"
BingoBoingo: Anyways the lesson of yesterday's log is that asciilifeform needs a warm wet cotton rag to help the next kitten.
asciilifeform: what does that do
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It lick the butthole without your tongue so kitty can poop
asciilifeform: what sort of defective species is this.
BingoBoingo: at some point cat grows to lick own butthole, but this is thing cat learns
shinohai: I mean, we *all* have to learn how to lick buttholes.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0351549381C86B392E49437BC88CD95A42B4EBAD4B4F89E2DFF9851812D286AE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1662...6497 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '210.173.241.186 (ssh-rsa key from 210.173.241.186 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (apipo.net. JP)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0351549381C86B392E49437BC88CD95A42B4EBAD4B4F89E2DFF9851812D286AE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1713...2037 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '210.173.241.186 (ssh-rsa key from 210.173.241.186 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (apipo.net. JP)
trinque: when I had two kittens around, I just folded the things in half until they got the message
trinque: messy buttholes are forbidden
mats: mm, butts
asciilifeform: 'The Boeing-manufactured bomber has been flying since 1952 and is expected to remain operating until around 2040, depending on when it is fully replaced by the Northrop Grumman’s B-21. ' << b21 is the bomberized chumpatronic equiv. of the mega-imaginary f35. ~21 bil. usd already contracted, in 2015! for delivery in.. 2040.
mircea_popescu: ahahaha wtf
asciilifeform: cost predicted to be ~500 mil. each, iirc.
mircea_popescu: how does an engine fall out
mats: 'accidentally' bombed a refugee camp like usg accidentally bombed a chinese embassy
mircea_popescu: hey, they learned it at harvoxford
asciilifeform: mats: that thing dun load
asciilifeform: redirects to some 'select your state for latest news' nonsense
asciilifeform: iirc (anyone has source?) 1 in 7 b52 built to date, burned down in ~training accidents~
ben_vulpes: i'm sure the nukes are in fine condition.
ben_vulpes: very convinced.
ben_vulpes: such a simple machine, detonator and compressive charge, how could anyone ever fuck that up.
mircea_popescu: "we fucked up rhodesia and now the remnant doesn't think so much of us, oh noes"
pete_dushenski: sorta how this works. nth generation libtard prof in kent thinks himself superior to injens, which is ironically just like granpappy
pete_dushenski: that white priviledge is a stubborn stain
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: you'll be pleased to hear that i resurrected cycling season today. +2C and studded winter tires were a combo i couldn't pass up. route that takes 25min in the summer took 35 through the snow and slush. will be trying for once a week going forward, weather permitting.
mircea_popescu: so i just ran a count and among the ~4k or so different names, there's a <Nick_Szabo> !
a111: Logged on 2013-12-23 15:39 Nick_Szabo: money laundering is a human right!
pete_dushenski: "Hi, Would you be interested in Email List of Toxicology Industry Professionals?" << that's a new spam angle.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: studded bike tires?
pete_dushenski: oh yes, german ones.
ben_vulpes: seems unnecessary
ben_vulpes: fatties aren't adequate?
ben_vulpes: ("i know what this entirely figured-out industrial process needs -- more steps and parts!")
pete_dushenski: just swapped out tires on my normal road/crossover bike. 35mm is pretty narrow. didn't have the stomach for wider rims to accomodate wider tires. anyways, the studs are put to use.
pete_dushenski: to use a mod6ism, it's slick as a minnow's dick out there.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: on the chains thread, perhaps worth pointing out that this area doesn't salt the roads.
pete_dushenski: o! no gravel either ?
ben_vulpes: most people get around in covered wagons anyways, so it's not that big of a deal.
pete_dushenski: $tax all spent on homeless anyways
pete_dushenski: at least this is my impression from reading ch. been a few years since i was in portland
ben_vulpes: what tax, pdx issues bonds and goes into debt just like the big boys
pete_dushenski: i have nfi. assumed you (or landlord) paid prop tax, gas tax, parking ticket tax, whatever else
ben_vulpes: well yes ofc, but the point is that there's no hard coupling between revenues and expenses when the government can simply borrow more.
pete_dushenski: s/$tax/$gov
pete_dushenski: anyways, seems the height of incompetency not to do ~something~ when it snows. shovel, scrape, salt, sand. you've got the four s's right there. pick one.
ben_vulpes: dunno how you got to "portland does nothing" from "no salt or sand". there are plows, they were out.
ben_vulpes: moreover i live in clackamas county, where civilized men load the children and whiskey into the trucks and go plow each others streets for fun.
pete_dushenski: that's like, off the grid, man.
ben_vulpes: dependence on the state is cancer of the soul.
pete_dushenski: don't need to tell me, i cashed their paycheques for years.
pete_dushenski: reading journal entries from those years definitely sounds like i can soulcancer.
ben_vulpes: salted roads another subtler check
pete_dushenski: more lulzy spam today, "This is the only available means of communication to me, so I crave your indulgence to kindly read my email and I'll start by introducing my self, my name is Aisha Gaddafi the daughter of Muammar Gaddafi, the deposed and deceased former president of Libya. I am currently residing in Muscat the capital of Oman under political asylum along with my remaining three kids. Copy this
pete_dushenski: wikipedia link and open in a new browser if you care to know more about me http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayesha_Gaddafi "
pete_dushenski: does nigerian prince have own entry ? "look, i'm real! my wiki says so!"
trinque: "I reject the continual erasure of sex workers from our feminisms" << lel
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/the-scum-and-its-hopes-dreams-and-aspirations-and-their-effects/ << Trilema - The scum ; and its hopes, dreams and aspirations ; and their effects
ben_vulpes: trinque: fwiw, if a girl doesn't at least allow for other women to engage in sex work she can't be called a feminist
trinque: sry my brain stopped processing at "our feminisms"
ben_vulpes: gotta wail together or it doesn't work i guess
mircea_popescu: the "sex work" thing is pretty lulzy.
asciilifeform confesses that this is one of the few trilema pieces that he found utterly opaque
asciilifeform: possibly because i find the underlying wank that provoked it, quite mysterious
pete_dushenski: i read it as "no one asked the untermensch what they think, but isn't it funny to get a glimpse inside of what they think they think" (part cccxiv)
trinque: there's this prevalent american myth of the impotent nerd, probably generated by insecure TV/"film" writers in the latter 20th century
asciilifeform: yes but which untermenschen, and what is it that they think.
asciilifeform: trinque: impotent/defeated/despairing folx certainly exist
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: that's like asking "which clump of mud in the mudpit"
pete_dushenski: which is the pecunia non olet bit
pete_dushenski: trinque: and yet that impotent nerd character is 'supermanised' into bill gates, swordfish hackers, and snowden in the same breath. not that i have a model for this duality.
asciilifeform: 'supermanised into snowden' ?!!!
ben_vulpes: wasn't the swordfish hacker played up down and sideways?
pete_dushenski: snowden has own official agitprop movie! citizenfour!
trinque: pete_dushenski: I dunno that gates was ever cool, just in "the media" lots.
trinque: guy always seemed like a bed wetter
pete_dushenski: lol well put
asciilifeform: is there a supermanised agitprop movie of martin and mitchell ?
asciilifeform: y'know, the ~original~ snowdens
pete_dushenski: i don't know ?
trinque: 60s is too early for this thing
trinque: you've gotta watch 80s trash like Revenge of the Nerds for the genesis
trinque: current generation uses ^ as an excuse for their bottomless laziness
trinque: anything but that she isn't fucking you because, you know, you didn't go over there and fuck
pete_dushenski: hey, mom could've give dude a lift, cut him some slack that his dick's dry as the sahara.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, there's this whole "engineers are beta" thing.
mircea_popescu: which is incomprehensible on the face.
asciilifeform: re m & m, http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/lulz/m_and_m.png ( from http://documents.theblackvault.com/documents/nsa/75791A.pdf ) >> apparently they considered taking out contract on m & m, but decided not to
mircea_popescu: but basically is merging with an older "niggers are sex fiends" theme of racist thought. so by now it's "good white guys with small dicks being accountants" vs "evil niggers with clubdicks" sorta nonsense
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik the 'engineers' thing is from the 'dilbertian iconography' where there is class warfare between precisely two types of being, the 'dour engineer' and 'pointy haired boss'
mircea_popescu: no, no, the pointy hair boss isn't in this strip. it's more in the line of "good white boy goes on deployment, meanwhile his derpopotamus falls in the lures of black pimp/drug dealer, lives like her black sistas"
mircea_popescu: which doublessly IS a vein, but which really has naught to do with either power or thought.
asciilifeform: i thought when 'good boy went on deployment,' it is 'rear rat' who fucks his wife
mircea_popescu: i suppose that's actually the demographic underlying the conceptual oddity, "red pill" subculture is mostly low wage rural whites, who work for a highway diner, go in afghanistan, etc.
asciilifeform: or is this yet different movie.
mircea_popescu: it's becoming quite evidently a poor-white-vs-poor-black dynamic, now that i think of it. "engineer" is there in the sense "ceo" is there in soap operas as the symbolic job of the husband. not like he ever does any ceo-ish things.
mircea_popescu: apparently "the red pill" is the knownothing society of 2000s.
mircea_popescu: in which perspective, "evolutionary biology & game theory" woo is the eugenics of 2000s.
mircea_popescu: (how the fuck anyone even marginally conversant in the respective topics manages to wade through the bullshit is anyone's guess. but somehow a concept for group role in evolutionary biology became a brand of identity in "evolutionary biology", and we're all speaking of "alphas" and "betas" as if these are a thing, a brunette, a beta. i guess in a very postmodern cartoonish sense they are. aanyway.)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that was actually the part i found to be the puzzler -- who exactly are these.
asciilifeform: there does not seem to be a consistent definition in use.
asciilifeform: in other noose, first freight train from china arrives in london, http://tass.ru/ekonomika/3950122 .
ben_vulpes: that feel when your html renders just fine in lynx but chrome makes an unspeakable nightmare of it
asciilifeform: and in yet-other noose, last d00d who walked the moon, reported dead.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform which these ?
asciilifeform: 'alphas' etc.
mircea_popescu: well, a whore is the sexually active girl who won't fuck you ; and the alpha is the dude she'll fuck in preference. i'm pretty sure that's the extent of the common ground, ie, the "community" definition.
asciilifeform: 'whore' must mean 'won't fuck you' on some other planet..?
mircea_popescu: well this is altogether another planet.
shinohai: Lol Roger Ver got suspended from reddit
mircea_popescu: for censorsheep ?
BingoBoingo: Prolly for brigading
shinohai: Doxxing
shinohai: gah doble `x`
mircea_popescu: don't tell me he had a dispute over who's paying for the two slices of pizza with some other captain of industry and ended up going into the blockchain.info admin interface all over again
shinohai: Best I can tell he posted a link to theymos' personal info
shinohai: Which I freely posted 4 weeks ago and nothing happened.
mircea_popescu: heh mkay.
mircea_popescu vaguely recalls blowing the dude's "cover" sometime in 2013 or w/e that glbse shares scam happened.
mircea_popescu: not like it was secret or anything
thestringpuller: that was 2012
thestringpuller: don't get senile on us
mircea_popescu: dude, you have no idea, i was looking at trilema article earlier and had nfi what it's supposed to be, even.
mircea_popescu: latinx women!!!
shinohai: Why does it irk me when people wear tshirts with blazers or suit coats.
mircea_popescu: well it's more like a burlap thing... call it a burlacket ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, no, dude's just new (post web 2.0) generation "seo expert" etc.
mircea_popescu: which kinda makes me suspect the whole field's ripe for a generation change. "feminism" is certainly shattered post trump, so it looks like there may be a 6th wave brewing. and the 2nd generation seo dorks who came online with the "social media" revolution and web 2.0 idiocies are mostly falling back into regular jobs and boring marital arrangements so there's a void, to be filled.
mircea_popescu: by people who do a lot of couch surfing and type on tablets.
thestringpuller: all the SEO people I know ended up going into machine learning
thestringpuller: only the girls end up fucking with google analytics in their 30s
mircea_popescu: anyway, as far as "online web industry" is concerned, definite signs of a trumpocalypse. sort-of how there was a pre fdr and a post fdr or a pre lincoln and post lincoln america ; there's going to be i suspect a pre-trump and a post-trump web
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: "During the manufacturing process, a unique set of keys are generated and stored in the processor’s fuse array. One of these fuse keys is not known by Intel and is one of the components used to form the basis for consistent derivation of subsequent sealing keys." << in other snorefest. "Unknown" to Intel during manufacturing...uh huh...
shinohai: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=131574.msg1408985#msg1408985 "Some kind of blockchain recording everyone's trustworthyness would be an interesting tool to try to develop."
mircea_popescu: thanks god for tardstalk idea men, where'd we be without 'em
thestringpuller: shinohai: a VER-ified trust store?
shinohai: I was looking into that time when Ver doxed the guy over (at the time) $50 and found that gem
asciilifeform under voodoo curse; 50-year-old genuine feature pillow finally detonated in the wash, made for 2+hrs of wetvac, and 'where the fuck do i get one of ~these~' experience
asciilifeform: *feather pillow
shinohai says nothing about the cat at midnite again
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: dunno if helps. but recently invested in tempurpedic-like pillow due to sleep issues. neck support made a difference.
thestringpuller: altho most don't want to spend $200 on pillow
asciilifeform: ick no american synthetic turdolade plox.
shinohai: I bought a down pillow at JCPenny but has been a bit
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform buy a coupla live ducks and oranges. make pekin duck and new pillows.
asciilifeform: i might have to use mircea_popescu's method. but it will take thousand years, because my proper pillow had 0 feather stems.
mircea_popescu: you pick the down not the feathers eh.
asciilifeform: tell this to the americans.
asciilifeform: who happily sell ~with stems~
mircea_popescu: i think they use a mechanic plucker, ~beat carcass with sticks
asciilifeform: btw mine was made of chicken.
asciilifeform: by hand. by great-grandparents.
mircea_popescu: ah that's bs. virtually no down on chickens.
mircea_popescu: also shittier down by a LONG shot
asciilifeform: was ~just right~ consistency though, and didn't feel like roasting in own juices from the sheer thermal insulation power
asciilifeform: had exactly ideal conductivity.
mircea_popescu: well then may i recomend a tardis.
asciilifeform: this is ftr the WORST possible kind of tech, which is why i even mention it here:
asciilifeform: 1) finite mtbf 2) no replacement possible.
asciilifeform: like one's own motherfucking body.
asciilifeform: 'be smart, don't start' (tm) (r)
mircea_popescu: body very replaceable, just unscrew the head.
shinohai: I saw that on trilema, so I know it's possible.
mircea_popescu: it's an old leisure suit larry idea. I SAW THE FACTORY
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: https://youtu.be/BFZgOK4KIsQ?t=5m << aaaactually this came first!!
asciilifeform: the canonical head-lightbulb in my head.
mircea_popescu: that doesn't really look like it's earlier than the lslilll
mircea_popescu: (incidentally, the characters look like ripoffs of lucky luke antagonists)
mircea_popescu: did they have that in ru ?
asciilifeform: the thing was massively multilayer lampoon of various cultural gibblets
asciilifeform: and i never saw 'luke', but it looks neato.
mircea_popescu: ancient, 60s belgian thing
mircea_popescu: also similarily palimpsest of reference
asciilifeform: yeah i can see it.
asciilifeform puts on list.
mircea_popescu: some crossover with tintin, but meh. the great us equivalent would be i guess popeye
mircea_popescu: (the newspaper edition, not the bastardized tv version)
mircea_popescu: incidentally : the 80s 37yo virgin never killed anyone. just wore his disco suit and applied himself.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ick no american synthetic turdolade plox. << AHA, you've had your fill of polyurethane foam? How much still adheres to the hands?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: some
BingoBoingo: Perhaps time to debride again?
BingoBoingo: Used to it? Attached?
asciilifeform: nah, but i work with hands enough that it comes off.
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