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deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EA847D018F26A8B10BD14FA05388A71300D259ECBDF38E97F9F842981695F00E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 11324222908438140042288890647227129485796617615668366944270379995134245997725054322413715207208768748361669223089766795091689170791362790700011576013866019 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.231.156 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.231.156 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EA847D018F26A8B10BD14FA05388A71300D259ECBDF38E97F9F842981695F00E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 11324222908438140042288890647227129485796617615668366944270379995134245997725054322413715207208768748361669223089766795091689170791362790700011576013866019 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.231.156 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.231.156 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1065C2FFA619AE534A1EA8853A33AD9A810557BCEFC2F45308EE932B59D47BDC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 11324222908438140042288890647227129485796617615668366944270379995134245997725054322413715207208768748361669223089766795091689170791362790700011576013866019 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.231.136 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.231.136 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8A4251B53531E6F9A0A60E2B75B9256CA8412F7F4FA956F2D46772ADB2F890BA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 11324222908438140042288890647227129485796617615668366944270379995134245997725054322413715207208768748361669223089766795091689170791362790700011576013866019 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.228.86 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.228.86 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on F
Framedragger: same AS as before iirc
Framedragger: about dem cctv lens busting bots irl, http://imgur.com/sN1LXtE
Framedragger: why is Vexual banned - http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-16#1522329 - why no bard. you know tor irc channels used to have this skruffy character who connected from some small shanty town in deep russia and spoke broken english. thing is, he found and reported on a ton of deeper bugs, i mean like delicate race conditions that don't normally appear and shit. he claimed to have used win98 and complained all the time that tor broke on win98
a111: Logged on 2016-08-16 02:12 phf: i feel like tmsr needs a bard, whatever happened to vexual
Framedragger: oh and he claimed to be a cat. skruffy the cat, he was. i miss him
mircea_popescu: and in other spring news : out with the old, in with the new! http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltt6i7fbou1r0j4lio1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: ps. is that cum on her upper lip ?
Framedragger: heh possibru! and in other news scriba complies with the mighty bot spec (restarting)
Framedragger: !$ hello
scriba: Hello, world! My uptime is 0:00:25.
Framedragger: !$ help
Framedragger: [need to restart again - sorry]
shinohai: !~die
jhvh1: You have died of dysentery
Framedragger: !$ help
Framedragger: mkay worx. @all lemme know if output makes sense. /msg scriba help or !$ help
Framedragger: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160914/#7 << would this bot functionality only include silently scooping all links and (silently) submitting to archive.is?
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-14: [00:25:06] <mircea_popescu> shinohai trinque phf Framedragger any of you wanna get the links autoarchive thing going ?
Framedragger: !#s scoopbot
a111: 435 results for "scoopbot", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=scoopbot
shinohai: i tried making archive,is bot but it barfs sometimes if link has already been submitted
Framedragger: PeterL wrote a url scooper, maybe he wants to do the url post to archive.is part as it'd be very trivial anyway?
mircea_popescu: Framedragger yes.
Framedragger: shinohai: exception handling much?! :D
mircea_popescu: multiple/all bots doing this would not cause any problems either.
Framedragger: aha. in which case i'll add a thing to scriba and PeterL can do it too and then there'll be some redundancy there, too. sounds good to me
mircea_popescu: perfect. feel free to use whatever archive services you prefer, also. i tend to like archive.is, but it's by no means the only one.
mircea_popescu: but for my own cluing-in : is it possible to write code so that you obtain the same microtime value from two separate calls for it ?
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: re archiving, right! will update laters.
mircea_popescu 's naive notion of microtime would be "returns cycle count", and since all instructions take at least 1 cycle...
Framedragger: i don't know. (asciilifeform?) but look, in http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2607263/how-precise-is-the-internal-clock-of-a-modern-pc there are hints of madness and inconsistency. "returns clock count" doesn't seem to be it.
Framedragger: most systems do not provide that level of info to userland at all afaik
Framedragger: which yes is sad and fuck x86
mircea_popescu: date +%N 353690185 < on a 3ghz machine eg.
mircea_popescu: nanoseconds is 10 -9, which...
Framedragger: remains to be seen if those are actually accurate. i recall wanting to obtain ns-level timing in a small no-bullshit C program, wasn't able to, reliably. could've been my failure, tho. really wouldn't trust those values
Framedragger: some dude got the same values from multiple calls to microtime but that was in php and could have been php caching things, because, php
Framedragger: (linux appears to require `rdtsc` to be able to return something akin to tick count. asciilifeform maybe knows if this is a doomed affair.)
Framedragger: "rdtsc is not guaranteed to be available on every CPU, or to run at a constant rate, *or be consistent between different cores.*" (emphasis mine). `get_cycles()` is recommended, but from cursory look it seems that on some architectures it uses rdtsc internally? madness.
mircea_popescu: in other news, apparently it is impossible to establish the calorie value of garbanzo beans. "somewhere between 80 and 150" should be good enough for anyone!!1
mircea_popescu: Framedragger thinkl about it though : if they coincide, and they also coincide in the same second, all that happens is that your lighthouse... skips a beat.
mircea_popescu: whoop de doo.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, and re http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/#comment-119099 : if anyone likes to fuck around with markov chains etc, a prototype implementation of that would be perfect at this juncture.
mircea_popescu: just take however many lines of x person here, create however many bogus lines, put on your blog or w/e.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: understand and agree. it's worth to have it be pointed out in the comments if only so that someone doesn't start assuming that the spec implicitly provides guarantees of uniqueness etc. and good to have a picture of the madness and lack of guarantee anyway. but i guess you're right
mircea_popescu: yeah, by now it's becoming evident that gossipd is to be delivered with a config file and a VERY LONG helpfile.
Framedragger: man i'll write an mp markov bot one of those days for sure. will probably sneak it into irc bot till it gets banned, too; see how long before people realise it's a bot
Framedragger: for reals
Framedragger: these*
mircea_popescu: lol. have fun.
mircea_popescu: adding a !#wws mircea_popescu for "what would mircea_popescu say" can't hurt anything
mircea_popescu: let's keep terrorism fun after all!
Framedragger: "34:7 What man is there that knoweth not how to go about doing arithmetic on polynomials."
a111: Logged on 2016-09-14 11:48 Framedragger: PeterL wrote a url scooper, maybe he wants to do the url post to archive.is part as it'd be very trivial anyway?
PeterL: so bot listens to chan and whenever it sees a link it submits to archive.is?
PeterL: and would it say anything in chan, or just do it silently?
mircea_popescu: wouldn't say anything.
PeterL: sounds easy enough
Framedragger: form on archive.is is simple PeterL, just need to get a "sekrit id" to then include it in the POST. also don't assume that all post requests succeed / archive.is gives the same answer, as shinohai noted
mircea_popescu: it has the advantage that if i later search for the link it pops it
mircea_popescu: so i don't actually need to know what it was archived as.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger exciting times huh.
Framedragger: verily!
Framedragger: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160914/#141 << ah, should the bot cite the archived link if an archived url is mentioned in the channel?
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-14: [12:45:20] <mircea_popescu> it has the advantage that if i later search for the link it pops it
Framedragger: i assume by "it pops it" you meant archive.is, tho
Framedragger: ah ok.
mircea_popescu: yes yes, i mean if later i'm trying to read the logs, say in 2020, and we're discussing webpage of retard x
mircea_popescu: i can just go to archive.is, put the url in and see the page.
mircea_popescu: #trilema, pissing on "right to be forgotten". since time immemorial.
Framedragger: yeah that right is... problematic
PeterL: should my bot ignore links to wotpaste?
mircea_popescu: i dun think so
mircea_popescu: people dun wanna publish, they shouldn't publish. if they publish, it's published.
shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/1mQf
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
diana_coman: !!key supersechi
deedbot: No such key.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-14#1541600 << i can't get past the wtf. i mean, why not give king solomon , or frederick the great, 'the nuke button' just as well !
a111: Logged on 2016-09-14 08:04 Framedragger: unrelated, http://store.steampowered.com/app/502940/?snr=1_7_7_popularnew_150_2 could provide some fun
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-14#1541602 << it is my suspicion that these folks have left the net, and have gone into the woods to perelman and drink to death among the bears and lynx.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-14 09:51 Framedragger: why is Vexual banned - http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-16#1522329 - why no bard. you know tor irc channels used to have this skruffy character who connected from some small shanty town in deep russia and spoke broken english. thing is, he found and reported on a ton of deeper bugs, i mean like delicate race conditions that don't normally appear and shit. he claimed to have used win98 and complained all the time that tor broke on win98
asciilifeform: hell knows i fight the temptation to also go every day.
shinohai: !!up supersechi
deedbot: supersechi voiced for 30 minutes.
shinohai: ty mircea_popescu for botspec trilema
Framedragger: asciilifeform: (funnily enough vexual pm'd me today, hence why i remembered him)
asciilifeform: he pm's me every day.
asciilifeform: i am rarely able to make sense of it though.
Framedragger: #trilema-outer-circle?
Framedragger: crazy stuff
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-14#1541630 << nah that's its own cpu instr , only starting with pent-II iirc
a111: Logged on 2016-09-14 11:52 mircea_popescu 's naive notion of microtime would be "returns cycle count", and since all instructions take at least 1 cycle...
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-14#1541639 << not only is this true, but you won't be seeing scientifically accurate nanosecond timing in a konsooomer box at all. the physical clock is not up to it.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-14 12:01 Framedragger: "rdtsc is not guaranteed to be available on every CPU, or to run at a constant rate, *or be consistent between different cores.*" (emphasis mine). `get_cycles()` is recommended, but from cursory look it seems that on some architectures it uses rdtsc internally? madness.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-14#1541647 << i suggested this a couple of years ago, and still think it is a fine idea
a111: Logged on 2016-09-14 12:35 Framedragger: man i'll write an mp markov bot one of those days for sure. will probably sneak it into irc bot till it gets banned, too; see how long before people realise it's a bot
asciilifeform: mptron!
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-14#1541672 << archive.is is becoming a serious central point of failure imho.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-14 12:49 mircea_popescu: yes yes, i mean if later i'm trying to read the logs, say in 2020, and we're discussing webpage of retard x
Framedragger: it could also scoop tumblr for porn pics and apply some internalised is-it-bdsm'y filter, too
Framedragger: then gracefully replace users in multiple irc channels with differently trained mptrons
Framedragger: 3. something
PeterL: 4. PROFIT!
Framedragger: asciilifeform: agree re central point of failure; there should be a network of these archivers, too
supersechi: !!register F2A9449DD132B741E416A13E54403D06BFBB0578
shinohai: i want a snarky asciilifeformtron
deedbot: Import failed for F2A9449DD132B741E416A13E54403D06BFBB0578.
asciilifeform: shinohai: i considered writing one and letting it live and to see how long before anyone would notice.
Framedragger: to restart bot, write "x86 is elegant architecture"
Framedragger: instant segfault
Framedragger back to coal mines
asciilifeform: 'German chemicals giant Bayer has confirmed its record-breaking $66bn takeover of GM seeds business Monsanto - a deal that would create the world's biggest seeds and pesticides company.'
supersechi: !!register F2A9449DD132B741E416A13E54403D06BFBB0578
deedbot: Import failed for F2A9449DD132B741E416A13E54403D06BFBB0578.
trinque: servers all wearing white and failing to understand each other : poverty = stupidity. never was nor ever will be doing something wrong
trinque: ahaha
trinque: ^^ over #trilema logs
trinque: supersechi: you will need to upload your key to a keyserver first
supersechi: I have done it I think
trinque: maybe give it 10min and retry, then
Framedragger: supersechi: upload it to both http://keys.gnupg.net/ and https://sks-keyservers.net/ - they will propagate keys amongst themselves but just in case you don't want to wait
supersechi: The public key?
supersechi: Exception
shinohai: that horrid thepb.in stuff is likely culprit
Framedragger: supersechi: keep in mind that just spitting out single words doesn't usually help. use judgement to selectively quote essential details while keeping it short!
shinohai: http://ix.io/1mQN <<<< supersechi imma do you a favor
supersechi: Wow Thanks!
trinque: would not do for merely kindasechi
shinohai: next time it could cost 500`000 ecu
supersechi: Yeah!
supersechi: !!register F2A9449DD132B741E416A13E54403D06BFBB0578
deedbot: F2A9449DD132B741E416A13E54403D06BFBB0578 registered as supersechi.
supersechi: Done all!
Framedragger: http://i.imgur.com/2ZGTzLM.png mircea_popescu gently pushing all #trilema people to move to jobs where there is no such thing as nsfw. public service i guess
supersechi: Now I have to ask for an account?
Framedragger: think so. mircea_popescu ^
Framedragger: supersechi: he'll prolly be around in a few hours' time
shinohai: !!up supersechi
deedbot: supersechi voiced for 30 minutes.
shinohai: meanwhile did you download and install the game already?
supersechi: I'm downloading it
PeterL: Ok, now scoopbot will attempt to send all links here to archive.is, will also try to archive any links sent to it by PM
PeterL: (but it ignores log links)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-14#1541745 << i highly recommend these, Framedragger . nowadays i almost never leave my pit.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-14 13:50 Framedragger: http://i.imgur.com/2ZGTzLM.png mircea_popescu gently pushing all #trilema people to move to jobs where there is no such thing as nsfw. public service i guess
mircea_popescu: !!key <supersechi>
deedbot: No such key.
mircea_popescu: !!key supersechi
supersechi: You need the public key?
mircea_popescu: i have it already.
supersechi: What key do I have to put?
PeterL: http://archive.is/wHWGD << looks like scoopbot worked, now you do not have to worry about pastes expiring
mircea_popescu: well done PeterL
PeterL: ah, thanks
PeterL: http://reason.com/blog/2016/09/14/chipotle-with-an-assist-from-apple-will deliver burritos by drone << seems relevant to discussion from yesterday
PeterL: usg.aapl finding ways to drop "food" from the sky to feed the "people"
Framedragger: oblig triggered by burritos mention: the burrito tunnel! http://idlewords.com/2007/04/the_alameda_weehawken_burrito_tunnel.htm
a111: Logged on 2016-09-14 08:03 Framedragger: same AS as before iirc
asciilifeform: !#s 11324222908438140042288890647227129485796617615668366944270379995134245997725054322413715207208768748361669223089766795091689170791362790700011576013866019
a111: 4 results for "11324222908438140042288890647227129485796617615668366944270379995134245997725054322413715207208768748361669223089766795091689170791362790700011576013866019", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=11324222908438140042288890647227129485796617615668366944270379995134245997725054322413715207208768748361669223089766795091689170791362790700011576013866019
asciilifeform: they're new.
asciilifeform: same idiot topos box, yes.
asciilifeform: there are perhaps thousands of them.
asciilifeform: (see the 'birthday' thread)
Framedragger: asciilifeform: i meant autonomous system
thestringpuller: fuck the acquisition starts today
thestringpuller: FUCK YOU DELL
thestringpuller: dell acquired emc
thestringpuller: they are making some "announcement today" so i think stuff starts taking effect
Framedragger: i meant, these keys are from the same autonomous system as the ones just before. AS number 5650, "Frontier Communications of America, Inc."
trinque: thestringpuller going to get a visit from the bobs?
Framedragger: BUT i didn't check if it was actually the same AS number
asciilifeform: Framedragger: a well yes.
trinque: nice archiving PeterL
Framedragger: seems pertinent to point out, but clearly an acronym bot is in dire need!1
a111: Logged on 2016-09-06 21:41 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: https://ics-cert.us-cert.gov/advisories/ICSA-12-297-01 << ahahahahahahahaha
Framedragger: (actually my link is useless; http://bgp.he.net/AS5650 better)
asciilifeform: Framedragger: frontier is a gigantic isp in usa
Framedragger: (kako has a bot which announces additional info in #b-a, for those wondering)
asciilifeform: Framedragger: king and slave sit on it
Framedragger: ah! i didn't know it was large. i see..
asciilifeform: Framedragger: more interesting is that the entire /8 (and possibly /16) consists of those topos boxes.
Framedragger: fair 'nuff
Framedragger: asciilifeform: you mean, entire /16 and maybe even /8 ? (/0 is "all 2 ** 32")
asciilifeform: ah yes.
Framedragger: DO YOU EVEN CIDR
asciilifeform: for some reason these invert in my head
asciilifeform: just as left, right, up, down...
Framedragger: not exactly super intuitive notation
asciilifeform: 'the only intuitive notation is the tit' or how did it go.
mircea_popescu: that's notition.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-14: [13:25:01] <shinohai> ty mircea_popescu for botspec trilema
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160914/#192 << note that the spec doesn't mention a particular one, neither in log or on trilema.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-14: [13:34:05] <Framedragger> asciilifeform: agree re central point of failure; there should be a network of these archivers, too
asciilifeform: spec, as usual, 'is willing' while 'the flesh is weak'
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160914/#201 << hey, the WHOLE thing is enough to pay for one month of obama-and-friends-party.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-14: [13:37:03] <asciilifeform> 'German chemicals giant Bayer has confirmed its record-breaking $66bn takeover of GM seeds business Monsanto - a deal that would create the world's biggest seeds and pesticides company.'
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-14: [13:40:22] <trinque> servers all wearing white and failing to understand each other : poverty = stupidity. never was nor ever will be doing something wrong
asciilifeform: ^ example that is probably on your machine already.
trinque: mircea_popescu: I just fired up a python markov thing with my logs as input
mircea_popescu: yeah but im curious re his particular implementation
mircea_popescu: considering the average level of anglopshere literacy, i do not think one could distinguish markov from person text - provided of course you generate many lines and only let pass those who satisfy stringent grammar checks.
mircea_popescu: ie no misplaced dot etc.
mircea_popescu: all-smalls convention also helps immensely.
asciilifeform: a slightly clever mpbot would be guided by what is actually said to it (grep the from:mircea_popescu lines for words or even fragments of the query and return shannonization of immediately subsequent from: s)
mircea_popescu: context awareness, you could build a VERY impressive bot using large probability fields etc.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-14#1541745 << it's actually part of a larger thing - september, the international month of women discarded as garbage.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-14 13:50 Framedragger: http://i.imgur.com/2ZGTzLM.png mircea_popescu gently pushing all #trilema people to move to jobs where there is no such thing as nsfw. public service i guess
Framedragger: instead of cleverbot.com there could be mpbot.com where one could consult with synthesized mp dataset (trilema, irc) regarding financial investments and spanking techniques. markov model based on irc queries/replies could help with context awareness. #1bnvcideas
mircea_popescu: kickstarter!!1
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-14#1541569 << answerved. i also banned the youngin' with iptables and now node is back to scarfing blocks.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-14 03:13 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2016/09/13/check-out-this-piece-of-shit/#comment-50174
a111: Logged on 2016-09-14 03:17 mircea_popescu: trinque pete_dushenski : !!subscribe missing from your docs eh.
pete_dushenski: also, tb0t added to bots directory. perhaps mod6 can lemme know if everything appears to be in order there.
pete_dushenski: tb0t is currently using just '%' ftr
pete_dushenski: SINGLE CHARACTER HEATHEN
PeterL: pete_dushenski I think deedbot !!rated is wrong
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski move it as per teh spec.
PeterL: omiting the second nick gives rating from the person asking to nick1, not ratings from nick1
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: on it
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/the-human-latrine-pig/ << Trilema - The Human Latrine Pig
mircea_popescu: possibly the most outrageous thing ever to be penned by human hand.
pete_dushenski: mod6: tb0t's new call command is !%
pete_dushenski: PeterL: !!rated is actually correct. 'person asking' is 'operator'. though i can see how it might be ambiguous.
pete_dushenski: 'Omitting [nickname2] shows rating from operator to [nickname1]' << clarified ?
a111: Logged on 2016-09-14 15:40 deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/the-human-latrine-pig/ << Trilema - The Human Latrine Pig
mircea_popescu: hahaha you just say flow
PeterL: ^ yeah, I read that to be shows ratings nick1 made, I guess it is just the ambiguity of English
pete_dushenski: PeterL: all good. it's better now anyways.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: oughta link to the previous venus cloacina piece ('the menstruarium') imho.
Framedragger: shinohai (or whoever): btw are the recent bashes available somewhere? i ask because i want to use them for a quick something, i.e. a .txt would do
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform eh, that was jus' a footnote. feel free to put it in a comment if you wanna.
asciilifeform: also i dun get why everybody thinks this is asian and exotic, dear old europe had oubliette.
mircea_popescu: well we don't know anyone can supress gag enough to think ; but otherwise oubliette was on ceiling.
pete_dushenski: never forget
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: also how does the belladonna method work? is it different from the byzantine blindatron ?
asciilifeform: (which was good for 3 bulgars / minute or sumthing)
mircea_popescu: girls add atropine to enlarge their iris, because this is hot. after a while with this, they are blind.
mircea_popescu: sort-of like how other roman tech worked,
mircea_popescu: !~translate RO to EN "de cite ori ti-am spus eu draga mea ca vei ajunge sa porti parul alteia ?"
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: whenever I said honey I'll get to wear your hair like another?
Framedragger: like that theory about the fall of the roman empire due to lead poisoning due to lead being used *everywhere*
mircea_popescu: challenge to the scholars present, identify the verse.
pete_dushenski goes to add translation to jhvh1 ...
shinohai: Paris Green still killing the remnants around Victorian times.
mircea_popescu: you realise that the gossipd model with markov chains is probably the one source of the singularity
asciilifeform: eh by this token it already happened, with spambots on infected win98 boxen around orc world
asciilifeform: i have a collector that gets MB of these / day.
mircea_popescu: those lack proper feedback loops i tihnk.
asciilifeform: though i've never tried answering'em.
asciilifeform: perhaps they are interactive.
mircea_popescu: !~google akaname
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Akaname - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akaname>; Akaname | Yokai.com: <http://yokai.com/akaname/>; Akaname - Monster Girl Encyclopedia Wiki - Wikia: <http://monstergirlencyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Akaname>
Framedragger: [ ah. regarding link archiving - for anyone looking to do it in their bots - as regards archive.is, no need to POST with sekrit IDs etc - just GET http://archive.is/?url=your_url&run=1 ]
shinohai: i was doing `curl -v -i --data url=${text} http://archive.is/submit/`
pete_dushenski: in other lulz, jhvh1 prefers slovenian over slovakian (both have 'sl' two-letter translation code). also belarusian > bengali.
shinohai: i wonder if that could start a war
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: what happened to 'si' and 'sk' ?
PeterL: I added archive.is to the list scoopbot ignores, it seemed kinda silly to have it archiving the archiver
mod6: <+pete_dushenski> mod6: tb0t's new call command is !% << mircea_popescu speaking of this, I did get a chance to read that trilema lastnight - and I was wondering if I could reserve this mnemonic for tb0t. Is that agreeable??
mod6: (I can probably have the updates for this put in place in the next few days.)
shinohai: Shouldn't it be `!%^^^xxx?` instead?
mod6: hm?
mod6: %help
mod6: %h
mod6: i dunno wtf. i'll have to look at it later. anyway, i just wanted to reserve '!%' or whatever.
mod6: <+shinohai> Shouldn't it be `!%^^^xxx?` instead? << what do you mean by this?
mod6: or was joke?
shinohai: joke mod6
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i guess there's always that. looks like a full list of the codes is here, which is now on the directory as well : http://archive.is/iWEm2#selection-967.0-967.670
pete_dushenski: mod6: !% is all yours mate
pete_dushenski: https://digest.bps.org.uk/2016/09/12/its-now-possible-in-theory-to-predict-life-success-from-a-genetic-test-at-birth/ << still clinging to the notion that 'you can be anything you want to be if you just want it bad enough' and other such equalitarianisms ? (pseudo)science says : stuff it, hoser.
pete_dushenski: 'your mother isn't my mother' (tm)(r)
asciilifeform: ahahaha lel let's breed army of folks who are very, very, very good at sitting still for exams.
asciilifeform: (should find some fertile commercial ground in the great rice kingdoms.)
asciilifeform: where, i suspect, this lily needs no gilding at all, ~everybody already have the trait.
phf: people who can't clearly visualize a cause and effect graph trying to do science. dogen is laughing at them all the way from 13th century
asciilifeform: phf: their very careers are predicated on a very loose concept of cause and effect.
asciilifeform: *on having a
mircea_popescu: dogen eh ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160914/#373 << check it out, azns understand fucking. just yesterday i say "let's fuck" and the girl puts her palms on the floor, i'm like, no, let's pretend we're westerners, come to bed.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-14: [16:04:57] <asciilifeform> http://slappedham.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/shirime-326x245.png
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lel, that was in re the outhouse god
mircea_popescu: neverthebutt.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160914/#380 << not so silly, esp if you're using a different archiver.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-14: [16:22:33] <PeterL> I added archive.is to the list scoopbot ignores, it seemed kinda silly to have it archiving the archiver
PeterL: just realized I set scoopbot up to recognize http as links but not https, fixed that now
mircea_popescu: mod6 sure, we'll tell pete_dushenski that it's taken and to move the underline one.
mircea_popescu: o hey, the historical reenaction chick looks pretty hot. i dunno they actually had that french style balconette cut till french indochina, but neways
lobbes: Speaking of reserving prefixes, lobbesbot (while not here, but in #Eulora), uses !@. Should that be reserved across both channels?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there appears to be some legend related to 'human pig' that involved a large vase. but i was unable to turn up the details.
phf: lobbes: i suspect yes, since a111 got !#
mircea_popescu: lobbes i dun wanna allocate @ at all ; and i'm going to skip # as a first character also. how about you know !Q
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i thought that was more of a case of "drown, old man, drown" ?
lobbes: Euporium (jurov and Azelphur) is another bot that lives only in #Eulora. Also to take in consideration
PeterL: scoopbot is using !1 but does not have any useful functions yet (just passively archiving so far)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the vase in the illustrations (and i found several) is clearly designed to hold all-but-head, and of a hot chick
lobbes: Aight. I'll set lobbesbot to !Q
mircea_popescu: i dunno that they ~have to~ come here though. i mean, not that anything's keeping them, but botmaster's discretion.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski ^ plox to remove from list.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah but i thought the chick is lazy, won't cook or clean.
mircea_popescu: so they put her in vase (really, it's made out of porcelain on lead glue, much like stained glass) so she can be flower.
asciilifeform: this is a great story, and if the original wasn't this, it ought to have been!1111
pete_dushenski: done. '!W' next up.
mircea_popescu has a vague memory of ancient book for chitlins 30 years ago
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the beauty being that with some work, she COULD break free see.
mircea_popescu: but gotta do that work.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do you happen to recall thread where we found photos of folks who got 'amontilladoed' as late as 1920s in stone pillars somewhere in or near mongolia ?
asciilifeform: it was a favourite punishment in central asia also.
mircea_popescu: i do not ;/
mircea_popescu: was that woman dead in a wooden box, i recall.
pete_dushenski: phf: dogen! i have a collection of his on my shelf here.
asciilifeform: but i mean another.
mircea_popescu: "writ large". see alf ? the go "ai" is already taking over "science".
mircea_popescu: "hey, it won at go!"
asciilifeform: they built these stone pillars, a bit minus the man's height, and put'em in.
mircea_popescu: got to "explained 1 or 2% of the variance", clicked away. jesus christ these shiteaters.
mircea_popescu: relatedly, i trust everyone's seen the "infinite probability" guy, http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/bogdan-gulie.jpg
mircea_popescu wonders vaguely what'll happen once one of these karl zigglers (hey, they contribute to sales! everyone else - to costs!) sits still long enough to get to transfinite ordinals in his math textbook.
mircea_popescu: TRANSFINITE PROBABILITIES!!! BETTER THAN VODKA!
asciilifeform: we already know what happens - timecube
mircea_popescu: o i guess there is that.
phf: pete_dushenski: there's a lot of vague, mystical takes on dogen, but i think that most of the time he makes very straightforward points, like in the wild fox koan, he just says that everything is bound by cause and effect, and if you think you can have a magic talisman against it, you're going to suffer
trinque has the gateless gate, read it a couple times
trinque: I don't see any point for the whimsical obfuscation
pete_dushenski: phf: aha. and now you're inadvertently making me miss those times when i spent evening after cold winter evening in the depths of buddhist and hindu teachings
asciilifeform: eh this is sorta like that effect mircea_popescu wrote about where original is shitburied under megatonne of indistinguishable imitators and does not reward the effort of a dig
trinque: what, inventing words was forbidden, so they had to grunt and point ?
trinque: asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: (iirc this was in the tolkien thread, where we disagreed, but the basic effect is quite real)
asciilifeform: and so asciilifeform does not zen, does not dao, etc. and when he feels like crackpottery would rather read something at least vaguely consistent and interesting like kozyrev.
a111: Logged on 2015-04-18 02:49 trinque: Citizenfive | What I'm saying, if I'm saying *anything*, is that the words don't matter. << I used to think this; lately I consider it an autoimmune disorder caused by lifetime immersion in symbolic shit
mircea_popescu is vaguely irked by the whole "overthink your communication and only make it if it 'benefits' " as if that's somehow possible.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise whatever, it's 1k ad. guy's a notable thinker.
mircea_popescu: i mean, how's he to know that god damned submarines leave a trace, and certainly follow a path. the waterbirds, wut.
mircea_popescu: panties still on.
mircea_popescu: da fuck is wrong with this knickers fixation in contemporaneity!
phf: i think it's impressive how he manages to think his way out of nothingness. his baseline is basically 15 year old monks in training, who need to be taught not to shit on their hands, etc. knowledge transfer consists of dialogues about buddha teachings. it's very much the case of grinding lens by hand to study astrophysics
mircea_popescu: i can see this angle.
phf: there are some interviews with feynman where he's trying to explain how doing science is a constant game of catching yourself lying to yourself long before it becomes a question of "scientific community" etc.. dogen is coming from the opposite direction of learning to see things clearly as a goal, and a lot of his essays are descriptions of what he saw
mircea_popescu: did you read originals for any of this ?
phf: further obscurantism comes from people who don't see clearly, but in a markov chain thinking relay what they heard before "of course that's how it is, i heard it from joe, and it was tired then, what dogen is actually saying is this flowery shit i pulled out of my ass"
asciilifeform: phf: one of the reasons why this is so difficult to teach is that there are no heroes in it. even someone like deryagin, who was respected for renouncing his polywater thing and sinking own career, was really a case of 'ok i set this fire, and put it out'. but there are no heroes in 'ok i have no great invention, won't even bother saying to anyone, and will happily die in obscurity fixing shoes'
mircea_popescu: cincinnatus.
asciilifeform: (this in re feynman's comment)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha. these are thin on the ground.
mircea_popescu: well sure ; good strawberry also thin on ground.
asciilifeform: and are all folk who climbed on the pig and then climbed down.
asciilifeform: but folks who realize that they do not belong on the pig at all, do not become famous.
phf: mircea_popescu: i read nishijima translation, and the guy went out of his way to make it unreadable, but as precise as he could render. i can read japanese grammar, and nishijima's version comes with a lot of kanji annotations. i've checked some of his claims, and they check out as far as it goes.
mircea_popescu: fellow was simply not interested in pigs. ironically, belonged on it plenty.
mircea_popescu: phf i'm pretty much null on azn languages myself, and so there's always this exact problem, "oh, idiot brit made up all this shit"
phf: "theosopy"
phf: madam blavatski and her followers did a lot of damage for years to come. it was literally in her writing that original meaning doesn't matter, as long as the translation sounds cool (there's a rationalization for why that somehow supposed to make sense)
phf: and majority of azn/indian translations came from theosophists
mircea_popescu: and in other convenient coincidences, as per 문전본풀이 the goddess of kitchen and the goddess of outhouse had an argument, therefore koreans may not take things from kitchen to toilet or vice-versa.
phf: until mid 50s or so
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lel i was just reading about this.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but did not bother to mention subj because the only source i could find in english was pediwik
mircea_popescu: pretty good how it works out.
asciilifeform: phf: one day i would like to learn what i might have missed by setting the bozo bit on everything these people so much as sneezed on.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform we're going by "A Study on the Liminal Space of Jeju Traditional Housing by MunjonPonpuri" -Kim Hyoung-Jun.
mircea_popescu: and you missed out on lotta cunt. chicks dig this shit for some reason.
phf: "shobogenzo for people who hate all this shit"
mircea_popescu: dahui zonggao ? really ? musta been a riot in russia.
phf: there's a series of russian koan parodies from the 90s internet called "dao-kakao" which among other things made fun of chinese names like that
mircea_popescu: to add fuel to asciilifeform 's latent xenophobia, blavatschi was, of course, ukr.
asciilifeform: lel in same way as gogol.
mircea_popescu: oh incidentally, anyone recall who wrote that short text about the guy that sleeps and dreams that he is hidden behind a bush and by them goes a militsyan
mircea_popescu: then hidden behind militsyan...
mircea_popescu: a right. daniil harms.
mircea_popescu: !~tr ro to en "Kalughin a adormit si a visat - cica sade el intr-o tufa, iar pe linga tufa trece militianul. Kalughin s-a trezit, s-a sters la gura si a adormit din nou si a visat din nou, cica trece el pe linga tufa, iar in tufa s-a ascuns si sta militianul"
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Error: "tr" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: fine! be thatway!
mircea_popescu: o yeah, "a cazut o babuta"
mircea_popescu: i knew these ~by heart as a kid.
mircea_popescu: anyway. what's dogen got to say to this fellow ; entirely disinterested in "utility" as he finds himself ?
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/QOid3 << in other noose, apparently our old 'friend' is still in business
asciilifeform: 'Someone Is Learning How to Take Down the Internet' (schneier).
asciilifeform: KOMMUNISTS ARE POLLUTING our precious BODILY FLUIDS!111111
phf: i kind of want to believe that dogen wasn't a bore, nor a stickler, but otherwise their goals are unrelated to each other.
trinque: asciilifeform: saw that yesterday; angles for "only NSA can save us" doesn't it?
asciilifeform: trinque: these folks get painfully old don't they.
asciilifeform: !!up mihi
deedbot: mihi voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: 'Recently, some of the major companies that provide the basic infrastructure that makes the Internet work have seen an increase in DDoS attacks against them.' << taking this at face value would mean what ? how does one ddos a backbone router ? or lemme guess, he paints dns as 'essential infrastructure'.
trinque: whole thing is "the internet can never change and we are helpless"
mircea_popescu: phf goals ?
phf: i walked right into that one
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/qkkBF << in other u.s. hangout soup.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lulzily, whole piece is pretty much just a c/p job of http://trilema.com/2013/boys-and-girls-i-got-news-were-being-probed/ !!1
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: looks like.
mod6: <+pete_dushenski> mod6: !% is all yours mate << ok sounds good. will make the needed changes asap.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 sure, we'll tell pete_dushenski that it's taken and to move the underline one. << thx!
pete_dushenski: mod6: cool. unrelatedly, why do you c/p whole text line instead of using a log link ? fwiw it's tough to read.
phf: fwiw that approach is gossip-proof, there was a thread in logs, that there's not really such a thing as "log" in gossip model, and the conclusion was that logging will need to be reexamined. inline quoting though remains
pete_dushenski: that i can totally see. but until such time... i mean, it's not as if inline quoting is a skill that needs to be kept sharp.
asciilifeform: it is quite untrue that logging is impossible in a gossipnet
asciilifeform: anyone who wants, can choose to publish his particular log.
asciilifeform: (and link to it, etc.)
asciilifeform: it simply will not necessarily line up with anyone else's.
mod6: <+pete_dushenski> mod6: cool. unrelatedly, why do you c/p whole text line instead of using a log link ? fwiw it's tough to read. << i'm old school. and trying to flip-flop between screens is hard for me.
phf: in the old definition of log, i.e. illuminated scroll "thus spoke saint alf"
asciilifeform: phf: there never really were any other kinds of log.
mod6: I find the quoting via web-logs cumbersome, personally. The only saving grace is when a bot parses the line, the spits out that line, and maybe the next subsequent line so I get some context instead of having to copy the log line referenced and drop it into a browser manually.
mod6: Well. Unless the line(s) referenced are say, more than a few days old, then for obvious reasons, it's handy.
mod6: But, while it's still in my scroll back...
mod6: Having pretty good luck testing the new makefiles vpatch.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/09/social-engineering-bests-self-describe-securitist/ << Qntra - Social Engineering Bests Self Describe Securitist
mircea_popescu: phf cuz logging as we use it atm is a centralized thing
phf: asciilifeform: we started with a single canonical log though, where kako's testimony was implicitly the word of tmsr. there was some anathem/"A Canticle for Leibowitz" jokes about it, the log files were deeded, etc. while working on btcbase i realized that there can be no canonical log without arbitration, i.e. because of netsplits, lost messages, out of order, clock skews you need a single authority to decide what ultimately goes into
phf: log. so at some point we were in "log according to btcbase" situation. with the recent move to multiple bots and more importantly multiple logs, we now have "log according to ..." model, which we can still though attempt to reconcile. once we move to gossip there can't even be a talk of single log. it's always "log according to whoever heard and relayed it" by design.
mircea_popescu: is a securitist someone sufferint from securitits ?
shinohai: prolly
shinohai: !~thanks
jhvh1: shinohai: Error: "thanks" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: "This is how hunger begins: the morning you wake, feeling lively, then begins the weakness, then begins the boredom. Then comes the loss of the power of quick reason, then comes the calmness. And then begins the horror."
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yes
pete_dushenski: https://www.instagram.com/p/BKO3Z-SDvue/ << $2bn view from nyc train station
pete_dushenski: sorry, make that $4bn. but that's just what happens do your usd when you build a mega-project over a decade. sorry for your qe.
trinque: arches are sexist
pete_dushenski: which is itself a theft of 'brezhnev's guitar' in riga.
pete_dushenski: wow that was two years ago
ben_vulpes: holy meat flaps batman
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/09/us-business-emigration-today-a-special-edition-bayer-roundup-xtend/ << Qntra - US Business Emigration Today! A Special Edition Bayer Roundup Xtend
BingoBoingo: !~bcstats
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 429852 | Current Difficulty: 2.2583287217945956E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 431423 | Next Difficulty In: 1571 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 3 hours, 15 minutes, and 5 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/09/btcxchange-ro-to-shutdown-again/ << Qntra - btcXchange.ro To Shutdown Again
mircea_popescu: hanbot so how many "help" pms did you receive yet ?
asciilifeform: !~later tell mod6 i sat down to play with trinque's bots for kicks, and with your vtron, and noticed that the latter does not like to be 'init'-ed twice for 2 separate projects in one local dir. is this intentional ? and i still have problem grasping why we have the 'init' thing...
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
mod6: huh?
mod6: oh.
mod6: yes, intentional, if you're gonna be doing two different projects in a dir, they need to have different vpatch directories.
mod6: asciilifeform: and lol, the point is well beyond taken that you don't approve of the 'init' function.
asciilifeform found a lul re much earlier thread; Doc Ophthalmol. 1992;81(1):133-44. 'The penalty of blinding during Byzantine times. Medical remarks.'
asciilifeform: no, interestingly, full version posted anywhere, but google 'books' has first ~half
hanbot: mircea_popescu lol i am blissfully unpestered
mod6: asciilifeform: anyway, don't mean to sound like a d. i think, lol, that I've come to the conclusion that I might have to make a special 'alf' version that is stripped down of all functionality that does any automatic fetching of source or seals.
mod6: perhaps, this would even be the first genesis version. and then maybe an immediate subsequent vpatch to reintroduce said functions for those who may want them. or not.
mod6: (and you and anyone who wants to would just use the genesis or something of that sort)
mod6: anyway, we've been on this merry-go-round before. it'll get resolved eventually perhaps.
mod6: let me know if you need any help with V.
BingoBoingo: http://gomerblog.com/2016/05/physical-exam-nervous-system/ << The important part of using a V is the same as in Lumbar puncture. You need to have a running start and have collected the bits to be Vitirfied into an executable
shinohai: the V is good for me
mod6: shinohai: it does get a bit more interesting when you have >1 projects in a local dir.
mod6: oh, no wonder tb0t was freaked out earlier. i hadn't updated it for deedbot's new control chars.
mod6: sorry, missed 2 places.
mod6: %!p trb 12
mod6: awe shit
mod6: !%p trb 12
tb0t: Project: trb, ID: 12, Type: F, Subject: Makefiles for building full orchastra, Antecedents: , Notes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-14#1502667
mod6: !%h
mod6: ok cool, it did msg me the help string.
mod6: !%pp
tb0t: Projects: UCI | t | trb | v
mod6: o7
adlai: !%h
adlai: it didn't respond to a request in PM
BingoBoingo: !~google reflex pliers
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Reflex Pliers - Gomerpedia: <http://gomerpedia.org/wiki/Reflex_Pliers>; Ideal 45 915 Kinetic Reflex Wire Stripper Electrician Tool ... - eBay: <http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ideal-45-915-Kinetic-Reflex-Wire-Stripper-Electrician-Tool-Stripping-Pliers-New-/141906646822>; Ideal 45 915 Kinetic Reflex Wire Stripper Electrician Tool ... - eBay: (1 more message)
mod6: adali: thanks for trying to test, but you don't have L1 trust with deedbot
mod6: so that's why it didn't respond.
phf: bayer is buying/bought monsanto, http://www.bbc.com/news/business-37361556
phf: ah
phf: i just reinstalled everything, so no rss reader at the moment. missed recent qntra
BingoBoingo: It happens
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why are you holding two separate projects in the same one dir ?
mod6: !%h
mircea_popescu: from the spammer's almanac : "For more information about traveling, go to http:travel"
mircea_popescu: mod6 and then everyone will build on the later version, leaving alf version stranded.
mircea_popescu: let the guy maintain his own flavour, what.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-15#1542133 << they were trinque's logbot and the base lib it was built on.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-15 02:20 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why are you holding two separate projects in the same one dir ?
mircea_popescu: they should be merged.
mircea_popescu: do not alter the bubble level! alter the surface!
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-15#1542102 << this would not be a good use of anyone's time, i have my own vtron
a111: Logged on 2016-09-15 01:21 mod6: asciilifeform: anyway, don't mean to sound like a d. i think, lol, that I've come to the conclusion that I might have to make a special 'alf' version that is stripped down of all functionality that does any automatic fetching of source or seals.
asciilifeform: my point was that the init thing is a set of reins on airplane.
phf: what does init do?
mircea_popescu: well... your re-point, at any rate.
asciilifeform: and yes i can wget -m ... trinque's 'v' dir, etc.
asciilifeform: but i say that 'let's pretend v is git' leads nowhere good.
asciilifeform: phf: it tries to be git, svn, etc. loads project from www.
phf: ah
asciilifeform: 'automatically'
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that's one deeply incompetent nurse.
mircea_popescu: "i have this here certificate ; i expect salary ; what do you mean there's work to do ? ewww!"
mircea_popescu is betting argentina national.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: AHA, linked for the obvs reason that cowsie nurses are creating their own "watermelon field" future!
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 and then everyone will build on the later version, leaving alf version stranded. << indeed. fair enough
phf: i think mod6's v is trying to solve bootstrapping problem, by pretending like it's not one. you have to have v tools, and you also have to have your ~/wot. those are created organically, at which point picking up a tar.gz of vpatches or picking them manually is a nobrainer. but if you're a trb newb, you want all three at the same time, which seems like a subversion of v design. why not just have a v starter kit? you unpack it, you have
phf: a hand curated set of wot, v tools and patches
mod6: <+asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-15#1542102 << this would not be a good use of anyone's time, i have my own vtron << ok then. no.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-15 01:21 mod6: asciilifeform: anyway, don't mean to sound like a d. i think, lol, that I've come to the conclusion that I might have to make a special 'alf' version that is stripped down of all functionality that does any automatic fetching of source or seals.
mircea_popescu: quite so.
mod6: *np
mircea_popescu: very useful for entryway as it is. the monk is welcome to purify his learning after.
mod6: so, it turns out, in practice, that it very much is not so.
asciilifeform: well trinque is no n00b but his (very useful!) pieces pre-suppose the init thing
mod6: it is actually difficult for individuals who are new to this, to figure out the entire thing. and concepts.
asciilifeform: hence why i even tried it
asciilifeform: mod6: laugh, but yes, the thing melted in my hands
asciilifeform: (i had nfi re the 'must make dir' thing)
mod6: and im stuck between trying to making getting trb up and going for people, in a "one-trigger-pull", and an organic vtron garden.
mod6: asciilifeform: what do you mean, melted in my hands?
mircea_popescu: the fact that you tried to build a badly packaged project (spurious split in two) has ~nothing to do with mod6 's bootstrapping tie-in.
mircea_popescu: again : do not fix the level. fix the god damned wall.
mod6: did you bother to read the extensive documentation that i wrote?
asciilifeform: mod6: i did, in the end.
mod6: and then, you understood how to do such a thing, even if, ill advised?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how's the split spurious? there are multiple bots, based on trinque's core set of routines
mircea_popescu: "they were trinque's logbot and the base lib it was built on" << this is what you said. it is different from what you are saying now.
asciilifeform: eh mircea_popescu go and read it. it's two dozem or what lines.
asciilifeform: rather than my attempt to summarize.
mircea_popescu: just make every project be one single project.
phf: the patches in question, http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=bot . i actually have no idea how they overlap if at all.
mircea_popescu: because that's the fucking point : for a project to be one project. not two.
mircea_popescu: that's the thing that has to fucking die, "libraries" in the linux sense of the term.
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as a "library" ; and there is no such thing as "code reuse". put everything in a directory and build it.
mircea_popescu: once. altogether.
phf: asciilifeform: i remember when i was talking about asdf, you were saying that the problem has been solved by v. in this case the split exists explicitly because logbot/ircbot are mutually dependant by asdf, but no in any v way
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and when he finds bug, 10,000,001 cut'n'pasted instances of his routine must be found and patched ?
mircea_popescu: they are not mutually dependent on one thing. logbot depends on asdf-logbot ; ircbot depends on asdf-ircbot. these MAY be identical, but the fact that they are identical is a people-knowledge, not a machine knowledge.
mircea_popescu: create two copies of this "asdf" platonic solid, place them appropriately, they will be distinct items. and proceed.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform when he finds a bug he goes and hangs himself.
mircea_popescu: stop coding for bugs, and stop wearing condoms to your babysitting jig.
asciilifeform: when we all seppuku, realize, mircea_popescu will have to take gloves off and program by himself..
mircea_popescu: just stop coding for bugs.
phf: dijkstra could do it, why not you
asciilifeform: i had a great b00k as a kid, where the headsman ends up having to chop own head. i wonder if phf or mircea_popescu remember what it was.
mircea_popescu: check him out, adept of fits in head, worried about not being able to find the broken code HE SHOULDNT HAVE HAD. pshhh
mircea_popescu: phf it'd better be you ; you're younger.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as it is i sit on a raft, all day, every day, in ocean of 'things we really shouldn't have to have had'
asciilifeform: and row the raft.
mircea_popescu: libraries ; the modern coder's excuse for not reading code. "it's a LIBRARY!!11!!! dude. you don't read that!"
asciilifeform: well no, i read it. but once, and not every time some joker switches the tabs to spaces and pastes etc.
mircea_popescu: this is not a problem in the constraints presented. "create two copies of this "asdf" platonic solid, place them appropriately, they will be distinct items. and proceed."
mircea_popescu: you keep the thing you read, and paste it where you need it.
mircea_popescu: if someone comes up with a way to sort in linear time, you a) READ his way b) UNDERSTAND his way and c) IMPLEMENT it. yourself. that's the golden measure. and ideally you come up with what he came up verbatim. or else you have a discussion on the table!
asciilifeform: so long as it lives in separate file that is recognizably same every time it is used, i can't think of any reason to disagree
mircea_popescu: which is what i mean : take that library apart, merge it into the bot, be happy, it'll be one project as god intended.
asciilifeform: ah then yes.
asciilifeform: anyway this is a request for trinque .
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: also looks like it uses some irc lib
asciilifeform: should also live inside ?
mircea_popescu: errything.
asciilifeform: and sbcl ?
mircea_popescu: eeeeerything
asciilifeform: and it wants a gcc when you first build it
asciilifeform: reader of logbot should begin by reading gcc?
mircea_popescu: you know i'm right ; impracticality aside.
mircea_popescu: do as much as practical ; and more tomorrow.
asciilifeform: or perhaps x86 ref manual...
mircea_popescu: anyway, blessfully there exists this magic librarizing where "kernel" is split from "userland". which can be the border for a while.
asciilifeform: in practice the semantic boundry is fictional.
asciilifeform: as most readers know.
phf: (asciilifeform: have you tried reading bordeaux-threads that cl-irc depends on? that thing is nasty. kind of defeats the whole "here's a clean irc bot vpatch" if you're pulling dodgy, constantly changing dependencies)
asciilifeform: i can piss bits b/w processes, and , in most actual instances, 'privesc' entirely and do whatever.
asciilifeform: phf: how does it 'constantly change' ?
asciilifeform: i dun think i changed mine since... 2009?
mod6: asciilifeform: examine this for a minute: http://dpaste.com/1PZHHA8.txt
asciilifeform: mod6: aha?
mod6: aha
asciilifeform: mod6: i'm thick. point finger to the important bit plox
phf: bordeaux-threads? it's being updated, last commit is june 25, 2016. main problem though is that you never know when it's going to get the cffi treatment, or slime treatment, etc.
asciilifeform: phf: tell me what means 'being updated'
mircea_popescu: if you keep it at home that when is never
asciilifeform: i dun load the updates
asciilifeform: so it can be updated on venus for all i care
asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu nailed it
mod6: is this not what you're trying to do? one parent dir, two child 'patches' dirs ('trb' and 'ircbot'), each with respective seal dirs ('.trb-seals' and '.ircbot-seals') both being able to be used ~fine~ with v.pl (v99995)
mircea_popescu: and since you wash what you bring home, esp prior to use, well...
asciilifeform: mod6: i tried to init twice
asciilifeform: mod6: second aborted
asciilifeform: and produced no patches
asciilifeform: mod6: i simply followed trinque's recipes verbatim, one after the other.
mod6: so this is what you ran into?
mod6: it does that on purpose.
asciilifeform: but with ~different~ project the second time
mod6: if you want to ~re-sync~, you need to use: 'sa', 'se', 'ss', or 'sv'
mod6: see './v.pl h'
mod6: ok sec
mod6: so here's my using 'init' to sync trb, and trinque's ircbot, then using both. trb with the default 'patches' and '.seals' and ircbot with the non-default: http://dpaste.com/2EFW6G4.txt
asciilifeform: ah looks like you gave it explicit destinations
asciilifeform: this was not in trinque's cookbook.
mod6: ah.
mircea_popescu: <mod6> did you bother to read the extensive documentation that i wrote? <
mod6: i've never even seen his cookbook, but perhaps his doesn't have more than one project in a dir. but indeed, ya, you can do that. even if 'tis ill advised.
asciilifeform: anyway this is not a bug report for mod6
phf: asciilifeform: being updated in a sense that we can't have a meaningful v conversation, since your b-t is from 2009, mine is from 2011 and trinque's is from 2016 most likely. all logbot has is a pointer to "cl-log". for all i know tomorrow's version of cl-log is not even going to have b-t in ir
phf: *it
asciilifeform: phf: there is 1 and only 1! pill that cures .
asciilifeform: as mircea_popescu noted.
phf: word
mod6: <+asciilifeform> anyway this is not a bug report for mod6 << no worries either way. more than anything, I want to help you use it successfully. :]
asciilifeform: ty mod6
mod6: btw: is this trinque's cookbook then? http://trinque.org/2016/08/10/ircbot-genesis/
asciilifeform: it + the other page
mod6: ok, yah. his thing basically figures that you make a new dir and so-forth
mod6: no worries, glad it's resolved.
shinohai: !!up judywatson
deedbot: judywatson voiced for 30 minutes.
phf: you better wise up, janet weiss
shinohai: ya salio
phf: che cosa
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