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BingoBoingo disappointed danielpbarron was not congratulated by pete
mod6: lol, totally thought it was about dpb too
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/the-story-of-elliot-rodger-by-elliot-rodger-adnotated-part-nine/ << Trilema - The Story of Elliot Rodger. By Elliot Rodger. Adnotated. Part Nine.
BingoBoingo: Aha, yeah. Everyone knows that a transmission is necessary for a functioning moral psychology to develop from engine.
mircea_popescu: lol. i'm off to bed. discussions tomorro!
BingoBoingo: "Imagine if he actually had sex, somehow, and thereby discovered that most young girls could comfortably fit his sex as well as a friend's. It wouldn't even be stretching. Then what!" << Then she demands his whole hand inside her and he hecomes Eliot Slippyfist, and James lives happily ever after.
Framedragger: and (seems so far) zero comments about subject matter "studied" at "college"
Framedragger: really, dafuq.
Framedragger: oh btw, saturday night while walking around town (vilnius) with two other peeps i stumbled into a scene:
Framedragger: kinda scrawny guy running not far from us, a cop chasing him from a distance. guy turns a corner, then suddenly stops, turns around, throws his hands in the air, and maybe thrice shouts clearly: "i'm sorry", "i yield". we wait.
Framedragger: cop arrives, shouts something like (i think) "where's the watch?!!", there's maybe half a sec of a pause (guy's arms still in the air), then the guy is thrown onto the ground, cop takes out a device and tazes the fella who in turn bellows in pain. i start filming (but all too late as it is with these things).
Framedragger: cop then asks for "reinforcement", we wait, another cop arrives, and they take the guy away, in handcuffs.
Framedragger: we consider, then put a can of beer left in the bag somewhere in a corner just in case, and proceed to the police station to file a complaint because why the fuck not.
Framedragger: arrive at small station which is nearby. a kind of kusturica scene unfolds: the victim of the robbery - or a friend of the victim, it was not ever clear as there was too much shouting and the guy was drunk - sits at a desk. three cops in the room.
Framedragger: three of us enter and my friend asks the cop behind the counter whether it would be possible to get a complaint form and file a complaint regarding police behaviour / misuse of force.
Framedragger: the cops react slowly and uncertainly; not so with the poor fella sitting and obviously overhearing. "dudes! you what - what the fuck now. i was *attacked*! five hundred euro watch! [something, etc.] and you want to *defend* this guy??"
Framedragger: no we don't, this is a separate matter, [interjections with drunken shouts], the guy was arrested after all [interjections], the arrest was improper, etc.
Framedragger: meanwhile the most senior cop is chatting with my friend who has trouble discerning words due to said shouting. at one point i hear "wasting our time" (of course). the youngest of the three cops there comes to us, says "men, thank you very much for your help", and kinda extends hands to push us away (but no physical contact).
Framedragger: my friend continues to chat with the senior cop calmly. said cop asks "so did the guy really not resist [as in, maybe he did resist a bit]" - "no he really did not resist". ok.
Framedragger: i recognize the middle of the three cops there who is (of course) the dude who did the tazing. he tells the shouting poor fella to calm down and that "they will change their mind when this happens to them". then grunts something and is dissatisfied obviously.
Framedragger: meanwhile the fella in question starts saying "he was too *tame*", and (sic) "in soviet times the guy would have had it so much worse!!" (with glee, etc.) (i don't know, this is kinda kusturica-like to me)
Framedragger: the fella then approaches us (and my friend in particular who is insisting on raising a complaint with the other cop), half a metre now maybe, and says "you take your watch off", "what are you thinking defending him", etc. the cops slowly react by gently pulling the fella away. not without a pause first
Framedragger: finally the senior cop says that there is a procedure but ideally it should be raised with a neutral policeperson and he'd be "biased" here. he says this can be done online (and it indeed can). after some more back and fourth and with the fella still full of angst we decide to file the thing online and bid goodbye.
Framedragger: ;;later tell phf you may consider https://www.scaleway.com/pricing/ instead of digitalocean, or at least give it a try as one of them "bot mirrors" that you'd mentioned. there "BareMetal" (didn't try) and VPS (down below - works as advertised, no formal benchmarks tho). cheap.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Framedragger: (they're part of online.net, their peering is decent (though i've not used them much) http://map.online.net/ )
mircea_popescu waves at Framedragger
mircea_popescu: GET A BLOG, sinner.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i think i'm finally... about to... get the point ://
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, the story of poor covertress is something else. so the woman comes here to you know, interact with the republic on her own terms. because she's a woman and a person ("an officer and a gentleman"!) and therefore may even have her own terms. everyone may! what's this, rape ?
mircea_popescu: then the republic proceeds to tell her the future. just like that, nude. but she's too busy keeping up the pretense of existence to notice this. besides, who's ready to interact with such ontologic monstrosities ? really, immediate access to fate, this is a thing ?!
mircea_popescu: then her future comes to pass. and she's still too busy with the pretense to notice. because the one thing usianism does is give people something to be busy with. it's not particularly effectual at the direct effect, you know, doing something for them. but it is damned effective at KEEPING THEM BUSY so they don't notice. which is... just as good ?
mircea_popescu: they're not, technically speaking, other lulz, but aaaaanyway.
shinohai: señor popescu is lulzy on blogotron
Framedragger: she does seem insist on some form of deliberate unconciousness huh. the words of the people telling her things just kinda wash away
Framedragger: this particular type of lack of self awareness in a broader context of "where am i" really ties well with the elliott dude, i dunno, some kind of deeper similarity imo
Framedragger: s/insist/to insist/ && s/unconciousness/unconsciousness/ i hate typos
mircea_popescu: Framedragger there's really very little optionality involved. everyone has to approach everything on their own terms ~because that's all they have~. only god and anthropologists can approach things on THEIR own terms.
mircea_popescu: take the general "entrepreneur", take paul biggar as a much better example. the kid is definitely intelligent. he wants to be an entrepreneur. which is a word, which has a meaning. he proceeds to usianize. this FAILS TO DELIVER, but a decade later he is STILL doing it. and apparently hasn't noticed ANYTHING about any of this. why not ?
Framedragger: false belief in existence of optionality of how to approach things "on my own terms", i guess you could say?
Framedragger: (in unrelated lol, a remittance solution / bank transfer service just emailed me with the words "Yeah! We’ve just sent your money!" in the subject line. i dunno, something about the tone resembling "fuck yah bro i just finished the vodka!!" doesn't inspire confidence)
mircea_popescu: it's more than that. it's also a lengthy list of "technology". it goes like this : "to make the earth banana shaped, buy this and bury it in the desert. then the next full moon measure the parallax of neptune with this tool. then depending on that paralax go into any of these states...." and then there's an endless list of further instructions.
mircea_popescu: basically they can keep busy forever and never notice they're not doing anyting.
mircea_popescu: the usg invented the non-halting program.
Framedragger: heh! usg is undecidable. and keeps giving its people tools to try more things
mircea_popescu: and i can try to breach it any way i want. trilema is full of it. there's a "oh, you'e in online marketing ? here's how i got millions of ''clicks'' worth whatever you pay for them, free". mayn't notice. "can't say nigger ? here." mayn't!!11 "oh you think so and so about education/rape/whatever ?" MAYNT!!111
mircea_popescu: there's at least two dozen articles on trilema of which any single one would be sufficient to end the world as it is among a thinking set.
mircea_popescu: i have no idea how one can seriously bayesianize after http://trilema.com/2016/multivariate-calculus-for-experts/ for instance.
Framedragger: trilema as tool to cause epilepsy in dogmatized "free democratic" people does seem to be a thing, hm
mircea_popescu: BUT! the dissonance field is strong. safely keeps each egg slowly rotting by itself in its own wrapper.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger watch that not one single luminary of the "modern democracy" derpage is going to engage the elliot story. there's at least a million of these "officer & gentleman" idiots who think themselves intellectuals and with something relevant to say, and you know, understanding of nature and society.
mircea_popescu: but all that is predicated on never actually engaging the real problems, of course.
mircea_popescu: ah da fuck, log is dead ?
shinohai: bwahahahaha
mircea_popescu: so how am i going to read it and reference things now.
shinohai jhvh1 lurks
mircea_popescu: phf is out of the fucking band.
mircea_popescu: shinohai you got it to !~ yet ?
shinohai: no i decided to vacation too. mine bitched too much
shinohai: lobbes wins on that count
mircea_popescu: Framedragger did you have a working log thing ?
trinque: before we go reimplementing bots the rest of our lives, remember that I published one that logs
Framedragger: everyone's on fuckin vacation it seems
trinque: writing $seen for it is trivial.
mircea_popescu: i'm gonna have to fucking change all my references on trilema AGAIN ? what the fuck already.
trinque: I'd prefer just feeding phf logs in some manner
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i have the web side of things, more or less, though it *was* a quick hack. http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/today ; you can select ranges, too, like http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160829/from:15/to:26#15
mircea_popescu: no dude no more of these quick hacks sorta-kinda-i'm not really involved bs.
Framedragger: yeah giving phf logs from multiple places and having a mechanism for this would be nice
mircea_popescu: wtf is wrong with you people.
Framedragger: hey i wrote this for myself for when phf is out in his desert ;)
mircea_popescu: naturam expellas v, tamen usque recurret.
mircea_popescu: it is the nature of the boy "interested in computers" to no do anything useful with his hands, what.
shinohai: pogotron is capable of hosting bot + serv logs
trinque: I did not take this on because phf volunteered his thing.
mircea_popescu: are you aware that this inane behaviour is why everything you don't like about the world ? this is why you don't get the same tax breaks as actual professionals. this is why the entire field is dominated by "management" that pisses on your heads. this is ALL OF IT, here. right fucking here.
mircea_popescu: "oh i can't commit because what if i did!"
mircea_popescu: trinque can ye get a www log thing that actually works ?
trinque: yup.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: did you try mine though? the web side of thing. it *does* work, fwiw
mircea_popescu: please do. i'd like to read Framedragger novella.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger i won't try yours, because i just said i'm not interested in this "it works, no promises though" approach to anything. it's not a way to live. i'm not committing downstream to your napkin doodle.
Framedragger: god damn it. i shouldn't have said "hack". should have said "elegant in its simplicity". 'cause it's simple. and i do fix bug reports. o well
Framedragger: antiadvertised myself
mircea_popescu: the point is, do you have any self-respect or don't you ?
Framedragger: sure i do.
mircea_popescu: alright, then i'ma inhibit trinque for the i dunno, fifth time and give your thing a try.
mircea_popescu admires trinque for his mental resiliency.
Framedragger: look, it sounds like an excuse, but i assumed that phf's btcbase will remain the canonical viewer. making extended effort at redundancy *is* sometimes inefficient, even if educational.
mircea_popescu: i assumed so, but i've had it with this "oh, you can't process the logs when you have time to process the logs because logviewer software is made by argentina."
Framedragger: fair enough.
trinque: Framedragger: what are you using to feed it?
Framedragger: trinque: znc (znc's logs)
Framedragger: super simple. no db
Framedragger: works, tho
mircea_popescu: and if you lose connection ?
Framedragger: znc autoreconnects. empirically tested
mircea_popescu: god damned it, now i'm gonna have to fish out old logs for a yet another time ? grrr.
trinque: I propose we get a domain going elsewhere which we cname to whichever current log viewer.
trinque: logs.trilema.com ?
Framedragger: but if people decide to actually use it then i should implement "previous day browser / buttons" asap because the current (choose from list of days) thing is really too simplistic.
mircea_popescu: heh. yeah, see ? exactly what i said above : this is why management pisses on heads etc. because the only solution to unreliable knaves is centralism.
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> god damned it, now i'm gonna have to fish out old logs for a yet another time ? grrr. << the cure is that infrastructural items oughta be published.
mircea_popescu: trinque published.
asciilifeform: incl. old logz balls, viewer, etc.
asciilifeform: trinque had the right idea all along.
Framedragger: would be nice. talking of it, makes sense to put more CNAMEs under .trilema.com.
mircea_popescu: the curse is that "software boys" dun like to read.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger it makes absolutely no fucking sense whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: if i was going to play with little plastic figurines i'd buy those!
Framedragger: well, just as an alias system, no implied centralization?
trinque admits the knaves growing up is the better case
mircea_popescu: Framedragger the universal problem with the alias system is that no two identical things exist in this world.
asciilifeform: if phf had published his thing, it ~might~ suddenly be conceivable that his eternal bug would be fixed. and at any rate a spare bot could be fired up on short notice.
trinque: at any rate, I'm going to dedicate my time to peeling the wot mechanics into their own lisp system, such that I can publish that next, rather than log viewer. that is, provided Framedragger delivers.
mircea_popescu: trinque sounds like a plan.
Framedragger: okok, enough with the not-committing shit. i agree, and apologize for getting on people's nerves, possibly. i will extend the thing's features. complaints and requests welcome
mircea_popescu: Framedragger does your url system follow the same structure as present log ?
Framedragger: you mean permalinks to any given irc line? no. i don't know how phf's numbers work but can probably dig it out
mircea_popescu: god damned it. so really, aliasing won't fucking work here no matter what.
Framedragger: if it's a deterministic system and not based on some internal db id increment thing then it can and probably should be replicated.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger ok, don't bother, i'll just re-redo the fucking references. and you'll have to re-redo them in the log itself also. but that'll be it.
mircea_popescu: please make sure that this third is also last time.
Framedragger: alright.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: wait, you mean rewriting references to log lines in your (e.g.) blog? understand, i didn't retrospectively import *past* logs into the viewer yet. (but i will, now.)
mircea_popescu: yes that's what i mean. and yes.
mircea_popescu: i'm not doing it THIS INSTANT, you got a week or w/e
asciilifeform: how long is phf's vacation anyway
mircea_popescu: odds are he's gonna check in about an hour to vacation-ruining news. WHCH SHOULD BE A FUCKING LESSON TO ALL!!11
asciilifeform: perhaps this'll be enough to cure him of cmucl.
Framedragger: too many parentheses!!! (*ducks*)
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: should i then proceed to implement the bot-part of the logs, too? if phf's bot part can be reused, then that's great, too. i guess i can investigate
asciilifeform: cmucl is, as i now know, a stinking pile of shit, that pisses away the main upside of using common lisp in the first place: it reintroduces segfault
Framedragger: or if phf wants to handle that part, or w/e
trinque: god damned it
mircea_popescu: Framedragger which bot part ?
trinque: I FUCKING PUBLISHED A LOGGING BOT.
asciilifeform: he did ^
asciilifeform: publish a log bot!
mircea_popescu gives trinque more dakka
trinque: dude lets just be the fucking republic of irc bots
Framedragger: i mean, irc bot that *quotes* log lines.
trinque: no shit huh?
Framedragger: trinque: ah fuck, sorry, i'm used to my state explaining what there is in the world, i guess ://
trinque: ahaha
trinque: Framedragger: so if you take a look at that there logbot... new logs are shat into postgresql. lines to be spoken by bot are read from another table.
mircea_popescu: the most important point : and if you make changes to it, V THEM
mircea_popescu: and don't even fucking "oh i'll v them later". the whole point of v is to teach you how to code like a sane person.
trinque: right. in this case I challenge anyone to find a need for a second patch on those modules themselves, rather than creating a genesis vpatch for their own module which talks to the db in postgres.
trinque: idea is that wotbot functions have a genesis vpatch, google whatever, its own v tree, so on
trinque: they're completely decoupled
trinque: so unless I made a mistake in ircbot (maybe I did) it's *done*
trinque: logbot, idem
mircea_popescu: the strong, quiet type.
Framedragger: trinque: great, and that sounds like a very sane design.
Framedragger: just ftr / in truth, when i mentioned "implementing the bot part", i only meant implementing the particular "cite irc lines etc" functionality on top; because the rest is done. in particular, the best solution (before checking out trinque's) seems to be limnoria, which is an updated and maintained extension of supybot (which gribble uses).
Framedragger: limnoria is written in python. of course there is incentive for teh republic to use republic's own inventions, no doubt.
mircea_popescu: there... isn't.
trinque: there is no incentive for acting sanely here
Framedragger: trinque: thanks and will take a look
mircea_popescu: see line above re centralism.
Framedragger: i mean a simpler thing: if people here trust each others' code more, that's a good thing, and *all other things being equal* (crucial assumption), that code should be preferred. no?
mircea_popescu: but to the more general point, the system provides no incentives for acting sanely for any peculiar definition of sanity, and provides shocking, oversized downside for fucking up. this is exactly as it should be : sanity as an emergent behaviour out of defined limitations of the world. it is exactly opposite of how the empire tries to work, of course, and in the process turns everyone into a version of elliot.
Framedragger: cf. other open sores stuff maintained by open sores people in no-one's wot here.
trinque: no. trust because it's good code, then know who to blame for the good code
trinque: or conversely
trinque: and not trust then get your dick out and dive in blind
Framedragger: right, sure, of course.
Framedragger: aha, a different initial preference, and i see the danger in the converse - sure
mircea_popescu: trinque you're defactoing postgress as data interface ?
Framedragger: trinque: out of curiosity, have you tested how well ircbot reconnects to irc? i see there exists `ircbot-reconnect`. logbot itself only exports that symbol but does not seem to use it itself?
Framedragger: (aha, the reconnect method gets called in a separate ping thread, it seems)
trinque: mircea_popescu: for all my bot functions, yes. this is however why ircbot preceeds logbot. ircbot simply establishes and maintains connection, and one can attach to cl-irc hooks for whatever he wants.
Framedragger: very nice design, from first looks
trinque: Framedragger: when you deploy, disable the sbcl debugger and put it in runit, a process manager
Framedragger: (scratch that comment about logbot, it's not supposed to use it itself)
mircea_popescu: trinque i meant more as a philosophical point than necessarily in this implementation.
mircea_popescu: we will have to have a dxi standard anyway.;
trinque: yes, it's what I use for just about everything I build
asciilifeform: it's the 1 remaining working sqltron.
Framedragger: trinque: i'll test it, cool thanks.
mircea_popescu: let's call this a de-facto postgres-as-republic-data-exchange-interface rfc.
asciilifeform: it's postgres or 'let's now write our own db'
Framedragger: asciilifeform: seconding that. the devs seem to know what they do, too (postgres-hackers is a nice ML)
mircea_popescu: iirc it was vaguely discussed befoar.
trinque: asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform trilema uses mysql, of course. but i'm thinking migrating wp to postgres may actually be a good idea.
Framedragger: does wp *finally* postgres? last i used it i had to use mysql :/
Framedragger: *finally* support, meant
mircea_popescu: Framedragger there's a mp-wp ancient script thing shinohai was massaging.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: i use wp, and have never used mysql, and don't intend to.
Framedragger: ah! nice.
mircea_popescu: all software names should start with my
mircea_popescu: mycrosoft!
asciilifeform: hey, mykotronx.
Framedragger: god damn it. i wanted to check how limnoria does irc reconnect, and it starts out with a nice SupyReconnectingFactory(ReconnectingClientFactory, drivers.ServersMixin). which doesn't necessarily mean a bad thing, but is in sharp contrast to trinque's short code. lol.
asciilifeform: (they made crypto iron for usg, incl. the infamous 'clipper'. but i always picture a malodorous alien mushroom)
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160829/from:51/to:51#51 << o dude nice, so basically instead of a total index you do a day/and-index split so this way these log references will stay correct later too, once you import the past ? not bad.
trinque: Framedragger: cultural superiority.
trinque away for about an hour
mircea_popescu: Framedragger oh, you gotta make search box yes ?
Framedragger: ^ regarding quoting log, so btw would anyone *else* appreciate being able to link to *multiple* lines of irc at once? because i really wanted that. you can click on different timestamps to create ranges. http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160829/from:49/to:51#49
mircea_popescu: yeah it's not bad.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: yes, very much so, and yes it's just been added to todo list...
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "limp penis WITH collapsed"
Framedragger: trinque: thanks :) (i've battled with search in postgres and screwing around with indices etc - but will prolly end up asking for advice at some point, cause, you know, i'm young)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so japan is waking up to the realities of the current us posturers being wholly unrelated to truman, patton et all ?
mircea_popescu: oh, and in other "small peni are no im-pediment" news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m07wjcn72W1qjjcgyo1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: where'd you get the 'unrelated' ? or the 'now' ? linked items were quite vintage
asciilifeform: and anglo impudence - quite continuous for 200+ yrs
asciilifeform: or what am i missing.
mircea_popescu: as to first, i don't think anyone can seriously argue that present day us has anything to do with the historical item that won ww2. as to second, now is flexible, 5 years,
asciilifeform: where'd you get the 'waking up' ?
mircea_popescu: from who the pm was at the time, say.
asciilifeform: yes, they put up a statue to r. pal. but usg did a pretty good castration job on the land of the rising sun.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: "Here" being the good 'ol USG and it's tentacles. Isn't the pop culture start up nothing but pump and dump? Founder talks up a big idea. Gets lots of money for it. Pumps up the bubble as big as possible then exits and lets bagholders deal with "profitibility" etc. << http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-28#1530787
thestringpuller: they essentially live off the hype...
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: familiar with mircea_popescu's pill against pseudoscience ?
mircea_popescu: (also, amusingly enough, the judge wore a british garb, and the withdrawing delegate made a speech replete with angloisms. really, it is japan's purpose to "contribute to human welfare" ? as london defines it ? idiots.)
mircea_popescu: apparently the most expensive thing in this world is a brain.
mircea_popescu: $up fromphuctor
deedbot: fromphuctor voiced for 30 minutes.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-deal-with-pseudoscience/#selection-83.145-83.200 << "the proper approach is not to proscribe, but to ignore."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they all wore british garbs and studied british legal tradition etc. but as i understand, r. pal was secretly sane.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: correct.
thestringpuller: but you cannot deny pseudoscience can have ecological consequences...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no no, he was all corrupt, some kid looking like he fucks ostriches said so in some rag.
thestringpuller: like leaking radiation casket
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there was titanic butthurt later, when his verdict came out
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: 'off to the rector, we need to cement new sarcophagus' is quite separate item from 'oh noez looksy there are sc4mz0rz'
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160829/from:71/to:71#71 << i dunno that most teen girlies have the sense to ask for a fisting.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160829/from:75/to:75#75 << no, literally, he has absolutely nothing to do with any academic anything whatsoever. back when i was going to [high]school it was considered a waste of your time, fit only for the marginally retarded, to spend your time tickling the tits instead of paying attention in class.
mircea_popescu: yet this kid fails at the fail! he can't even do the thing you're not supposed to be doing because "it's easy, you'll do it later, got better things to do now"
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160829/from:76/to:88#76 << eh he's right. you gotta beat up thieves what.
mircea_popescu: i mean good for you for standing up to things and so on ; but in general seems the effort was misplaced. not like they killed the guy. there are two important strands :
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo "limp penis WITH collapsed" << fck ty fxd
mircea_popescu: one that submission ~shouldn't~ be encouraged. so what if he didn't resist ? fuck him. if you make a difference by "did he resist", the life lesson you teach thieves (ie, everyone poor, which is how this goes) is that submission is a valuable trait. then you get unfucked women and usg-style government.
mircea_popescu: the other is that it is the job of the police to distribute violence. if you don't let them beat up thieves, and cover them in red tape, they'll just get frustrated ; that frustration will keep boiling and boiling and eventually you'll end up with the us situation, which is to say no real cops (a cop is always and everywhere a BEAT cop! that's police work. naught else.) and a bunch of derps hoping to be SWAT. and again you ge
mircea_popescu: t usg-style government.
mircea_popescu: you want neither of these, presumably, so the right move'd have been to cheer the policeman, and insulate him from his boss/derpy kids. ie, what the drunken guy did.
mircea_popescu: the world is SO unfair, but often enough in practice experience unthinking beats naivite even should it be allied with all the wit in the world.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/08/slight-bump-in-bitcoin-network-difficulty/ << Qntra - Slight Bump In Bitcoin Network Difficulty
BingoBoingo: "Do those buildings even lift ? " << No
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: regarding first strand, no objection, in principle. that is, encouraging submission in itself my breed larger problems and usg-like structures. regarding latter, yeah i have a problem with cops as such. knowing that this will only solidify my "wannabe naive anarchist kid" image, i should point out that if we had a more responsible, (actually) individualist and conscious populace, there would be less need to defer violence
Framedragger: the drunk dude would have tried to swing back, and neighbours would have come to help, and punch the thief. i do of course realize (or so i think) the *vast* naivete of this kind of frame of mind, but note that this is possible in some specific communities which take a piss on "global awareness projectz" and just function on a (very) limited geographical scale.
Framedragger: besides, the cops as force decoupled from very shitty state != the cops as they currently exist. i don't trust the fucking state to manage them, and next time i write about how shit it is i don't want to expect a buncha these dudes to break in and "teach me a lesson in being putin spy by criticizing our great country".
mircea_popescu: the notion that "x precondition would make violence less relevant" is exactly equivalent to saying "if we had more pious women we'd have less need to defer to fucking"
mircea_popescu: dude, what ? it's not how it works!
mircea_popescu: moreover, the neighbours do not come to punch people in the street because they have work to do. raising a militia was expensive even in 1700. today it's very fucking expensive. hence the police, ie, standing militia.
mircea_popescu: and finally : your acts as described build towards that future. you HELPED the state gain larger control over the cops at that small preceinct. because now, whenever the state compes up with some dumb shit, the middle cop will be "we ain't gonna do this are we ?" and the older cop, thinking of you sad lot, will say "yeah we gotta, otherwise there'll be some ipad kids in here complaining".
mircea_popescu: generally, thinking back to the whole "giant sitting in chair" discussion of supermarkets - the state always and everywhere tries to drive a wedge between you and its instrument. specifically, it tries to leverage the scale issue (see http://trilema.com/2009/de-ce-nu-mi-place-capitalismul/#selection-49.0-49.163 ) : you are many and impredictible ; its instruments could kill it.
mircea_popescu: what the state always tries is to leverage the impredictability of you to befear its instruments. hence all the charade of "elections". they're not there for YOU to do anything. they're there because a) you're the sort of idiots who would think they're doing something when in fact you're brownian-motioning around and b) this sickening display strikes fear in the hearts of the pretorian guard. who could otherwise easily walk i
mircea_popescu: n and hang the lizards by their guts one day. which they know - from bitter experience, this has happened before.
mircea_popescu: therefore actual anarchism, in the sense of "anti-statism" is exactly not what you do (ie, act in the direction and on the rails the state provides to you for its own purposes), but exactly the opposite : insulate the instruments from the alleged power center.
mircea_popescu: the behaviour is universally called "corruption" in the state-owned press. because they loathe it. but whenever you close an economic circle with the tools of the state against or in spite of the state, you win. which is why i always bribe trafic cops, and don't even live in places where people generally don't.
mircea_popescu: those people are idiots.
mircea_popescu: what you';re stuck doing in those places is what happened to eg poor lawsky, and others : you are stuck proving to the tools that their state can't protect them. which is why the mexican cartels spent a while beheading "high ranking police officials".
mircea_popescu: or as alf put it, "discomfort the comfortable"
mircea_popescu: note that much like the elections, the bribes themselves are a null value : yeah the average american is too fucked up in the head to bribe traffic cops. yet both in america and in india, the same % of gdp travels as bribes for traffic cops. except in india it is personal ; whereas the us derps JUST TAKE YOUR CASH.
mircea_popescu: so : stop looking where the hand points, start looking at the hand's sleeves.
Framedragger: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160829/from:341/to:342#341 << that's of course a good point - using state's own tools to bring more power to the state *is* lame, and not optimal...
Framedragger: (gotta write that bot soon. which set of characters should trigger it btw, mircea_popescu ? shinohai uses / would use !~ as i see)
shinohai: gotta b sexy i guess
Framedragger: kk. bbl.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re 'corruption', see also http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-05#546880 .
mircea_popescu: Framedragger and have your friend read the log, presuming it's not just AFTNM. who knows, .lt anarchists get teh point afore others.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha. which is why "terorrism", ie, blowing them up is the only way. in elliot terms, "they brought it upon themselves".
asciilifeform: well, what does one do with folks who have no inclination to come to an understanding...
asciilifeform: 'we never surrender. banzai!1111' 'ok... why not'
mircea_popescu: the beatings will continue until morale improves.
mircea_popescu: that's exactly it.
BingoBoingo: "Well, technically, he might also be selling it to pay for the next keger where rando drunkards will act beligerently for no reason and generally lose their shit." << More probably it sits safely on the mantle of the party house as a trophy though the drunkards who keep it have no idea how much trophy it is
mircea_popescu: answert.
BingoBoingo: "We somehow weren't reading the same text or somesuch, I don't seem to recall any bullying going on at Taft. Elliot is hereby docked one bullying claim." << Similarly he referred to his ass kicking as bullying when it was merely the result of little bitch drinking above his station.
mircea_popescu: he got the "rape" game down pat, does he ?
mircea_popescu: kid's a perfect libtard.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: your old dwarf capo notwithstanding, the race is generally to the swift.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Seriously. If he had any potential as a drunk he would have initiated aggression by pissing on people, places, and things
trinque: Framedragger ? trinque: thanks :) (i've battled with search in postgres and screwing around with indices etc - but will prolly end up asking for advice at some point, cause, you know, i'm young) << yes, do ask.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the romans studied this problem extensively. no, it's not. triarius rarely wins.
mircea_popescu: the physical world is capped for speed and counted for energy. which is why the race is always to the cheap.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo if he could show his wee wee to people he wouldn't have the problem in the first place.
BingoBoingo: That is a point.
BingoBoingo: I call it the point.
mircea_popescu: but did you coin any expressions.
asciilifeform: or INVENTION IDEAS!111
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform recall the fabled watch i invented as a 3yo ? iirc was in the log somwehre.
asciilifeform: which was this
mircea_popescu: you know, when i asked my mom if when you invent something, do you also explain how it'd be made ?
mircea_popescu: other than for that curl, i totally beat apple's watch by like 30 years.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> or INVENTION IDEAS!111 << An exhausted James tenderly holds Elliot's smell hand to his chest and tenderly babytalk to the appendage he calls Mr. Slippyfist. Elliot calls it the appendage.
mircea_popescu: this is going to result in fanfic is it.
BingoBoingo: Much fanfic.
mircea_popescu: ok, fine. hereby is announced a 1 BTC prize for the best fanfic published on the blog of someone with a gpg key deedbot knows about.
BingoBoingo: Fanfic will be the way to illustrate the log having been read.
mircea_popescu: deadline haloween.
BingoBoingo: NEWS!!!!!
mod6: i like it
asciilifeform: how it'd be made ? << 'triangular drills will drill all his square holes!' (tm) (r)
mircea_popescu: incidentally, i'm pretty impressed with the readership. seriously, 200k words over a week ? that's like five books.
mircea_popescu: $up thortron
deedbot: thortron voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: btw if mircea_popescu ever wants to do another 'hero' study, marvin heemeyer is every bit as interesting imho as joe stack.
mircea_popescu: so you do it!
asciilifeform: i do not, sadly, have mircea_popescu's entomological gifts.
asciilifeform: but i did recount the story in the l0gz at some point.
asciilifeform: heemeyer was the 'killdozer' genius.
mircea_popescu: how do you know this ?
asciilifeform: know which ?
mircea_popescu: the gifts part, obv.
asciilifeform: heemeyer demolished most of a small town, and pretty much everyone there knew why.
asciilifeform: 'can you play violin?' 'dunno, never tried!'
mircea_popescu: the question was "are you gifted for playing violin"
asciilifeform: 'Marvin Heemeyer was a professional welder living in the quiet Colorado town of Granby, just trying to make a living for himself running a small muffler repair shop. Unfortunately, he was also in the business of getting royally fucked over by everyone in town, ranging from the paperboy to the asshats in City Hall who wouldn't compromise with him on some crazy fucking wacky zoning issues he was trying to work out. Eventually, after
asciilifeform: years of petitions, appeals and negotiations that proved about as fruitful as smashing his face into a cinderblock, the bastards at the Granby Zoning Commission basically told Marv that he could go fuck himself gently with a chainsaw. They were going to build a concrete plant adjacent to Heemeyer's muffler shop, cut off his business' sewer line, slap him with a bunch of increasingly-massive fines, and ultimately run his ass out of t
asciilifeform: own on a fucking rail. But Marvin Heemeyer wasn't the sort of mewling pussy coward who was going to sit there and let a bunch of stuffed-suit bastards fuck him over like a little bitch. He was an insane badass motherfucker with an arc welder and a mad desire for vengeance at all costs, and he decided he wasn't going to take it anymore. Heemeyer paid his $2,500 fine to City Hall, scribbling the word "cowards" in the memo portion of
asciilifeform: the check. Then he bought a massive bulldozer...'
asciilifeform: i always found one particular detail interesting - usg had the thing cut apart into hundreds of pieces and scattered at scrapyards across the country.
asciilifeform: why - i have nfi. from some ritualistic slug-salt Ur-fear, i suppose.
mircea_popescu: maybe it was nuclear powered
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/08/mircea-popescue-announces-fanfic-contest-with-1-bitcoin-prize/ << Qntra - Mircea Popescue Announces Fanfic Contest With 1 Bitcoin Prize
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu sprouted a new letter in his name ?
mircea_popescu: i suspect it's ancient tardstalk joke
asciilifeform: gotta get to a doctor, get it looked at, because before long you might end up a mircea_popescuýëåêòðèôèêàöèÿ
mircea_popescu: mircea popescueggog
BingoBoingo: Fxd to remove ancient tardstalk joke from title
asciilifeform: бНОПНЯ ВХРЮК?
mircea_popescu: you're the fuckstisizer, motherfucker!
asciilifeform: http://marvin-heemeyer.com/en << apparently this exists.
asciilifeform: '"God built me for this job," Heemeyer said in the first recording made on April 13, 2004. He even said it was God's plan that he not be married or have family so that he could be in a position to carry out such an attack. "I think God will bless me to get the machine done, to drive it, to do the stuff that I have to do" he said. "God blessed me in advance for the task that I am about to undertake. It is my duty. God has asked me to
asciilifeform: do this. It's a cross that I am going to carry and I'm carrying it in God's name," he said. Heemeyer's actions were apparently a political statement. In the audio tapes, he states "Because of your anger, because of your malice, because of your hate, you would not work with me. I am going to sacrifice my life, my miserable future that you gave me, to show you that what you did is wrong".'
asciilifeform: and, more interestingly,
asciilifeform: 'Heemeyer took about a year and a half to prepare for his rampage. In notes found by investigators after the incident, Heemeyer wrote "It's interesting how I never got caught. This was a part-time project over a 1 1/2 year time period." In the notes, Heemeyer expressed surprise that three men who visited the shed last fall did not discover the bulldozer work, "especially with the 2,000 lb. lift fully exposed." "Somehow their vision w
asciilifeform: as clouded," he wrote.'
asciilifeform: moomoos have 0 imagination and ~0 ability to process unexpected input, turns out.
mircea_popescu: "At one point, the police put a gigantic piece of construction equipment out to block Heemeyer's path, but the Killdozer just fucking made that shit its bitch, tossing it aside and nearly flipping it on its back like a cheap hooker in the process." lol guy has at least one fan
asciilifeform: has thousands of fans.
asciilifeform: incl. much of the ru-speaking world.
mircea_popescu: i guess we're letting him walk once we levelled washington dc ?
asciilifeform: walk from grave ?
mircea_popescu: ah too late for him ?
asciilifeform: he ate a .357
asciilifeform: and it took police an entire day to get the carcass out of the tank.
mircea_popescu: ah look at that, thing died just like panthers did : dropped track.
asciilifeform: (heemeyer was a welder and Knew What He Was Doing)
asciilifeform: 'на поле танки грохотали...' (tm) (r)
asciilifeform: iirc they even tried gas, but the seals held up
asciilifeform: he even had redundant cameras for the viewport
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ah too late for him ? << Apparently too late for many of the cool folk
mircea_popescu: how it usually goes.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the only 'cool folk' among these i know to still remain alive is ol' ted kaczynski.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Likely because as math folk he knew to maximize hi cost to the enemy
asciilifeform: and after 20+ yrs of usg solitary, probably he eats own fungi now.
asciilifeform: and speaking of bulldozers,
asciilifeform: self-driving killdozer is a much simpler mathematical problem than self-driving passenger auto.
asciilifeform: it dun need to much care about traffic laws.
asciilifeform: just to find where the crunchable houses are.
mircea_popescu: the tracks are the problem.
asciilifeform: (not too tall to bury self in rubble, etc)
mircea_popescu: make proper titanium alloy tracks and assemblages, you got somethingf.
asciilifeform: the tracks are the problem. which is why to unleast 100 of'em.
asciilifeform: *unleash
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform proper approach is to drive at speed (well, track speed, 30mph or such) through column supports.
mircea_popescu: building falls behind and after you left.
mircea_popescu: also on head of anyone following, and blocking their access.
mircea_popescu: in any case, as soviets found out in ww2 right after the germans found out in ww2, the modern town is a nightmare battlefield.
mircea_popescu: the military equivalent of falling through a glass pane. it'll fuck you up.
asciilifeform: it is not accidental that usg, much as ss previously, is obsessed with subj
asciilifeform: and trains for it to the exclusion of pretty much all else
BingoBoingo: If doing swarm may as well convert some forklifts into microdozers
asciilifeform: (and picture if heemeyer had 20 yrs to build the machine, rather than 1 1/2. could've had multiple turrets, incl. anti-aircraft, ir lasers, etc)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no dude. if he had 20 years he'd have built nothing.
asciilifeform: this also possible.
mircea_popescu: anti-aircraft gimme a break. why not submarine jet.
asciilifeform: perhaps there is a 'golden mean' lel.
mircea_popescu: moreover, if your battlefield is ground+air, the weapon suddenly morphs from killdozer to rocket launcher field.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wasn't speaking of anything complicated, just something to prevent the routine police chopper from taking him out from above like sitting duck.
mircea_popescu: this is, incidentally, also a part time project. buy one acre, dig it up, emplace guided rocket tubes. whenever ready, fire.
asciilifeform: 'strela-blok'
mircea_popescu: except you know, spaced half meter apart you can literally level san francisco.
asciilifeform: mod6: neato!
mod6: more to come...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: guided rocket ?
asciilifeform: guided how ?
mircea_popescu: mod6 nice!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform at the distances involved, even radio works.
asciilifeform: the palestinians have yet to level tel-aviv
mircea_popescu: or seriously try to.
asciilifeform: afaik they get respectable 'bang for the buck' neh ?
asciilifeform: with handmade rockets
mircea_popescu: the difference between man, such as heemeyer, and institution, such as "the palestinians", "the government" etc, is that the latter is dedicated to what it could do, and the preservation and expansion of that pretense.
mircea_popescu: whereas man, especially if sane, is interested in doing not in canning the deeds.
mircea_popescu: "the palestinians" don't want to level tel aviv anymore than temper tantrum child wants to stop breathing. they just like to pretend this want to get mommy-intl community to want to spring for a new bmw.
asciilifeform: iirc palestine has the occasional 'fella with initiative', and the front advances until tel aviv figures out where he lives and drops a few tonnes of c4 on his head
asciilifeform: rinse, repeat
mircea_popescu: yeah. and they "figure out" by "the palestinians" telling them. because the last thing they want is for someone who ACTUALLY DOES among their ranks
mircea_popescu: mod6 this is great stuff yo!
mod6: o7
asciilifeform: perennial problem in partizan life. or 'kid throws the curve in class' etc.
asciilifeform: mod6: this incl. the buildroot deps ?
asciilifeform: and gcc ? or not yet
trinque hears deedbot whirring
mircea_popescu: not yet.
mircea_popescu: the gcc in particular is a monstruous problem.
mircea_popescu: how do you bootstrap it, for one ? the knight issues, how do you handle those ? list is pretty long
asciilifeform: gcc was originally built to be bootstrappable with non-gcc.
asciilifeform: unsurprisingly.
asciilifeform: but today it is non-trivial, yes.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: this incl. the buildroot deps ? << the 14 of 'em yeah
mircea_popescu: and hillary clinton was originally a hot piece of ass.
asciilifeform: (for one thing, it expects the usual megatonne of crapolade automake relies on)
asciilifeform: motherfucking automake.
asciilifeform: this is kinda why the 'aborigin linux' fella wanted to work from tcc.
asciilifeform: (and why i suggested it, years ago, and probably buncha other folks also thought)
deedbot: accepted: 1
mircea_popescu: so you see, it's not even clear we want gcc.
asciilifeform: problem in the trb case would be that trb is a cpp, and not c, proggy.
mircea_popescu: this stone is not yet ripe for turning
trinque: mod6: I'm stopping the bitcoind on that box; subsequent ones might be a bit quicker
mod6: ok sounds good.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: presently the thing will not build with - afaik - anything else.
mod6: sorry for the disruption.
asciilifeform: nor is likely to any time soon.
thestringpuller: logs dead?
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: yes
mircea_popescu: trinque you gonna roll mod6 's new build into deedbot ?
thestringpuller: oh wow my laboratory IRC computer is still connected
trinque: mircea_popescu: aha, will keep running the latest trb
deedbot: accepted: 1
asciilifeform: i've contemplated attempting an openwatcom build of trb.
mircea_popescu: pretty cool cycle going huh!
asciilifeform: but ars longa.
deedbot: accepted: 1
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160829/from:317/to:317#317 << sc4mzors can't unearth cement sarcophogus and go "herp derp whats in here" and cause ecological disaster?
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the steppes of lulzistan, https://archive.is/pV0uv
deedbot: accepted: 1
asciilifeform: 'The FBI is warning all states to tighten security measures related to their online election systems after hackers successfully infiltrated one state board of election and targeted another, ABC News has confirmed. “The FBI is requesting that states contact their Board of Elections and determine if any similar activity ...'
mod6: here comes the whale
mircea_popescu: lmao. wait, what, the diebold machines come with a setting, like aks ? you set it on loose or tightened as fbi dictates ?
mircea_popescu: what MEANING does this warning carry ?
mircea_popescu: how is it actionable ?
asciilifeform: how are they ever ?
asciilifeform: the 'meaning' is 'we DISCUSSED this, stop talkin' about it, terrorists'
mod6: rape or harder rape
mircea_popescu: curious what trump does.
mircea_popescu: oh oh "foreign actors" i see.
mircea_popescu: the usg is on to us!
asciilifeform: aha! red wreckerz!1111
mircea_popescu: funnily enough, "we'll recognize mp's entry into cia factbook, but only so much"
BingoBoingo: $s Sodini
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: bot is dead.
BingoBoingo: What isn't
asciilifeform: and its owner went to week-long vacation to planet arrakis.
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2016/08/29/but-height-is/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - …but height is.
BingoBoingo: lol, Dad and Soumaya get their own wikipedia entries
BingoBoingo: In other news Dale Launer who tried to tell Ellior how to get laid wrote "My Cousin Vinny"
asciilifeform: lel, 'I first met [Rodger] when he was aged eight or nine and I could see then that there was something wrong with him. I'm not a psychologist, but looking back now he strikes me as someone who was broken from the moment of conception.'
deedbot: accepted: 1
asciilifeform: an HOUR ?!
shinohai: ty mod6
shinohai: fer deed
mod6: asciilifeform: was gcc ~ 116Mb
mod6: my little host isn't very fast, either. which could be the main bottleneck.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: you'd fit right in on the playa
thestringpuller imagines going to a burn with asciilifeform and him interacting with da hippies.
BingoBoingo: Well, what goes better with sprats than LSD?
thestringpuller: you may even find the dope satoshi smoked before putting in magic numbers
deedbot: accepted: 1
thestringpuller: deedbot will have all da datas
deedbot: accepted: 1
mod6: here's comes another 100mb whale
mircea_popescu pictures postapocalyptic man digging through rubble. "found anything ?" "i dunno... HOLY SHIT! THIS IS PART OF THE DEEDBOT! WERE RICH!"
mod6: lol
asciilifeform: mod6: why is kernel src in there ?
asciilifeform: i dun recall rotor needing such.
asciilifeform: (e.g., armtronic, full-orchestra - yes. but not rotor per se)
mod6: it's ~probably~ not required long term, but it asks for this now. so without having to reconfigure a bunch of buildroot stuff, it goes in.
mod6: "it asks for this" == buildroot.
mod6: trinque pointed this out too about, eh, a month ago or so
mircea_popescu: Framedragger also, alternately background lines, and a better font plox. or better yet : wipe that .pre-div { font-family: "Lucida Console", Monaco, monospace;
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so ima translate pedo article nao.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: neato!
asciilifeform: lel, even i remember this.
mircea_popescu: covertress by the way, do you write ?
covertress: mircea_popescu i've been asked to extend you a similar offer... to write for steemit xD
mircea_popescu: which, ironically, is 50% or more of the advance a writer could at best hope to receive from is publisher.
covertress: Halloween is an acceptable deadline
covertress: as we'll have a chance to discuss first ;)
mircea_popescu tries to remember when is this haloween thing anyway. 15nov ?
mircea_popescu: oct 31st. kay.
covertress: 31-Oct
thestringpuller: ;;seen adlai
gribble: adlai was last seen in #trilema 4 hours, 25 minutes, and 51 seconds ago: <adlai> ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/5105014b-a26e-4a5a-a4c4-4844ea9b9773/?raw=true
thestringpuller: ;;later tell adlai thought of you the other day because the name "Adlai" appeared in futurama as a character.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'Have you ever had occasion to see these obnoxious shits the moment there's shots fired, by the way ? I know of no better illustration of USian subhumanity than that fear. He's right : the moment he took the rifle out and started popping lightbulbs left and right, he was a God to them. Moreso than any god they ever knew or ever had' << fella had a pistol. and apparently his time at the gallery was largely wasted, hit
asciilifeform: not 1 in 100 shot...
mircea_popescu: the many ways in which insanity is self-limiting.
mircea_popescu: the exact same sort of mental issues that make it impossible for him to walk up to a girl and say "hi!" also make it impossible for him to shoot to kill.
asciilifeform: or gas, etc.
asciilifeform: it is really rather funny, asciilifeform lost a very cushy usg research job years ago because there was never a second aum shinrikyo incident, and bureaucrats largely lost interest in antidotes...
asciilifeform: nobody can be arsed.
mircea_popescu: it's funny, this, most people^H^H libtards imagine you know, "guns kill people", like a sort of fucking djinn or something, on command. the animated, locomotive sword of 1001 nights. and they flatter themselves with this idea, you know, that if they took all the stops off and bought a gun and went to hunt people, they'd actually bag much
asciilifeform: or even go to the gallery and 'bag' a few plates.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile without specific training, you'll kill jack shit, and even with, 40 to 1 ? what's that. most survivors in ww2 got twice that.
asciilifeform: it'd be one thing if fella touched his first pistol when killing a policeman and immediately going off to action
asciilifeform: but he had eons to visit the shooting gallery and learn the answer to 'can i play violin? dunno never tried'
covertress: why so many ppl speak of weapons and yet none post about personal accuracy? http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YGLQQZTHoU0/SHUU9H5eR3I/AAAAAAAADWA/0Y2Y4ptcTaM/s1600-h/Tight_group.jpg
asciilifeform: covertress: thread is re a 'postalist' who, like ~all of them to date, could not hit 'broad side of a barn'
covertress: *1000 yards
mircea_popescu: aha. correct plate.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and i'd guess it was not 'mental issues', but the continuous thread in his life of not ever taking the sweat to get properly skilled at anything whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: which is a mental issue.
asciilifeform: schmuck could have bit down, went to trade school, learned to be a demolitionist; or become fire inspector, learn how to arson properly; or programmer, and ...
mircea_popescu: i don't think you understand how the cruel world works.
covertress: asciilifeform: people have forgotten the art of patience
mircea_popescu: woman "is liberated" so she should get job, right ? she should be respected, right ? he's a liberal, don't forget. he thinks the girls should flock to him because he exists, and because he "never agreed to" they not flocking to him. and similarly buildings - once he decided they should fall down, THEY SHOULD FALL DOWN.
mircea_popescu: do you understand how the cruel world and the beastly nature of reality bullied AND RAPED him ?!
asciilifeform: 'whatdayamean i gotta DIP'EM?!!111'
mircea_popescu: this the mindset. not of elliot rodger, this is the mindset of a generation.
covertress: many gens
mircea_popescu: because she exists, therefore she has a voice. because she has a voice, therefore she has something to say. don't blame the victim!
mircea_popescu: it's the land of dreams, where the normal have something to say -> therefore have a voice -> therefore exist is entirely reversed.
covertress: *(The DAO)
mircea_popescu: at least elliot had the excuse of biological malfunction. but all his "friends" and colleagues and congenerational derps simply emulate the same decerebrated state. in sofrware.
mircea_popescu: software*
covertress: I'd like my steak tartare
danielpbarron waves at covertress
covertress waves at danielpbarron
danielpbarron: tell me about the art of patience
mircea_popescu: it's simple : you get a girl, strip her naked, make her bend her bubble butt towards you, then you take a magic marker, write I on one half moon, C on the other
mircea_popescu: and then you pat her butt.
deedbot: accepted: 1
deedbot: accepted: 1
pete_dushenski: what's the status on the logs ? phf ?
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: he's at burning man
thestringpuller: check back after the temple burn
thestringpuller: or find him on da playa
deedbot: accepted: 1
pete_dushenski: i thought it was trinque on da playa ? jeez it's a full time job to keep track of all these various netizens
pete_dushenski: musta been a bitch to run versailles. coralling cats it is.
thestringpuller: ;;seen trinque
gribble: trinque was last seen in #trilema 2 hours, 18 minutes, and 23 seconds ago: <trinque> mircea_popescu: aha, will keep running the latest trb
thestringpuller: well he's missin all da fun, unless he's in chan on da playa
mircea_popescu: lol the upside of having done that elliot thing is that now every task seems tiny. "what, this article ? haha-it's done already!"
deedbot: accepted: 1
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: vilnius!
deedbot: accepted: 1
pete_dushenski: no kaunus, but not a bad place to spend time either. lovely french bookshop on the end of the main square.
deedbot: accepted: 1
deedbot: accepted: 1
mod6: trinque: all done! Thanks again. :]
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/the-pedoepiphany/ << Trilema - The Pedoepiphany
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: there's no other way. except, perhaps, buying yoself a car jack and diy
pete_dushenski: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160828/from:60/to:60#60 << because moar is better (tm). more protein in your protein bar, more diamonds on your ring, and on and on ad infinitum. that moar lines of code can't replace a competent cabbie is apparently discussion unbecoming of the 'civilised' set
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: <pete_dushenski> no kaunus, but not a bad place << my father, apparently, also liked kaunus. (he went to boot camp there.)
mircea_popescu: answer't
asciilifeform: 'Swiss authorities bellyache now about sky-rocketing losses in their financial services department caused by clients leaving en masse...no wonder: Switzerland has been turning clients in, selling records and giving tip-offs for ages to any "alarmed but trusted" party that asked; and third parties given records and tip-offs would typically share the loot with other third parties. Of course it was all about small fry, for none would da
asciilifeform: re to mess with the untouchables.'
asciilifeform: plenty of good bits. fella is in quite respectable, imho, political and intellectual gear
asciilifeform: dunno what the problem was. the lack of rounded corners and css ?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: neat. my father went to boot camp in... the swamps of ontario.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: they had a parachute school near kaunus.
pete_dushenski: aha. parachute school in ontario as well.
pete_dushenski: http://takimag.com/article/hooked_on_a_high_jumper_taki/print << meant to link this one. octogenarians writing too many olympic related blergs
pete_dushenski: "Why is it that grace and innocence make my knees go weak? I suppose it is because I have a view of the fairer sex more common in an era more romantic than the present. I feel more alive in the presence of beauty, but I also feel longing, both spiritual and physical. But beauty has been downgraded these past 50 years. Beautiful buildings are no longer built, just ugly, modern, so-called utilitarian ones, and
pete_dushenski: I’m not sure about the last one. Boats are now extremely ungraceful and downright unshapely; they either look like insects or refrigerators on steroids. Once upon a time there was nothing more elegant or beautiful than sailing boats with overhangs on their bows and sterns. Now we have titanium trimarans that can do 50 knots and look like prehistoric ants. If you need to do 50, get a boat with an engine."
pete_dushenski: "Qatar and Bahrain paid for foreigners to compete under their ludicrous flags and won two medals between them. Qatar and Bahrain are ugly places ruled by ugly people who think they can buy beauty. They cannot. Just because a lot of greedy Brits sold their beautiful old houses to them, the two sandy hellholes thought they could also buy Olympic glory. Most athletes are professionals nowadays, so they figured
pete_dushenski: it would be easy. For once the good guys won. The hellholes will remain hellholes without Olympic glory, at least for another four years. That’s good enough for me." << can't have too much calling out of vain, vapid sandnigs.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: taki, just like mr mold, is a snore once you've tasted actual heresy.
pete_dushenski: i'm a sucker for crotchety old coots.
pete_dushenski: even greenspun's trollage has its appeal for me, if less so than taki even.
pete_dushenski: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160829/from:65/to:65#65 << not ~everything~ is about tmsr y'know. how's that for heresy!1
mircea_popescu: honeslty i was expecting the same thing. the fuck do i care about w/e that was, i can't even recall. some athlete ?
pete_dushenski: musician
pete_dushenski: "Bien fait, Monsieur Gervais!" << title fxd. sorry for the mix-up dpb.
pete_dushenski: http://archive.is/o2ppR#selection-939.0-939.776 << waterfall victim. btc for turbo-turkeys. kid traded 530 btc for... 2 bmw m3s
pete_dushenski: bought 2k btc for ~$2k in 2010 though so not a complete maroon but that's still taking the 'great divestment' pretty far.
asciilifeform: 'Jessica, the social media manager, apparently cried when she found out I went to these meetings she wasn’t invited to.'
asciilifeform: 'Around this time, Bruce and I were sharing personal concerns and he confided in me that he had let Michael borrow $50,000 from his personal savings. Did you read that? A startup employee gave his life savings to our CEO. He wasn’t the only one. Another biz dev team bro who was crashing on the CEO’s couch, Bobby, apparently lent Michael five figures too. In disbelief, I asked why he needed money when he has $2M already committed
asciilifeform: in the company. Bruce said that Michael had his offshore money tied up with the IRS because of unpaid taxes and essentially his assets were frozen until he went to court. '
asciilifeform: and various other wtf's.
asciilifeform: 'What you are seeing is a Photoshopped Google search image that was posed as a real Wells Fargo wire transfer sent to 17 employees via email by the CEO. ... Whoever photoshopped these documents has the intelligence of a 5th grader, but even worse is the person who thought this was a good idea. Think about it. The scam artist sat there and concocted this in his head instead of telling us the truth that the money wasn’t there. He the
asciilifeform: n weighed the pros and cons and decided it was worth it. Then he took the time to Photoshop in each of his 17 employees’ names ...'
pete_dushenski: "Michael, the CEO, introduced himself as the owner of a successful international mining business group, a millionaire investor, and a former JPMorgan analyst." << milliONEaire. the pic's on lastnight.com or whatever that was
pete_dushenski: "When washers and dryers were added to 17 schools through a new program, attendance rates shot up.
pete_dushenski: "It turned out that when students didn’t have clean clothes, they often stayed home from school out of embarrassment. "
pete_dushenski: "Whirlpool says it will expand the program next year to at least 20 additional schools, including one in Baltimore and one in Nashville. Over 300 schools have expressed interest in the program.
trinque: mod6 | trinque: all done! Thanks again. :] << awesome, I'll fire it back up.
trinque: pete_dushenski: I am not at burning man, hate hippies too much.
pete_dushenski: trinque: 'da beach' was cr in my head. you back from there ?
asciilifeform: sooooo transformer on my street just exploded
asciilifeform: hay mas futuro, aha.
trinque: ah yes
trinque: I'm back.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: shoulda built your own like nipponese audiophile
pete_dushenski: trinque: sweet
mod6: <+trinque> mod6 | trinque: all done! Thanks again. :] << awesome, I'll fire it back up. << cool!
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i read the linked piece and do not understand what was interesting. kakobrekla also bought a car with btc.
asciilifeform: had a buncha x, traded them for a y. big fat deal.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: one difference in this latest case would be fiat intermediary step AND TAXES PAID
asciilifeform: i have nfi re elsewhere, but here in the land of the phreeee, if you have a car and it is seen on public streets, there will be tax questions
pete_dushenski: also, kako didn't spend 1/4 of stash did he.
asciilifeform: now how would i know.
pete_dushenski: not saying you do, and maybe not reasonable to assume
pete_dushenski: anyways, young are foolish. news at 11
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: other points of linked m3icle: example of 'assets' into which 'great divestment' was beneficiary (others: ru bonds?), and also eg of btc sale beyond 'us marshalls' fraud - more than just using usgpuppet to move coinz from a-->b in exchange for ~chance~ at lizardposting
shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/1iav
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: lolwat, car as 'investment' ?
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski went to argentina and drank the water, or wut
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: please to show where i said 'investment'
pete_dushenski: asset =! investment
asciilifeform: 'assets', but i have nfi.
pete_dushenski: your battlestation is a perfect example of this.
pete_dushenski: namely in that even if it's an investment for ~you~, you also recognise that the market probably doesn't agree with your sentiment, nor could it, nor do you care if it does.
asciilifeform: noshit.
asciilifeform: like, e.g., suit, or eyeglasses.
pete_dushenski: so bitcoin continues to stimulate the remnants of the us economy
pete_dushenski: inb4 every country targets 'bitcoin tourism' for such influxes
pete_dushenski: o hello a111
Framedragger: oh hey i think a111 resynced the missing log from today
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: furthermore, 1/4 of net worth (net inheritance) on suits, shades, and whips is a poboy move if ever there was one. tis tres gauche given the kid's apparent class position.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: ty
shinohai: BingoBoingo: o7
shinohai: for article
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/08/nothing-self-actualizes-zapchain/ << Qntra - Nothing Self Actualizes: Zapchain
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: last point (for now): if you skim the comments you'll also notice the softening of libtard revulsion to wealth and an acceptance of their lowly station in life. before our very eyes we're seeing an increased appreciation for the 'my mother isn't your mother' reality. the libtard dream of 'every trainflake can do anything' is dissolving in broad daylight. it's pretty glorious.
pete_dushenski: https://www.engadget.com/2016/08/29/dead-or-alive-vr-is-basically-sexual-assault-the-game/ << in other glories, "Apparently, 'no means no' doesn't apply to virtual reality.
pete_dushenski: the nerds are catching on.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: "not terribl educated" << y.
pete_dushenski: https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/800/1*AGKyR8YsQRwQ7st0G1QmTg.jpeg << in other middle easterery, i give you nassim taleb at age 21. looks like 37 tbh.
pete_dushenski: fuck me it's getting cold already and it's not even sept. so much for global warming.
mircea_popescu: "transactions in blockchain currency" lmao. yaya tryin' really hard over there, i get it, i get it.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160830/from:6/to:6#6 << seems these things are periodic enough. somehow people just dun wanna get suspicious of transactions in bezzlechain.
mircea_popescu: in other mainstream media news, "Join the great illuminati fatality cult today, I am agent Smith,A fully Agent of this fatality,i"
asciilifeform: FATALITY!111 (tm) (r) ('mortal combat')
mod6: tomato platter spa treatment time
mod6: had some disks with bad bearings did: http://trilema.com/2014/spy-stuff/
mod6: s/did/doing
asciilifeform: it does 0
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo's crematorium is better recipe, if you must.
mod6: not sure if i saw that one. will follow up with a blowtorch
mod6: and i had about 5lbs of (previously frozen) tomatoes from last year was itching to use.
mod6: i suppose sanding the surfaces with the dremel would do the trick
mircea_popescu: lol ketchup!
mircea_popescu: lol reading this pim kim whatever thing is pretty amusing. crazed azn bitch is so fucking desperate to pretend she's in control, she "let" jessica go dontchaknow. honey, this experienced slaveowner sees right through you.
mircea_popescu: bonus points, what got her mind blown wasn't the team of dorks with nary a clue, but that "no one had a whiteboard session". cuz gotta be chinese, what.
mircea_popescu: they don't wash, fine, but she can't believe they don't own any ming hats!
trinque: mod6: ^ ding!
mod6: trinque: nice! thanks :]
mod6: i used a sanding block with low grit, grinded each face both directions real good.
mod6: then blow torched 'em.
mod6: holy smokes. lol, that's all of em in one shot 'eh trinque?
mircea_popescu: best that way.
trinque: mod6: yeah, that's why I stopped the presses for it
trinque: one artifact
mod6: that's pretty sweet
mircea_popescu: "Earlier in the week I had taken screenshots of our Trello task board (Jessica was changing it around to make it look like I did nothing)" <<< ahahaha fucking idiot kids. "start-up", puts the motherloade of confidential/business matter on rando social media site. back at reality ranch, do that and you're fired, and you have to hire a lawyer. but in california idiot parade, they think it's about as standard as bottled water.
trinque: also, apparently the way to restart a111 is to give the www a good dicking?
trinque: makes a sort of primal sense
mircea_popescu: phf got a lot to learn about the practical side of these things it turns out.
asciilifeform: apparently phf is running the thing not only on cmucl, but on 486..?
asciilifeform: if i had to guess.
mircea_popescu: more importantly, no cache of any kind ?
asciilifeform: apparently.
mircea_popescu: laugh all you want at the lamp shitstack, but you can't take down qtra via wget
asciilifeform: you could if qntra were an irc bot that has to meet timing or get tossed
trinque: I'm using 100k as limit
trinque: it's not the transfer rate limit; it's whether connection stays open longer than ping/pong maybe.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron who's the pretty girl ?
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