BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 655.25, vol: 2630.92183602 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 647.211, vol: 4001.66338 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 657.02, vol: 12676.36115708 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 657.901809, vol: 76873.47370000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 656.9, vol: 1758.9881738 | Volume-weighted last average: 657.261650545
mircea_popescu: i wonder what happened to all the derps who went on about how bitcoin ain't stable enough.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1510691 << they jizzed in their pants when it spiked from the 400s and are still cleaning up??
a111: Logged on 2016-07-28 04:36 mircea_popescu: i wonder what happened to all the derps who went on about how bitcoin ain't stable enough.
asciilifeform: or does 'not stable' count only falls.
asciilifeform: i dun pray to satan to ask that btc be magically nailed to usd, but words - incl. 'stable' - have meanings..!
BingoBoingo: Are you sure it is stable and not s-table?
mircea_popescu: just funny how topics are of interest or not according to you know, political expediency.
mircea_popescu occasionalyl goes by poor people summons in this city, asking obrero women to gather for classes in home economics, how to not get beaten by husband, and "vegetarian" cooking.
mircea_popescu: great to be a vegetarian when one can't afford to buy meat.
mircea_popescu: "vegetarian - just like $random-ustarian-starlet. for different reasons altogether, but who's cuntin'."
BingoBoingo: Since the cops are exonerated, for alf http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/bs-md-ci-dirt-bike-website-20160727-story.html
BingoBoingo: From the mines: "Ms. Dyspnea: "Bullshit. I asked the nurse if I could just get the oxygen in my IV, and she said she couldn't do that. We all know she could just take off this stupid mask and plug it into my IV instead." "
danielpbarron: $v C74752B5009BFBAC8EECB1901227524938A98C25F6ED19F017F6479862C9DC06
deedbot: danielpbarron rated Jybrael 1 << Euloran
mircea_popescu: $key jybrael
shinohai: ;;bc, stats
gribble: Error: "bc," is not a valid command.
gribble: Current Blocks: 422608 | Current Difficulty: 2.1349250110751337E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 423359 | Next Difficulty In: 751 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 12 hours, 31 minutes, and 45 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
shinohai: gm #trilema
shinohai: Nothing says "we're sorry for shooting ya'll" like free ice cream.
mircea_popescu: in other penis news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/32743ef89e3eaa82309fd1ddd5c5e959/tumblr_ncf9jke3w71st7pw8o1_400.gif
mircea_popescu: http://www.themaneater.com/stories/2016/6/14/having-student-debt-helped-me-find-myself/ << "slavery is the definitive formative experience for the female. but GOTTA NOT BE TO A MAN!!11 anything, everything, no matter that it doesn't work or make sense. I WILL NEVER SUBMIT!!11eleventy"
mircea_popescu: fucking idiots already.
mircea_popescu: this sort of femtard is approximately equal to the "driving expert" who spends most of her time on her bike watching the cars go by from behind the fence.
mircea_popescu: what approximately. EXACTLY.
BingoBoingo: Not to mention signs up for all this debt to... what? Pay for "memories" other people are getting 4Phree?
BingoBoingo: Not to mention at a place with protests, but not real protests
mircea_popescu: memories my fuckstick.
mircea_popescu: the neurotic mind of the typical millennial is incapable of what you and i call memory just like the brainfried derps on wall street are incapable of banking. pokemon go, "revolutionizing", stuff like that. but "housewife" can't fucking cook and college student can't fucking remember.
asciilifeform: '25,000. That’s the number of single dollar bills that I will eventually have to pay back. ' << wtf
asciilifeform: that aint even money
asciilifeform: 200k is moar typical
asciilifeform: and why the mention of paper bills...?
mircea_popescu: it is money for slave.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Probably "thinks" it has 25kilo dollars in debt
mircea_popescu: anyway, you gotta make room in the model for the me-toos, who are most of it by weight. for every whewish princess that goes to vassar / wesleyan "cuz that's where hillary sent her kids" bla bla and blows "cost my parents about 250k... about 10k a year" on chinese calligraphy and clowning double major,
mircea_popescu: there's a hundred to a thousand daughters of "single parent" families with fucking siblings, ie, whoredaughters, who instead of joining their mother's brothel go to "community college" and end up with just about enough "college debt" to cover a decent party weekend. IN FOUR YEARS.
asciilifeform: sounds like a buyer's market!111
asciilifeform: if anyone needed them for anything.
mircea_popescu: everything's a buyer's market once money actually exists. which is so fucking important for the stupid party that money doesn't exist.
mircea_popescu: commerce is not all need. who NEEDED pomodori or spices? yet these non-needs drove the age of trade.
mircea_popescu: (tomato is called goldenfruit in italian because they saw it first, and when they saw it the shit cost its weight in gold pretty much)
mircea_popescu: anyway, i look forward to the reintroduction of that ancient italian tradition of the whore family.
mircea_popescu: about fucking time.
asciilifeform: was it even paused ? or what do you suppose the college chix do with their time?
mircea_popescu: they eat government cheese in the government vat and dream,
mircea_popescu: which is unseemly.
mircea_popescu: the relation between she-ustard and tradition-whore is about the same as between chicken liver and a mouse.
mircea_popescu: you don't usually get to see either. but for different reasons altogether.
asciilifeform: a few hr/day , here, in the evening they go to the rape pits, voluntarily, beer-lubricated
mircea_popescu: they are "similarly squishy". one can survive on its own, and does.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i wouldn't call the "normal" encounters anything as noble as rape. it's servicing.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi why the dudes are dumb enough to not expect to be paid.
mircea_popescu: the work - and it IS work - involved in the average encounter known as a "hook up" or "one night stand" is a lot closer to nursing an elderly stupid patient than to fucking.
BingoBoingo: Current arrangement is Daddy Bahamas pays the girls to fuck the dudes
mircea_popescu: and in general, nurses do the dirst work for moneys.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it ain't even close to fucking unless they call it "rape".
BingoBoingo: Fine "stick it in and maek babby"
mircea_popescu: more like "is it ok if i take your blouse off ? are you ok ? can i remove your panties now ? aren't we going too fast ?" blablabla.
mircea_popescu: caring guys with a greatsense of humor, the world's worst paid nurses.
thestringpuller: $b 6
mircea_popescu: and somehow nobody's concerned about their exploitation, either. if they were worthelss 5 yo curry eaters making soccer apparel everyone'd be up in arms.
mircea_popescu: but the legion of poor, hopeless, bropariahs, doing the dirty work of nursing stupid cunts, nobody cares about those.
asciilifeform: does this shit even exist outside of ustard mythology?
mircea_popescu: which shit ?
asciilifeform: this 'nursing'
mircea_popescu: most of the reason my usual "we're going to the party now. take off your clothes ; keep your knees apart at all times" is so insta-delicious. much like icecream in a world of gruel.
deedbot: [Qntra] Royal Dutch Shell Shocked! Losses! - http://qntra.net/2016/07/royal-dutch-shell-shocked-losses/
mircea_popescu: awww, i thought oil hurt russia not the good guys.
mircea_popescu: this economix stuff is confusing my 25k communitard college degree.
BingoBoingo: Shame your cashiering job doesn't offer the right kind of experience with money to have perspective either
mircea_popescu: yeah. sometimes i feel i'm gonna break down and cry.
mircea_popescu: nowhere to go nothing to do with my time...
BingoBoingo: Don't worry. You'll just go to bar, make baby, and discover each baby comes with a raise.
BingoBoingo: Anyways soon Obama/Clinton will make weed legal and then all problems may be toked/vaped under the rug.
mircea_popescu: i thought flying-hairmat is making it legal.
BingoBoingo: flying hairmat is a wild card, and electoral "mystery box"
BingoBoingo: Mebbe that gets legal. Mebbe castor oil?
mircea_popescu: watch him win and announce the dissolution of nato as part of his inauguration speech.
BingoBoingo: Or mebbe announce new NATO membership structure of pay hairmat treasure or drink castor oil? Should be enough for Italeave
mircea_popescu: "the us still got enough juice to defend ITSELF. and as to the rest of you bitches - talk to greece, they're like... cool and shit. ask'em."
asciilifeform: last fella who hinted at possible delizardification was named kennedy.
asciilifeform: and scattered brainz
mircea_popescu: the hint is above. nowwhat.
mircea_popescu: there's a price to pay for the idiotic pretense put up by the gop. when a woman does it, the custom is to slide the knife in her asshole before the penis, to cut her sphyncter permanently.
mircea_popescu: similar principle likely applies - the military-industrials SHOULD have had the fucking sense to bring their party to heel. that they didn't calls for bloodletting.
asciilifeform: from my perch, mr t is not electable, unless he mccains and promises, answerable with his arse and his woman-sausages, to play ball, and prolly not then, either.
mircea_popescu: i know :)
mircea_popescu: the only problem is that the implied agent in "electable" is not an agent in this play.
asciilifeform: nobody's defunding lockheed et al. whoever is stubborn enough to bribe diebold et al to keep finger off the cheat button and win, will eat some 'bad shellfish' during some party dinner and that'll be that.
asciilifeform: usa, unlike most orc shitholes, has a well-curated electoral zoo, and this kind of thing is rare. but it happens.
mircea_popescu: if trump had any sense, lockheed, northrop & friends are FULLY defunded the same day, and are allowed the mercy to perhaps beg for SOME SMALL PORTION of re-funding, maybe, someday.
mircea_popescu: and it's literally, and plainly stated. "there won't be a next time for you. but if there were a 2nd last time, you'd better make damn sure the republican party crowns me from day one and on its knees. bitches."
asciilifeform: does mircea_popescu recall the 'auspicious incident' ?
asciilifeform: when janissary corps was dissolved
mircea_popescu: recall the butchery that yielded once the prophet';s flag was brought forth ?
asciilifeform: who is the new parallel corps now?
mircea_popescu: iirc it was the jannisary baracks, not the palace, that ended up mme la marquise'd.
asciilifeform: them janissaries won't gut themselves
asciilifeform: need new corps
mircea_popescu: all the disenfranchised idiots in the us want is the butchery of the military-industrials. they're on incredibru thin ice as it is.
mircea_popescu: let the president tell tyrone it's ok to take the army's weapons.
asciilifeform: ask a bmore ape what is grumman
mircea_popescu: baltimore police dept was ALREADY told to stfu and sit indoors like womenz once.
mircea_popescu: test run.
asciilifeform: betcha he will sooner know who was mozart
mircea_popescu: the campaign clearly moved into "nuclear option" territory, what with hillary doing the pot dance.
asciilifeform: told by ape mayor , in league with the other monkeyz
mircea_popescu: the specific idiocy of the libertards is that they imagine themselves doing "the utmost", most scandalous outrageous move and so will win!
mircea_popescu: but this imagination is predicated on mental gymnastics, the disavowal of the obvious tit for the tat.
mircea_popescu: "you legalize pot to win, i make it legal for anyone with college debt to take anything they want from us armed forces depot"
asciilifeform: hey it worked to elect obummer
asciilifeform: there will be no freicorps in usa, because the ballz, they were stolen.
mircea_popescu: "revolutionary guards" manned by "students" are nothing new. very, very far from new.
mircea_popescu: about as new as spring water.
asciilifeform: precisely, old
asciilifeform: you need, at worst, 20th c - grade meat.
asciilifeform: it dun exist here.
mircea_popescu: this is what's said before, every fucking time.
mircea_popescu: the REASON it exists is specifically that prior it didn't exist.
mircea_popescu: do you know why room blows up ? not BECAUSE "there was already flame there". but specificially, exactly because THERE WASNT.
asciilifeform: recall the 'shit in a hole for 5 years' thread?
mircea_popescu: for as long as there's open fire it an't explode.
mircea_popescu: which one was that ?
asciilifeform: $s shit in a hole
a111: 1 results for "shit in a hole", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=shit%20in%20a%20hole
mircea_popescu: 1 is an insufficient number of results for this resource.
asciilifeform: will have to dig.
deedbot: [Trilema] Borcanelanul (elanul la borcan) - http://trilema.com/2016/borcanelanul-elanul-la-borcan/
danielpbarron: if there's a fire in an air-tight room and you break open a way for fresh air to get in...
thestringpuller: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1510735 << I have a great story regarding this from my alma matar. There was this guy was a rich alumni (trophy wife and everything), and would come back to campus to "hang out". Anyhow he'd pick up chicks and become their sugar daddy. Note that one of these girls is married to a beta-male working for crapple, and another chick who was "in a monogamous relationship" for years at the time. Point being,
a111: Logged on 2016-07-28 14:43 mircea_popescu: there's a hundred to a thousand daughters of "single parent" families with fucking siblings, ie, whoredaughters, who instead of joining their mother's brothel go to "community college" and end up with just about enough "college debt" to cover a decent party weekend. IN FOUR YEARS.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron natural gas is explosive around 14% or so. fresh air dun help your cause.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller seems pretty natural.
thestringpuller: slut shopping is what they call it
thestringpuller: and it is a buyer market. just can't get hung up on those clingy ones.
thestringpuller: they called it*
asciilifeform: 'The Arkakao place closed down.' << noooooooooooooooooo
asciilifeform: unrelatedly, found https://gist.github.com/achillean/07f7f1e6b0e6e113a33c << claims to be catalogue of top duped ssh pubkeys from a scan similar to Framedragger's
asciilifeform: i remembered this existing, somewhere, but this encoding is quite useless, has fp's only
asciilifeform: why do people do this.
trinque: mod6: ^
trinque: that was buildroot
asciilifeform: imho this is ill behaviour for deedbot
asciilifeform: popping where no one has pushed.
trinque: wtf, I pushed
asciilifeform: not publicly
trinque: gonna delete from queue and let mod6 do honors
thestringpuller: i enjoyed professors like asciilifeform
thestringpuller: make life as miserable as possible for the student, until one day student realizes he actually learned a lot
mod6: <+trinque> that was buildroot << awesome! thanks for putting that in there.
mod6: do I need to load from wotpaste or dpaste? or can I load from mod6.net?
trinque: from anywhere works
trinque: mod6.net is fine
trinque: bundle will be cut at the hour, so I'd do it all either before then or after, so you can reference a single deed bundle in docs or w/e
mod6: maybe we're not gonna make it, should have waited.
mod6: that one is 70M
thestringpuller: dat big file
trinque: looks like it's still chugging
mod6: ok, got ~8 minutes.
mod6: next biggest one is 30M
trinque: I'll just stop that cron job until we're done
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell asciilifeform Thing to do other than bugger dead badgers http://www.bnd.com/news/local/community/highland-news-leader/article92341522.html#navlink=SecList
trinque: hah! good job deedbutt
mod6: $deed buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz.uu.asc
trinque: mod6: next!
mod6: thx trinque!
mod6: this one is only 6.9M
deedbot: Bad URL or network outage.
trinque: missing the hostname hombre
mod6: site is still up.
mod6: oh im retarded.
mod6: helps to tell it where to find the thing :D
shinohai: GO FORTH AND LOCATE THIS FILE!
mod6: haha. traverse-all-the-sites.jpg
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1510893 << this is useful and necessary but, sad as it is to rain on parade: buildroot downloads 10,001 turds.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-28 19:01 mod6: $deed http://mod6.net/foobar/buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz.uu.asc
trinque: asciilifeform: with sig checking?
trinque: not that I disagree with what you're pointing out
asciilifeform: trinque: i dun recall it shipping with pubkeys
asciilifeform: so answer is no.
asciilifeform: even if it does something resembling it.
trinque: so then, deed moar turds
mod6: i've been running into a bunch of instances lately where the download sites for these artifacts have been down/unavailable.
mod6: we need a place where we can grab these.
ben_vulpes: vendor /everything/.
trinque: yeah, what was it, uclibc site was down?
asciilifeform: i recall somebody here was attempting a version of buildroot that downloads nothing
mod6: trinque: yup
asciilifeform: (ships with whole orchestra)
asciilifeform: what became of this ?
mod6: and also sourceforge was down too.
trinque: mod6: openssl final one?
mod6: asciilifeform: i was tinkering with that... for a bit.
mod6: trinque: yup
mod6: thanks trinque, this thing works great
trinque: quite welcome
trinque: sqlite3 is a tank
trinque: it did not give a single fuck.
asciilifeform: hanbot's www is not in the deedbot feed ?
trinque: hm it isn't; I'll add.
deedbot: [The Whet] Line betting on BitBet, October 2015 - http://thewhet.net/2015/line-betting-on-bitbet-october-2015/
deedbot: [The Whet] Line betting on BitBet, November 2015 - http://thewhet.net/2015/line-betting-on-bitbet-november-2015/
deedbot: [The Whet] Line betting on BitBet, December 2015 - http://thewhet.net/2016/line-betting-on-bitbet-december-2015/
deedbot: [The Whet] Line betting on BitBet, January 2016 - http://thewhet.net/2016/line-betting-on-bitbet-january-2016/
deedbot: [The Whet] How to Unmake Money in Eulora, Sorta - http://thewhet.net/2016/how-to-unmake-money-in-eulora-sorta/
deedbot: [The Whet] Line betting on BitBet, February and March 2016 - http://thewhet.net/2016/line-betting-on-bitbet-february-and-march-2016/
deedbot: [The Whet] In which a city that never sleeps burns out. - http://thewhet.net/2016/in-which-a-city-that-never-sleeps-burns-out/
deedbot: [The Whet] Line Betting on BitBet, Closing Out - http://thewhet.net/2016/line-betting-on-bitbet-closing-out/
asciilifeform: ;;later tell hanbot 'alcachofa 7515' is mega-story. i can almost apprehend the sheer vacuum inside the argentine heads now!111
shinohai: $up covertress
deedbot: covertress voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: just in time, we've these here tresses that need coverin'.
covertress: I bring a propositon from Andreas Antonopoulos for Mircea Popescu.
covertress: On Twitter, A.A. wrote: If the person who drained the DAO wants to do an interview, I can offer voice-masking and anonymity. Contact me via http://antonopoulos.com
trinque falls on floor
asciilifeform: covertress: you will find that interviews, incl. with 'reuters' et al, happen ~here~.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-01 17:40 mircea_popescu: the reason you do not want to discuss anything with hitler, such as for instance in the shape of hitler's own propaganda magazine "interviewing" you is that they aren't interviewing you. what they are doing is trying for a "o noes scandal and wilhelm lost all his support" piece. if it works, they got it, if it doesn't work, "it never happened".
shinohai: See covertress? Told you it would have to occur in #trilema assembled
gribble: Current Blocks: 422646 | Current Difficulty: 2.1349250110751337E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 423359 | Next Difficulty In: 713 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 4 hours, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
covertress: :) As I thought (no interview.) Just wanted to pass that along and request if it is alright that I reply to A.A. on Twitter with M.P.'s FU blog post.
asciilifeform: covertress: fella can come here, like honest man, like anybody else..?
ben_vulpes: covertress: not "no interview". interview /here/.
ben_vulpes: twitter is not "a place".
covertress: yes, sorry. Interview "here."
ben_vulpes: no, you don't use scare quotes about the actual bitcoin forum.
asciilifeform: covertress: here. where we have real-time logs that - unlike twatter et al - don't get doctored.
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all --currency rmb
gribble: BTCChina BTCRMB last: 4360.91, vol: 62512.97130000 | Volume-weighted last average: 4360.91
ben_vulpes: and please, type whatever you want into dorsey's skinner box.
covertress: Shall I invite A.A. here then?
covertress: The rest of the world knows nothing of you.
BingoBoingo: Invite whoever wherever.
ben_vulpes: twitter is in no way the rest of the world.
BingoBoingo: Mind that http://qntra.net/2015/01/the-hard-fork-missile-crisis/ is the most influential piece on cryptocurrency this month
ben_vulpes: these logs are a) more widely read than any shithead 140 character 'prose', and b) read by people whose attention spans can handle them.
BingoBoingo shouts out to thestringpuller
ben_vulpes: nevermind the hilarity of some wot nonperson inviting someone to tmsr~
covertress: I have a pgp now.
ben_vulpes: $gettrust covertress
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
BingoBoingo: And mind the most important piece on "cryptocurrency" this month was authored in January 2015
BingoBoingo: $rate covertress 1 Palmer's Amaranth
deedbot: covertress is not registered in WoT.
covertress: you will find it under my real name: Stephanie kent
ben_vulpes: where does the wot visualization live this week?
trinque: $help << covertress
trinque: instructions on how to register are ^
covertress: ty. I'll register covertress.
covertress: I neglected to do that.
ben_vulpes: myeah. key is one thing, anyone can make those. what turns ye olde keypair into an identity is its registration with the wot.
covertress: $register CDC13F3B380239FE82250DA310488A0477C34BCE
deedbot: CDC13F3B380239FE82250DA310488A0477C34BCE registered as covertress.
shinohai: $rate covertress 1 Coverer of tresses
shinohai: $v 9D2450531D78968F934B6D3986C8467FA232919DBEB1F2D873809537558CFF99
deedbot: shinohai rated covertress 1 << Coverer of tresses
asciilifeform: covertress: you can self-voice now.
shinohai: asciilifeform she needs another rate I think, I am not L1 so ...
BingoBoingo: $rate covertress 1 Palmer's Amaranth
asciilifeform: $rate covertress 1 new blood; tresses - well-covered
BingoBoingo: $v 94CBD4F2FBDE9F0271E2DFA00CBEF85C03CB5068A42949BE8C8216B95D984B30
deedbot: BingoBoingo rated covertress 1 << Palmer's Amaranth
asciilifeform: yer lucky day BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: lol asciilifeform
covertress: Thank you, #trilema, for your ratings. :)
covertress: Love the Palmer's Amaranth, BingoBoingo. So witty. :)
BingoBoingo: Are you sure?
covertress: I don't mind you think of me as a weed. Yes, I'm sure.
covertress: Everyone must begin somewhere.
shinohai: Round up fixes that shot easy
ben_vulpes: so -- covertress -- who are you?
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Round up does NOT fix this weed
BingoBoingo: Palmer's Amaranth is not merely a weed.
shinohai: I don't have them
shinohai: Sounds tenacious
trinque: ben_vulpes: has an alt-eth!
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Wait about an hour or so for next qntra
ben_vulpes: heh 2013 all over again or what
covertress: Please, enlighten me, BingoBoingo. What else is it?
ben_vulpes: anyways, let the lady dig her own holes
shinohai: kk BingoBoingo I have nothing on the warmer as of yet
BingoBoingo: covertress: Well for that like shinohai you are going to have to read qntra in about an hour, but http://qntra.net/2016/05/monsanto-embargoes-argentina-from-getting-dicamba-resistant-soybeans/ will be useful background reading
shinohai: oh i get it
shinohai is tired
covertress: BingoBoingo, are you implying that my alt-eth is a weed. In it's present state, I agree. KR's client will be undergoing an entire rewrite in a more sane lang than Golang.
covertress: KR was created for me as a gift. My gift to the KR community will be to make it better.
BingoBoingo: covertress: No, I'm implying I don't know who or what you are, but you as sure as hell aren't my soybeans. Hence the rating of 1 denoting limited information beyond this. I have no idea what you mean by KR or your alt-eth.
asciilifeform: and what means 'was created for me as a gift' ??
shinohai: If someone gave me a steaming pile of golang as a gift, I'd probably reconsider my friends.
covertress: Excuse me, Krypton is my fork of Ethereum (alt-eth). Here is today's current: https://www.dropbox.com/s/rbgqesyy320gaer/Krypton4.pdf?dl=0
covertress: I sent that to Pete Rizzo today.
asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/e872ba3d-f8bb-42d1-b35e-2084b490456d << demunged from above.
asciilifeform: my dosimeter is nearing max, from having read this.
shinohai: lo asciilifeform
asciilifeform: 'Krypton will be the only decentralized blockchain represented at the conference' << holy mother of fuckq, what
covertress: *new one
covertress: I didn't write that.
asciilifeform: lemme guess, your 'business genius' did ?
covertress: an anon ghostwriter
shinohai: Straight from the buzzword thesaurus ?
covertress: Seems to be his speciality
covertress: I'm off to grow a company. Thank you #trilema for accepting me as a citizen. ttyl
asciilifeform: covertress: wait i have another business idea
asciilifeform: that you might like
asciilifeform: visit junkyard, find an old yugo wreck, repaint it, have ghostwriter write prospectus where you have a new, exciting car co.
asciilifeform: laugh, but folks have made $millions on 'kickstarter' doing essentially this.
trinque: I don't doubt it.
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 11292545407594175178676347015728407315964404798513500904475751592529893233021480868652014808334425655353317917185993496061664578037945011652939076832189037 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '126.96.36.199 (ssh-rsa key from 188.8.131.52 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <firstname.lastname@example.org>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuc
asciilifeform: $s 11292545407594175178676347015728407315964404798513500904475751592529893233021480868652014808334425655353317917185993496061664578037945011652939076832189037
a111: 4 results for "11292545407594175178676347015728407315964404798513500904475751592529893233021480868652014808334425655353317917185993496061664578037945011652939076832189037", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=11292545407594175178676347015728407315964404798513500904475751592529893233021480868652014808334425655353317917185993496061664578037945011652939076832189037
asciilifeform: who the hell even uses 1024-bit keys, and for what.
shinohai: Getting pwnd of course
asciilifeform: not that it particularly matters to phuctor.
gribble: ุ ₍˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew*
shinohai: Nice Qntra BingoBoingo reading nau
BingoBoingo: ty shinohai
BingoBoingo: covertress: http://qntra.net/2016/07/monsanto-lead-dicamba-enthusiasm-raises-tensions-among-farmers/
deedbot: [Qntra] Monsanto Lead Dicamba Enthusiasm Raises Tensions Among Farmers - http://qntra.net/2016/07/monsanto-lead-dicamba-enthusiasm-raises-tensions-among-farmers/
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Latest qntra may also be of interest to you since you want to become agri-cultured
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1511053 << laugh all you want but this is ~how musk started out with tesla, except with nearly equally junky british sports car from 'lotus'
a111: Logged on 2016-07-28 21:27 asciilifeform: visit junkyard, find an old yugo wreck, repaint it, have ghostwriter write prospectus where you have a new, exciting car co.
ben_vulpes: lotuses suck nao?
pete_dushenski: musk took a lotus rolling chassis, added 5k laptop batteries, cobbled the whole thing together in true british shedding fashion, and sold the result to a few demokrats and even more investors
mircea_popescu: didn't use to suck, years ago
ben_vulpes: i thought they were moderately expensive, barebones, fast and stiff little vehicles
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: they supposedly drive well. but they're still british (ie. won't start when cloudy)
ben_vulpes: they run toyota engines, right?
ben_vulpes has been rattled around in one, was an entirely enjoyable experience.
pete_dushenski: the elise, evora, exige do, yes.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1511074 << and stevejobs took korean flash ram, capacitative touch screen, and.... etc
a111: Logged on 2016-07-28 22:30 pete_dushenski: musk took a lotus rolling chassis, added 5k laptop batteries, cobbled the whole thing together in true british shedding fashion, and sold the result to a few demokrats and even more investors
pete_dushenski: the early elise had some other 1.6L british engine iirc
ben_vulpes: would *love* to have pushed one of the electric-drive ones around. not as a useful car thing, but as a dope little driving chassis with an electric powertrain.
asciilifeform: fact is, prior to musk there were no electromobile with ~reasonable range.
asciilifeform: like, or dislike - same.
pete_dushenski: just, it was a 1.8L, but 'rover' made engine in the early lotus elise
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: don't forget xerox ui
asciilifeform: i bet even mircea_popescu could not buy a xerox 'dorado'.
asciilifeform: how many even made? 100?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: no dispute on musk's contribution to range. but it's still like making the best ipad ~intheworld~. call it what you want but it's a poor replacement for a workstation, just as is electric car for gas car.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Tesla-Roadster-Base-Convertible-2-Door-/162141489126?hash=item25c062c7e6:g:2IAAAOSwaB5Xjirp
pete_dushenski: and in other trollbox nooz, "FatAlbert: frankthetank, No offense but Barry Silbert is NOT invited. The last time he ate all the shrimp (odd!) and threw up in the bathtub. Cleaned it up with his shorts"
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: petrol car only looks like a great deal because no one hangs you upside down and rubs yer nose in the externalities.
BingoBoingo: $up _FeltPen It means ask questions. Bring up ideas, etc
deedbot: _FeltPen voiced for 30 minutes.
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1510950 << why would derpolodopolous assume that anyone wants anonimitee ? strange set of priors, this fella.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-28 20:12 covertress: On Twitter, A.A. wrote: If the person who drained the DAO wants to do an interview, I can offer voice-masking and anonymity. Contact me via http://antonopoulos.com
BingoBoingo: _FeltPen: Also register a key and do they right things
_FeltPen: Thnx Bingo. Yep, have registered a key already IIRC.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Maybe asking people to anon is his way of preserving his "name" so it doesn't drown in better names?
BingoBoingo: $gettrust _FeltPen
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
BingoBoingo: $rate _FeltPen 1 new blood
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deedbot: BingoBoingo rated _FeltPen 1 << new blood
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BingoBoingo: $down _FeltPen
shinohai: $rate _FeltPen -1 I prefer ballpoints
a111: Logged on 2016-06-22 17:42 trinque: jurov: there, be as floppy as you want, puny human
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: that's sorta the definition of externalities.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: i'm going to go out on a limb and bet that battery is shot
ben_vulpes: mega problem with the resale value of the roadsters.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: derpy's gotta swim towards the usg-lifepreserver somehow
BingoBoingo: $up _FeltPen
deedbot: _FeltPen voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: Sorry if I appear rude. Encouragement doesn't translate well over text.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: and their value in general. maybe asciilifeform likes that leccy cars are 'cleaner' but $10k for a new battery pack every decade ? nothx.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: your petrol car easily eats 10k of usgolade every few yrs.
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> the elise, evora, exige do, yes. << Not Lotus cars. Last Lotus was the Model 7
asciilifeform: starting from the astonishingly available and quite subsidized (incl. via petrowar) fuel
_FeltPen: Bingo - you're fine, just at work too. damn phone keeps ringing.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i prefer to think of it as 'albertade' but ok. not like charging cars is phree.
pete_dushenski: didn't i recently link that piece about the exorbitant cost of public electric car charging stations ? and the lines that form waiting for them ?
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: compare cost per joule of your mains socket to petrol (in whatever locale) for some lulz.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: in a sane world, it would be petrol station that is a costly luxury.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i've done the math and i'll pay the marginal cost in exchange for filling up when i want, where i want, and everywhere between here and timbuktoo
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: that's like classism or something man
BingoBoingo: From "bitcoinist.net" betting picks "Although Woodley has shown some cardio issues in the past and does carry a lot of muscle mass that can produce fatigue, I think this fight will go over 2.5 rounds." << ROLFMAO
asciilifeform: point is that pete_dushenski is not exposed to anywhere near the actual cost of his ride.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: keep holding breath until sane world comes i guess.
asciilifeform: the printolade press - pays.
ben_vulpes: fuck that i'm going to take the shithead state for all it's worth.
ben_vulpes: i have 12 cylinders of hate that need to turn over twice a month.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: What, anyone who cares can build own "model 7" like car
asciilifeform: i also - have petrol car. with only 6cyl. but - apparently - fewer illusions?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Wait, what of yours has 12 cylinders?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: for as long as the usg provides for my externalizing onto its citizens, i will do so.
ben_vulpes: eight of hate. rhymes better.
pete_dushenski has 16 cylinders of powah
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: or bicycle for that matter
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski has what, marine diesel?
ben_vulpes: or is that cumulative
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nah pete is entering his ride in the tractor pull
ben_vulpes: cuz i got eighteen in total
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/201603/2018-bugatti-chiron-43_600x0w.jpg << 16 cyl. 4 turbos.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: yes, total.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: yours?
ben_vulpes: heh was actually looking at a trashcan nissan on craigslist the other day. someone wanted 7.5k for it.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: nah, i'm just yanking chains. twas 2x8cyl maths.
ben_vulpes: "for 7.5k i'd expect you bought the 2-turbo model, but can you check to see if it has 2 or 3? sometimes the factory bolted a spare on."
BingoBoingo: http://williamsbigbud.com/about-us/ << What pete_dushenski should ride. 16 cylinder 2-cycle engine!!!!!!!
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: but pictures bugatti is only production car that would fit the 16cyl bill
trinque: I have 32 cyl
trinque: in my cupboard
pete_dushenski: soup cans!
trinque: quick this one
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: point , earlier, was that cheap, ubiquitous petrol is every bit as usgtronic as the monsanto-midland-mcdonalds food supply system.
ben_vulpes: http://portland.craigslist.org/nco/cto/5699433828.html << "this car will help you get your peepee wet"
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: was rockefeller usgtronic ? i seem to recall him having bought and paid for congress, not the other way around.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: this is a new point in the logs?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1510843 << wotpaste plox, i don't havew that here.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-28 17:09 shinohai: mircea_popescu: final results from twitter campaign over 24 hr. http://ix.io/18ln
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: pshaw that's not even an engine
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: that's a sexy tractor if ever i've seen one.
ben_vulpes: “The engine, with a bore of 950 mm and a stroke of 3,460 mm, provides 6,870 kW/cylinder at 80 rpm and 21 bar MEP (in L1) and was introduced as a supplement to the successful S90ME-C9/10 engine types, allowing the engine to be further de-rated thanks to the larger cylinder bore and/or fewer cylinders to be installed.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: rockefeller's usa was a petro-exporter.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: 2-cycle so MEGA-engine!
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Seriously. 1 acre every minute!
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: mega indeed.
shinohai: mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/33ceeb02-97e8-4af6-a516-ecfdf8268a19/
ben_vulpes: could fit a few dependopotami on one of those cylinders
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1510847 << about same reason they go "someone shat in the elevator" instead of "Paul shat in the elevator" eh.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-28 18:06 asciilifeform: why do people do this.
_FeltPen: thx to whomever wrote the guide for tmsr. very helpful navigating this stuff.
mircea_popescu: which one ?
mircea_popescu: shinohai da fuck is this, an image or something ?
shinohai: screenshot so no doubt of veracity
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1510902 << this is a good point, actually. gotta be looked into, sealing gotta seal all the crevices.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-28 19:13 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1510893 << this is useful and necessary but, sad as it is to rain on parade: buildroot downloads 10,001 turds.
ben_vulpes: > b64 encoded screenshot of ascii dickbutt
mircea_popescu: shinohai i'll take your word for it, srs. dun need screenshots in ma pgp
_FeltPen: mircea - was "which one" directed at me by chance?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i'll do you one better: http://www.techtimes.com/articles/127346/20160125/ascii-version-matrix-worlds-oldest-still-active-torrent.htm
mircea_popescu: old skool bro.
_FeltPen: actually I mispoke. I meant BTC assets wiki (referred to wrong tab). Anyway, I'm having to refresh my memory on pgp and wot etc. I forgot how good it is.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-28 19:23 asciilifeform: unrelatedly, did this http://thewhet.net/2016/alcachofa-7515 ever appear here ?
ben_vulpes: are asciilifeform and i really the only ones with our own rss readers?
mircea_popescu: fwiw i can certify as to accuracy, this is an actual physical item she pointed out to me. we had coffee watching it.
asciilifeform: what item
mircea_popescu: the house.
mircea_popescu: watched them paint it a garish blue once. they ran out of paint, leaving a footlong section down the middle.
asciilifeform: orc sop.
ben_vulpes: http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwgr8ep4Gy1qlh1qpo1_500.jpg << mircea_popescu fodder from my personal feedz
asciilifeform: and there's roooom at the bottom: brazil awaits.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: bent mag is bent...
mircea_popescu: wassat ?
asciilifeform: and what's that strapped to her arm? 'my precious last round' ?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: critiques set detailing in pr0nz too no doubt
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know what "bullet" means to sluts yes ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: small vibrating thing?
a111: Logged on 2016-07-28 20:10 covertress: Greetings.
mircea_popescu: poor girl. i wonder what's the conclusion of average female after sticking finger in blender.
ben_vulpes: aw come now! she didn't lose a finger.
ben_vulpes: but come at me with "nobody knows youse lol" and see what happens.
mircea_popescu: pretty lulzy all through lol.
mircea_popescu: $rate covertress 1 Entertaining.
mircea_popescu: funny how there's always a "legion in the sky" at every powerless derp's beak and call. "THE REAL WORLD". orly ? what real world ?
mircea_popescu: $v DB7C81D483E8B0AC57FB384B64D7D3C11EFA2D1D2B23CB17F7E7FDC0F2B1FB5B
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated covertress 1 << Entertaining.
BingoBoingo: https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4v0v9k/someone_just_split_from_the_dao_and_drained_it/ https://archive.is/J2ZW4
mircea_popescu: o noes.
mircea_popescu: well, NOBODY HEARD OF IT so should be ok.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the guy with the binary search is pretty good lol.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-28 21:28 asciilifeform: laugh, but folks have made $millions on 'kickstarter' doing essentially this.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1511085 << there still isn't. this is like saying "before emperor took a shit in the soup bowl there was no turdsoup." sure, now there is, technically, but it still ain't soup in the sense, "i'd want to eat that". i dun think at any point the notion that if you tape many cellphone batteries together you get A LARGER BATTERY/firehazard.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-28 22:32 asciilifeform: fact is, prior to musk there were no electromobile with ~reasonable range.
mircea_popescu: but w/e, maybe im jaded.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1511094 << last i recall, it went exactly the other way around : electric car "great deal" because nobody actually bothers to point out the externalities. in fact, ANYTHING BUT PETROL car, ie, "methanol" green car, hydrogen car etc. same deal.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-28 22:37 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: petrol car only looks like a great deal because no one hangs you upside down and rubs yer nose in the externalities.
asciilifeform: these are petro products!
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1511097 << he doesn't know why he wants it ; but the larger thing that he's trying, unknowingly, to be, ie "mainstream media" thrives on anonimity because then greenwald, ie self-appointed derp of no value or importance, can ride on "anon" back all the way to the bank. it's a mental model that gets all the journawhores wet.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-28 22:37 pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1510950 << why would derpolodopolous assume that anyone wants anonimitee ? strange set of priors, this fella.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-28 22:38 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Maybe asking people to anon is his way of preserving his "name" so it doesn't drown in better names?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: 'undisclosed sources' aha.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-28 23:19 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1511085 << there still isn't. this is like saying "before emperor took a shit in the soup bowl there was no turdsoup." sure, now there is, technically, but it still ain't soup in the sense, "i'd want to eat that". i dun think at any point the notion that if you tape many cellphone batteries together you get A LARGER BATTERY/firehazard.
pete_dushenski: 'couldn't possibly reveal'!!!1
pete_dushenski: violates ethics, y'know.
mircea_popescu: yeah, the ethics of "i like to eat"
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: why do you keep throwing around 'sane' like it means what you want it to mean ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1511123 << not for a second. without usg, gas is ~25 cents at the pump. it FEEDS the usgolade, not eats from it.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-28 22:44 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: your petrol car easily eats 10k of usgolade every few yrs.
mircea_popescu: out of every gallon burned, car eats a quarter and usg seven.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: industries and markets are. ideas only wish to be.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: it means 'the well-known , effective, but wholly ignored Right Answer.'
mircea_popescu: i doubt it'd be effective. you'd end up with a nine ton car.
pete_dushenski: 9-tonner might be an issue for anyone 'sane' trying to maintain roads
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1511125 << srsly where do you come up with this shocking nonsense! bejaysus.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-28 22:45 asciilifeform: starting from the astonishingly available and quite subsidized (incl. via petrowar) fuel
mircea_popescu skips over the rest of that trollage.
asciilifeform: tally the costs of not having glassed saudi at the first sign of uppitiness.
mircea_popescu: the who to the what now ?
asciilifeform: and of the idiot gulf warz etc.
mircea_popescu: none of this is germane.
asciilifeform: the cost, to the rest of the planet, of those particular orcs remaining among the living.
asciilifeform: and sure whatever if you use the 'not germane because i say so, fuckyou' magic wand, can come up with whatever answer you like.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: Right Answer is like Right God, it's a very personal thing once you start to divorce its connection to terra firma.
mircea_popescu: dude. the cost of hiring a woman to scrub my floor is not "whatever plus the cost of keeping her from going to college and also running of to cuba w3hen she was 17"
mircea_popescu: this is not how opportunity costs work.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: NiFe cell is not my invention, but... edison's. read up.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: true - and also the elementary particle socialism is made of.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: and pray tell where i may read up on other sanities like http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1511130
a111: Logged on 2016-07-28 22:46 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: in a sane world, it would be petrol station that is a costly luxury.
asciilifeform: anything! is cheeeap! - if others pay.
pete_dushenski: ru scifi ?
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: do you imagine that your payment at he pump comes remotely close to covering the actual coat of the liquid dino?
asciilifeform: bleh, gotta switch machines
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: cost in what sense ? you want me to calculate cost of dead duck who flew into tailings pond ?
pete_dushenski: this is a slippery slope towards 'all lives are worth infinityplusone doll hairs'
asciilifeform: fughet 'lives'
asciilifeform: roll, e.g., simply the costs of there being such a thing as saudi arabia. if you like, ~solely~ of property damage from attributed explosions.
trinque: this is the fucking carbon credits argument
trinque: I am not here to pay for consequences like somebody's child, merely to buy a product
pete_dushenski knows he's been spending too much time in #trilema when it takes him four tries to spell conpherence with an 'f' for work proposal
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: saudi arabia doesn't enter into it. alberta, texas, and bakken do. unless you can explain this angle ?
pete_dushenski: trinque: alberta socialists just introduced 'carbon tax'. will be mild annoyance for next 3 years until repealed by righties next election.
ben_vulpes: nah pete_dushenski you gotta install a bouncer so that nobody knows when you're around or not, and as a consequence can't raise an eyebrow at 'too much time in #trilema'
trinque: they should introduce a meta-tax next, which is a tax which covers the cost (including pain and suffering) of the cockroach bureaucrats having to count the taxes
mircea_popescu: again : the 2 dollars paid at pump for a gallon of gas are split : $0.25 covers the entire economic process involved ; $1.75 goes to usg to pay for random idiocy du jour
trinque: not just their wage mind but the wage of all jobs they might have done otherwise
mircea_popescu: this isn't going away just because alf had a weird day.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: there are no eyebrows to raise at me!
pete_dushenski: trinque: chinese probably tried that already. a millennium ago or so.
ben_vulpes: someone musta shaved my forehead while i wasn't looking
mircea_popescu: there isn't "the cost of there being such a thing as saudi arabia". this isn't how costs work. and in general, this isn't fucking fiction.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: lol
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: or maybe your cat died and you never left pharoah's egypt after all
ben_vulpes: being in #trilema means being connected.
ben_vulpes: *and* voiced.
mircea_popescu: trinque i'd be happy with a boyhood tax. to quote the classics, three pennies to the gossip ; two to the lie and one for every two stupidities.
pete_dushenski: no opera for the gossiper
trinque: generous rate on the stupidities
BingoBoingo: $up b-a_alum
deedbot: b-a_alum voiced for 30 minutes.
hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1510942 << haha, cool. and no, i wouldn't be surprised if someone here finds it and harangues me for unauthorizedly publishing their exact history or w/e
a111: Logged on 2016-07-28 19:35 asciilifeform: ;;later tell hanbot 'alcachofa 7515' is mega-story. i can almost apprehend the sheer vacuum inside the argentine heads now!111
mircea_popescu: trinque 1880s rate, apud caragiale.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-28 23:34 trinque: I am not here to pay for consequences like somebody's child, merely to buy a product
trinque: not at fucking all.
trinque: you do not get to tally up the sum total of effect something has on the univese itself and try to derive a price from that
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1511290 << y'know, just because envirocrats impose tax on usaschwitz inmates, to pay for al gore's yachts - does not mean that externalities dun exist.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-28 23:34 trinque: this is the fucking carbon credits argument
asciilifeform: trinque: i get to tally the cost of unambiguously petro-related atrocities.
asciilifeform: not 'universe'.
trinque: cost and effect are not synonyms
asciilifeform: no amount of sophistry will get you folks out of this one. we pay the cost of burning dino every time we take breath, for instance.
asciilifeform: and it ~is~ a cost.
trinque: I wonder how many other idiot languages conflate monetary cost and "prevents alternate possible outcome"
trinque: probably all of them
trinque: as in, "the train wreck cost him his life"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1511256 << i eagerly await article explaining how $100 petrobarrel becomes $.25 litre
a111: Logged on 2016-07-28 23:23 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1511123 << not for a second. without usg, gas is ~25 cents at the pump. it FEEDS the usgolade, not eats from it.
trinque: that is not fucking monetary at all
asciilifeform: trinque: generally a deliberate bargain is implied - otherwise, 'living cost him his life'
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: $44 barrel nets $2 gallon at the pump. $100 barrel closer to $4 per gal at the pump.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu claims ~actual~ cost is ~25c, earlier.
pete_dushenski: when discussing proportions, it's essential to keep in mind what our priors are. don't be the vacuum thinking kid from the recent contravex comments
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: elaborate?
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2016/07/25/bumble-better-than-tinder-worse-than-go/#comment-48896 << this guy
asciilifeform: i dun get it?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: basically, costs and prices fluctuate and you can't just cherrypick historical numbers to suit your theory.
pete_dushenski: so bitcoin was once a buck. what of it ?
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: my original contention had nothing to do with a particular price.
pete_dushenski: but your latter contention did.
asciilifeform: but that ~nobody paid anything like the actual cost of his petro-ride at the pump, in half a century or so.
asciilifeform: the rest - socialized.
asciilifeform: and that this is just as loathesome as obummercare.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: why only in last half-century ? what changed ?
asciilifeform: saudi getting to pretend that they are people, and have ownership of their fossils?
asciilifeform: americans cancerously growing to the point where they import by the megatonne?
asciilifeform: largely these, afaik.
pete_dushenski: so non-people helping non-people... i fail to see the issue here. saudis have far more culture, however lamentable you may find it, than americanos.
pete_dushenski: structure, rules, hierarchy, the lot. saudis have. usians don't.
asciilifeform: what planet's usa did pete_dushenski visit..?
pete_dushenski: besides, everything alive grows to the point where it can't grow anymore.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: of the social form, not the 'we wrote this on a piece of paper and now it means things and we also made lots and lots of signs everywhere so that you never forget what we wrote on the pieces of paper'
pete_dushenski: the two are not of one kind.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: this entire thread reminds me of a uniquely-american, incidentally, pasttime: impassioned defense of the heathen imperial system of weights&measures
pete_dushenski: anyways, i have to beat this rainstorm heading my way. having left the 16cyls parked, cycling and all. i'll read the continuation in the logs but it'll be a few busy days until i'm voiced again.
asciilifeform: 'petro is mainstream, ubiquitous, easy, fuck off with the weird'
asciilifeform: 'gallon and inch forever'.
trinque: ey mod6 ^
asciilifeform: trinque: deedbot really ought not shit where it has nit eaten, imho.
trinque: it didn't.
trinque: this is in the logs.
asciilifeform: it evaled for 4 hrs?!
trinque: blockchain was a bit behind on the node, but yes, farts bundle URLs now
shinohai: Finally! been waiting on that for some time trinque lol
trinque: my observation is that my node will get behind, then rapidly catch up if restarted
trinque: I might find time to investigate why soon
asciilifeform: trinque: this comes from the idiot socket handler
asciilifeform: enemy can hog sockets and never let go
trinque: yeah, sounds about rihgt
asciilifeform: iirc i described this in detail some time last year.
asciilifeform bbl - playing with pet...
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: consider a bouncer. logins and self-voicings is unnecessary opsec bit-leakage.
ben_vulpes: "kindergarten opsec lessons!11!" as asciilifeform would say
ben_vulpes: to continue the exercise, for students, every time pete_dushenski is logged in and self-voiced, he may be assumed to be in physical proximity to his keys.
mod6: <+trinque> ey mod6 ^ << hey, thanks again trinque. o7
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> and it ~is~ a cost. << so far, it's "alf got drunk one day, went on an abstruse rant".
mircea_popescu: i eagerly await article explaining how $100 petrobarrel << i dunno what you think this sort of nonsense achieves. what in fact it achieves is "oh look, alf has nfi what stuff costs, but he wants to derp about how it works". it's a bad habit.
mircea_popescu: ~nobody paid anything like the actual cost << if you mean "the cost to make huge ferns, stuff them into earth, make oil", then yes. this is however no argument : nobody pays, nor could anyone ever pay, the "cost to re-do big bang".
mircea_popescu: want it or not, some level of denied externality is baked into life, not just human life bu life altogether. most people grok this point when contemplating lord kelivn's universal death idea.
BingoBoingo: In other news, some derp is dreaming about mustering enough miners to 51% the ethereum chain that didn't hardfork in a time travel theft. Idiot appears to be neglecting that much hash would make his chain vulnerable.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-29 01:19 mircea_popescu: want it or not, some level of denied externality is baked into life, not just human life bu life altogether. most people grok this point when contemplating lord kelivn's universal death idea.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511386 << argument concerned simple principle: if folks dun feel like counting gulf war I and II, and ~all~ wahabbi derpery, etc. as 'part of cost of petro', i can just as readily say that fukushima, chernobyl are 'not in the cost' of fission-power. etc
a111: Logged on 2016-07-29 01:16 mircea_popescu: i eagerly await article explaining how $100 petrobarrel << i dunno what you think this sort of nonsense achieves. what in fact it achieves is "oh look, alf has nfi what stuff costs, but he wants to derp about how it works". it's a bad habit.
asciilifeform: laugh at both, or neither, or you have unprincipled-exception.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1510902 << this is a good point, actually. gotta be looked into, sealing gotta seal all the crevices. << noted. I dug into this at one point, but got side tracked by other pressing things that came up at the time.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-28 19:13 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1510893 << this is useful and necessary but, sad as it is to rain on parade: buildroot downloads 10,001 turds.
mod6: I'm trying to remember the specifics. I can't seem to recall too much about it.
mod6: I'd have to dig through the logs. I'll turn my attention to that at some point soon after I get an updated build script out there.