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BingoBoingo: What every redditor wants, hell https://archive.is/MbTCA
mats: i presume they're plugged into an external battery, since the thing eats power like a motherfucker?
mats: (i refer to the white cables in the first photo)
BingoBoingo: I kinda wonder why they don't sew a mesh into themselves and use their Beetus as a fuel cell to charge phone.
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 422048 | Current Difficulty: 2.1349250110751337E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 423359 | Next Difficulty In: 1311 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 9 hours, 42 minutes, and 51 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all --currency rmb
gribble: BTCChina BTCRMB last: 4359.69, vol: 79837.58440000 | Volume-weighted last average: 4359.69
mats: couple of my female coworkers actually cry at work
mats: it's awkward
mats: and obviously attention seeking
shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/16VX
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: whoa. ethereum chain is committing warfare.
shinohai: or "lol, warfare"
thestringpuller: All the ether and DAO huffers were like, "We are just doing this cause we have no other choice! We have to fork cause Vitalik told us Ethereum dies if we dont!"
thestringpuller: okay so they fork but still try to keep the moral high ground
thestringpuller: Then they begin to attack the competing chain, so where is the moral high ground now?
thestringpuller: so i just realized something
thestringpuller: the dao attacker can now even the playing field
thestringpuller: if poloniex opens up margin trading between ETH/ETC pairs
thestringpuller: dao attacker would just short normal ethereum
thestringpuller: damn what a mess. exactly what we predicted would happen in a hard fork.
shinohai: trb users unaffected
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-24#1509470 << this is pretty bad news, innit. just like for any other criminal gang.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-24 03:22 deedbot: [Qntra] Miami Man Shot By Police With Hands Up, Survives - http://qntra.net/2016/07/miami-man-shot-by-police-with-hands-up-survives/
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-24#1509486 << "daily cry at work" ? "due" to "burnout" ? fire the fucking hr department from head to toe. wtf are they thinking hiring all the border sleeves.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-24 07:07 BingoBoingo: http://gomerblog.com/2015/03/burnout/
mircea_popescu: "Charles informed me that my name is mud on something called reditt, a big reposting site." << lol nb.
mircea_popescu: "This year, so far, I have completed and published 36 titles and hope to wrap up eight more next month." << da fuck ? what's at work here, does he title his paragraphs individually ? there's enough articles to fill maybe half a book, is he not publishing most of his material ?
mircea_popescu: what are these titles, pdf files ?
mircea_popescu: oh i get it, guy's excited that http://www.jameslafond.com/?f=site ie, most traffix since we've started linking him. people and numbers, be they random or anything else.
thestringpuller: in other lulz, Emin Gün Sirer, has gone full derp now. Tweets: "Anyone can fork any chain at any time."
mircea_popescu: tell him i'll fork his ugly goatherding mother.
mircea_popescu: fucking idiots.
mircea_popescu: "8. The police are more likely to attack black suspects than whites. Untrue. [Look, Tyrone 4 times as many pale faces are killed by pigs every year than are blacks." << this is a broken argument. if there's one baby and a hundred sluts and the police kills one baby and one slut, it is therefore fair to say the police is more likely to attack babies than sluts.
mircea_popescu: there's only 1/9 or so black dudes around in the us, prolly even less seeing how illegals are mostly non black and blacks don't have enough skillz to even be illegal in the first place. so then 1/4 ain't enough.
mircea_popescu: 9 is nonsense also, but too complicated sociology involved to be worth the stating.
thestringpuller: that's an interesting point. how is it that blacks are shot more often than their majority counterparts?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-24#1509470 << this is pretty bad news, innit. just like for any other criminal gang. << Honestly this one kinda seems intentional for the social engineering value
a111: Logged on 2016-07-24 03:22 deedbot: [Qntra] Miami Man Shot By Police With Hands Up, Survives - http://qntra.net/2016/07/miami-man-shot-by-police-with-hands-up-survives/
BingoBoingo: Has aspies, black man named Charles, too many lulz almost to be purely coincidental
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller because they're poorer, which makes them more frequently be in the kill zone (do man-hours spent being a ghetto prop for each pop and see) ; and cowardlier, which makes them more frequently misproject their threat footprint. (ie, whites carry concealed or discreetly, loaded weapons ; blacks carry visibly and loudly unloaded, often not even functional, or useful weapons - cue the derp with the assault rifle in
mircea_popescu: the bathroom.)
mircea_popescu: all in all i'd guess 1/4 is just about fair, really, but from this level of zoom-out the queen of england seems somewhat hot and hilary clinton seems like she might have a chance.
BingoBoingo: Actually I though the stats came out and blacks WEREN'T shot more often. Now they were beat more often and suffered every other many of humiliation far more often, but the rate of shooting was the same.
mircea_popescu: i didn't really follow the matter. maybe.
BingoBoingo: Someone actually did the numbers on shootings over some period of time. Poor white males get shot most, as they always have been.
mircea_popescu: and forever should be.
deedbot: [Qntra] Major Huffing Exchange To Trade Tokens From Surviving, Time Traveling Theft Free, Side Of Split - http://qntra.net/2016/07/major-huffing-exchange-to-trade-tokens-from-surviving-time-traveling-theft-free-side-of-split/
mircea_popescu: re that : imagine the lulz when a) turns out the miners attack the "good" fork ; and b) the legal liability on the head of mit discussed yesterday STILL DOESNT GO AWAY.
mircea_popescu waves at asciilifeform, now i'll forever reference http://trilema.com/to-the-dao-and-the-ethereum-community-fuck-you as "that article that cost me 50mn to write, according to alf's data."
thestringpuller: looks like the classic chain is picking up hashpower. difficulty is skyrocketing.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no but he gotta learn the importance of giving the idiots time to invest themselves in the wrong side of the dispute.
mircea_popescu: obv next week it'll be all "oh we never said eth fork worked and therefore bitcoin should blablabla". BUT
mircea_popescu: what they say only matters when it hurts them.
mircea_popescu: that's why it's called "legal proceedings"
BingoBoingo: Deese Der Derp Days Durr Derp Lives
thestringpuller: i attribute this to lack of patience. everyone jumps the gun, instead of "wait and see approach". The Silicon Valley approach to "move quick and break thigns as long as you make fake money" seems to be infecting the entire world.
thestringpuller: meanwhile "NO ONE COULD HAVE PREDICTED!!!!!!!!!!111"
thestringpuller: when it was over a year ago
BingoBoingo: Which is all fine when its your own things but when you tell other people you are doing this thing to their things it gets messy
mircea_popescu: nah, it's a very strict "look at the upside only" nonsense, which is what passes for "critical thinking" in the usg concentration camp. and HAS TO, it's not that usg is evil, is that the stupidity of the muppets in a socialist state IS REQUIRED. they MUST only see the upside, else their entire nonsensical "State" stops working.
mircea_popescu: this however leaves them very fucking exposed, because they wet panties over "oh, hard fork ethereum will set such great example!!1eleven". it will. for whom ?
mircea_popescu: that's where "nobody could have predicted" cuts in : nobody THAT WAS A GOOD SOCIALIST DERP could have predicted, because in order to be a socialist derp it is verboten to consider the downside. of anything.
mircea_popescu: because if you do consider undersides, socialism becomes a laughable proposition. but if you don't... why, best system evar!
thestringpuller: reminds me of an article I read about "successful people" and that when you read a success story you only read about their successes, not their failures. the avoidance of failure in this culture is profound.
thestringpuller: to the point i think people actually dress up failure as "success"
mircea_popescu: if it were avoidance of failuire per se, at least it'd be something. but it is avoidance OF THE REPRESENTATION of failure. it's not that they try not to fail ; they try to not think about failing in any way.
mircea_popescu: a cognitive misprocess which virtually ensures failure.
mircea_popescu: nobody ever succeeded yet in the history of human life but by avoiding failing.
thestringpuller: aha. so more of the embracing of failure (if it so happens), and learning from it.
mircea_popescu: no, more of "fuck, if we try a fork and we get overrun we're fucked - not only the legal mess we're in doesn't improve, but we lose control altogether"
thestringpuller: oh yea. in this scenario it seems like there were many decisions made without evaluating potential aftermath.
mircea_popescu: how do they get married ? "oh, wouldn't this woman be hot if she were hot ?" "she's a neurotic mess, and unable to stand on her own" "yes but IF!"
mircea_popescu: how do they buy a house ? "oh wouldn't this be a great house if it were a great house ?" "you don't get title, the credit terms are insane, the interest is massively overpriced, you give away all negotiating position and the house is a shitfarm in a shithole" "YES BUT IF!"
thestringpuller: hey! if the streets can teach you anything it should be, "you can't turn a ho into a housewife"
mircea_popescu: how do they do anything they do ?
mircea_popescu: The bad thing about television is that everybody you see on television is doing something better than what you're doing. Did you ever see anybody on TV like just sliding off the front of the sofa with potato chip crumbs on their face? Some people have a little too much fun on television: the soda commercial people - where do they summon this enthusiasm? Have you seen them? "We have soda, we have soda, we have soda", jumping,
mircea_popescu: laughing, flying through the air - it's a can of soda. Have you ever been standing there and you're watching TV and you're drinking the exact same product that they're advertising right there on TV, and it's like, you know, they're spiking volleyballs, jetskiing, girls in bikinis and I'm standing there - "Maybe I'm putting too much ice in mine."
mircea_popescu: the "marketing educated mind".
mircea_popescu: hence memes - the natural byproduct of the MEM.
thestringpuller: oh god, now I'm going to go on a seinfeld bender.
BingoBoingo: "They are dumb and giving you free water. I would make a wetlands, build a pond, or divert it all to a new garden. I'd also threaten to sue and demand they fund said project. That way you get a water source and a new garden installation."
BingoBoingo: "I get your point, but I'm in central North Carolina where we generally don't have water shortage problems, and I don't really want my side yard to become a swamp and mosquito breeding ground. "
a111: Logged on 2016-07-24 15:46 mircea_popescu waves at asciilifeform, now i'll forever reference http://trilema.com/to-the-dao-and-the-ethereum-community-fuck-you as "that article that cost me 50mn to write, according to alf's data."
mircea_popescu: that is a very unhelpful error message.
asciilifeform: cost 50m << еггог: ???
mircea_popescu: you forgot yest's discussion re this thing ? fine, ill dig it up
a111: Logged on 2016-07-20 15:10 asciilifeform: why bother with the etherape thing only to release the mouse, still alive and well, from the mousetrap later ?
asciilifeform: ah ok yes
asciilifeform: the specific number tripped me
mircea_popescu: it's the official value attached to the entirely worthless bundle of tokens in question.
asciilifeform avoided knowing this, somehow, possibly because the fictional figure in question got gc'd in my head as soon as it entered
mircea_popescu: actually thestringpuller has a decent piece on some other scamcoin explaining how this "per token value with a cap" works. what was it called, steaming-pile-of-shit ? something like this.
mircea_popescu: "worth a dollar each up to a total of fiddy bucks ; there's ten million circulating"
mircea_popescu: if you recall the workings of "ration cards" during famine, you pretty much got the whole scheme of this "technological advance"
asciilifeform never actually believed in stock valuations, either of good or evil; they are like the voltage on a dead lithium battery, put on a real load and it --> 0 quickly
mircea_popescu: ancient chinese tech.
mircea_popescu: battery actually excellent model. "this provides 10kV, for a total 0.1VA energy draw"
asciilifeform: ~every watch battery that hits the junkyard has still ~nominal voltage.
mircea_popescu: battery altogether a good model for money in the general.
asciilifeform: mr mold even, knew this
mircea_popescu: yeh, it's textbook classical economics theory.
a111: Logged on 2014-11-07 18:55 asciilifeform: 'One metaphor for monetization is that of a storage vessel, like a battery for electricity or a tank for compressed gas. When people buy into the currency, they are charging the battery and compressing the tank. When they sell out, they are discharging the battery. When new currency is created (perhaps by alchemists) without a buy-in, the tank has sprung a leak. Etc. The charge, or the pressure, is simply the
asciilifeform: in other noose,
asciilifeform: 'I wish them both success in their struggle, but hold out little hope that either side will gain the upper hand. Instead, they will fumble at each other until the fools of this nation finally take one side or the other and demand a federal police force. By then, if I’m still around I’ll be getting attacked by Dindus while I hobble along on my cane and then get tazed by federal pigs for the crime of caning the sacred martyr race of
asciilifeform: ^ lafond. gets it.
asciilifeform: $s gendarmerie
a111: 39 results for "gendarmerie", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=gendarmerie
ben_vulpes: aaand unrelatedly san fernando valley is burning!
asciilifeform: also no qntra or logz mention of the german snackbar?
ben_vulpes: trinque mentioned the german
ben_vulpes: actually that was in #trinquelantis now that i think on it
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: talking about the kid with the axe or the shooters?
asciilifeform: the latter
mircea_popescu: lmao the ethereum reddit is pretty lulzy. O NOES!!11
ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, a taster of something sitting on my workshop floor: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/a2110310-f277-4fbf-809f-294f9bd10c3d/
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i recall you mentioned this experiment a while ago
asciilifeform: making a block-viewer thing?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: primarily interested in modeling the blockchain succinctly in sql. various webthingers will be a natural product.
ben_vulpes: (above has various oopsies, f.ex "previous block" should be a self-fk to blocks)
asciilifeform: hopefully ben_vulpes doesn't need this thing to work in real time.
asciilifeform: sql-anything is snail-slow.
asciilifeform: (by bitcoin standards, where the number of queries per second is not under your control)
mircea_popescu: actually this is pretty valid research ground for fixing sql.
ben_vulpes: nah, this isn't for block validation or anything.
ben_vulpes: but i am going to look into what indexing on transaction hash does to both disk utilization and lookup speed.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: when you say "queries per second", you mean during block validation?
asciilifeform: tx and block
asciilifeform: (mempool also validates)
thestringpuller: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-24#1509605 << If editor in chief doesn't want to cover it himself, I'll take a whack at it later today. Looks like more scoop is developing tho (shooter bought gun from darknet with bitcion etc. etc.)
a111: Logged on 2016-07-24 17:19 asciilifeform: also no qntra or logz mention of the german snackbar?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> also no qntra or logz mention of the german snackbar? << At this point I'm combing for reaction lulz
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: I've got this storm on the weather beat.
BingoBoingo: Just waiting to stumble into the right detail.
phf: it probably shouldn't count the query itself?
mircea_popescu: phf i thought about that. if it doesn't, it should really simply ignore $s lines when searching. the problem is that sometimes searches carry metasyntactic value.
mircea_popescu: best leave it as is, human user ignores the $s if he wants to
BingoBoingo: Also at some point someone may build a bash again and need to find all the $b
shinohai: trbbot: bash 5
shinohai: hmmm
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: How do people seriously expect to trade on such a laggy piece of shit?
mircea_popescu: "people" "seriosuly" "trade".
mircea_popescu: anyway, laggy because victim of its own success, what with the latest lulz.
BingoBoingo: Not laggy because traffic. I mean laggy because of all the fucking widgets that have nothing to do with ordering.
mircea_popescu: ah. heh.
BingoBoingo: Given how shitty the typical www browser is I wonder how the average suburban US pinoy can enter an order without crashing
mircea_popescu: there must be an app for that.
mircea_popescu: "At this point the Dindu game is so much more sophisticated than the Pig game, one is tempted to surmise that federal operatives are advising the Dindu cadres." <<< that one is so tempted only speaks of the mangina-tastic quality of that one. really, so married to the belief that there's a meta-nsa in the sky, that all quality automatically gotta be allocated to IT ?
mircea_popescu: not how this game works.
shinohai: ^ lo
mircea_popescu: and since we're doing "obscure nobodies from the fiat-aspie side" for altogether unclear reasons, http://lockhartsteele.com/blog/
mircea_popescu: (vox editor in chief)
mircea_popescu: absolutely no comments/interest whatsoever from anyone, of course, much like "gotham girl" joanne wilson, much like just about each and every one of the paper hopes pushing crowd.
mircea_popescu: so it kinda feels charitable to link them.
thestringpuller: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/1722
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: and in further lulz re http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-24#1509652 i've just had it pointed out that the string "Who were the idiots who valued this scam at $9B and what responsibility do they bear? An experiment, by its very ..." which leads the google description of item 4 (experiment and scandal - AVC) is not actually present on the page.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-24 18:46 mircea_popescu: oh an' in other lulz, https://archive.is/DHCOs
mircea_popescu: supposedly this is how spamblogs get banned by google, or something.
shinohai: thestringpuller: inching to #5 on coinmarketcap xD
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Eh, kind of a maybe. ALso seems like there could be some missing zeroes
mats: i don't see what poloniex and bitfinex have to gain by including 'ethereum classic' along with 'ethereum'
mats: what am i missing here
mats: even under the mp premise that there is no real money in play here - dueling forks cannot possibly go well for public idiot confidence in the scheme
BingoBoingo: The part where they had the classic ethereum anyways and likely wanted to head off the pain in court by giving the tokens to the victims they tried to steal them from when they first decided to pretend the tokens didn't exist.
BingoBoingo: It's not that they have anything to gain. It is that they desperately need to clean this wound before everyone smells them going septic.
deedbot: [Qntra] France And Germany Bond Over Mass Killings - http://qntra.net/2016/07/france-and-germany-bond-over-mass-killings/
BingoBoingo: ^ asciilifeform I guess the absence of aftermath details is the lulz
deedbot: [Qntra] On Eve Of Convention Democrats Rewriting History Of Their Party - http://qntra.net/2016/07/on-eve-of-convention-democrats-rewriting-history-of-their-party/
deedbot: [Qntra] On Eve Of National Convention Democratic Party Ousts Chair - http://qntra.net/2016/07/on-eve-of-national-convention-democratic-party-ousts-chair/
BingoBoingo: Never could have predicted that despite all the "summer of forks" bluster that everything but Bitcoin would be devastated by forks and coup attempts.
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 422133 | Current Difficulty: 2.1349250110751337E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 423359 | Next Difficulty In: 1226 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 5 hours, 13 minutes, and 59 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 662.14, vol: 1342.90026045 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 652.118, vol: 3066.33545 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 660.63, vol: 13951.03119647 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 660.100805, vol: 80059.23270000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 661.778, vol: 851.25997066 | Volume-weighted last average: 659.970565465
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-24#1509621 << i missed this, but it deserves a response. the idea of 'fixing' here is a misconception, because using a non-purposebuilt db is precisely the problem, and intrinsically sucks, consider the miseries of bdb - barely works for the task
asciilifeform: the correct answer, from the twin standpoints of reliability and fits-in-head - is bitcoinfs.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-24#1509650 << to suppose that the untermenschen have help, say, from the same folks who moved them into the american cities , squeezing out the catholics in carefully planned and methodical war, to begin with - is not unreasonable.
asciilifeform: visit bmore, ask the embattled polacks
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Aha, St Louis and Chicago also have embattled polacks
asciilifeform: the irish are through?
asciilifeform: or also there
asciilifeform: phf: log dead?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Around these parts Irish are largely assimilated into larger class of "white folk"
BingoBoingo: Chicago may have "Irish" but since St Louis's settled in south city interbred with other palefaces readily, same with Italians. Poles though settled in North City.
mircea_popescu: mats> what am i missing here << generally, one has to gain his own skin.
mats: no idea what that means
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all --currency gbp
gribble: Bitstamp BTCGBP last: 503.4837, vol: 1397.12872283 | BTC-E BTCGBP last: 498.9135, vol: 3067.54065 | BTCChina BTCGBP last: 503.9142, vol: 79571.72090000 | Kraken BTCGBP last: 520.488, vol: 32.23028802 | Volume-weighted last average: 503.730931427
BingoBoingo: "The patient sued the physician assistant and the supervising physician. During discovery, the PA testified that he had considered the diagnosis of compartment syndrome, but had never seen a case of compartment syndrome in his career."
BingoBoingo: ^ No One Could Have Predicted!
BingoBoingo: No One Could Have Predicted an injury common to athletes could have happened to someone competing in an athletics
mircea_popescu: phf ding ding
phf: :>
phf: i'm on a vacation in Seattle, but there's no way i'm coming back from vacation without a working bot restart
mircea_popescu: reignited bromantic passion ahahaha
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-24#1509681 << what's unreasonable is the religious belief that the drowning man is in a position to teach the bird flight.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-24 21:53 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-24#1509650 << to suppose that the untermenschen have help, say, from the same folks who moved them into the american cities , squeezing out the catholics in carefully planned and methodical war, to begin with - is not unreasonable.
mod6: So tried out a few different things with signing the artifacts:
mod6: 1. made base64 encodings with `uuencode -m`
mod6: 2. used `gpg --armor --sign`
mod6: it turns out that the base64 encodings are ~5-10k bytes larger, it's pretty close, but it's nice with the `gpg --armor --sign` since you can verify and extract all in one step.
mod6: I had shinohai and trinque both check my signed files and they confirm that it looks good (i tested on a variety of env's myself)
mod6: So was thinking, make these four as deeds, then create a follow on deed that is a disclaimer that references the four artifact deeds - stating that the archive extracted will have the following hashes and that my signature doesn't declare that I have written or read the code. Something to that effect.
mod6: Think that sounds ok?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> reignited bromantic passion ahahaha << Well Merkel might have many things, but one of them is not going to be "romance" unless preceeded by the letter b
BingoBoingo: From the mines: "Why do fat women always think theyre the ones being cat called on the side walk? Ive always been teeny tiny.. somehow with a big rack and no ass (i call it my lack there of or white girl 90's butt). Ive always been hollared at. I dont mind, I actually like it but everytime Im with a beefalo (which is rare) and positive attention is given they are repulsed and act offended. Like bitch that hobo was asking me to s his d no
BingoBoingo: t you... no one wants you!"
mircea_popescu: mod6 how do you add comment with armor ?
mircea_popescu: no good with the "reference" the thing, because you can get the thing without the reference, see ?
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 how do you add comment with armor ? << yeah, there'd be no comment in the gpg armor'd artifacts. this would only be possible with using the uuencoded archives, placing a comment in the top, and then clearsigning the whole thing.
mod6: which, was my first trial. the only thing about this approach is that then to extract (uudecode), one must strip out the clearsigning text as well as the comment. not horrible, just an extra step.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> no good with the "reference" the thing, because you can get the thing without the reference, see ? << very much agree.
mod6: i'll prepare them in this way, and re-discuss when i have 'em. probably in a day or two.
mod6: thanks for your input!
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