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mod6: i was able to get that 0.001 to the foundation into 420`000 :]
mod6: trb
mircea_popescu: wd
mircea_popescu: and in other sporting news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/4c97af0cb1fb835cc74215ee148a40d7/tumblr_nes7haFmxI1tmpumko1_500.jpg
hanbot: http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/#comment-118023 << mats mircea_popescu & anyone else following the courts circus awarding thingie.
mircea_popescu: that's a new one
mod6: right?
hanbot: well it *is* halving day
mod6: haha
BingoBoingo: The best jokes have a price
shinohai: 01:01 +BingoBoingo AH, what would halving day be without a netsplit! <<<bwahahaha
shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/12ld
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: 'Investigators were digging into Johnson’s military history and are seeking to corroborate reports that he was sent home from Afghanistan after a woman lodged a complaint of sexual harassment against him in 2014, another federal law enforcement official said.'
mats: o good
mats: i'd like to see the documents related to his other than honorable discharge
mats: i think i can look at the transcript of the courts martial if i submit a foia
Framedragger: woohoo re. ssh keys :) good stuff. lol @ teh dsl provider.
mats: lol he lived with his mother
BingoBoingo: mats: So did Adam Lanza
deedbot: [Qntra] Meh Of The Week: Coinbase Can't Serve Canada - http://qntra.net/2016/07/meh-of-the-week-coinbase-cant-serve-canada/
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 640.86, vol: 3708.76598623 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 627.101, vol: 4856.0405 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 641.33, vol: 35638.29162886 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 664.66, vol: 0.22444484 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 645.093995, vol: 33620.95050000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 643.0, vol: 1384.80978332 | Volume-weighted last average: 642.062583131
shinohai: ty BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: yw,no ty
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-09#1500427 <<< so great are the lulz that they compare themselves to BArmstrong, who can't sell pretend Bitcoin to Pete.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-09 20:43 summerverbose: somewhere inbetween Dooglus and Brian Armstrong
shinohai: http://archive.is/Kozmr <<< is 7 hrs for *full* bc ?
mircea_popescu: so did steve jobs
mircea_popescu: shinohai the disadvantage of making popular things is that you become part of the "X like Y" mill.
mircea_popescu: the reason there isn't a "the northrop derpmann of toasters" is just that happenstance.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> the reason there isn't a "the northrop derpmann of toasters" is just that happenstance. << There totally is. I will totally make a stealth toaster for anyone who brings pays 2.5 billion USD per unit straight from the printer.
BingoBoingo: Offer valid through October 2016
mircea_popescu: isn't it supposed to ding when your stealthoast is ready ?
BingoBoingo: Ding isn't very stealthy
mircea_popescu: ikr.
BingoBoingo: Also can't expose it to sunlight or heat lest stealth material start breaking down.
mircea_popescu: so it's for hunting spherical vacuum chickens ?|
BingoBoingo: Nah, its for toasting. Just not around Serbs (they'll shoot it down)
BingoBoingo: Determining what it will toast though is another 5 billion USD in development fees paid in advance.
mircea_popescu: lol
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-10#1500678 << heh you make it sound as though pete is buyer numba one of imaginary bitcoinz
a111: Logged on 2016-07-10 14:56 shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-09#1500427 <<< so great are the lulz that they compare themselves to BArmstrong, who can't sell pretend Bitcoin to Pete.
shinohai: i was just ribbing pete for being Canadian
shinohai: No one wants Bryancoinz
asciilifeform: $s BArmstrong
a111: 3 results for "BArmstrong", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=BArmstrong
asciilifeform: who the hell was that
mircea_popescu: you know what a barn is right ?
mircea_popescu: barm similar, measure of bogon radioactivity.
asciilifeform: l0l!
mircea_popescu: hence the english "are you barmy ?"
asciilifeform: bogon cross-section!111
asciilifeform: (for n00bz: 'barn'
asciilifeform: is unit of area
mircea_popescu: 10 ^ -28 sqm
asciilifeform: originates with manhattan project, and american expression 'ya can't hit the broad side of a barn')
deedbot: [Qntra] Derp Summit At Bretton Woods Begins Today - http://qntra.net/2016/07/derp-summit-at-bretton-woods-begins-today/
asciilifeform: 'This collaboration will produce a model for bitcoin and blockchain-based companies that also addresses the concerns of regulatory entities.' << l0l!!
mircea_popescu: right. amusing how they carefully omit the only thing that matters in that sentence, the expression "YET ANOTHER" right before "model".
mircea_popescu: but by all means, keep pretendin' you're in control, twerps.
asciilifeform: but hey! this time they will use the magic of the magic forest!111
BingoBoingo: ANd they will all sit in a circlejerk and ski the dicks next to them
mircea_popescu: ah okthen.
mircea_popescu: that is totally not like how it went before.
BingoBoingo: Well that's how 1944 Bretton Woods work, through the bond created by touching all those other people's dicks.
BingoBoingo: Either that or Hitler really did get all the Jews
BingoBoingo: Or all the mercantile ones leaving just the depressing entertainer ones
mircea_popescu: he got the good ones
mircea_popescu: that's the fucking scary thing there - he got all the good jews, leaving some shitty jews to fill the void. it's ~exactly what the usg did to the us : killed the competent mobsters, now there's inexplicable problems.
mircea_popescu: in similar autoimmune-disorders-that-destroyed-countries, stalin wiped the russian mob ; inexplicably hruscev couldn't get the economy going, not ever again.
mircea_popescu: life.
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 420158 | Current Difficulty: 2.133989253313239E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 421343 | Next Difficulty In: 1185 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 15 hours, 29 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
shinohai: "I've made 4 sales, but one was to myself" http://archive.is/IsqUn
mircea_popescu: how the fuck is open bazaar "a young platform" ffs.
mircea_popescu: it's been around almost as long as "colored coins", which incidentally, where the fuck did those go.
mircea_popescu: don't tell me these idiocies DO actually die eventually.
BingoBoingo: They die in the same sense a dandelion "dies" when you pull it up with your hands. There's going to be a bit of herproot left and it may take a while, but it will return.
mircea_popescu: wunderbar.
BingoBoingo: Gotta remember idiocy lives in the dirt
BingoBoingo: If you cant see it at the moment it just hasn't gathered enough Nitardgen and phosboorous to attempt another surfacing yet
mircea_popescu: barmy.
BingoBoingo: Also like dandelions if you spray them with enough triclopyr to injur but not kill them, they will exhibit neoteny when they resurface.
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2016/07/pokemon-go-ushers-in-new-phase-of-smartphone-surveillance/#comment-63652
deedbot: [Qntra] "Pokemon Go" Ushers In New Phase Of Smartphone Surveillance - http://qntra.net/2016/07/pokemon-go-ushers-in-new-phase-of-smartphone-surveillance/
shinohai: heh
shinohai: ;;later tell trinque is there available a dump of deedbot wot? thanks in advance.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: cute little love notes in 420000
trinque: $wot
deedbot: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/4eae0503-b4bc-4312-a142-e88385da67e8/
trinque: shinohai: ^
shinohai: ty!
mircea_popescu: that shit's so cool, you know ?
mircea_popescu: "hey, is there obscure item x ?" "$obscure-x"
mircea_popescu: smokin'.
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-09#1500372 << yeah ok, good point..
a111: Logged on 2016-07-09 17:31 BingoBoingo: <Framedragger> (some nice dump and pump BTCUSD volume it seems; curious how the price moves in the hours/days to come) << Watch not days, but months
deedbot: [Trilema] Eulorangement - http://trilema.com/2016/eulorangement/
mircea_popescu: $rated Framedragger
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated Framedragger 1 at 2016/05/18 09:29:41 << old timer
mircea_popescu: $rated Framedragger 2 Le ssh!
deedbot hands you a broomstick.
mircea_popescu: $rate Framedragger 2 Le ssh!
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/b61b2d3a-51e3-4fb7-b2b1-ae0f1032679b/
mircea_popescu: hater!
mircea_popescu: $v A34333A25A35DF2F9D5C6EB387554A65366294DDB7CCB01DEB4FB053DEA66D36
deedbot: mircea_popescu updated rating of Framedragger from 1 to 2 << Le ssh!
Framedragger: heheh, cheers
Framedragger unsure how to rate mp, so will wait for the time being. "smart guy, runs things, unsure whether instrumentally delusional or i'm just failing to cognize fully"
Framedragger: "or both"
mircea_popescu plans to keep this dilemma going.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2016/06/tim-swanson-misunderstanda-reality-again/ << is that a memoranda of misunderstanda ?
mircea_popescu: hawk "it's" immitation...
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I mispelled the title initially, so url is mispelled forever even with title fixd
mircea_popescu: you can also fix the url.
mircea_popescu: wp (at least, mp-wp) will forever 304 the old requests to the new
BingoBoingo: Ah, but url integritit is important
mircea_popescu: i recently blew up a trilema title, someone pointed this out in the log, you can check the thing working there.
mircea_popescu: aite.
BingoBoingo: And anyways there's prolly a joke in ther that would be hampered if url was fxd
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-10#1500536 << yeah, hm. suggestions? a non-ad-hoc solution would be to make deedbot split its irc lines as needed i suppose; or for this particular case, not to mention the comment in the gpg key if it's too long, or to truncate it; or to consider shorter gpg comments for these ssh keys in the future i guess..
a111: Logged on 2016-07-10 00:15 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-09#1500500 << no good. cuts off url
mircea_popescu: trinque how hard would it be for deedbot to put a \n before any url if the message would be cut in the url otherwise ?
deedbot: [Qntra] WAPO: Major US Socialist Party To Deploy Electoral Nuclear Option In Desperation - http://qntra.net/2016/07/wapo-major-us-socialist-party-to-deploy-electoral-nuclear-option-in-desperation/
ben_vulpes: no link to the wapost?
ben_vulpes: ah no, it's archived. my b
BingoBoingo: Yeah, why would I link directly to zher
BingoBoingo: http://oglaf.com/indoorfun/
shinohai: ---END OGLAFBOT MSG---
BingoBoingo: lol
shinohai: Qntra should have a Sunday comics section
jurov: re:oglaf - what does mircea_popescu do with the skulls?
asciilifeform: i always picture ashtray
asciilifeform: like stalin did.
mircea_popescu: isn't that what hitler said ? "what stalin did" ?
mircea_popescu: and in other highschool news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/6becb08236dc42fd03aba43304f8027d/tumblr_nr2yxmUYjH1r4hgvyo1_400.gif
asciilifeform: i dun recall hitler sayin' much in his ashtray form.
deedbot: [Daniel P. Barron] My Favorite EBBITS - http://danielpbarron.com/2016/my-favorite-ebbits/
BingoBoingo: In nearly forgoten news, qntra is now at 1301 poasts
asciilifeform switched 'can haz box?' exploration from bmore monkey zoo to woods, log cabins, etc.
BingoBoingo: Ah, congrats
asciilifeform: doubt it will come to any useful result, but worth the periodic try.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quote in der untergang, "alle hoheren offiziere liquidieren zu lassen, wie stalin!!!1"
asciilifeform: l0lk
jurov: no mention of Hirndeckel disposition?
mircea_popescu: no mention.
mircea_popescu: tho it is recorded most polish can be found at katyn
asciilifeform: phun phakt: there is a titanic katyn memorial thing in bmore
mircea_popescu: classically. modernly, where did they scatter that plane ? smolensk was it ?
asciilifeform: the one with the drunken, belligerent president ?
asciilifeform: or which
asciilifeform: (in pl circles, incident often referred to as 'katyn II')
mircea_popescu: president, most of the general staff, natl bank president, ex president, etc
asciilifeform: aha, putin's bad-weather rayz.
asciilifeform: great weapon.
mircea_popescu: i dunno man. seemed at the time and still seems today like polish suicide.
BingoBoingo: I'd rather my polish have a bit more grit than that.
jurov: http://imgur.com/I2GsQGE just saw today :)
jurov: "homoimperium" sounds like something i'd want to move in
danielpbarron: ;;later tell mircea_popescu gpg-gram : http://danielpbarron.com/church.asc.txt
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron good work. so the practical question here is, would you be personally interested in running a us tmsr church ?
mircea_popescu: jurov lol why are they dressed in gay suits ?!
danielpbarron: not if i have to seriously worship a false god or something. Or lie about worshipping one. If I have full control of the doctrine and what is taught (strictly The Bible, specifically as it is interpreted by Darwin Fish on atruechurch.info) then I might be interested
shinohai: but conjuring demons is fun.
mircea_popescu: well, on one hand certainly one can't have a church worshipping a false god ; as far as practice goes you can't have full control of the doctrine cuz it being a church, it has to have a metaphysical component.
danielpbarron: in the sense that God causes everything, nobody has "full control" over anything, but I mean my control vs yours or anyone in here -- say if you wanted me to teach something that contradicted The Bible
mircea_popescu: well... nothing right can contradict rigthness, all right things are one. so in principle they shouldn't.
jurov: you can always use the simulation loophole, like "even some atheists say that we live in simulated universe, so it's likely God saved cycles and really started the sim for 6400 years ago, and other things Bible says likewise"
shinohai: if elected as leader danielpbarron, do we have to worry about you using tmsr funds to build a giant ark, or anything of that sort? :D
mircea_popescu: but more practically : at issue is the theological consideration of whether [so far mostly unstated] tmsr.theological-doctrine actually does or does not contradict the form of christianity you were importing there
mircea_popescu: (with which i'm personally not too familiar)
mircea_popescu: exploring this a little will certainly be beneficial, if for no other reason then because it'll force statement of the foregoing
danielpbarron: shinohai, God promised us that He would never again destroy the world with a flood (Genesis 9:11) so no ark is necessary
mircea_popescu feels pretty flooded in buterins.
mircea_popescu: arguable i guess if it's actually destroying the world or just making it smell bad
shinohai: perfect rebuttal (and actual biblical logic!) danielpbarron
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron theology aside for a moment, there's three major components in my mind here.
danielpbarron: my form of Chistianity does not forbid: drinking, drugs, gambling, slavery -- but it does forbid: adultery (taking another man's wife), murder (unjustified killing), homosexuality (sorry jurov), fornication (probably the biggest sticking point)
mircea_popescu: one is that, well, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-03#1359593
a111: Logged on 2016-01-03 13:08 mircea_popescu: but seriously - a dozen kegs is what ? nothing, for the finance almighty republic. get a dozen sluts to shirtoff with the kegs, it's a go.
mircea_popescu: next time something like that blows up, i'd much rather there's a whole church apparatus ready to go, rather than having to fish random people from portland for the purpose.
mircea_popescu: another is that, well, its a much better way to hold real estate than anything alf came up with to date. since he's decided he's not moving because he's ax-crazy or something, this is the logical next step
mircea_popescu: having a nice party house somewhere, free if you're in the wot sort of thing, can't hurt anyone.
mircea_popescu: and thirdly - you go to porcfest, right ? next time, you can go properly, set up a donation and ecumenic drive.
danielpbarron: heh
mircea_popescu: so, sensible it is. whether it's workable or not hopefully can be resolved.
Framedragger: jurov: heh. bible as a list of optimisation heuristics for simulating the 'verse
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron back to theology : it's one thing to forbid, it's another thing to enforce. does it also forbid, say, sitting in a room with "known fornicators" for instace ? up to a point it'll be their sin - their problem.
jurov: Framedragger: yeah, the fornication takes up most of teh precious cycles
danielpbarron: not for a time, but it's not ok to "have fellowship" with known sinners
mircea_popescu: how are they to be helped then ?
mircea_popescu: obviously teaching is fellowship.
Framedragger: jurov: clearly. too much irreducible qualia, or sth
danielpbarron: and yeah, obviously I'm not gonna enforce the death penalty for adultery and whatnot, just teach that it is wrong etc..
danielpbarron: I can't pray with known unbelievers. Teaching is ok.
mircea_popescu: i suspect much more serious sticking points will come the other way. specifically, i suspect tmsr to be a larger intellectual force than whosoever darwin fish is, as a temporal rather than spiritual matter. consequently, the sticking point will not be inferences from him limiting us, but inferences from us driving him up the wall. for instance, obvious possible sticking point being that in tmsr doctrine, it is a sin to engage
mircea_popescu: in "group" charity.
danielpbarron: Darwin invites criticism via email -- see his contact page :D
asciilifeform tunes in, takes in this very promising lulfest
mircea_popescu: well, but i mean what exactly is the relation there. does it matter to the symbol "a true church" what the person "darwin fish" says ? where exactly is your loyalty there or how does this work ?
mircea_popescu personally couldn't give less of a crap about the entire thing other than it being in danielpbarron 's wot.
danielpbarron: I agree with his interpretation, and have met him and his family in person
mircea_popescu: so if he tomorrow says white people must paint their skin black, do you follow or schism or what ?!
danielpbarron: I'd compare what he said to what The Bible says (i'm sure he'd cite chapter and verse) and if I didn't think it checked out I'd challenge him on it
mircea_popescu: so is your agreement to the interpretation the turning stone ?
danielpbarron: yeah, we must agree or else one or both of us is on our way to hell
mircea_popescu: suppose you figured out, entirely correctly as far as you can tell, and otherwise irreducibly in any manner, that indeed white people must paint black. and he says that's ridiculous. what do you do now, give it up ? give him up ?
danielpbarron: I'm not against changing my mind -- even recently thought I had to repent of something, although it turns out to have been a bit premature
mircea_popescu: so in the end, we've very little to work on here. do you figure this fellow could be enticed to show up here sometime ?
mircea_popescu: and meanwhile - all teh wot peoples, please do consider the matter to the outreach of your abilities. were there a tmsr theology, what'd it say and what'd it look like ? what wouldn't it say and what would it not look like ? and why and wherefore.
mircea_popescu: for that matter - CAN there even be such a thing.
mircea_popescu: traditionally this matter is approached by naming "a commission" but we're blessed with numbers low enough to have direct archy!
danielpbarron: heh, really hard to say. I haven't been keeping in contact with him at all. Come to think of it I'd want to ask him ahead of time if he thinks registering a church with the USG is against the Word or not (he's not a big fan of USG -- prolly a plus)
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron at the very least the devil can't testify. who cares what the usg thinks you've done, nobody's liable to ask it, nor may it likely acquire a voice without losing itself.
mircea_popescu: (this is yet another, if rather central, reason why plea bargains are so powerful, and http://trilema.com/2015/heres-what-they-dont-tell-you-when-they-bring-you-those-papers-to-sign/ ) : i couldn't give less of a shit what usg SAYS you did or didn't do or whatever. but if you say it yourself, well...
danielpbarron: I used that to my advantage in getting a traffic ticket dropped recently: the cop tried to get me to show remorse, I said nothing, prosecutor threw it out
mircea_popescu: heh
jurov: For one, i'd like to see aliens and Our Lady Eris in tmsr belief system. but sadly i don't think that would work.
BingoBoingo: Gotta have the struggle between the reptilians and avians in there.
BingoBoingo: prolly best told through the eternal war between ants and termites as a metaphor
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-10#1500777 << not hard; I'll do that
a111: Logged on 2016-07-10 20:00 mircea_popescu: trinque how hard would it be for deedbot to put a \n before any url if the message would be cut in the url otherwise ?
trinque: and generally let it do multiple messages for any that would otherwise truncate
mircea_popescu: eh aliens. for the same money you can worship pacific islanders.
mircea_popescu: trinque well... kinda iffy if they get too long
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-10#1500837 << eh wat? i'd totally move. just depends where.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-10 22:21 mircea_popescu: another is that, well, its a much better way to hold real estate than anything alf came up with to date. since he's decided he's not moving because he's ax-crazy or something, this is the logical next step
asciilifeform: and would work as shaman, also, if there is opening.
asciilifeform dun presently own a working chukcha mouth harp, would have to make one.
mircea_popescu: well, maybe an ocarina or something.
asciilifeform: also worx.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it occurs to me that, as per earlier discussion re anthropology etc, "it's a religious artefact!!!" best covers most of the things you make anyway
asciilifeform: sure does.
asciilifeform: why do you think i introduce myself to folks as 'i work as shaman'
asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwi4kBX3Wmo << related.
asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qj6qJ0prBk4 << more, imho, illustrative.
phf owns a chukcha mouth harp, can lend asciilifeform
phf: i feel like there was a ru fad on those things, kind of like indian flutes or whatever stateside
mircea_popescu: sounds more like homebrew libertards
mircea_popescu: "oh, why can't we all get along, look, mouth harps!"
mircea_popescu: but fwiw, they have them in the ozarks, slovakia, you name it.
shinohai: http://archive.is/uZzZO
phf: mircea_popescu: i think that's an american take. in 90s russia mouth harps distinctly meant "these kicks are nothing, some people out there in chuchka land or whatever have been getting some serious kicks for a while now"
phf: it was part of the whole influx of alternative knowledge that was pretty inaccessible during su (or in any case was a thing for select few), so some people got into zen, others mouth harps and muhomors
asciilifeform: as illustrated for n00bs in iconic film 'generation p'
shinohai: ya leave two guys from Alabama alone in a forest http://archive.is/f5fdT
mircea_popescu: phf yeah but it's been meaning the same in au bush and ozark rural communities and etc.
mircea_popescu: and yes, "countercultural" of the 70s/80s connections, you name it.
mircea_popescu: shinohai not bad lol, was it you ?
shinohai: not i, but came in my snapshillbot feed
mircea_popescu: -10 too.
mircea_popescu: by now r/btc is a pretty decent inverse signal i imagine
mircea_popescu: fun fact : the poles are responsible for two out of the total of two cfit accidents since the introduction of egpws.
mircea_popescu: (the 2010 smolensk plowing experiment being preceded by a 2008 similar incident at home, which only killed a bunch of military people and resulted in five firings etc.)
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha wait, hilary is going to legalize ganja because of trump ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "people thought they were for voting for when" wtf ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1500910 << mno. ~promise~ to : wholly different thing. incidentally it was part of obummer's platform also. just as 'ufo disclosure' was part of carter's (yes)
a111: Logged on 2016-07-11 02:44 mircea_popescu: ahahahaha wait, hilary is going to legalize ganja because of trump ?
asciilifeform: usg promises are worth slightly less than farts.
mircea_popescu: well, the more "read my lips : no new taxes" element of hussein bahamas' platform was "closing guantanamo ; getting out of iraq" etc.
mircea_popescu: and in other scary fupa news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/8e1458303aa661c09bf0695d9d9b876b/tumblr_ns0aexd2jj1tsophbo5_400.gif
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo "people thought they were for voting for when" wtf ? << cleaner. Choom gang was a meme from Bahamas pot smoking days
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ahahahaha wait, hilary is going to legalize ganja because of trump ? << yes
BingoBoingo: Not necessarily Trump, but the people who were supposed to split Trump's base are splitting hers

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