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BingoBoingo: hello, all of our Romanian millionaires are busy at the moment. if you stick around one will be with you shortly
phf: no i don't want yo number no i don't wanna give you mine
BingoBoingo: ^ in the interim you are welcome to register a public key so that you may voice yourself
mircea_popescu: naughtygirl you here for the tits ?
BingoBoingo: $up _FeltPen
deedbot: _FeltPen voiced for 30 minutes.
_FeltPen: Thanks!
BingoBoingo: $up naughtygirl
deedbot: naughtygirl voiced for 30 minutes.
naughtygirl: so how can i get paid for being a slut?
mircea_popescu: naughtygirl ah, write hmm
mircea_popescu: write b4b7323f on your tits, take pic.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo btw, that sacramento thing... weimar republic through and through.
mircea_popescu: next the commies are going to make a "revolutionary army", various right wingers various sb/sa/blabla,
mircea_popescu: then they burn the black people. for being ~12% of the population and "corrupting the youth through their control of media".
mircea_popescu: not to mention you know, drinking baby blood or w/e.
BingoBoingo: $s purple drank
BingoBoingo: srsly everything!
trinque: changed $up rules such that L2 can up visitors.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "until they IRS gave them a PIN." <
BingoBoingo: ty, fxd
mircea_popescu: naughtygirl you'll have to put your head in there. take the other girls for a model.
naughtygirl: i dont really want to show my face
mircea_popescu: what can i tell you.
ben_vulpes: << no man you miss the point entirely
a111: Logged on 2016-06-26 15:38 Framedragger: but to suggest that folk from within are in on it, as in usg agents whatnot, is bull. i know that in terms of effects there may not be much of a difference, but whenever you say "prolly controlled burn by those idiots", i want to smack you because those friends are not dumb at all.
ben_vulpes: some non-wot nignogs claim to have written some 'privacy' 'software'
ben_vulpes: mk well they can show up here where we coordinate the /actual fight against statists/ and answer a whole lot of questions
naughtygirl: that girl didnt show her face
ben_vulpes: and until they have a representative in the forum full-time, they are each and every one gestapo, regardless of how many 'phreedom phighter' claims they make, or their handlers make on their behalf.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-25 19:58 mircea_popescu: it's okay, and i dun recall, but the past is not dispositive. future girl that dun show isn't getting paid.
mircea_popescu: o look ben_vulpes beat me to it.
mircea_popescu: hard to let go huh.
shinohai: ;;ticker --market all
shinohai: y u so slow gribble
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 638.15, vol: 8858.20564152 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 618.997, vol: 7516.92288 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 638.73, vol: 56253.70796753 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 640.545, vol: 1497.28084907 | Volume-weighted last average: 636.696281803
thestringpuller: holy shit is the pound really worth less than euro?
thestringpuller: nvm they are both plummeting. wtf
phf: i'm not quite grokking how this was an unexpected outcome. prices drop because of smaller things and this was a massive price signal. from my naive perspective you have a bunch of people saying "eu sucks" and "britain has standalone economy" both assertions need to be explored and nobody particularly wants to explore them
phf: *wanted to
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 418218 | Current Difficulty: 2.0945315859538098E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 419327 | Next Difficulty In: 1109 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 5 hours, 57 minutes, and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 979342349029617653 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Alex Nicoll <>; ' -
asciilifeform: cert l0l
asciilifeform: flipolade, naturally.
asciilifeform: but didja know, CERT folk attract high-energy particles ?
thestringpuller: i thought that was CERN
adlai: they generate them
asciilifeform wonders when we find the first polonium'd schmuck via his flipolade.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell Framedragger interestingly, not one of your ssh mods has popped yet, despite the historic 0.1% popping rate claimed in previous experiments (we're about 170,000 in)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: sks circa may is 3799663/4265572 in.
asciilifeform: just say no to software-controlled fans.
asciilifeform doesn't use them, because he can't stand noise transitions.
trinque: adlai: you alive?
trinque pokes adlai with walking stick
BingoBoingo: trinque: He may be back in LSD rehab?
BingoBoingo: Or if in Asylum he may have made mistake of talking about us and is being "cured"
trinque: $up _FeltPen
trinque: hmm
trinque: odd.. the bot's not saying anything back on any command. all that was changed was an if conditional inside the $up command.
trinque: $key trinque
deedbot: _FeltPen voiced for 30 minutes.
trinque: box isn't overloaded. I'm gonna give freenode the points for that one.
_FeltPen: thx!
_FeltPen: can i register for WOT in this channel or do I need to do that in bitcoin-assets?
trinque: no, here.
trinque: $help
trinque: _FeltPen: ^
trinque: make sure you have the nick you want first.
_FeltPen: thx, trinque
_FeltPen: $register _FeltPen A7C8CC92707C479FF0BB80BE549A82E9DF24AB
deedbot: Import failed for _FeltPen.
trinque: I'm sorry; docs are wrong. You only need the fingerprint
_FeltPen: ok, so eliminate ref to nick?
trinque: correct
_FeltPen: $register A7C8CC92707C479FF0BB80BE549A82E9DF24AB
deedbot: Import failed for A7C8CC92707C479FF0BB80BE549A82E9DF24AB.
trinque: is your key on sks?
_FeltPen: yeah, i believe so. will check later - no biggie. thanks for help.
trinque: I can't recv-key that over here.
_FeltPen: its there, but i just added it again. will try to register again.
_FeltPen: $register A7C8CC92707C479FF0BB80BE549A82E9DF24AB
deedbot: Import failed for A7C8CC92707C479FF0BB80BE549A82E9DF24AB.
trinque: that seems like it's missing two bytes
trinque: er one byte
_FeltPen: oh, dang it. will have to wait until later then.
trinque: you're just missing a B6 at end :p
trinque: embiggen your terminal
_FeltPen: $register A7C8CC92707C479FF0BB80BE549A82E9DF24ABB6
deedbot: A7C8CC92707C479FF0BB80BE549A82E9DF24ABB6 registered as _FeltPen.
_FeltPen: woot
trinque: docs fixed, and welcome.
_FeltPen: Thanks again.
deedbot: [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Where the sun’s up past 10:00pm. -
mircea_popescu: << "Polls can be this wrong because a thin sliver "at the top", The Delusionals, have an investment in reality turning a certain way. So they falsify. "
a111: Logged on 2016-06-27 13:13 phf: i'm not quite grokking how this was an unexpected outcome. prices drop because of smaller things and this was a massive price signal. from my naive perspective you have a bunch of people saying "eu sucks" and "britain has standalone economy" both assertions need to be explored and nobody particularly wants to explore them
mircea_popescu: you know the hipster chick that went down the ghetto road by her lonesome in nothing but six inch heels one fine late summer evening ?
mircea_popescu: INEXPLICABLY things were done to her THAT COULDNT HAVE BEEN EXPECTED.
phf: victim blaming!
mircea_popescu: for the delusionists in question, the "couldn't have been expected" and "inexplicably" part of their narrative are actually more important than the events themselves.
mircea_popescu: all they really wish to do is to scream as loudly as they can, permanently, that.
mircea_popescu: in any case, it's not some sort of rational process. it's merely "the secret" played straight. if they will it enough it'll matter.
phf: man, i'm starting to understand why nero was playing that fiddle
mircea_popescu: aha. heroic figure, the more you think of it.
mircea_popescu: "he made his horse a senator" <=> "stated his horse would make a finer senator than most of them"
asciilifeform: 'caligula imperator si-a facut calul senator' (tm) (r) !1111
mircea_popescu: wait, nero wasn't racist ?
BingoBoingo: Nero held the race of Horses in high esteem
asciilifeform: perhaps his h0rs3 was a houyhnhnm !
mircea_popescu: i'm pretending the way you say "equum consulem declarare non erubuit" in english is "racist".
phf: it is certainly a fine troll and a strong way to make your point, still it gets lost in the echo chamber
asciilifeform: aaactually there is also a theory that it got lost in the echo chamber of suetonius, who was quite possibly his era's equivalent of, e.g., michael moore
asciilifeform: (or more accurately - howard zinn)
mircea_popescu: well, agrippina biography - lost ; that lost, this lost... who's to know.
mircea_popescu: (the sauce for the quote is juvenal, adrien valois, seigneur de la mare edition)
mircea_popescu: lest anyone goes blind seeking the impossible.
phf: so, i just learned that historia is produced by an istor or widstor, i.e. a wise man or a person who knows/sees, i.e. the one who вид-ит
mircea_popescu: so it is!
phf: interesting how the first few syllables get lost with time, "vedas" and "story" both pointing in the same direction
mircea_popescu: romanian to this day uses "a invedera" as part of common please (to bring to the court, to put in the record). so the change isn't either that new or that central.
mircea_popescu: common pleas*
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what is this rubbish
mircea_popescu: i thought hairspray was a fag interest musical.
mircea_popescu: they made a movie ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Exactly that.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: With John Travolta!
BingoBoingo: John Travolta was the fat tranny, for srs
mircea_popescu: hahaha what!
mircea_popescu: i might have to see this now.
BingoBoingo: "John Travolta as Edna Turnblad, Tracy's mother and agent, an agoraphobe ashamed of her obesity. Travolta's casting as Edna continues the tradition of having a man in drag portray the character, going back to the original 1988 film, which featured drag queen Divine as Edna and at Hairspray's Broadway version, which featured Harvey Fierstein as Edna.[10] Executives at New Line Cinema originally expected the part to be filled by an actor a
BingoBoingo: ccustomed to playing comic roles, tossing around names such as Robin Williams, Steve Martin, and Tom Hanks.[10] However, Travolta was aggressively sought after by producers Craig Zadan and Neil Meron for this role because he had starred as Danny Zuko in Grease, the second most successful movie musical to date, beaten only by Mamma Mia!."
mircea_popescu: uh. grease was a "movie musical" >
mircea_popescu: i thought it was a derpy "teenage interest" thing.
BingoBoingo: And this is the butter huffer who spewed the froth asciilifeform astutely identified as "rubbish"
BingoBoingo: Hey, an AR-15 is a "Modern Sporting Rifle"
BingoBoingo: Never underestimate the time spent by labelmakers
mircea_popescu: she looks almost exactly like this chick at the bdsm club.
BingoBoingo: Which one?
mircea_popescu: the one you linked
BingoBoingo: In mean which chick at the BDSM club?
deedbot: [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The Producers. -
phf: huh, i kind of want to see the original with Divine now
phf: debbie harry as the antagonist
a111: Logged on 2016-06-27 16:41 mircea_popescu: she looks almost exactly like this chick at the bdsm club.
asciilifeform: the one mircea_popescu showed me !
asciilifeform: ( augustina or something, was her name )
BingoBoingo: Well, what else can one expect of a failed Actrauce (-auce is the way to gender job titles mayo)
deedbot: [Qntra] US Polling: Third Party Candidate Takes From Clinton -
mircea_popescu: o right, tacitus on community consensus : omnium consensu capax imperii nisi imperasset.
BingoBoingo: $up felipelalli
deedbot: felipelalli voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: ie "everyone agreed he's capable to empire until he actually did."
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you might find interesting: apparently baltimore has thousands of 5-30k houses, in various stages of ruin
mircea_popescu: << i'd be very much to see exactly what uk economy consists of, altogether.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-27 13:14 phf: *wanted to
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: london barristers buyin' and sellin' mircea_popescu's lawsuits ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Seriously these things exist and you don't even have to travel far!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and this is "independent" ?
mircea_popescu: << i was meditating upon the same wonder. wtf is this.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-27 14:21 asciilifeform: ;;later tell Framedragger interestingly, not one of your ssh mods has popped yet, despite the historic 0.1% popping rate claimed in previous experiments (we're about 170,000 in)
asciilifeform: every tinpot dictator with his own printolade printer thinks 'independent'
mircea_popescu: but that is an independent politics, not an independent economy.
mircea_popescu: the ur example of this being charles, emperor of the nonsunsetting-empire.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i genuinely have nfi. but a little more of this and i'ma start verifying the keyz, possibly Framedragger was mitm'd when he scanned. or fucked up in some other way.
asciilifeform: (though almost any imaginable mistake would result in MORE-phuctorable mods, vs less)
mircea_popescu: you know ?
asciilifeform: well consider the behaviours of random nums, or flipolade, etc.
mircea_popescu: i dun think the butterfly collection warrants any action yet, but it is pretty stranger.
asciilifeform: srsly NOT ONE popped to date.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, you know, wtf, "flipped bits" except in the one most likely fucking spot it never happens ?
mircea_popescu: ftr, 0 out of 200k is just about consistent with a TRUE rate of "random bit flippage".
asciilifeform: the historic ~0.1% popping rate of ssh keys has nothing to do with flips, and everything to do with embedded gadgets with no rng
asciilifeform: (e.g., chinese routers)
asciilifeform: somehow i am being asked to believe that the first 170,000 of Framedragger's samples contained 0 of this.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and these embedded gadgets do not exist on ssh ?
asciilifeform: they exist on nearly every consumer line.
asciilifeform: but somehow not in the 170,000 samples.
mircea_popescu: well, give it time, we see.
asciilifeform: perhaps they are sorted by ip, and thus far we've done only mitsubishi's ip blok or sumthing.
asciilifeform: holy shit wut
asciilifeform: or rather, ~how~
mircea_popescu: it's elastic.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: they all require heavy terraforming.
asciilifeform: and are in lafond-zone
asciilifeform: but go, load up.
mircea_popescu: ftr, contrary to what whiteboys think, "lafond zone" is much better zone than drycunt zone.
asciilifeform: depends for wat
mircea_popescu: murder rate of what, 50 per 100k ? still means ~nothing practical.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for having a good time.
asciilifeform: i have friends living there. it isn't so great time.
asciilifeform: but CHEAP!11111111
mircea_popescu: how so ?
mircea_popescu: i bet you they never go out to hang with the locals ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they are locals.
mircea_popescu: so then not so great how ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: substantial costs in car windows alone
phf: well, if you have a cause, by up a whole block, put a fence around it, reinforce windows, have a nice workshop space or whatever. as long as nobody's bicycling in you're solid
asciilifeform: (idiots smash first, look for valuables later)
mircea_popescu: phf this is a monopoly trade. if you're not in the right lawyer club you'll end up in the middle of a scandal.
phf: i know people who did that in detroit before for a hackerspace, but with motorcycles
asciilifeform: phf: if this were +ev, speculators would have done it.
mircea_popescu: best be prepared to shoot the president if it comes to it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu has it ^^^^
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it is ev, just, not for everyone.
asciilifeform: and not for the others either, apparently
mircea_popescu: lafond correctly shows that the whole "race riots" is just demographic rearrangement after some dudes decided to reclaim 1920s buildings downtown
asciilifeform: judging by the 0 uptake among the dirigible dwellers.
phf: asciilifeform: speculators sell in to markets, some things just don't have easily identifiable markets
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why would i work for the us ?
mircea_popescu: one needs a sort of patriotic dweller to engage in this sort of thing.
asciilifeform: and they've run out, apparently.
asciilifeform: anyway asciilifeform will not be building baltimore fort.
mircea_popescu: phf maybe particular pufferfish may get away with it if small and exceptional.
mircea_popescu: but as a for-profit thing, you need your own army.
asciilifeform: i would buy one for a workshop but it'll get emptied as soon as i drive off.
asciilifeform: if i wanted to give my gear to scrap iron thieves, i could do it FOR PHREE, without paying 10k for the container
mircea_popescu: emplace automated machine guns, shoot on movement.
BingoBoingo: Whatever happened to "Every pet a rifleman"?
mircea_popescu: be the next "black lives matter" dude.
asciilifeform: will need automated atomic bombs
asciilifeform: for when they come.
phf: mircea_popescu: oh i agree, but i'm not telling other pufferfish how to do things, i'm talking from my school :> i'm not even saying it's somehow special. it's just very cheap to put a workspace area in ghetto if the people working it are basically ok with manual labour, "community building" all that jazz
mircea_popescu: nah, jackals are essentially cowardly.
asciilifeform: if i wanted to replay waco, could also do it for free, without buying any real estate.
mircea_popescu: phf and are mostly men.
mircea_popescu: you go, put a "designer etsy girl" community in ghetoo. take pix.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform correct response to waco buildup is thermobaric not atomic bomb.
phf: etsy designer girls have downtown coworking spaces for $100/mo/person
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: flechette mortar rounds.
mircea_popescu: that's actually kinda cheap
mircea_popescu: are downtown blowjobs like $15 or something ?
phf: for a chair?
asciilifeform: everything's is cheap to the folks who already have it. and $maxint for those who don't.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, they do have it. work a day, get a grand or so. who ever heard of this, rent < 1 day's honest work ?
phf: that's not for a room, that's essentially "club membership"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: which they
mircea_popescu: ah like a gym, but w/o fat shaming ?
asciilifeform: or is this on mircea_popescu's ammonia-breathing planet
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> everything's is cheap to the folks who already have it. and $maxint for those who don't. << I did not have a pipe wrench yesterday morning and yet $2 got me one before bed time on the same day.
phf: yeah, basically. you get a floor of a building, put a bunch of tables, a few "closed door" closets for people who are willing to pay $400/mo, a printer, a coffeemaker, and then you charge people $100/mo to have a place to sit and chat all day
mircea_popescu: oh incidentally, all this has stimulated me, ima go write a follow-up to
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: be sure to include heat-seeking quadcopters
mircea_popescu: phf ok this sounds like a great racket actually.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah it's biological.
phf: this is a spinoff from ycombinator, where you're not paying for tangibles, like "such much space", but instead an opportunity to connect, blah blah blah
asciilifeform: phf: i've been seeing ads for this nonsense in d.c.
asciilifeform bbl, off to get teeth drilled sans anaesthesia
phf: 1776 is the biggest one, they have daily talks on how to succeed as a woman ceo, workshops on how to learn ruby. probably a good subject for a blog post, a tour of 1776 on an average day..
phf: i'm not even exaggerating to pander, the whole thing is a parody of itself
mircea_popescu: phf very good, i'd check it.
phf: everybody's talking about how they are going to be bought, who got bought, who has an opportunity to get bought. we have our support team there, because they are in their 20s, need external stimulation, etc. but on the flip side they periodically come back with grandiose plans "for the company"
phf: one guy (support) got it in his head that he's going to open a london branch of the company, he regularly arranges meetings with random uk business representatives to discuss along these lines. i heard he had some kind of meeting with richard branson as part of a small select group, etc. etc. mind you this has long been shot down by the owners as utterly insane and shut the fuck up. doesn't deter him.
phf: it's like they are cooking in the 1776 delusion soup, completely detached from reality
phf: that's definitely not the types i would want anywhere near a baltimore ghetto workshop. not only are they useless, they are also going to do something stupid, get shot or raped and next thing you know we're in the middle of scandal
BingoBoingo: I think it would be good for their morale
mircea_popescu: phf well, depends if you're looking to monetize the scandal.
BingoBoingo: If they can't leave their hug bubble because James Lafond presents, then they get to build up all the delusion still hotter
mircea_popescu: ironically, you'd be in a dark cone of immunity because the derps can't quite argue that YOU are responsible by putting kids in harm's way, because they can't say black people are the harm.
mircea_popescu: so ... who knows.
mircea_popescu: go there and compassionately offer them rape kits, or something.
BingoBoingo: Who knows, maybe startup culture has a tin pest sort of effect on the hood?
BingoBoingo: Gangs obsessing over their London and Rotterdam expansions and whatnot
phf: pretty sure The Wire made fun of the whole "gangs trying to play white people games"
trinque: I recall a hilarious "board meeting" in an episode, I think.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo should be lulzy in any case lol.
mircea_popescu: phf this'd be that in reverse neh ?
phf: oh that was in response to BingoBoingo's idea
mircea_popescu: theoretically the millions upon millions of pointless white kids that tear down the universities each year and the nation's finances would utterly dilute the hood into meaninglessness.
mircea_popescu: in practice, they're much too passive to matter.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: uh. white kids who move to the hood tend to "gentrify" it...
mircea_popescu: nah, not to gentrify. they're not gentry. just, to scumiffy in a different direction.
thestringpuller: oh. i don't even know if those white kids could even AFFORD to live in the hood.
thestringpuller: that's why they move back home with mommy and daddy rent free
mircea_popescu: well, slumlord phf buy the place for them, then charges them 100 a month for a dildo to sit on
thestringpuller: i think you're accurately describing brooklyn
mircea_popescu: word huh
shinohai: Afternoon #trilema folks
phf: so i've lived on the gentrification line before and it's never "white kids", they move in when after the whole thing is named "gentrification" and by then there's already a whole foods in the works. gentrification is brought about by utter misfit john waters crowd, and they prime the area for couple of years by throwing parties and making things happen, large portion of them is gay and otherwise insane.
phf: once landlords or developers are involved the area has long been considered "interesting" by suburban types and "done" by the gentrification avant guard
trinque: that happened in montrose, area of inner-loop houston
trinque: "the gayborhood"
phf: you get a balmore workshop not because it's a conan thing to do, but because you're insane and need to paint astral vaginas whether or not there's market for it, and you can afford to pay $90/mo (sometimes late) for your apartment and $100/mo (mostly late) for your studio
phf: yeah, the non space eventually actualizes into a named thing, and it can be "hipsters" like what happened to brooklyn or "gays" like what happened to dupont circle
phf: the insane borderline chick that was my radar for these things wanted to move to williamsburg in 2002 or so cause that's where here friends were, by 2005 they had awesome parties there, by 2008 everybody knew they had awesome parties there, by 2012 the rent started to climb, by 2014 yuppies moving in, 2015 it's a joke that everyone's in on
deedbot: [Trilema] Nobody could have foreseen their using a woman as a weapon -
shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: phf this is true.
mircea_popescu: one of the better known example being 1950s greenwich village
mircea_popescu: (note the importance of the gay army in taking land from savages - today as 3000 years ago)
BingoBoingo: ty shinohai
deedbot: [Qntra] Google CEO Social Media Account Hacked -
mircea_popescu: possibly the lulziest "dedicated copywriter" result i've seen to date :
mircea_popescu: check it out BingoBoingo , a new AA cult is born!
BingoBoingo: These things happen from time to time
BingoBoingo: !up _FeltPen pls to just register already
gribble: Error: "up" is not a valid command.
BingoBoingo: $up _FeltPen ^
deedbot: _FeltPen voiced for 30 minutes.
phf: saw it happen in fishtown, the place was amazing 10 years ago. dead, cheap, bunch of weirdos living there. there was a bookstore, called "germ", that would invite these totally insane performers. their book selection was ufo, nazi, conspiracy theories and right hand magick. they had like a hitler telegram on sale for $2k, it closed ab
phf: out 5 years ago. now i can't go there without getting the anger shakes, it's a fucking millenial central. i got into a fight at johnny brenda's (mentioned in the article) a year ago, and everybody backed down, which made me even madder. fuck that place
_FeltPen: Thanks!
thestringpuller: lol. millennials tend to be pussies
thestringpuller: i really hate my generation. but better for me cause it's not much competition for anything
thestringpuller: although that's not a good thing...
_FeltPen: @thestringpuller - I feel you, nobody likes competing against a wet paper bag.
mircea_popescu: phf so who did you get into a fight with then!
phf: exactly :(
mircea_popescu takes some solace in the notion that his sad personal history is not his alone.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: <<< segwit stole our block propagation idea! LOL
shinohai: asciilifeform is such a wonderfully easy person to make snore. I'll bet he never needs Ambien.
asciilifeform: << this dun work. the buggers have an infinite capacity for doublethink and unprincipled-exception.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-27 17:43 mircea_popescu: ironically, you'd be in a dark cone of immunity because the derps can't quite argue that YOU are responsible by putting kids in harm's way, because they can't say black people are the harm.
asciilifeform: << approximately the role lichens play in nature
a111: Logged on 2016-06-27 18:16 phf: once landlords or developers are involved the area has long been considered "interesting" by suburban types and "done" by the gentrification avant guard
asciilifeform: << you can't get so much as a doghouse for this price, even in bmore
a111: Logged on 2016-06-27 18:17 phf: you get a balmore workshop not because it's a conan thing to do, but because you're insane and need to paint astral vaginas whether or not there's market for it, and you can afford to pay $90/mo (sometimes late) for your apartment and $100/mo (mostly late) for your studio
asciilifeform: unless there are 7 of you per flat
asciilifeform: << they work as lichens because they have (typically) no kidz, and don't give rat's arse about 'school district'
a111: Logged on 2016-06-27 18:32 mircea_popescu: (note the importance of the gay army in taking land from savages - today as 3000 years ago)
asciilifeform: from phf's link, commentz: ''s nice that run down neighborhoods get a face lift, and I love craft beer and good food and coffee as much as the next guy (er, gal)-but what happened to the factories and the people that used to work in them? Their lives were largely destroyed by "free trade" and deindustrialization. We were once a producer society, and we were an economically and culturally healthier country (and medically). Now we
asciilifeform: are a consumer society, the bright store fronts and restaurants blinding people from seeing the general decay of the nation. Unless there's a revival of production and real technological progress, we are doomed...'
asciilifeform: 'Instead of a murder-suicide carried out by John Sheridan, as the prosecutor concluded, Baden found that the CEO of Cooper Health System and his wife, a retired teacher, more likely were preyed upon by a man who killed them and then set a fire to destroy the evidence.'
asciilifeform: what did 'cooper health system' sell ?
phf: asciilifeform: last industries closed in fishtown in 88 or so, or right around the financial market crash
phf: the whole Robocop, japanese are taking over american industry and economy time
asciilifeform: the beginning of the end of the last happytime aha.
BingoBoingo: phf: Japanese were not in Robocop, but Robocop 3
deedbot: [Qntra] Tim Swanson Misunderstanda Reality Again -
BingoBoingo: title fxd
phf: asciilifeform: in unrelated news check out this hack job
asciilifeform: phf: ancient
asciilifeform: $s failure of heterogeneous engineering
a111: 2 results for "failure of heterogeneous engineering",
a111: Logged on 2016-01-17 02:25 asciilifeform: right now best we have was 'symbolics, the failure of heterogeneous engineering' (by some chick?)
asciilifeform: and possibly other threads that aren't found by search box
phf: i skimmed it and realized just how badly researched, but ideologically framed it is
asciilifeform: imho there was no possible way for smbx to survive the end of reagan presidency by very long.
mircea_popescu: shinohai well, kinda what tmsr is for.
asciilifeform: phf: smbx was a creature of megalomaniacal empire, like the su 'Рокот' rocket.
asciilifeform: (whose launcher stood so tall that a man cannot be photographed in the same frame as it and still be visible)
a111: Logged on 2016-06-27 20:29 asciilifeform: from phf's link, commentz: ''s nice that run down neighborhoods get a face lift, and I love craft beer and good food and coffee as much as the next guy (er, gal)-but what happened to the factories and the people that used to work in them? Their lives were largely destroyed by "free trade" and deindustrialization. We were once a producer society, and we were an economically and culturally healthier countr
asciilifeform: раскат rather
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: l0l! is that borat ?!
asciilifeform: but yeah, '50s were great' 'ah? then why did weevils eat them'
mircea_popescu: because the people of the 50s "wanted their kids to live a better life"
mircea_popescu: stupidest fucking idea ever.
asciilifeform: this is best ever.
asciilifeform takes off hat.
phf: well, that's an opinion. a proper exploration of this subject would answer questions like what was revenue sources, what were the expenses, and then go backwards from there, figuring out where and how those were compromised or failed to correct. smbx burned through something like 10mil 80s cash in 2 years. and they burned through them by being locked into real estate, that lost value post crash. so can explore how the internal culture contributed
phf: to bubbling debt, etc. not saying that either of us could do it in a few sentences, but that's what i would expect from proper paper on the subject. real estate is not even mentioned in the above hack job
asciilifeform: phf: that the market consisted ~100% of usg, and that it stopped buying, and the commitments smbx was locked into spending-wise remained, and bankrupted it - is not mega-seekrit.
phf: asciilifeform: not at all 100% usg, that's why there was the west coast symbolics media lab, also government didn't stop buying, the contracts were bringing revenue well into the endof90s (i mean still do, but now it's life support peanuts)
asciilifeform: it was peanuts in '90s also.
asciilifeform: there were no massive rollouts.
asciilifeform: afaik amex was the ONLY major 100% non-usgtronic customer.
asciilifeform: media lab == usg.
phf: (hollywood)
asciilifeform: ah 'framethrower'
asciilifeform: sgi swallowed that market.
asciilifeform: (then promptly died)
asciilifeform: iirc google lives in the old sgi campus.
phf: fwiw we're saying same thing, but a paper doesn't need to reveal some major secrets to be worthwhile, ~this~ particular paper takes a tired and ideologically aligned "it's them eggheads and their lisp that did it"
asciilifeform: you don't need courage to kick a dead lion.
phf: ^
shinohai: Speaking of lisp, asciilifeform has officially made me a shiva believer.
shinohai: I love this :D
phf: asciilifeform: you brought this on yourself :D
asciilifeform: the hindu god ?!
asciilifeform cannot offer advice on placating shiva, you must call experts
shinohai: No, shiva the trb addition. >.>
shinohai: KALI MA!
asciilifeform: iirc it dun do anything interesting yet.
asciilifeform: and various folks ( mircea_popescu ? ) pointed out that it is 2000 ln of unaudited crud, that ought not be used in battlefield
asciilifeform: then again it is 1) unaudited crud that predates bitcoin
asciilifeform: 2) never touches input from outside world if properly operated.
shinohai: No but I see the benefits of having rpc commands use it, as I would love to see those commands separated from daemon
asciilifeform: 3) is theoretically r4rs compliant and can be reimplemented without rewriting payload code or replaces with another r4rs-compliant scheme at some future point.
asciilifeform: *replaced
asciilifeform: brief overview: i had it lying around because was trying to make a mempool debugger at one time.
phf: i drove past a mother kali temple somewhere in laurel, md yesterday
asciilifeform: cleaned up, released (as pedigree chain from original tinyscheme)
asciilifeform: then somebody ( mircea_popescu ? ) suggested that it could be used to replace the idiot json rpc.
asciilifeform: then nothing happened.
asciilifeform: we are here <---
asciilifeform: phf: lel! was it full of Thugs?
phf: they had a different spelling of it (i vaguely suspect on account of indiana jones movie), "kala, divine mother temple" it took me a while to get it
shinohai: But I liked the temple of doom. I could get behind religions like that.
BingoBoingo: Buy Baltimore ruin and make temple!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well part scam sometimes because derps will want "back property tax"
phf: asciilifeform: girl says "nooo"
asciilifeform: noo what
phf: north of patterson park is likely to be exactly that cheap because you definitely don't want to go there
BingoBoingo: phf: Why not?
asciilifeform is simply REALLY TIRED of paying rent.
phf: baltimore st actually stays rough pretty much all the way downtown (which is club area), but it's ok to walk after dark around E/W switch
asciilifeform: it does appear that you can't get fiber in most of these. which is the real deal-killer for me.
phf: BingoBoingo: it's one of those the wire style areas
mircea_popescu: so the actually very competent ron havana club anejo 7yo has been reviewed by the producer, who decided it has flavours of vanilla, chocolate, cocoa, dried fruits and "spices".
mircea_popescu: they apparently forgot AND EVERYTHING NICE!!1
mircea_popescu: anyway, usage suggestion : fill whiskey glass with good raisins, add rum to the top, leave for an hour. then take the raisins for apple pie, drink the remainder while chatting on irc.
mircea_popescu: phf real estate is the traditional siren song that sinks a certain type of empire builder head.
mircea_popescu: << i think there's some merit to this view. usg wasn't nearly as important as asciilifeform thinks it even in the 80s.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-27 21:04 phf: asciilifeform: not at all 100% usg, that's why there was the west coast symbolics media lab, also government didn't stop buying, the contracts were bringing revenue well into the endof90s (i mean still do, but now it's life support peanuts)
mircea_popescu: better managed symbolics could have done much better than it ended up doing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was important ~for symbolics~
mircea_popescu: by (poor) choice rather than by lack of choice.
asciilifeform: pretty much everybody else bought the cheaper suns when they became available. and ran cruddy sun lisps on'em, etc.
asciilifeform: it is not clear that smbx would be famous and interesting today if they had transformed themselves into a sun earlier.
asciilifeform: (and lived)
phf: they did transform themselves into sun, ivory machines and macivory boards specifically
jurov: asciilifeform: wiring the all the rest of C code to shiva would have to be redone if replacing with some other cheme, no?
asciilifeform: too little / too late
asciilifeform: jurov: not really
phf: well, too late precisely because obligations
asciilifeform: plus how much of it is there - a dozen lines ?
asciilifeform: basic idea of 'this lisp func calls this here c func' is same regardless
asciilifeform: you could prolly replace it with, e.g., SIOD, without breaking a sweat
asciilifeform: (or your own scheme)
jurov: currently, dozen lines. but target is to have much more functions accessible, no?
jurov: *many more
asciilifeform: yes but the glue is the only part that might vary.
jurov: i am willing to bet the glue will be bigger than the tinyscheme itself
asciilifeform: for fucks sake
asciilifeform: it isn't
asciilifeform: go, read.
mircea_popescu: << there doubtlessly is a large helping of that. bad management by engineers who imagined they can manage for reasons unknown. rather applies.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-27 21:06 phf: fwiw we're saying same thing, but a paper doesn't need to reveal some major secrets to be worthwhile, ~this~ particular paper takes a tired and ideologically aligned "it's them eggheads and their lisp that did it"
asciilifeform: (or if you're thinking of theoretically complete replacement for the rpc - it wouldn't have to be re-written, with correct dozen lines of glue)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: noftsker wasn't really an engineer
asciilifeform: (stallman hated him for it, even)
mircea_popescu: you know, the really cool alpha dudes
mircea_popescu: << o wow, gonna start your street tough career ?
a111: Logged on 2016-06-27 21:23 asciilifeform is simply REALLY TIRED of paying rent.
asciilifeform: if i can get fiber there!11111
mircea_popescu: ak-fiber
asciilifeform: fiberlessness is actually pestilential even in 'rich' baltimore.
asciilifeform: (for complicated political reasons local telco monopoly didn't rollout)
mircea_popescu: impotence is the mother of chemistry or how did that adage go ?
mircea_popescu: go to fiberless ghetto, build your own point to point network
asciilifeform: with whom ?
asciilifeform: the monkeys ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno, drones.
asciilifeform: go to north pole, build network with polar bears.
asciilifeform: better ROI.
mircea_popescu: but sure, give out free iuds with wifi.
phf: microwave towers
phf: pay locals to defend them with AKs :>
mircea_popescu: mad maxcii lifeform
phf: periodically no internet because one of towers got overrun, $1k worth of equipment stollen, defenders all shot up
mircea_popescu: redundancy! sqrt n / 2
phf: have to grab own ak go reclaim tower: exercise
asciilifeform: 'lose the other army! or lose yourself!11111'
mircea_popescu: eh, nah. usg only has strike units. give it 18 hours, can reclaim passively.
asciilifeform actually wrote to some of the sellers...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're going to go into real estate biz ?
asciilifeform: what made you think this.
mircea_popescu: to quote the immortal foca, "boooo... o sa iasa un dezastru."
mircea_popescu: well.. sellers of what ?
asciilifeform: sellers of derelicts that are a few $k of new carpet away from habitability.
mircea_popescu: looky : if you own real estate you're in the real estate biz. just like if you're married, you're in the pimp biz. you may suck at it something fierce, but that dun matter.
mircea_popescu: there isn't a "special" situation where you're a pimp but that's ok because you're not really a pimp.
asciilifeform: ok in that sense yes
asciilifeform: and if i buy a car i am in car biz ?
asciilifeform: a new pocket knife - in cutlery biz ?
thestringpuller: how is marriage the pimp biz?
mircea_popescu: got a woman in the house ? she can run with your monyz ?
phf: probably a controversial point because never interacted with those other pimps
mircea_popescu: yeah well, ignorance of the law is no defense.
phf: the one that i knew wasn't really running it movie back of hand style (or i guess it wasn't like this special thing, "where's my money bitch"). money brought was income and "he takes care of me" etc
mircea_popescu: it's a domestic arrangement, what.
phf: in fact it took me a while to grok what's going on
mircea_popescu: really, in some cultures it's the default domestic arrangement.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you buy a car you are in the car biz, yes. which is why car salesmen rape you so badly.
asciilifeform: i thought 'in biz' were, roughly, if you intended to make money reselling
mircea_popescu: your intention don'[t matter jack shit.
asciilifeform: or - if i buy icecream - i am in icecream biz ?
mircea_popescu: what, and you're in the army if you intend to kill people ?
asciilifeform: i cross the road, i am in paving biz ?
asciilifeform: this is a defensible pov but not quite what anybody expects.
mircea_popescu: what anybody expects also dun enter into it.
mircea_popescu: yes, sanity is very intolerant of consumerism ethos and "division of labour" understood without any understanding.
asciilifeform: then yes
asciilifeform: but it smacks of 'elephant is simply a very heavy type of fly'
mircea_popescu: only because you're addicted to the consumerist mindset.
mircea_popescu: there is no "elephant" as a categorically different item
mircea_popescu: wasp is a very heavy type of gnat.
asciilifeform: that sink
trinque: somebody probably kicked it
asciilifeform: plausible.
mircea_popescu: just crappy pressboard what
mircea_popescu: lol uk industry is finally exporting some primo butthurt huh
BingoBoingo: And now Italeave starts
asciilifeform: lol i got call back..
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo obese fuck "who's always been" never in his life felt so "ashamed" as when the life support got a little threatened ?
mircea_popescu: what happened to being ashamed for being a fat fuck ffs.
thestringpuller: << ah, i thought pimping mean putting said woman to work
a111: Logged on 2016-06-27 21:51 mircea_popescu: got a woman in the house ? she can run with your monyz ?
BingoBoingo: Who knows? Anyways I think it identified as femayo
thestringpuller: but i guess you gotta do that too
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller whether you tolerate the whores working a lot or a little dun enter into this tho.
mircea_popescu: god damned. let's ban avoid so that we can then do the same inept join part bullshit.
phf: Typical "remain" voter << this gotta be a joke
asciilifeform: 'lego is hard for fat children to play with' << tr0l0l0l
asciilifeform: forfuxxsake
asciilifeform: or wat, you will tell me this EXISTS ??
asciilifeform will be touring baltimoralalabad and kandamore in the flesh
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what are the remoras even DOING here
asciilifeform: i always wondered.
phf: righton
mircea_popescu: who where ?
asciilifeform: pablo___ et al.
shinohai: So it is the fault of the leavers this probablr hamplanet can't get 4,000 calories a day BingoBoingo ?
mircea_popescu: heard there's a party ?
asciilifeform: 'hi i heard there is a party, let me stand in the corner and snort the alcohol fume plox'
mircea_popescu: there's this deeply ingrained expectation of "participating" without participation.
asciilifeform: i dun get it.
mircea_popescu: like - school, government, commerce, politics, footbal - you name it.
trinque: "Behind every good woman is a devoted cuck."
mircea_popescu: trinque wait, they got linguistically cuckolded by their own patronym, fucking around with right wingers without their approval ?
mircea_popescu: the cuckocalypse!
trinque: ahahaha
BingoBoingo: shinohai: apparently
mircea_popescu: buyt anyway - i approve. cuck SHOULD mean libertard.
mircea_popescu: shorter word, more descriptive.
asciilifeform: we came from the cucks, who came from the trucks...
mircea_popescu: ahahaha "alpha cucks out there".
mircea_popescu: bullshit. if anyone knows what shit means "in the scene" it'd be me, and yes cuck means inferior.
mircea_popescu: conventionally, not ALWAYS to be treated as inferior, but that's more a flavour thing than anything else.
asciilifeform: wtf is an alpha cuck !!
mircea_popescu: libertardism. "lalala i can't hear you and words are salad ingredients"
phf: best pidor among the girls
asciilifeform: l0l: the sp4mz0rz pushing the derelict houses called me back and offered to consolidate the tour, they actually thought i wanted to buy ~all~ of them..
mircea_popescu: it is a sensible assumption.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would you do it otherwise.
phf: you know, when there's a new опущенный alpha cuck is the one who shows him the ropes
asciilifeform: head pidor by the latrine
mircea_popescu: this is what alpha bitch means in the brothel.
phf: "how many blocks would are you interested in purchasing?"
mircea_popescu: this bizarro libertard thing where "not using words in the way we'd prefer them used" = "not using words right"
mircea_popescu: wtf else, putin doesn't understand how the world works ?
asciilifeform: i am interested in subj mainly as an experimental test of some of my assumptions
asciilifeform: (the derelicts, not the cuckolds)
BingoBoingo: Carry on the experiment, become 31337 slumlord!
mircea_popescu: for srs.
BingoBoingo: Play Sid Meyer's civilization IRL!
asciilifeform: i figure, 'war is interested in you' and will come here eventually
mircea_popescu: then when i finally visit the collapsed empire, i have where to guest stay.
asciilifeform: so may as well go to it on own schedule.
mircea_popescu always preferred living with pimps over dope dealers, thugs and etc.
mircea_popescu: who could ever have predicted alf is SO DEDICATED to his new country, he'll build jamestown on the misipipi before leaving.
asciilifeform: prolly not
asciilifeform: merely gedankenexperiment currently.
BingoBoingo: When does alf get Mosin for pet?
asciilifeform: not sure if i got enough gold dubloons
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: fully covered in this dept.
mircea_popescu: yeah what's the girl say about all this ? itching to alpha bitch ?
asciilifeform: girl smells the moneyz.
BingoBoingo: Every pet a rifleman!
asciilifeform: riflefman.
asciilifeform: as i said, this is kinda like that time i wanted to launch a satellite.
asciilifeform: or fly a suitcase to buenos aires on own propellant.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, it's not. tens of thousands of sub-parity IQ dudes do this on a regular basis.
BingoBoingo: Except this you can do
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: enculturated folk.
phf: can just imagine asciilifeform going through an "apocalypse now" transformation. "where you from, willard?"
asciilifeform: 'smell of napalm' !
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform culture's a lie.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i lived in a ~hole for 20 yrs.
asciilifeform: this has permanent effects.
mircea_popescu: so did most respectable people. think about it for a second.
asciilifeform: not mircea_popescu !
asciilifeform: he strangled the 2 snakes they put in his crib etc.
mircea_popescu: carmine persico ruled the colombos for 40 years, of which 36 in jail.
asciilifeform: it matters ~which~ 20y
asciilifeform: if yer first 20 - different affair than last 20
mircea_popescu: doubtful anything matters in any serious sense.
asciilifeform: where does mircea_popescu think we get homo redditicus ?
asciilifeform: holy shit
asciilifeform: $up pabl0
deedbot: pabl0 voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: pabl0: speak
asciilifeform: reminds me, i gotta change the uv lamp in bugzapper.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Don't forget to change the bait or you'll zap everything but mosquitos!
mircea_popescu: sooo, ethereum "soft fork" due to go in, about 60 hours left. i hope everyone's ready for the lulzpocalypse
shinohai puts popcorn on his shopping list.
mircea_popescu: (one of the lulziest parts - they made their criteria be < cost. in non-scamcoin-head terms, this is not unlike making a soft fork dependent on mempool being < x.)
mircea_popescu: ethereum being "smart", it's not just mempool, but also cpupool. and the "soft fork" being essentially a "enumerate badness" attempt, you still gotta check and make sure tx isn't on the verboten list. which computation you do for free, because you believe in mit, socialism and buterin.
mircea_popescu: cold equations be damn' cold.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: which is why imho you oughta have made the 'bad' addr list a few GB.
asciilifeform: not a few hundred bytes.
mircea_popescu: hm ? which ?
asciilifeform: the list of verboten eth addrs
asciilifeform: or hm iirc there was some timelock thing
mircea_popescu: but then the problem'd have been obvious ?
mircea_popescu: the above discussed
asciilifeform: not really problem if each node only has to verify tx against list of length 1
mircea_popescu: they wouldn't have discoverd it exists week-and-a-half after "having a solution" and buolding consensus etc
mircea_popescu: mmm. if only.
asciilifeform: what am i missing
mircea_popescu: tx can be pretty cpu intensive.
asciilifeform: yeah but how much more cpu intensive can ONE verboten-addr make it
mircea_popescu: hugely so.
mircea_popescu: all you need is one
asciilifeform: isn't it a constant-time op ?
mircea_popescu: i don't think you fully appreciate just how braindamaged this "laughing gas of the future" actually is.
asciilifeform: in bitcoin, it would be: if (addr == eviladdr) return fuckyou
asciilifeform: approximately.
asciilifeform: ^ yes it's ~that~ dingleberry
mircea_popescu: " Things are probably going to get worse before they get better." << ahahahaha.
asciilifeform: 'It's tempting to wonder if there's some cointelpro-style attack going on. Realistically, we likely do have the attention of governments who are well-funded to attack us. But first, this really doesn't look like a cointelpro op. The complaints come from people both inside and outside the Tor community, and I know some of them. And second, in this case it really doesn't matter. It's no excuse for not taking responsibility for our acti
asciilifeform: ons. Tor, and our broader freedom movement, are about communities, and about how we want to interact with each other. Let's handle this situation as an example of how we want to do it right.'
mircea_popescu: "we won't bury the corpse until nsa provides a new trough"
mircea_popescu: fucking derps.
mircea_popescu: usg agent wondering if the actual people fighting the usg are a "cointelpro style" "attack" ?
mircea_popescu: fuck these idiots with hot pokers already omfg.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger is this one of those guys you're friends with, then ?
asciilifeform: insurgency theatre.
asciilifeform: btw ~every american outfit bigger than a hot dog stand has an in-house 'shari'.
asciilifeform: (politruk)
mircea_popescu: i know, they constantly try to wander in here also.
asciilifeform bbl, meat
mircea_popescu: anyway, this paste is a point-by-point example of sinful, evil behaviour.
mircea_popescu: there is nothing dingledine can ever do that can redeem him, because the manner in which he thinks is beyond salvation.
mircea_popescu: he must be killed, publicly, and the carcass left to rot where it fell.
phf: ikea sells chairs and chair covers for those chairs. can buy covers in uk, etc. but not in u.s. fancy that
BingoBoingo: Milestones in pipe wrench ownership #2: When loosening a slip fitting the pipe decides to tear instead
BingoBoingo: #1 was boring, involved successfully removing burst frost free sillcock
mod6: where did June go?
mod6: sheesh
BingoBoingo: June isn't over until it is over
mod6: well. lol, it's almost over.
mod6: time for me to work on the SoBA already!
mircea_popescu: where did all teh junes go... loong time passing...
mod6: indeed
mircea_popescu: phf it's probably the "fire retardant" retardation
BingoBoingo: Prolly US flame retardant vs EU carcinogen regulations
mod6: trinqueis there a way to update this URL so it doesn't contain spaces? i.e.:
mod6: or shinohai ^ ?
mircea_popescu: yeah use underscores or something
mod6: damnit. the spacebar on this thing is getting toast.
mod6: trinque ^ up a few lines :]
asciilifeform: << same dingledine as officially represents nsa in tor
a111: Logged on 2016-06-28 00:31 mircea_popescu: there is nothing dingledine can ever do that can redeem him, because the manner in which he thinks is beyond salvation.
asciilifeform: $s dingledine
mod6: <+asciilifeform> (though almost any imaginable mistake would result in MORE-phuctorable mods, vs less) << yeah this seems odd.
asciilifeform: doesn't it.
mod6: mircea_popescu: btw, did you want me to change tb0t to use '!' instead of '%'?
trinque: like the child-fucking kind
mod6: he has a van that says 'free candy'
asciilifeform: mod6: this is not even wholly improbable. recall the selection criteria for dingledinity
asciilifeform: (e.g., brock pierce)
mod6: ya
trinque: mod6: wiki is the code that runs
trinque: it uses the page title verbatim in the URL
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: i lived in a ~hole for 20 yrs. << you can come live in my basement if you're tired of paying rent. i've even got a garden. :]
trinque: sometime I could hack another field onto it; I'm not certain I like the thing (or wikis)
asciilifeform: mod6: i need 4 walls.
asciilifeform: whole box.
trinque: they're really a response to "tards can't into html"
trinque: but we must include them
mod6: its got 4 walls!
trinque: cancerous fagtech
mod6: you think i live in a teepee?
asciilifeform: i mean 4 walls not shared with anybody.
mod6: ahh lol fair enough.
mod6: offer stands if you ever get sick of the the 202
mod6: <+trinque> it uses the page title verbatim in the URL << ok i think I can just have shinohai change the page title then, thx!
mod6: <+trinque> sometime I could hack another field onto it; I'm not certain I like the thing (or wikis) << I don't love wikis either, but we need a place for quick docs.
mod6: so it works for the time being.
asciilifeform: mod6: that thread wasn't even about living conditions, but about being a hermit
asciilifeform: trinque, mod6, et al: wikis work when folks actually bother editing..
trinque: I don't see how it's better than html shat in a folder somewhere
asciilifeform: how to edit ? folks get shell on the box ?
trinque: if they are in my wot, sure
phf: i have that cockli box by the way. i'm probably going to spin up an instance on it, but if anybody wants to attempt that task, feel free to take over
phf: (trb instance)
mircea_popescu: mod6 leave it for now, i'll bitch when
mircea_popescu: trinque tbh, i think wikis are a (braindamaged, dysfunctional, uncomprehending) response to the html-is-broken / transclusion issue discussed yest and etc.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: that thread wasn't even about living conditions, but about being a hermit << saw that. figured, "hey, i've got a crypt he can live in if he wants..."
mircea_popescu: there's a serious problem with digital handling of text, as we have it atm.
mod6: mircea_popescu: ok just holler.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sorta what the first article on my blog was about.
mod6: phf: cockli?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was where i started - text. and from that ended up in 'computing is braindamaged beyond repair'
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