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a111: Logged on 2016-06-16 23:58 Valfor: My nick has been the same :P
Valfor: :/ it shouldn't have reverted to that
Valfor: that was my nick a loooong time ago
Valfor: and znc is not configured for that any longer
Valfor: sorry danielpbarron - honest mistake
danielpbarron: what's a Valfor?
Valfor: slight modification on Valefor
Valfor: which is a "Duke of Hell" from the Goetic Demons
danielpbarron: do you believe there is a hell?
Valfor: I just found myself looking through a list of goetic demons via wiki-page jumping at the time I happened tob e looking for a new nick
Valfor: so I picked one I thought looked interesting
mircea_popescu: how's brazil ?
mircea_popescu: in other pokemon/ethereum/andreas poponautikos/mit shit labs/us democratic party/usg news,
shinohai: <<< I do believe this accurately portrays the state of ethereum and the dao this morning.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-17 10:16 mircea_popescu: in other pokemon/ethereum/andreas poponautikos/mit shit labs/us democratic party/usg news,
shinohai: "Vitalik tries to switch ethereum to PoV (proof-of-vitalik) in an attempt to save a sinking DAO"
shinohai: Today is a good day.
mircea_popescu: maybe worth a qntra. kinda tenuous, but w/e.
shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: ;;seen mod6
gribble: mod6 was last seen in #trilema 9 hours, 54 minutes, and 28 seconds ago: <mod6> cool thx alf
thestringpuller: so mpex down? or maybe just proxies?
thestringpuller: yea. but order didn't go through via coinbr. jurov i think the proxy you're using is down.
thestringpuller: or something.
deedbot: [Trilema] Sometime in the 1880s, somewhere in the Danube valley -
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 8625 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Rodrigo Duarte Lopez (Chave utilizada na aula de seguranca de computacao) <>; ' -
asciilifeform: ^ flipolade. snore.
mircea_popescu: Chave utilizada na aula de seguranca de computacao part is lulzy enough.
asciilifeform: btw asciilifeform has a sort of hindbrain reaction to 'seguranca', hearing it woke me up with a sweat on the airplane that one time...
asciilifeform: lul, the eth thing is finally burning down, and buterin nailed the exists shut
mircea_popescu: hey, they all knew better than mp and shit like that.
mircea_popescu: besides, i had no proof and what else. modern sciences.
asciilifeform: they still 'know'
asciilifeform: buterin's answer is... hardfork to roll back tx.
mircea_popescu: next thing you know mit labs is going to discover lightbulbs.
asciilifeform: (will he make new one every time some schmuck finds an 0day?)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform which siguranta is the reaction to ?
asciilifeform: the nazi one, naturally, that i was regaled with tales of as a boy
mircea_popescu: teh gestapo ?
asciilifeform: the ro gestapo
mircea_popescu: that's embarassing
mircea_popescu: if it makes you feel better, the word pretty much exclusively means "circuit breaker" in romanian.
asciilifeform: i know what it means.
asciilifeform: but it's a hindbrain thing, like seeing car labeled 'polizei' in germany
thestringpuller: So the ponzi came full circle?
thestringpuller: its slightly terrifying the amount of people willing to sign a contract before reading it.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-07 00:03 mircea_popescu: so looking at the shitcoins, "ethereum" switched with "ripple" YoY. hurr durr.
asciilifeform: 'So there is a recursive payout 'problem'? No there isn't. It was all in the specification. When the DAO was fund raising, it was explicit that the only thing that mattered was the DAO's contract code. Nothing else should be taken as being reliable. Well, the contract code is still operating exactly as it was specified. A 'hacker' is merely using the code in ways that were there to see, should anyone have looked. How can they be stea
asciilifeform: ling when they are just using the code?'
thestringpuller: The rollback is scandalous
thestringpuller: since you know they are violating the contract.
asciilifeform: somehow i missed the story of why the eth gang built another, inner shitcoin
thestringpuller: cuz corporations are better when run by computers
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "to create value"
asciilifeform: and smaller fleas, and smaller fleas, and so ad infinitum ??
thestringpuller: so they are going to now wind down teh dao?
thestringpuller: "Dao will only be able to withdrawal after hard fork"
mircea_popescu: (note incidentally that the ethereum monetary base increased 50% past week.)
asciilifeform: so they built a 'fed' ?!
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: yup. with buterin as the chairman!
asciilifeform: literally a bladder in which to temporarily store printolade while it cools down ?
thestringpuller: hey! inflation is good. because it pays for the miners!
thestringpuller: lets just steal from everyone to pay for the nice thing!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform next, watch the usg agents derping about how "cryptocurrency is dead because our shitscheme imploded" ; and once that goes nowhere, watch them come back to bitcoin to "fix" the "consensus problems" it "has".
asciilifeform: come back to ?!
asciilifeform: i dun remember the 'fixers' ever leaving
mircea_popescu: yeah, they lost about 70% volume past months.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: you'll likely see vocal people pushing for hard forks to prevent scams in Bitcoin.
thestringpuller: the regulation bitcoin needs-TM
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: recall (this is in the logs) mit has a remote-updated-blacklist gavinatronic client ready to roll
mircea_popescu: "let us apply the experience of mit-genius rockheadboy. mongoloids have things to say about theatre! they learned a lot of valuable insights in the sanitarium!"
asciilifeform: slide deck leaked a few months ago.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform slide deck doth not a client make.
mircea_popescu: they have a slide deck for how they wanted ethershitium to work, also.
asciilifeform: hey not like this is deep science
mircea_popescu: depends for whom.
asciilifeform: iirc hearn had public source for it
mircea_popescu: apparently they went to a different kindergarten than yours.
asciilifeform: pulls addrs from mothership and nulls all tx containing them
asciilifeform: or sumthinglikethat.
mircea_popescu: shinohai did you write up the eth thing ?
shinohai: yeah mircea_popescu I put it in "later"
shinohai: but haven't seen BingoBoingo
mircea_popescu: does it say something like "nationalization of the whole scheme is regarded as the solution by the technologically challenged MIT troop" ?
mircea_popescu: cuz seriously, this is what they want to do, "we fucked up so let's confiscate everyone's stuff and start over"
shinohai: i did include the confiscation / immutability thing
asciilifeform: well the 'consensual' lie is 'not everyone's! only the sc4mz0r's!'
mircea_popescu: aite then
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is what every government always says about every currency nationalization ever.
asciilifeform: naturally
mircea_popescu: i suppose accused rapist could say "i didn't rape everyone, just this one".
asciilifeform: 'come and redeem old rubles for new rubles, but NOT YOU MOTHERFUCKER WITH THE MATTRESS'
mircea_popescu: no idea how this constitutes a defense, but each his own
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Addind links and history
shinohai tips hat
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Further lulz added and published
deedbot: [Qntra] Buterin's Waterfall Unveils Log Plume To Wood Chipper Ride -
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell thestringpuller Don't think that I don't see you missing days Gotta poast every day
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: ;;later tell BingoBoingo I know. I know! It's like making sure to stand every hour from the computer. Or go to the gym everyday.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: move along
BingoBoingo: In other news Trey Parker of South Park is starting to become transcartman
shinohai: wow hes tubby
shinohai: Respect mah authoritah
mircea_popescu: lol conspicuously missing, the hanno boeck "i already had published this nowhere" angle.
mircea_popescu: ahahaha transcartman
BingoBoingo: hanno boeck is for shitgnomming GPG, other shitgnomes for this
mircea_popescu: amusamentarium ahahaha o god.
BingoBoingo: To be fair Trey has a long way to go before fully Cartman
mircea_popescu: ciscum-cartman ?
mircea_popescu: ahahaha "one of the world's leading security audit companies, dejavu security"
mircea_popescu: god help us, we're drowning in molten comedy gold.
BingoBoingo: I dunno how to conjugate adjectives in pig latin
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: boeck is busy elsewhere,
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they can just clone these at will anyway.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, the beheading hurt something fierce, check out all the various research they're giving him to publish to prop him up. win-win lol.
asciilifeform: for a headless horseman, he gallops pretty well.
mircea_popescu: ah the internets have delivered this friday.
shinohai: I woke up this morning and died laughing when i saw dao "b/c"
mircea_popescu: "Stephan Tual is the Founder and COO of Previously CCO for the Ethereum project, Stephan has three startups under his belt and brings 20 years of enterprise IT experience to the project. Before discovering the Blockchain, Stephan held CTO positions at leading data analytics companies in London with clients including VISA Europe and BP." <<< schmuck who wrote a blogpost so fucking dumb, it took me 10 minute
mircea_popescu: s to realise he wasn't mocking the inept mit shit but actually playing it straight.
mircea_popescu: this is vaguely reminiscent of the power rangers sucking themselves off on reddit about how great they were at testing some shitlibrary they wrote.
mircea_popescu: other names for prosterity : griff green
thestringpuller: LOL: 1/2 "Thief" now probably coordinating an effort to oppose the hardfork that would see the DAO token holders getting their ETH back
thestringpuller: 2/2 - I'd be VERY interested to know the identify of anyone coordinating an effort to oppose a hardfork. PM me
mircea_popescu: hurr durr.
thestringpuller: holy shit this is gold
thestringpuller: anyone making a killing on shorting eth/dao today?
mircea_popescu: nao wat.
mircea_popescu: shinohai well... plenty of slack there naimean ?
asciilifeform: the slack in question might be a proprietary chat proggy
mircea_popescu: anyway, /me loves how teh usg is spending its crap fiat to try and prop up a crap altcoin.
thestringpuller: Slack is IRC when you slap a bunch fo Javascript and CSS on it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah it's some sort of irc
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: it is a kind of poor man's irc. has centralized logs, bots, etc. for money.
shinohai: its hippy irc
mircea_popescu: in the sense ubuntu is linux and systemd a demon
asciilifeform: it is payware, centralized, etc., sells subscriptions.
mircea_popescu: anyway. so they're in well over 100 fake mn by now. what's the budget for propping up the scamcoin ? any guesses ?
asciilifeform: maxint.
asciilifeform: and it isn't like they had to ~spend~ any
mircea_popescu: so they're actually gonna pay out the whole billion the shitpile is supposedly "market cap" ?
asciilifeform: i doubt they'll pay a cent.
asciilifeform: thing was a scheme for snarfing up btc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, the fiat exchanges are even faker than the bitcoin ones, but still, money IS bleeding out. i can assure you of that much :D
asciilifeform: i dun get it. chumps bought in, usg (via shill exchanges) collected usd, btc, in return for shitcoin. that is now worth 0. what does usg lose ?
mircea_popescu: anyway. hopefully they don't get spooked and do as you say. end up paying the market cap out of pocket a dozen times over the next coupla years, one for each consecutive hole.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the "chumps" bought in worth less than 100k.
mircea_popescu: EVERYTHING else you see is mostly fake in the sense of "my webpage can print any numbers i want it to", and less so in the sense "mit will pay so you say shit smells nice"
mircea_popescu: about 97% to 3% or thereabouts being the split of these two categories, historically.
asciilifeform: then what was the point ? laundry for coke machine plundered btc ?
mircea_popescu: today, more like 84 to 16.
mircea_popescu: the point is EXACTLY the same ineptitude of usgism that created the taliban, "russians must have competitor", and then the isis "taliban must have competitor" and so on.
asciilifeform: i read eth as a standard altcoin scam. 'i'll take your btc, and you can have this magical thing'
mircea_popescu: except these aren't made out of real people, but out of esltards and other civilised shitheads, so they keep falling over.
mircea_popescu: mno, it was ripple v2.0, "usg must have a horse in the race".
mircea_popescu: unfortunately for the "greatest country^H^H^H^H^Hgovernment in the world"'s ambitions, the horse keeps turning out lame and slutty.
shinohai: dao -34.34 % <<< another 10% since this morning
asciilifeform: shinohai: dun worry, buterin will turn on time rewinding machine !11111 and unhappen it.
shinohai: yay for do overs
mircea_popescu: with any luck after he does that he could maybe get a job consulting for the clinton she-slug
mircea_popescu: undo various things, make it be 1992 all over again.
asciilifeform: he will have job when slug is elected.
asciilifeform: and replaces his current boss.
mircea_popescu: and if not elected - unhappen election ? :D
asciilifeform: only way clitler isn't elected is if election is cancelled.
thestringpuller: Funny. Ethereum was able to recreate the traditional banking system in 1% of the time! With bailouts and everything.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you got a ~57% chance of eating crow come december you know.
mircea_popescu: i'm kinda curious how that'll go :D
asciilifeform: if bbet were around, it would go with me losing some coinz
asciilifeform: as per the last crow.
asciilifeform: << lulzy piece, re one of the ways moneyz are pried loose from folk who dun belong having any
deedbot: [Qntra] In Piece About Journalists Getting Definitions Wrong WaPo Gets Definition Wrong -
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 741.37, vol: 16521.92719398 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 716.517, vol: 13639.79754 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 741.65, vol: 110284.08618994 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 675.0, vol: 3.51664731 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 747.881, vol: 76696.04950000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 741.25, vol: 6765.55420433 | Volume-weighted last average: 742.219500141
BingoBoingo: << These fuckers forgot to include Waco in their list too!
BingoBoingo: $up fromphuctor
deedbot: fromphuctor voiced for 30 minutes.
fromphuctor: Hey, thanks.
BingoBoingo: You're welcome, now who's your daddy and what does he do.
fromphuctor: I have a bunch of RSA moduli I'd like to test. The phuctor entry page says it requires GPG public keys. How do I format them as GPG keys?
fromphuctor: I have the moduli and the exponents in hex or base64, but I'm not familiar with GPG.
asciilifeform: fromphuctor: where did your moduli come from ?
fromphuctor: x509 certificates for various timestamping servers. All either 2048-bit or 4096-bit, all exponents are 65537.
fromphuctor: This is most idle curiosity on my part, but I think this project is cool.
asciilifeform: fromphuctor: contact jurov, he has a tool for this
fromphuctor: Also if one should be weak, I'll skip using that server.
fromphuctor: PM jurov?
fromphuctor: I'd rather know what the format is and assemble the bits in linqpad, if anyone has a reference lying around. Can't seem to find it quickly via google.
asciilifeform: ;;google rfc4880
gribble: Error: We broke The Google!
fromphuctor: awesome
fromphuctor: Ah, so I should have been searching for PGP not GPG
fromphuctor: GPG is just an implementation of PGP
fromphuctor: Would be nice to paste in SSH keys too, not just PGP.
fromphuctor: Feature request
asciilifeform: fromphuctor: this is in the works. (it will take a while, because it makes the thing roughly 2x more complicated)
fromphuctor: All it's doing is extracting the rsa modulus before it gets to work, right?
asciilifeform: correct. but the actual db shuffling and conversion to pretty printed www material, etc. is laborious.
fromphuctor: So pasting in a bare modulus would be the easiest, and GPG and SSH would just be fancyness to make the website easy to use
asciilifeform: well no, roughly 95% of the code is related specifically to displaying gpg-format keys.
asciilifeform: (the kind that have fingerprints, usernames, series of moduli that may be shared between multiple keys, etc)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform oh yeah ? how much ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: which
a111: Logged on 2016-06-17 16:24 asciilifeform: if bbet were around, it would go with me losing some coinz
mircea_popescu: the other piece is fucking ridicuouls, "100 of instances worth 30mn a year" is ~the global market of nose hair salons.
phf: ten watch. such much?
asciilifeform: another coupla
trinque: << what the fuck are threat vectors and aberrant behavior ranges
mircea_popescu: phf lol!
fromphuctor: Looks like it's going to take me a while to get up to speed on pgp. Is there even a way to minimally wrap an RSA public key without entering name and info fields?
trinque: phf: would you be connecting to the db via ?
fromphuctor: Or do I have to make up dummy names and email addresses? How does that affect phuctor?
asciilifeform: it is harmless
mircea_popescu: and the fucking examples are from colombia and whatnot. tell you what, newspapers here were full of some woman who ran a parillada (cheaapo restaurant) who had her kid kidnapped which the newspapers related to her "flashing lots of money" and "publicly declaring she's making asd much as 10-15k pesos a month" (about $800)
asciilifeform: fromphuctor: in fact, this is recommended practice, say something in in the username string re 'this key generated by ... for ...' or the like.
asciilifeform: link back to your site, perhaps
mircea_popescu: traditionally marriage started with kidnapping a woman, much like rome started with borrowed sabines and all flocks of sheep ever started from the neighbour's sheep.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i meant the insurers
phf: trinque: oh you need to restrict ip?
mircea_popescu: now then : it's a major anthropological tradition, with millions of instances yearly and no dollar value, because the dollar is a meaningless measure of value.
asciilifeform: they are every bit as lulzy as antivirus firms
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, it's a fundamental behaviour at the intersextion of sexuality, property and generational change. so... whatevs.
mircea_popescu: sztupid article.
trinque: phf: yeah I mean, WONT STOP HITLER MITM, but I'd prefer putting your IP in the firewall and pg_hba
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: alludes to a largely undocumented insurance chumpatron of unknown size, hence link.
phf: trinque: sure, put and i have another ip which i need to fish out later
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's gunk from end to end, i'd rather "read" the excrement found in a bona fide chicken coop.
asciilifeform: will say how ? or argumento ad dirigible ?
mircea_popescu: << see the logs, this is covered, we even made a new tmsr standard for rsa.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-17 17:19 fromphuctor: So pasting in a bare modulus would be the easiest, and GPG and SSH would just be fancyness to make the website easy to use
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i started to say how : they miss any sort of comprehension of anything. vaguely alluding to shit they read on reddit dun count for journalism.
asciilifeform: "100 of instances worth 30mn a year" << is also, iirc, about same as the market of aston-martin. will say that a-m is also insignificant pissant unworthy of mention ?
asciilifeform: because it isn't disney ?
mircea_popescu: "terrorist security administration" ? lmao!
asciilifeform: yeah it looks somewhat like the 'nsa codename generator' from a few yrs back
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you read an article about "vehicles" that strictly discussed am i would say the AUTHOR is a pissant not worth the mention. which is what i;m saying here also.
mircea_popescu: similarly to how "programmers" of docker and javascript are pissants not worth the mention.
asciilifeform: unless i catastrophically misunderstand, proper kidnapping is intrinsically 'luxury vehicle', like a submarine or dirigible.
mircea_popescu: (fwiw, aston martin sells about half a bil a year, but w/e)
asciilifeform: inflation!111111
mircea_popescu: you catastrophically misunderstand. in no small part because you spend too much time reading idiots.
asciilifeform: prolly any is too much
asciilifeform: so what's a toyota kidnapping look like.
mircea_popescu: kidnapping is intrinsically a marriage arrangement / property settlement / revenue allocation device all in one.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-17 17:23 mircea_popescu: and the fucking examples are from colombia and whatnot. tell you what, newspapers here were full of some woman who ran a parillada (cheaapo restaurant) who had her kid kidnapped which the newspapers related to her "flashing lots of money" and "publicly declaring she's making asd much as 10-15k pesos a month" (about $800)
asciilifeform: that's of females
asciilifeform: now account for the males ?
mircea_popescu: kidnapping is generally women and children. kidnapped males are maybe 10%, maybe less.
mircea_popescu: (for a very good reason : you need someone to get the money together)
mircea_popescu: but when it does happen, it happens in cunt-centric societies, such as jewry and gypsy etc.
asciilifeform: where wife will happily pay out aha
mircea_popescu: moreover, where wife has the authority to settle estates and dispose of chattels.
mircea_popescu: awww! but ethereum continues to drop ? i thought the party had "infinite funds"! !!!
asciilifeform: patience!1111 they'll undrop!
mircea_popescu: mebbe when clinton wins.
asciilifeform: clitlercoin!111111
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's been ~100 cases of "kidnapping" reported in buenos aires last year alone. worth maybe about 1mn all together.
asciilifeform: how many corpse ?
mircea_popescu: these resulted in 1) 0 police interventions ; 2) 0 victims ; 3) a few dozen marriages
asciilifeform: sounds like ordinary bride-stealing
asciilifeform: as seen in pretty much 100% of sufficiently wild untouched orc tribe
mircea_popescu: which is what it mostly is. gotta somehow resolve the joint problems of 1. cunt and money flows need to be matched ; 2. age and money flows need to be matched ; 3. cunt flow and age must be matched.
mircea_popescu: there's scarcely any other stable solution possible to all this than "kidnapping"
asciilifeform: how does the ransom work tho
mircea_popescu: let's take some cases.
asciilifeform: if everybody knows the fella just wanted a bride, why would father pay ransom
mircea_popescu: 1. young man is worth X according to young woman, sqrt(X) according to woman's father. 2. man "kidnaps" woman, proving that he's actually worth sqrt(x)+k, where k is the safety margin the father allowed. 3. young couple needs money, and the old faggot owes.
mircea_popescu: 1. woman marries, has no children. this is almost always man's fault, but almost nowhere is this known. 2. woman divorces, marries new man, and has children. old man kidnaps child, wants payment for woman.
asciilifeform: nothing about finger-choppings in there tho!
mircea_popescu: which is exactly like "unjust enrichment" case in common law. "i gave youy a broken woman turns out she wasn't broken you owe me"
mircea_popescu: i dunno that any fingers were chopped.
mircea_popescu: another case : fambly does poorly economically, borrows, can't repay. lender goes : either you produce crops or human fat, but you'll produce. so they do. etc.
asciilifeform: so where are the old-fashioned kidnappings where they take 3 sons and send back the head of one, the ears of other, the nose of 3rd ?
mircea_popescu: not here.
mircea_popescu: think in terms of nuclear processes. "where are the pressures that create elements heavier than iron ?" "not in this star"
mircea_popescu: you need supernova, stuff like the soviets falling over, to BRIEFLY get such wonders.
asciilifeform: so happens that we have another su about to nova
asciilifeform: right here
mircea_popescu: o yeah, there'll be plenty of that once the us croaks and the power has to be split up.
mircea_popescu: think mexico++
mircea_popescu: but it won't much last. hard work and competence never lasts.
asciilifeform: like oil well, lasts for so long as the dinojuice is in the ground at sufficient pressure.
asciilifeform: after that - the roustabouts go home.
asciilifeform: as well they should.
asciilifeform: (laziness in resource-impoverished environment is adaptive. i could've sworn we did a thread re this...)
trinque: $key phf
phf: took me a while to figure out why my pgp key doesn't decrypt
trinque: lol, on the pubkey?
phf: that first deedbot url
phf: went pgpdump on it "this is all sigs, what manner of wizardry is this"
phf: i thought the chinese finally got to me
mircea_popescu: wait, urbit has a core team ?
asciilifeform: 'Urbit has a very good profiler (language integration makes up for a lot of elbow grease), and our attempts to squeeze out performance are usually successful. In extremis, anything can be jetted and probably will.' << yarvin
mircea_popescu: so nothing changed in two-three years ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: last i heard (but this was years ago) he had some sweatshop with a buncha college dudes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a further 20mn in the hole. an' the volume keeps on growing lolz.
asciilifeform: no moar than my electric co is in the hole. goes in, and mostly back out.
asciilifeform: not like his boiz are spending turkey dollars in bolivia.
asciilifeform: they pay ~100% back to landlords.
asciilifeform: that's the key here, fiatola is ~= a superconductor.
asciilifeform: if it 'quenches' - boom.
mircea_popescu: actually most of this is net capital outflows to ~bolivia.
asciilifeform: how's that
mircea_popescu: paying "good" dollars for fake altcoins. to people who aren't americans, or for that matter taxpayers.
mircea_popescu: this is currently, and for as long as it'll last, a black hole in the usg budget to parallel the f-35 airplane-coffeemaker-submarine combo.
mircea_popescu: that also drains ~10mn/hr or somesuch.
asciilifeform: in urbit's case, usg (in its andreessen horowitz face) is paying to keep a dozen bois fed ('press the clown face for a food pellet') and housed (subsidies to silicon valley land racket.) so about 1/1000th of a google.
mircea_popescu: looky, yarvin's fast food bill is no cost, he'd be eating it off ebt anyway. similarly whatever similar schmuck's credit card expenses to the tune of 5k we discussed recently.
asciilifeform: so where is the cost
mircea_popescu: this is mostly turkey-izable dollars, and by the million not by the thousand.
asciilifeform: if yer feeding the monkey regardless, why not have it do tricks.
asciilifeform: 'We'll announce specifics of a crowdsale soon, so I'm gonna dodge just a little. (Honestly, we're still deciding exactly how to do it). I can say, the idea is to sell a small number of stars and to cap the total number anyone can buy.' << finally the altcoin sc4mz0r motive.
mircea_popescu: and to best understand HOW the turkeyization works, consider the case of argentina, wherein exist both an old cuckold by the name turner as well as a young rapist by the name popescu. now, for whatever imponderable cargo cult reasons (see for discussion), the local cunts want "dollars". there's a huge difference between situation 1, where turner has 100, and situation 2, wh
mircea_popescu: ere BOTH turner and popescu have 100 : in the second situation, turner doesn't stand a chance.
asciilifeform: ^ not that it was ever a secret, was announced quite clearly on day1
mircea_popescu: this allows mp to turkey-ize the fake dollars, by denying a market to the usg agentura.
mircea_popescu: this is important.
asciilifeform: my understanding is that turner is living in a mental 1950s when he thinks he can pick up red phone, united fruit style, and call us marine corps.
asciilifeform: if his ar latifundista thing goes sideways
mircea_popescu: that's entirely his problem.
asciilifeform: not problem until he picks up the handset and nobody answers
mircea_popescu: but what's important here is the "turning fake dollars into turkey dolars through market destruction/replacement" mechanism.
mircea_popescu: the "convertibility" of 1:1 turkey dollars to fiat dollars is a very expensive proposition.
mircea_popescu: and this is exactly how soros raped the bank of england, fake convertibilities form circuits.
asciilifeform: arse-mouth system
mircea_popescu: the ~only solution is, obviously, a withdrawal of the usg inside its borders. which has been happening and is accelerating.
mircea_popescu: and which, as an end game, i'm perfectly fine with. who the fuck cares the soviets don't like living in the best countryt in the world. a) i told them to leave and b) if they deserved any better they'd shoot the gestapo.
asciilifeform: sorta like that famous (in certain circles) case where u.s. mint 'sold' crates of coins, at face value, and folks bought'em, putting it on a cc with 2% cashback, and loop
mircea_popescu: except there's no 2% here, i would be much surprised if a fiat dollar is worth a turkey cent.
asciilifeform: it is difficult to discuss 'it is worth'
asciilifeform: what is arcade token worth outside of arcade ?
asciilifeform: a washington metro pass in moscow ? etc
asciilifeform: 'Urbit has a strict membership code. No pedos and no Nazis. And especially no pedonazis.'
asciilifeform: 'For example, I would love to offer my own children a filtered Internet experience where I owned and controlled the filter. Ideally, that would mean an MITM proxy running on my own cloud server. I would not trust anyone else to MITM me or my children, but I feel quite comfortable MITMing my 8-year-old daughter. So that's another long-term use case.' << also mr mold
asciilifeform: oh so precious:
asciilifeform: 'I'd like to ask specifically about Fare's criticism of large jets. Since it's highly unlikely that the Hoon implementation is bug-for-bug compatible with the native markdown parser, is including that parser in a jet an "unprincipled exception" to Urbit's vision of deterministic functional purity? An even better example is the possible future inclusion of a native JS or Lua interpreter... V8 in particular is a massive project that ro
asciilifeform: utinely publishes breaking changes - note the trouble node.js has had tracking upstream.'
asciilifeform: ^ question from peanut gallery
mircea_popescu: trinque cnn moving on the buttered side.
mircea_popescu: this election's gonna be a total bloodbath.
asciilifeform: trump is no moar electable than perot was, and for same reason - will try to push the buttons that aren't connected to anything, and get belligerent, and has the resources to attempt to do something about it
mircea_popescu: there's a very simple choice, "push buttons connected to nothing in particular in the hopes that time machine activates and it's 1992 all over again" vs "push buttons connected to nothing in particular in the hopes that something burns down".
mircea_popescu: it currently looks like it's going to go the 2nd way.
asciilifeform: (then again it is quite possible that all of 'his' money is denominated in buffettola, and he's entirely compliant, i have nfi)
mircea_popescu: guy is ~a bankrupt tv star, "all his money" stuff is bs. he's poor as a church mouse, all his capital is imagologic.
asciilifeform: then entirely electable as an obamatronic muppet.
trinque: I see him more like the guy who, guts hanging out after a grenade, tries as he might to stuff them back in.
trinque: intentions don't really matter; it's whether he can do anything he's rambling about
trinque: I don't think he's a puppet; I think he's the spray-tanned caricature of something better cultures produce
mircea_popescu: trinque ~nothing he's said makes any sense in any actual perspective. the man's a walking soundbite.
asciilifeform: trinque: the last time they elected a fella who actually thought the buttons were connected, they had to shoot him later
trinque: we're gonna build a wall.. a great wall... so great
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i've not followed closely. maybe someone can produce an item of trump's that's actually actionable in any manner.
trinque: not at all
mircea_popescu: anyone bored enough to enumerate the "auto-surv stats" bs on that page ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: reads 100% shannonized
mircea_popescu: da fuck is this nonsense, 4 significant digit ek rate ? "gait" described in what looks like multiple bytes ?
mircea_popescu: no fucking way this makes any sort of sense.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha!
asciilifeform: it's a gag
asciilifeform: like that nsa generator
asciilifeform: i thought this was mighty clear
trinque: heh! who can tell
asciilifeform: the genuine article - afaik - never leaked.
asciilifeform: (at least not publicly)
mircea_popescu: there's no good way to distinguish sheer stupidity from randomness. the usg is ~about this dumb irl.
mircea_popescu: so no, not clear.
asciilifeform: i have nfi what the genuine stupidity looked like.
mircea_popescu: o wait, we have a breaking ethereum update :
asciilifeform: conan the barbarian ?
mircea_popescu: doing the martyred saint etherea of the dao!
mircea_popescu: (notice the rollbacks on her buttocks, also)
asciilifeform: lolbacks.
jurov: whoever wants my tool for converting rsa moduli to phuctor, send him to
jurov: (it's missing in da url, but it's set in stone now i guess)
trinque: hell I'll give Trump this: he's talked about pulling out of NATO and improving the relationship with Russia.
trinque: doesn't really count as a plan, but it's sanity
BingoBoingo: What the KGB did to American culture is unforgivable
trinque: eh I don't care; the US dicked the USSR in the ass whenever it could too
jurov: thestringpuller: still having probles with coinbr orders?
trinque: << and lately USG helps Al Qaeda / ISIS to what end? presumably to light a fire all along the southern border of Russia.
trinque: so the ass-dicking continueth
trinque: << huh, guess the "moderates" and the "terrorists" don't shoot each other when they mingle
trinque: $up Twix
deedbot: Twix voiced for 30 minutes.
trinque: hello Twix. who are you?
Twix: hi, i'm twix
trinque: Twix: what brings you here?
Twix: i don't really know
Twix: i think my bouncer remembered i joined a while ago
trinque: alrighty
BingoBoingo: Who is your daddy and what does he do?
shinohai: [dumbass]
Framedragger: asciilifeform: re openpgp format: wait a sec, doesn'tt the 'packet' (as they are called there it seems) containing user info have to be signed or sth?
Framedragger: are you sure your tool will parse an 'artificial' openpgp key generated from public e,N only?
Framedragger: jurov: are you around and if so did you end up finding a way to make this work?
jurov: Framedragger: yes it does
a111: Logged on 2016-05-02 14:24 jurov: if it requires self-signature, then testing ssh keys is out
jurov: you could have tested it yourself in less time than you typed above
Framedragger: notrly
mircea_popescu: Framedragger you'd be surprised what is ACTUALLY signed.
Framedragger: jurov: irc interface is for the lazy people
Framedragger: distributed computing on the other end
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: yeah, lol :(
jurov: um.. i thought copying and pasting code is for lazy people
jurov: but times have moved on, i see :)
Framedragger oblivious to any condescending remarks :P
Framedragger: impervious*
Framedragger: jurov: do you have a script which uses PGPy and generates rfc4880 from e,N, then?
jurov: lol you think the latter is better?
trinque: Framedragger oblivious to any condescending remarks :P << wahahaha
Framedragger: sometimes, maybe
a111: Logged on 2016-06-17 19:08 jurov: whoever wants my tool for converting rsa moduli to phuctor, send him to
Framedragger: look i just came back from an awesome mountain hike, can't even move my legs, but have just enough energy to re-use someone else's precious hacky code to test the ssh-rsa db entries
Framedragger: jurov: apologies for not spotting the above, and thank you muchly!
Framedragger: asciilifeform: yeah so i'll prolly end up dumping 10M ssh keys on phuctor's ass, via its web interface. i wonder if phuctor can handle parallel requests, to a point :P i won't be an asshole about it.
Framedragger: fwiw the db will still be available in e,N,IP format at
mircea_popescu: Framedragger that's a silly idea wtf. 99% of the work will be the web interfacing.
mircea_popescu: teh rambunctiousness o' youth.
Framedragger: alf doesn't have time for much else. but this is just me being restless
Framedragger: no hurries at all i guess
mircea_popescu: eh give the man a moment wouldja. it's been what, two days ?
Framedragger: kk, yeah, sorry!
mircea_popescu: i mean i get it, it's exciting and all, but really, it'll still be here next week an' no good reason to hussle peoples. nobody was tailgating the shit out of you when you were doing the crawling
Framedragger: i know, i'm not trying to tailgate, jeebus
Framedragger: 'ocourse.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger if you're itching for something to sink teeth into,
mircea_popescu: look into how to make a rebased version of any of the 3-4 items that await their rebasing.
mircea_popescu: figuring out how v works should keep you busy for at least a coupla days.
Framedragger: will take a look, ok. bbl
asciilifeform: Framedragger: if you send me a tarball, they'll go in wholesale.
asciilifeform: can even go in parallel with the current sks pump.
asciilifeform: (the latter is presently at 2580575/4265572 )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what did we have that was due for rebase ?
mircea_popescu: wasn't some stuff added by funkenstain and the p guy what was his name
asciilifeform: polarbeard
mircea_popescu: that guy eventually had enough of our dumbass an' left huh
mircea_popescu: aaand another 20mn.
mircea_popescu: 2.5 hours!
asciilifeform: the unhappenator is gonna have to work double-hard
asciilifeform: to unhappen this pile'of'shit.
asciilifeform: or were we not still on the eth thing
mircea_popescu: yea we were.
mircea_popescu: ~what i'm expecting is that in typical inept overwhelmed imperial bureaucracy fashion, some "ceiling"'s going to get hit and before the red tape can be cut through, the true buyer side'll be actually exposed and visible. a visage so grotesque and horrific as to forever mark itself in the hindbrains of all involved.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo in other nyooz, saw ad for quite intact row house for 26k-usd. then looked on map - it is across the street from the infamous pharmacy that was epicenter of bmore riot! go, buy ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: "poloniex" for instance (about 3/4 of the eth fakery) claims ~6k btc on the buy side. bullcrap.
mircea_popescu: (~80% of which is under 0.01 ftr)
shinohai: In Venezuela it is called pollon-ex
mircea_popescu: but anywya, it should be very instructive that the whole pretense of "1bn market cap" etc is based on a negligible sum of cash, that's not even truthfully exposed.
asciilifeform: $up rdponticelli
deedbot: rdponticelli voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: rdponticelli: hi?
asciilifeform: who might you be ?
rdponticelli: Same nick in wot
rdponticelli: Is mpex still functional?
rdponticelli: !ident
gribble: Nick 'rdponticelli', with hostmask 'rdponticelli!~quassel@', is identified as user 'rdponticelli', with GPG key id 007D7A89C6DF7B2D, key fingerprint 1BC479F968C1D01EA388673A007D7A89C6DF7B2D, and bitcoin address 1MdZetHwDt8SJjVZSkG9GrRdJWrXizu9RE
trinque: $gettrust deedbot rdponticelli
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 1 by 1 connections.
trinque: rdponticelli: you'll be able to self-voice with a PM to deedbot with $up
rdponticelli: Thank you
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ;;later tell BingoBoingo in other nyooz, saw ad for quite intact row house for 26k-usd. then looked on map - it is across the street from the infamous pharmacy that was epicenter of bmore riot! go, buy ? << But how many people can it quarter compared to Motel?
asciilifeform: i fuhget.
asciilifeform: prolly all sc4mz0rs.
BingoBoingo: 3BR < 6 Motels rooms
asciilifeform: but can you get fiber there.
asciilifeform: no fiber - may as well be antarctica.
BingoBoingo: Anyways that's not a scam. This is a scam
trinque: oh man, the fatties are lined up on the street here to go to the Trump "rally".
trinque: I suppose they're lucky the "rally" has seating and AC
BingoBoingo: Trump, fat. Clitler, fat.
mircea_popescu: they're both just old-man-fat, though.
mircea_popescu: aaand 150mn day on day. aww!
mircea_popescu: ethereum has officially cost 1% of the total mit endowment.
mircea_popescu: in one day.
mircea_popescu: with any luck, by 2017 they're entirely spent. that'd be such a perfect outcome of the whole ethereum idiocy i can't begin to tell you.
BingoBoingo: They'll just burn the next school's endowment.
shinohai: "Practically, this should mark the end of The DAO. The SlockIt folks should work hard to dismantle the fund and return the coins back to the investors in as orderly a fashion as possible.'
mircea_popescu: that was all cocky with bullshit has, of course, lost his voice.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-17 16:05 thestringpuller: 2/2 - I'd be VERY interested to know the identify of anyone coordinating an effort to oppose a hardfork. PM me
mircea_popescu: these brave weeklings, all tough and impressive as they've read on the inside of the eggshell.
thestringpuller: jurov: i'll try in a second
thestringpuller: jurov: it works
asciilifeform: << lulz from horse's mouth
thestringpuller: that was not supposed to blink like that
shinohai: "Reminder: the fact that we were reduced to begging exchanges and spamming our own blockchain is a testament to ethereum's decentralization"
thestringpuller: yea too many people are making money shorting eth right now to halt trading
trinque: shinohai: holy shit; I thought that was your mock-paraphrase
trinque: This is good for Ethereum! (TM) (R)
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 11340455409 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Daniel Almeida <>; ' -
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sucj idiots.
trinque: how the hell does a "distributed autonomous organization" give a statement
mircea_popescu: you don't understand how "the world" works.
trinque: must be like the voice of the people or something
mircea_popescu: yeah, speaking through whatever nigger.
mircea_popescu: vitalik niggerin, as the case may be.
mircea_popescu: $up smickles
deedbot: smickles voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: hey check it out, smickles ! how's eve ?
smickles: eh, the borked the market
smickles: *they being the game devs
mircea_popescu: was kinda borked afore, imo.
smickles: yeah, but you could still have fun with it, but now there are massive fees for trading. they are using it for an isk-sink
mircea_popescu: heh. is the society still active or anything ?
smickles: naw, unfortunately it died quickly. I gave a few goes at recovering it, but was unsuccessful
mircea_popescu: you gonna try eulora ?
smickles: I've got that on a list of things to do :)
mircea_popescu: $gettrust deedbot smickles
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 4 by 4 connections.
mircea_popescu: aite. you can self voice, pm deedbot $up
smickles: nifty
mircea_popescu: what else is new ?
smickles: not much, i'm having fun writing a trade bot again. going to do some machine learning stuff with it
mircea_popescu: wtf is an "indy" waitress.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-18 01:48 deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 11340455409 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Daniel Almeida <>; ' -
phf: << articled disappoints by not actually showing butt
a111: Logged on 2016-06-18 02:26 shinohai: <<< "I'm more than just a great ass"
a111: Logged on 2016-06-18 02:32 mircea_popescu: wtf is an "indy" waitress.
a111: Logged on 2015-07-08 17:08 mircea_popescu: mod6 "our free market is this thing you can only buy!!1"
a111: Logged on 2016-06-18 01:39 thestringpuller: yea too many people are making money shorting eth right now to halt trading
asciilifeform: 'Sherpany is the first independent platform that facilitates close, personal and tangible communication between companies, boards of directors and investors. Modern companies can solidify the loyalty of investors, focus on their work in the board of directors and increase corporate governance with Sherpany.' << wat.
asciilifeform: apparently cosmic rayz luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuv 'The Sherpany Investor Service lets you include your shareholders in advance of the General Meeting, recognise early what matters to them and facilitates new ways of voting (eVoting).'
BingoBoingo: lol "Ryan has endorsed Trump. But his use of the word “conscience” could prove helpful to delegates organizing the anti-Trump campaign because they are pushing to pass a “conscience clause” that would unbind delegates and allow them to vote for whomever they want"
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