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a111: Logged on 2016-06-08 01:46 asciilifeform: $google darkmathgirl
asciilifeform takes off hat.
BingoBoingo: aha, so alf just needs to get her to friend his livejournal
BingoBoingo assumes that alf being Russian must have a livejournal somewhere
asciilifeform: used to.
asciilifeform: pretty useless item.
BingoBoingo: Except for reinforcing your identity as a Russia
asciilifeform: thing's been ~dead for eons, you realize.
BingoBoingo: I thought it still thrived in .ru as what VK pretends to be
asciilifeform: 'thrive' is very much wrong word here.
asciilifeform: 'still squirms', perhaps.
asciilifeform: anyway, linked because earlier thread, and as illustration of what i think proper chix work like.
asciilifeform: kudos to Vexual for the archaeological sweat.
asciilifeform: perhaps he can dredge up the mud nyook next.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i need playing 'social net' gamez like i need a second arse.
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 45 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Timo Halbesma <T.L.R.Halbesma@uva.nl>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EA3020CDCD4CECB547E320E46FF6F6686F397656E19A4C437143EF9D6B0DAC28
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 45 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Enrico Zini <enrico@debian.org>; Enrico Zini <enrico@truelite.it>; Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.com>; Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/59193035CE75C92A2701BAE7930E75D22B2743E84765E63D4CDE48B39EB04247
deedbot: [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Whenever life gets you down… - http://www.contravex.com/2016/06/08/whenever-life-gets-you-down/
ben_vulpes: ahaha i had so much fun with lj
ben_vulpes: approx *all* cute chicks at the local public schools had ljs
ben_vulpes: graph was so delightfully walkable
ben_vulpes: oh man and the rave/burning man scene
ben_vulpes: so much hilarious entertaining trouble
ben_vulpes: "no ma, we were just out camping and shooting at a quarry all weekend"
ben_vulpes: 22-year olds from ca etc, "who the fuck are these kids"
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 5 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Brian McDonald <brianm@ou.edu>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/403ADCADE94C1040C399D0ADBF2FB49D66B5C1265718AC90EDDF2906C904DF37
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 5 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'addyGIRL <addyGIRL0@safe-mail.net>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3C16E916A1B9000F42AEA3C5B8543948091513B10CCC520BF05F8AE73C466B3A
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 5 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'ich_der_paul@web.de <ich_der_paul@web.de>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0EC2595B3A73D6A0E4E6FADA533889C908187FAF397A6D09DB6E0748891CB69D
asciilifeform: 'Prior to publishing https://blog.torproject.org/blog/statement The Tor Project requested that Jacob Appelbaum sign the attached separation agreement which includes a "mutual nondisparagement" clause and an agreement that he will not sue the Tor Project. After he declined to sign the agreement, they published their statement which is a blanket endorsement of any anonymous claims made against him.'
asciilifeform: 'The website bearing Appelbaum's name, which was originally purporting to be "his" website, was being built on the same day (May 27) that the separation agreement is dated and was initially sent to Appelbaum. On June 2nd he was given two hours to sign it and told that the contents of the agreement were non-negotiable.'
asciilifeform: 'There are strong indications that the website was created by Tor Project contractors and/or employees. Today, the website says "Before launch, we had placeholder text for the initial site design which we did not expect to become public. We never meant to impersonate Jake or to trick anyone." but the original tweet button (which many people clicked) produced a tweet saying "I just read on @ioerror's homepage ..." which shows this to
asciilifeform: be untrue.'
asciilifeform: 'The website also disclaims involvement with the TimeToDieJake twitter account (since renamed to VictimsOfJake) but that account was clearly coordinated with the launch of the site, even posting information from it ("at least 4 claims of sexual assaults") hours prior to it being published.'
asciilifeform: ^ still doesn't tell us WHY he was sacked. the attached thing is standard american boilerplate. ^
shinohai: The plot thickens ^
mircea_popescu: i don't get it. not like he was an employee or anything.
mircea_popescu: what "serparation"
a111: Logged on 2016-06-08 12:58 mircea_popescu: i don't get it. not like he was an employee or anything.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes west coast didn't suck balls 10-15 years ago, you sayin' ?!?!?!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hopefully the derp kills himself and there's one less jwz in the world.
asciilifeform: hopefully he does it with shaheed knapsack in tor hq also.
mircea_popescu: which, should be pointed out, is the fate of ALL JWZ's. whoever doesn't get butchered at the hands of the accursed state they so promoted, will be butchered at my hands once i'm done raping the state.
mircea_popescu: but there's no way out. so kill yourself today, save everyone the trouble.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mayo "just wanted to" dontchaknow.
asciilifeform: but wanted to ~what~ ??
asciilifeform: i still have nfi
mircea_popescu: "just wanted to".
asciilifeform: i dun get it. you gotta want to ~something~
mircea_popescu: maybe we should make a site, "victims of their own stupidity", there's a decent list by now, that debian fucktard, this fucktard, that kid with the "copyright", etcetera.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not these castrated fucks. they don't want to anything, they "just want to".
asciilifeform: even if it were 'want to sit in hammock and sip vodka' the sentence would compile ok
mircea_popescu: no, no, nothing like that. HE JUST WANTS TO.
asciilifeform: my brain barfs on the missing clause..
mircea_popescu: that's because you think there must be a clause. they're advanced, they can do without all sorts of things.
asciilifeform: apparently!
mircea_popescu: "to [clause]" is an obsolete form of patriarchy, in which to is a particle of power.
mircea_popescu: none of that, they're "feminists" and "democrats", to is now a modern form - THE FETISH of what it used to be.
mircea_popescu: and so "they just want to" nothing in particular.
asciilifeform: btw i can hardly wait for 'compiler is kyriarchy, all strings are equally valid program'
mircea_popescu: not gonna happen.
mircea_popescu: wtf is kyriarchy now.
asciilifeform: we had a thread
asciilifeform: it was this lulzy thing,
asciilifeform: $s kyriarchy
a111: 15 results for "kyriarchy", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=kyriarchy
mircea_popescu: oh oh, right. the thing we do, that they don't like. i remember now.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-08 13:13 mircea_popescu: which, should be pointed out, is the fate of ALL JWZ's. whoever doesn't get butchered at the hands of the accursed state they so promoted, will be butchered at my hands once i'm done raping the state.
mircea_popescu: but then again... meh. it's one of those things where the idiots that'd benefit will NEVER fucking take it to heart, and everyone else already read it 5000 times.
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu has time i would enjoy expanded bit re why appelbaum was a jwz.
mircea_popescu: what do you mean, why ?
asciilifeform: it isn't wholly obvious to me, what he was.
mircea_popescu: a) participated in usg scheme ; b) did not amass sufficient secret files to REALLY hurt the other participants.
mircea_popescu: where's his snowden stash ?
asciilifeform: and why 'had problemz'
asciilifeform: possibly coming out .
mircea_popescu: it's a very simple heuristic. 1) do you work with state outfit ; 2) are you there to ruin it.
asciilifeform: or why else he refused the hush money
mircea_popescu: yes, no -> jwz.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mno. it comes out THAT SAME DAY.
asciilifeform: that'd be a point - where is it?!
mircea_popescu: ie, the fucking day of may 27th.
mircea_popescu: also - idiot had no actual power. i can already see a jwz in the making when someone is "on twitter". bitch, you don't own twitter, and when you'll want to embarass the handler they'll just mothball it.
asciilifeform: that part puzzled me also
mircea_popescu: no gpg, no wot, no personal security like that nisman idiot, no independent voice -> jwz, you know it.
asciilifeform: didn't nisman have a guard, who 'stepped out for a smoke' or what was it.
mircea_popescu: he just spent the time before dropping bombs alone. i even commented in the logs re this, at the time.
mircea_popescu: dude... you pick all your friends and throw the mother of all parties downtown.
mircea_popescu: like a fucking wedding.
mircea_popescu: but the jwz shit can't really be taken out of the jwz shithead.
mircea_popescu: actually, maybe you explain this to me, since we're on it. what exactly can possibily fucking possess you to put your stuff on usg.imgur instead of building yout own platform ?
mircea_popescu: because you do it too, and when i tell you not to do it you do it more out of spite.
asciilifeform: resource allocation.
mircea_popescu: i'd really like to understand this shithead mechanism.
mircea_popescu: don\t tell me "you just wanted to"!
asciilifeform: nah, opposite
asciilifeform: dun want to enough.
mircea_popescu: bine acum zi-mi altceva : uite-ti familia ta la-nmormintarea ta. nu arati prea bine, plinge maica-ta...
mircea_popescu: and the fucking agents will go "here's some pics he put on imgur, and we know they're authentic because he used to put pics on imgur", and i'm going to say...
asciilifeform: agents have all my packets at telco, what of it
asciilifeform: dun matter if i paste on nazipaste or mircea_popescupaste.
mircea_popescu: keep thinking that, it's a road that leads to such wunderbar fruits.
asciilifeform: anyway i'm usually disinclined to post img at all, it is normally a waste of bw
mircea_popescu: nah, it's a nice tool to grow your own blog.
asciilifeform: i dun do that kind of blog
mircea_popescu: what "kinds" are there ?
mircea_popescu: this is like the girl that's "not that kind of girl". what, there's kinds ?
asciilifeform: can draw equivalence classes how you like, no?
mircea_popescu: depends what you then do with them.
asciilifeform: say, 1cock vs 2+
asciilifeform: or esl vs not. etc
mircea_popescu: what's this fallacy called, where in the first step you draw the classes as you like, and in the 2nd step you presume they care what meaning you wish ?
mircea_popescu: other than "racism", of course.
asciilifeform: the items being sorted dun need to care
mircea_popescu: consider the obvious example of the natural ring. yes you can sort the numbers as you like, such as for instance by digit count. but this doesn't mean you're then allowed to declare "mathematical properties" for the various categories you came up with.
asciilifeform: only if you actually have any
mircea_popescu: lest you come up with "one digit numbers are prime and two digit numbers are divisible by 2"
mircea_popescu: well that's what's at work here.
mircea_popescu: and a platonician will protest that "they're all the same kind" and you'll say "no i can subdivide them as i like". sure you can, but it's not necessarily meaningful. depends what you aim to do with the classes.
mircea_popescu: so what's this fallacy called then, i forget ? "classification fallacy" ?
asciilifeform: thing also is, it isn't as if wordpress posts are signed
asciilifeform: or at all practical to sign.
mircea_popescu: but at least you control the domain and server.
asciilifeform: usg controls dns. hoster - server.
mircea_popescu: sure, sure. neither of these are compatible with "twitter deleted my tweets".
asciilifeform: hitler can as easily emplace confession.gif there as on shitgur.
mircea_popescu: i also can't mathematicaly prove that "no more bugs will get in", nor is this a consideration when i fumigate.
mircea_popescu: no, not "as easily".
asciilifeform: hey i expect pastes to last a few hrs at most anyway
asciilifeform: the concern is planting
mircea_popescu: notrly. the concern is that the jwz is easily discouraged, and rather than take reasonable steps, he takes no steps, "because it's not worth it anyway"
mircea_popescu: which is exactly how the state works : by getting the males castrated, which is to say saying this, exactly.
asciilifeform: it is sorta like mircea_popescu's old article re carrying pistols
mircea_popescu: god fucking help the slavegirl that says "oh, beating me's not worth it, i'll do the bad anyway"
asciilifeform: i.e. heavy and won't help if they get the drop on you etc
mircea_popescu: but certainly god fucking help the harem where I ACCEPT THAT.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu has good point but i am still hard-pressed to see a difference between postin unsigned rubbish to one place vs another, in respect to confession.gif strictly
mircea_popescu: overton window problem. it's one thing to repudiate junk when purported to come from person ; it's another thing to repudiate junk when purported to come from known garbage dweller.
asciilifeform: in in other nyooz, Vexual wants in? is he banned or wut
mircea_popescu: i dunno lessee
mircea_popescu: apparently was o.O
asciilifeform: $up Vexual
deedbot: Vexual voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: lessee what he got
mircea_popescu: uh... he's not even here ?
asciilifeform brb, food
shinohai: Sounds like an entrepreneur to me, helping folks join mile-high club.
phf: given their stewardesses, that sounds like emirates ad
asciilifeform: '... the unnamed stewardess had made more than $1 million (Dh3.7 million) over two years. The papers, citing airline sources, said the passenger admitted that she seduced him into the lavatory for $2,000 (Dh7,400).' << either disinfo or mircea_popescu was wrong re 'no whore costs >500'
shinohai: mircea_popescu would tremble at the sight of the "$40 specials" crowd on backpage.
asciilifeform: i said > not <.
phf: asciilifeform: that's a specialty service though, girl wouldn't be able to make as much on the ground
mircea_popescu: phf competing with teh vietnam one huh.
asciilifeform: if you think about it, she pretty much has to charge x < ($usual_earth_fee + $cost_of_flight), or gurlz who aren't working as stewardesses could compete
mircea_popescu: lol not how it works. captive audience.
mircea_popescu: pretty boys willing to fuck old women on cruises can charge even more.
asciilifeform: captive but next flight could have 2nd gurl
asciilifeform: like the familiar statistician and his bomb.
phf: mircea_popescu: i missed the vietnam reference
asciilifeform: (i assume everyone knows that one)
mircea_popescu: (which incidentally is an absolute bar to any "woe me im poor". bitch, takes six months to learn how to dance passibly, after which you do the cruise circuit.)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: can be poor + ugly, neh ?
mircea_popescu: phf some derpy article re how vietnam airlines has bikini uniform and THIS is why the woman running it is making 1bn off the ipo.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is no such thing as an ugly male.
asciilifeform: dunno about that
asciilifeform: can be short, fat, old, etc
mircea_popescu: we were discussing young men ; you can't "be" fat, it's just a sign you've not been whipped enough.
mircea_popescu: and tom cruise is short enough.
mircea_popescu: anyway, bbl.
phf: hah, that vietnam thing is awesome, but also makes sense. asians love their bikini girls, arabs "only the best" money not an issue fucks
BingoBoingo: Here alf, have another image host? https://sli.mg/a/HYGEwY
phf: https://i.sli.mg/FSZWtA.jpg << that's the best one
BingoBoingo: Apparently "story in comments"
BingoBoingo: "Nortek, a building products manufacturer based in Providence, Rhode Island" << Why does China need them even with a bribe?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-08#1478846 << defect in man that could be 'fixed by whipping enough' is effectively permanent. just like, e.g., a defective cpu, might be hypothetically fixable with an ion beam machine, but NOBODY would ever even think of bothering.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-08 14:44 mircea_popescu: we were discussing young men ; you can't "be" fat, it's just a sign you've not been whipped enough.
asciilifeform: because why. it'd be like gluing a broken plastic fork.
asciilifeform: which is why 'hunchback straightens in the grave' (tm) (r)
phf: perhaps when there was less leverage, it made sense to apply whipping enough to men, now you need not bother, have all kinds of tools
asciilifeform: yyeaaaah who needs healthy serfs and for what!111 why not instead have this thick portfolio of leveraged paperola.
phf: well, it's something that struck me when i went to india, how poor there are mostly left the fuck alone. can live in a fishermen village, fish, make few rupies doing chores for tourists
asciilifeform: ditto poor whites in old american south
asciilifeform: (as described in mega-b00k 'mind of the south')
phf: in u.s. in contrast every strata of population is mandated to participate in some form of social program that ultimately monetizes, "creates jobs", etc.
asciilifeform: no income tax in india ?
asciilifeform: ... or simply too orcish to mechanize collection ?
phf: if only form of mandatory participation was income tax u.s. would be not a bad place to live
phf: but you can't take a piss without paperwork, cop and social worker
asciilifeform: income, sales, land, building permits, 1,001 taxes
asciilifeform: (e.g., even outlaw bandit pays u.s. sales tax if he ever buys from a shop)
phf: i was looking into buying land in Pennsylvania for the purposes of turning it into a kind of hippie retreat, kesey's "La Honda" style, and the amount of hoops you need to jump through in order to arrive at a cookie cutter american suburbs solution (and nothing else possible) is insane
asciilifeform: and as soon as somebody is caught with meth or whatever on it, it's gone.
phf: as soon as the neighboor sees a naked girl, complains to authorities
asciilifeform: then merely extortionate fines.
asciilifeform: state of wv has some (nominally) unencumbered land, but you will need tracked vehicle to get to it.
phf: oh, you want to have a welding shop on your property, that's forms a,b,c,d and auxilary form e. naturally there will be inspection
phf: yeah, there were a few options, but too far of a drive from philadelphia. now that i'm in dc, i might take a stab at wv
asciilifeform: wv is only really a solution if you're buying the lands to go there alone and shoot yer kalash at trees
asciilifeform: as soon as you invite strangers ('casual acquaintances') all bets - off.
asciilifeform: some chick breaks a leg, or wakes up with regrets - yer done.
asciilifeform: if you're rich enough that parcel of land being confiscated is no big deal, like a pocket knife stolen by inspectors at airport - go, buy.
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu once said that even he still owned something in usa, and can't even be arsed to liquidate
asciilifeform: (possibly i dreamed this)
phf: well, there are places on the east coast that get away with all kinds of things, between waivers, a legitimate cause, friendly neighboors, landscape, etc.
phf: perhaps i could apprentice at one of those operations first
asciilifeform: probably better idea
asciilifeform: than perma-buying first and rocking boat after.
phf: for example, i'm going to http://www.4qf.org coming weekend. place throws all kinds of insane parties (used to have the best east coast psy trance party before organizers moved elsewhere), but they presumably do that in addition to their default offering of what looks like "earth mother gaia healing" nonsense
asciilifeform: l0l orlov goes to that one iirc.
asciilifeform: you may very well run into him.
phf: ha, they are registered as a church
asciilifeform: give my regards.
asciilifeform: you can actually get some surprising mileage by registering as a religion in usa
asciilifeform: but unless your 'church' is actually popular, or politically inoffensive, it tends to have problems.
asciilifeform: (see the case of, e.g., peyote church, or davidians, or...)
phf: cue church of subgenius
asciilifeform: afaik state of the art is 'church-mafia hybrid' model, e.g., scientology
asciilifeform: infiltrate fbi, run uppity heretics over with bulldozers at night, etc.
trinque: now there's a success story... scientology
trinque: great job guys.
asciilifeform: afaik: 0 usg raids to date. 0 tax paid. 0 problemz.
asciilifeform: own motherfucking navy.
asciilifeform: ~that~ is how you run a cult.
asciilifeform: it wouldn't surprise me if they had a nuke.
asciilifeform: or other 'insurance policy.'
davout: on the downside they have tom cruise
asciilifeform: and maxint other cattle
asciilifeform: that's the general downside, and not only for churches but any other org that runs on cattle money.
asciilifeform: : it has to actually deal with the cattle.
davout: kind of like saying a farmer's job downside is having to deal with the cows
asciilifeform: it is though.
phf: why would they need to? their whole set of processes is designed to produce a healthy productive member of society (double positive intention), they are ultimatley aligned with whatever establishment they find themselves in
asciilifeform: phf: you're thinking of an official state church
asciilifeform: a setup like scientology has no particular need to be 'ecologically clean', can work the chumps to exhaustion
asciilifeform: for so long as new ones can be had.
phf: i'm saying "why would they need a nuke"
asciilifeform: insurance against wacoing.
trinque: they blackmailed usg into giving them tax exempt status
phf: if judaica is good at producing bankers, then sci is perfect for making junior ass lickers
phf: and thereone thing any bureaucratic system craves
phf: err
phf: and if there's one thing that any bureaucratic system craves it's junior ass lickers
asciilifeform: afaik they build narrowly-specialized arse lickers
asciilifeform: that aren't necessarily usable elsewhere.
trinque: can't really judge scientology by its slaves
asciilifeform: i am not mega-expert on it, but did at one point (by accident, even) end up in their museum in washington.
asciilifeform: it was quite lulzy.
trinque: for someone with the money/power, it's a tax haven. donate cash to scientology and then spend it through the church.
asciilifeform: also lulzy is that their cult object is a 1940s-style 'lie detector'
trinque: and if you're nobody, you're there to be worked to death and eaten
asciilifeform: i can imagine that a modern cult could be built around, e.g., mri machine.
asciilifeform: trinque: aha as per yesterday's thread re yudkowsky.
asciilifeform: i admit, i've always been fascinated with the folks who show up to be eaten. what motivates them? is it something like the participants in pyramid scheme ?
asciilifeform: 'i will be a chump but if i play cards right, i will have sub-chumps...' ??
phf: i think there are different levels and roles within the system, but i know for a fact that sci people are effective at bureaucrat, there's a number of them at capitol hill, doing internships with senators... (if we haven't before, t-a is now definitely suppresive)
asciilifeform: or is it simply that 'civilized society' is so loathesome that ANY alternative is welcome.
asciilifeform: phf: l0l aha
phf: while at it, let's also mention that pilot's self clearing book has some handy nlp's style exercises, and will give you a general idea as to what sci core training is about (sealing the deal on the whole suppresive thing)
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> state of wv has some (nominally) unencumbered land, but you will need tracked vehicle to get to it. << This is problem why? Tracked vehicle seems like small cost.
asciilifeform: granted i have nfi what is or is not 'small cost' to phf.
phf: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp6F_ApUq-c bunnie does a shenzhen documentary for wired
trinque: The silicon valley of hardware << L0L
trinque: how bout the valley is the shenzen of useless apps and ponzis
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 7825107835 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'ich_der_paul@web.de <ich_der_paul@web.de>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0EC2595B3A73D6A0E4E6FADA533889C908187FAF397A6D09DB6E0748891CB69D
asciilifeform: 'The encryption does not include an identity authentication scheme. This BIP does not cover a proposal to avoid MITM attacks during the encryption initialization.' << lel wastin' our time.
asciilifeform: re: earlier thread, am i the only one who is slightly astonished that scientology does not yet - afaik - have own altcoin ?
mircea_popescu: so for some reason, argentina envelopes don't have any glue. so they fucking staple them shut.
asciilifeform: this puts them behind sov state of the art.
mircea_popescu: i got here a pile of utility bills stapled into loose envelopes.
shinohai: Weird.
asciilifeform floored, wordless.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-08#1478856 << this is actually a pretty good point innit.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-08 15:43 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-08#1478846 << defect in man that could be 'fixed by whipping enough' is effectively permanent. just like, e.g., a defective cpu, might be hypothetically fixable with an ion beam machine, but NOBODY would ever even think of bothering.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-08#1478860 << see this is the problem, now you need it more than before, because the more leverage, the more small defects end up magnified. but, the bitch is, now you also can more than before avoid this responsibility. and since people do what they want rather than what they need...
a111: Logged on 2016-06-08 15:47 phf: perhaps when there was less leverage, it made sense to apply whipping enough to men, now you need not bother, have all kinds of tools
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-08#1478878 << nfi why you'd prop land values in us with all that effort.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-08 15:57 phf: yeah, there were a few options, but too far of a drive from philadelphia. now that i'm in dc, i might take a stab at wv
davout: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-08#1478934 <<< people see that "someone wants to help them"
a111: Logged on 2016-06-08 16:21 asciilifeform: i admit, i've always been fascinated with the folks who show up to be eaten. what motivates them? is it something like the participants in pyramid scheme ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-08#1478899 << at the very least get a senator.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-08 16:08 asciilifeform: infiltrate fbi, run uppity heretics over with bulldozers at night, etc.
davout: just put your hands on these secret electrods, buy these books to reach level 1 and put your check in the box
davout: *electrodes
mircea_popescu: tbh i never met anyone who was into the dumb shit. imo it's an 80s thing.
mircea_popescu: i equally can't explain the hair.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: best as i can tell it has ~0 traction outside of usa now.
mircea_popescu: well basically what is it IN the us, a sort of central casting for cheap white maids ?
mircea_popescu: iirc that was the whole shebang, get have-been hollywood stars to "join" in exchange for getting a few white slaves allocated.
asciilifeform: at one point - a sort of paramilitary / mafia thing, even.
asciilifeform: today - ???.
mircea_popescu: speaks loudly of what a shitty deal the us is to begin with.
asciilifeform: their 'join' is tax-writeoff tho.
asciilifeform: so - complicated.
deedbot: [Qntra] Social Media App Interaction Times Decline - http://qntra.net/2016/06/social-media-app-interaction-times-decline/
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-08#1478934 << boredom, quest for "meaning", human desire to belong, what.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-08 16:21 asciilifeform: i admit, i've always been fascinated with the folks who show up to be eaten. what motivates them? is it something like the participants in pyramid scheme ?
mircea_popescu: what makes womenz "want to get married an have childrenz"
asciilifeform: 'i'm boooored.' 'i'ma pound a nail through my scrotum'
mircea_popescu: this occurs.
mircea_popescu: phf what's t-a ?
asciilifeform: trilema-assets, clearly!11111111
asciilifeform: (titcoin-assets??)
a111: Logged on 2016-06-08 16:45 trinque: how bout the valley is the shenzen of useless apps and ponzis
a111: Logged on 2016-06-08 16:21 phf: i think there are different levels and roles within the system, but i know for a fact that sci people are effective at bureaucrat, there's a number of them at capitol hill, doing internships with senators... (if we haven't before, t-a is now definitely suppresive)
mircea_popescu: what's supressive then.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-08#1478942 << who's bunnie, and look at that, 2k views. wired is exactly http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-08#1478650
a111: Logged on 2016-06-08 02:36 mircea_popescu: ie, more "visits" than average usg fishwrap gets in a week. none of them yielded anything ~whatsoever~, which discorages exactly no one.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: scientology internal term for 'work of the devil'
a111: Logged on 2016-06-08 16:39 phf: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp6F_ApUq-c bunnie does a shenzhen documentary for wired
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform oh, so we're scientology-bad ? why ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they have a roughly nsa-like relationship with folks who discuss their 'trade seeekrits' in whatever public context.
asciilifeform: or once did, anyway.
mircea_popescu: know-nothing party eh ?
asciilifeform: or like old-school seekrit societies etc.
asciilifeform: bunnie is 'bunnie' huang, (at one point) well-known reverse engineer who cracked game consoles etc.
shinohai: I'll take "Thing you might see in mircea_popescu's beasement" for 0.5 BTC, Alex. http://i.4cdn.org/b/1465410271608.webm
mircea_popescu: nice oiling.
shinohai: ;;later tell http://ix.io/QlF <<< possibly lulzy enough for inclusion
gribble: Error: That is an invalid IRC nick. Please check your input.
shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/QlF <<< possibly lulzy enough for inclusion
gribble: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: grrr
deedbot: [Qntra] Rural Police Recapture Funds Liberated In Social Engineering Coup - http://qntra.net/2016/06/rural-police-recapture-funds-liberated-in-social-engineering-coup/
BingoBoingo: ty shinohai
shinohai: And I thank you. Incredible that public officials blindly send funds like that.
mircea_popescu: kinda how these scams work.
shinohai: lulz
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-08#1479006 << incidentally, that's a fucking c section innit.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-08 19:03 shinohai: I'll take "Thing you might see in mircea_popescu's beasement" for 0.5 BTC, Alex. http://i.4cdn.org/b/1465410271608.webm
shinohai: Good eye Mr. P
a111: Logged on 2016-06-08 19:03 shinohai: I'll take "Thing you might see in mircea_popescu's beasement" for 0.5 BTC, Alex. http://i.4cdn.org/b/1465410271608.webm
shinohai: Yeah, that's 4chan.
shinohai: >tfw Erik Voorhees gets a reddit ban
shinohai: http://archive.is/I203O <<< vote brigading
deedbot: [Qntra] US Loses 40% Of Women To Mayo Gender Transition - http://qntra.net/2016/06/us-loses-40-of-women-to-mayo-gender-transition/
trinque: Today it was me who was wrong. << cannot help but read this in the voice of randy marsh
asciilifeform: was voorhees ~always~ scum or was he hit once too many in the head or what .
shinohai: Always scum imho
asciilifeform: iirc he was well-regarded in #b-a at one point (but largely before my time)
BingoBoingo: Sometimes stupid takes time to reveal itself if the package is polished and the rest of the crowd is covered in shit it can be hard to discern the smell of shit inside the box.
asciilifeform: ftr, what i said re voorhees's dice in feb. '13: 'Satoshi Dice is a can of worms which almost deserves its own discussion. It is, at its core, a simple “numbers game.” That is to say, an industrial-strength harvester of chump money, precisely the kind of thing which Popescu expresses his disdain for at every opportunity. But listing its stock on MPEx does not bother him, because there are suff
asciilifeform: iciently many layers of isolation between him and the chumps.'
asciilifeform: sdice was a pretty good 'torture test' of the network tho!
asciilifeform: but after that, voorhees moved on to illustrious career of spamming, mlm, and usg collaboaration..
asciilifeform: *collaboration
shinohai: And playing the victim to anyone that will listen, ala Roger Ver.
asciilifeform: imho that's the peculiar thing
asciilifeform: wtf did the man do with his mountain of coin?
asciilifeform: blew on vodka ?
shinohai: I dunno re: voorhees. Ver seems to have poured his into some shitty gambling page on his btc site.
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 415411 | Current Difficulty: 1.9606142393964996E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 417311 | Next Difficulty In: 1900 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 0 hours, 19 minutes, and 43 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, losts of people started with very promising qualities ended up making all the wrong choices.
mircea_popescu: is old trilema article, re rocks and birds, and envying people.
asciilifeform: the one where 'and then the stone convinced the animals of the forest to throw him up into the air' ?
mircea_popescu: haha nah, the one with this guy's daughter.
mircea_popescu: lemme fish it out
mircea_popescu: companion piece to http://trilema.com/2010/moartea-ca-o-veste-buna/ which is the exact same story in the other perspective.
asciilifeform: hm i recall this for some reason
asciilifeform: it must have come up in another piece
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's dead phriend
asciilifeform: and, if i read correctly, his descendants live in rent
asciilifeform: but this is not entirely applicable to btc planet - unlike fiatola, it does not evaporate at room temperature
mircea_popescu: the difference between theory and practice is that in practice theory wears anal retractors.
asciilifeform: retractors??
deedbot: [Qntra] Bitcoin Difficulty Dials Back 1.63% - http://qntra.net/2016/06/bitcoin-difficulty-dials-back-1-63/
mircea_popescu: $google retractor
deedbot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retractor_(medical) << Retractor (medical) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://www.dictionary.com/browse/retractor << Retractor | Define Retractor at Dictionary.com | http://www.extron.com/ccretractor-nf1089as << Extron Cable Cubby Series/2 - Retractor
mircea_popescu: should prolly have googled for "anal retractor", they're pretty... elaborate.
mircea_popescu: $google graham-stewart retractor
deedbot: http://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-football/hc-uconn-football-graham-stewart-1115-20151114-story.html << Graham Stewart Tackles The Hard Jobs For UConn - Hartford Courant | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Stuart_(politician) << Graham Stuart (politician) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://www.uconnhuskies.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/graham_stewart_810042.html << Graham Stewart
mircea_popescu: $google parks retractor
deedbot: http://www.cssurgical.com/parks-anal-retractor << Park's Anal Retractor | http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9293932 << Influence of Parks' anal retractor on anal sphincter pressures. | http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF02050926 << Influence of Parks' anal retractor on anal sphincter pressures ...
asciilifeform: for some reason, whenever i think of 'early adopters' and voorheeses who 'lost it all', i think of the proverbial monkey trap with the gourd full of goodies
mircea_popescu: most women sexually active in the 70s had a very similar looking piece. for curving eyelashes.
asciilifeform: where he grabs a bunch and can't get hand out, and then hunter comes
asciilifeform: the 'thrown rock' is a good point.
asciilifeform: as in the threads re lottery winners.
mircea_popescu: too much nightlyfe!
asciilifeform: and iirc many (most?) lottery winners go broke precisely from inept attempts to attach wings and engine to their rock.
asciilifeform: ('investing' in idiocies of 'friends', relatives)
mircea_popescu: hey, paul graham was harping about how "that's important" and "the core of america's prosperity", that he and the rest of his inept friends, govt lottery winners, "invest" and so cause economic growth
asciilifeform: even he had article on precisely this!
mircea_popescu: meanwhile they're all poor like church mice, and somehow they can't afford the paper to publish the retraction.
asciilifeform: (before going moron)
mircea_popescu: funny how this works, with inept kids. first it's all "but i wouldn't shoot without a cause, i'd gun nobody down"
mircea_popescu: then as the blood's fattening the dust, it's all silent.
mircea_popescu: where the fuck'\s the part where the idiot goes "oh, NOW i get what mom meant!"
mircea_popescu: "i thought she meant she's affraid for the world on my account! honest i did! but no, turns out..."
asciilifeform: http://paulgraham.com/selfindulgence.html << where he discusses falling rocks
asciilifeform: 'In most people's minds, spending money on luxuries sets off alarms that making investments doesn't. Luxuries seem self-indulgent. And unless you got the money by inheriting it or winning a lottery, you've already been thoroughly trained that self-indulgence leads to trouble. Investing bypasses those alarms. You're not spending the money; you're just moving it from one asset to another. Which is why
asciilifeform: people trying to sell you expensive things say "it's an investment."'
mircea_popescu: "most people" being anglo-protestants.
asciilifeform: how's that? eskimo will blow maxint on coke and not even blink ?
mircea_popescu: russian certainly will.
asciilifeform: the way i read pg's thing, it was reasonably sane, hypothesis being that bad investment is more like pouring petron into a leaky tank, you don't ~think~ you've destroyed it
asciilifeform: whereas buying and snorting the coke - is unambiguous spend
asciilifeform: *petrol
mircea_popescu: there's more things that sound reasonable than there's reason to go around.
asciilifeform: since when is sanity a conserved quantity.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, since year 6100 after creation ?
mircea_popescu: in other happy news, industrial strength and size tin foil here (1km) comes wrapped around this lovely hard cardboard roll that actually makes a fucking great beating implement!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu bought 1km of foil?! did he also buy 1km of plastic wrap ?
asciilifeform: will make supercapacitor?!
mircea_popescu: i bought more plastic wrap than that.
asciilifeform: (charge with 'D' battery, kill a grown man)
mircea_popescu: you have any idea how much metrage goes into wrapping one single girl ?
asciilifeform: iirc somebody sells a handy shrinkwrap gizmo for this
asciilifeform: gurl wears a snorkel
mircea_popescu: pro memoria : if she's even marginally worth fucking, there's going to be 40+ inches which is more than 1 meter around various points.
mircea_popescu: but come to think about it, you're damned right, could re-roll 1km of hard tin foil + plastic wrap on an empty roll, charge it and kill whoever.
mircea_popescu: talk about unexpected weapons.
asciilifeform: for best lulz, can charge w/out battery entirely
asciilifeform: solely friction.
mircea_popescu: the jack off tabernacle. rub for jesus!
asciilifeform: hand cranked drill worx
asciilifeform: dun need no stinkin' modern electronix, see, to make trouble.
mircea_popescu: alternatively, could just connect it to airplane body frame, see what happenes.
mircea_popescu: maybe the windows reboots.
BingoBoingo: No way in fuck is that shit grass.
mircea_popescu: so cut his astroturf for 10 bux :D
BingoBoingo: lots of clover, henbit, and bugleweed but grass is conspicuously absent
BingoBoingo: ~225 usd and I'd turn it into grass this fall when its planting time ~350 usd I'd even return in the spring to make sure it is still grass over summer 2017
BingoBoingo: But that weedpatch is at least 10 USD in gas away from anyone with a motor vehicle capable of transporting a mower.
BingoBoingo: *anyone with such a vehicle that isn't making better money burning down houses to steal the brick*
shinohai: Is sale of supposed Louisiana driver's license db on darknet worth a writeup BingoBoingo ?
BingoBoingo: Maybe? Anyone cool have a louisiana driver's license?
shinohai: I personally don't know anyone there.
BingoBoingo: I guess it's worth a mention if you keep it short and end it with "Was this yet another social media liberation by Peace? Him in our time."
BingoBoingo: And if the leak is legit.
BingoBoingo: But if its an unverifiable sale prolly not.
shinohai: There seems to be a sample that was leaked, could easily be faked however.
BingoBoingo: yeah, boring
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell phf How good are you with motors https://stlouis.craigslist.org/lbg/5625233326.html
gribble: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: Yeah think I will watch it and see if any more verifiable info leaks.
BingoBoingo: Incredibru opportunity for people who want to https://stlouis.craigslist.org/evg/5624774786.html
mircea_popescu: nubiansufi.com ?
trinque: NUBIAN SUFI.COM is your Global E-Commerce Genies and 24/ 7 IT Magi for small business upgrades! We are also bringing Entrepreneur programs for the financial upliftment of the people through Global Income attainment and new age technological enlightenment for the Enrichment of the People. To put it simple,....The People's Wish is our Digital Command!
trinque: seems legit
phf: that motors gig looks cool
shinohai: The dindu security job however, not so good.
mircea_popescu: trinque so basically this is the cheap bullshit neoprotestand idiots have been inflicting upon africa for a few decades, come home to roost.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And like in africa they are actually organizing a militia this time!
trinque: funny thing is they probably thing it sounds dumb *coming from them*
trinque: *think
shinohai: Jerry Seinfeld doing an AMA tonite. If it wasn't on reddit ...
mircea_popescu: "what's it like to have nothing to say"
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 582.77, vol: 3272.34711430 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 568.75, vol: 5006.73578 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 582.6799999999999, vol: 18185.43802444 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 565.0, vol: 0 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 590.167476, vol: 30573.94460000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 581.98, vol: 1367.06674594 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 587.0485, vol: 40.31194395 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 585.395189016
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the motor thing sounded appealing until it mentioned other people being present
BingoBoingo: Hence the referral to phf who mentioned earlier wanting people present in a "nowhere"
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