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ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-12#1466205 << who thought it was a good idea to a) send luke-jr on a diplomatic mission to tmsr b) with no formal ask
a111: Logged on 2016-05-12 15:40 asciilifeform: $up luke-jr
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell luke-jr trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the muppets live off pretense and derpage. perfectly self-consistent.
mircea_popescu: bad crop, bad pose, what the fuck is it with the milkstained, nipple torn bra and so on.
mircea_popescu: fucking 80s, man...
shinohai: Still rather nice to wake up to I'd say.
mircea_popescu: girl's clearly havign fun / feeling safe / all in lubs and shit. which is definitely something that went out of porn with the end of the 80s.
shinohai: ;;later tell mod6 I almost have bot able to accept tickets, needs a few tweaks.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: I got obsessed with tbot features last night.
mircea_popescu: pretty cool.
shinohai: I am getting this error for some reason when generating ascii graphs: Warning: Layouter could only place 31 nodes/31 edges out of 31/34 - giving up at t.pl line 312.
shinohai: But it looks to print fine.
mircea_popescu: i suppose i tell him to write for qntra ? :D
shinohai: Just go ahead and write the Chicago Trib and NYT while yer at it bub
shinohai Listens to the mixtape
mircea_popescu: used to be how this worked, 150 or so years ago. you wrote to the newspaper, and they were so impressed you could write at all they'd hire you.
mircea_popescu: fuck, 50 years ago people'd be so impressed you had a computer at all they'd hire you. etc.
shinohai: Worked for Robert Ripley
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm about to see expo at ro embassy. anything specifically lulzy there to watch for ?
asciilifeform: in other lulz,
asciilifeform: somebody's snarfing all of the /download/-able keyz off phuctor
asciilifeform: somebody really caaaaarez!11111
asciilifeform waves at 217.70.197.244
mircea_popescu: lol nothing wrong with that is there ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, i can't recall who's wash ro ambassador. but traditionalyl that thing's a total rat's nest of spyppls.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it had the biggest discone antenna i've ever seen on a roof
a111: Logged on 2016-05-14 14:38 mircea_popescu: lol nothing wrong with that is there ?
ben_vulpes: boeck's going to show up with all of the keys and a backdated modulus or two now
ben_vulpes: now that he's got the whole keyset he can properly duplicate and backdate stan's work
mircea_popescu: ah heh. myeah.
mircea_popescu: and "nobody knows" that new ones pop here as they happen, ofcourse. lettuce not be divisive.
asciilifeform: i dun get it, why leech from my site vs sks
asciilifeform: and holy shit, 3blox of queue for ro
mircea_popescu: i think you might have found the us spy convention.
mod6: shinohai: ah cool man.
asciilifeform: no spy recruit booth, i am mega-disappoint!11111
davout: asciilifeform: you didn't spot it, you failed the test
asciilifeform: davout: evidently!
BingoBoingo waits for the eventually day when alf wanders into an embassy and the embassy doesn't let him leave.
mircea_popescu: or maybe the day BingoBoingo wanders into a cunt and the cunt doesn't let him leave/
BingoBoingo: Serious hazard.
mircea_popescu: lost forever in the streets of whaledom... he's the man that never ret-urned.
hanbot: <mircea_popescu> in other lulz, http://dpaste.com/0YXY6DY << what's a cock & ball torture worksheet anyway?
shinohai: i didn't catch that, nice one hanbot
mircea_popescu: hanbot you know, looking through it... one thing that struck me about the abundance of patently insane esl folk is, this strange, rare (from a clinical pov) tendency to minutiously document their whatevers.
mircea_popescu: turns out, this, like most everything else in mental pathology, is actually the result of attempted curative practices
mircea_popescu: ie, that cbt shit. supposedly if you write down everything in detail instead of doing it, you'll be better.
mircea_popescu: to anyone qualified in the field it's obvious that this approach helps psychosis and hurts neurosis ; and that it's about 1000 times more likely to be picked up by the neurotic than by the psychotic. for the very fucking obvious reason that cures predicated on health are no fucking cures whatsoever omfg what school did these nitwits go to anyway!
mircea_popescu: but whatever, as long as conde nast's happy that reddit gets "user generated content" all's well.
hanbot: everyone knows you have to prepare for sucksess, what's this "doing" you speak of! it costs too much, it's better to wait, they'll do it once their real lives begin.
mircea_popescu: i don't think one third of present "first world" folk would pass a rigorous sanity check as executed by 1916 mental health practitioners.
mircea_popescu: leaving aside how they wouldn't pass the ridicule of the flauberts of that world.
hanbot: well i imagine most women would get the "hysterical" stamp anyway.
mircea_popescu: genetics have not changed in a century ; or in ten millenia for that matter.
ben_vulpes: no shit, hanbot
mircea_popescu: education however - has. reformed out the wazoo by all sorts of ustardian/evanghelical/whatever derps.
mircea_popescu: hanbot for all the derpage about "liberation" etc - most women don't actually behave like they're old enough to be house servants.
mircea_popescu: (which was, at the time, the fate of the highly functional retards. women above 90iq actually married.)
mircea_popescu: i have no fucking idea how progress, improvement and liberation resulted in a palpable drop of 25-30 iq points across the entire population, but there it is.
hanbot: well inasmuch as liberation is a removal of filters...
mircea_popescu: it's economically masked by the fact that power leverage increased with technology, exponentially - so to run a 10`000 group then you needed 1k > 100 and 100 > 110 and at least a dozen > 120, but now 3 people over 115 suffice.
mircea_popescu: but that aside ... and incidentally THIS is why "apocalyptic" scenarios are so fucking dangerous. god only help you if you're trying to live "in the civilised world" and ANYTHING happens to keep any one of those three from his toys.
mircea_popescu: famine suddenly looks like deliverance.
diana_coman: <mircea_popescu> i have no fucking idea how progress, improvement and liberation resulted in a palpable drop of 25-30 iq points across the entire population, but there it is. <- uhm, correlation ate causation much?
mircea_popescu: and that something... doesn't have to be a meteor strike. suppose one of the three changes sides and goes full republic. what then.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman but there's not that many alternative causations. it could either be genetic or environmental.
mircea_popescu: and since "progress" spans ALL the environment, the assessment's fair.
mircea_popescu: i do not care to distinguish which specific facet of progress did more, or most, or anything.
diana_coman: don't really know enough to say whether genetic really is simply the same for one thing
mircea_popescu: it can't change in this short a timespan.
mircea_popescu: a few generations ? that's too fast for most bacteria.
diana_coman: for the other if it is for a simple explanation, I'd go for the fact that many more used to die before they even reached 15 or whatever
diana_coman: so way more selection
mircea_popescu: that's progress, neh ?
mircea_popescu: but if you ask the economiasts of the statu quo, they would say yes, this is progress - fewer idiots die now than then.
mircea_popescu: modern democracy and human rights etc. progress.
hanbot: mircea_popescu i think that's supposed to go "fewer great people die from preventable causes than then"
hanbot: not that i think the victim shouldn't be blamed in such cases. an exemption for eg francis bacon would've been nice tho.
mircea_popescu: it's great for his fucking health that if he starts running around the field packing chicken with snow he catches a cold and dies.
mircea_popescu: mental health, i mean. the problem of "coffin liners" that asciilifeform discussed in the log is the direct counter to this. if they don't catch their death of cold, they lose track of themselves. this is not good.
hanbot: i suspect nature is stocked with enough barbs to allow for the occasional narrow escape without sacrificing doom&consequence.
hanbot: but i'm in a good mood.
mircea_popescu: and people suspected the river is stocked with enough garbagemen to allow for the occasional dumping of garbage.
mircea_popescu: then it turned out it wasn't.
mircea_popescu: educating children by the sight of the whip only works in children that have lived experience with the cut of the whip. otherwise, it's just some weird churchly ritual of no meaning, power or importance.
hanbot: can't learn once they're dead, neh?
mircea_popescu: he's not alone.
hanbot: school of hardest knocks, i guess.
mircea_popescu: improving on nature is how fish tanks start with fish and end up with algae.
shinohai: https://ma.ttias.be/day-google-chrome-disabled-http2-nearly-everyone-may-15th-2016/ <<< HTTPS/2.0 apparently becomes dead for Chrome if the server's OpenSSL is lower than 1.0.2
mircea_popescu: phf interesting defect in log, see line above
mircea_popescu: shinohai https, nobody cares.
shinohai: just lulzy
shinohai: Saturday evening facesitting: http://i.4cdn.org/b/1463260904535.jpg
phf: mircea_popescu: word
phf: it actually comes up a lot, like standalone "http"'s get highlighted as links
shinohai: I couldn't find what the outcome of their "legal options" were tho
mircea_popescu: roflmao.
hanbot: researchers now, is it.
mircea_popescu: "researchers at aarhaus university in denmark" ?
mircea_popescu: so by 2020 "university research" will consist of reading logs and naught else. win.
mircea_popescu: in yet another example of "security industry" being a bunch of useless scammers, "<Wise> Why is my fsecure antivirus stopping the http://logs.minigame.bz webpage in my browser claiming it´s suspect?"
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, the page includes NO javascript even.
mircea_popescu: the idiots are prolly regexp matching ".py" in the generated-by meta tag or somesuch idiocy.
phf: "( ) Safe. ( ) Suspicious. ( ) Harmful. (*) Seditious."
mircea_popescu: meanwhuile dumbass f-secure site pops all the bullshit surveys and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: the gall of these idiots.
BingoBoingo: $up Framedragger
deedbot: Framedragger voiced for 30 minutes.
Framedragger: thanks BingoBoingo
deedbot: [Qntra] Bitcoin Fork "Core" Plans To "Open Up" Contribution Process - http://qntra.net/2016/05/bitcoin-fork-core-plans-to-open-up-contribution-process/
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: are you still interested in having someone deliver http://trilema.com/2015/a-proper-social-site-for-the-bdsm-community/ ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-14#1466510 << there is a house, in a washington suburb, next to a certain restaurant that i sometimes take pet to, it has iron door and 'high voltage sign', and claims to be an electric co substation, but has normal utility wire going to it, and sometimes lights (and curtains) in the windows. i always say, 'this is cia safehouse, perhaps i can apply to be dismembered here'
a111: Logged on 2016-05-14 18:40 BingoBoingo waits for the eventually day when alf wanders into an embassy and the embassy doesn't let him leave.
BingoBoingo: lol, there are some of those scattered around this region too
BingoBoingo: none particularly close to where I frequent
asciilifeform: most of'em ~are~ substations
asciilifeform: esp. popular in cities
asciilifeform: i dun have a thermovisor atm so can't tell for 100%.
asciilifeform: but it would do the trick.
asciilifeform: (incidentally why should usg be doing ~all~ of the thermo-journalism!? time for free men to do their share..?)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-14#1466517 << prisoners, when they can get hold of a pen, also do it
a111: Logged on 2016-05-14 19:20 mircea_popescu: hanbot you know, looking through it... one thing that struck me about the abundance of patently insane esl folk is, this strange, rare (from a clinical pov) tendency to minutiously document their whatevers.
asciilifeform: it is a frequent pasttime of the dying, the quasi-dead, and the living dead, at least those among them who are even semi-literate
asciilifeform: there is this notion that writing can turn meaningless waste of life into some sort of condensed meaning
asciilifeform: and yes, it is the harness which reddit et al are powered by, just like horse harness works because the animal likes going forward
a111: Logged on 2016-05-14 19:26 mircea_popescu: i don't think one third of present "first world" folk would pass a rigorous sanity check as executed by 1916 mental health practitioners.
shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/Evs
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-14#1466537 << for some peculiar reason, 'atlas' never seems to 'shrugged' in real life.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-14 19:32 mircea_popescu: and that something... doesn't have to be a meteor strike. suppose one of the three changes sides and goes full republic. what then.
BingoBoingo: No, the problem is the fucking scabs who keep on
deedbot: [Qntra] Altcoin Exchange Hacked, Claims $2 Million United States dollars Lost - http://qntra.net/2016/05/altcoin-exchange-hacked-claims-2-million-united-states-dollars-lost/
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: well no shit. also helps that in real life there is not a 'gulch' for them to escape to.
BingoBoingo: They could at least drop out and play Xbawkz all day
asciilifeform: on what coin
asciilifeform can't wait for mircea_popescu to wake up and comment 'you are imbecile, and reason like a slave!1111 REAL MEN can, MUST subsist on the bone marrow of their enemies! what filthy coin'
mircea_popescu: wait, what
asciilifeform: seel0gz
mircea_popescu: <Framedragger> mircea_popescu: are you still interested << well... not someone whose attention span is five minutes ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: On Bahamascare and Phood stampz coin?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you too see l0gz
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: a cultured man will eat pistol before living in porchmonkeyland
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> (incidentally why should usg be doing ~all~ of the thermo-journalism!? time for free men to do their share..?) << this is quite so.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lulzily, somehow usg has not caught up with the profusion of cheap thermovisors that it itself (via massive subsidies) caused, and they've no meaningful shielding
asciilifeform: (not that such shielding is esp. feasible in the general case)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-14#1466537 << for some peculiar reason, 'atlas' never seems to 'shrugged' in real life. << keyword being "seems".
a111: Logged on 2016-05-14 19:32 mircea_popescu: and that something... doesn't have to be a meteor strike. suppose one of the three changes sides and goes full republic. what then.
asciilifeform: i can think of 1,001 illicit uses
mircea_popescu: throughout the 70s women never "seemed" to suck the cock in real life either.
asciilifeform: e.g., determine ACTUAL % of derelict houses
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You are the one who suggested Atlas "shrug". Shrug is different from Atlas takes the ball off his shoulder, dribbles it down the court, and makes a three point shot.
asciilifeform: i love it when mircea_popescu takes 'my' traditional side in argument - e.g., as seen here, argument ad metacocksucknsa
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: plox wake me up when this
BingoBoingo: Seriously shrugging is a passive thing. Bouncing the world and the enemies attached to it across the hardwood would be noticed. Who the fuck notices someone else shrugging. Shrug is uninteresting.
mircea_popescu: notably, the us exists today because some people shrugged at some point in the 18th century.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: well the thread was about hypothetical 'three good men' who keep the lights on
asciilifeform: presumably you and i would notice if they decided to vodka instead of work one day
mircea_popescu: happens all the time ; but in order to live in a certain shared psychosis, the key is to "not notice".
mircea_popescu: happened sometime in the 90s, also. after a brief euphoria post the berlin wall moment, people went "well what now ?". just like in that joke with the gypsy woman, "do we wash it or do we make another ?"
mircea_popescu: the decision came out "make another", which is === shrug.
mircea_popescu: for which reason there can not exist "america" of the previous millennium. not no more. nor "western europe" nor any of the rest of the stuff.
mircea_popescu: stuff like http://trilema.com/2015/other-peoples-money/ is actually documenting the tail end of that shrug.
asciilifeform: well the way i read the thread, it was about hypothetical 'if these 3 folks stay home, the trains stop' vs classic sov 'i'ma be a furnace stoker instead of engineer because fuckyou'
mircea_popescu: no particular construction was built on top of it. could be this, could be that.
asciilifeform: the latter proposition - documentedly happened
asciilifeform: the former, afaik - not
mircea_popescu: fact is that where you needed 10% of the population before you need 0.1% now. and, economy being what it is and human nature being what it is, this "saving" did not get passed on. it just went into lazy, inefficient and wasteful.
mircea_popescu: so today things are just a lot more fragile and that's all.
asciilifeform: now this - surely.
mircea_popescu: overall, the tribe of monkeys still makes ~ what it always made
mircea_popescu: which is to say not much of anything at all.
asciilifeform: yeah, factory, office, etc. still 'employs' the 10
asciilifeform: with .1 doing anything describable even charitably as work
asciilifeform: the rest - warming chair
asciilifeform: and arsebooking
asciilifeform: and, of course,
asciilifeform: 'managing' the .1.
mircea_popescu: now, WHY the three people that actually matter may no longer do their magic... whatever. maybe their toy breaks. maybe evil alien xenomorph mp comes and breaks their moore law and they're up shit creek without it. maybe they just start hating the morlochs.
mircea_popescu: whatever it may be... fragility's fragility.
asciilifeform: i'm not certain that a setup built by folks who 'hate the morlocks' would be readily distinguishable from the existing one.
mircea_popescu: goes deeper :
mircea_popescu: there's no way to even show that the possibility of such meaning exists.
mircea_popescu: (there isn't a general rule that all edges of the implication ball are part of this world. much like there's no guarantee that all the numbers coming out of a defined arithmetic operation are in the set of numbers you can display)
asciilifeform: eh sure
asciilifeform: nonphysical solution to quadratic,etc
mircea_popescu: so whether they are or are not distinct, there's no requirement the distinction can be stated.
BingoBoingo: In other lights off trends https://archive.is/LFJf2
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lel! 'let's rebrand artificial ponds'
BingoBoingo: More too the point can't swim in the real ponds because couldn't avoid ruining them. Can't smart enough for civilized chemical fest pool. Y Not fake pond?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-14#1466554 << arguably, ~old men~ in whatever form, tend to wreak havoc on whatever it was that they meaningfully contributed to as young men - think of millikan, say. the 'eminent scientist emeritus' is, typically, a revolting specimen
a111: Logged on 2016-05-14 19:41 mircea_popescu: mental health, i mean. the problem of "coffin liners" that asciilifeform discussed in the log is the direct counter to this. if they don't catch their death of cold, they lose track of themselves. this is not good.
asciilifeform: a kind of 'dog in the manger' in just about every case i've personally dealt with
asciilifeform: the obscure crackpots writing into a drawer - are generally harmless.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform depends. i am not convinced by this theory because i've seen the % vary very wildly across culutres.
mircea_popescu: so currently i'm suspecting it's more of an environment issue than an old man issue
asciilifeform: might be specifically true in dying cultures
asciilifeform: where there is not so much resource to go around
asciilifeform: and no 'frontier'
mircea_popescu: ("citokines are really bad mkay" sorta argument)
asciilifeform: where the young are advantaged
mircea_popescu: you think the young are at an advantage on oregon trail vs say boston ?!
asciilifeform: well in the sense of 'must have this much strength to play' strictly
asciilifeform: and oregon is piss poor example. better - klondike.
asciilifeform: no 'fambleees'
mircea_popescu: no man has a famblee unless a) he's an idiot or b) the woman's +ev.
asciilifeform: from the lulzmachine,
asciilifeform: 177.190.190.107 - - [15/May/2016:00:25:12 +0000] "GET / HTTP/1.0" 200 1101 "-" "curl/7.17.1 (mips-unknown-linux-gnu) libcurl/7.17.1 OpenSSL/0.9.8i zlib/1.2.3" "177.190.190.107"
asciilifeform: ^ who are you? pwned router?!
mircea_popescu: brazil. much like korea, windowsland.
asciilifeform: ain't no winblowz on mips. not since nt 4 anyway
mircea_popescu: the agent string is arbitrary.
asciilifeform: but interesting pick.
asciilifeform: though, funnily, i know of at least one winblowz trojan that bundled a mips ~emulator~ internally
BingoBoingo still rolfing at pool that gets ruined if it is pissed in one too many times
asciilifeform: and had bins built ~for it~
mircea_popescu: $google (mips-unknown-linux-gnu) libcurl/7.17.1 OpenSSL/0.9.8i zlib/1.2.3
asciilifeform: as obfuscatron.
deedbot: No results.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-14#1466576 << this flavour of claptrap is becoming a sop pattern innit.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-14 22:45 mircea_popescu: "researchers at aarhaus university in denmark" ?
asciilifeform: sorta like ye olde 'по просьбе трудящихся...' !
asciilifeform: ( mircea_popescu ! how do we say that iconic utterance in ro!? )
asciilifeform: and can jurov tell us what it is in cz ?
asciilifeform: somebody... (vaclav havel ?) had a spiffy essay, long ago, re how inca empires invariably fall into having a set of officiose idiocies, enumerated expressions like this.
asciilifeform: where on both sides of the table there is a nod and wink, because 'everybody knows'
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: $key wise
mircea_popescu: $rate wise 1 Euloran
mircea_popescu: $v A574295F5F7E38C19A515336EF66E2AEA509070C8C7E5F55CD0080E250F6EE44
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated wise 1 << Euloran
mircea_popescu: "conform vointei clasei muncitoare" or somesuch.
mircea_popescu: of course as far as the crap on tv went, "la cererea publicului [tele]spectator"
asciilifeform: lulzily, ro embassy had a ludicrous display titled something like '100 years of usa-romania fellat^H^H^H^H^Hriendship'
asciilifeform: bot dead?!
gribble: What do you think I am, a shell?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in other news, ro politruk class snubbed the us inauguration of some radars or w/e on romanian soil, part of rocket shield lulzfest.
mircea_popescu: THIS IS IMPORTANT!!111
asciilifeform: guess they didn't want to become a ru bombardment-prior-to-launch zone
asciilifeform: or sumthing.
asciilifeform: l0gz, incidentally, dead.
asciilifeform: well, stuck at ~1h ago.
asciilifeform: ... and who even gives half a shit re land-based rockets any moar.
mircea_popescu: or, as the case is here, land based locators. really, you're gonna use something on land ?
mircea_popescu: because why the everloving fuck.
asciilifeform: because it is 1958
asciilifeform: or sumthing.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi who designed an anti-nuke system that depends on parking lots ffs. or, for that matter, who the fuck believes this/
asciilifeform: the vendor, obviously.
asciilifeform: who rakes in the dough.
asciilifeform: optimized, quite clearly to the naked eye, for max rake
asciilifeform: vs anything at all else.
asciilifeform: ever handle a piece of american mil tech designed post-reagan ?
asciilifeform: it practically screams at you
asciilifeform: in precisely the way ru tech screams 'angry and cheap and fuckyou',
asciilifeform: it screams 'i pay for some derp to go to yaleprinceward and for two shriveled hags' alimony'
asciilifeform: x 10,000 chair warmers.
asciilifeform: recent specimens of wunderwaffen are liable to, i shit thee not, have '3d printed' plastic parts.
asciilifeform: i watched this, alive.
mod6: good evening
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