deedbot: [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] How boys become men, or don’t: then and now. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/04/25/how-boys-become-men-or-dont-then-and-now/
mircea_popescu: and in other puns, http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/born-sissy-maid.jpg
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
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mircea_popescu: trilema pstree shows httpd -- 136 * [httpd] + 17 * [httpd -- php]. gotta love modern technologee.
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-26#1457700 <<< thx I thought it was keybase.io faggotry or something.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-26 02:37 asciilifeform: shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-25#1457681 << it's got a uniturd in it.
mircea_popescu: fucking idiot.
mircea_popescu: and in other fucking crazy,
mircea_popescu: ;;google nscd
gribble: NSCD: <http://nscd.org/>; Volunteer - NSCD: <http://nscd.org/volunteer/>; About NSCD - National Sports Center for the Disabled: <http://nscd.org/about-nscd-adaptive-sports/>
mircea_popescu: who the fuck would EVER want a cache for passwd calls omfg.
shinohai: Morning, Sr. Popescu
mircea_popescu: oh right, and in this morning's "allow me to bother you" news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/5944aba2ae71db259875d9be326d6505/tumblr_nqnb041YLK1uv50iuo1_1280.jpg
shinohai: I see vexual has been indulging in the Foster's again.
jurov: $up airgapped
deedbot: jurov may not $up airgapped
mircea_popescu: $up eh
deedbot: eh voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: lol mkay
mircea_popescu: $gettrust airgapped
deedbot: L1: 1, L2: 1 by 1 connections.
mike_c: uh, yeah.
mike_c: not even an error email.
mircea_popescu: seemed kinda nonstandard.
mike_c: oh, the whole thing is down
mircea_popescu: in entirely unrelated news from 2012 : "By measuring the statistics of more than 1.5 billion ad impressions per day, it was possible to understand deeply how different websites perform. Some of the high level results: 38% of the ads are never in view to a user 50% of the ads are in view for less than 0.5 seconds 56% of the ads are in view for less than 5 seconds"
mircea_popescu: notably enough, this does not mean the converse (ie, that 44% are seen for over 5 seconds). it just means that we know for a fact 56% of online advertising budgets are wasted ; the remainder are also wasted but that fact not so easily known.
mike_c: I don't have my keys on me.. so btcalpha will be dead for the next 10 hours. There goes my uptime stats.
mircea_popescu: did the sql thing ever get off teh ground ?
mike_c: yeah. it's in progress. I started doing it but had to deal with a couple other things. I de-crufted btcalpha and killed half the site (bitbet gone, etc). now i'm halfway through a web framework upgrade which is going to make adding the new wot browser easier.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, do we want to make a standard web framework ? so people can put up sites a la boost except not retarded ?
mircea_popescu: something like phuctor runs might be packageable for instance.
mike_c: I don't think so. our time would be better spent on gpg than yet another web framework
mircea_popescu: there is that.
mircea_popescu: course, at some point if 12 people bring up and then maintain sites,
mircea_popescu: it may be cheaper to have a coupla make a package and that's that.
mike_c: yeah, but, this upgrade I'm doing is bumping it up 3 major versions because I haven't touched it in years
mircea_popescu: so far it's you, phf , ben_vulpes , mod6 , asciilifeform running sites not to mention teh bloggers.
mike_c: doing it would have value, but, priority wise..
mircea_popescu: well the other thing is that a guy who can do a spiffy web framework couldn't necessarily do gpg arcana or c++ nonsense in bitcoind.
mircea_popescu: if i make alf spend an hour fucking around with python, that's an hour.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it runs on an ancient python lib called 'flask'
asciilifeform: this was ~meant~ to be temporary...
mike_c: flask isn't ancient? it's still maintained and updated afaik
mircea_popescu: no but by now this jus' keeps growing, and the solutions are exactly that. trilema runs on an ancient thing called "wordpress". etc.
asciilifeform: mike_c: i have not kept up. i picked up whatever it was i had on my disk in '13
mircea_popescu: mike_c he prolly got a version off 3.5 inch diskettes.
phf: flask is definitely live, is considered "alternative to bloated blahs like django"
asciilifeform: it's deadly simple, analogous to, say, cl-who in commonlisp
mircea_popescu: anyway. tis true the web is not terribruy high priority. it's also true we use it lots.
mircea_popescu: actually, it's not even trivial to do a count - i left out trinque and jurov for instance. that makes it 7. it's prolly more like 80% than any specific number.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-25 21:18 mircea_popescu: recall that the strength of the wot comes specifically from there not being a standard of behaviour.
mircea_popescu: different topics here tho. standard of behaviour is one thing ; standard of tools is another. a good set of standard tools is what allows variance of behaviour.
mircea_popescu: poorly designed, impredictable random tools actually induces similarity of behavior. it is technically speaking a free fuzzer for teh enemy.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the other point being that there's no requirement for any actual heavy lifting work be done - take flask, read through it once, snip idiocies, put it in v and voila, official tmsr boost.
phf: i'm just being a silly, i don't have a strong opinion until i see further direction taken
mircea_popescu: yeah me either. jus' a stray thought, fully argued i'd say.
phf: flask is not standalone though, it's a wsgi service, which in turn is a python standard for doing "web application". there are competing servers for wsgi, uwsgi being most popular. i actually had to patch it for my work production, and it's not a fits in head by any means
mircea_popescu: come to think of it, trilema prolly takes the cake for longevity - it's running "You are using WordPress 2.7. Please Update." bolted shut back in 2008. notwithstanding ~numerous~ attempts, never been owned, either.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: l0l! i have same vintage wp
mircea_popescu: possibly last it was any use or somesuch.
mircea_popescu: anyway, this anecdote certainly gives a good trashing to the whole "gotta upgrade" blabla. why, for "security" ? glhf, the log's chock full of lolz @wp blogs. for what, "looks" ? yarly, i've yet to see that many better looking blogs.
mircea_popescu: 2008 to 2016 is 8 years, ie, more than the "cumulative experience" of pretty much every "online team"
phf: in other news of interest probably only to ben_vulpes, homebrew is now reporting any command you run or package you install to google analytics unless you opt-out by setting HOMEBREW_NO_ANALYTICS. this useful feature was brought to you by this fuck https://github.com/mikemcquaid, Mike McQuaid, who looks exactly like you'd imagine this kind of fuck to look.
mircea_popescu: ahahahaah what
phf: don't worry, it's "anonymous" https://github.com/Homebrew/brew/blob/master/share/doc/homebrew/Analytics.md
mircea_popescu: as if redditard's notion of anonymous and google's notion of fully known are incompatible or someshit.
mircea_popescu: (they're in total lulzy overdrive, by the way. system with nothing but a certain webhost cookie got shown adds for THAT webhost 975 times / 1000 and 25 times to other webhosts ; then with consumer interest single cookie (waldorf astoria) got shown 1000/1000 waldorf astoria ads.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would an advertiser pay for this i have no idea, but teh google is mining it to the hilt. and i suspect they're either going to get usg payola or start reporting ever-worsening quarters because they moneyz just isn't there anymore.)
phf: i thought for a while, that google makes most of its income (including things like tax breaks and protectorate) through bulk data sale and access, and ads is just a quaint misdirection. anecdotally from people in the affiliate marketing and such circles, the margins on google ads and the profits are so low and have been for about two years now to suspect whole thing of a lie
mircea_popescu: it's one thing to have low margins, where you can barely justify the equipment and workforce. it's another to have no market.
mircea_popescu: back in 2005 everyone i knew bought google, and getting banned was like suicide. then in 2010 the lazier / older bought and the younger wolves were moving on. last year [when i was doing eulora marketing] i couldn't find anyone i knew who bought google ads.
mircea_popescu: i was like "hey, show me some stats" "uh... i think i have some from like 2013..." "wtf"
mircea_popescu: part of it, of course, being that they're caught in the trap "online media" sites were caught a decade prior. back in 2005 google ads were sought out because the yahoo wannabe yahoos had ridoinculous shit like "80 bux cpm" in their "sheets", while ctrs were dropping through the 1% floor.
mircea_popescu: by now google is pushing for 10-25 cent clicks as a minimum, but not only are clickthroughs way down there under 0.1%, cpa/ctr relation is entirely broken. get ten million clicks and sell two garden gnomes.
mircea_popescu: unthinkable back in the enchanted 2000, when ~any paysite had 10k pageviews and 10k revenue or 100k pageviews and 100k revenue, scaling 1:1 like glued together.
mircea_popescu: and to top the irony cake - exploit traffic beats the socks off anything anyone can buy. take the very openly public literotica thing as an example, it got clicked in the 1.5% range! like it's 1996 all over again! and people comment and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: try to match the results with ~any sort of online advertising approach and then we can compare what writing ten lines of bash costs vs whatever "online campaign management" set you back. lel.
asciilifeform: google is and - afaik - has been since almost beginning - usgtronic 'tbtf'
phf: what you're saying correlates to what i heard, i don't have an opinion because it always seemed like dark magic to me. i've never clicked on ads, and have hard time groking a person who would. but there's also a disconnect of sorts. i understand literotica hack, it is in some ways similar to okcupid hack, it's a cold call, where you have some idea who's the person on the other side, and you just do it in bulk. online ads seem more like fishing, ex
phf: cept there's no concrete knowledge of fish, or behaviors, it's all reading tea leaves
mircea_popescu: ha! it should be exact equivalent : you know what the site sells (or it should).
asciilifeform: i'm still not convinced that anyone clicks on ads, other than by accident
asciilifeform: whole thing is ~= spam.
asciilifeform: raw cargo cult.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i know for a fact people do. and yes it is exactly spam, and people clikc that, too.
phf: "we put an ad up, got much money. year later we put an ad up got low money. he's a graph. much money here, low money here. tribe move, many starve"
mircea_popescu: i dunno if anymore, but you should have seen spammer inbox a decade ago.
mircea_popescu: people chatting them up like nobody's business.
asciilifeform: and not '419-baiters' ?
mircea_popescu: indeed not.
asciilifeform: actual chumpers?
mircea_popescu: actual chumpers.
phf: i emailed spammers in the 90s :D
mircea_popescu: phf word.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, people also talk to the police!
mircea_popescu: and sign "plea bargains"
mircea_popescu: "what's the bargain, i lube up and you fuck me raw ?" "ayup" "where's my pen!"
mircea_popescu: heck, people enter into 30 year mortgage agreements with 5 year fixed interest rate!
asciilifeform: 'can haz moar rusty nailz plox!?'
mircea_popescu: nobody ever went broke overestimating the idiocy of the consumer. kinda why the whole charaqde has to end, idle, disinterested, ignorant stupidity on such scale can scarcely be maintained.
mircea_popescu: it's a wonder it lasted this long.
asciilifeform: 'cow is so stupid, must go extinct before long'
asciilifeform: but not!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform consider, again, very openly public item : http://trilema.com/2014/the-sex-lives-of-other-people/#comment-117126
mircea_popescu: and prev.
mircea_popescu: people click.
asciilifeform: this was re 'has to end'
asciilifeform: it is not clear to me what will end it.
mircea_popescu: famine. as per phf quote.
mircea_popescu: eventually "no one could have predicted" that "you have to" http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-26#1457777 because "everyone is doing it".
a111: Logged on 2016-04-26 13:34 mircea_popescu: oh right, and in this morning's "allow me to bother you" news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/5944aba2ae71db259875d9be326d6505/tumblr_nqnb041YLK1uv50iuo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: i pity the buttholes of the coming babes.
mircea_popescu: but ask 30yo ukr chix what was life like in khrakov's campus/red quarter cca 1990s.
mircea_popescu: or , for that matter, these days i guess huh.
asciilifeform admittedly very, very far from wwwtronics space
asciilifeform: long ago, '11-ish, i bought google ads even
asciilifeform: it's a hundy i'll never see again...
asciilifeform: utter rubbish.
asciilifeform: then again i was pushing a proggy for which total theoretical maximum install base could have been 500 people.
asciilifeform: (robot controller)
mircea_popescu: supposedly google ads perfect for this purpose. in theory, of course. practice....
asciilifeform: oh would you believe,
mircea_popescu: by now facebook is running the same scam for a new generation of idiots, with ~ the same results.
asciilifeform: and i dun think i mentioned this before,
asciilifeform: they CENSORED the word 'tecan'
asciilifeform: from the ad
asciilifeform: because trademark.
asciilifeform: as if the ads were not worthless enough
mircea_popescu: i dunno if you recall that facebook gimmick where some derp supposedly trolled his roommate by controlling his ad flux ?
asciilifeform: they had to also set fire to'em and piss
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha
mircea_popescu: there i sat and wondered, much like you do above, who's in the target for this.
mircea_popescu: well... redditards, who.
asciilifeform: there was an 'inexplicable' scarcity of redditards with 300k robot
asciilifeform: so nobody snapped it up.
asciilifeform: the robot thing was quite educational for asciilifeform .
asciilifeform: it was my final vaccine against 1,001 idiocies, e.g., vc
mircea_popescu: i dun think i ever clicked an ad either. nowadays we have the terminology to properly formalize this : people who are so low on the wot scale of things they're used to being forever alone can not by that very fact possibly have the sort of social clout that'd allow them to control enough resources that'd make anything we care about relevant to them.
phf: there was a period when facebook ads were fantastic for event promotion in the same literotica/okcupid way, but without hacking
mircea_popescu: social classes, on the web.
asciilifeform: how are they alone ?
asciilifeform: isn't there whole anthill of'em?
asciilifeform: or is it in the 'alienation' of marx sense
phf: could go "girls, sorority, 17-22, dc area, blah blah" and literally send them bulk message there and then
mircea_popescu: phf hey, there was a one quarter back years ago when this one guy made an absolute killing from some sort of "new up and coming" thing that did a social media skin over blind clicking.
mircea_popescu: wtf was it called, back in the day reddit was ~child porn and digg ruled the same space.
mircea_popescu: ;;ud stumbleon
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=stumble | To walk in a drunken fashion, or to use the toolbar found at stumbleupon.com .. and the word found in definition #1 should read 'waste'. Hobo Bob was bored, ...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform alone in the sense of fitting, how shall we put this... my shoes are made for my foot. their shoes are copied from my shoe.
phf: i actually briefly worked for a guy who bought a bugati from facebook ads, and while i was there, was doing primarily "skin your facebook" internet explorer plugin, that would replace all ads with own versions. if be$$al$$ the goal...
mircea_popescu: (literally, this, by the way - many years ago back in cluj the local suit factory ACTUALLY made their suits after me.)
mircea_popescu: so you know, guy who no-one knows, who'd damned better fit in, because nothing's ever fitting TO them. which is why all this spamolade in various flavours is so appealing to them.
mircea_popescu: fills an ontological void.
mircea_popescu: i guess this reduces to a version of the marx sense, except exactly the one he didn't like.
asciilifeform: re suits, lulzy, i'm about to have the metal anvil in my 'model f' chromed, now i anticipate q 'where in motorcycle does this weird thing with holes go'
mircea_popescu: phf if this is hacking btw... the girl i fucked this morning is a space shuttle.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform say "it's not for bike, it's for hitachi wand".
asciilifeform: just sayin', you dun have to be rich to have 'things fit for you'
asciilifeform: just gotta give a shit
mircea_popescu: and you're the first one to say "rich".
mircea_popescu: rich dun enter into it ; and by and of itself it reduces to lottery winner / inheritor / etc.
mircea_popescu: the point is control.
asciilifeform: well mircea_popescu did say 'nothing's ever fitting TO them'
mircea_popescu: so i did.
mircea_popescu: and notice the trend, with stuff like obamacare, also :D
mircea_popescu: or for that matter, police work etc.
asciilifeform: which trend
mircea_popescu: towards "one size'd better fit all of you scum"
asciilifeform: the police don't yet bother respectable folk where i live
asciilifeform: but i can see what mircea_popescu is thinking of.
mircea_popescu: well, good for you then, careful not to live where ian murdock used to ?
asciilifeform: well, more gotta be careful not to breathe the lsd he was sprayed with
mircea_popescu: ftr, we know of the rabbit's misbehaviour from the fox's pretense. not even bothered to go on the record, that fox.
mircea_popescu: for all you know all he did that day was park.
asciilifeform: entirely conceivable.
asciilifeform: and michael hastings didn't even park.
asciilifeform: i still wonder why murdock had to be removed
asciilifeform: afaik he was one of those disgustingly compliant folk already
mircea_popescu: there's no "had to". when i accidentally ran my lawn mower over one of my thyme bushes, it wasn't that I HAD TO cut the thyme with large rapidly rotating blades.
mircea_popescu: it's just that i was mowing.
asciilifeform: i moved over one of those solar lantern things
mircea_popescu: ;;google "for me it was tuesday"
gribble: But for Me, It Was Tuesday - TV Tropes: <http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ButForMeItWasTuesday>; Bison remembers Tuesday - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlhOUyy4wbs>; It was Tuesday - Street Fighter 1994 - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVzAMmpMra8>
asciilifeform: didn't even realize until i saw the battery, the only thing the blade could not powder easily, lying about
asciilifeform: it was surreal
asciilifeform: 'where did this battery come from'
mircea_popescu: "maybe the bird dropped its battery"
mircea_popescu: in my case, there was a sudden scent of nice pot roast, and then ohshit.jpg
asciilifeform: but yes, fact, when police are called in usaschwitz they come with the violent monkeyman handling equipment and procedure
asciilifeform: and it dun matter if yer some white professorial type
asciilifeform: gonna get monkey-handled.
mircea_popescu: hence trend.
mircea_popescu: also, hence "white professorial" type entirely spurious pretense on part of obvious monkeyman.
asciilifeform: i've met 'civilized' folk who, for one reason or another, got 'policed' and were surprised
mircea_popescu: as in what, used airplanes ?
mircea_popescu: one reason or another = tried to fly ?
asciilifeform: nah, more of a 'didn't show both hands in traffic stop' sort of thing
asciilifeform: also why spurious pretense ? it isn't as if they actually ~need~ 50 cut-throats with machine guns and grappling hooks, grenades, to corral a murdock
asciilifeform: a generation ago it would've been a polite 'come to the station with us plox'
mircea_popescu: spurious pretense on the part of the monkeyman
mircea_popescu: pretending like he is "a professorial type" when no such thing exists.
mircea_popescu: much like the argentine pretending to be whatever the fuck they pretend to be, real estate agents
asciilifeform: well whatever type that dun need a battalion to arrest
mircea_popescu: while their tummy hasn't seen two simultanerous empanadas to rub together since 1992
asciilifeform: a real salesman and a charlatan are both same for the purpose of 'dun need 50 policemen with grenades', no ?
mircea_popescu: from the purpose of "50 policement with grenades show up", there DOES NOT EXIST such a thing as "salesman" or "charlatan".
mircea_popescu: period and full fucking stop, theorethicology proposes but ontology disposes.
asciilifeform: consider that in su no such thing showed up.
asciilifeform: for anybody.
mircea_popescu: precisely and exactly like "whatcha waitin' for ho, this cock to suck itself ?" "hey, i'm the Queen of De Nile!" "Mno, you're just some ho in the ho-bar. Get busy."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so what if it didn't ?
asciilifeform: usians are often quite surprised when i tell them that it didn't. and disbelieve.
asciilifeform: 'bbbbut t0t4l1t4r14n!1111'
mircea_popescu: and in entirely unrelated news, some jokers registered a http://brokercheck.finra.org/Firm/Summary/173059 "triloma" thing last year
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, but soviets were also retarded. at some point half of leningrad got the order to kill the other half - and they did!
asciilifeform: betcha half of washington would merrily strangle the other half
asciilifeform: just gotta know who to ask.
mircea_popescu: maybe googlebook can help.
asciilifeform: the hutus had to coordinate strikes on tutsis via radio, but modern amerikka can do better!1111
mats: 'the above dictionary literal code takes at least 12 hours to compile. The compilation time grows roughly exponentially with each employee that is added.'
asciilifeform: 'Type inference is known to be a bit slow when inferring nested data structures. I think they’re hoping to speed it up before the release of Swift 3, but for now you can make the compilation faster by adding a type annotation...'
mircea_popescu: dat matt nedrich dude...
asciilifeform: 'we luvvv haskell and want to be it, so what if we have half of the min iq'
mircea_popescu: you have gotta be kidding me, what could possibly take 12 hours to "compile" in a flat list of 20 elements ?1
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what took 2 hrs in winblowz-95 installer ?
mircea_popescu: i never installed one o.O
asciilifeform: only a t3rr0r1st!11 would ask!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it had empty loop and grunted the floppy drv (yes) to create impression of activity
asciilifeform: as the cube dweller is, thus also is his software.
asciilifeform: 'sound and fury, signifying nothing' (tm) (r)
mircea_popescu: i was thinking, cumu-i turcu' si pistolu'.
mircea_popescu: (like the turk, so is his pistol)
asciilifeform: similar, i think.
phf: mircea_popescu: those were anecdotes from early facebook days along the lines of "everyone i knew was doing google in ~2005~". the feature necessary to make it useful for milking were locked down way back
mircea_popescu: either that or the cowsies no longer congregate there.
mircea_popescu: the simple fact is that the sphere has shattered into shattered shards. i go into detail somewhere, but too lazy to dig it up, so let's rehash briefly : who the fuck would need google to find his way to something of interest today, and what's it say about them if they found it by google ?
mircea_popescu: if i want to know who the president is, by that token i'm retarded. if i actually need to google "funny pics" to have a laugh, idem.
mircea_popescu: back in 2000, there was no fucking way to know shit existed. today, not knowing shit exists means you're from india or tardstalk or something.
phf: i remember that thread
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ...who the fuck would need google to find his way to something of interest today, and what's it say about them if they found it by google... << error messages.
mircea_popescu: i mean seriously, imagine it... "hurr durr i heard a new word today, bitocin. let me google b-i-t-o-c-i-n click hmmm... apparently it's Bit-Coin. o look it's a dashed histributed layer of tips! NEAT! i'ma tell all my friends, which just happen to be plushies cut like japanese girls!"
asciilifeform: and usenet.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes yes, exceptions. think of what the advertisers [are supposed to] think when they imagine this process.
asciilifeform: they think?
asciilifeform: since when does cargocult involve thought
mircea_popescu: whole echafaudage is predicated on people thinking a certain way. like so : http://trilema.com/2012/bribes-in-bitcoins/#comment-117109
mircea_popescu: "But fine, we are discussing arbitrary things so why not arbitrarily eliminate key US advantages? It goes with the theme of the conversation."
mircea_popescu: guy's intelligent but old. this means he lacks the flexibility to see past the mental construction. he's the target.
mircea_popescu: once you accept a pattern, you're good for a ride.
mircea_popescu: [which ties neatly into rng discussion yest and structured-behaviour-and-the-wot perennially]
asciilifeform: ~once you can be modelled~ yer good for a ride.
mircea_popescu: yeah. that's the whole thing with poker, the lowest level play "for fun". then the "experts" in their own narrow social circle read up on statistics once and vaguely recall the probabilities.
mircea_popescu: then the actual experts feed them patterns and reel them in - which is why expert can play for twenty hours and slowly rake a room 5% at a time.
asciilifeform: that ~exactly same thing happens in finance, is, i think, known to all at this point
mircea_popescu: the pinnacle of this being that scene immortalized by rounders, possibly the forever best scene of all poker since it's going out as someone was pointing out here recently.
asciilifeform: nothing is forever, who today plays 'pharaoh' ?
mircea_popescu: poker liked to think itself forever. ah, sweet 90s.
mircea_popescu: such a great time, clinton was president, the "indomitable" deficit reigned in, the wall down, floods of prime eeuro pussy everwhere...
mircea_popescu: it's like the 20s except the 90s.
mircea_popescu: (ref: "[Announcer] Eric Seidel cannot win this hand, and yet he doesn't know it. Chan is trying to sucker him in by taking his time. Oh, look at that look of the defending champ.")
mats: am confuse why the new $20 is so controversial
mircea_popescu: hm ?
mats: is this what white guilt looks like
mats: new $20 has tubman and jackson on it
mats: some back story, jackson was a slave owner and killed a buncha savages - tubman, was an abolitionist
mircea_popescu: ok but more's the point, how controversial is it ? i never heard about it.
phf: i think it's controversial that $100 no longer looks like this http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-R00JYEDJOe0/T_0IOf1ijyI/AAAAAAAADWE/j48TxYMCpqw/s1600/IMG_2349.JPG everything past that is just digging the grave deeper
mircea_popescu: i think it's ridiculous that there's no $1500 bill to go with the $1000 euro / $5000 ron etc.
mircea_popescu: heck, even the argentines introduced high denoms
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they existed at one time
phf: i thought they used to have it, but discontinued once bezzle started settling in
punkman: they aren't printing a lot of 500eur notes yet, I wonder if people are paying a premium to acquire them
asciilifeform: abolished, to make transport of megabux harder
mats: i dno, weirdly enough most of the noise is from my network that is like 5% white and weren't born in us
mircea_popescu: punkman i've yet to have a bank bitch when ordered to deliver
mircea_popescu: not necessarily surprising they wouldn't print a lot tho, what's most peopel to do with their salary in a single bill ?
punkman: not even a salary
asciilifeform: stuff in arse and flee from usaschwitz ?
mats: some of the whining is a rehash of 'why is jackson the oppressor even on our money' and the rest is 'why a black woman, now, and what happened to the refresh of the $10 first?'
asciilifeform: hence WHY no 1bill
punkman: gonna need change
mircea_popescu: punkman last i saw ~50% of pop made ~500 euros, but w/e, thereabouts.
mircea_popescu: mats so they wanna put random nobody on 20 dollar bill because female and black ? mkay.
asciilifeform: aaaaand because great hero of monkey riiiiights movement!1111
mircea_popescu: "hey kids - here's a take home story : for as long as you subscribe to the correct/fashionable ideology, you too can one day be 20-dollar famous, provided were born with the right gene combo."
mircea_popescu: sounds self-parodically reactionary, but what do i know.
punkman: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Harriet_Tubman&offset=&limit=100&action=history lol check out the edits by the dozen
mircea_popescu: punkman clearly, tardpedia works as intended.
mats: i dunno why americans aren't proud of beating the savages into submission and taking all their shit
mircea_popescu: which savages and what's "americans"
mats: 'american indians', los pobladores de estados unidos
asciilifeform: mats: they WERE, until su kgb did in the 1960s the equivalent of spraying mercury into aluminum airplane, and injected usa with 'cultural marxism' and xyz-studies etc.
asciilifeform: from that point on, rot.
mircea_popescu: eh injected my foot.
asciilifeform: poor foot!11
mats: topically, there are a lot more 'confucius institutes' since i last checked
mats: azn invasion
asciilifeform: mats: afaik most of these folk dun do 'studies', they do engineering etc
asciilifeform: if they are beginning to 'institute' it means the local poison has done its work on'em.
mats: my understanding is it is purely a soft power thing, teach people mandarin, expose 'em to chinese 'culture' (there is history but no culture), with the aim of developing foreign assets perhaps
asciilifeform: aside from career linguists, i know ~no one doing this.
mats: i've never been able to wrap my head around these things, looks purely -ev but what do i know about economy anyways
asciilifeform: mats: wouldya believe su published a 'sov life' magazine for america.
mircea_popescu: mats what do you mean no culture ? confucianism is very good cowsy culture, i'm surprised it didn't become more popular in the us sooner
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: incompatible with 'star topology' !!!
asciilifeform: teaches son to venerate father, not Great Inca.
mircea_popescu: i guess. but very jewish you know, cunt planet 100%
asciilifeform: but this is not the only criterion.
mircea_popescu: apparently not.
mircea_popescu: fwiw, this was pretty much the only thing keeping china from demographic collapse except in 1100 not in 1900 like barbarian europe.
mats: confucianism is not as popular as it used to be
mats: and it is even more fragmented than in the past
mircea_popescu: fortunately ~nobody cares about pancakeface gurlz. otherwise we'd be in deep shit, from what i hear the demand is pretty crazy in china.
mats: i personally dunno anyone that cares about it. money is the new religion.
mats: i can tell you don't know many azns
mats: or they wouldn't be pancakeface anymoar
mircea_popescu: mats what's it take to be able to pick among the B/B+s 19-29 in beijing these days ? 1mn cash + 500k/year ?
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu is into chix as tall as he is, of whom there are ~3 in cn.
mircea_popescu: mats indeed not. and also can't fucking stand the obnoxious habit of whining and no-no-no-ing etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that also yeah, but i kept it lowball. i guess 1.75+ counts for A+++ in there.
mats: idk what you're talking about, certainly not a pervasive phenomenon
mats: what, you been watching .jp porn?
mircea_popescu: maybe just meeting the wrong crowd.
mircea_popescu: sluttery is now socially acceptable in cn mainstream ?!
mats: everything has been on sale for decades
mircea_popescu: there's a difference between the actuality and the pretense of it.
mircea_popescu: and the pretense generally annoys me.
mats: there is perennial talk about traditional values, but i suspect its mostly to placate the peasants
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> mats so they wanna put random nobody on 20 dollar bill because female and black ? mkay. << Hey, she was a gun rights supporter and early member of the GOP establishment. Definitely a Kasich voter.
mats: if you move in certain circles, ie folks in bidness, gov, pussy is for sale, display, wutever you want
mats: also lots of ketamine.
mircea_popescu: do you know this from experience, hearsay, internets ?
mats: i grew up with a number of folks that work there
mats: work there now, anyways.
BingoBoingo enjoys irony of Bahamas removing early 19th century Bernie Sanders from $20 to replace with founding member of GOP establishment.
mircea_popescu: mats i keep trying to convince myself to try china with little result.
mats: idk why you wanted to go in the first place
mircea_popescu: gotta see the world!
mats: ancap and all, doesn't suit you
mircea_popescu: how's that ?
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu was expecting it to pop ?
mats: plus you don't even like .cn females!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu seems to like places about to pop
mircea_popescu: maybe they keep the good ones hidden or something.
mats: ancaps want voluntary state, doesn't this conflict with living in a totalitarian universe of short people?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the rape the argentines are receiving is SO FUCKING SATISFYING you can't imagine.
asciilifeform: i can picture !
mircea_popescu: mats you havta appreciate, i don't personally live anywhere ; interface the state away.
mircea_popescu: the last time i had a bill in my name i was 15 and thought it was cool.
mats: ah yes, the fabled technocratic nomad
asciilifeform: the rape << can haz $10k flat in b-a yet ??
asciilifeform: or not ~so~ raped
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no but they're softening, bout half under 100k now, from over 150k a coupla years ago.
asciilifeform: eh i can get this in bmore
mircea_popescu: don't be silly, this is a 10mn pop town with one murder LAST YEAR
mircea_popescu: get THAT in the 100 baltimores it'd take.
asciilifeform: interestingly usg does not publish murder stats divided into ~civilians~ and not
asciilifeform: would be informative
asciilifeform: as it is, we're squarely into 'average person has 1 ball and 1 ovary' territory.
mircea_popescu: yeah, that was teh SIDE
mircea_popescu: looks like ex-chief whore is going to jail over it, too
mircea_popescu: (as announced in trilema, months before in the local press etc).
asciilifeform: betcha she already has asylum flat in sanfran waitin'.
mircea_popescu: and in other news of deep americana interest & BingoBoingo custom tail-ored, http://mormongirlz.com
ben_vulpes: phf: saw that, rofld hard
ben_vulpes: lectured girl on how this is outgrowth of cultural attitudes around computers that nobody owns
ben_vulpes: girl ams fascinate
mats: lol mormongirlz
mircea_popescu: wait, tmsr helping fascinate girls ? since 2016 ?
ben_vulpes: not tmsr, me.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-26#1457821 << there are some minorly trivial security concerns to keep in mind when building webapps
ben_vulpes: specificity of diddling applies.
ben_vulpes: and ftr i motherfucking /hate/ python.
ben_vulpes: for web shit specifically.
mircea_popescu: eh, most of the webstack is SO ROTTEN anyway, you're not fighting against serious economic interest.
asciilifeform: i used it because i found a pgp parser thing for it.
mircea_popescu: anyone even moderately inclinemd can just own any-other-site insteadf
BingoBoingo: ty mircea_popescu for that portal into Utahian culture
mircea_popescu: yep, guy that runs it actually is from slc.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> (as announced in trilema, months before in the local press etc). << care to qntra a short oped on the matter this evening?
mircea_popescu: tis kinda counter-timing, and not really qntra-level of yet.
trinque: hunchentoot is good
mircea_popescu: sort-of on radar but not dinged yet.
mircea_popescu: Moduli with Obvious Brain-Damage: 1888 << soon to 2k!
punkman: ben_vulpes: I don't think there's something not to hate
punkman: but what's so terrible about py anyway?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i really will have to make it paged
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it already annihilates some of the crappier browserz
asciilifeform: punkman: iirc we had a 'why we hate' thread re it
asciilifeform: for one thing, python 2 or 3
asciilifeform: for another, the fact that i can even ask this !!
trinque: the thing having pilfered lisp's notion of operating over lists without having added anything novel/useful itself, and having removed many useful things, such as the language itself being those lists
trinque: fuck python; it is an example of design for "those people" i.e. the idiot consumer or whoever.
asciilifeform: trinque: i use it as pretty much a less-carcinogenic perl.
ben_vulpes: punkman: mostly the miserable OOP implementation.
ben_vulpes: even Java's OOP is less fucking miserable.
trinque: when I write py, I try to forget that it has an OOP impl entirely.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, prolly make it in 100s.
ben_vulpes: trinque: this is why i do webshits in clojure.
trinque: asciilifeform: it can be useful for that, less painful sometimes than perl or bash
ben_vulpes: plus miserable miserable miserable concurrency constructs.
mircea_popescu: ftr, the actual page order varies on each load - diff items at bottom and tompost position. shjould also be fixed this
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-26#1458207 << i found out, already, why. will be fixed on next reload.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-26 18:58 mircea_popescu: ftr, the actual page order varies on each load - diff items at bottom and tompost position. shjould also be fixed this
mircea_popescu: cool. not so much a problem on single page, but killer if you paginate obviously.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-26 18:57 trinque: when I write py, I try to forget that it has an OOP impl entirely.
asciilifeform: no oop, no proggy > a few pgs
mircea_popescu: ftr, in the few and far between cases i wrote anything in c++ i also ignored the whole "oop" stuff.
mircea_popescu: perhaps helped along by the fact that at the time oop was a NEW HOT MUST USE technologee
asciilifeform: phuctor is ~600 ln.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: oop was ~new in 1972.
asciilifeform: HOTHOT111111!~!111 in '90s yes.
asciilifeform: when the remoras got to it.
mircea_popescu: myeah. monkeys.bas was full of the shit, iirc, but at the time more of a "check out how weird ms is" than anything
mircea_popescu: or was it gorrilaz.bas ?
asciilifeform: i dun see oopism in there ?
asciilifeform: i dun even recall there being any oop in ms basic
trinque: glorious Visual Basic has classes
asciilifeform: trinque: the infamous 'gorillas.bas' came with msdos tho
phf: python is good basic
asciilifeform: phf: one could almost think so until realize that it has auto-installers for libs
asciilifeform: and ~2 decades of cancer
asciilifeform: for all of basic's faults it had no such.
phf: basic was around before auto-installers were a thing, if it survived into 2012, would have same
asciilifeform: there are even now basic users.
asciilifeform: 'freebasic', and iirc even 'euphoria' - which was arguably a basic - is still used
asciilifeform: and i'd be surprised if both did not now have lib cancer
shinohai still has a TRS-80 running "Extended Color BAsic" lulz
phf: i've hacked basic recently, "chipmunk" for mac
phf: well two years ago
phf: actually i wrote some code couple of months ago for qbasic because i was curious about the surprisingly feature rich gui stuff. wish i knew about that growing up
asciilifeform: i think pretty much everyone has a 'bedtime' lang where he can sit down and write 3 lines that no, won't show to anyone, but do xxx
phf: oh in that sense i prefer python, it has enough libs to make it very good at "hacking". pyquery, request, pyobjc
a111: Logged on 2016-04-26 19:07 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-26#1458202 << yeah i use it as a perl
trinque: seems right that the very things that make it expedient for hacking something together are what rot the "ecosystem"
asciilifeform: trinque: i'm not convinced of this
asciilifeform: https://blockchain.info/tx/cc455ae816e6cdafdb58d54e35d4f46d860047458eacf1c7405dc634631c570d << lulzies
punkman: phf, speaking of requests in particular (about 80% of the py code I write does http reqs), I've conclude that it's a piece of shit along with everything from the author
punkman: I'm considering going back to libcurl
phf: i agree re piece of shit, but not sure about libcurl, i remember it being a pain in the ass to "configure" to do simple things
punkman: fine if you are doing a dozen requests, miserable when you are doing millions per hour
ben_vulpes: urllib2 is a perfect example of "but i don't want to write oopython!"
ben_vulpes: "TOO BAD, SUCKER"
punkman: I've written my own libcurl wrappers every time I gotta use it with some random language
phf: i write twisted when i need to do anything "millions" and "network" in python
punkman: last time I worked on someone's twisted stuff it was horribly complicated but yeah
asciilifeform: 'millions' --straight to--> c/asm
ben_vulpes: > straight to c
ben_vulpes: you are a masochist
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if you ~actually~ need millions/whatevers/sec
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> i dun even recall there being any oop in ms basic << i didn't care for the naming conventions! SAME THING!
mircea_popescu admits his memory is hazy at best.
asciilifeform: but which is the 'same thing'
asciilifeform: it barely has user-definable types !
mircea_popescu: sciilifeform> trinque: i'm not convinced of this << i'm convinced of not-this. observe paper-and-pencil never rotted.
mircea_popescu: in other news nobody cares about, the new argentine govt liberalised the fx ; as a result the anemic bitcoin market (which was doing 1-10 btc/day throughout the financial controls regime) entirely vanished. i'd be surprised if monthly volume country wise reached 20 btc now.
mircea_popescu: (this is good for bitcoin )
asciilifeform: $up tripleslash
deedbot: tripleslash voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 1-10 btc is dryer lint
asciilifeform: srsly ?
shinohai: Feel free to send your dryer lint to my piggy bank asciilifeform
trinque: $up deedbot-
deedbot: deedbot- voiced for 30 minutes.
trinque: ^ that'll finally go away tonight; gonna finish !deed
trinque: gotta make sure it's bit-identical with the py implementation
gribble: Current Blocks: 409059 | Current Difficulty: 1.7867830767168845E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 409247 | Next Difficulty In: 188 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 6 hours, 41 minutes, and 37 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, srsly.
mircea_popescu: and in other news, i get http://dpaste.com/3T7BNAM which is somewhat flattering, because https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2016-02/msg00225.html
mircea_popescu: for bonus points, https://bitly.com/pages/landing/branded-short-domains-powered-by-bitly?bsd=wiht.link
mircea_popescu: and in other gay prison music videos news, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iUGfURqyhs
shinohai: dafuq did i just watch
shinohai: Moldavian mobsters and traps?
trinque: in my mind, it is about an appreciative john that thanked his favorite whores with their own music video
mircea_popescu: ahahaha wtf surreal shit
mircea_popescu: think he has a chance in us pres race ?
mircea_popescu: hair seems ~right i think ?
mats: thats a lot of views
mircea_popescu: all the famous shit nobody knew about.
mircea_popescu: so : turns out a) the guy is romanian ; b) COMPLETE ro media blackout on him. i think they're embarassed. ~only mention is from jan pointing out he was mentioned in huffpo
mircea_popescu: (ro tards are, like all third world shitheads, verily enamoured with the zombie-libtard venues)
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, more youtube views than romania altogether lol. clearly media blackout works!!1
punkman: sounds a lot like greek kitsch gypsy songs
mircea_popescu: ~what it is
mircea_popescu: ahahaha prince had been doing 100k worth of dilaudid a year for 25 years ?
a111: Logged on 2016-04-27 00:40 mircea_popescu: ahahaha prince had been doing 100k worth of dilaudid a year for 25 years ?
a111: Logged on 2014-08-25 03:08 asciilifeform: busy as a bee << funny that they show an idiot sow scrubbing, and not, e.g, paul erdos crapping out theorems
shinohai: niiiiice mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: i simply dun grasp rich folk who take 'downers'
asciilifeform: srsly, why.
mircea_popescu: guy had some sort of injuries. futzing around on stage for years is a very skeleton-damaging line.
asciilifeform: then possibly
mircea_popescu: wtf is this lame shit, "we would like for this to not exist kthx"
asciilifeform: see also 'ashley madison' et al
mircea_popescu: wtf "sop". no fucking "sop". i sold them no sop licenses. and who the fuck cares about employee counts, bejaysus.
mircea_popescu: the national bank of quatar is marginally qualified to serve street kebap. in a year or two they may get their game up to where they can make a tardstalk account and not seem out-of-place idiotic.
asciilifeform: hey at least it isn't ukr bank
asciilifeform: last rites huh.
asciilifeform: shinohai: coming next, jewelry shop that ejects poor people !
shinohai: I found it funny the # of reported .gov emails supposedly in this dump
mircea_popescu: seems improbable tho, military peeps are slobs in all times/places.
phf: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/2204118 "The venerable Linux /dev/random served users of cryptographic mechanisms well for a long time. ... In the last years, however, the Linux /dev/random showed signs of age where it has challenges to cope with modern computing environments"
mircea_popescu: the venerable penis, also.
phf: "The cryptographic processing of the entropic data is implemented with a well-known and well-studied deterministic random number generator: an SP800- 90A DRBG as defined in  – naturally excluding the NSA-sponsored Dual-EC DRBG. "
mike_c: btcalpha is back up
mike_c: ping danielpbarron - what's this eulorum problem you're seeing?
mike_c: ;;later tell danielpbarron well, let me know if you're still having problems.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
danielpbarron: still can't log in
asciilifeform: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/440D0BC08E2900358948A4780B4049E8150E7468DB850EE4F3688EA22750A92E << lel
mike_c: danielpbarron: try now.
mike_c: surprise, php is a piece of shit
mike_c: ;;later tell danielpbarron fixed.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
danielpbarron: mike_c, works now. thank you
mircea_popescu: (seo is useless. proof inside.)
mike_c: at least you won the 'most famous mircea popescu' award - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=mircea+popescu
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-27#1458335 << do i need to dissect this step by step, or is the braindamage obvious ?
a111: Logged on 2016-04-27 02:09 phf: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/2204118 "The venerable Linux /dev/random served users of cryptographic mechanisms well for a long time. ... In the last years, however, the Linux /dev/random showed signs of age where it has challenges to cope with modern computing environments"
asciilifeform: moooooooodernize aha.
asciilifeform: 'The Dual_EC_DRBG RNG was later reported to probably contain a backdoor inserted by the National Security Agency, while the other three random number generators are still considered secure' << are we at the circus ??
asciilifeform: or where.
phf: new zeland crit, "weta"
phf: rng posted for comedic value, thing reads like clever parody, while it of course is not
asciilifeform: reads like systemdism
phf: guy's name is familiar though
phf: oh, i'm confusing him with stefan monnier, former emacs maintainer
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: that's 2/2 for bothered today
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> guy had some sort of injuries. futzing around on stage for years is a very skeleton-damaging line. << Also religious objection to blood transfusions so no elective surgeries