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PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-17#1453238 << I guess I am technically downstream from Flint River, but first the water gets diluted in the largest freshwater lake in the world (4th largest by volume)
phf: ffs
shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/x0p
gribble: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo last one I promise http://ix.io/x0v (more changetip lulz)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: PeterL acts like a decanter (lead salts sink).
BingoBoingo: Yeah, lead doesn't belong in the decanted fluid. It belongs in the glass of the decanter.
trinque: $up deedbot-
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: unrelatedly, i found out that orlov told the truth, and it really does cost only a few hundy usd/mo. to part a 30 ft. boat (on east coast usa at least)
deedbot: deedbot- voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ever consider doind the orlov thing and moving to one ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But how would I get to engage in my lawncare hobby living aboard? Seawater isn't exactly a great growth medium for turfgrasses.
asciilifeform: garden on uninhabited islands ?
asciilifeform: iirc orlov had one
BingoBoingo: Now that could be a hobby.
mircea_popescu: trinque operation SOMETHINGORTHEOTHER ?
trinque: lolwat
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: prolly 90% of the reason i even read the man, is that his idea was solid - there is exactly ~one~ escape from the real estate leeches, and it is into the ocean.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform costs a lot less than that to park it in colonia on the rio de la plata.
mircea_popescu: trinque re the darknet link
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i would park there immediately if i had a ship.
trinque: mircea_popescu: ah hadn't read yet; I was just throwing that in here because deedbot- was unvoiced
trinque: RSS link
trinque: I've got a few more tasks left then I can kill the old bot, couple of days
mircea_popescu: the point being, that the mooring costs of a small vessel are about as relevant to such decisions as the cost of toilet paper to choosing your eventual residence.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is relevant in usa.
mircea_popescu: trinque thanks god you made it come back after getting fucked, seems an hourly occurence these days.
asciilifeform: elsewhere - i can easily believe that it is not.
trinque: mircea_popescu: it's gotten ridiculous, yeah
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: under discussion was orlov's gambit of seagoing-thing-as-escape-from-rent
asciilifeform: rather than pleasure yachting
mircea_popescu: nowhere it is relevant for STRUCTURAL reasons. that it appears significant to you in x context it's only because you're not accounting for the other, more important costs, which also scaled up.
trinque: I inquired in #freenode and no staffers said a word
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: which costs ?
mircea_popescu: ie, if you can't afford the toilet paper in monaco, that doesn't mean it's because ofg the cost of tp you can't move there.
deedbot-: [Qntra] The Parting Of ChangeTip Continues - http://qntra.net/2016/04/the-parting-of-changetip-continues/
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform suppose you spring a leak and must have it fixed RIGHT NOW. or at least be toed in drydock.
mircea_popescu: the notion that escape from rent is to go into a hostile element that's not self-sustainable is about as retarded as you'd expect from americans.
mircea_popescu: hey you know what ? pay more taxes, thatg'll malke them go away!
mircea_popescu: and if you can't talk to women - BE MORE SELECTIVE AS TO THE WOMEN YOU TALK TO!!11
mircea_popescu: too fat ? eat more junk food. too lazy ? get comfier couches. wanna escape rent ? move on fucking venus! no rent there, it's all costs!
asciilifeform: spring a leak - fix it alone.
mircea_popescu: get out.
mircea_popescu: you're going to fix leaks alone when you couldn't as much as buldgeon to death a puny taxman.
phf: live on boat is a slightly more proactive take on "wait for zombies to come"
BingoBoingo imagines converting uninhabitted island to kentucky bluegrass monoculture and setting loose solar robot mowers has potential for lulz.
mircea_popescu: ~anyone can wring the neck of a mousy accountant.
mircea_popescu: much harder to plug leaks in seagoing vessels.
mircea_popescu: phf maybe they're zombie manatees ?
BingoBoingo: Zombatees!
asciilifeform: realize, the 2k/mo i wouldn't be paying in rent buys quite a few fixed leaks.
mircea_popescu: no, "live on boat" is more of the same adolescentine male fantasy displayed by overfed neotenic preteens captive in aging, sagging bodies that won't grow up for the life of them.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, it does not.
mircea_popescu: costs have a structure that is idependent of your perception.
BingoBoingo: How many fixed leaks does it buy 25 km from shore?
mircea_popescu: if the rent is 2k the leak fixing is 20k. for the same reason.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: my understanding is that many of the folks doing the boat thing (and we have them even here in dc) don't go far from the parking dock.
mircea_popescu: the folks "doing the boat thing" are a 1% subset of the folks doing the RV thing.
asciilifeform: and when they start to leak, they use the lift (comes with the slip rent) and drag the tub to the communal repair lot, and work.
mircea_popescu: which folks are old, poor, and marginal for a fucking reason.
mircea_popescu: if you're going to do that might as well move to rural georgia, pick a blondy and a mulatto woman and smoke meth for your remaining years.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Ah, but here live on boat parking is $800 for a slip on Mississippi river and places with yards are often less.
mircea_popescu: guaranteed not to even notice the inconveniences of the lifestyle.
BingoBoingo: And rivers, unlike ocean flood
phf: it seems like a fun thing to do when you're young though, as long as you don't sit in the dock all the time ermagerd
shinohai: thx BingoBoingo
mircea_popescu: phf everything's fun when you're young and have money.
BingoBoingo: yw shinohai ty for the submissions
phf: :D
mircea_popescu: the reason this is so, is because as you age you become enmoored to various idiocies.
mircea_popescu: easy to be recognized because they come in a few standard flavours :
mircea_popescu: "i need X for X" "wouldn't it be cool if X then i could Y" etc.
phf: it seems important to die from time to time
asciilifeform: phf: understand, i find it appealing strictly from the escape-from-rent angle.
mircea_popescu: the problem of old people is that they don't think they may have permission to exist.
mircea_popescu: this is all the better - they don't.
BingoBoingo: Oh, is that what was going on at the Marina?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i just happened to go in one, on the way from place 'a' to place 'b'
asciilifeform: quite incidental.
asciilifeform: and yes, somehow life on ships is 'adolescentine male fantasy' to mircea_popescu but shooting tax collectors (who, where i live, come in tanks and with heavy machine guns, by the dozen) isn't...
phf: asciilifeform: you really need to be a mythical la-fondian character from robert howard stories to pull it off as "escape from rent", but then you won't be escaping to begin with, since you were never it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not the point. the point was that YOU COULD, actually, wring a tax accountant's neck. you could not, as a factual matter, plug a leak.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so mr o's tub never leaks ?
asciilifeform: or is actually a nuke sub funded by moscow ?
asciilifeform: or what
mircea_popescu: nevertheless you do not consider the former a feasible approach to the problem of tax ; but you without as much as batting an eyelash pull the former out fo ass in response to a challenge you hadn't even considewred!
mircea_popescu: why is it that you think yourself the crystal dragon jesus of wrighting boats when you can't as much as punch out another chimp ?
mircea_popescu: every chimp can punch out another chimp. no chimp made a boat.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my heuristic is that i consider problems involving simple physical systems, thousands of years in test, as SOLVABLE. and those involving people/social skill, etc. NOT.
mircea_popescu: this heuristic is about as idiotic as the heuristic that you consider men approachable for sex but women not.
asciilifeform: understand the difference ?
mircea_popescu: it's called a sexual preference, not a fucking heuristic.
asciilifeform: one type of item i deal with, like breathing. other - entirely useless in.
mircea_popescu: "i'm gay because i have so much experience iwth it"
phf: but more importantly how do you put an electronic microscope on a boat?
mircea_popescu: phf it doesn't count there, anymore.
asciilifeform: phf: you don't
mircea_popescu: he'll gyro-stabylize it because SOLVABLE.
asciilifeform: actually i would.
mircea_popescu: fuck, seawater great solvent, will solve a lotta things.
asciilifeform: understand, i would rather seal hard disks against sea foam, than deal with humans.
mircea_popescu: it surely as fuck solves iron right into the depths!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is a problem. for some reason you're approaching it at the very wrong end of the funnel.
asciilifeform: there is exactly one end.
mircea_popescu: mno. there's the end where you try to build a gyroscope-stabilized microscope on a small sea platform ; and there's the end where you start going to bars and picking up women you're not the slightest bit interested in and marrying them.
mircea_popescu: you're fixing the wrong end.
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu had said anything else i'dve worried that he were stolen and replaced by a cheap double.
mircea_popescu: only expensive doubles here!
mircea_popescu: but it is actual lived experience, not just theory. i have a female human right here whose task it has been to talk to women each day for the past months, and it has driven her to tears and the very brink a few times already.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless. the cure is the cure ; the dicking around is the dicking around.
asciilifeform: there is not a cure for missed childhood development
asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu knows this,.
mircea_popescu: funny, so said she.
asciilifeform: chix are reflashable.
mircea_popescu: i know no such thing, and you're lucky you don't have tits, there'd be a whipping in it for you by now.
asciilifeform: old men are not reflashable, (though i hear, they ~are~ recyclable..)
mircea_popescu: everyone's fine once they give up on the disease.
mircea_popescu: and nobody before.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-18#1453427 << it is mircea_popescu'd ideological sauce that these are equivalent or even comparable, i get it.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-18 16:36 mircea_popescu: why is it that you think yourself the crystal dragon jesus of wrighting boats when you can't as much as punch out another chimp ?
asciilifeform: dun make it so.
mircea_popescu: no, they're not equivalent in the slightest.
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> every chimp can punch out another chimp. no chimp made a boat.
mircea_popescu: politics are easy ; technology is hard. that some people would dedicate themselves to the hard without any whatsoever effort put into the easy is both scandalous and suicidal.
asciilifeform: snore, ye olde 'mens sana in corpore sano' (tm) (r) aha
asciilifeform: i am satisfied that our mircea_popescu has not been stolen!
mircea_popescu: what, it was made obsolete by the community ?
mircea_popescu: no but that's exactly the pretense here.
mircea_popescu: "community" has gotten together and made it obsolete. *rolleyes*
asciilifeform: nobody cancelled it, no
asciilifeform: but man without legs has to get pretty good with arms.
asciilifeform: or is good for nothing at all.
mircea_popescu: so then! what "ideological sauce". it's a fact.
mircea_popescu: eh, and man without "an appetite for labour" will have to do pretty good on theft ?
mircea_popescu: so sad too bad, such mystical self amputations.
asciilifeform: everything's mystical to the fella who dun have to live it himself.
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all --currency rmb
gribble: BTCChina BTCRMB last: 2782.45, vol: 15773.66450000 | Volume-weighted last average: 2782.45
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 427.34, vol: 3206.09913799 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 424.964, vol: 5717.23032 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 428.51, vol: 8893.37331293 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 429.219396, vol: 15772.64250000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 427.74, vol: 940.68242767 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 426.6132, vol: 16.46486105 | Volume-weighted last average: 428.116589838
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all --currency gbp
gribble: Bitstamp BTCGBP last: 299.907212, vol: 3206.02786246 | BTC-E BTCGBP last: 298.2390334, vol: 5717.33053 | BTCChina BTCGBP last: 301.81011, vol: 15772.36150000 | Kraken BTCGBP last: 300.0, vol: 45.45277591 | Bitcoin-Central BTCGBP last: 299.0364, vol: 16.46486105 | Volume-weighted last average: 300.733847674
mircea_popescu: check that out, poor deedbot. blackholed on the hour like clockwork
a111: Logged on 2016-04-18 17:13 mircea_popescu: check that out, poor deedbot. blackholed on the hour like clockwork
trinque: the thing would stay connected for a week or more while I was developing it
mircea_popescu: don't mind the coincidences.
asciilifeform: cosmic rayz!1111
deedbot-: [Trilema] Consumerism is not the answer, though it will put you to sleep ; or, American History X - http://trilema.com/2016/consumerism-is-not-the-answer-though-it-will-put-you-to-sleep-or-american-history-x/
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-18#1453376 << i still have trouble grasping the notion of 'tipping' outside the servility context (e.g., restaurants etc)
a111: Logged on 2016-04-18 16:24 deedbot-: [Qntra] The Parting Of ChangeTip Continues - http://qntra.net/2016/04/the-parting-of-changetip-continues/
asciilifeform: how do folks not barf.
phf: a tip *tips fedora* for m'lady *winks*
trinque: it's not so much a payment as it's a facebook "like"
asciilifeform: trinque: but with faux btc ?
asciilifeform: 'Analysis of Lenny’s Ubuntu operating system’s configuration revealed that – similar to Simpson – there was no logging or auditing configured beyond the default configuration that ships with Ubuntu. Analysis of the /var/log/auth.log file showed tampering via overwriting unlike
asciilifeform: Simpson which had its log deleted. The last few lines of the log were overwritten with NULL (0x00) bytes, preventing digital-forensic recovery.'
asciilifeform: ^ l0l!!11
shinohai: Just more social media faggotry.
trinque: but "anywhere!1!1!"
asciilifeform: 'LLI performed an assessment of the ShapeShift infrastructure against the CryptoCurrency Security Standard (CCSS). The assessment identified...' << holy FUCK what?!!
trinque: yeah, now they can sell certifications and have conferences, what?
asciilifeform: apparently this 'standard' does not include basics such as server-logs-on-paper-tape
asciilifeform: which i thought even in zimbabwe was baseline civilization
shinohai: Oh ow, they *just now removed compilers* from the cloud machines HUE
asciilifeform: 'Ledger Labs drafted an Employee Security Policy and an Infrastructure Security Policy that identify security procedures and protocols for the use of ShapeShift assets. Employees are required to read and sign the policies and submit identification to ShapeShift’s Human Resources department. This control helps ShapeShift achieve compliance with CCSS Level 2.'
asciilifeform: l0ltr0nic, or,
asciilifeform: as mircea_popescu might say, 'jobsworths bore something fierce'
asciilifeform: 'Although this is required for CCSS Level 2 and not Level 1, LLI recommends that ShapeShift’s architecture be re-architected to require multiple signatures.... ...End-users should be presented with a P2SH address (or equivalent for its coin type) that is built from a script that requires 3 signatures – 2 signatures from online signing agents that exist external to ShapeShift’s infrastructure'
asciilifeform: << ahahahaha! finally the usgtronic payload
asciilifeform: and, likewise, 'Although Deterministic Keys is another CCSS Level 2 requirement and not Level 1, LLI recommends ShapeShift’s architecture be re-architected to make use of deterministic seeds.'
asciilifeform: 'haxx0r3d because did not use the standard amulet and did not sacrifice to Great Inca!11'
asciilifeform: sacrifice M04R!111
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> 'LLI performed an assessment of the ShapeShift infrastructure against the CryptoCurrency Security Standard (CCSS). The assessment identified...' << holy FUCK what?!! <<< hey, the empire's hard at work.
asciilifeform: this goes right back to mircea_popescu's old observation re 'jobsworths', i.e. that you can't actually ~pay~ folks to give a fuck
mircea_popescu: anyway, shapeshit's irrelevant with our without all the "oh noes look at how famous bitbet is let us try and engineer an imperial equivalent"
asciilifeform: you can only, on a good day even, pay folks to tick the boxes in the 3-ring.
asciilifeform: waiwut i thought this was a fiatola exchange
mircea_popescu: it's ~nothing, in the style of xapo and whatever else.
asciilifeform never even heard of it before qntra
mircea_popescu: anyway, for the noobs : mpex 1st conference was principally this thing where voorhees and casares tried to convince me usg is the only game in town, with me laughing, and me stating mtgox isn't going to be around for long, with them laughing.
mircea_popescu: somehow this "usg matters" is a difficult drop of molasses to escape
mircea_popescu: at least for certain kinds of flies.
asciilifeform: the kind stuck in
asciilifeform: and, presumably, not realizing that themselves also do not matter
mircea_popescu: there were also some other side shows, but that was the central attraction.
shinohai: I am enjoying this Qntra thing way more than I expected.
mircea_popescu: $addtotoldyousofiles
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: which pseudopod specifically did they argue 'matters' ? usd ?
deedbot: $addtotoldyousofiles is not a command.
shinohai: ^ kek
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, it's just this lifestyle / mentality thing. not SO different from your very own gyro-boat thing, really. by which i don't mean anything other than that they themselves were unaware of what exactly arguing.
asciilifeform: my 'gyro-boat' has a found foundation in my utter loathing of the company of the typical meatsack
asciilifeform: *sound f
asciilifeform: and i don't argue it as a universal good, but as something i specifically want out of life.
mircea_popescu: well, their notions about the world are arguably also not a "universal good" in this sense, and similarly based on utter loathing [based in turn on fear, like all loathing {based in turn on unexamined ignorance, like all fear <supported by optionality, like all nonsense>}]
mircea_popescu: suffice it to say that one thing leads to the next, and before you know it you're a robber on the lam with some dead nightwatchmen in your past, merely for "just wanting to". evil is fruit of the poisonous root, and for as long as one buys into the priors, one will end up in VCtron land willy-nilly.
asciilifeform: so, e.g., mircea_popescu's lack of eagerness to be buggered, say, by six metre long black cock, is also 'from loathing and ignorance' ?
asciilifeform: or is this pref legit where others are not
asciilifeform: and then how.
mircea_popescu: hey, check you out using the sexual comparison skill to great disruption and awesome effect.
asciilifeform: l0l seemed like an obvious test.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing illegitimate about preferences, inasmuch as they're someone's preference.
mircea_popescu: there's also nothing surprising about the effects of preferences.
asciilifeform: i dun see any surprised people
mircea_popescu: i thought the whole discussion started with some derpy webservice being surprised by its own success or somesuch.
asciilifeform: aha, then it turned into how asciilifeform is as dumb and unreflective as vorhees, or sumthing
mircea_popescu: no it didn't!
mircea_popescu: "by which i don't mean anything other than that they themselves were unaware of what exactly arguing". it's not aboot you!
mircea_popescu: it's about the damned gyroboats.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mod6: ugh
mod6: maybe i'll feel better tomorrow.
shinohai: Still sick B?
mod6: ya. stayed home today and slept.
mod6: beat down status
mod6: i think i'll be in good enough shape to work remote tomorrow.
shinohai: Pollen is like an inch thick here, allergies got me a bit but I got meds.
asciilifeform: must be great having dayz off tho
asciilifeform: (i theoretically have some, but must hoard them, for job interviews...)
mod6: i get quite a number of them, plent extra in case i need to interview.
mod6: *plenty
asciilifeform: mod6: you have the kind that can be stored for >1y dontcha.
mircea_popescu: mod6 what did you get anyway, stomach flu ?
mod6: well, some sort of flu,or wicked cold. seems to be mainly fever & respitory symptoms.
mod6: asciilifeform: this place gives you 18 days on Jan 1st. they gave me like 5 days between when I started in late oct and the end of '15.
asciilifeform: mod6: neato
mod6: ftr, i never seen a place ever offer more than say, 12 + company wide holidays.
mod6: so this is well above par
asciilifeform: company-wide ?
asciilifeform: as in, everyone ?
asciilifeform: what the hell is that good for
mod6: yah, like, day-after-thanksgiving, etc.
asciilifeform: useless.
asciilifeform: i celebrate 0 holidays and would prefer that they ~all~ be movable
asciilifeform: but that might be just me.
mod6: basically, you can't choose it, but they throw that in as in, "hey, look, we're such good guys we're gonna give you the day off even though you probably would have taken it off anyway; nevermind that the rest of the "free" world has this day off too."
mod6: and, i agree with you, i could give a shit less.
mod6: i'd rather beable to move those additional ~4-5 days around at will.
mircea_popescu: you should see the argentinian "work" calendar.
mircea_popescu: reminds me of 1990s romania
mircea_popescu: $up ag3nt_zer0_
deedbot: ag3nt_zer0_ voiced for 30 minutes.
ag3nt_zer0_: hey whats up.... was wondering where everyone went...
ag3nt_zer0_: do I still have self voicing-privilege?
ag3nt_zer0_: typo my bad
mircea_popescu: $gettrust deedbot ag3nt_zer0_
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
trinque: he does without that underscore.
ag3nt_zer0_: haha stupid ok
ag3nt_zer0_: hi trinque nice to see ya... bbl
trinque: hello
mircea_popescu: gotta know your name man.
deedbot: [Trilema] Eulora : Official May Auction, or a celebration of lifestyles! - http://trilema.com/2016/eulora-official-may-auction-or-a-celebration-of-lifestyles/
phf: https://eprint.iacr.org/2016/367 analysis of openssl rng, conclusion it's bad
a111: Logged on 2016-04-13 09:03 punkman: https://eprint.iacr.org/2016/367 "we demonstrate various weaknesses of the random number generator (RNG) in the OpenSSL cryptographic library"
mircea_popescu: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RapePortrayedAsRedemption << lulziest thing in the usg-verse, that fantastic collection of mental representations.
mircea_popescu: apparently they're aware of the educational aspect involved, and all that.
asciilifeform broke down & bought 'standard' and 'rationale' circa 2012
asciilifeform: and finally understood why the '95 b00kz were so cheap.
phf: Why?
asciilifeform: phf: aside from the useful 2012isms discussed previously (see logz - spark, predicated types, etc) the standard lib grew
asciilifeform: in useful ways
asciilifeform: standardized templates for frequent chores, e.g., queues, stacks
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 407916 | Current Difficulty: 1.7867830767168845E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 409247 | Next Difficulty In: 1331 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 18 hours, 52 minutes, and 56 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
mircea_popescu: $up go1111111
deedbot: go1111111 voiced for 30 minutes.
go1111111: are logs of this channel posted publicly somewhere? I see 'This is a logged channel' but no link to logs on trilema.com
BingoBoingo: btcbase.com/logs
go1111111: hm, 'sorry, that page cannot be found'
a111: Logged on 2016-04-19 02:07 go1111111: hm, 'sorry, that page cannot be found'
mircea_popescu: lol can you read that ?
mircea_popescu: got random reader guy VERY pissed off, that thing.
BingoBoingo: Can't really make much of the tweets, but that goes with the medium.
mircea_popescu: guess so huh.
BingoBoingo: Twitter is a foreign language
deedbot: [Qntra] Apple Keeps OSX Users Stuck On Vulnerable Git Version - http://qntra.net/2016/04/apple-keeps-osx-users-stuck-on-vulnerable-git-version/
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