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thestringpuller: it just takes more effort.
phf: thestringpuller: i've used vim from about 98 to 2002 and have no problems with it, but the whole vi vs emacs thing is silly. vi is a text editor, emacs is a lisp machine. there are some substitutes hemlock, mit scheme's edwin, climacs, but nothing with this much live ecosystem.
thestringpuller: lol climacs. that's a good name.
thestringpuller: i may learn emacs one day just haven't had the motivation.
thestringpuller: espcially since I'm technically still learning VIM.
pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/KTVU/status/689236139681562629/photo/1 << presumably this is where you just run the nignogs over with your fucking car ? or am i missing something here. if "black health mattered" maybe they shouldn't be adding to the bay area congestions and smog.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47900 @ 0.0005312 = 25.4445 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Finally: A Public Masturbation Booth Just For Men!: Gothamist ... ( http://bit.ly/1PCA44j )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00051942 = 2.701 BTC [-] {2}
pete_dushenski: it's like a brothel for the 21st century
pete_dushenski: and for japan
pete_dushenski: ie. dead cultures and moribund civilisations
danielpbarron: >> Once in awhile I think maybe the jihadists should win. Sigh. New York values. >> They would just replace the booth with a goat.
mircea_popescu: even goatfucking is reserved for actual men in islamistan.
mircea_popescu: impudent cocklets and assorted socialmediacs get to stfu.
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phf: jurov: [...] now i'm curious what gpg does here << gnugp avoids the first two issues, data exchange happens through own custom buffer mechanism (fixed size and wiped at earliest possible point after each use, with afaik necessary bits to prevent caching to disk, etc.) and openpgp "packets" come with 3 byte headers, that describe the type and the size of the payload.
phf: i know ascii doesn't like the code, but it's a lot more competent than openssh
mircea_popescu: "Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 9_2 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/601.1.46 (KHTML, like Gecko) Mobile/13C75 [FBAN/FBIOS;FBAV/46.0.0.54.156;FBBV/18972819;FBDV/iPhone6,1;FBMD/iPhone;FBSN/iPhone OS;FBSV/9.2;FBSS/2; FBCR/AT&T;FBID/phone;FBLC/en_US;FBOP/5]"
mircea_popescu: holy shit they leak a lot of info
phf: jurov: i've been playing with the gossipd PoC, and it's entirely possible to get a gnupg packet from the wire, defensively, byte at a time, and know at any point how much more you need to get.
mircea_popescu: even do bounds checking on the byte half the time
thestringpuller: https://medium.com/@bendavenport/the-bitcoin-block-size-listen-to-the-market-de9ef6607da5#.6l3uh82x8 << d00ds stealing ideas from assets and republishing on medium. "herp derp I'm so smart. I read the logs and am going to post on medium"
mircea_popescu: http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/meatsong.htm << hey we have this in common, i also like carnivorous plants.
assbot: MEATSONG ... ( http://bit.ly/1RQsYzy )
assbot: First! Largest! Bestest! Ever! …In The US | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1RQt0r3 )
pete_dushenski: mr. "largest raise in fiat by someone i know"
mircea_popescu: dude looks like a shoe salesman.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51800 @ 0.00053121 = 27.5167 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: were it not for 'tech' he'd prolly be just that
pete_dushenski: wasn't he involved with the vessenes phoundation too ? or am i mixing him up with another beige derp
mircea_popescu: in other news i emailed the falkvinge dood an interview invite. curious if he gets it together eventually.
pete_dushenski: o.O ben davenport is "Co-founder & CTO at @BitGo. Co-founder of @Beluga. Running Bitcoin syndicate on AngelList."
assbot: BitGo Multisig: A Stranger, His Friend, and You | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1RQts8M )
mircea_popescu: what was bitgo supposed to do anyway ? i forget.
thestringpuller: they do sakurity
thestringpuller: ^-oh no trinque aws is being toolbags again
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: multisig webwallets
mircea_popescu: heh mkay.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: they have super secure bitcoin wallets that never get hacked!1111 moar sakure than mpex!!!!!111
thestringpuller: clients include: bitstamp (nuff said?)
pete_dushenski: bitgo also does a fair bit of rubber stamped security.
mircea_popescu: hey danielpbarron ask twitter.com/avflox if she doesn't wanna write for qntra ?
mircea_popescu: lol BingoBoingo is having a slow news day.
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pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2016/01/19/eizo-ev2455-bk-unboxing/ << as hard to believe as this may be, this was in the works ~before~ mircea_popescu published his computer pics post today. i swear, you guys. you gotta believe me. I'M NOT MINI-MP OMGAWD.
assbot: EIZO EV2455-BK unboxing | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/20aZnBQ )
thestringpuller: lol i prefer projectors.
pete_dushenski: also working on belated hearn eulogy and trb history part ii this week.
pete_dushenski: both of which, yes, were started days ago. mp just parallel processes better, making it ~look~ like he's quicker to the punch.
pete_dushenski: he also doesn't have infant crying next to computer. alas... the comparison really breaks down quickly, doesn't it.
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phf: huh can't download shit from dropbox using links. "this video requires adobe flash player"
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> lol BingoBoingo is having a slow news day. << So slow I went to bed early
BingoBoingo: <thestringpuller> ... << d00ds stealing ideas from assets and republishing on medium. "herp derp I'm so smart. I read the logs and am going to post on medium" << Many, many more of these
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> he also doesn't have infant crying next to computer. alas... the comparison really breaks down quickly, doesn't it. << Well, now it does.
BingoBoingo though waits for pete's piece on the glory of wetnurses
BingoBoingo: Undoubtably to be unveiled on Contravex with a post title "Meet the Wet Nurses Volume 1: Elin and Gisele"
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phf: complete with a mandatory opening panorama shot of a merc 280sel pulling up to a mansion
BingoBoingo: Who knows? Maybe by Child 9 pete acquires a G Wagon for the roads or lack thereof?
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 384.61, vol: 6678.13639591 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 386.596, vol: 7050.93892 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 384.54, vol: 15978.57433837 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 365.0, vol: 2.05192602 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 387.439178, vol: 43660.24560000 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 388.35225, vol: 57.68452551 | Volume-weighted last average: 386.470102243
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more. To do so, call this command with that person's nick.
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punkman: twitter.com/avflox << and it's gone
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90600 @ 0.00053418 = 48.3967 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2016#1375937 << if only more webdevs said that, mebbe we wouldn't be in current situation.
assbot: Logged on 18-01-2016 21:18:53; trinque: and "fuck you I wont work on this shit" passes for a guy moving rectangles around in a web browser.
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 621 @ 0.00280753 = 1.7435 BTC [+]
punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2016#1375888 << carrying small mini/micro-atx box sounds like a better deal than half-working laptop. though I suppose it doesn't work during train commute.
assbot: Logged on 18-01-2016 21:08:37; ascii_butugychag: ben_vulpes: there is no escape from portable.
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assbot: Government urged to use Bitcoin-style digital ledgers - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1PnHDvd )
BingoBoingo: !up cazalla
cazalla: ah, thanks BingoBoingo! just came to say happy martin luther kang day! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_8MOwGcJ2A
assbot: IT'S MARTIN LUTHER KING DAY CHARLIE BROWN! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PnHN5J )
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cazalla: everyones asleep at this time eh
cazalla: vexual still come around?
adlai tries to "keep bitcoin weird", since vex doesn't even ask for !up anymore
adlai: cazalla: how's life without the IRC-IV?
cazalla: well, i still skim the logs and follow some of the conversation, but it's nice to have a break from following every line
cazalla: it's still a good idea for newcomers, but having done my year of reading, there are some topics on which i already know what the general opinion of it will be from here, and i guess that is the benefit of having done the reading for such a length of time
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adlai: have you pressed & rotorated a proper turd yet?
cazalla: no, i tried maybe 6 months back but came up short
adlai: trinque has put together a makefile which streamlines part of the process, you may want to try again
assbot: Logged on 18-01-2016 15:15:10; mod6: Attention TRB Testers: If you want to help test, please take the time to build trb via trinque's makefiles here; http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000190.html (Should be basically getting & verifing the tar ball; plus setting up a ~/.wot dir with keys for V to use) -- then a `make` in the directory. Please report your findings. Thanks.
adlai: !up cazalla
cazalla: thanks, i'll take a look
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cazalla: night all
punkman: oh man, some asshole run the stop sign outside my house again, hit delivery guy with motorcycle
punkman: poor guy got thrown like 5-10 meters away
jurov: lol dat monitor porn. crappy lg with visible burnout spots of backlight tubes here :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 205500 @ 0.00054045 = 111.0625 BTC [+] {5}
jurov: what one ends up trying to not eat the equity...
jurov: *ends up with
punkman: jurov, new LG is like 100eur though
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 346750 @ 0.00054243 = 188.0876 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: Amazon.com: EIZO FlexScan EV2730QFX 26.5" Square IPS Monitor 1920x1920 (EV2730QFX-BK): Computers & Accessories ... ( http://bit.ly/1WqtKSH )
punkman: and it doesn't even have hdmi port
mircea_popescu: * BingoBoingo though waits for pete's piece on the glory of wetnurses << http://40.media.tumblr.com/5751439f7ed33505f6853ae43c319816/tumblr_n8q9vlx4Df1rx1nxro1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: phf> complete with a mandatory opening panorama shot of a merc 280sel pulling up to a mansion << somebody's done his blutjunge verfuhrerinnen & assorted swiss cinematography studies huh.
mircea_popescu: punkman> twitter.com/avflox << and it's gone << wait wut ?!
mircea_popescu: punkman most trains in civilisandia have power outlets.
mircea_popescu: cazalla> no, i tried maybe 6 months back but came up short << lotta changed since then. for one thing, it now works.
adlai: even "israil" has outlets in cabins... one at each end >_<
mircea_popescu: lol israel sounds so much like a sort of romania, trying to emulate all the refinement and civilalalili of turkey from the other end...
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shinohai: mornin #b-a
adlai: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00050896 / 0.0005319 / 0.00054357 (4033643 shares, 2,145.50 BTC), 7D: 0.0004914 / 0.00052001 / 0.00054357 (7675391 shares, 3,991.34 BTC), 30D: 0.00047125 / 0.00050494 / 0.00054357 (55733584 shares, 28,142.60 BTC)
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, hey asciilifeform ever read http://trilema.com/2012/blutjunge-verfuhrerinnen/ ? :D
assbot: Blutjunge Verfuhrerinnen on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1nvlkgV )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: l0l yes
mircea_popescu: ima stop doing this apparently you read 'em all.
asciilifeform: not all.
asciilifeform: not yet.
punkman: mircea_popescu: punkman most trains in civilisandia have power outlets. << perhaps if you stick a small lcd on atx box and carry a small keyboard/trackpad combo.
mircea_popescu: good, save one or two or you might provoke the murderous rage of my mother.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell pete_dushenski you ~do~ realize you bought the 'poorfag' non-'colouredge' or 'radiforce' eizos, right ? the 120dpi 2008-era-panel-but-made-2016-cheapo-6bit-dac ones ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: punkman or you could go all out on murderous rage, place the box in the luggage space overhead, and dangle a monitor from there by mr bean's sock.
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punkman: mhmm
punkman: asciilifeform: does eizo do the 6bit thing?
mircea_popescu: actually, this would fucking kill - barely functioning deeply retarded webgeek comedy.
asciilifeform: punkman: pretty sure that it's begun to.
asciilifeform: punkman: i have a 'modern' one here in this array and it does not 6bit, but ~does~ pwm flicker
shinohai: I was sure I would be synced this morning but these last 1k blocks are slooooow.
assbot: Logged on 19-01-2016 12:00:06; mircea_popescu: punkman most trains in civilisandia have power outlets.
punkman: I also saw a monitor advertised as 10bit, and then noticed "actually only 8bit" in the small print. not sure if this was in the logs, but quite outrageous.
asciilifeform: in usa, ~some~ LONG-range (e.g., dc to boston) have'em
asciilifeform: but certainly not city subways
asciilifeform: punkman: it is absolutely SOP. normally the extra bits are only available for the gamma corrector, as the link to the panel is strictly 8 per channel
asciilifeform: thinkaboutit
mircea_popescu: last i visited die berliner Huren there were 3 plugs per 2 seat isle
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: neato
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1376472 << it's a so-so panel, you're paying for the form factor (iirc the squares are used in airport control)
punkman: I'd rather buy 10 LGs for that price
mircea_popescu: "Why four $800 monitors ? Mostly because I’m not a poorfag" << - >> <asciilifeform> ;;later tell pete_dushenski you ~do~ realize you bought the 'poorfag' non-'colouredge' or 'radiforce' eizos, right ? << lol i'm sure he'll be thrilled to hear.
asciilifeform: hey if they work for him...
mircea_popescu: http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/P1180684-1024x768.jpg << check it out, he propped them up on bricks of canadian money.
asciilifeform: the 'poor' eizos still beat the living shit out of everything you see in a konsooomer electronics shop
asciilifeform: incl. crapple
punkman: I don't think I can tell 6bit/crappy-PWM monitors apart from the better ones
mircea_popescu: incidentally, i like the arrangement, ostensibly every window in the backroom opens into a small cell populated by one nude houri ?
asciilifeform: punkman: some people (incl. me) can SEE the dither buzz
jurov: punkman surely not new 1920x1200
asciilifeform: it VISIBLY FLICKERS
punkman: jurov: 1920x1080, new
asciilifeform: the main problem with the cheap eizos is the not-nearly-enough-pixels thing, imho
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123725 @ 0.00054495 = 67.4239 BTC [+] {3}
punkman: not paying a premium for 120 extra pixels
mircea_popescu: hey, some people edit pr0nz for a living. they have to do it on mobile workstation as well as at home and that sixth-inch clitoral hood HASTOLOOKGOOD!!11
jurov: i plan upgrade to Philips BDM4065UC 4K soon anyway
asciilifeform: jurov: ever see the '5k' panels ?
jurov: no?
asciilifeform: there are already several vendors supplying these
mircea_popescu: ie 5k pixels wide ?
asciilifeform: but i don't have one, it is my understanding that you cannot drive it with a fanless gpu
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha
jurov: i know so far. but they are either 28" or $$$ + new gpu in either case
mircea_popescu: the last time i had a fanless gpu most of the girls i know today were still virgins omaigerd.
asciilifeform: i will NOT use a fanned gpu.
mircea_popescu: why use a fanned cpu ?
asciilifeform: i'd throw those out also if i could.
asciilifeform: fucking hate the noise.
asciilifeform: always hated it.
mircea_popescu: so build one of those submerged rig things.
punkman: 40" inch for 3840 x 2160 sounds a bit big
asciilifeform: (iirc this is in the logz) i DID experiment with water, for years
asciilifeform: just to reduce noise
mircea_popescu: what water, are you a poorfag ? oil.
asciilifeform: punkman: seems like you are describing a tv set ?
mircea_popescu: OLIVE OIL!
jurov: punkman: i have inherited a working table from grandpa that allows me to have the monitor 1m away
punkman: asciilifeform: jurov's Philips
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asciilifeform: i bet mircea_popescu submerges in fluorinert
mircea_popescu: lmao when we started, computers plugged into the tv. and after 20 years spent spinning in the desert, as we age computers plug into the... tv.
jurov: s/table/desk/
mircea_popescu: jurov i also have a 100sq ft desk. pretty cool/
mircea_popescu: someone else's grandpa tho
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shinohai: I wonder if I could sell olive-oil cooled computers. Market the oil as being trampled at precise temperatures under the feet of certifiable virgins. Increases the cooling properties.
asciilifeform: anyway submerging is nontrivial (electrolytic caps soak up your coolant and bloat, then burst) and you can also forget about repairs or upgrade
asciilifeform: likewise submerged cooling works great for, e.g., mains transformer outdoors, but for 'point source' of heat like cpu, requires circulation pumps, which... noise
asciilifeform: i considered it, yes
asciilifeform: a decade ago, even.
asciilifeform: it worked ok for cray because he ~designed for it~
asciilifeform: pc crapola - isn't.
mircea_popescu: you can for one thing use convection.
mircea_popescu: shinohai olive oil is actually not terrible for this role. just, prohibitively expensive.
asciilifeform: electrolytic caps soak, burst
asciilifeform: what part of this is unclear.
mircea_popescu: you caulk them.
mircea_popescu: superglue all the things.
asciilifeform: go, caulk the 2mm ones, aha.
asciilifeform: i'll wait.
mircea_popescu: THEN submerge them in pesto.
asciilifeform: something like 400 of them on my mb alone
asciilifeform: and in what liquid are we to drown the spinning hdds ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just pour some caulk on the upface of the mobo, let it be.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: caulk does not thermoconduct well.
mircea_popescu: get silvercaulk :D
asciilifeform: the other thing that you will find, if you do this, is that... the parasitic capacitance nails you.
asciilifeform: recall permeattivity ?
mircea_popescu: no, because see, olive oil.
mircea_popescu: this is why it's good.
asciilifeform: dielectric constant of $liquid differs from that of air.
mircea_popescu: ;;google dielectric constant of extra virgin olive oil
gribble: DIELECTRIC CONSTANT AND INDUCED DIPOLE ... - ResearchGate: <https://www.researchgate.net/file.PostFileLoader.html?id=5614bca56225ff66298b458d&assetKey=AS%3A281807657422848%401444199589259>; Chemical Characteristics | The Olive Oil Source: <http://www.oliveoilsource.com/page/chemical-characteristics>; Chemical composition of olive oil - Clackline Valley Olives: (1 more message)
asciilifeform: srsly, go try it. drown one of your pogos.
mircea_popescu: why r u so mediocre google.
mircea_popescu: The dielectric loss was low (<0.01), except for virgin olive oil with a value of 0.05.
asciilifeform pictures squad of servants, noses pinched with clothespins, emptying mircea_popescu's box for daily olive change
mircea_popescu: nah, it has to be sealed. it's inert if it can't oxidate.
jurov: what about virgin tears?
mircea_popescu: those are lubricants not coolants.
jurov: oh, these for hdd then
shinohai: on pogo, the hdd is the only thing that ever seems to get hot.
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1376546 < get better fans and larger hs - i have done this, cant tell if machine is even running by noise
assbot: Logged on 19-01-2016 12:40:06; asciilifeform: i will NOT use a fanned gpu.
mircea_popescu: technically that's not even on pogo
asciilifeform: at any rate, the actual 'non-poorfag' thing... exists. it is a copper hedgehog, looks a little like a substation transformer, with MACHINED cavity to mount the mb, cpu, hdd in. 100% convection.
asciilifeform: but we're talking about half a tonne of cu.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no we're not. the OTHER thing you can do is plug one of the ends of those heat inverter units into it. whatever the fuck they call them.
asciilifeform: afaik this was never ~commercially~ available, there was - briefly - an aluminum thing from zalman
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mno. condensation. koolance corp. made this, it sucked balls
mircea_popescu: you need to stop living in a swamp at some point.
mircea_popescu: also, they don't have to get below fog point.
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you are breathing in the room, there is water.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: ANY FAN is audible and therefore too loud.
mircea_popescu: yes but there's also thermodynamic equilibrium. you only get liquid phase condensation in some cases on the curve.
asciilifeform: the other thing is that peltiers are laughably inefficient, and you are then stuck trying to cool the hot end
kakobrekla: not at my 200rpm
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: you've just confessed to having poor hearing
kakobrekla: and isolated case
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla he has bat hearing, which is why he can feed himself on mosquitoes in the dark.
asciilifeform: i can hear a laptop fan, a room away.
mircea_popescu: should he ever need to.
asciilifeform: pet says i did not go to enough 'concerts'
kakobrekla: laptop fans arent silent
mircea_popescu: i can hear the thinkpad.
asciilifeform: silent fan is a lulzy contradiction in terms
asciilifeform: the motherfucking air is MOVING
mircea_popescu: i could faintly hear it, then i had it cleaned for my sins, now i can distinctly hear it.
asciilifeform: ever hear of turbulence ?
mircea_popescu: but hey, at least it cools better.
kakobrekla: at 200 rpm the only thing you can hear is bad bearings
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sooner or later you'll have to face the fact that the turbulence other people get isn't like the turbulence you get.
mircea_popescu: like in those cartoon "rain cloud 2x2 follows guy around"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i get quite a bit, i use boards with >1 cpu socket even
kakobrekla: and i have done away with bad bearings
kakobrekla: it did cost a fortune but hey
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla if i recall the calculations correctly the principal harmonic should be ~285 hz if you 200rpm
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: i have fluid bearing fans here, can hear them just fine
mircea_popescu: i doubt he can hear below 15khz or so
kakobrekla: not all are same
asciilifeform: also opterons run hot.
asciilifeform: you won't get away with 200 rpm.
kakobrekla: thats another problem
asciilifeform: 2 x 150w each.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47403 @ 0.0005847 = 27.7165 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: my psu doesnt even run a fan
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55664 @ 0.00056072 = 31.2119 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: 'fanless' ps typically relies on there being airflow from cpu+case fans
asciilifeform: (try and take one, run under 100% load on a bench with no flow, on a hot summer day)
mircea_popescu: it occurs to me, you could just get some of that aluminum foil flexible tubing stuff, plug the case in and have the vented done in the other room.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is louder still
mircea_popescu: well no, you serpentine the tube.
asciilifeform: the correct recipe when one has other rooms is to run the displays over fiber
asciilifeform: and have the machine far, far away.
asciilifeform: as symbolics did
mircea_popescu: also this.
kakobrekla: asciilifeform it has a fan it just doesnt run it
asciilifeform: (the thing sounds like an airplane, literally)
kakobrekla: so its not fanless.
mircea_popescu: put the big iron in the basement. check it out, BingoBoingo vax lives!
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: i run at 90-100% load on a typical day
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've intended to do this for 15 years, but it requires a dwelling with multiple stories
kakobrekla: get a bigger one and it will run at lower relative load :)
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: if pc ps came in 20kW, i would...
mircea_popescu: for the record, sed 's/<[^>]*//g' takes just about 1k seconds to purge a 6gb pile of webcrud into 1.5gb of pressed juice.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you got no basement ? i thought you had a house not flat
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is a flat house.
mircea_popescu: o wait, swamp.
mircea_popescu: what do you mean "flat house"
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: the basic problem is that there are no miracles, semiconductors have a temperature ceiling, the heat has to leave as quickly as it appears, or meltdown
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 1 level
mircea_popescu: but it's a house, no ? it necessarily has a roof
kakobrekla: very high efficiency helps
mircea_popescu: so you got an attic.
asciilifeform: has an attic, which is entirely unsuitable for electronics
mircea_popescu: whyssat ?
asciilifeform: (boiling hot in the summer, mega-condensation in the winter, not hermetically sealed either)
mircea_popescu: bwahahah
mircea_popescu: us technologee ?
asciilifeform: understand, attics exist for insulation
asciilifeform: so a properly-constructed one would be ~worse~ place to park cpu
mircea_popescu: depends whose. but anyway - you hopefully rent this sad hovel, not own it
asciilifeform: i don't 'own' anything
mircea_popescu: get a properly made house.
mircea_popescu: pro tip : cured meats as well as grains used to be stored there.
assbot: Logged on 08-06-2015 04:27:15; asciilifeform: i, for instance, would much like to publicly register as 'anyone who walks in with my name and slave serial number and tries to take a mortgage, ever, is to be shot immediately'
mircea_popescu: what mortgage.
asciilifeform: well i assumed that's what mircea_popescu meant by 'own'. that's how poorfags in usaschwitz 'own' houses.
mircea_popescu: so have more money.
asciilifeform: i'm not sure i'd even use computers if i had Moar Money (tm) (r)
mircea_popescu: i think ima have this printed on cards. universal solution.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: cards have 2 sides! one side shows recipe A: broomstick
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know i actually did the same thing ? mid 90s to mid 00s, i didn't evne own one.
asciilifeform: other, B: 'have some money'
asciilifeform: anyway none of the thermal problems are a thing on a dirigible, which comes with free airflow.
asciilifeform: so mircea_popescu does not need any of this.
asciilifeform: and i wouldn't either, if had 'moar money'
mircea_popescu: actually, i don't really give a shit about fan noise, not while im awake at any rate.
asciilifeform: as it is, i'll bbl, gotta go slowly die in a box for a while
mircea_popescu: i prolly also run cheaper, shittier monitors than all of you, and in general... i'm just a more modest fellow!
jurov: mine is shittier
jurov: :D
mircea_popescu: lol cute.
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punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1376480 << ah just noticed all of twitter is borked
assbot: Logged on 19-01-2016 11:59:39; mircea_popescu: punkman> twitter.com/avflox << and it's gone << wait wut ?!
punkman: and now it works, weird
adlai: danielpbarron, Luke-Jr, and/or any other scripture scholars... is there no good commentary in the entire internet for Mat16:18 !?
jurov: !up Luke-Jr
mircea_popescu: only one of the most commented bits in all the scripture ?
adlai: thus, 'good'
PeterL: seems to be well covered in sereval different directions
adlai not being much of a scripture expert, seeks commentary on the commentaries...
PeterL: there seems to be a question as to the antecedent of "this rock" as to whether it referes to Peter or the previous verse
adlai notes, as a humorous aside, that someday there needs to be a rock-off between PeterL and PeterR
mircea_popescu: www.studibiblici.it/.../Mt%2016,13-20%20-%20Solemnitatea%20Sf.%20Ap. %20Petru%20si%20Paul%2029%20iunie%202014.pdf www.crestinortodox.ro/.../primatul-sfantului-petru-studiu-contrast-148637. html
PeterL: whois PeterR?
mircea_popescu: lol no idea ? your isomer ?
PeterL: oh, whoosh
adlai: "there are always two"... master mike leaves the sith order for the private sector, so a new apprentice appears.
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adlai: i'd invite him here but that would just be too confusing what with the diastereomerality
jurov: make sure you show him in polarized light
adlai is never unbiased! objectivity is for news-papers and block-chains
mircea_popescu: really, there's little point in inviting known derps. if all the dude ever did was you know, trying to find a pretext outside to talk about himself, he really belongs on myspace or whatever, not here.
adlai: in other lols, it looks like m'tooms has also picked up the dope: http://pastebin.com/raw/DPPs7qtc
mircea_popescu: lol BingoBoingo ^ plox to or actually...
mircea_popescu: anyone wanna do a qntra ?
adlai has done enough noise for today, goes back to signal generation
mircea_popescu: "anduck [10:05 PM] it certainly looks like bitcoin classic wants everything made for them, under their control, on their platforms. that's not how it works" << BUT ITS NOT FAIR!!1
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punkman: ^_^
mircea_popescu: holy shit.
mircea_popescu: grep: (standard input): Cannot allocate memory << meanwhile sed just fails silently (prolly same issue)
assbot: #185208 - grep: very large file with no newline causes trouble - Debian Bug report logs ... ( http://bit.ly/1PD7X4R )
mircea_popescu: who the fuck wrote grep so it NEEDS newlines ?
mircea_popescu: "Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 19:32:59 -0400 We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of grep" fixed my foot.
mircea_popescu: nothing fucking works. ffs.
copypaste: mircea_popescu I guess if that works. Afaik /b/ is actually logged and publicly accessible.
copypaste: I'm quoting a trilema article for the purposes of commentary
copypaste: If you give me a few minutes I'll get to the commentary :)
mircea_popescu: ok but you gotta quote better. like with quotes and source.
mircea_popescu: otherwise how am i to know
assbot: The irc world is a big but very flat place. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/23cg5mQ )
copypaste: I was getting to that too :D
copypaste: Anywho, /b/ is archived by many third parties, but the archive sites have a maximum lifetime of 18 months. After that time, an all encompassing archive always fails.
mircea_popescu: archive.is has been around for a few years now for instance
jurov: nice how the ethereal ideal of "text" that can't be falsified in any conceivable system meets reality
copypaste: There are many reasons. Perhaps DMCA notices, perhaps the size of the archived content is too much for the derp running it to maintain, perhaps the guy running it just doesn't want to
copypaste: Ah ha, but archive.is is not just for /b/, and it doesn't strive to archive everything, only requested things.
mircea_popescu: jurov dude, srsly. for one thing, the file is 1.5gb, the available ram 4x that. EVEN IF IT READ IT AS A SINGLE LINE it should work.
copypaste: So archive.is's view of /b/ is not comparable to the #b-a log, which represents everything
mircea_popescu: but people can't fucking code.
mircea_popescu: copypaste true.
mircea_popescu: honestly, chans have to be toilet paper, who the hell is going to waste the bw/hdds for it otherwise.
copypaste: Indeed, I came to that conclusion independently
mircea_popescu: however... a wot-based chan, now that may be interesting.
mircea_popescu: you could technically run a chan off v.
copypaste: How could it work?
copypaste: I could help make one if you have an idea
copypaste: Would it still be anonymous ?
mircea_popescu: well, you could go two ways with it. one'd be, subscription driven, like a sort of twitter. one can see any content of people whose sigils they imported and nothing else.
copypaste: I don't understand how anonymity and the WoT could intersect in a meaningful way
mircea_popescu: the other would be push driven - people encrypt their photos to the keys they want to see them and no others.
mircea_popescu: neither of this would be anonymous - it would be pseudonymous.
mircea_popescu: anonimity is for idiots.
copypaste: ah, I see. So like Reddit then
mircea_popescu: either way a random cs-illiterate third party would not see anything.
copypaste: I've actually never even heard of a chan with forced usernames
mircea_popescu: so like twitter-reddit on sane-tor
copypaste: Much less forcing GPG keys
mircea_popescu: copypaste how are they forced ? you run gpg and make a key. whatever it comes out.
mircea_popescu: can make one key per post if you want.
mircea_popescu: ideally you replace the browser entirely, also. run as a sort of torrent.
copypaste: I see. It could have an option then to see posts not in your WoT
copypaste: Then to see posts in your Level 1 WoT, Level 2 only and so on
copypaste: I think it's a cool idea
mircea_popescu: depends which model you choose. if people encrypt their output, there's jack you can do
copypaste: No need for encryption, perhaps as an option only. Signing is just as well.
copypaste: If I get a WoTchan working, I'll link it here.
mircea_popescu: did you read the part about fuck the browser, also ?
copypaste: If I have I don't recall
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> ideally you replace the browser entirely, also. run as a sort of torrent. <
mircea_popescu: just fork gnutella or whatever to serve as your basis. add a render engine, and you're g2g.
mircea_popescu: no longer need to host servers, bother with "laws" and similar bullshit. if people like your shit they'll run it.
copypaste: Not bad
mircea_popescu: if not, a well. less bw.
copypaste: Gnutella did work well
mircea_popescu: but you and the people who like it can STILL run it.
mircea_popescu: basically, the correct way to implement this, is to have a "universal" key and have people encrypt to whatever keys they want. if they include the universal, then it's public. if they don't, then only whoever they encrypted to can see it.
mircea_popescu: and now V also becomes a chan soft.
deedbot-: accepted: 1
mircea_popescu: copypaste it'll take a while to implement, you'll have to pull in gpg too, and some other shit. but once done it does obsolete current chanology. i can't conceive who or how could run a chan anymore on anything else.
copypaste: I especially like the part about no centralized hosting
copypaste: I have a friend who is now working for fluffypony and Monero on adding I2P to that coin (perhaps the work is already finished)
mircea_popescu: it's really not THAT hard to do, in the sense that all the needed parts already exist, even if not perfect.
mircea_popescu: so it's not one of those "shit me a micron" sort of jobs.
copypaste: But before he was doing that, he was making a distributed chan using the NNTP protocol and Tor/I2P
fluffypony: copypaste: psi?
fluffypony: oh he's awesome
fluffypony: he's not working for me, he's working with us :)
copypaste: Sure sure
mircea_popescu would actually run this thing, anyway. i'm kind-of missing /dtng/
copypaste: DTNG?
mircea_popescu: i ran a chan, eons ago
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=102333.5 << got the early bitcointards pretty incensed.
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copypaste: http://topchanjgbabhkmb.onion/ Did psi show you this fluffypony ?
fluffypony: copypaste: nope, what is it?
fluffypony: Tor says unable to connect
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assbot: Documentation: Forums · RetroShare/RetroShare Wiki · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1PD9RT6 )
copypaste: It's linked on topchan.xyz so I just assumed it would work
copypaste: Perhaps no frontends are currently working, that would be a shame
copypaste: I guess I'll have to ask psi the current status of the project
fluffypony: he's in #monero via the irc2p relay
fluffypony: oh I lie, he's not, but he's in #kovri-dev
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell adlai "Satoshi Nakamoto never signed communications, and are is thus"
gribble: The operation succeeded.
shinohai tried this as well, kinda liked some of it: http://about.psyc.eu/
assbot: (PSYC) Index ... ( http://bit.ly/23cixcQ )
adlai: ah well. "but at least i fucking tried"
adlai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo excellent choice for your latest deed
gribble: The operation succeeded.
adlai: !s nitrous
assbot: 22 results for 'nitrous' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=nitrous
adlai: in case anybody missed this thread
adlai: mircea_popescu: at a certain point, you just have to stop editing and shoot the bastard
adlai: (fwiw the self-styled ABC is a super-secret facebook group called "advanced bitcoin" where all recent discussion seems to be about the bitcoinclassic 'slack' channel... at least they also have the policy of requiring new entrants to read 'logs', so it's not all noise)
adlai: letter emerged from my first impression upon seeing their latest babble
thestringpuller: ;;later tell cazalla miss you mah nigga. wish I could stay up late enough with you to chat.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111600 @ 0.00056436 = 62.9826 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: oh wow MPOE at 56k
adlai: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00050896 / 0.00053647 / 0.00060199 (4823476 shares, 2,587.68 BTC), 7D: 0.0004914 / 0.00052395 / 0.00060199 (8382759 shares, 4,392.17 BTC), 30D: 0.00047125 / 0.00050578 / 0.00060199 (56239342 shares, 28,444.79 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75800 @ 0.00056587 = 42.8929 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: !up gabriel_laddel
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_butugychag
ascii_butugychag: (even the volkischer beobachter makes fun of'em)
ascii_butugychag: gotta love especially the part where 'you did not break our system, but a weak variant which we for no good reason give to all testers!111'
mircea_popescu: yeah, "this was refuted" blabla.
mircea_popescu: seems to me the conjugate separation is a rather universal solution
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1376755 << what kind of behaviour do you want out of a grep with an input having no newlines ? shit out whole file ?
assbot: Logged on 19-01-2016 14:38:49; mircea_popescu: who the fuck wrote grep so it NEEDS newlines ?
ascii_butugychag: grep doesn't return byte offsets, but assumes... lines!1111
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag it works by words too!
mircea_popescu: what if i say "two words before three after" ?
ascii_butugychag: no idea what kind of grep mircea_popescu is using, but mine deals in lines.
mircea_popescu: grep -o -P '.{0,3}string.{0,4}' << does what ?
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1376818 << this existed and was (is?!!) called 'freenet.' and it sucked balls.
assbot: Logged on 19-01-2016 14:57:37; mircea_popescu: copypaste it'll take a while to implement, you'll have to pull in gpg too, and some other shit. but once done it does obsolete current chanology. i can't conceive who or how could run a chan anymore on anything else.
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag wait what ?!
ascii_butugychag: !s freenet
assbot: 32 results for 'freenet' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=freenet
mircea_popescu: o look, a year of paid development is 27k
mircea_popescu: anywa, freenet has exactly nothing to do with what was contemplated here.
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mircea_popescu: the idea isn't to "surf websites" and "easy upload and download". the idea is to replace the motherfucking browser altogether, so that a chanpage is created out of discrete resources requested from peers exactly like the browser works but without touching any sort of web anything.
ascii_butugychag: reduced to gossipd, no ?
mircea_popescu: certainly very close.
mircea_popescu: anyway, you don't have to even parse html and all that bullshit - because your site template is fixed.
mircea_popescu: so it kills the browser and everything web, all the way down.
mircea_popescu: and honestly doing away with this particular bowdlerization of the idea of freedom where sites "can change" is such a great win just by itself...
mircea_popescu: it should be fucking illegal to deviate from format. fucking idiot "symbolics" "designers".
mircea_popescu: THIS is how a blog looks or go die.
mircea_popescu: there's absolutely nothing valid or even remotely interesting you might need to "express yourself" through writing into the book sideways and with a round hole in the middle of the page.
ascii_butugychag: wai wut symbolics wut ??
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag you know, the orcs that don't have alphabet because their mommies were sluts or something.
ascii_butugychag: ah i thought you meant the defunct american corp
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ascii_butugychag: what next, xerox is just a dry leaf ?
mircea_popescu: next hopefully we do away with the notion of "font".
ascii_butugychag: and a dumpster is a fella who likes to hang around dumps...
mircea_popescu: maybe the chinese take care of that.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: how to 'do away with font' ? issue ibm rollerballs to everybody ?
mircea_popescu: "you can install fixedsys to do any glyph translation you want on your system ; you may never reference glyphs when talking to other systems"
assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 17:35:59; ascii_butugychag: the other outputs also other things
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mircea_popescu: something like this is fucking obvious, even to the lowliest derp : there is no concept of "wordpress theme" in the fucking code, and if you want to "skin it" you eitgher write one or, as the derp case usually is, go to a repository and load one you like. nobody goes "hey, we should be able to decide what wordpress theme is used to display this article IN THE FUCKING ARTICLE".
mircea_popescu: but then the only reason this obviousness is obvious is because THEY FUCKING CANT.
mircea_popescu: otherwise they'd be "improving" this too.
mircea_popescu: html going the way of the ^G would be a greater win than most anything else. and not just for computing sanity, either.
ascii_butugychag: shit are we gonna have to do the maths notation thread again.
mircea_popescu: i thought it was resolved, and the resolution was "no more bullshit"
copypaste: what's wrong with unicode
ascii_butugychag: the resolution was that you can pry matrices from my cold, dead hands.
mircea_popescu: what's that to do with html ?
ascii_butugychag: nothing, html must die
ascii_butugychag: this was re: glyphs.
mircea_popescu: copypaste were you here for the "the humanoids in unicode are the wrong color" discussion ?
copypaste: nothing, but it has a lot to do with fixedsys
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag how's "you may not reference glyph tables intra-systems" doing anything to your matrices ?
copypaste: i don't think so, but i do remember that in the newest revision skintones were added, which was strange
copypaste: i don't think fonts should contain color data
mircea_popescu: you wanna look at them, paint them any way you wish. you wanna communicate them, stick to ((),())
ascii_butugychag: how do you indicate a mode switch ?
mircea_popescu: copypaste the solution to infestation isn't to draw lines on the floor and try to keep the bugs from crossing over. the solution is to fog the place. no more unicode.
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag what mode.
copypaste: what would you have instead of unicode, which would support all the world's languages?
mircea_popescu: fuck that.
copypaste: or, do you not think all the world's languages are worthy of support?
mircea_popescu: all the world's languages can go invent their own computers. i'll read them in the afterlife.
ascii_butugychag: nah only cultured man languages.
copypaste: so english, russian, romanian, chinese?
copypaste: is chinese cultured?
mircea_popescu: chinese is anticultured.
mircea_popescu: they wanna compute, learn to abc.
ascii_butugychag: ... they did
ascii_butugychag: !s pinyin
assbot: 7 results for 'pinyin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pinyin
mircea_popescu: (this point, incidentally, is uncontroversial in the chinese space)
mircea_popescu: as it was in ru space
mircea_popescu: back before the whores starting pretending like government is a job.
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thestringpuller: oh looks bitgo wants to compete with green address: http://www.coindesk.com/bitgo-instant-bitcoin-transaction-tool/
mircea_popescu: lol how are they gonna "compete", who gives a shit about that thing ?
thestringpuller: compete for lemming money!
punkman: thestringpuller: what's a "key recovery service"?
gernika: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1376813 << this exists and is known as Bitmessage. Does not use gpg though.
assbot: Logged on 19-01-2016 14:53:03; mircea_popescu: basically, the correct way to implement this, is to have a "universal" key and have people encrypt to whatever keys they want. if they include the universal, then it's public. if they don't, then only whoever they encrypted to can see it.
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mircea_popescu: gernika so in what sense does it exist ?
mircea_popescu: PeterL gotta love how "against socialism" became "superficial". things that go against teh superficious ideology are ignorant!!11
mircea_popescu: jurov waitwut ?
jurov: iirc you dreamed about ooversize trucks?
mircea_popescu: check that out, they put wheels on a shoe.
PeterL: mircea_popescu, and instead of relying on parents to explain to thier children the background of the culture, we must ban the book. Bleh.
gernika: I suppose in the same sense as bitcoin exists.
mircea_popescu: gernika the idea was to make a chan not to convey short text messages in a roundabout manner.
mircea_popescu: PeterL there is no way to explain the background of the culture in an ideologically acceptable manner.
gernika: Bitmessage has a concept of chans - public forums.
gernika: with pictures even
mircea_popescu: it's rank nonsense. "back then, people owned people, which is bad" "why ?" "i dunno, bahamas said so"
mircea_popescu: shrug. you a dev there gernika ?
gernika: I am not. In my pre-#ba days I worked on project that used it. a distributed market, of all things.
phf: end of 90s remnants of su intelligentsia, who grew up on stolen, non-localized hardware in the 70s and 80s, were actively arguing for translit. i still periodically get emails from hard science types written in translit. i remember some of those people were really mad when emacs 20 added localization support (MULE was particularly dodgy take on it). i didn't understand what the big deal was back then though. ironically i didn't have
phf: shit to write or read, where's those guys produced GBs of text in translit, published entire tex papers that used escape codes to do cyrillic, etc. should've listened.
mircea_popescu: i guess this is perhaps not obvious, tho i'd expect it to be : the odds of recent code created by random derps not in the wot being ever recommended, used or regarded positively here are somewhere between nil and epsilon. even old, widely distributed, supposedly well reviewed code turns out pretty shitty on examination.
mircea_popescu: moreover, the wholly misplaced expectation of youthful enthusiasts that they may make a name for themselves through independently "creating" shit must be quashed.
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing. there shall never be such a thing.
mircea_popescu: phf i was one of the very few ro writers that never migrated.
mircea_popescu: tore a bunch of holes in the "logical arguments" of the retards, to exactly no effect. their logic consists of whatever they make algal blooms out of.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99700 @ 0.00056517 = 56.3474 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: "GPG is useless because if somebody manages to exchange the data while it is transferred to you, he probably also switched the key with his own to sign the application again so it looks valid."
mircea_popescu: these people are writing code ?
assbot: GPG-signed Downloads? ... ( http://bit.ly/1PengXp )
gernika: It has other problems as well, namely spam, which it was explicitly "designed" to prevent.
mircea_popescu: spam shouldn't be a problem in a sane implementation of the above-discussed design
punkman: retroshare does p2p forums with gpg, but I wouldn't really trust the thing
mircea_popescu: broadly it seems more like a sort of confused yahoo messenger implemented by teenagers than anything.
phf: key exchange is hard, but i designed this easy to use automated schENALRGE YOUR PENIS NOW!!
mircea_popescu: punkman notably, the one difference between this and gossipd is that it really doesn't require so much trust. the paramount question isn't to make it possible for derps to safely exchange child porn or whatever, the paramount question is to make it possible to run a chan without having to bow down to an isp providing server space.
mircea_popescu: at least in my understanding.
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mircea_popescu: "Outgoing messages do not contain the explicit address of the recipient of the message. Therefore, every network participant attempts decryption of every message passing through the network even if the message was not originally intended for that network participant. Since only the actual recipient can successfully decrypt the messages intended for him, all network participants know that if they fail to decrypt the mes
mircea_popescu: sage then the message was not intended for them."
mircea_popescu: lol this should scale nicely.
PeterL: isn't that how bitmessage worked too?
PeterL: died under a dos, iiuc
punkman: I like how retroshare provides a platform for various p2p applications, I hope whoever builds #ba-gossipd won't make it too IRC-oriented
mircea_popescu: punkman what's your definition of irc-oriented ?
assbot: The Bitcoin believers - FT.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1PeqxWB )
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punkman: mircea_popescu: dunno, a system that lets you build IRC on it but gets in the way when you try to build other things (forum/chan, filesharing, etc)
mircea_popescu: "Based in the heart of NYC, with strong banking and political partnerships, Coin.co is focused on establishing relationships with some of the world's most influential companies and institutions." << fancy that, website at least still exists.
mircea_popescu: punkman this doesn't say too much does it ?
punkman: indeed
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_butugychag
mircea_popescu: https://github.com/Bitmessage/PyBitmessage/issues/775 << poor surda, i guess he's trying the entire "push a mountain uphill to build strength" approach.
assbot: singleton.py misdesign · Issue #775 · Bitmessage/PyBitmessage · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1NiK6Wi )
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gernika: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1376982 << would an illustration of this be that on a timescale of 5 years (i.e. one year after acquihire), nothing created in SV by youthful enthusiasts remains?
assbot: Logged on 19-01-2016 17:34:03; mircea_popescu: moreover, the wholly misplaced expectation of youthful enthusiasts that they may make a name for themselves through independently "creating" shit must be quashed.
mircea_popescu: gernika for instance.
assbot: Logged on 19-01-2016 15:06:13; *: shinohai tried this as well, kinda liked some of it: http://about.psyc.eu/
ascii_butugychag: even packaged its own oop shitlang
ascii_butugychag: from 1990s.
mircea_popescu: i really don't blame the kids themselves, they're being raped under the guise of education, and in two major ways : one to create a wholly delusional concept of "originality" which is so badly wound up in self-contradiction it causes most brains to shut down ; the other is more pervasive, they are prevented from socialising normally in a myriad ways and as such become incapable to work with others.
mircea_popescu: while these idiocies may well serve societal and political goals of wrinkled up old women / usg, they have no room in the world.
ascii_butugychag: i'm not seeing #2
ascii_butugychag: they socialize very, very well
ascii_butugychag: too well.
gernika: ascii_butugychag: beg to differ
mircea_popescu: going to church is not socialisation, it's antisocialisation.
punkman: ascii_butugychag: I was looking at their website last week, pretty much confused lemming doing random shit
ascii_butugychag: but ~inside the leprosorium~ yes
mircea_popescu: they can't go to a random bar, they can't talk to random people.
mircea_popescu: socialisation is an ability to interact with the other , not an ability to tolerate the boring.
ascii_butugychag: but the latter is precisely what happens in 'random bar with random people'
ascii_butugychag: tolerate the boring.
mircea_popescu: not at all.
gernika: Roommate worked for adultfriendfinder.com. Did not leave his room, ever. And smelled like it.
ascii_butugychag: gernika: nowhere is it written that a hermit must stop washing.
gernika: Bathroom is down the hall, outside of the room.
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag there's a problem of positive feedback loops.
mircea_popescu: person gets used to himself.
ascii_butugychag: sure. could shit on the floor, too
ascii_butugychag: but it is possible not to.
ascii_butugychag: to make an... effort.
mircea_popescu: there's a difference between "maintaining homeostasis" sort of things and what you describe.
mircea_popescu: ever tried dead reckoning ?
ascii_butugychag: one leg is longer, aha
mircea_popescu: errors compound. without a star or other fixed outside...
ascii_butugychag: 'englishman takes a bath every week, whether he needs it or not!' (tm) (r)
ascii_butugychag: at any rate, mircea_popescu will not find perelman inside $randombar
mircea_popescu: i will find everything everywhere, thank you very much.
mircea_popescu: this is just another restatement of the 'you won't find your soulmate in the brothel'. what are you, your own mother ?!
phf: hermit is not the same as hobo. i saw a hermit in india once, he lived in a cave and was well groomed within the limits of what was available to him. he smelled infinitely better then the bums that were begging in the street. for all practicle purpose american nerds are "hobos" with housing
ascii_butugychag: phf has it
phf: mind and will go first, then the body
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ascii_butugychag: 'mens sana in corpore sano' (tm) (r)
mircea_popescu: phf you know there's an entire classification of the ... idle members of society. hobo travels, will work. tramp won't work, but travels. bum doesn't travel. etc.
mircea_popescu: a punk is, of course, the eromenos in the typical pressure-driven homosexual relationships they engage in. a hooker's not the same as a harlot and so on and so forth
phf: yeah, i'm lost with the terminology. my view into the lazy world is through hipster bums, like crust punks and gypsters, and they are not very precise with their terminolgoy, or else they latch on to some word and aggressively use it to self identify
punkman: what's below the bum?
mircea_popescu: well... you know, random technician in factory may well not know wtf he's doing also.
mircea_popescu: punkman the bum is not violent. generally "below" would go towards more violence.
mircea_popescu: a knave, well antiquated by now, would technically denote a "child of better means who is now destitute and agressive out of survived entitlement". a word lafond's looking for.
ascii_butugychag: violent man is.. not yet ~spent~. bum - is spent.
mircea_popescu: there is some merit in this.
mircea_popescu: female side is similar. whore is just that, end of road. hooker tries to grab you with a well placed line, still has that much fight left in her.
phf: with this classification crust punks and gypsters mostly fall into tramp category
mircea_popescu: imo they're scamps. (juveniles trying to live off recycling)
mircea_popescu: sorta common behaviour in youth of all mammals.
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ascii_butugychag: btw ru prison hierarchy follows similar gradation
mircea_popescu: there's a reason for this, it's natural.
ascii_butugychag: at the bottom you have folks who no longer care how many kg of shit is attached to body
mircea_popescu: when the weigher for the worth in pounds of flesh comes around, it god damned weighs.
ascii_butugychag: and was it mircea_popescu who had the article with 'the inescapable kid in school who smells of amoeba'
ascii_butugychag: or what was it
mircea_popescu: "cu miros de euglene" ?
ascii_butugychag: or - at least in several key ways - the untouchables of india.
ascii_butugychag: it's a thing.
assbot: MO-Piftel Cenzurat de Darius Iurca - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NiLYOQ )
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_butugychag
ascii_butugychag: and it was definitely in a mircea_popescu article where i saw 'choose between 'bullying' and life among monsters'
phf: a spent bum is by analogy with доходяга or фитиль
ascii_butugychag: and berkem al atomi (pseudonym) had essay re: same
ascii_butugychag: and phf has it
ascii_butugychag: also черти (devils)
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1376466 << 12 inches is all anyone needs for journalistic purposes
assbot: Logged on 19-01-2016 11:30:27; jurov: lol dat monitor porn. crappy lg with visible burnout spots of backlight tubes here :D
ascii_butugychag: доходяга - 'one who's walked out his walk' - has implications of starvation
ascii_butugychag: so not quite same
ascii_butugychag: BingoBoingo: i don't know anybody who ever gave a fuck how big a display is in inches. pixels are what counts
ascii_butugychag: you can make moar inches optically.
ascii_butugychag: like my grandfather's su tv set with water tank lens.
BingoBoingo: ascii_butugychag: It's the shitty 13XX by 76X so Really 12 inches or less is the only way it does tolerable dpi
jurov: rly? how do i magnify the 27" 5K display to usable 40" ?
ascii_butugychag: jurov: sit closer.
jurov: nah, i'm glad i don't have to
BingoBoingo also the person who likes computer fan noise, because conveys feelings of Power!!!
phf: gets all excited during compilation, fan kick in "yeah, motherfucker, we're ~doing~ shit"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90250 @ 0.0005629 = 50.8017 BTC [-] {4}
BingoBoingo: The secret to surpressing the worse harmonics fan's can produce is running an AM radio in the same room.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 184800 @ 0.00056588 = 104.5746 BTC [+]
jurov: my secret is to vacuum all the fans occassionally
ascii_butugychag: jurov: i clean'em yearly
mircea_popescu: <ascii_butugychag> jurov: sit closer. << nuts, really.
mircea_popescu: !up tomothy
ascii_butugychag: the one thing crapple got right:
ascii_butugychag: i should not ever have to see an individual pixel
ascii_butugychag: or have the display behave in any way other than exactly like a photo enlarger:
ascii_butugychag: to make the text as small as bearable
ascii_butugychag: and increasing res should do nothing but to make the curves smoother.
BingoBoingo: <jurov> my secret is to vacuum all the fans occassionally << yes, also have fans feeding fans fanned air. This done right can lead to powerful rumble sounds from machien
ascii_butugychag: BingoBoingo: this is how you destroy fans
ascii_butugychag: they can't take shear.
BingoBoingo: ascii_butugychag: The rumbling noise actually comes from the baffles. Anyways China always has more fans to ship
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=13-01-2016#1369156 << BingoBoingo should have bough this
jurov: *bought
jurov: !up t
BingoBoingo got some cool noises moving AM radio between dueling transformers
jurov: wtf
mircea_popescu: "A few days after the book was released, readers took the author, the illustrator and the publisher to task online for presenting a sanitized version of the life of Washington’s cook and other enslaved people. “An insulting tale that sprinkles glitter on rape, murder, torture and servitude,” wrote one outraged reviewer."
jurov: !up t
mircea_popescu: ahaha da fuck. i'm sure washington's cook was murdered and raped.
mircea_popescu: what the everloving.
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1376745 << Just woke up I'll leave it to someone else or just let it not be news
assbot: Logged on 19-01-2016 13:50:36; mircea_popescu: lol BingoBoingo ^ plox to or actually...
mircea_popescu: it's lulz not news.
mircea_popescu: somebody got some very bad news yesterday, coped in the manner these schmucks tend to cope.
mircea_popescu: anyone recall our sweat blood and tears friend tom ?
assbot: Booker T. and W.E.B. by Dudley Randall : The Poetry Foundation ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jg164N )
ascii_butugychag: '“It seems to me,” said Booker T., / “It shows a mighty lot of cheek / To study chemistry and Greek / When Mister Charlie needs a hand / To hoe the cotton on his land, / And when Miss Ann looks for a cook, / Why stick your nose inside a book?”'
mircea_popescu: "I'm going back to the frozen north, where the pricks are hard and strong. Back to the land of the all-night stand-where the nights are six months long, where you get it in bits as hard as tin in the land where spunk is spunk - not a trickling stream of lukewarm cream, but a solid frozen chunk."
danielpbarron: ;;later tell mod6 all these big mpoe trades scared away your twatterbot
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: yes!
ascii_butugychag: the insemination of sam mcgee, or what was it
mircea_popescu: story of eskimo nell
mircea_popescu: lol derp stop pmflooding me.
pete_dushenski: "the northern dykes have seen queer sights"
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_butugychag
mircea_popescu: i dunno, laddel sent me a pile of uncleal links and got canned by freenode
ascii_butugychag: iirc mircea_popescu does have the 1377 w4r3z full tarball of al schwartz
ascii_butugychag: and my seal thereof.
ascii_butugychag: i still have the floppies!111
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 184350 @ 0.00056648 = 104.4306 BTC [+] {5}
funkenstein_: "Today, Kraken expands to the United States and Canada and acquires major exchanges Coinsetter and Cavirtex!"
mircea_popescu: haha major ?!
mircea_popescu: !up gabriel_laddel
assbot: Logged on 19-01-2016 18:53:40; ascii_butugychag: iirc mircea_popescu does have the 1377 w4r3z full tarball of al schwartz
mircea_popescu: in other bitcoin network news, "Estimated Confirmation TimeVery Soon (High Priority)" txn waiting for the past half hour to be included.
mircea_popescu: in no small part because in the past 75 minutes we had 3 blocks.
mircea_popescu: ;;nethash
gribble: 862245670.075
mircea_popescu: im kinda starting to believe teh numbers lie.
thestringpuller: hashrate drop.
thestringpuller: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 394050 | Current Difficulty: 1.1335429980147113E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 395135 | Next Difficulty In: 1085 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 5 hours, 36 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
funkenstein_: hashcrash
ascii_butugychag: the minerz are ripe for a powocalypse, good and hard, imho
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1376521 << it's funny, because i AM thrilled to hear that the self-proclaimed "poor slave" dood wearing the fucking rolex submariner on his wrist like it's been there since birth thinks that my new rolex datejust is sub-par. it really cements the theory that while stan is an indentured slave, it's his own choice to be there and the door is open. so ha!
assbot: Logged on 19-01-2016 12:31:52; mircea_popescu: "Why four $800 monitors ? Mostly because I’m not a poorfag" << - >> <asciilifeform> ;;later tell pete_dushenski you ~do~ realize you bought the 'poorfag' non-'colouredge' or 'radiforce' eizos, right ? << lol i'm sure he'll be thrilled to hear.
funkenstein_: lol
funkenstein_: SHArmaggedon
ascii_butugychag: pete_dushenski: if it makes ya feel better, i also run cruddy eizos
assbot: Q for Gregory Maxwell: Would it be within consideration to implement a different PoW hardfork at the same time as Classic's? A: Yes, it would be possible to do that. Candidate code is already written. : btc ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jg2GUl )
gabriel_laddel: "Consider a transistor whose components are themselves transistors, whose components... Electrical engineers desperately woo the third dimension of circuit integration as they pack increasingly denser forests of linearly ordered planar devices onto increasingly larger chips. Perhaps the third dimension need not be height. Perhaps it is one of form, of complexity, of recursive fractal structure wherefrom mystic self-
gabriel_laddel: aware intelligence emerges out of a vortex of telescoping intricacy like Excalibur being thrust through the surface by the Lady of the Lake. " -- http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/intel2.htm
assbot: WHY INTELLIGENCE? ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jg2K6u )
pete_dushenski: ascii_butugychag: actually it does
ascii_butugychag: i get'em used.
ascii_butugychag: one is b&w even
pete_dushenski: aha like doctor
mircea_popescu: not that at this point "classic" is anything but a drunken joke, but anyway
ascii_butugychag: (meant for hospital 'cat scan')
gabriel_laddel: Alright, time to RescueCD.
ascii_butugychag: i paid less for my eizos than most lusers pay for 'dell' at the shop.
funkenstein_: I like this young man cause when he first came out he had the line, he went from asic to classic
pete_dushenski: ascii_butugychag: but you do realise that this is exactly, and i do mean exactly like the guy driving la ferrari snubbing nose at guy driving 488 gtb.
pete_dushenski: or guy living in mega-mega^^^mega-mansion in beverly hills snubbing guy just living in mega-...
pete_dushenski: also in bh
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ hm ?
funkenstein_: from notorious BIG, original was "ashy to classy"
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: i bet ascii_butugychag doesn't even play video games
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
assbot: Logged on 19-01-2016 07:05:41; BingoBoingo: Who knows? Maybe by Child 9 pete acquires a G Wagon for the roads or lack thereof?
assbot: Saddam Hussein's Mercedes-Benz 600 Landaulet Is Amazing And Spooky ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jg3bxF )
ascii_butugychag: what games, on 4 vertical lcd, under gentoo
thestringpuller: Kerbal Space Program would be perfect for that setup
ascii_butugychag: i don't even have 'accelerated' raster.
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: he plays more games than i do. except he plays on dos or w/e
ascii_butugychag: i had a separate box for this, for a while
thestringpuller: leisure suite larry?
ascii_butugychag: playing games was a thing from a much happier time, for asciilifeform
pete_dushenski: waitwut kraken bought coinbase and cavirtex ? i thought kraken did like 10 coins a day in volume. that's like instagram buying facebook.
danielpbarron: you should be able to play eulora on gentoo (i do)
phf: scummvm runs nicely, what else you need
ascii_butugychag: danielpbarron: i don't have 3d rendering
ascii_butugychag: can ~get~ whatever, but it would have to be a separate dedicated box
ascii_butugychag: like the ones i keep for running virii
ascii_butugychag: and there is only so much room.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1376415 << this is particularly funny because girls around here, even "educated" ones, have never even ~heard~ of wetnurses. concept doesn't exist in their minds. can boobfeed yourself ? here, buy this $50/day majick formula. can't afford that ? petition the gov to give it to you for free (true tawk, this actually happened recently for parents who couldn't afford "hypoal
assbot: Logged on 19-01-2016 06:54:03; BingoBoingo: Undoubtably to be unveiled on Contravex with a post title "Meet the Wet Nurses Volume 1: Elin and Gisele"
pete_dushenski: ic formula" or some shit)
danielpbarron: and it's not like playing would take time away from your not sleeping; most things you can automate
ascii_butugychag: trying to avoid the 'nazi submarine' feel of my old flat
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20900 @ 0.00056166 = 11.7387 BTC [-] {3}
danielpbarron: i'm at a diner right now watching my explore bot via ssh terminal on fone
jurov: how? you strem logs?
jurov: *stream
danielpbarron: tail -f
mircea_popescu: <danielpbarron> i'm at a diner right now watching my explore bot via ssh terminal on fone << epic.
danielpbarron: yeah foxybot logs all attempts
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1376523 << at $1.45 cad to usd, what else are they good for ? perhaps kindling but i'll hold off on that for as long as this boiler is working.
assbot: Logged on 19-01-2016 12:33:58; mircea_popescu: http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/P1180684-1024x768.jpg << check it out, he propped them up on bricks of canadian money.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: That's why you get some Swedish gurlz for that
ascii_butugychag: pete_dushenski: you aren't entirely wrong about the ferrari, but you guessed the ~wrong ferrari~
ascii_butugychag: it isn't the hardware
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: aha. like former mrs. woods and mrs. bundchen
ascii_butugychag: but the standalone building without zombies on the grounds thing
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: are there other "elin" and "gisele" that you know of ? that are also for hire ? (nannies or models ?)
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Those names seem common enough
pete_dushenski: tevye having fun with a different type of blackhole than yesterday. log snippet for those curious : http://dpaste.com/2K9AAQ6.txt
pete_dushenski: shutdown and reboot fixed last one, may need to go that route again ?
ascii_butugychag: pete_dushenski: running with malleus ?
ascii_butugychag: and there is no reason to reboot these
ascii_butugychag: (have the thing auto-restart if oomkilled, but beyond this, no point unless you built a new one)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69650 @ 0.00056033 = 39.027 BTC [-] {2}
pete_dushenski: could not have "ERROR: BANNED peer issuing heathen command." neh ?
pete_dushenski: (not from paste, but in logs)
pete_dushenski: ascii_butugychag: i'll just leave it as-is for now. see what happens.
pete_dushenski: 30 blocks behind atm.
pete_dushenski: and nowhere near resource limits
ascii_butugychag: the solution to overloaded and shitflooded trb nodes is... to have 1000x more of'em
ascii_butugychag: how about ~we~ isolate the idiots, for a change.
pete_dushenski: 484.4 MB of 2 GB Used (memory) and 187.71 MB of 2 GB Used (vswap)
ascii_butugychag: instead of the reverse.
mircea_popescu: it's pretty much the "spv" nodes that are the problem.
ascii_butugychag: not exclusively.
mircea_popescu: much like irl it's pretty much the "home nat router" that is the problem.
ascii_butugychag: but yeah, there is a thick layer of them between us and mines.
thestringpuller: the hearnia is removed, the ecological contamination remains
ascii_butugychag: the thing that always bothered me about bitcoin is that miners are basically opportunistic vermin
ascii_butugychag: and a machine that relies on cockroaches in whatever capacity, is what kind of machine.
mircea_popescu: anyway. i've moved my tx fee from 0.0001 (~4 cents) to 0.00022 (bout a dime, give or take).
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: this doesn't measurably lighten load
ascii_butugychag: thinkaboutit
mircea_popescu: this is the first time i changed it since introducing the fucking concept back in 2012 ish.
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag in no way related to peers discussion.
ascii_butugychag: yes, it is ecologically cleaner, ~for other nodes~
PeterL: ascii_butugychag, is there a way to do bitcoin without the miners?
mircea_popescu: just outraged that txn has been waiting for inclusion for an hour now.
ascii_butugychag: PeterL: not as such
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24988 @ 0.00056719 = 14.1729 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: is it high-S again?
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag life on earth relies on cockroaches and vermin generally.
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_butugychag
PeterL: would they be oppourtunistic vermin if there was not a block subsidy (fees only)?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller all versions exist on teh network.
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 16:44:07; ascii_shmoocon: i can think of exactly one: an 'mp-hawala', where mo transacts with the other 17 or so olympians, indeed requires no minerz...
BingoBoingo: ascii_butugychag: Hey, a fallback plan is a fallback plan
mircea_popescu: so in other news, seeing how the next halving happens to more or less coincide with the expected next usg attempt to "save" bitcoin,
mircea_popescu: i imagine we'll be hearing a lot about how, and to quote,
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: 'life on earth' is not an instrument, i don't push buttons on it and expect a timely response
mircea_popescu: "Then knowledgeable people complain that the evil financial network is heading for disaster, that the government sponsored enterprises are about to cause a "collapse of the total financial system", as Wallison and Alan Greenspan complained in 2005, the government debates shrinking the evil government sponsored enterprises, as with "S. 190 [109th]: Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005" but they find
mircea_popescu: easy money too seductive, and S. 190 goes down in flames before a horde of political activists chanting that easy money is sound, and opposing it is racist, nazi, ignorant, and generally hateful, the recent S. 190 debate on limiting portfolios (bond issue supporting dud mortgages) by government sponsored enterprises being a perfect reprise of the debates on limiting the issue of new assignats in the 1790s."
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag neither is bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: your "push button, i matter" mental model is only applicable here inasmuch as you're hypocritical enough to go "i planted tree, and got an apple, therefore am in control" sorta thing.
copypaste: mircea_popescu: i've heard some saying that miners won't "allow" the halving to occur because they would never "vote for" something so against their "best interest"...these people don't understand the social contract behind bitcoin of course, or even that miners don't vote on anything but who gets 25BTC
mircea_popescu: otherwise... no. zero control and no buttons.
mircea_popescu: copypaste no, "these people" who aren't in any sort of sense people are merely laying the ground work for "the next battle", as they perceive the string of endless humiliations and buttrapes they receive.
mircea_popescu: it's kinda funny to me, because the vermin they regard as their progenitors, various "social rights activists" and whatnot benefitted from a context where each defeat made eventual victory more likely.
BingoBoingo: ^ Populist "Hegelianism"
mircea_popescu: the situation here is EXACTLY opposite, but they obviously lack anything other than the zombie drive.
mircea_popescu: braaaaainzzzz
copypaste: as far as i'm concerned at this point any bitcoin hardfork is an altcoin and every softfork is a way to give free coins to miners at some later date
mircea_popescu: so basically the comedy goldmine is really a comedy well.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106543 @ 0.00056032 = 59.6982 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: St. Louis Hegelians | Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZzeUt4 )
mircea_popescu: aand... 7 blocks in the past 2 hours.
BingoBoingo: ;;nethash
gribble: 862572105.607
BingoBoingo: BuBuBuBut, yesterday the derps swore there was a whole exahash!
mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyone find it odd that the best way to "increase thoroughput", which is clean, safe and above all ecological (in that it brings the halvings closer) would actually be to re-set the time between blocks to something like 4-5 minutes ?
mircea_popescu: somehow that's the one hardfork nobody thought to mention.
BingoBoingo: Gavine taked about taking it down to under 2minutes
pete_dushenski: litecoin did 1 min iirc
mircea_popescu: right, usgavin poison pills aside.
pete_dushenski: coblee too
pete_dushenski: "Hey {!firstname_fix}, Happy New Year! We are starting 2016 with some fireworks of our own – Cavirtex (and our parent Coinsetter) is being acquired by Kraken, a premier bitcoin exchange." << from actual e-mail
mircea_popescu: taking it from 6 to 5 not only gives you a cheap 20% boost of thoroughput, but also significantly reduces the "probability to wait 1 hr for txn inclusion". by about 60% or so.
mircea_popescu: because 2 extra blocks in that hour.
copypaste: What is the difference between a "Bitcoin Exchange" and a "Premier Bitcoin Exchange" ?
BingoBoingo: <copypaste> What is the difference between a "Bitcoin Exchange" and a "Premier Bitcoin Exchange" ? << Rectal dialation necessary for delivery
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 378.86, vol: 6810.45777361 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 380.565, vol: 6662.0808 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 380.0, vol: 15968.28702002 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 365.0, vol: 1.39892602 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 382.49584, vol: 39926.59470000 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 387.801999978, vol: 40.67690595 | Volume-weighted last average: 381.382331361
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more. To do so, call this command with that person's nick.
funkenstein_: i guess "premier" wasn't good enough for gribble
copypaste: i for one had never heard of it
copypaste: it trades "litecoins" as well as bitcoins
copypaste: "The best bitcoin exchange is needed for serious and professional bitcoin traders. Bitcoin security must be impeccable. Banking relationships must be sound and reliable. The trading engine must be fast. Order types must be advanced. And profits must be able to be multiplied with Bitcoin margin trading so you can leverage long bitcoin positions or short bitcoin positions." from kraken.com
copypaste: it reads like a scam site. boring
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123550 @ 0.00056225 = 69.466 BTC [+] {3}
pete_dushenski: !up ascii_butugychag
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115600 @ 0.00056721 = 65.5695 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: in other news, teh reddit astroturf brigade has done some studying, and is now quoting [without attribution, of course] what i said last time, but with the persons switched. because yeah, totally, that's how things work o.O
mircea_popescu: saying makes it so!!1
mircea_popescu: "Probably yes. It's the equivalent of a little boy taking his ball and going home because everyone is not playing according to his rules. It's a useless gesture unless there is a factory of fresh asic chips rolling off the production line in anticipation of the new POW and/or there is a large chunk of the Bitcoin economy that is willing to completely abandon the larger block chain.
mircea_popescu: The human incentive to adopt this chain would be incredibly low though as everyone has GregCoins now and any exchange that decides to allow arbitrage between the two chains is going to see huge dumps onto the GregCoin chain which will quickly obliterate the price. Why? Because the very large majority that own Bitcoins want the blocksize to increase. I will also happily flush my GregCoins the instant some stupid schmuck
mircea_popescu: wishes to buy them too ;)."
mircea_popescu: you know, s/gavincoin/gregcoin/". mit-originality!
assbot: Bitcoin Classic, and the future of the /r/BitcoinXT subreddit. : bitcoinxt ... ( http://bit.ly/23cQrOW )
pete_dushenski recalls borrowing 'mit-originality' scheme for 'garzikcoin' aka bip 100
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37350 @ 0.00055889 = 20.8745 BTC [-] {4}
BingoBoingo just thrilled he pulled the trigger on publishing http://qntra.net/2016/01/radeon-refresh-gets-shrink-to-14-nm/
assbot: Radeon Refresh Gets Shrink To 14 nm | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/23cQJ8f )
ascii_butugychag: 'the bitcoin economy' ahahahal0l
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23924 @ 0.00056727 = 13.5714 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: because ?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Might, just might become mining news after its publication
BingoBoingo: Yet even the threat of that becoming mining news is already having a significant effect of the social media shit burbling noises
BingoBoingo: Buttfurry appears to be rolling over and showing its belly.
BingoBoingo: And F2Pool/Discus Fish for all practical purpose appears to be completely impenetrable in their actual intent to the Anglophone
mircea_popescu: they certainly don't mind the bitfury idiots having been idiots.
mircea_popescu: more pie for them.
mircea_popescu: western bois never learn.
mircea_popescu: cuz unique and speshul snowflake and slavery was bad mkay.
BingoBoingo: Just the F2Pool enigma made for some interesting Astroturf for about 36 hours
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, it's 7 blocks in 150 minutes over here.
BingoBoingo: seriously
mircea_popescu: 112 in 1200 and 7 in 150. such luck.
pete_dushenski: in a two week period, not impossible
mircea_popescu: this isn't jus' any two week period.
pete_dushenski: there's that
BingoBoingo: Did CIA accidently some Chinese farms?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 257000 @ 0.00057058 = 146.6391 BTC [+] {5}
ascii_butugychag: BingoBoingo: old-fashioned sabotage, best bang for usg buck
BingoBoingo: An ounce of thermite can castrate substantial captial
ascii_butugychag: expect many 'accidental' fires, floods, locust plagues, at non-toomim mines
mircea_popescu: it is possible. i've been looking for smoke on satpics, nothing showing.
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag in this particular case very much so.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: you won't see smoke, this is not the oil fields of kuwait
ascii_butugychag: most of the damage in such a case is from sprinkler system, even
mircea_popescu: ahahaha. you may overevaluate miners in places.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: even if no fire suppression systems, they ~do~ cool with water
mircea_popescu: actually most miners are aircooled.
ascii_butugychag: that was not my impression re: current cn
ascii_butugychag: but i don't have a mole there.
pete_dushenski: ascii_butugychag: you haven't seen the videos ?
pete_dushenski: was on 'vice' or somesuch
punkman: ;;interval
pete_dushenski: !s vice bitcoin mine
assbot: 0 results for 'vice bitcoin mine' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=vice+bitcoin+mine
gribble: 576.0
punkman: (avg interval in seconds for last 1000 blocks)
pete_dushenski: ;;google site:vice.com bitcoin miner
gribble: Inside the Chinese Bitcoin Mine That's Grossing $1.5M a Month ...: <http://motherboard.vice.com/read/chinas-biggest-secret-bitcoin-mine>; Motherboard | Bitcoin mining | Page 1 | Motherboard: <http://motherboard.vice.com/tag/bitcoin+mining>; µTorrent's Shady Bitcoin-Mining Program Could Blow Up Your ...: <http://motherboard.vice.com/read/torrents-shady-bitcoin-mining-program- (1 more message)
pete_dushenski: first hit
pete_dushenski: punkman: right on target eh
mircea_popescu: 1k blocks is two weeks.
punkman: ;;tblb 1200
gribble: The expected time between blocks taking 20 minutes and 0 seconds to generate is 1 hour, 18 minutes, and 50 seconds
mircea_popescu: ;;tblb 2400
gribble: The expected time between blocks taking 40 minutes and 0 seconds to generate is 11 hours and 54 seconds
mircea_popescu: so something that should happen twice a day on average happened four times past three hours.
punkman: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 4 minutes and 6 seconds
mircea_popescu: o a new one ?
pete_dushenski: !up ascii_butugychag
thestringpuller: today on reddit lulz: https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/41ps56/q_for_gregory_maxwell_would_it_be_within/cz4abxk << "Are you sure a bunch of devs have more coins than Coinbase, Bitpay, the Winklebros, Tim Draper, etc.? Sigh, the delusion of grandeur is strong with Core extremists."
gribble: Time since last block: 15 seconds
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1376607 << heh. isn't kako the guy that went through ~100 fans to find ONE that worked ?
assbot: Logged on 19-01-2016 12:51:39; kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1376546 < get better fans and larger hs - i have done this, cant tell if machine is even running by noise
BingoBoingo: If I recall correctly
punkman: ;;diffchange
gribble: Estimated percent change in difficulty this period | None % based on data since last change | 6.31718 % based on data for last three days
punkman: ;;prevdiffchange
gribble: 9.12007
mircea_popescu lives in a land where he has to run ac anyway. you should hear that thing.
deedbot-: [Qntra] Linux Keyrings Bug Dates Back To 3.8 Kernel - http://qntra.net/2016/01/linux-keyrings-bug-dates-back-to-3-8-kernel/
BingoBoingo: ^ Kinda lulzy
mircea_popescu: gotta say it's pretty impressive how f2pool manages to make 976.5x blocks.
mircea_popescu: they got the leading cramtechnology.
BingoBoingo: Seriously
mircea_popescu: 9999 / 10000
BingoBoingo: I sometimes wonder if F2Pool's English language PR strategy is simply a method to get people to leave them the fuck alone.
mircea_popescu: you're not the only one.
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1377420 << sooo whom do we negrate, whose vpatches get un-vified ?? l0l
assbot: Logged on 19-01-2016 20:38:25; deedbot-: [Qntra] Linux Keyrings Bug Dates Back To 3.8 Kernel - http://qntra.net/2016/01/linux-keyrings-bug-dates-back-to-3-8-kernel/
ascii_butugychag: gotta love this homogeneous mass of 'foss', that 'came from nowhere', written by 'no one'
ascii_butugychag: like buying a briquet of pressed cockroaches at the butcher's.
mircea_popescu: aaand 27.64mb worth of mempool
ascii_butugychag: 'Quoting directly from its manpage, the keyrings facility is primarily a way for drivers to retain or cache security data, authentication keys, encryption keys and other data in the kernel.' << i don't recall asking for this to be a thing.
ascii_butugychag: anybody ?
mircea_popescu: course it was more like 120 earlier
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag im sure it was consensus comunity and all that.
mircea_popescu: innovated.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: trb mempool is 25MB perhaps... up to five minutes after warmup ?
ascii_butugychag: and then into the stratosphere
ascii_butugychag: so turns out mircea_popescu has a mempool garbagecollector, l0l
ascii_butugychag: wish he'd share. even the pseudocode.
BingoBoingo has small mempool thanks to 100kilo satoshi per kb inclusion requirement
mircea_popescu doesn't actually know how this magic worx.
ascii_butugychag: whatever pedagogic point mircea_popescu was trying to make by not giving the answer away, imho is made...
mircea_popescu: but there's only 9006 txn / 28.00 mb worth of mempool atm altogether.
mircea_popescu: da hex do you see ?
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: yeah but in trb that 25MB goes with 500MB of frag gap
mircea_popescu: ah, noboduy's counting actual ram.
ascii_butugychag: ah then ok
mircea_popescu: this is you know, "sum total bytes as if they went into blocks"
mircea_popescu: all from the blockspace perspective.
ascii_butugychag: makes sense.
mircea_popescu: so far my response to THAT problem was... buy moar ram.
mircea_popescu: which is how come i even know people who can digest the concept of stuffing 256gb in a box.
ascii_butugychag: one does run out of holes for it, eventually
mircea_popescu: well we're not there yet.
mircea_popescu: but iirc this was mentioned and discussed a year ago, part and parcel of all the "Scaling" bs is a sheer cluelessness as to what a node actually is / what it does / how it looks.
ascii_butugychag: the other thing is that the operations involved in processing a new tx are O(function of mempool size)
mircea_popescu: there's a few things like that.
ascii_butugychag: n log n for the worst, iirc
ascii_butugychag: from my last analysis
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93136 @ 0.00055831 = 51.9988 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: lol apparently 21co held a "hackathon" paying 400 to the first guy to order pizza with their whatever it is
mircea_popescu: they discovered this can't actually be done.
pete_dushenski: mega-lulz
ascii_butugychag: 400 of what?
ascii_butugychag: gold dubloons ?
pete_dushenski: at least 21 has lightbulbs to see and toasters to toast
mircea_popescu: 400 bux.
mircea_popescu: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/innovations/wp/2016/01/19/r-i-p-bitcoin-its-time-to-move-on/ << this is actually the first fucking time washpo did something useful.
assbot: R.I.P. Bitcoin. It’s time to move on. - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qm7IzY )
mircea_popescu: yes, please : move the fuck on.
mircea_popescu: we want you today just as much as we wanted you back in 2012.
mircea_popescu: "adoption".
pete_dushenski: !up ascii_butugychag
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: 400 bux buys what? one tire for my car? l0l
ascii_butugychag: for 400 ~btc~, i will write it in brainfuck, to run on dead squirrel in cardboard box
mircea_popescu: no dude, you don't understand. 21co. it's not a bitcoin company.\
ascii_butugychag: (as BingoBoingo prolly knows, dead squirrels in shoeboxes run netbsd.)
mircea_popescu: what bitcoin.
BingoBoingo: <ascii_butugychag> mircea_popescu: 400 bux buys what? one tire for my car? l0l << 400 bux could reshoe my entire car. You certainly are spending too much on car bezzle!
BingoBoingo: ascii_butugychag: Dead squirrel is best embedded computing platform
BingoBoingo: Lots of watts of power released in decomposition
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: i thought it was a usg-powered co. and therefore could as easily dispense btc (obtained from prisoners, or toomim) as gold dubloons
mircea_popescu: this is something you keep stating as fact, i keep laughing at, and you keep stating as fact.
mircea_popescu: then when reality contradicts you... i guess will continue, because hey. gotta believe usg is the little shitengine that can.
ascii_butugychag: perhaps mircea_popescu is posting from the future, from among the ruins
mircea_popescu: only thing it could do passibly atm is suck cock, and thats the one thing it's ideologically committed to not doing.
ascii_butugychag: where yes, usg doing anything but fertilizing the grass from underneath is laughable
mircea_popescu: but i guess in time that'll dissolve also.
ascii_butugychag: over here where i live, usg printing press still buys plenty
pete_dushenski: 400 bounty is less than elementary school science fair. seriously.
pete_dushenski: usg is poorer than local community league or something
ascii_butugychag: which is why the 400 thing is a joke
ascii_butugychag: trollbait
ascii_butugychag: do you see nsa putting 400 usd bounty on breaking rsa ?
pete_dushenski: 400 on kim jong un's head maybe
pete_dushenski: so, he lives.
pete_dushenski: so pizza stays unordered.
BingoBoingo: In other news Clitler MS Exchange scandal is escalating. Not just Top Seekrit nao. Special Access, and Compartmented shit nao. Time to count her lizard scales
ascii_butugychag: incidentally, kennedy put $1 on castro's head once
ascii_butugychag: as a deliberate thing
ascii_butugychag: BingoBoingo: link?
assbot: Pizza Hut Gorbachev TV Spot Commercial :60 International version - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PDHVOQ )
BingoBoingo: ascii_butugychag: Just heard on KMOX, no link yet
pete_dushenski: ascii_butugychag: can see why.
BingoBoingo: Seriously AM radio is best RSS feed
mircea_popescu: aaand we're back to 6 blocks in 2 hours levels.
BingoBoingo: Makes no demands on eyes
gribble: Time since last block: 23 minutes and 16 seconds
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: fine for me because i don't think tevye's processing them any faster than that. was stuck on 022 for like 4 hours. now stuck on 029
ascii_butugychag: pete_dushenski: you realize that it isn't actually sitting and verifying the block, right ?
pete_dushenski: yes. it's trying to play submarine in swamp.
pete_dushenski: sans periscope
ascii_butugychag: the evaluator, if you will, is single-threaded.
ascii_butugychag: if it is chewing on crapolade, it is not eating the next valid block.
pete_dushenski: sadly, but persistently, this is the case, yes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 232700 @ 0.00056287 = 130.9798 BTC [+]
assbot: Israeli parents wondered why school trips to Auschwitz cost so much. The answer may be price-fixing. - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1PDIRTr )
pete_dushenski: "Papers that describe harmful effects to animals fed genetically modified (GM) crops are under scrutiny for alleged data manipulation. The leaked findings of an ongoing investigation at the University of Naples in Italy suggest that images in the papers may have been intentionally altered. The leader of the lab that carried out the work there says that there is no substance to this claim. The papers’ findings run c
pete_dushenski: to those of numerous safety tests carried out by food and drug agencies around the world, which indicate that there are no dangers associated with eating GM food." << in still other news, if you don't agree with party line, you're a wrecker. more at 11.
ascii_butugychag: 'The allegations of extrajudicial killings are just the latest problem between Wallstrom and Israel, and they are just one of a number of disputes the Swedish foreign minister has found herself embroiled in since entering office in October 2014. Sweden has been pursuing what has been called a "feminist foreign policy" since then – one that has led to notable diplomatic spats with Morocco
ascii_butugychag: and Saudi Arabia.' << wat
ascii_butugychag: again with 'gm food'
ascii_butugychag: about as interesting a category as 'cryptocurrencies'
pete_dushenski: s/gm/transgenic
pete_dushenski: if it makes you feel better
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 146350 @ 0.00055517 = 81.2491 BTC [-] {3}
ascii_butugychag: it is mendacious framing.
ascii_butugychag: any and every time it is uttered.
assbot: Peter Diamandis Is A Lab Modified Organism | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1PDJfBp )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 212635 @ 0.00054916 = 116.7706 BTC [-] {7}
ascii_butugychag: same issue there
ascii_butugychag: i can't walk into a shop and buy 'gmo food', i can buy crud soaked in monsanto herbicide
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46465 @ 0.00054771 = 25.4493 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: <ascii_butugychag> i can't walk into a shop and buy 'gmo food', i can buy crud soaked in monsanto herbicide << this
ascii_butugychag: to frame the conversation as being particularly 'about genes' is a deliberate and carefully-constructed memetic gambit by monsanto et al
trinque: !up ascii_butugychag
ascii_butugychag: the automatic implication is that, e.g., tasteless tomatoes are a-ok so long as they are ~selectively bred~ for truck endurance rather than 'gmo'-d, for instance
ascii_butugychag: the other thing is that the 'gmo' hysterial supports an entire hipster pseudoindustry of 'organic'
ascii_butugychag: *hysteria
mircea_popescu: so would you be happy if we move on from "genetically engineered" to "monsanto engineered" ?
mircea_popescu: really the objection is the particularly inept "technology" used.
ascii_butugychag: it would not especially matter if they had spiffy and reliable technology.
ascii_butugychag: the ~end~ is evil.
ascii_butugychag: the purpose - cheap food at all costs.
ascii_butugychag: as described in an old mircea_popescu article, it is from ~this premise~ that the other atrocities flow
ascii_butugychag: the premise that 'we need cheaper, above all else, food, so that all may eat'
mircea_popescu: yea well.
mircea_popescu: actually im writing an article that's apropos. brb
ascii_butugychag: in that light monsanto is just a devil conjured up by the premise.
ascii_butugychag: it necessarily appears. if not monsanto, then dow chemical, or somebody else.
BingoBoingo: ADM, etc
pete_dushenski: ascii_butugychag: you live in usistan and ~don't~ buy organic fruits&vegetables ? not that 'usda organic' is much to go on, nor that it's readily distinguishable which of the 35 ~other~ organic brands is meaningful, but none of them are worse than "normal", ie. tasteless tomatoes
ascii_butugychag: pete_dushenski: i sure as fuck buy. but also understand that i am stuck paying for voodoo claptrap at the same time as the reduced poison, you cannot bid for them separately
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 01:38:03; asciilifeform: e.g. there is no 'i don't care if the chicken ate gmo corn but please no antibiotic' shop
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 01:37:31; asciilifeform: the other interesting thing is that the market is segmented in such a way that anyone who doesn't want mcfood ends up paying for ~all~ the alt-crackpotteries, not merely the logical ones
ascii_butugychag: i can buy 'organic' veggies, but it is MANDATORILY in a shop that also sells homeopathic cures.
pete_dushenski: market for rich folks isn't infinitely deep, what.
ascii_butugychag: (except for when the farmer's market is in season)
pete_dushenski: it's like whining that eizo doesn't make 40" vertical monitors with 1mm bezels
pete_dushenski: and 600 dpi. b&w
ascii_butugychag: nah more like whining that one can't get 400 dpi panel except from crapple
ascii_butugychag: which happens to be, afaik, true
pete_dushenski: ascii_butugychag: normal grocery store doesn't sell organic veggies in dc ??!
pete_dushenski: this is sop here. even cut-cost grocers.
ascii_butugychag: pete_dushenski: they sometimes ~claim~ to, and it tastes like shit
pete_dushenski: aha. there's that too, yes.
ascii_butugychag: i'm talking about actual, vs. claimed.
gribble: Time since last block: 37 seconds
ascii_butugychag: this is the other thing, why should i give A FUCK about PROVENANCE
ascii_butugychag: when all i care about is taste and poison - the latter is objectively quantifiable
ascii_butugychag: provenance is a proxy for physical fact
ascii_butugychag: i'm not buying rembrandts
pete_dushenski: what kind of fucking anti-wot thinking is that ?!
pete_dushenski: nihil fit ex nihilo
ascii_butugychag: think about it
ascii_butugychag: if it were possible to 'replicate' a prime grade tomato, for the cost of mains power, would you eat it ?
pete_dushenski: how do you intend to determine lack of poison w/o provenance exactly ?
ascii_butugychag: with a gc/ms ?
ascii_butugychag: perhaps i'll hire PeterL to do it.
ascii_butugychag: iirc he specializes in this.
ascii_butugychag: y'know, what dope aficionados do for dope
ascii_butugychag: take a spectrum.
ascii_butugychag: gc, ms, ir, nmr, etc
pete_dushenski: for every tomato....
ascii_butugychag: who said 'every.'
pete_dushenski: sounds like a make-work project for the slave army you don't have
pete_dushenski: w/o provenance, there is only every.
ascii_butugychag: it would be regardless. because provenance guarantees nothing, the soil in which perfectly traditional tomato grew could have strontium, etc.
ascii_butugychag: and obviously we cannot dispense with provenance. but i must point out that it is a ~proxy~
ascii_butugychag: rather than the thing actually sought after
ascii_butugychag: does this make sense ?
pete_dushenski: looks to me like you're trying to cleave uncleavables
pete_dushenski: like you want organic spherical carrots made in attic
ascii_butugychag: they are only uncleavables because of tech limitations
ascii_butugychag: rather than philosophically.
pete_dushenski: here we go...
ascii_butugychag: if i could grep a tomato, they would be entirely cleavable.
pete_dushenski: like autonomous cars and benevolent robo-lords ?
danielpbarron: what ascii says about food in d.c. is also true in ct. I must go to the stupid hippy store in which most of the aisles are full of overpriced overhyped nonsense just to get the meat and veggies that actually taste alright and aren't poisoned. At least these hippy stores are frequented by the yoga pants wearing chicks though. The megastores are full of fat zombies; I'd pay extra just to not have to shop around them
jurov: there is no economic incentive for your food controllers not to cheat
ascii_butugychag: i happen to see reasoning about items glued together by happenstance as if they were intrinsically the same, as lame.
pete_dushenski: it's physical reality. it's what it is
pete_dushenski: yes, it has limitations. what of it.
ascii_butugychag: pete_dushenski: it is my particular profession to make cuts in it.
pete_dushenski: this isn't software that you just punch a few letters and delete a few lines and voila, new physical reality
jurov: ascii_butugychag: you need food controllers in your wot.. and then simpler to have producers directly
ascii_butugychag: pete_dushenski: i don't personally 'gm'. at least, not any more.
jurov: how is this solvable by tech?
BingoBoingo: What, yall can't jsut tear up a chunk of yard and toss some seeds on the ground?
ascii_butugychag: jurov: detecting some of the more common adulterants is not hard at all
ascii_butugychag: that you cannot buy a ready instrument for this at the local hardware shop, is a political phenomenon
ascii_butugychag: vs engineering limit
jurov: missing nutrients are equally as big problem as adulterants
jurov: now go try to ennumerate all of them
ascii_butugychag: that's sorta what your mouth is for
ascii_butugychag: it - ordinarily - works.
pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: yoga pants chicks are in both kinds of stores here, but i guess our "normal" grocery stores in alberta are fucking deeeelux in 99.999% of the world. the hippie stores here aren't so bad but their staffs are beyond useless and the sanitation is definitely sub-par.
ascii_butugychag: pete_dushenski: try to understand the perspective of inventor. for x,xxx years churchmen prattled on about sex and reproduciton 'cannot cut apart'. and now they can go get stuffed.
pete_dushenski: save-on-foods by my place is like the fucking kadewe in berlin
ascii_butugychag: the whole point of engineering is to cut apart the happenstance-linked crud from what you actually want.
jurov: ascii_butugychag: but your tech solution stems from not having to taste everything, or?
jurov: and if you can't detect adulterants, why do you think you can detect all nutrients?
jurov: by taste
BingoBoingo: ;;nethash
gribble: 852928469.657
thestringpuller: "Like your father, you lack the courage to do all that is necessary. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them, and stab them in the heart." << srsly Nolan had some good writing in that movie.
ascii_butugychag: jurov: it's a start.
pete_dushenski: ascii_butugychag: inventor made domes and pills, yes, but 'rhythm method' ?
pete_dushenski: not that 'rhythm method' is anywhere near perfect, but better than 'always is a good time'
ascii_butugychag: aha the 'don't do it when actually horny' method
ascii_butugychag: mega-tech.
assbot: Logged on 19-01-2016 21:42:41; ascii_butugychag: i'm not buying rembrandts
mircea_popescu: come to think of it, for women, too.
mircea_popescu: no matter how she looks, ceteris paribus an usian girl is worth less than a russian girl.
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_butugychag
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: but it is because of the cockroaches in her head
ascii_butugychag: rather than the mere fact of which continent.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1377599 << this is rank nonsense. "list all the things that aren't in this box"
assbot: Logged on 19-01-2016 21:43:56; ascii_butugychag: perhaps i'll hire PeterL to do it.
mircea_popescu: you can't even list them, you're gonna test for them too ?
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: fortunately the question is never about the set of ~all possible~ things
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag even if grown exactly the same in every way, which is what ceteris paribus means
ascii_butugychag: but specific persilences
ascii_butugychag: *pestilences
mircea_popescu: not specific, is the problem.
mircea_popescu: 1940 list wouldn't include thaliomide.
ascii_butugychag: was speaking of produce
mircea_popescu: they recently discovered that it's quite likely alzheimer's is a prion based infectious disease,
mircea_popescu: spread of all things through root canals
mircea_popescu: (the tools aren't disinfected to that standard)
ascii_butugychag: uncle al had a piece on this
mircea_popescu: so... you don't know.
ascii_butugychag: circa 1990s
danielpbarron has never had a cavity or tooth pulled :D
ascii_butugychag: but yes, discussion was ~specifically~ re: known adulterants
mircea_popescu: i'd take provenance over "known list"
mircea_popescu: because i know a lot more about a clean spot than you';ll know about your list.
mircea_popescu: "my folk lived here 2400 years"
mircea_popescu: beat that.
ascii_butugychag: i can think of a few very gamma-backgroundy places where 'my folk lived 2400 y'
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the argument is made. now it's a matter of quantification.
jurov: ascii_butugychag: do you approach this way the software you're going to use too? just check for known adulterants?
ascii_butugychag: jurov: that would be hilariously stupid ?
jurov: same with food
deedbot-: [Trilema] That's right, time to move on. Please do. Bitcoin is really not for you. - http://trilema.com/2016/thats-right-time-to-move-on-please-do-bitcoin-is-really-not-for-you/
ascii_butugychag: seems like nobody grasped the actual point i was trying to make - where the provenance is a means to an end (clean tomato) rather than the end
ascii_butugychag: but i can't think of any reason why anyone should give a fuck re: the difference presently, so count me as sold
mircea_popescu: <ascii_butugychag> jurov: that would be hilariously stupid ? << loller.
jurov: i did grasp it but, that's why i asked about software
mircea_popescu: but alfie! MITIGATITS!
ascii_butugychag: thing is, ascertaining anything useful about software is undecidable
jurov: same with food, again
mircea_popescu: you think too highly of chem analytics. also undecidable.
ascii_butugychag: depends, again, what you're looking for (specific item, or general toxicology - which ~is~ undecidable)
mircea_popescu: are you looking for working software or merely software that never croaks on like 666 ?
ascii_butugychag: i once tried to get a few american biochemists interested in a portable tox panel for mushrooms
mircea_popescu: on line *
ascii_butugychag: idea went, unsurprisingly, nowhere
mircea_popescu: what american goes shrooming ?
mircea_popescu: old women where the fall colors are pretty do.
ascii_butugychag: and the only folks who'd show up would be the predatory lawyers
mircea_popescu: they... also know the shrooms.
ascii_butugychag: waiting for an erring sapper
pete_dushenski: http://samuelrpatterson.com/line-by-line-response-to-wapo-r-i-p-bitcoin-article/ << like a redditardo version of latest trilema. lulzy to compare the two.
assbot: Line by Line Response to WaPo “R.I.P. Bitcoin” Article | Samuel R. Patterson ... ( http://bit.ly/1T2iXye )
mircea_popescu: who's the guy ?
pete_dushenski: "I’m a husband and father of three living in Virginia. I’m an author and tech enthusiast. Most of my passion is dedicated to Bitcoin and other emerging technologies that have the potential to dramatically improve people’s lives." << website lists pgp key too. self-hosted an everythin
pete_dushenski: though, "Version: GnuPG v2.0.21-beta20 (MingW32)"
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> what american goes shrooming ? << Plenty. How else does one get Morels???
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski so mebbe invite him over.
mircea_popescu: at least guy's tryin'...
pete_dushenski: totally.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32450 @ 0.00056016 = 18.1772 BTC [+] {3}
ascii_butugychag: MingW32 << l0l!!
mircea_popescu: every time i see that i think "wh othe fuck would use gw-basic"
mircea_popescu: then head goes "no mp, that's a different unusable contondent item\"
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: s/plain/plane
ascii_butugychag: or hm, nm, i hallucinated it
phf: probably not a manual build, just stock gnupg win32 builds are done with ming?
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu> what american goes shrooming ? << high-seekers and they call it "hunting" i think
mircea_popescu: oh that.
mircea_popescu: myeah. k
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag huh ?!
mircea_popescu: ah ok. i was about to scream @editor for missing one AGAIN. but no!
mircea_popescu: i was scammed!
pete_dushenski: go figure that mingw32 key block ~doesn't import~. ferfuxsake.
danielpbarron: i used to hang out on the shroomery irc server; even met some of them in person
pete_dushenski: key block hosted at mit, does.
phf: pete_dushenski: copy paste from that site imports just fine
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49820 @ 0.00056078 = 27.9381 BTC [+] {2}
pete_dushenski: phf: weird. anyways, invite sent.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "Radeon Refresh Gets Shrink To 14 nm" < don't you mean shrunk ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: "Shrink" is a noun in this context
BingoBoingo: <danielpbarron> mircea_popescu> what american goes shrooming ? << high-seekers and they call it "hunting" i think << But also people who want to eat delicious morels
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "the toomim clown received some bad news, with which he coped in the usual manner : by having a rather amusing public meltdown under the influence." << what are you referencing here? Can't seem to find reference in logs
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller it's in the comment section of the linked article. adlai linked the dpaste iirc here.
mircea_popescu: !up toffoo
mats: http://deedbot.org/deed-393913-1.txt << says 'January the 18th 2014,\nBitcoin blockchain # 393903'
pete_dushenski: is it just me or is the new trilema header just a big black hole ?
mircea_popescu: " To show our appreciation, Bitcoin Classic is announcing the Adopt-A-Developer program. The community can sponsor their favorite Bitcoin developers at our website. "
mircea_popescu: what is this inept bs! "to show our appreciation for other people, you can now buy our shit!"
pete_dushenski: mats: it's in the logs
mircea_popescu: mats i added one the wrong way!
mircea_popescu has spent his time teaching womenz to cook salmon right, and french fries, and also crimp cables and so on. for this /me gets to sit here and enjoy the view.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51320 @ 0.00055437 = 28.4503 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: lyf is swyt.
BingoBoingo: "p2phash [10:04 PM] got to be a bot." << lol, this is why bongs get people busted or USG-Agentified
thestringpuller: poor tommy chong. although he was treated very well in prison
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1377629 << i am now growing lovage. by all signs, thisis the first time the deliciouys weed made it to argentina.
assbot: Logged on 19-01-2016 21:52:02; BingoBoingo: What, yall can't jsut tear up a chunk of yard and toss some seeds on the ground?
mircea_popescu: no idea how zee germans lived without.
BingoBoingo: Seriously
BingoBoingo: And actual tomatoes never travel well, which ought to drive growing one's own
assbot: Logged on 19-01-2016 21:55:12; ascii_butugychag: pete_dushenski: try to understand the perspective of inventor. for x,xxx years churchmen prattled on about sex and reproduciton 'cannot cut apart'. and now they can go get stuffed.
BingoBoingo supposes it is masochism that keeps alf trading web dev in enjoyable real food pickup truck US and instead suffering east coast living to do not so brain killing mathsmaths
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_butugychag
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: this is gold.
ascii_butugychag: BingoBoingo: wai wut
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1377762 << it is how i see the role of the inventor. sex ad libitum goes with horde of offsprint, ~until doesn't~; being 50 goes with no longer able to read, until it doesn't; night goes with can't-make-the-slaves-work, until doesn't; etc
assbot: Logged on 19-01-2016 22:59:56; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1377638 << you pick examples close to our heart.
mircea_popescu: !up SamPatt
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132403 @ 0.00056131 = 74.3191 BTC [+] {4}
BingoBoingo: ascii_butugychag: Earlier this week rando company in trenton, IL was advertising php developer job@75k in buy house for 50kilodollar country
ascii_butugychag: BingoBoingo: you understand that it also goes with fungibility, right ?
pete_dushenski: o hey SamPatt
mircea_popescu: i'd ALMOST pay that much to make alf php
SamPatt: hello pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: SamPatt: thanks for accepting the invitation :)
SamPatt: Thanks for the invite
BingoBoingo: ascii_butugychag: Fungability for people willing to both PHP and pickup truck country, still job appears filled
ascii_butugychag: BingoBoingo: aha, of course filled !
mircea_popescu: SamPatt ah you the guy with a blog and a proper pgp key on it ?
ascii_butugychag: today with mr. today, tomorrow with mr. tomorrow, etc
BingoBoingo: Was on Dice.com at "Jim's Formal Wear"
mircea_popescu: this should be a sketch.
SamPatt: Yes, "proper key" I see my Win32 wasn't terribly impressive to some, haha
SamPatt: I've been on quite the learning curve the past few years.
pete_dushenski: heh we have some, how shall we call them, purists in the room.
pete_dushenski: SamPatt: had you heard of #b-a before today ?
SamPatt: Well I've gone a bit down the rabbit hole myself after being involved more in Bitcoin and OpenBazaar
SamPatt: No I haven't
mircea_popescu: now ima have to go read this guy's article.
mircea_popescu: i blame pete.
thestringpuller: wtf is this Slack shit.
thestringpuller: IRC wasn't good enough so they rebranded it with CSS and flashy stuff for the ADHD children?!?!?
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: i think ben uses it but i have nfi
SamPatt: What's the goal of this channel?
thestringpuller: to take over the world
pete_dushenski: SamPatt: quite simply, this is where bitcoin policy is set
mircea_popescu: "Vivek Wadhwa is an American technology entrepreneur and academic.[2] He is a fellow at the Rock Center for Corporate Governance (a joint initiative of Stanford Law School and Stanford Graduate School of Business); A Distinguished Fellow of Policy & Research at Singularity University; the Director of Research at the Center for Entrepreneurship and Research Commercialization at the Pratt School of Engineering, Duke Univ
mircea_popescu: ersity;[3] and the author of the 2014 book Innovating Women: The Changing Face of Technology.[4][5]"
mircea_popescu: check it out, another one!
ascii_butugychag: a thiel catamite, a whole one, no less
assbot: Logged on 19-01-2016 23:08:41; thestringpuller: IRC wasn't good enough so they rebranded it with CSS and flashy stuff for the ADHD children?!?!?
mircea_popescu: SamPatt "Fighting for survival means that Bitcoin is nearing collapse. It may not survive if people don’t keep fighting for it. This is a strong claim; let’s see if he follows this up with any evidence." << a more important point would be... fighting with WHOM ?
mircea_popescu: "It is true that a prominent member of the Bitcoin community quit, leading to a 10% drop in Bitcoin price. " << quite untrue. why not propose that random derp nobody took seriously quitting lead to the turmoil on chinese stock market ?
mircea_popescu: maybe it was all because of hearn!!1
pete_dushenski: SamPatt: aside from that, #b-a is a forum for news, debate, development, and light lulz.
SamPatt: Yes, it's a good point. He's not clear about who is fighting, about what, or why.
SamPatt: I didn't want to make it a "Is Hearn a core dev or not?" blog post, but just gave him the point on that. I do later say it's a non-event, because in the grand scheme I agree it wasn't important.
mircea_popescu: "Who are these anarchists and what are they doing? " << oho.
SamPatt: haha
SamPatt chuckles
mircea_popescu: !s insurection
assbot: 5 results for 'insurection' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=insurection
mircea_popescu: o, 5, not even that bad.
BingoBoingo: !s Oregon Liberation
assbot: 2 results for 'Oregon Liberation' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Oregon+Liberation
mircea_popescu: SamPatt "Bitcoin isn’t a ponzi scheme by any stretch of the imagination. Ponzi schemes are fraud; there is no real investment taking place. Bitcoin is a real thing, used around the world constantly." << this makes no sense.
mircea_popescu: stamps are also "a real thing". original ponzi was a stamps deal.
SamPatt: Ponzi schemes are just fraud, there's nothing of value being done. What I'm trying to get across is that with Bitcoin something of value is actually happening (transactions).
mircea_popescu: anyway, you have more patience than i do, the nth bhagwan chowdhry is really no different from the n-1th
mircea_popescu: SamPatt transactions also happened with the original ponzi.
SamPatt: Only transactions relating to the scheme, correct? Perhaps I'm not familiar with the original scheme itself, but as Ponzi scheme is regularly defined today it's just taking in new money to give returns to older players. There's no transactions occurring except to continue this fraud.
mircea_popescu: but those are in point of fact transactions.
mircea_popescu: you know the excellent "Color of bits" essay ?
SamPatt: Unless he's proposing that all Bitcoin transactions are only being done to perpetuate further fraud then it's not a ponzi. Since I use Bitcoin for transactions that are for other purposes, it's clearly not ponzi
copypaste: who is arguing that it is in here?
copypaste: or are you just arguing against some strawman opponent SamPatt ?
cazalla: thestringpuller, stay up all night chatting together? sounds gay! :P
copypaste: I prefer having my chats in groups of 3.
SamPatt: Just talking to mircea_popescu
thestringpuller: cazalla: LOL! "Nigga u gay."
mircea_popescu: but you can't distinguish transaction from transaction. what know you of its meaning ?
mircea_popescu: (in the other view : all currency is always and necessarily a ponzi scheme. and "fraudulent" in a sense.)
mircea_popescu: arguing with some idiot that said "bitcoin is a ponzi scheme" is a waste of time. the relevant point is that Bitcoin is less of a ponzi scheme than the us dollar is.
cazalla: asciilifeform, pete_dushenski aren't those eizo ev2455 eye strain city with a 60hz refresh rate? prefer 120hz/144hz master race here
pete_dushenski: not at all.
cazalla: ignoring gaming, figured you'd see tearing when scrolling
pete_dushenski: i must scroll too slow. i ~am~ a bit of a turtle.
pete_dushenski: !up buZz
buZz: hi :)
copypaste: cazalla: "smooth scrolling" is an abomination
pete_dushenski: buZz: howdy. and who might you be ?
buZz: i am me
cazalla: copypaste, why so? it annoys me and hurts muh eyes
copypaste: i think you answered your own question just now, no ?
buZz: just weirdly found #bitcoin-assets logs in a images.google search on 'zipit z2 size comparison'
buZz: this channel is the source of the first pr0n in that image search
cazalla: copypaste, how so? i see the tearing on anything less than 120hz, still can see it on 120hz but isn't as noticable
pete_dushenski: buZz: bwahahaha. that's awesome.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron here's a lulzy bit : all these schmucks worried about "scaling bitcoin" could, for the price of a gpg key, make themselves an eulora account. trade bitcoin with everyone instantly for free!
copypaste: ah ha, but tearing shouldn't be seen without smooth scrolling
mircea_popescu: derps not looking for solutions, looking for handouts.
buZz: and lo and behold
buZz: 16:12:13asciilifeform:punkman, jurov: i have a similar device, 'zipit'
buZz: 16:12:50asciilifeform:http://linux.zipitwireless.com
cazalla: copypaste, i'm probably using the wrong word (smooth scrolling) to say what i mean
punkman: buZz: lol
mircea_popescu: lol win. she's got nice tits anyway.
trinque: cazalla: v-sync prolly
cazalla: trinque, nah, it's off
buZz: ^_^ i just bought one just looking around
mircea_popescu: sluts drive conversion, who knew!
buZz: i can use another channel to idle in, do you mind?
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'ma bbl.
mircea_popescu: no buZz. if you want to be able to voice register your pgp key with assbot.
mircea_popescu: otherwise idling is free.
shinohai: ;;ticker --market all
buZz: why no btc key
punkman: !s zipit
assbot: 4 results for 'zipit' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=zipit
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 379.3, vol: 6904.79940242 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 382.9, vol: 6111.80364 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 379.81, vol: 16726.88525177 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 370.0, vol: 0.88964263 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 386.967905, vol: 39030.35780000 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 390.470578175, vol: 74.43725755 | Volume-weighted last average: 384.102345467
buZz: lol cpumining sha256 :)
danielpbarron: can't encrypt messages to a btc key
buZz: danielpbarron: yeah you can
buZz: oh
buZz: wait, no
punkman: can't encrypt to btc address
buZz: only sign
punkman: you can encrypt to key
buZz: but its about authentication right, so even with signature i could proof i am me for i have this address
danielpbarron: and also because not everything needs to be the same thing, and also simply because.
buZz: :)
danielpbarron: it's way easier to authenticate via decryption
pete_dushenski: !up SamPatt
buZz: i like how bitcoin has all these clusters of people, with all very different societal structures and narratives
buZz: i'll stay pgpless, do as you wish ;)
assbot: A Guide To Buying 5000 Ether/Bitcoin, 2.5x More Than Ethereum’s Genesis Sale Offers | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1lsTnER )
punkman: buZz: why don't you like pgp?
danielpbarron: buZz, s'ok you need to lurk for 6 months anyway; by the end of that you'll either have left or have a key
buZz: punkman: i just dont like to change routine
thestringpuller: slack is so shitty. the logging is completely ineffective. oh and they want you to pay for extra logs? i can't even...
shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1377901 <<< Ethereum supporters are just plain insufferable.
punkman: /me hopes for "P" in 6 months
pete_dushenski: shinohai: pretty much
pete_dushenski: punkman: do you add a space before '/me' or is your irc client b0rked ?
punkman: I don't
gernika: thestringpuller: I can't fathom slack. There are already a ton of manager friendly centralized IRC services out there.
trinque: /fix punkman
punkman: I have a suggestion for an irc-bootstrap replacement in TRB. UDP torrent tracker announce, only takes a couple UDP packets, code's pretty simple. Recent client was using this in a small app, kinda cool.
linton_s_dawson: I'm looking to research the "v" thing you've bee talking about but searching for the letter "v" in the logs is obviously not working that well. Can anyone point me in the right direction?
thestringpuller: linton_s_dawson: the mailing list
punkman: yes, good point about single character naming of projects
danielpbarron: linton_s_dawson, http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/the_real_bitcoin << the instructions here involve using V, and you'll also end up with a working bitcoind
assbot: the_real_bitcoin [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/238YcVW )
linton_s_dawson: I'll read up on that now, thanks. Also, interesting to see you support (or at least are not against) a new PoW that will destroy most miners.
assbot: M Toomim gets high, harasses developers on chat likely violating Heretic Client "code of conduct" : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1RyEeQs )
jurov: linton_s_dawson: it's kinda obvious since miners don't come here...
deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] A eulogy : Mike Hearn (2013-16) - http://www.contravex.com/2016/01/19/a-eulogy-mike-hearn-2013-16/
pete_dushenski: and with that, ima take my leave. cheers !
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shinohai: These adorable little coke straws: http://i.imgur.com/wzKHCJ1.jpg
BingoBoingo: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/41ge93/bitcoin_classic_is_possibly_a_takeover_attempt_by/cz2c58a >> "Thirdly, the guy is massively obese. Now, as the sophisticated redditor you presume yourself to be, you may claim that I'm using ad-hominem attacks and will now sit back as if you were a learned professor of Latin, but please consider that anyone as grossly obese as Marshall Long is lacking in self-discipline and self-con
assbot: marshmellow_long comments on Bitcoin Classic is possibly a Takeover Attempt by Cryptsy and Marshall Long of FinalHash to dump Worthless Coins on Depositers ... ( http://bit.ly/1RyFSBP )
BingoBoingo: trol which just happen to be 2 qualities crucial to being a sound businessman."
BingoBoingo: "They have opted to open a GoFundMe to help fatties get scooters like the one Elizabeth loved so much." >> http://notyourgoodfatty.com/naafa-fat-activist-dies-at-the-age-of-55/
assbot: NAAFA fat activist dies at the age of 55 - NotYourGoodFatty.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZzO2sI )
BingoBoingo: Oh, in reddit land Raping the Fugees is fine, but hating on Hamplanets isn't https://www.reddit.com/r/rapefugees
assbot: Rapefugees NOT welcome! ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZzOurb )
shinohai: dafuq is a "Fat Activist"
trinque: certainly not an active fat person
BingoBoingo: Seriously though short Tesla and invest in Rascal scooty puffs
punkman: "A friend once asked me to watch a video with her that she was going to display on her computer using Netflix. I declined, saying that Netflix was such an affront to freedom that I could not be party to its use under any circumstances whatsoever." -- RMS
cazalla: punkman, sounds like george constanza and not liking coffee
punkman: the hard life of the RMS groupie
asciilifeform: y'know, if folks had listened to rms, we might still have actual computers.
asciilifeform: (not that it was remotely conceivable that they would have listened, aha)
BingoBoingo: But "Netflix and chill" is the new "come in for coffee"
punkman: asciilifeform: the *right* folks
punkman: btw does Lemote still make any hardware that don't need blobs?
asciilifeform: it makes ~something~ but it is unobtainable outside cn
asciilifeform: also it switched to using licensed chip masks from the west, a few years back
asciilifeform: which is when i lost what remaining interest i had.
asciilifeform: as for rms, his lemote was stolen, in buenos aires, and - afaik - he was never able to purchase another.
asciilifeform: the thing is a mega-rarity, 'collectible' perhaps at this point, if you come across one, leave it in the crate, sell for $$$$
asciilifeform: fwiw, AMD's G-series chipset will run without blobs.
asciilifeform: (their 'coreboot' aka linuxbios is distributed with binary turds, BUT the source for them is also included, you just need to set up their weird toolchain)
BingoBoingo: !up drnet
mod6: <+danielpbarron> ;;later tell mod6 all these big mpoe trades scared away your twatterbot << thanks for the heads up
punkman: https://libreboot.org/faq/#amd libreboot faq is handy
assbot: Answers to Frequently Asked Questions about libreboot ... ( http://bit.ly/23dppqG )
gernika: asciilifeform: does the term "human compiler" reference lisp specifically, in that with lisp you can write code that writes code, thus if you're not using lisp, you're writing code that could have been written by a computer, and are thus "compiling?"
gernika: also for this question, lisp=common lisp
punkman: asciilifeform: any devices with AMD G-series?
asciilifeform: punkman: the pcengines box (at least the ones i have)
asciilifeform: possibly other 'low-end' amd
asciilifeform: but, importantly,
asciilifeform: not for long.
asciilifeform: that much is obvious.
asciilifeform: according to the libreboot link, amd has fully caught up with intel in re: usgtronics.
asciilifeform: gernika: very generally, but yes
asciilifeform: gotta love how the coreboot folks pretend that they are somehow still relevant by way of supporting a handful of unobtainable chips
asciilifeform: (srsly, powerpc !?!!)
assbot: Gizmo 2 | GizmoSphere ... ( http://bit.ly/1n8AbNG )
asciilifeform: punkman: same chipset as in pcengines
asciilifeform: i have a 'gizmo 1'
asciilifeform: these also appeared in some low-end notebooks
punkman: why doesn't libreboot support any g-series?
asciilifeform: iirc it is a 'stable' fork of coreboot
punkman: nah, the difference is they don't allow any blobs
asciilifeform: fwiw the pcengines boards and the 'gizmo' series don't even ship with proprietary bios at all
punkman: maybe nobody's done it yet
asciilifeform: punkman: the g-series coreboot i have here has 'blobs' per the strictest definition, they are - iirc - modify but don't redistribute - licensed by amd
asciilifeform: but came with the src.
asciilifeform: and also they concern acpi, which can be safely ditched if running a sane os
punkman: now if only I could get g-series with ECC I'd be very happy
asciilifeform: punkman: no such thing offered afaik.
asciilifeform: at any rate, i cannot recommend any presently-manufactured x86 chipset except as a 'lesser evil'
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asciilifeform: x86 is and was a turd, per se
asciilifeform: partly because it is a catastrophically braindamaged design,
asciilifeform: but partly also because:
asciilifeform: where herd, there turd.
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cazalla: added asciilifeform pub key to my .wot and the keyring on this comp, but http://dpaste.com/1D702ZQ.txt
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-11-2015#1317490 << What did you mean by this?
trinque: cazalla: I recall expired key drama in zee logz; iirc asciilifeform has his actual key hosted on loper-os.org
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: it is explained in agonizing detail in the logz
asciilifeform: cazalla: where did you get the key ?
asciilifeform: if it is from the original v tarball, that key has an expired selfsig.
cazalla: pgp.mit.edu
asciilifeform: plz get new key from btcalpha or from my site (same modulus, new selfsig)
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu ever see film http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2375605 ?
assbot: The Act of Killing (2012) - IMDb ... ( http://bit.ly/1n8BeNV )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski, other rare film aficionados ^
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i ask cause the thread is disjointed. as you once said before !s doesn't show the entire picture
trinque: asciilifeform: hell of a docu
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mircea_popescu: "With that guy you never know if he has some bizarre reason to believe it's currently 2014 and we're all idiots."
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha win.
mircea_popescu: reddit doth deliver.
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assbot: Logged on 19-01-2016 23:36:09; buZz: i like how bitcoin has all these clusters of people, with all very different societal structures and narratives
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1377917 << not a bad incremental improvement but i suspect that whole stack is so thoroughly hated it will get thrown out rather than improved.
assbot: Logged on 19-01-2016 23:48:49; punkman: I have a suggestion for an irc-bootstrap replacement in TRB. UDP torrent tracker announce, only takes a couple UDP packets, code's pretty simple. Recent client was using this in a small app, kinda cool.
mircea_popescu: linton_s_dawson http://trilema.com/2016/the-v-manual-genesis/ << there's an attempt at a manual. you could also search for vtron and v-tron, alf tens to use it a lot. the mailing list is also a good source.
assbot: The V Manual Genesis on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NgC7ZS )
punkman: mircea_popescu: which stack?
mircea_popescu: the irc bit.
punkman: it's already out
mircea_popescu: a it is isn't it. yeah.
assbot: Logged on 20-01-2016 00:41:03; cazalla: punkman, sounds like george constanza and not liking coffee
punkman: I'll post a python POC to the ml perhaps, could just run it before you start the node and it gives you a bunch of IPs to -addnode or -connect to
mircea_popescu: maybe someone wants to use it, sure.
thestringpuller: pretty sure constanza got mad pussy yo
linton_s_dawson: mircea_popescu Thanks, I'll sign up for the mailing list as well.
mircea_popescu: you can also read it online. there's a link off ofundation website
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1377917 << i must point out that the whole 'seeding' concept - as contemplated in the dark ages pre-trb client - is profoundly braindamaged.
assbot: Logged on 19-01-2016 23:48:49; punkman: I have a suggestion for an irc-bootstrap replacement in TRB. UDP torrent tracker announce, only takes a couple UDP packets, code's pretty simple. Recent client was using this in a small app, kinda cool.
asciilifeform: it is entirely, thoroughly The Wrong Thing
asciilifeform: and is responsible for many of the present woes.
punkman: suppose I have two dozen nodes on dynamic IP
asciilifeform: the ~correct~ behaviour for a node is to service a hand-picked set of trusted peers
asciilifeform: AND OPTIONALLY - as resources are available - folks who knock on the door.
asciilifeform: IN THAT ORDER.
asciilifeform: and never otherwise.
punkman: I can give you a secret phrase, which if hashed and used as torrent infohash, allows you to get my current IPs from torrent tracker
asciilifeform: why do we need the motherfucking middleman ?!!!!!
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asciilifeform: so i will review, for the benefit of non-panzers, the current state
asciilifeform: presently trb does not have this sane behaviour
asciilifeform: it can run in one of two modes, '-connect' where it services a fixed list of peers, AND NOBODY ELSE (no incoming tcp)
asciilifeform: or '-addnode' where it takes a list of peers but 'as mere suggestions' and will happily drop'em, and connect to random derps
asciilifeform: the first mode can be disregarded as it does not result in a public node. it is useful for running hotwallets on your own lan, for running mircea_popescu-style 'dark' nodes over ad hoc vpn with kim jong il, etc.
asciilifeform: the second mode is what all of my trb boxen are set to, and it results in a comedy where the thing routinely drops friends on the floor and dallies about attempting to connect to randomly-selected derp ips
mircea_popescu: prolly next to fix huh
mircea_popescu: tho it's tangled with the whole mempool priority thing
ben_vulpes: tangled how?
asciilifeform: not really, no
mircea_popescu: how do you know how to value "others"
asciilifeform: they rank STRICTLY below hand-picked peers.
mircea_popescu: among themselves i mean.
asciilifeform: i am contemplating a strictly 2-tiered hierarchy here.
mircea_popescu: and how much is "strictly" in integers
mircea_popescu: seems to me if gonna do it might as well do it once, but anyway.
asciilifeform: 'strictly' means that door-knockers get serviced ONLY when friends are idle.
asciilifeform: i've held off attempting to do anything about this because 'usg can diddle packets arbitrarily, we need gossipd' but there is no particular logic to this.
mircea_popescu: this will never occur.
mircea_popescu: think of how the mempool flows
asciilifeform: gotta quantize the processing.
asciilifeform: i.e. meter resource consumption per peer.
asciilifeform: stray dogs ought to get the crumbs off the table.
thestringpuller: looks like trb will have gossipd support?
asciilifeform: what was the mircea_popescu piece, 'carnita, lu' fetita, si osoiul, lu' baboiul'
asciilifeform: (ro dante ?)
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: the everybody-is-equal thing is not sustainable
asciilifeform: it has been kept up long past expiration date as it is
assbot: Taraf de Haïdouks - "Clejani Love Song" - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/23dxlYY )
thestringpuller: is there no manual approach for this process yet? i.e. people sign/deed node ip address. you use -connect flag
asciilifeform: and i dare say that this will become more apparent as 'axe time, sword time' carries on
thestringpuller: -connect/-addnode should make those peers the priority first and drop other nodes second
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: we don't currently have anything like a scheduler
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ayup
assbot: Carnita... on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/23dxvzi )
asciilifeform: but going back up the stack, i want to highlight how retarded the whole seed pool thing is
asciilifeform: what a monument to eeeekvaaaaaality
thestringpuller: does scheduler require gossipd, or could it be based on manually inputted list from user?
asciilifeform: in all of its rancid glory
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: under contemplation here and now is a very basic scheduler.
thestringpuller: ah, the threshold for idling.
ben_vulpes: am i seriously looking at a 1k+ logbacklog?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: aha, pretty slow day
ben_vulpes: i guess i can skip the fanthread
ben_vulpes: heh and grep newlines
asciilifeform: who am i to say what ben_vulpes should skip.
ben_vulpes impoverished usian, does not even have workstation
ben_vulpes lives in box with other people 2m away, even
asciilifeform: well, with pets, aha ?
ben_vulpes: other side of the wall, i mean.
ben_vulpes: tromping down stairs as i write.
asciilifeform: it sucks mightily, aha
asciilifeform: i escaped from it only recently.
ben_vulpes: adapting to poverty was explicit goal of late twenties though.
asciilifeform: why not invite 14 bums to live in your closets then.
ben_vulpes: pets consume a fixed fraction of income, may as well minimize integral of fraction over the next decade or so.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: bums don't pay?
asciilifeform: sure as hell
asciilifeform: but you said 'adapt to poverty'
ben_vulpes: well asciilifeform-style overdramatized 'p0vertee'
mircea_popescu: lol this is a style now!
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1377122 << miserably impossible with modern browser
assbot: Logged on 19-01-2016 18:38:30; ascii_butugychag: and increasing res should do nothing but to make the curves smoother.
ben_vulpes: unless you want to make all os widgets take up vastly more space too
mod6: ok all: http://thebitcoin.foundation website has been updated a bit.
assbot: ..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1UQkfe3 )
mod6: ty!
assbot: Logged on 19-01-2016 23:08:42; pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: i think ben uses it but i have nfi
ben_vulpes: "writing in languages i hate with people i love to be used by hominids i'd not waste a carrot on" or what was it
ben_vulpes: there's something about working nearly alone as a sniper versus together with some people you don't really hate all that much as fuel convoy unit
asciilifeform: mod6: very spiffy
mod6: thx alf
assbot: VPATCH_GRAPH ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdVBAp )
mod6: its on the list, probably will when this latest thing is done.
assbot: Logged on 20-01-2016 02:31:49; ben_vulpes: unless you want to make all os widgets take up vastly more space too
asciilifeform: and here i thought they actually had 100% relative coordinates ?
asciilifeform: (e.g., line thicknesses specified as % of screen size, etc)
mircea_popescu: no wai ?!
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: your choices are to either diddle screen rez or 'zoom' on browser, non?
asciilifeform: the latter - typically ~works~
ben_vulpes: typically, and sort of.
ben_vulpes: lol bitcoin classic on slack
ben_vulpes: why do i even read this shit
asciilifeform: ... to fall asleep ??
ben_vulpes: that's what gibson and pynchon and heller are for
ben_vulpes: and blowjobs
asciilifeform: this...exists/!!!
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform...is surprised?
mircea_popescu: "The situation has evolved. XT unfortunately didn't get the momentum that it should have had thanks to endless FUD/threats/censorship/ddosing etc"
mircea_popescu: ahahaha THE SITUATION HAS EVOLVED.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform...lives in dc, probably thinks coffee comes in "burnt" and "not"
ben_vulpes: wine in "red" and "white
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the 'not' is only available in one's own kitchen
asciilifeform: and only if you fry own beans
phf: as opposed to "artisanal" and "bespoken" as they differentiate things in portland
mircea_popescu: someone's been drinking from kako's coffee mug.
asciilifeform: at $firm they have something like 7 ~different~ devices for making coffee.
asciilifeform: one of which is a frightening industrial thing that takes 'ammo' and is plumbed straight into the standpipe
asciilifeform: (you load it like a cannon)
asciilifeform: the rest are 'artisanal' kettles of various shapes and types, much glass, many small parts
ben_vulpes: you guys live in fucking zimbabwe
ben_vulpes: there is no artisanal anything, there are just a bunch of hipsters competing to roast beans well
ben_vulpes: and no you cannot roast them in your kitchen because you can't get the good shit because you don't buy by the teu
asciilifeform: aha prolly not
asciilifeform hasn't tried.
ben_vulpes: just takes a paint drying gun and some practice
ben_vulpes knows the guy who invented the field-roasting technique
ben_vulpes: 'not' also available in my office, which i suppose doesn't count because also 'my kitchen'
ben_vulpes bought a new clever and a new kettle for the new staffers today to parallelize the coffee production
ben_vulpes: https://prima-coffee.com/equipment/abid/clever << were it not plastic the thing would be completely unbeatable
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assbot: Huel | Nutritionally Complete Powdered Food ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kq6EEA )
asciilifeform: ^ 'eat recycled food! it's good for the environment, and ok for you!' (tm) (r) ('judge dredd')
asciilifeform: 'Why we need Huel? We are in the middle of a food crisis. Modern food production methods are inefficient, inhumane, and unsustainable. The world produces 1.5 times enough food to feed every person on the planet, yet over 800 million people do not have enough food to eat. .... On top of that Britons are getting fatter and more unhealthy ...'
asciilifeform: sooo turns out that mircea_popescu was right about pretty much everything...
ben_vulpes: what now, peers and mempool?
asciilifeform: nah, the part where we get to die while eating (or not getting quite enough of) gloop.
ben_vulpes: what we
asciilifeform: i & the other inmates
asciilifeform: and anybody else who falls in.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378169 << i think we have this on the grounds ! but it was of glass
assbot: Logged on 20-01-2016 03:32:27; ben_vulpes: https://prima-coffee.com/equipment/abid/clever << were it not plastic the thing would be completely unbeatable
mircea_popescu: you been saying that a lot lately.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: you'd have a simple pour-over, not an immersion hybrid.
asciilifeform: incidentally i'd actually rather have a plastic flask than one of faux pyrex
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: do please link
asciilifeform: (the brand 'pyrex' now refers to NON-BOROSILICATE!!11111 glass!11)
mircea_popescu: !s was right
assbot: 682 results for 'was right' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=was+right
asciilifeform: yes, it is now able to crack under thermal stress
ben_vulpes: it is a /brand/ name
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: aha. ~actual~ borosilicate pyrex is extinct now, outside of a lab
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: ah i see
ben_vulpes: https://mentalfloss.atavist.com/secrets-of-the-mit-poker-course << intriqued to hear what the poker afficionados have to say
assbot: Secrets of the MIT Poker Course ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kq73qM )
ben_vulpes: ahahaha
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not-from-a-good-life, i was forced to leave my damaged capsule, suit up, and go to the merciless, meteorite-pocked surface where mircea_popescu was right !
asciilifeform: in every crater !
mircea_popescu: cheapo if desperate trick to get imbecile white ustards to sit still almost enough so a vague polish of calculus can be transferred to their pudgy skins ?
ben_vulpes: from the bikeportland followup: "Hagg said he thinks the solution to problems like that is to drive troublemakers away." << even the motherfucking /bums/ know that you have to drive the worthless fucks off if anyone's to have a decent party.
mircea_popescu: what do you mean even. only the bums know.
asciilifeform: next up: tricks of the Doom masters.
asciilifeform had 'tricks of the unix masters', old maculature crud, on his shelf as a student, and an actual greybeard saw, asked 'where is your 'tricks of the doom masters' to go next to this'
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378200 << very respectable former su prof of physics, teaching at a certain mega-uni in boston, once informed me that the typical 'attention span' of american undergrad is about 6 min.
assbot: Logged on 20-01-2016 03:42:08; mircea_popescu: cheapo if desperate trick to get imbecile white ustards to sit still almost enough so a vague polish of calculus can be transferred to their pudgy skins ?
asciilifeform: can take this, or leave it.
mircea_popescu: i was half hoping hearn would get together with the bitcoin wife and that impossibly named, horsefaced washington staffer chick and create a hot love triangle of "How I created Bitcoin successfully, a guide" "Level your DB" etc.
mircea_popescu: all bestsellers, show up on regis and what's the cunt's name, the whole nine miles.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not enough for a single block even.
phf: не веришь, прими за сказку
asciilifeform: сказка ложь да в ней намёк добрым молодцам урок (tm) (r)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378027 << i shit thee not, personally knew a chick who wanked to rms but - afaik - never mustered the courage to write to him
assbot: Logged on 20-01-2016 01:59:05; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1377944 << it is possible rms never sexed.
asciilifeform: so it is conceivable
asciilifeform: perhaps rms relies on... bees ?
asciilifeform: for pollination.
phf: so rms always had a flexible living arrangements, but at some points he had a tenured office at mit, where he would sleep on the couch. there are multiple accounts of that couch being shared by young ladies. perhaps stories are apocryphal and should echo >> jargon.txt
asciilifeform: i have heard these same legends.
asciilifeform: though, according to the man's autobio material, he was a 'square' in the 1960s
asciilifeform: physics student with 'horn glasses' etc.
asciilifeform: no political acts at all.
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BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ^ 'eat recycled food! it's good for the environment, and ok for you!' (tm) (r) ('judge dredd') << /me does breakfast as powder
phf: sick gains
BingoBoingo: Well, need the caffeine from instant coffee mixed in to have the energy to make a pot of brewed coffee
BingoBoingo: It's also not like I can go into the yard and pluck a tomatoe for breakfast in the middle of winter
BingoBoingo still in recovery. It is through the strategic superiority of #b-a that I stopped being a drunk ass online in time to enjoy the irony of USGToomim Mark M be a stoned ass online
phf: i know a few aa people, seems like it helped them to get their drinking under control
BingoBoingo: It seems to work better for some people than others.
phf: i know this guy, a master carpenter, he builds wooden structures at burning man (infrastructural stuff, not "art"). he's been clean for 30 years now, but it's a constant aa-ing for him. "an acoholic can never be free", etc. i guess it's working for him, but it's hell of depressing mindset
BingoBoingo: Eh, he's also weighing it against the alternative.
BingoBoingo: Some people, like prolly myself, prolly really shouldn't be drinking.
BingoBoingo: At least not in American society as it is presently structured
BingoBoingo: But I was born too late to be a Viking beserker
phf: i agree, for all the jokes about russian vodka, this is a country of functioning alcoholics, with no outlet.
phf: 9-5, couple of beers to wind down, friday evening everyone gets shit faced at a bar, year after year.
phf: combined with sedentary lifestyle..
danielpbarron: http://www.atruechurch.info/aa.html >> A.A. admits they have no cure, but that's because they are under the delusion that there isn't one.
assbot: A True Church - Alcoholics Anonymous ... ( http://bit.ly/1UayU3A )
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BingoBoingo: Given the demographic, I doubt the 12 steps could help very many alcoholics and addicts if they were stictly remade in A True Church (TM)(R)
mats: rofl
mats: >But I was born too late to be a Viking beserker
danielpbarron: nobody can be helped if God hasn't created them for the purpose of being helped.
BingoBoingo: Maybe at some point a few people can graduate from AA to A True Church, but atm I am happy with the job Brodin the Allspotter is doing as my higher power. Wheymen.
BingoBoingo: Anyways in Chapter 5 of the Big Book "How It Works" they mention the goal is spiritual progress, not spiritual perfection.
mats: can emigrate to hood and go into battle whenever you feel like it
danielpbarron: it's a false spirit, one that doesn't save
BingoBoingo: Bill W's ibogaine trip in the hospital seemed to work enoug to get the ball rolling.
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ben_vulpes: wheymen
danielpbarron: >> The influence of the A.A. society has been massive and widespread. A.A. cooperates with a large variety of groups which includes the U. S. court system. Judges often order people to be involved in A.A. as a part of a rehabilitation effort.
BingoBoingo: The courts system is more inflicted upon AA.
BingoBoingo: People sent by the courts often aren't ready for step 1 and many times violate the criteria for membership by not having a desire to quit drinking as outlined in tradition 3.
danielpbarron: >> 12. - And finally, we of Alcoholics Anonymous believe that the principle of anonymity has an immense spiritual significance.
BingoBoingo: Or course AA was Anons before chantards were. "Principles before Personalities"
BingoBoingo: Also some people relapse which would be embarassing in the organization had a bunch of public faces.
danielpbarron: but they are anon for the exact same reason >> They keep it anonymous, because they are evil and they do not want themselves and their evil deeds to be exposed, as it is written, Everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. (John 3:20)
BingoBoingo: It is written in the Big Book "Many of us exclaimed, "What an order! I can't go through with it." Do not be discouraged. No one among us has been able to maintain anything like perfect adherence to these principles. We are not saints. The point is, that we are willing to grow along spiritual lines. The principles we have set down are guides to progress. We claim spiritual progress rather than spiritual perfection." page 60
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