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BingoBoingo: Looks very cool, but I lack tools to give quality analysis
asciilifeform: thing doesn't appear to need tools
asciilifeform: 2-sided pcbs, labeled ics
mircea_popescu: in unrelated news, telecentro sa might be the shittiest isp the world has ever seen.
asciilifeform: how come
mircea_popescu: line dies multiple times a day, every day sorta thing
mircea_popescu: nah, cable.
asciilifeform miser on many things but not isp
BingoBoingo: In other news qntra content is back
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> thing doesn't appear to need tools << Requires tools in wetware
asciilifeform: congrats BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: Comments from the last ~week are missing, but..
assbot: Помогите опознать изделие - Страница 6 ... ( http://bit.ly/1U1i9Yk )
trinque: feeds thinger revived.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35150 @ 0.00049565 = 17.4221 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Фото - ГНЦ-8/2В ... ( http://bit.ly/1O5pVjF )
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-12-2015#1350133 << ok looks like 195* is the old (dead) dulap
assbot: Logged on 22-12-2015 03:41:28; mod6: is that one Mr. P.'s node? i seem to remember maybe that one was stopped or something? asciilifeform /just/ updated Zoolag and Bucephalus
asciilifeform: plz use one of the live nodez
asciilifeform: new dulap is 46.166.165.30
asciilifeform: and is quite likely the liveliest of the nodez presently
asciilifeform: (it is on a titanically-spiffy box mircea_popescu built, and hasn't - as of yet - anything else there. though it will shortly)
trinque lets the new deedbot node have a taste
asciilifeform: my other two:
asciilifeform: 216.15.33.203 --- bucephalus
asciilifeform: 173.73.235.152 --- zoolag
asciilifeform: all 3 are fully synced and running same thing
asciilifeform: and have very reasonable pipes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54900 @ 0.0004963 = 27.2469 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00048933 = 4.8444 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Logged on 22-12-2015 01:20:33; mircea_popescu: trhis sounds like home.
assbot: Capacity increases for the Bitcoin system -- Bitcoin Core ... ( http://bit.ly/1O5xVRH )
assbot: Capacity increases for the Bitcoin system -- Bitcoin Core : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1O5xVRL )
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 439.06, vol: 12642.92887597 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 437.9, vol: 7996.32153 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 438.76, vol: 28963.35589242 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 425.0, vol: 0.34339395 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 451.007032, vol: 102113.12970000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 437.99, vol: 173.05762018 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 436.308978, vol: 137.95867145 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 446.962634434
ben_vulpes: interesting to note the various timelines for replication of trb work
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 22:32:49; asciilifeform: once mod6 and ben_vulpes shrinkwrap a buildroot, gcc, et al. this will be possible
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349743 << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349744 << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349873 << log grepping is becoming its own skill. i recently lost five minutes looking for "month" instead of "mos."
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 22:35:29; *: asciilifeform digs
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 22:35:40; *: mircea_popescu digs as well
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 23:38:07; mircea_popescu: holy shit it's in a dpaste in the logs ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3243 @ 0.00048678 = 1.5786 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 17-12-2015 15:01:36; mircea_popescu: this will also add a 0.7-.8 expense on the s.nsa books, but hey, whatchagonnado.
assbot: Logged on 22-12-2015 05:29:33; asciilifeform: (it is on a titanically-spiffy box mircea_popescu built, and hasn't - as of yet - anything else there. though it will shortly)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8750 @ 0.00048678 = 4.2593 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00048674 = 11.2924 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 19:53:23; jurov: https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!msg/boring-crypto/48qa1kWignU/o8GGp2K1DAAJ << where djb secretly desires ada
punkman: "Not to be "that guy", but as cool as it is to ponder doing this in some bright, shiny language like Rust or ML, Ada exists for a reason.  There's even an open source compiler (Gnat) that can already generate code that can link with C/C++/etc code bases.  Work would need to go into streamlining the run time overhead for this use case, but how much compared to maintaining some C compiler
punkman: fork?"
assbot: Confessions of a White Sushi Chef | First We Feast ... ( http://bit.ly/1U1x6cZ )
punkman: "People call themselves a sushi chef after two to four years of making sushi, or going from restaurant to restaurant instead of taking up an apprenticeship. That doesn’t fly in my book. When a white sushi chef says, “I would work there, but it was too demanding,” then I say you are definitely too weak and we are not cut from the same cloth."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10667 @ 0.00048708 = 5.1957 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00048711 = 7.6476 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24582 @ 0.00048722 = 11.9768 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Some analysis of the backdoored backdoor | .:rpw:. ... ( http://bit.ly/1U1z6BR )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27281 @ 0.00049045 = 13.38 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25870 @ 0.00048668 = 12.5904 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17650 @ 0.00049155 = 8.6759 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35460 @ 0.00049269 = 17.4708 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15726 @ 0.00049638 = 7.8061 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19650 @ 0.00049648 = 9.7558 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28100 @ 0.00049648 = 13.9511 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41950 @ 0.0004884 = 20.4884 BTC [-] {5}
BingoBoingo: trinque: Are you sure feed is back on?
assbot: CMU Tor Attack Implicated In Mannion Arrest | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/22mPsLo )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00049648 = 7.9933 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Objective Cis Het White Male - Why I NEVER Tip White Waiters ... ( http://bit.ly/22mQqau )
punkman: BingoBoingo: but does he have black friends?
BingoBoingo: Of course he doesn't
assbot: Objective Cis Het White Male - How to be a Cis Het White Male Intersectional... ... ( http://bit.ly/1NJ2w46 )
punkman: "The patriarchy expects me to be a big burly man to soak up all the privilege I can. However, I find that the thinner you are as a male, the more willing people are to interact with you because you are not so threatening. As I get thinner, the patriarchy has a harder time keeping a hold on me because I can slip through its fingers more easily."
punkman: not bad
BingoBoingo: Ah so he's either fat or manorexic to top it all off
deedbot-: [Qntra] Payment Card Industry Clings To SSLv3 And TLS 1.0 For Two More Years - http://qntra.net/2015/12/payment-card-industry-clings-to-sslv3-and-tls-1-0-for-two-more-years/
BingoBoingo: Ah, there it is, ty trinque
davout: from where i am i still can't see qntra
davout: DNS resolution doesn't seem to work
BingoBoingo: I have no idea the dark magic mircea_popescu worked in the routing.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.00049346 = 11.4976 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2695 @ 0.00049301 = 1.3287 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16750 @ 0.00049648 = 8.316 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34832 @ 0.0004868 = 16.9562 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00049647 = 7.6456 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12869 @ 0.00048516 = 6.2435 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31800 @ 0.00048496 = 15.4217 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.0004879 = 6.1475 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20112 @ 0.00049648 = 9.9852 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: that's just fucking dumb. privilege is being thin, as a male.
BingoBoingo: Seriously swolepression is real
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes per month.
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> war <<< "There will not be any hardfork for at least the next ~year." <<< mno. no war, sheepish surrender. we find these terms acceptable, to quote !churchill.
mircea_popescu: "Lightning will allow for almost all of the security, features, and decentralization of Bitcoin transactions while drastically reducing the number of on-blockchain transactions that each individual will need to perform. This is expected to be the real eventual solution to scaling."
mircea_popescu: hurr durr. i'm sure it will be the eventual solution to "scaling", for any value of scaling = http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349366
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 15:29:29; mircea_popescu: "hands off our cattle!"
BingoBoingo: lowercase war, not War
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, on one hand fair is fair and on the other hand not only is it not our cattle, we don't fucking want to herd cattle in the first place. so...
mircea_popescu: usg found its level.
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> interesting to note the various timelines for replication of trb work <<< quite.
mircea_popescu: i suppose it's based on how they judge their ability to comprehend wtf alf did. "this is crazy" "this is batshit insane" "i have no idea wtf this even is" and perhaps other layers.
mircea_popescu: lol theymos got -39 reddit votes. clearly teh system wurx.
mircea_popescu: <davout> DNS resolution doesn't seem to work << what do you see ?
mircea_popescu: "Most people would assume I am a walking oxymoron. At least, they would assume the latter part of that word. However, I am here today to give you a glimpse of how it is possible to be a cissexual heterosexual white male intersectional feminist and how I’m living proof.
mircea_popescu: Many think that Intersectional Feminism is at odds with cis het white men. This stems from the fact"
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha
mircea_popescu: THAT is the problem. idiot imagines what sane people will choke on is the notion that she's a dumbass feminist.
mircea_popescu: no, that's not the issue. the issue is that a dumbass feminist who ate enough so you can't distinguish her wasp bites from man boobs imagines herself a "homosexual male".
mircea_popescu: you ain't homosexual or a male, sweetie. you're just a girl with too much loose change in her brainbox.
BingoBoingo still waiting for the levorotary/dexrotary gender crISIS
davout: mircea_popescu: now it works, also nice DNS servers, ten points to gryffyndor
mircea_popescu: is gryffyndor good ?
mircea_popescu: and could it be lyf yn whor ?
BingoBoingo: I think they are the goody too shoed bitch ones
davout: the sky's the limit
BingoBoingo forgets which one stomped colons all day
mircea_popescu: that's what they said back at camp when we were doing the piss up tree competition.
BingoBoingo: Gotta piss up tree or else gets on shoes
mircea_popescu: (btw, is this known universally or just ro junior high amusement ? buncha kids get around tree, see who pisses on it the highest ?)
mircea_popescu: "Why I NEVER Tip White Waiters If you want to teach someone something, it is usually best to do it over and over."\
BingoBoingo: universal
mircea_popescu: bahwhahahahaha. random douche who thinks "waiters" = the douches just like him moving around tgi tuesdays is going to TEACH something, by repeating it over and over. an' thart something ain't gonna be "this fat poor sucker's also a jerk". it's gonna be something else. because he's the not so little train engine that can!
mircea_popescu: here's a rough rule of thumb : if the guy bringing you your donut is making below minimum wage, he is BY DEFINITION of the terms "minimum wage" and "waiter" NOT a waiter. because being a waiter IS A PROFESSION, just like being a computer engineer or a driver. meanwhile minimum wage is reserved for UNSKILLED!!! labour. like webstack developers and singer-songwriter-tablewaiters.
mircea_popescu: and this is kinda also what powers the "uber revolution" : if you're willing to go from drivers to unskilled labour, you may "save" a little change off your ride and uber can make a killing.
mircea_popescu: Update: Shortly after reading my post, Willem Pinckaers pointed out that the reseed_system_prng function sets the global variable system_prng_bufpos to 32. This means that after the first invocation of this function, the for loop right after the reseed call in system_prng_gen_block never executes. Hence, the ANSI X9.31 PRNG code is completely non-functional.
mircea_popescu: "Apparently Juniper only realised this recently and not when they were issuing KB28205." yaya.
assbot: University of Alabama quietly testing fraternity brothers for drugs | AL.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1J310gz )
BingoBoingo: "There’s this one fraternity—really well-known on campus, attracted a lot of attention—that started getting drug-tested and it’s still talked about how this fraternity went from, like, a group of guys who functioned normally and held high position among the university and then they all just became ‘bartards’—that’s the term for people who eat Xanax bars. They all went from just, you know, regular college guys to ju
BingoBoingo: st zombies, all doing Xanax because they couldn’t smoke pot and stuff so it was the only thing they could do."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00049648 = 6.7025 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: Just imagine. You take away all the drugs they can handle and they gotta resort to drugs they don't know wtf to do with.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would they take xanax in the first place.
BingoBoingo: Because available and the rappers are doing it.
BingoBoingo: Or mebbe to teach the Uni a lesson when the civil suits come because a bunch of frat bros were popping xanax and buttchugging vodka now that their weed is gone.
mod6: heh buttchugging
BingoBoingo: Apparently its popular. I always thought it was a myth.
mircea_popescu: no chance for psych medication to go the way of tobacco, is there ?
mircea_popescu: "oh, but it helps people. it calms my nerves!" was iirc the state-of-the-art in tobacco "critiquing" for about a century.
BingoBoingo: Not really. And really benzos like Xanax are the "safer" tranquilizers.
assbot: moderation in moderation ... ( http://bit.ly/1J31T8T )
BingoBoingo: The benzodiazepine revolution has happened, and it's going to be a while before it can get stigma'd out like tobacco.
BingoBoingo: If only because all the other tranquilizers like miltown and thalidomide are so much easier to pile on to. "Miltown, what kind of drug has bezoars as a side effect?"
mircea_popescu: "the western world - a place so miserable teenage suicide is still the exception, but teenage cns depressant medication the rule"
mircea_popescu: anyone ever wondered what every kid being a reefer says about their country ?
mircea_popescu: or is that something only the soviets would notice.
BingoBoingo: I nearly forgot we linked earleir this classic on backdoor miltown getting real popular for a while http://www.theangrypharmacist.com/archives/2013/10/somabots-transform.html
assbot: The Angry Pharmacist » Blog Archive » SOMABOTS, TRANSFORM! ... ( http://bit.ly/1J327N7 )
BingoBoingo: Only the soviets would notice.
BingoBoingo: Soviets just got sloppy when the latched onto schizophrenia as psychiatric umbrella. West has been riding this bipolar/"mood spectrum disorder" grinder for a while now.
mircea_popescu: Meprobamate << amusingly, this was widely dispensed for... ulcer.
mircea_popescu: back in the 80s.
BingoBoingo: Well, yeah. Bezoar in stomach actually gets along well with ulcer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15888 @ 0.00049654 = 7.889 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30317 @ 0.00049164 = 14.905 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: Wait who buttchugs beer. All that carbonation and foam...
punkman: looks like cough syrup
shinohai: Purple drank
BingoBoingo: Oh, a kind of Trilema is back online
assbot: World’s most ‘adorable drug kingpin’ is actually the daughter of Texas DEA head honcho ... ( http://bit.ly/1mfBZnT )
mircea_popescu: o look at that, the dea's a fief.
mircea_popescu: why "head honcho" and not the more common "czar" ?
mircea_popescu: or is that only-when-good-things.
BingoBoingo: czars are appointees. Honchos come up through the bottom.
assbot: Reports: radiation and chemo may cause cancer, cannabis may cure it ... ( http://bit.ly/1mfCdLJ )
mircea_popescu: o is that how it works.
assbot: php - Error with .htaccess and mod_rewrite - Stack Overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1mfCePN )
BingoBoingo: Yeah. Czars go to Yale and Honchos either come from A&M or community college
mircea_popescu: they changed how shit works because why not ?
punkman: I always wonder how people end up with that kind of title mismatch
punkman: mircea_popescu: wow that's retarded
mircea_popescu: no shit.
mircea_popescu: revolutionarizing!
liquidassets: Engaging meatwot fun
mircea_popescu: omfg and 5mb of error log.
mircea_popescu replaces E_ALL & ~E_NOTICE & ~E_DEPRECATED & ~E_STRICT that apparently GETS IGNORED ANYWAY with E_ERROR and fu.
mircea_popescu: jesus php is a pos.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00049654 = 3.1779 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: motherfucker it will not stop.
mircea_popescu: so i edited fucking php ini, restarted the whole shebang, it STILL spits its dumbass warnings and notices omfg.
mircea_popescu: WHO THE FUCK CARES ABOUT "STRICT STANDARDS" AND "DEPRECATED" AND ALL YOUR STUPID SHIT! jesus!
assbot: Logged on 22-12-2015 06:37:41; ben_vulpes: interesting to note the various timelines for replication of trb work
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-12-2015#1350233 << the 'research subpoenaed from cmu' cover is lulzy
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-12-2015#1350294 << i've used it 5x so far. once it was a fraud (see logz) and got refund. the other 4, it was dour iranian drivers every bit as good as a 'normal' cabbie. which brings us to the very real 'fat' that there was to be trimmed from cab fare in usa: amortized cost of medallion passed to the customer, and other idiocies that uber nuked
assbot: Logged on 22-12-2015 13:17:24; mircea_popescu: and this is kinda also what powers the "uber revolution" : if you're willing to go from drivers to unskilled labour, you may "save" a little change off your ride and uber can make a killing.
asciilifeform: ('uber' is about 1/2 to 1/3 the cost of a 'normal' cab in wash dc region)
mircea_popescu: this is the path to failure : first, professionals want to do less work for the same money ; then, parasites move in to do the same work, for less money. and the lemon cycle persists.
asciilifeform: in english lands it was called 'scab'
mircea_popescu: the fundamental argentinian-ness of the human mind, "oh, ok, this is what i get paid, now how could i move down what i gottaq do for it ?" really needs the british imperial "fuck you, you don't eat" as typified by lord newton.
mircea_popescu: but none of this changes the fact that waiter is an actual profession.
assbot: No Cookies | dailytelegraph.com.au ... ( http://bit.ly/1PihIYy )
mircea_popescu: so a bunch of idiot americans band together, agree to not learn, and expect teacher to "throw the curve".
mircea_popescu: fine. so ? learning's still learning, whether he does or doesn't.
mircea_popescu: so php has a "ignore repeated location / type of error" dual switch. which inexplicably comes NOT THROWN. because yeah, this is totally logical, if someone doesn't care about one instance you gotta provide them with infinity instances of the same thing. idiots.
mircea_popescu: so then you throw the switch and watch in amazement as... nothing happens.
asciilifeform: mega-unsurprise
mircea_popescu: it looks like trilema's going to get moved off php at this rate.
asciilifeform: sop in open sores
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-12-2015#1350295 << aaaand Official Truth proclaims that the thing was not a usg op getting burned. aha, who wants to buy bridge ?
assbot: Logged on 22-12-2015 13:18:03; mircea_popescu: Update: Shortly after reading my post, Willem Pinckaers pointed out that the reseed_system_prng function sets the global variable system_prng_bufpos to 32. This means that after the first invocation of this function, the for loop right after the reseed call in system_prng_gen_block never executes. Hence, the ANSI X9.31 PRNG code is completely non-functional.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-12-2015#1350311 << tobacco went the way of tobacco to make room for new dopez
assbot: Logged on 22-12-2015 13:35:38; mircea_popescu: no chance for psych medication to go the way of tobacco, is there ?
asciilifeform: and for no other reason
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-12-2015#1350318 << they don't wait until puberty to start'em on dope, either
assbot: Logged on 22-12-2015 13:41:35; mircea_popescu: "the western world - a place so miserable teenage suicide is still the exception, but teenage cns depressant medication the rule"
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2015 21:25:28; ascii_field: they do 5 y.o. and possibly below, now
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-12-2015#1350324 << dope is a very handy answer to a terminally ill society
assbot: Logged on 22-12-2015 13:43:50; BingoBoingo: Soviets just got sloppy when the latched onto schizophrenia as psychiatric umbrella. West has been riding this bipolar/"mood spectrum disorder" grinder for a while now.
asciilifeform: su never invented a good dope for ambulatory (outpatient) zombiefication
asciilifeform: (other than old-fashioned booze)
asciilifeform: most of the mega-breakthroughs in this field were in 1980s usa.
mircea_popescu both turned off error logging altogether as well as specified they should be saved in /dev/null
mircea_popescu: with baited breath i await to discover this also does nothing
asciilifeform: (much earlier us pharma triumphs, e.g., diazepam, did catch on - to a degree - in su, but not mega-hits)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19259 @ 0.00049654 = 9.5629 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25550 @ 0.00049655 = 12.6869 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: holy shit, turning off error reporting altogehter took!
mircea_popescu: hey, congrats dumbasses, pushing the attentionwhoring angle got +1 people to ignore you altogether. how's that for epic success!
liquidassets: GOOD MORNING ASSETERS 11 https://youtu.be/_Ahc-oEFQ7k
assbot: NOFX - Dinosaurs will die (Lyrics) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pikzk9 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00049667 = 5.811 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski http://dpaste.com/3PXSBHX
assbot: dpaste: 3PXSBHX ... ( http://bit.ly/1QVQMj7 )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
liquidassets: Pay attention to your weaknesses long enough and they'll turn into your greatest strengths.
liquidassets: ~TMSR Made Me
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54996 @ 0.00049727 = 27.3479 BTC [+] {5}
trinque: calm down, timmy.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19986 @ 0.00049814 = 9.9558 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36200 @ 0.00049815 = 18.033 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28100 @ 0.00049905 = 14.0233 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15350 @ 0.00049786 = 7.6422 BTC [-] {2}
shinohai: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: http://blog.llvm.org/2013/04/status-of-c11-migrator.html << possible useful tool for boost removal in trb
assbot: LLVM Project Blog: Status of the C++11 Migrator ... ( http://bit.ly/22nXhkd )
ascii_field: (ast munger)
ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://habrahabr.ru/post/273249 << mega-lulz re: Run Moar Winblowz. 'how to sneak into president's villa at 5am'
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ascii_field: ^ summary: random bozo pops a box, turns out to contain src for underwater alarm system at mega-palace, full of backdoorz
ascii_field: if this is a sham, it is a quality sham.
ascii_field: http://geektimes.ru/post/268128 << baikal electronics corp. claims $60 mips cpu to compete with 'elbrus' (which i have been unable to buy at any price on this side of the ocean)
assbot: Массовое производство первого российского процессора Baikal-T1 запустят в начале 2016 года / Geektimes ... ( http://bit.ly/1Yzaodx )
ascii_field: lastly in re nyoooooz,
ascii_field: http://habrahabr.ru/company/ua-hosting/blog/273137 >> while idiot west demolishes nuke plants, ru builds. and next to one - data centre promised to hold up to 10,000 full racks.
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jurov: new from mempool taming dept: actually the biggest memory bloat, hidden in various vector<char> operations is caused by mapRelay
jurov: which purpose is still not 100% clear to me, seems an inventory what we're going to relay to whom
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00050012 = 5.8264 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> http://geektimes.ru/post/268128 << baikal electronics corp. claims $60 mips cpu to compete with 'elbrus' (which i have been unable to buy at any price on this side of the ocean) << they don't practically exist, on either side of ocean. so far all signs point to "elaborate ru.gov self-scam"
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mircea_popescu: jurov who's ben diken ?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla there ?
jurov: no idea
mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CW2RaY3WIAErW-v.png << this is actually very close to irl.
mircea_popescu: incidentally i would LOVE to see maprelay excised entirely.
punkman: does it do anything besides increasing attack surface?
mircea_popescu: never made sense to anyone, that shit.
mircea_popescu: punkman nope.
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punkman: "elaborate ru.gov self-scam" or "good things for good people"?
mircea_popescu: i doubt the thing actually works, atm, is all.
mircea_popescu: if you recall the ever-so useful "quantum computer" that was going to do things just as long as you ... you know, let the specialists do it.
mircea_popescu: exactly equivalent to "experiments" that only work in the kook's lab.
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asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: dwave corp.
mircea_popescu: in other news, "blocks" : 182731,
ascii_field: jurov et al: mapRelay is used to rebroadcast tx, incl. wallet (own) tx
mircea_popescu: 03:21:07 122106 19:58:23 182731 so 60625 / 881 or 68.8 blocks/min
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mircea_popescu: ascii_field but it doesn't hjave to br.
ascii_field: in the same sense that other garbage 'doesn't have to be'
ascii_field: e.g. openssl
ascii_field: but this is not a wart that can be snipped off without any serious work
ascii_field: now the Advert* crud - yes
ascii_field: (afaik it actually gets optimized out by gcc, even, as dead code)
mircea_popescu: nevertheless...
ascii_field: incidentally, i've concluded that 'boost' can be sawed out and replaced with a modicum of c++11ism relatively painlessly
jurov: i am tentatively erasing it (together with vRelayExpiration) in JettisonMempool, so far no obvious problems
ascii_field: jurov: neato
mircea_popescu: both of these lines sound fab.
ascii_field: how about the problem of this operation not actually reclaiming memory ?
ascii_field: or was this resolved while i slept
mircea_popescu: one saltspoon at a time.
jurov: oh, also it finally does reclaim memory
jurov: after this last step is done
ascii_field looks forward to ml post
mircea_popescu: jurov has broken into the republican piggybank, bought out dark markets!
jurov: add this into JettisonMempool just before malloc_trim():
jurov: CRITICAL_BLOCK(cs_mapRelay){
jurov: vRelayExpiration.erase(vRelayExpiration.begin(),vRelayExpiration.end());
jurov: mapRelay.erase(mapRelay.begin(),mapRelay.end()); }
ascii_field: jurov: why would this deallocate tx ?
jurov: the CDataStream contains serialized tx
jurov: so in fact, a second mempool
ascii_field: so do we see a return to baseline+300byte*blockheight heap size after the nuke ?
jurov: yes, looks like it's very close now
ascii_field: mighty spiffy
ascii_field: this also means that fragging can be dealt with using 'stop&copy' aka semispace gc
ascii_field: (deallocate all tx, while throwing them into a fresh mempool)
ascii_field: the time to do this is, obviously, when a block comes
ascii_field: (when a good portion of this work is being done anyway)
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mircea_popescu: motherfucker. dig trilema.com @91.218.246.31 status: NOERROR; dig trilema.com @8.8.8.8 status: NOERROR ; dig trilema.com ? status: SERVFAIL
mircea_popescu: fucking hell and who ever came up with this bullshit.
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mod6: ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-12-2015#1348988 << So I'm gonna be putting just the sha512 hashes of BDB/Boost/OpenSSL .tar.gz files in a manifest that will be added into 'V'.
assbot: Logged on 20-12-2015 22:22:31; mod6: so just to be clear, so I'm not holding anything up here; hashes of the following tarballs in V: BDB, openssl, and boost.
mod6: !up ascii_field
mod6: should we place that file in the 'bitcoin' dir, or any thoughts on where this file should reside?
mircea_popescu: mod6 could the default be that all dirs are made under whatever dir runs the rotor script ?
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mod6: currently, what is required is that you execute the rotor+V+TEST2 script that I wrote, and then it'll create a 'rotor' dir in that present working directory. then you'll end up with like: rotor/TEST2/bitcoin/src/
mod6: Is that what you're asking?
mircea_popescu: does it look for .wot there too ?
mod6: this Manifest we're talking about creating would need to fit somewhere in the directory structure of bitcoin itself, if it is to be 'v'-ified.
mod6: no, .wot can be wherever you want it to be.
mod6: well...
mod6: in the context of the script, it'd have to be altered in the script to say place the .wot in .../rotor so you'd have /.../rotor/.wot/
trinque: seems like the contents of rotor.sh can easily be pasted into the bottom of the outermost script.
mircea_popescu: no, it can't.
mod6: and the subsequent commands would just do something like `./v.pl p TEST2 vpatchnameforhead wd /.../rotor/.wot` or something.
mircea_popescu: anyway, directory structure could use some fixing.
mircea_popescu: my personal ideal would be that ALL directories involved in this without exception are spawned as subdirs of whatever current dir the script ran in.
mod6: the whole way that the 'orchestra' gets built, has to be that way for this minute. but certainly can change going forward.
mod6: it basically just grabs all of these different things and then pieces it together.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> my personal ideal would be that ALL directories involved in this without exception are spawned as subdirs of whatever current dir the script ran in. << this makes sense. right now you end up with /.../rotor/ and ~/.wot, and ~/.seals iirc.
mod6: but this could change.
mod6: anyway my question to ascii_field, jurov, et. al. is: given we create a manifest, where should it live in the context of the bitcoin source tree itself
mod6: the rotor is out of the scope of that part.
mod6: this weekend I'm thinking that I can get that done, and droped into the ML & V, etc.
mod6: and probably can post the release vpatch to the ML also.
mod6: so those would be the last 2 things that would go into V itself.
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mircea_popescu: the manifest should live wherever the rotor.sh lives neh ?
mircea_popescu: at least that's where i'd go looking for it
mod6: the interesting part about dropping in a manifest file is that i'll be off on its own as its own root and its own leaf since it'll have no decendents or antecedants.
mod6: but it'll also have to be grabbed by the release vpatch so it gets included.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> the manifest should live wherever the rotor.sh lives neh ? << I would argue that all of these scripts would live outside of bitcoin source V tree.
mircea_popescu: wait. what ?!
trinque: does not make sense to separate the build system from the thing being built. what other project does that?
mod6: hmm. well, ok.
mircea_popescu: idea here is to a degree that V is a universal builder
mod6: I guess I can see it that way.
mircea_popescu: then it'll have to some degree be separated from what it builds
mod6: We're a lot farther from release than I had thought then.
trinque: V yes, I see V the version control system kinda being conflated with this builder making use of V
mod6: Because all of those scripts need to be re-written.
mircea_popescu: mod6 but this manifest... wouldn't you say it's of the nature of the sigils ?
trinque: V certainly is its own thing
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: ;;later tell BingoBoingo (or anybody else who was awake last night) http://photo.qip.ru/users/otrok/4044237/96752635/full_image << i found the datasheets for all the ics. most of'em are shift registers
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ascii_field: so the thing was something like a su version of a stream cipherator
ascii_field: using fuck knows what kind of scheme
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 but this manifest... wouldn't you say it's of the nature of the sigils ? << im not sure i understand this.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski done and done.
mircea_popescu: so about as useless as piss.
trinque: mod6: do you want help with any of this? I am comfortable with my bash-fu.
trinque: script as is works very well; I'm just offering some janitorial services.
mod6: anyone in my wot in L1 can contribue.
trinque: I'll give it some love today then.
mod6: so i can see having a say, /.../bitcoin/build/ directory or something where the scripts/config files for buildroot/and everything else/ exist and can be pressed out.
mod6: but there's a fair chunk of stuff to do there.
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mod6: in this case, the order of operations when building: press out a V 'branch', cd to the build directory (or somewhere in the pressed out tree), kick off the building of buildroot & everything.
mircea_popescu: another thing that was disconcerting was having binaries in a /src dir
ascii_field: that's a bitcoinism
mod6: oh the output binary for bitcoin?
mircea_popescu: neverthe....more.
trinque: {src,contrib,build} etc ?
mod6: yeah, i'd vote to change that at a different time.
mod6: just because that makefile can get a bit hairy. but we can put it on the list.
pete_dushenski: hmm 6 btc against trump for republican nomination in just the last day and a half, what are these people on ?
trinque: it's not as though I'm debugging c++ at the moment.
mod6: <+trinque> {src,contrib,build} etc ? << 'contrib' in the sense of distfiles from say BDB/Boost/OpenSSL?
trinque: yep
trinque: or deps, whatever
mod6: 'dist' would be fine with me. i see no problem with 'contrib' either.
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mod6: better ask juorv ;)
mod6: jurov
mircea_popescu: or 'shit' for that matter.
trinque: lol
mod6: that would be pretty hilarious actualy.
mircea_popescu: aha. these are your father's contrishitubtions.
jurov: why ask me?
mircea_popescu: cuz everyone's in awe of your recent memorymagicks ?
mircea_popescu: go forth and name a directory!
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jurov: as a gentooista, i'm fine with distfiles
trinque does not care
trinque: going to make a variable :p
trinque: but I lean towards shit
mod6: <+jurov> why ask me? << don't wanna step on your toes with golf shoes when it comes to btc.yt
jurov: well, that's kinda different thing
pete_dushenski: metal spiked golf shoes are so 1995
jurov: it's about having files *inside* bitcoin directory in same places relative to each other
mod6: eh, crampons then
jurov: i have no problem with dependencies, manifests, etc.
mod6: so the manifest should live in build directory as we were talking about?
mod6: oh
mod6: nm. i guess in the 'shit' dir.
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jurov: if you want it to show on btc.yt , best in parent dir of src
jurov: but if there are compelling reasons, should not be hard to move all versions one level down so that you can have /shit/bitcoin/src
jurov: and the manifest in /shit
trinque: yeah.
jurov: (and it will break all links in teh lawgs)
mod6: so like this?
trinque: looks pretty to me
ascii_field: i'd name 'rotor'
mod6: i'm sold on that. s/build/rotor/
trinque: why rotor? is there going to be some other build system?
ascii_field: there is
trinque: in which case yes
ascii_field: just not released yet
trinque: makes sense
mod6: I guess we can place a small README in bitcoin/ that can direct peeps to rotor dir.
ascii_field: (whole shebang, i called... motor)
jurov: ok
trinque: mod6: could output where the binary was crapped at the end
trinque: like building the linux kernel does with bzImage
jurov: name the output dir "sphincter"
trinque notices the shit-in/shit-out aspect of this metaphor.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
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ascii_field: (these are bugs)
mod6: <+trinque> mod6: could output where the binary was crapped at the end << hmm? the makefile will drop the binary in 'bitcoin/src/' -- but yeah, could be copied somehere.
mod6: *somewhere
mod6: maybe bitcoin/bin ?? not sure on that.
jurov: to ourlibs/bin, i'd say
mod6: ourlibs?
jurov: or that one is only temporary?
mod6: maybe i have amnesia, but I don't remember that one at all.
mod6 scratches head
trinque: it should build in build then crap a binary with a version string appended in the dir you are in, imo
jurov: where openss/boost/etc. install themselves
trinque: mp last night was trying to get someone who had no knowledge of this stuff to build the thing.
mod6: it will always (until the makefile is patched) build an output binary in bitcoin/src/
trinque: sure, cp $rotororwhatever/bitcoin/src/bitcoind .
trinque: er, with renaming it to the current version
trinque: bitcoind-0.5.4TEST or what have you
mod6: oooh jurov yeah, ok. now i remember.
mod6: i'd like to leave the bin the same name.
mod6: no reason to change that imho
mod6: i'd say maybe just copy it up underneath the bitcoin dir. so: /.../bitcoin/bitcoind
mod6: if we don't create a bin dir for it to live in.
trinque: sure, was trying to address ascii_field's indicating multiple build systems and so on
trinque: but that's a side note to easy access to the end product.
mod6: yeah, some of this is still up in the air
mod6: ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, asciilifeform : thoughts on the above ^ ?
ascii_field: the obj crud still ends up in bitcoin dir
ascii_field: and the correct vehicle for all of this is gnumake, ~if~ somebody can figure out how to make it behave sanely when invoking makefiles recursively
mod6: <+ascii_field> the obj crud still ends up in bitcoin dir << yeah, but if we were to copy out the binary somewhere, any thoughts on where it should live?
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ascii_field: bitcoin/bin
mod6: ok werd.
shinohai awaits mod6 's next release to try.
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pete_dushenski: !up ascii_field
assbot: Stockpile ... ( http://bit.ly/1V4cqSF )
assbot: Logged on 19-12-2015 22:16:21; assbot: Logged on 19-12-2015 18:20:05; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1347241 << the thing scammers never tell the scamee is that investing is a professional activity. no fucking exceptions.
pete_dushenski: 'stockpile' = tech bubble stock GIFT CARDS
pete_dushenski: eg. apple, amazon, etc.
ascii_field: for t0p sc4mm1tud3, the card ought to have fine print
pete_dushenski: "You pick the stock and dollar amount. They get fractional shares of real stock. Even kids and teens can do it!"
ascii_field: 'if it goes up, we keep the diff' or the like
ascii_field: almost gotta be in there somewhere
ascii_field: l0l waitasec they're ph0rk3d nice & proper already ?
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ascii_field: BingoBoingo et al ^^ qntra ?
BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> ;;later tell BingoBoingo (or anybody else who was awake last night) http://photo.qip.ru/users/otrok/4044237/96752635/full_image << i found the datasheets for all the ics. most of'em are shift registers << Sweet
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pete_dushenski: ascii_field "Yes, you can sell part or all of your stock anytime for a trading commission of only 99 cents. You can also buy more of a stock you already own, or buy a new stock, for 99 cents a trade." << ~seems~ this is the main flesh hook, though others include "money in your account within 3 days" and "priced at daily close"
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> hmm 6 btc against trump for republican nomination in just the last day and a half, what are these people on ? << Ted Cruz is having a moment
pete_dushenski: nyooz to me
jurov: ascii_field: dunno if queefs of some french harpies are newsworthy
ascii_field: jurov: maybe not
punkman: for future reference: Sophie Montel, Florian Philippot, Dominique Bilde
punkman: oh wait, didn't we do that last month
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ascii_field: 'I proceeded to disassemble a Nokia 2110 battery pack, remove the batteries, glue it to a 6-volt lead-acid gel cell battery, and clip the phone onto the resulting giant battery pack (when the battery is many times larger than the phone, you don't clip the battery onto the phone). The result, "Gorba's Return", has a standby time of more than a month.' << very spiffy, also doubles as a blunt weapon or battering ram
punkman: ascii_field: you ever looked at this? https://github.com/embedthis/matrixssl seems reasonably compact
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ascii_field: but doesn't look compact to me
jurov: nowadays you can do it with any phone, if you put 5V source and usb output on the battery
ascii_field: has what, dozens of .c ?
ascii_field: and it's crawling with #ifdefs
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ascii_field: already weights most of what bitcoin weighs holy shit
mod6: haha, 1 month of standby time
ascii_field: compact?!!!!
punkman: well compared to opensssl it's tiny
ascii_field: and compared to winblowz - tinier still
ascii_field: but it's a massive turd
mod6: to make it 'v'-ifiable we basically need to write our own.
punkman: do we need anything other than ECC when openssl goes on chopping block?
ascii_field: aes if you wanna use old wallets
ascii_field: that's it
punkman: and hashing?
ascii_field: sha aha
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punkman: I think I might try to make some kind of hand-cranked Ada tx signer
jurov: some libs do exist
jurov: in ada
punkman: you mean the Ada-Crypto-Library?
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: all i found was crud with c callouts
ascii_field: because that SO MAKES SENSE - somehow
ascii_field: (i guess to folks who were dropped when children?)
punkman: ascii_field: didn't find any C in this but didn't look hard https://github.com/cforler/Ada-Crypto-Library
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mod6: was just digging in there punkman
ascii_field: notbad
mod6: i need to get up to speed on ADA
ascii_field puts the thing on list for butcher block
mircea_popescu: mod6 apparently it can make code that can be pulled into c
ascii_field: all gcc .o can be linked together !
ascii_field: this is elementary
ascii_field: gcc doesn't give a flying fuck whether c, cpp, fortran, ada, objc
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ascii_field: caveat is that you oughtn't expect cpp tardisms (weird data structures) to port
ascii_field: but other than this, if you stick to machine types, works
mod6: i think since that post, we talked about changing 'build' to 'rotor'. thoughts?
mircea_popescu: can see it.
punkman: /me prefers less cryptic names overall
mod6: ok cool
mod6: i think 'build' is sort of non-ambigious
punkman: seals vs sigs for example
mod6: i like the idea of a seal in that example though, because its like an official embossment.
mod6: i stamp out a seal.
jurov: also, the shit directory is going to actually contain the blobs?
mod6: i guess it could/might have to -- this alteration will change the way we build everything currently.
jurov: even if they were v-ifiable, i'd prefer to split them
ascii_field: blobs ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-12-2015#1350682 << binary in bin ; source in src ; shit in shit. stick to it, live long and be happy.
assbot: Logged on 22-12-2015 21:37:00; ascii_field: bitcoin/bin
jurov: "The shit: BDB, Boost, OpenSSL & the MANIFEST for turds"
mod6: they'd be like: bitcoin/shit/openssl/ bitcoin/shit/bdb/ bitcoin/shit/openssl/ or are you saying something different about splitting jurov ?
jurov: ^ i read it as "the tarballs"
BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> BingoBoingo et al ^^ qntra ? << will read
mircea_popescu: turdballs lol
jurov: oh it's going to be all unpacked there?
ascii_field: !s turdballs
assbot: 3 results for 'turdballs' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=turdballs
mod6: <+jurov> oh it's going to be all unpacked there? << yeah, perhaps not. currently i extract & build all that stuff under 'rotor'. i guess shit should just be: <+jurov> "The shit: BDB, Boost, OpenSSL & the MANIFEST for turds" <- this stuff the turdballs and the manifest.
mod6: then the build script can move that stuff over as needed?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-12-2015#1350700 <<< bringing up roger ver is not so unlike trying to bring up the original bruce. the guy's a muppet.
assbot: Logged on 22-12-2015 21:52:39; ascii_field: l0l waitasec they're ph0rk3d nice & proper already ?
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> nyooz to me << You gotta listen to KMOX in the car. Keeps you up with fiat paranoia
mircea_popescu: in this case, he's discussing "the testnet", which is another way of saying "the ducklings in his bath"
jurov: mod6 depends if wwe're going to vpatch these, too
mod6: "these" as in 'V'-ifiy the turds?
mod6: we're not going to do that, we're just gonna create a manifest with their proper SHA512 hashes.
jurov: and what part of the directory structure will come from v press?
mircea_popescu: word mod6
jurov: if all of it, then obv the turdballs will live out of it
mod6: the whole thing
mircea_popescu: this "patches get sigils, shit gets a serial number" approach very neatly and intuitively draws the all-important difference.
mircea_popescu: people kept saying in log how they don't wanna sign the crap. and i readily see why.
trinque: jurov: the turdballs don't have to be vpatched to get put into directories which were created via vpatch
trinque: distfiles/.keep or whatever
trinque: or better yet distfiles/README
trinque: I'm sorry, shit/README
mircea_popescu: trinque brace yourself for when this, like so many other b-a originated crazy, actually takes over your life and you start renaming dirs to /shit/ in githobs.
trinque: heh, it will undoubtably come
mod6: so i think jurov has a good question; if we don't drop the turdballs into V, which we're not, and the MANIFEST is the only thing in the 'shit' directory that is pressed out by 'V', where do the tarballs come from?
mod6: They will be mirrored on thebitcoin.foundation.
jurov: and other mirrors
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.00049844 = 8.0747 BTC [+]
mod6: sure.
mod6: does this all sound okie dokie then?
mod6: and beyond this with V, if we create a 'Compact Disk' of all of this, we can just stick the trinity of turds in 'shit' along with buildroot and whatever it needs.
mod6: or something to that effect. we can cross that bridge later.
mod6: anyway, thanks all. good talk. bbs.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10466 @ 0.00049409 = 5.1711 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00049516 = 3.7632 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11944 @ 0.00049516 = 5.9142 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 22-12-2015 22:40:28; mircea_popescu: this "patches get sigils, shit gets a serial number" approach very neatly and intuitively draws the all-important difference.
assbot: Logged on 20-12-2015 22:05:32; asciilifeform: v the tarball hashes.
assbot: Logged on 22-12-2015 22:43:02; mod6: so i think jurov has a good question; if we don't drop the turdballs into V, which we're not, and the MANIFEST is the only thing in the 'shit' directory that is pressed out by 'V', where do the tarballs come from?
ascii_field: which, incidentally, also ought to contain other useful goodies
ascii_field: e.g., pubkeys
ascii_field: and possibly blog mirrors for some folks
ascii_field: (anyone game?)
ascii_field: and other items enemy might like to magick away one day
ascii_field: or silently diddle
ascii_field: said disk also being, naturally, bootable
ascii_field: and containing src for all of itself.
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell BingoBoingo q to the n to the t to the r to the a : http://dpaste.com/11VM9F8.txt
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: It's Hussein Bahamas, not Barry
pete_dushenski: i like the alliteration
pete_dushenski: also, 'barry bahamas' sounds closer to godawful floral silk t-shirt maker 'tommy bahamas'
pete_dushenski: which is also, conveniently, from hawaii
BingoBoingo: But Barry hides his secret muslim history in Kenya and Chiraq
pete_dushenski: "Once upon a time, 4,000 to 8,000 years after humanity invented agriculture, something very strange happened to human reproduction. Across the globe, for every 17 women who were reproducing, passing on genes that are still around today—only one man did the same."
pete_dushenski: ""It wasn't like there was a mass death of males. They were there, so what were they doing?" asks Melissa Wilson Sayres, a computational biologist at Arizona State University, and a member of a group of scientists who uncovered this moment in prehistory by analyzing modern genes."
pete_dushenski: ^bwahahaha
pete_dushenski: "where did all the dicks go ?! it's like a virus killed them all !"
pete_dushenski: yes, hun, the virus is called
pete_dushenski: 'stupidity'
pete_dushenski: try not to catch, wouldja
pete_dushenski: catch it*
pete_dushenski: or maybe that, with agriculture, came larger communities and more ready revelation of inherent inequalities between men
pete_dushenski: before women could only choose from the losers in their little band or tribe.
pete_dushenski: but in cities, they could pick from the cream of the crop !
deedbot-: [Qntra] Clinton Sells Nuking Math - http://qntra.net/2015/12/clinton-sells-nuking-math/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28600 @ 0.00049397 = 14.1275 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: Chemical tanker truck bursts, spews nauseous orange fumes near playground (VIDEO) — RT News ... ( http://bit.ly/1NBpiwW )
BingoBoingo: That tree prolly isn't going to make it
BingoBoingo: ;;ud bfrc
gribble: Google found nothing.
assbot: PSA: faction-wide buffs are determined by the INT and WIS of your faction's leaders. Please stop electing faction leaders on the basis of CHA. : outside ... ( http://bit.ly/1NBqikI )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18441 @ 0.00049343 = 9.0993 BTC [-]
punkman: what, obama had charisma? or maybe trump does?
BingoBoingo: trump does. he's a tv show
BingoBoingo forced that edit on pete_dushenski because gotta dehumanize politicians even if they seem lulzy atm
BingoBoingo: From mines: "5 minutes after crossing the bridge I got out of my meditative trance and thought for the first time "Where the hell am I?" And then I sort of panicked. There were no signs or people around, just muddy countryside. Having seen all the documentaries and read all the articles about North Korea, I prayed I had not just inadvertently wandered into the Hermit Kingdom. And still the idea was so laughable, I seriously didn't
BingoBoingo: believe it would have been that simple to cross into and keep going without being stopped. But out of panic I turned around and walked back to the bridge telling myself I was a paranoid pussy. I called my friend on the phone walking back and told him where I walked roughly and he just screamed at me to "STOP TALKING AND RUN BACK ACROSS THE BRIDGE NOW"."
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 435.04, Best ask: 435.54, Bid-ask spread: 0.50000, Last trade: 435.62, 24 hour volume: 18399.5069656, 24 hour low: 433.0, 24 hour high: 443.64, 24 hour vwap: None
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00049452 = 5.7612 BTC [+] {2}
danielpbarron: http://hackingdistributed.com/2015/12/22/bitcoin-runs-on-altruism/ >> Luckily, most of them are so heavily invested in cryptocurrencies that the best they could afford was a Mosin Nagant, a measly relic, Soviet war surplus direct from Stalingrad. << someone reads the log!
assbot: Bitcoin Runs On Altruism ... ( http://bit.ly/1QK0uXl )
asciilifeform: the lulzy part is that the nagant in the logs is ~not~ the mosin-nagant
asciilifeform: but the nagant revolver.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33902 @ 0.00049579 = 16.8083 BTC [+] {3}
asciilifeform: also an arshin is an imperial ru measure
asciilifeform: and not 'commie' in any sense
asciilifeform quits reading the nonsense
pete_dushenski: !up kanzure
pete_dushenski: heya bryan bishop
pete_dushenski: how go the 'capacity increases' ?
kanzure: sup
pete_dushenski: https://archive.is/FyOlf << more caucasians ditching usdollar
assbot: Azerbaijani Manat Buckles After Government Drops Dollar Peg - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1mg9A0J )
pete_dushenski: !gettrust kanzure
assbot: Trust relationship from user pete_dushenski to user kanzure: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=pete_dushenski&to=kanzure | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/kanzure/
pete_dushenski: !gettrust midnightmagic
assbot: Trust relationship from user pete_dushenski to user midnightmagic: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 2 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=pete_dushenski&to=midnightmagic | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/midnightmagic/
pete_dushenski: ^another bigger blockhead, apparently
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2015 02:02:19; midnightmagic: dude. seriously plotting or fomenting the physical murder of the USG is sedition, insurrection, and various related crimes and there's no fucking way I'm interested in being associated with it just because I'm lurking in here.
pete_dushenski: !gettrust dexx7
assbot: Trust relationship from user pete_dushenski to user dexx7: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=pete_dushenski&to=dexx7 | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/dexx7/
pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: heh. quite related.
pete_dushenski a sa petite famille
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00049588 = 5.4547 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: !up desantis
mircea_popescu: <mod6> does this all sound okie dokie then? << far as i can tell ye
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> and possibly blog mirrors for some folks << actually i'm writing a major piece for trilema, bbs.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47900 @ 0.00049318 = 23.6233 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24450 @ 0.00049606 = 12.1287 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 437.34, Best ask: 437.69, Bid-ask spread: 0.35000, Last trade: 437.69, 24 hour volume: 18711.95214868, 24 hour low: 433.0, 24 hour high: 443.64, 24 hour vwap: None
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.00049552 = 11.7438 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: incidentally, zoolag is under heavy and modestly-clever ddos
asciilifeform: motherfucking aws.
asciilifeform: i'ma nullroute aws on all of my nodez. as soon as i can be bothered to make an exhaustive list of the ranges.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48700 @ 0.0004933 = 24.0237 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29500 @ 0.00049286 = 14.5394 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.0004959 = 2.6779 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: AWS Public IP Address Ranges Now Available in JSON Form | AWS Official Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/22p5gNR )
mod6: nice
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i had quite a shit-adventure with that
asciilifeform: found a script somewhere that fetches that thing and crunches to iptables
asciilifeform: aaaaand it needs 'jq'
asciilifeform: which 1) is not available as a binary package on centos (which the node i was testing on, runs)
asciilifeform: 2) WILL NOT MOTHERFUCKING BUILD
asciilifeform: configure.ac:10: error: Autoconf version 2.64 or higher is required
assbot: corbanworks/aws-blocker · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/22p5BQs )
asciilifeform: and no i don't feel like writing a json parser
asciilifeform: whole thing can go to hell.
mircea_popescu: just pipe it from json to iptables -A INPUT -s x -j DROP through your favourite perl ?
mircea_popescu: which i take to be python ?
asciilifeform: yea eventually
mircea_popescu: cross the globe, for every 17 women who were reproducing, passing on genes that are still around today—only one man did the same." <<< no mammal population survives that doesn't do some sort of female herding of this kind.
mircea_popescu: the one man - one woman puritan nonsense is just that. nonsense.
assbot: Continut platit no more. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/22p64T1 )
mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/QMjMw7F.gifv << that looks like nitrogen, which isn't really much of a health hazard.
asciilifeform: also holy shit i read the title and assumed it was a snarky ru-eng pun but it wasn't
asciilifeform: and nitrogen ain't brown
deedbot-: [Trilema] Continut platit no more. - http://trilema.com/2015/continut-platit-no-more/
asciilifeform: looks like NO2
mircea_popescu: lol bitcoin runs on altruism. it's gotten so bad by now you can identify idiots by the simple rule that they'll use the word "altruism".
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41100 @ 0.00049685 = 20.4205 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: nitrogen [oxide] whatevs!
mircea_popescu: "It has become a commonly repeated mantra, among extreme libertarian Bitcoin cultists, that "if Bitcoin relies on altruism, then it has already failed."" <<< wutever the fuck ?
mircea_popescu: ;;google "if Bitcoin relies on altruism, then it has already failed."
gribble: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT Fork - Mailing Lists: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010238.html>; Satoshi Nakamoto Speaks? Bitcoin XT Fork Debate Allegedly Draws ...: <http://cointelegraph.com/news/115139/satoshi-nakamoto-speaks-bitcoin-xt-fork-debate-allegedly-draws-ire-of-bitcoin-creator>; The P + epsilon Attack - Ethereum Blog: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: oh, those schmucks.
mircea_popescu: mmmmkay.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, b,tmsr~ still runs its deficits. this has exactly nothing to do with "altruism", just like it has exactly nothing to do wit hthe rest of the nonsense spewed by the decaying latrine once known as "the west".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so will it go on the cd ??
asciilifeform: (and... will even fit ?)
BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform quits reading the nonsense << Then you miss "Full nodes could record and release or sell the IP addresses of their SPV clients, in a large breach of privacy. That they do not do this is incredibly nice of them."
asciilifeform: oh ferfuxxsake
asciilifeform: do we need the verbal equivalents of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-12-2015#1350875 for anything.
assbot: Logged on 23-12-2015 00:32:31; BingoBoingo: Not safe for lyf https://i.sli.mg/axoRhp.jpg
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it won't fit on one cd. or one dvd for that matter.
mircea_popescu: maybe if you snip the pics.
asciilifeform would buy the 'simtel'-style disk set if mircea_popescu sold
asciilifeform: incidentally al schwartz did this
asciilifeform: and i saved pennies as a boy and bought.
asciilifeform: still have'em.
asciilifeform: (floppies!!)
mircea_popescu: ibelieveit.
asciilifeform: funny, i never bought the btc token thing. but WOULD snap up the disk..
mircea_popescu: i briefly considered printing and selling book versions. however a) it's truly an immense volume of material. even if you made yearly volumes, you'd have multi thousand page tomes.
mircea_popescu: and more importantly b) fucking hell paper, how do you click ?
asciilifeform: aha this was why uncle al never printed
asciilifeform: these 2 reasons exactly
mircea_popescu: brb ima run wordcount.
mircea_popescu: 1267814.
asciilifeform: incl. quoted text ?
mircea_popescu: well... articles as-are.
mircea_popescu: hmm this is suspicious.
mircea_popescu: mno, 1.26mn words IN COMMENTS.
mircea_popescu: 10`896`842 words in articles excluding [most] of the quoted content.
mircea_popescu: 12573089 otherwise.
mircea_popescu: and 2gb worth of images.
mircea_popescu: so i suppose it'd fit on a dvd if not a cd per se.
assbot: CD Replication Line: Making a CD - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/22p8hO6 )
asciilifeform: ^ for anyone who has not seen such a thing
mircea_popescu: there were some pretty huge factories in bulgaria back in the 90s
mircea_popescu: big bidnis.
asciilifeform: iirc india has the market cornered now.
mircea_popescu: the chinese govt would rather not see the retarded shit in their domain
mircea_popescu: so that leaves the other swamp.
asciilifeform: sorta sad, the kind of crud that ends up on pressed cd
BingoBoingo: Things Linus surrended the ability to say https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=145082406231205&w=2
assbot: 'Re: text-mode gui' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/22p8yk0 )
mircea_popescu: who names a bar "cheers" ?
asciilifeform: considering that pressed cd is possibly one of longest lived storage devices known today
mircea_popescu: heh. trilema comes back online, next you know there's 230mb worth of access logs. BECAUSE ADDICTS! ADDICTS EVERYWHERE!
asciilifeform can finally delete tor...
mircea_popescu: lolwut ?
asciilifeform: well it was for 1 thing only, l0l
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha\
asciilifeform mooching louse, aha
mircea_popescu: !rate asciilifeform -9000 you wouldn't download a car!
assbot: Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10.
assbot: Disc Manufacturing, Inc plant tour circa 1995 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/22p98OX )
mircea_popescu to... bed, let's call it thus.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26900 @ 0.00049286 = 13.2579 BTC [-]
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