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BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 333.0, Best ask: 333.04, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last trade: 333.04, 24 hour volume: 27213.2680636, 24 hour low: 318.31, 24 hour high: 335.33, 24 hour vwap: None
assbot: Maddox vs Penn & Teller: My take on their bullshit ... ( http://bit.ly/1OsUP4f )
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assbot: Exclusive: Green Light or No, Nest Cam Never Stops Running | The Security Ledger ... ( http://bit.ly/1IiAqKv )
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assbot: Germany 2-Year Bond Yield - Investing.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1MSTPUm )
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jurov: even slovakistan bonds went negative
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assbot: Beware, latest Windows 10 Update may remove programs automatically - gHacks Tech News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sm2jHh )
jurov: "Others report that programs like CPU-Z, AMD Catalyst Control Center or CPUID were removed as well during the upgrade."
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fluffypony: jurov: Microsoft is just looking out for its users
fluffypony: making sure they don't run dangerous programs like the AMD CCC
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jurov: ;;ticker --currency eur
gribble: Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
jurov: ;;ticker -
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the code (1 more message)
jurov: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 354.51, Best ask: 354.97, Bid-ask spread: 0.46000, Last trade: 354.51, 24 hour volume: 42328.78470226, 24 hour low: 324.21, 24 hour high: 356.72, 24 hour vwap: None
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PeterL: Happy Thanksgiving!
PeterL: So, I got a new job. if anybody needs any chemical analysis done http://www.impactanalytical.com/
assbot: Impact Analytical - Analytical Testing Lab ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nee4PV )
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mircea_popescu: "Cuccias said that Nest Cam uses 128-bit SSL encryption, Perfect Forward Secrecy and a 2048-bit RSA key that is unique to each camera. “This ensures that videos are not accessible, even over open WiFi networks. That said, customers can always see the status of their camera through the Nest app,” "
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7644 @ 0.00050203 = 3.8375 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: good god.
mircea_popescu: punkman you know how bond yields work right ?
mircea_popescu: PeterL you could prolly make a killing doing analysis for teh "darknet" pillheads.
PeterL: I guess if they are willing to pay to get the stuff through the darknet, they should be willing to pay to get it tested
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is "350 years of combined experience".
PeterL: I don't know why people think combining years of experience means anything
mircea_popescu: PeterL afaik anyone who's not a tard tests the first batch from a new vendor.
mircea_popescu: obviously vendors also know this, but anyway
PeterL: well, wanting to test it and having the ability to test it are two separate things
mircea_popescu: PeterL it's a necessary next step from thinking combining people's votes yields a valuable result.
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PeterL: perhaps average years experience would mean something, maybe minimum years experience, but total years experience is useless
mircea_popescu: PeterL anyway, dunno how close you are to management / how tolerant of redditards your strategy is, but - you could even be proactive about it. register on whatever social medias they frequent as "the lab", do some testing even on your own dime at first to establish rep,
mircea_popescu: it's a very low moat business. no idea how lucrative, but establishing a "stellar" reputation and pushing everyone else takes months, on account of how dumbassly undependable they all are.
PeterL: I basically report directly to the company president, it is a small company
mircea_popescu: so have a chat, he prolly doesn't know.
mircea_popescu: can evaluate if he wants to be in it or not on his own.
mircea_popescu: make him a nice file, explain it all, takes you maybe 3-4 hours of your time will make him want to promote you.
PeterL: my initial thought is we want to stay far away from derpy reditards, but I could be wrong
mircea_popescu: as yhou're not the boss it is not your job to make that call.
mircea_popescu: it COULD be your job to make him support materials to make the call, tho
mircea_popescu: seeing how the us is full of wanna-be callmakers and practically empty of actual workers doing the actual work of callmaking.
PeterL: I'm off to find breakfast
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punkman: mircea_popescu: punkman you know how bond yields work right ? << not really
mircea_popescu: let's start with an example from the 1800s, on trilema : "Că d-l Grigorescu, șeful direcției contabilității din Ministerul de Finanțe, va pleca la Berlin, Viena și Frankfurt în scopul de-a plasa rentă 5 la sută română pe prețul de 75 suta ?"
mircea_popescu: so, the guy went to place, ie sell, romanian bonds paying 5% for 75 cents to the dollar.
mircea_popescu: now, if you put in 75 cents t obuy a dollar of this, at the end of the year you will be paid either nothing or 105. which means that your yield will have been (105-75)/75 ie just about 50%.
mircea_popescu: conversely, if for whatever reason (such as horrible insecurity everywhere else in europe, while romania's sterling cannons guarantee it'll be fine), you decide to pay 106 cents for the dollar, your yiedl will be
mircea_popescu: (105-106)/105 = -1%
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punkman: why does guy decide to pay 106 cents for 105 cents a year later?
mircea_popescu: because gold has a cost of carrying.
mircea_popescu: unlike bitcoin, strong money of any other kind decays over time
mircea_popescu: (bitcoin unintelligently transformed its already minor cost into a disasters of commons situation, due to the fact that satoshi had about as much financial experience as a holywood star. but anyway.)
punkman: does german bank charge the guy to keep 106 cents in his account?
mircea_popescu: most of these investors can not legally keep money in local bank accounts.
mircea_popescu: obviously that situation won't be permanent.
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assbot: Logged on 26-11-2015 03:05:20; asciilifeform: one cloaka, even for mains power
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00050585 = 7.7395 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: punkman: again, this is their 'low-end' box
punkman: asciilifeform: surprised at how small it is
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-11-2015#1331873 << what did mircea_popescu mean by this? i bet there is a whole article buried in this observation, and i would like to read it
assbot: Logged on 26-11-2015 15:00:55; mircea_popescu: (bitcoin unintelligently transformed its already minor cost into a disasters of commons situation, due to the fact that satoshi had about as much financial experience as a holywood star. but anyway.)
punkman: it's not arm is it?
asciilifeform: punkman: no
asciilifeform: punkman: x86-64 box like the rest of the line
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-11-2015#1331841 << firms like this have, iirc, existed for a while. i've always wondered what keeps usg from busting them for 'possession'
assbot: Logged on 26-11-2015 14:15:09; mircea_popescu: PeterL you could prolly make a killing doing analysis for teh "darknet" pillheads.
asciilifeform: (my guess would be the eleventh commandment, 'not caught - not thief')
punkman: afaik there is only one place that takes anonymous drug samples via mail, and it's run by Erowid and some nonprofits
punkman: (in the US)
punkman: "EcstasyData.org collects lab testing results from a variety of organizations, but primarily commissions its own tests conducted by Drug Detection Lab (DDL) in Sacramento. All samples submitted to EcstasyData are done so by mail and we have no physical, on-site analysis presence. We are also interested in helping other groups publish and manage their testing data."
punkman: random derps can't get tests unless they know a guy
punkman: and the guy must work in DEA-licensed lab
pete_dushenski: well, what CAN random derps do without knowing a guy ? buy shoelaces ?
punkman: and mcplastic
pete_dushenski: ohthatsright.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: pretty much the entire set of things that i do.
asciilifeform: because - elementarily - i don't 'know a guy'
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asciilifeform: and neither do the folks i know.
pete_dushenski: so groceries, rent, ebayz.
asciilifeform: this plus the set of surplus shops, etc. that can be seen with the naked eye in meatspace.
asciilifeform: but yes.
pete_dushenski: given that ebay has its own reputation system, you can, over time, get to 'know a guy'
asciilifeform tried using the classic otc site on at least five separate occasions but never succeeded in either buying or selling so much as a nut or a bolt there
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: aha, bordering on 20 yrs of ebay. but that isn't how it works.
pete_dushenski: groceries, less so, if using supermarket. for rent, you could also know a guy, but obviously not pre-req
asciilifeform: pretty much ZERO of my transactions are repeats (with same seller/buyer)
pete_dushenski: because you never need the same thing twice ?
asciilifeform: typically if i need 'the same thing twice' i open the crate and take out another.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform consider the situation : with gold, the responsibility for keeping gold secure indivisibly rests with its owner. either you build a vault and pay guards, or else you don't own it.
mircea_popescu: consequently, depending on your efficiency, you'll be spending a coin every X interval off the hoard.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i normally buy rarities there that it is physically impossible to obtain in any other way short of a journey around the globe in person
mircea_popescu: with bitcoin, the responsibility for keeping everyone's gold secure rests not with the owners, but with the.... miners!
mircea_popescu: what happens to gold when no more mining is possible ? (as you know, gold is finite in the universe)
mircea_popescu: not much.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: aha. also because you've the capital necessary to buy in bulk, so you do.
mircea_popescu: what happens to bitcoin should reward halving run into an impossibility to finance further mining ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and what of the asymptote ?
mircea_popescu: at some certain future point it becomes more lucrative for the owner of mining gear to "start a new bitcoin" than to continue adding to this chain.
mircea_popescu: asymptotes are what idiots think of the world.
mircea_popescu: hence my comment re satoshi.
mircea_popescu: there are no asymptotes in nature.
mircea_popescu: just phase transitions.
asciilifeform: did somebody settle the proton decay thing while i was asleep ?
mircea_popescu: phase.transition.
asciilifeform: where is the logical flaw in 'classic btc is schelling point for carve-of-all-value' --> asymptote ?
mircea_popescu: in that <mircea_popescu> at some certain future point it becomes more lucrative for the owner of mining gear to "start a new bitcoin" than to continue adding to this chain.
asciilifeform: then the predicate does not hold ?
asciilifeform: btc is not schelling point ?
mircea_popescu: the usgtards like to act as if that future point is here, because they're too enamoured of the swamp they inhabit.
mircea_popescu: which is why all the vc bullshit that keeps missing bitcoin by a mile
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the fact they're dumb doesn't mean the bait ain't there.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's your definition of "schelling point" ? doesn't have to be immutable, does it?
asciilifeform: i still don't see how an altcoin could ever be an appealing thing other than to idiots and looters, assuming a still-functioning (if asymptotically-rewardless) classic btc
pete_dushenski: 'ever' is a long time.
mircea_popescu: but these are looters.
mircea_popescu: by definition. as they aren't owners, the only thing they can be is looters.
asciilifeform suddenly grasps where mircea_popescu was going
asciilifeform: eventually the miners - defect.
mircea_popescu: you aware of what "disaster of commons" means ?
asciilifeform isn't even entirely convinced that this has not already happened
mircea_popescu: it just reproduces the same generational conflict that's present in society ever since forever.
pete_dushenski hopes he is long since dead when miners defect.
mircea_popescu: kinda proof that it's a realistic system
mircea_popescu: it necessarily can't happen yet.
mircea_popescu: it will happen like the collapse of the us happened : once everyone agrees it's not possibru.
mircea_popescu: even you.
mircea_popescu: that's the sign.
asciilifeform: miner defection might take longer than anticipated if mining begins to have a 'noblesse oblige' component, vs. straight +ev commercial motivation
asciilifeform: that is, if we actually see a transition to feudalism, like so many folks salivate for
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asciilifeform: (fwiw the subject has no emotional button push for me, because i don't expect to last for as long as five seconds under feudalism)
mircea_popescu: why not ?
asciilifeform: because - what was the term mircea_popescu used - ...
mircea_popescu: but anyway, in proper (ie, macroeconomic) terms, this consideration is the reason, ie the absolute driver, of why society will reorganise into feudalism.
asciilifeform: 'have own legs'
asciilifeform: or what was it
mircea_popescu: gotta protect the bitcoin. both in this angle and in the angle kako was discussing yest.
asciilifeform: oh i've no doubt that it ~will~
asciilifeform: just that this is of approx. the same interest to me personally as the long-term dwarf phases of sol
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know feudalism is safer for the slaves than even socialism. certainly than capitalism.
mircea_popescu: the only way people could be moved off the good policy to the shitty one was the garglwe of "rights" and shit
asciilifeform: but nowhere is it written that the old slaves are somehow smoothly converted into new-style slaves.
asciilifeform: most of the old slaves, as we both know, are worth their joules in diesel
mircea_popescu: that's what the wot/b-a is for.
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i did not say 'wot is useless' but that i in particular do not - as demonstrated experimentally not long ago - command particularly much market value there.
pete_dushenski: market value != value !
asciilifeform: hence the 'five seconds under feudalism' note.
mircea_popescu: methinks you connected this diode backwards.
asciilifeform: how's that
asciilifeform: now let's suppose that mircea_popescu is ultimately right about 'ride horses, throw out computer' and folks like me are not at all needed in the future. but let's try to imagine, e.g., a surgeon, trying to keep himself fed and clothed using b-a wot...
mircea_popescu: your diode's still plunked in backwards.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: i did not say 'wot is useless' but that i in particular do not - as demonstrated experimentally not long ago - command particularly much market value there. << the idea is not that you command anything. the conversion from postmodern derp to feudal subject is not done under the control of the derp.
asciilifeform: aha. ergo 'not even last five seconds'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu does not appear to actually disagree?
mircea_popescu: let's work an example with sluts, easier to take women as objects than yourself as an object.
asciilifeform: i'm perfectly fine with self as object
asciilifeform: considering that the original observation was about my reserved spot in the diesel tank.
mircea_popescu: stop telling yourself that. how would you know.
mircea_popescu: so the year is 1988. the persons are a well connected mobster and a youthful rose. she is in a terminal year at university, studying to be a soviet state company accountant. he just came back from dubai.
mircea_popescu: her : "even if you are right about where this shit's headed, i would not last five seconds"
mircea_popescu: him : "and why not ?"
mircea_popescu: her : "you already said no company ever needs a soviet accountant".
mircea_popescu: him : "honey... "
mircea_popescu: her : "and besides, that webcam site was not even in russian"
mircea_popescu: him : "So ?!"
asciilifeform: aha but spurious analogy - youthful rose has ~other assets~
mircea_popescu: her : "so how the fuck would i manage my transition!111!"
mircea_popescu: every object has other assets. THIS is what it means to be an object.
mircea_popescu: you understand ? tools have their mass, which means microscope is perfectly usable hammer.
asciilifeform: aha, sometimes it has great potential as fuel
mircea_popescu: only subjects exhibit this bizarro narrowness
mircea_popescu: as a macula of their true state : they don't exist.
asciilifeform: microscope is actually a terrible hammer. the reason i am so fond of the image is that i actually used it as one as a boy
asciilifeform: before knowing of the old book
mircea_popescu: that dun figure for shit.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu inhabits this peculiar mental universe where everybody (with possible exception of himself) is a malleable chick
mircea_popescu: the important point in that comparison is that her transition is NOT going to be managed by her
mircea_popescu: or by her mom. or by anyone she knows.
mircea_popescu: and it won't be in her control.
mircea_popescu: survival of soviet families depended on HOW connected they were, nothing else.
mircea_popescu: hence, that's what the b-a is for.
asciilifeform: tell this to moiety ?
mircea_popescu: why should i care to ?
asciilifeform: no reason
asciilifeform: thing is, b-a as we have it today (at least as far as my naked eye can see) is not feudalism and not even ru mob
asciilifeform: in that the latter ~did~ do the whole employment thing
mircea_popescu: the "ru mob" appeared long after 1988
mircea_popescu: it's a creation of 1998 not of 1988
asciilifeform: actually it grew straight from the 'cooperativ' thing in '80s
mircea_popescu: in 1988 all you had was a bunch of sovietards.
asciilifeform: (they were a prey base for it)
asciilifeform: aha and what does mob eat!
asciilifeform: if not their flesh
mircea_popescu: cow does not grow "Straight from grass".
asciilifeform: well in that sense, no.
mircea_popescu: and, again, the most important predictor for the effects of digestion was...
mircea_popescu: how connected. thatssal..
asciilifeform: back to my original point, i don't see any reason why folks like me will fare any better under this collapse than they did under sovcollapse
mircea_popescu: depends on what "folks like me" means. if it means, folks who stubbornly live in moscow and work for the state, you're right.
asciilifeform: you mean, stubbornly insist on doing physics instead of peddling dope
mircea_popescu: simple heuristic : nobody who paid his taxes for 1989 ever had any money, nor did his children have a chance that was in any way connected to them. black fucking holes of dumb.
mircea_popescu: the only people who did something of themselves were the ones who didn't.
asciilifeform: this is a historic fact.
asciilifeform: and yet i see the loss of the physics/maths/etc. as a historic calamity, and it boggles my mind that any cultured man would disagree
asciilifeform: but then again mircea_popescu personally burned library of alexandria so go figure.
trinque: are there different classes of acts of futility, some of them being worthwhile?
trinque: "peddling dope" such that one has a surplus from the dope is the exact first step towards having any time to do these higher minded "honorable" tasks or whatever
asciilifeform: trinque: show me the great theorems of the mexican dope cartels
trinque: give them time.
asciilifeform: take me to their particle accelerator.
asciilifeform: at best, result will look like rome
asciilifeform: spiffy architecture and good org but precious little science and not even particularly much poetry.
trinque: I think you overlook the question of what kind of a mind is required to manage these vast enterprises
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asciilifeform: trinque: now your diode is in the wrong way
asciilifeform: a man like, e.g., escobar, may have been a first class cultured mind
asciilifeform: but how many escobars.
asciilifeform: and how many scum who are good at precisely one thing.
trinque: the proof is in the dope pudding.
trinque: lol, management of a large business is no sort of "one thing"
asciilifeform: and how much room in the general sense for something like noncommutative algebra, in 'dope world.'
trinque: when a man has a problem requiring it, it will have a price in that world
asciilifeform: trinque: boolean algebra sat for ~150 yrs before anyone remotely conceived of a 'problem requiring it'
asciilifeform: well, more like 100
asciilifeform: but do you see the idea here ?
trinque: so what, we needed a boolean algebra stalin to speed that up at the expense of someting else?
trinque: I do not
trinque: or, I do and disagree with it
asciilifeform: trinque: the idea is that it existed as a -ev flourish on culture, like poetry.
asciilifeform: was able to exist.
trinque: the problem of having leaders with nothing exciting enough to do that it requires new science is a primary problem from which other terrible problems flow
asciilifeform: wai wut?!
trinque: exactly that.
asciilifeform: and where did stalin come in ? i must've woken up in some parallel universe ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what historical event isn't a historical calamity ?
asciilifeform puts on sophistry gas mask with fresh cylinder
mircea_popescu: i dunno what cultured means to you, but there's something definitely wrong with the archeologist who goes to the local court to file a restraining order against this one long extinct tribe for having broken all the pots of this other one.
asciilifeform: ineffectual nuttery is ineffectual, newz at 11 ?
mircea_popescu: so then what calamity ? "historical calamity" or "they got what they had coming", exactly the same thing.
mircea_popescu: or in other news, if your dad wanted some intromission advice from you when doing your mom, he'd probably have asked.
mircea_popescu: as it happens... he didn't.
asciilifeform: possibly 'cultured' is best illustrated with positive example - like that ss colonel who happily presided over firing squads but would not permit rare plant collection in captured ru institute to be burned
mircea_popescu: their fucking library! they made it, they burned it! what's it to you ?
assbot: Logged on 05-11-2015 23:41:44; mircea_popescu: the russians got steel plants faster with stalin then they'd have without.
trinque: you say "something should've been done!" in response to boolean algebra sitting there
trinque: by whom? and what?
asciilifeform: trinque: i happen to think that 'without', ru would live in the same place as the incas
mircea_popescu: this is rather likely.
asciilifeform: which is to say, eaten up by folks ~with~.
mircea_popescu: incidentally : incas were prolly the most socialist tards alive, because they managed to split up, the inca owned everything.
asciilifeform: aha they had almost textbook holhoz !
asciilifeform: blew my mind when i learned of it
mircea_popescu: funny how this works, makes me thing socialism is a constant, like the water table.
mircea_popescu: (in which case - the harem is really the perfect solution. mother-aged children are pretty uch the only human beings i ever knew to benefit from socialism. so make the harem, let the women be sisters, let society function.)
mircea_popescu: kinda what the romans had, as it happens.
asciilifeform: trinque: somehow the point of the george boole example escaped you. the idea was that he had the freedom to do something other than immediately +ev practicalities.
mircea_popescu: "something other than immediately +ev practicalities" is the definition of insanity.
trinque: nothing escaped me; you were lamenting someone else not coming along and using his work
asciilifeform: trinque: nope.
mircea_popescu: that it sometimes works is a case-by-case type of argument, useless when one tries to argue class.
asciilifeform: trinque: was lamenting a planet where no one can be boole.
mircea_popescu: anyone can be boole in this sense, just close your eyes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pretty much everything i give half a fuck about, in that case, is a direct product of 'insanity'
mircea_popescu: myeah. this is a dangerous place to live in.
asciilifeform: and this would include all of what pretty much anybody thinks of as 'culture'
asciilifeform: (why write down how you clobbered the $derptribe? smearing ink on paper is -ev!)
mircea_popescu: it's only -ev if you have NO INDEPENDENT MEANS OF SUPPORT
mircea_popescu: why the fuck do you think it's the samurai rather than the peasant doing poetry ?
asciilifeform: the samurai failed to produce, e.g., a george boole.
asciilifeform: which is why we aren't speaking jp.
asciilifeform: this blade has two edges.
mircea_popescu: you damn near close did speak jp. so did plenty of chinese.
mircea_popescu: boole has zero to do with it.
mircea_popescu: how quickly we forget that it was actually japan that drove the harpoon into the great "western" whale.
mircea_popescu: how quickly we forget that china is to japan what the ipad is to the blackberry.
mircea_popescu: japan did better without boole than england did with.
asciilifeform: jp cribbed on the exam.
asciilifeform: does 'rengaku' ring a bell ?
mircea_popescu: everyone cribbed on the exam.
asciilifeform: but this is not what 'doing better without boole' means.
assbot: Rengaku - Wikipeetia, the misspelled encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1kVoV6X )
trinque wonders if asciilifeform thinks the Kievan Rus were better off without coming under Mongol administration, because of course the Mongols were savages.
asciilifeform: entirely without - would mean continuing in the 1600s jp state of the art, using only what was produced by noble self-sustaining (on the backs of the peasantry) samurai thinkers.
trinque: where were their equations?
asciilifeform: trinque: mongols, interestingly, ate up the culture of the folks they conquered
trinque: sure did!
trinque: cribbed!
mircea_popescu: "entirely without" is a meaningless conceit of no value of import, which you nevertheless desperately wish to have because it's a requisite pillar for the temple of nonsense you build and apparently invested yourself in.
mircea_popescu: the most obvious problem with it from your planet should be that it is cosubtantial with IP.
mircea_popescu: the mandatory googles that drm the environment "to protect the user" are exactly the same notion, coming from the same place, going to the same place.
asciilifeform: how's that
asciilifeform: btw i can't possibly dispute that anti-intellectual brutes eventually eat up the cultured folk. this is one of the most recurrent patterns in recorded history (greece swallowed by rome, chinese conquered by their sequence of barbarian waves, etc.)
asciilifeform: and also that we have just such a party scheduled for the near future
assbot: Logged on 26-11-2015 16:31:44; asciilifeform: (fwiw the subject has no emotional button push for me, because i don't expect to last for as long as five seconds under feudalism)
asciilifeform: see also mircea_popescu's mega-article on subj, http://trilema.com/2014/un-prophete
assbot: Un prophète on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1kVpnSF )
asciilifeform: the one with 'height of the tallest building'
asciilifeform: and the prisoners.
trinque: were the mongols - with their cultural assimilation technology - anti-intellectual?
asciilifeform: trinque: no more than, say, a bear is.
trinque: a bear does not assimilate the practices and knowledge of his meal!
asciilifeform: see, back to what mircea_popescu referred to as my 'temple of nonsense', intellectualism is this thing where some folk devote their whole lives to -ev folly like writing poetry or proving theorems
asciilifeform: this is paid for with stolen gold
asciilifeform: sometimes they steal it with own hands, sometimes a friend helps.
mircea_popescu: kidna incredible what my movie reviews end up
asciilifeform: (try to forget, for this example, the moral colour of word 'steal' - think of the sense in which we 'steal' milk from the cow, or samurai steals his XXXX koku of rice / yr. from the peasant)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform devoting your "whole life" to anything, be it some dumbass woman (hey - for every woman that you're willing to die for!!11 there is a dude somewhere who's sick of her dumb ass), or ideas, behaviours and whatnot is stupid writ large.
mircea_popescu: fuck a number of DIFFERENT women ; do a number of DIFFERENT things. eat variedly. die happily.
asciilifeform: hence the link to mircea_popescu's 'tallest building' essay
asciilifeform: for certain height of building you can only have if some fool 'devotes life.'
mircea_popescu: for some angle, not for some height.
mircea_popescu: there's no rush. we'll get there when we get there.
asciilifeform: wake me up when afghani goat computer is built.
asciilifeform: (you may need advanced necromancy, i intend to be quite dead then)
mircea_popescu: your life, use as you will.
mircea_popescu: if you wanna sleep till x, go right ahead.
asciilifeform: my whole point was that i don't ever expect to personally meet x.
mircea_popescu: well so then you're stuck arentcha.
asciilifeform: 'cause i don't breathe the liquid ammonia atmosphere of the planet where x lives
asciilifeform: but mircea_popescu does! which is cool.
mircea_popescu: people live everywhere people live, ya kno.
asciilifeform: aha but eskimo won't shave cunt.
asciilifeform: (as observed in earlier thread)
mircea_popescu: and ustards won't shut up about human rights.
mircea_popescu: and argentines are technologically gifted.
asciilifeform: idk, not much talk of 'hyoooman rightz!!1111' these days, it's all colour-specific
asciilifeform: ('black livez!!111')
mircea_popescu: i don't really distinguish.
asciilifeform: aha, to non-entomologist, what's ant, what's termite.
asciilifeform: just for so long as you aren't the one falling through the riddled floorboards.
mircea_popescu: "arthropod" and call it a day.
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assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1QJAJG4 )
pete_dushenski: "[mercs] stay largely because of the money, receiving salaries ranging from $2,000 to $3,000 a month, compared with approximately $400 a month they would make in Colombia. Those troops who deploy to Yemen will receive an additional $1,000 per week"
pete_dushenski: ~$12/day buys you top-notch domestic bodyguard in colombia. seems awfully reasonable.
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PeterL: If you pull up the source of a qntra page, it's about 150 lines. Yesterday I was on another news site, the source was over 4000 lines long. I am calling scam, qntra is cheating us on the lines per page!
PeterL: </sarcasm>
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pete_dushenski: ;;later tell gabrielradio. didja catch the 'don quixote' jazz on contravex ? anyways, here's a dramatical script if you're feeling ambitious : http://trilema.com/2012/sorana-comedie-bufa-intr-un-act/
assbot: Sorana - comedie bufa intr-un act on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OiRIxq )
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mircea_popescu: damn it assbot i was here first.
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assbot: Google deems Bernie Sanders' economic plan a 'phishing scam' - Washington Times ... ( http://bit.ly/21ivC3y )
mircea_popescu: on the apparently safe assumption that nobody has anything to say to anybody anywya
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mircea_popescu: “My plan would make Wall Street banks, profitable corporations, millionaires and billionaires pay their fair share of taxes. My plan would provide living wages for working people and ensure equal pay for women,” Mr. Sanders says, ticking off his plans to raise taxes by $1 trillion and spend it on infrastructure, guarantee free tuition at public colleges and universities, raise the minimum wage, raise Social Securit
mircea_popescu: y benefits and cut prices on prescription drugs.
mircea_popescu: ahaha win.
mircea_popescu: more of the same and less of everything, the socialist-democrat platform everywhere&para siempre!
mircea_popescu: !up CoraCrisT
assbot: Pirate needs 200,000 video views to avoid being sued - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1OtRh1x )
mircea_popescu: !up CoraCrisT
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thestringpuller: Fiat VCs are really suffering from the problem of too much money.
thestringpuller: It's almost sad in the Old Yeller kinda sense.
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thestringpuller: ;;later tell asciilifeform is it legit?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
CoraCrisT: hi folks
mircea_popescu: don't need to read past "the first".
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ben_vulpes: free tuition
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assbot: Pirate needs 200,000 video views to avoid being sued - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1NeONoM )
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> back to my original point, i don't see any reason why folks like me will fare any better under this collapse than they did under sovcollapse << /me imagines in the future alf getting kidnapped in duffel bag... then delivered to a hardware #b-a because has come to expect
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> spiffy architecture and good org but precious little science and not even particularly much poetry. << Narcocorridos!
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: this would make a great scene for alfdog the movie
thestringpuller: collapse happens, and alf is shoved into duffelbag and audience is thinking "Oh no the gasenwagen got him!"
thestringpuller: but then fade to black. And you have shot of duffelbag unzipping from inside
thestringpuller: and you see MP standing there "Got you out just in time!"
thestringpuller has been playing too much fallout
BingoBoingo: ;;google site:wikipeetia.org Rengaku
gribble: Endreas Cleier - Wikipeetia, the misspelled encyclopedia: <http://www.wikipeetia.org/Endreas_Cleier>; Nishi Amene - Wikipeetia, the misspelled encyclopedia: <http://www.wikipeetia.org/Nishi_Amene>; Tsugaru Nobuaki - Wikipeetia, the misspelled encyclopedia: <http://www.wikipeetia.org/Tsugaru_Nobuaki>
BingoBoingo: <PeterL> If you pull up the source of a qntra page, it's about 150 lines. Yesterday I was on another news site, the source was over 4000 lines long. I am calling scam, qntra is cheating us on the lines per page! << It used to be more until recently.
BingoBoingo: <thestringpuller> BingoBoingo: this would make a great scene for alfdog the movie << I kinda though alf identified more as a cat.
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assbot: Two men arrested in shooting of Black Lives Matter protesters in Minneapolis - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1QJT3z9 )
jurov: imo that would happen only if alf was fuckable girl
assbot: Tesla's NOx Problem: Model X Delay Explained? - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ikwqcw )
BingoBoingo: jurov: What if alf makes fuckable computers?
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: the teslol rageth
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: If you care to qntra up a car story
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pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: i just may do that.
BingoBoingo about to retreat to food coma
mircea_popescu: sooo, they're doing a "marcha de las putas" ie, localized slutwalk
mircea_popescu: methinks im gonna go to point and laugh.
mircea_popescu: "cultura de la violacion : el problema es colectivo la solucion tambien"
mircea_popescu: sounds like it was designed by office drones.
mircea_popescu: !up epscy
BingoBoingo: You aren't going to take naked girls to show them how it is done?
mircea_popescu: "alfdog the cat" could be a decent comic. it's about a dog who identifies as a cat.
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jurov: !up BashCo
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo certainly not.
BashCo: thanks jurov. I haven't been active here. haven't taken the time to get involved.
jurov: the time is NOW
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ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: "hispanics"?
pete_dushenski: not black ?
ben_vulpes: propaganda dept does not have their shit together
pete_dushenski: and suspect =! offender
pete_dushenski: white men obviously put chico up to the task. obviously.
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ben_vulpes: also a hilarious thing, "mexican supremacists"
pete_dushenski: "mexicanos supremos" sounds like the next taco bell special dish. "con queso!"
ben_vulpes is almost entirely insulated from the race wars
ben_vulpes: leastaways for now.
mircea_popescu: this exists here. "suprema", it's an omlet.
mircea_popescu: ;;google suprema de pollo
gribble: Supremas de pollo a la Maryland - Clarín: <http://www.clarin.com/suplementos/ollas/2005/08/18/o-00301.htm>; Suprema de pollo rellena con hongos - Ignacio Reborati Cocinado ...: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re63GtLGCjQ>; 3 formas de hacer pechugas de pollo - wikiHow: <http://es.wikihow.com/hacer-pechugas-de-pollo>
assbot: Tixie: The Bitcoin Price Ticker You Can Keep Next to the Bed - Bitcoin News ... ( http://bit.ly/1YwHWuF )
jurov: problem sleeping? no more!!!1
jurov: "Tixie’s display has four settings; it checks the current price of Bitcoin, shows two account balances, time, and local temperature."
ben_vulpes: "We will deliver the first batch of Tixies early 2016 with dedicated support."
ben_vulpes: support for a clock
mircea_popescu: well it's a product of this millenium. it dun work.
BingoBoingo: FPH is going mainstream "If you need a wheelchair to go grocery shopping because you're too obese to walk, you deserve to die." http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2015/11/tila-tequila-goes-insane-on-twitter-obese-people-deserve-to-die/
assbot: Tila Tequila Goes INSANE on Twitter: Obese People Deserve to Die! I Have a Giant Penis! - The Hollywood Gossip ... ( http://bit.ly/1YwIW1M )
mircea_popescu: she's a little corky herself isn't she ?
BingoBoingo: Yeah, but any news is good news for the cause.
mircea_popescu: "She could be mentally ill, or she may just be the ultimate troll, but either way, Tila's latest Twitter rant might be one of the great social media meltdowns of all time:"
mircea_popescu: or it may be that she's right.
BingoBoingo: Sanity is Insanity
mircea_popescu: and also that some idiot site on the net doesn't have a functional comment box
pete_dushenski: tila tequila went joo then lizard-nazi shortly thereafter. definitely corky.
BingoBoingo: I don't really know many sites outside of #b-a who do. Even most wp installs have shit comment boxes nao
mircea_popescu: for srs.
mircea_popescu: gotta have the reddit spambots, the cloudflare anal deflower and the disqus comment washing process.
BingoBoingo: Because most wordpress anymore isn't "WordPress" but WordPress+AssPackJEt
mircea_popescu: web 2.shithead.
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assbot: So this is what I dealt with today at my LA Fitness Pool - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1YwJnt0 )
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assbot: Sometimes stupidity can actually save your ass. (or luck yeah I'll go with luck) - GIF on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1kVQI7e )
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BingoBoingo: !up brg444
assbot: Logged on 26-11-2015 00:09:08; pete_dushenski: to celebrate the belated arrival of winter today, some photos of nature (that i didn't take) from my neck of the woods http://www.hecktictravels.com/rocky-mountains-alberta-canada and some rather charming urban shots of winter a few provinces over http://www.hecktictravels.com/winter-in-quebec
brg444: oops
brg444: pete_dushenski **
pete_dushenski: lol quebec city ? ya, i've been there.
pete_dushenski: though i'm definitely due to go back.
pete_dushenski: brg444: you been ?
brg444: I live there!
pete_dushenski: brg444: well how's winter been treating you thus far ?
brg444: well temperature today was in the 50s so can't really call it winter yet
brg444: not an inch of snow anywhere too
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 352.38, vol: 35567.26770237 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 343.092, vol: 28729.8976 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 353.06, vol: 78502.26452297 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 343.0, vol: 6.63353917 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 352.682, vol: 115651.17090000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 350.56001, vol: 115.79862027 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 346.696002011, vol: 350.09485251 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: average: 351.681730941
brg444: strange thing this "global warming" ^^
BingoBoingo: Monday we had some snowflakes here. Today it was nearly 70. Typical weather for this region.
pete_dushenski: brg444: wtf get your fahrenheit outta here. unless quebec turned into bagdad since i last visited !
pete_dushenski: but edmonton just had its first snow this week. bizarrely tardy.
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BingoBoingo a fan of using all the temperature scales without specifying the scale, kelvin exempt.
BingoBoingo: kelvin for the next few hundred thousand years is too outlier to troll people by using it to describe weather
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brg444: tbf I'm certainly not complaining, last winter was around coldest on record so can't say I'm too anxious to revisit this
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brg444: btw pete_dushenski was reading your last article on contravex. great stuff as usual but noticed a typo, if you care: 2nd "exclusivity" should be "exclusive"?
pete_dushenski: right you are ! thx.
pete_dushenski: and fxd.
BingoBoingo: Oh, pete_dushenski made a bingo
pete_dushenski: bahaha so it would seem
pete_dushenski: what do i win ?
pete_dushenski: or does only first bingo win...
BingoBoingo: You win getting to type "fxd" in chan
brg444: might as well mention "c'est à dire" should really be "c'est-à-dire"...
pete_dushenski: so it is. i blame my sources..
brg444: I was always curious, where did you pick up this french from?
pete_dushenski: this french ? like my french or the quote ?
brg444: sorry, yes, your french
pete_dushenski: aha. i attended french immersion through to grade 5, which really isn't much, but my mother also grew up on montreal and we spoke a bit of french at home. i've also visited montreal at least once a year since i was born, so i've always had a bit of a refresher when out in public. lastly, i joined a french-catholic choir last year and they speak and write in french exclusively.
pete_dushenski: that, plus some spanish classes in high school helped to flesh out my latin-language base.
pete_dushenski: i also have a couple friends who also attended french immersion, but through to grade 12, and we occasionally exchange a few sentences, which is better than nothing :)
pete_dushenski: and now, as i speak it out loud to mein heir on a daily basis, i'm practicing more than i have since i was 10 years old !
pete_dushenski: !up brg444
brg444: that's great. I guess that's better than 99% of english speaking canada can pretend to
pete_dushenski: that's a plausible enough figure :)
brg444: I'm guessing you also dared take the plunge into the literature as well? (Bastiat, etc.)
pete_dushenski: my delving into french literature thus far has been pretty limited, a bit of verne and exupery mostly.
pete_dushenski: i'm off for now. bon soir, les gars !
brg444: Bonne soirée!
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deedbot-: [Qntra] North Carolina State Troopers On Food Stamps - http://qntra.net/2015/11/north-carolina-state-troopers-on-food-stamps/
ben_vulpes: "the continued accretion of fiscal crises across these governments should be expected to continue..."
mircea_popescu: accretion eh ?
mircea_popescu: "The continued accretion of fiscal crises across these governments should be expected to continue to further weaken their already anemic vestiges of autonomy." << this needs to be 5 words.
mircea_popescu: da fuck it's qntra.net not circumlocutory-phraseology.website-name
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