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pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: i'm similarly skeptical but there's been nary a hiccup in the first season at least. it'll take another few before i can say much more than that.
pete_dushenski: and i'm not exactly easy on it myself :P
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: and how many macbooks have you burnt through in past 5-7 years ?
pete_dushenski: i have '08 aluminum that's a bit bogged down with cruft but otherwise excellent
pete_dushenski: and '13 'air' with two keys that have their bad days (delete, a) and a weird screen deformity that makes everything a bit washed out but isn't worth $1k to fix
pete_dushenski: then again, i almost certainly don't push them as hard as you do
pete_dushenski: i'm just doing web, text, odd bit of video, once-in-a-blue-moon editing
asciilifeform just popped a crate with ~2kg of orwell. before anyone asks, no, nothing like even 20% of his output is on the net. in the 1968 four-volume set, there is perhaps 90% of it.
asciilifeform: you can get this for somewhere north of a benjie.
asciilifeform: mega-recommended.
asciilifeform: somewhere there is also a set of his correspondence, a good chunk of it in fr, that i don't yet have.
pete_dushenski: in fr ? monsieur blair !
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: the keyboards don't come out of these things any more ?
asciilifeform: otherwise i can't fathom why anyone would live with dead keys
pete_dushenski: 1. 'air' is sealed tighter than an 80yo nun, 2. it's like once a month for some reason.
asciilifeform: i have an 'air' that i've replaced virtually all of at one time or another...
pete_dushenski: ;;google replace macbook air keyboard
gribble: Replacing the MacBook air keyboard - MacBook Air Models A1237 ...: <>; MacBook Air Repair - iFixit: <>; Macbook Air A1369 A1466 Keyboard Repair & Replacement - how ...: <>
asciilifeform: it comes out if you lift the mb.
asciilifeform: 'air' is a dream to open compared to the old g4 'powerbooks' where you needed a spudger
asciilifeform: (old bank cards make the best spudgers imho)
pete_dushenski: well shows what i know about wrenching on apple hardware!
pete_dushenski: i also recently cracked open ~2kg of dead tree goodness : a history of private lives, volumes i-iv
asciilifeform: i only have vol. 1
pete_dushenski: actually, probably more like ~4kg for the set
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: aha. this is the only one i've yet cracked
asciilifeform: it is spiffy
pete_dushenski: fantastic reading. highly recommended
asciilifeform: i tried at one time to find some info re: 'troat hunting' where a deer is coralled and its screams attract others - mentioned therein
asciilifeform: never found any mention of it elsewhere.
pete_dushenski: i have it right in front of me and i see neither 'troat' nor 'hunting' in the index. hmm
assbot: A History of Private Life: From Pagan Rome to Byzantium - Paul Veyne - Google Books ... ( )
pete_dushenski: ^ shame that images are missing. the artwork collected therein is really quite lovely
pete_dushenski: "The old Celtic practice today known as chasse au brame, troat-hunting, involved placing a rutting stag in a U-shaped trap of trees and nets; when the stag began to troat, does and other stags would approach and be caught."
pete_dushenski: << modern day equivalent uses horn of sorts to mimic troating stag
assbot: chasse du cerf au brame 2014 - YouTube ... ( )
pete_dushenski: ;;seen dignork
gribble: dignork was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 8 weeks, 3 days, 19 hours, 4 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <dignork> Genius -
pete_dushenski: hm. some lord.
pete_dushenski: ;;seen artifexd
gribble: artifexd was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 20 weeks, 3 days, 6 hours, 32 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <artifexd> I'm comfortable calling it a review. Not just of what it is but what it was and how it got to where it is.
pete_dushenski: ouch. even worse.
pete_dushenski: "Nationwide The building society says its customers can withdraw up to £2,000 per account a day. “However, if they want to withdraw more than £500, it is best to pre-book the amount with the branch to ensure that it has the cash available." << derp/
assbot: Want to make a big cash withdrawal? Don’t bank on being allowed | Money | The Guardian ... ( )
pete_dushenski: £500 buys what in england these days, a sweatshirt ? a rental car for the weekend ?
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cazalla: <<< what's in it for apple to support this? just a measure to get people to buy the next iphone or what
assbot: Ad blocking in Apple's iOS 9 highlights rift over ads with app publishers | GamesBeat | Games | by Dean Takahashi ... ( )
pete_dushenski: more like another revenue stream for apple.
pete_dushenski: now only 'privileged' advertisers will be allowed
pete_dushenski: like ff 'adblocker' does iirc
pete_dushenski: 'adblock plus'
cazalla: at least you have the option to use ublock with ff now.. doesn't apple have it's own ad network though, iads if memory serves
pete_dushenski: for apps, yes. i guess they're moving that philosophy over to safari or w/e
pete_dushenski: !up warptangent
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assbot: Homeopathy conference ends in chaos after delegates take hallucinogenic drug - Health News - Health & Families - The Independent ... ( )
mircea_popescu: cigs were always the cheapest in the soviet empire.
mircea_popescu: assbot> Want to make a big cash withdrawal? Don’t bank on being allowed | << the advantage of the internet. what "bank run" ? sit at the computer and cry like the little bitch that you are.
assbot: Drone Injuries Lawyer Blog ... ( )
mircea_popescu: "hello sir i am an injured drone" ?
punkman: not yet, but soon enough
mircea_popescu: actualy, drones that broadcast the cries of injured children / burn unit victims / rape victims etc would make a pretty decent terrorism application.
mircea_popescu: sorta troat hunting ++
mircea_popescu: the cats would love to drive them around also.
mircea_popescu: Regretfully, all the aspirations of “reformers” of American mathematical education go in the opposite direction. Mastery of algorithms makes students self-sufficient - get away from it, make them dependent on Texas Instruments. Logical proofs develop
mircea_popescu: students’ mental discipline - get away from them also. Traditional word problems allow to determine the right answer - get away from them also.
mircea_popescu: What the “reformers” promote, that is open-ended problems, “real-world” problems with clouds of answers, activities instead of problems, create a fuzzy world, ~~~in which students always have to guess the teacher’s mind and can not learn to discriminate between right and wrong by their own means. ~~~
mircea_popescu: aaaand the truth emerges.
mircea_popescu: what the us is producing is slaves, not people.
Naphex: punkman: homeopathy by one if the biggest med-scammers; enjoy :))
assbot: Water, Wine and Homeopathy - YouTube ... ( )
Naphex: punkman: this guy scammed ~100mil $ USD from dumb americans and then moved to budapest and went insane :)
assbot: Sugar Coated Message To Media from Desire Dubounet - YouTube ... ( )
Naphex: o.O;
Naphex: actually met this guy in Budapest when a friend of mine got sent by his rich mother to help solve his cluster headaches
Naphex: one of the most insane experiences in my life lol
Naphex: he is now selling SCIO 'bio-resonance' machines for ~25k USD around europe
Naphex: hi device obviously cure everything from cancer to aids
Naphex: his*
mircea_popescu: wait. a transvestite scammed a bunch of retarded usians for 100mn ?
Naphex: yep
Naphex: well before he was a tranvestite
Naphex: he is scamming europeans as a tranvestite
Naphex: his lakeys play it like his a insane genius
Naphex: he assumed the life of Bill Nelson (some us senator that worked for nasa) since their name is so similar
assbot: Quantum Energy Wellness - How does the SCIO Work? ... ( )
assbot: Professor Bill Nelson, inventor of the amazing QXCI diagnost - YouTube ... ( )
Naphex: it's pure crazyness. and people still fall for it
assbot: Bill Nelson wins the internet. – Bad Science ... ( )
Naphex: this is his 'amazing' device
Naphex: they still hold seminars and sells and other junk around
Naphex: and bribe doctors to present/have the device or call it interesting
mircea_popescu: o quantum right ?
Naphex: yep..
mircea_popescu: yeah makes sense.
Naphex: he tried getting his scam to run in Canada, but got owned by the mainstream press
assbot: Miracle Makers or Money Takers? | CBC News Marketplace - YouTube ... ( )
Naphex: has a 8 story block in budapest that houses everything from the programmers and device developers, to makeshift porn studios
Naphex: i was trying to explain my retarded rich friends that he was a scammer and gave them resources
Naphex: the responses i got back 'well if you're so smart, why don't you have 100mn"
assbot: Some Notes on the Quantum Xrroid (QXCI) and William C. Nelson ... ( )
mircea_popescu: Naphex apparently he's been working at it for 25 years. which may explain why he has "100mn" and you don't.
Naphex: yeah
Naphex: but it's pure crazyness you shouldn't even be able to fall for this shit with a IQ higher than 75
Naphex: but it works and people shower him with moneys
mircea_popescu: QX Ltd. has stated that more than 3,000 Xrroid devices have been sold worldwide. The 2002 price for the interface device, software, user manual, and basic training was $13,000.
mircea_popescu: this seems a little short of 100mn.
Naphex: sec i'll find the article that referenced the 100mn
mircea_popescu: Records from the U.S. District Court of the District of Columbia indicate that Nelson was indicted for mail fraud in June 1996 and was placed on the fugitive list several months later
mircea_popescu: "Upon studying the software I also found pornographic images embedded in it, for what reason I was unable to determine."
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mircea_popescu: this thing is starting to sound like a bitcoin!
assbot: How one man’s invention is part of a growing worldwide scam that snares the desperately ill | The Seattle Times ... ( )
Naphex: mircea_popescu: it's a full blown cult, and the programs are extended with training and all other social bullshit that will cost everyone
Naphex: and his recent devices cost some 25k
mircea_popescu: well honestly... i'd much rather a deranged tranny get all the moneys, than a bunch of retards getting to keep it.
mircea_popescu: at least he's lulzy. these idiots are just stolidly boring.
Naphex: haha yep
Naphex: they are in a rush also to give him money so..
mircea_popescu: how's he worse than tim cook anyway.
Naphex: well i guess this guys quantum devices get tumors to fall off o.O;
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mircea_popescu: anyway, very respectable boob job.
Naphex: 5 sessions and an in-operable tumor just fell off
Naphex: brain tumor*
deedbot-: [Trilema] A bunch of assholes. -
Naphex: anyway my whole experence was 3 weeks trying to prove my rich friend and his mother that his aa scammer; this culminated in dinner with him in budapest
mircea_popescu: fell off, hitting the amygdala and bruising the brainstem, causing death.
Naphex: and spending the night in his guest room at his hq
mircea_popescu: so didja get him to invest in a new invention like quantum teledildonics or something ?
cazalla: Naphex, not even worth your time, they want to be scammed - my mother is/was into John Edwards as is an aunty, and they rave about him, went to a live show and all
mircea_popescu: how come it's mostly women
Naphex: nah I passed; too much crazyness; he does pay shitloads of guys insane money for building his scam sites / software and everything else
mircea_popescu: cazalla the ex-senator ?!
cazalla: no, the speaking with dead people one
cazalla: you know, a few years ago i put an advertisement in gumtree (aussie craigslist) for free psychic readings and you would not believe the barrage of phone calls
punkman: cazalla: so why don't you have $100mil yet
Naphex: yeah good question
cazalla: punkman, well it was for a laugh, not to actually scam monies
mircea_popescu: da fuck is wron with people already.
mircea_popescu: i suppose ima retire to this, eventually. "i will guess how much your bike cost!"
BingoBoingo: Oh, TI-92 arrived yesterday. Much larger than I imagined
BingoBoingo: Much larger than I expected. About 1/2 the desk footprint of laptop
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punkman: "According to the 2012 census, the total population was 44,928,923. The under 15 age group represented 44.1% of the population." << tanzania's pretty young eh
phf: asciilifeform: btw i take back 'inria was once useful' << inria is behind caml and presently maintains ocaml, they also do Cog, but i think that's pushing the limit of "useful"
cazalla: i wonder if there is a tanzanian bitcoin embassy
phf: i know there's some tension between yaron minsky's (of jane street capital) extensions to core library and inria's core, but someone with better knowledge of language can chime if inria is in the wrong
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phf: ben_vulpes: also it was 90s russia, lots of people did "revenue numbers are none of your goddamn concern", and it mostly looked like playing lottery. shipping european clothing from turkey, or driving bmw's from germany for resale, all the while hoping that your criminal "roof" was stronger then the neighbor's
phf: unless you come across a genuine opportunity (e.g. your uncle is a general, or your dad was director of a factory/storage/pipeline), imho it was basically like throwing out genuine education for half a million dollars in cash
phf: i suspect that mp made profit on the decade since he's a bit older then myself, i started at the tail end, and when king yeltsin abdicated that was pretty much the end of it
mircea_popescu: lol. people were still insisting "it's never gonna end" in 2004.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the moral therein being : it's much better to spend stormy weather in a lake than in an ocean. which is why people figuring on doing the whole "survivalist" schtick in the us are basically retarded.
mircea_popescu: but that aside : 500k in cash is still a better deal than what present day usians get. they still have no education, but -500k in cash to go with it too.
mircea_popescu: and caml was, iirc, 1995.
mircea_popescu: i don't really see oo bullshit as anything more than wank, but then again that's me.
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assbot: MIT Triumphs as the Most Insecure University in the US, Study Reveals | Hacked ... ( )
thestringpuller: So glad I went to Georgia Tech over MIT these days.
thestringpuller: except for the lack of women during my years there.
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 09:38:51; mircea_popescu: i don't really see oo bullshit as anything more than wank, but then again that's me.
assbot: Logged on 03-01-2015 20:01:05; ascii_modem: for the record, 'clos' is, as of today, the only non-retarded incarnation of that concept yet built
asciilifeform: !s clos
assbot: 51 results for 'clos' :
asciilifeform: << described in agonizing detail by john t gatto
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 07:35:35; mircea_popescu: What the “reformers” promote, that is open-ended problems, “real-world” problems with clouds of answers, activities instead of problems, create a fuzzy world, ~~~in which students always have to guess the teacher’s mind and can not learn to discriminate between right and wrong by their own means. ~~~
asciilifeform: << it has a keyboard. and this was before the age of 'must use a toothpick for this qwerty' idiocy.
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 08:28:00; BingoBoingo: Much larger than I expected. About 1/2 the desk footprint of laptop
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thestringpuller: hahahaha. i'm excited for 'creative' user-agents in the future
chetty: << it has a keyboard. and this was before the age of 'must use a toothpick for this qwerty' idiocy.// is there a thumb equivalent of carpal tunnel yet?
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asciilifeform: 'In my own CAS development experience, I've found it nearly impossible to do what the TI-89 does, that is, automatically perform these simplifications without wrapping them in a 'hint' function. I've found that both in terms of computational cost, and in pure software engineering difficulty, this is basically impossible to do. Every CAS I've ever built has involved horrendous debugging of infinite recursion and similar bugs du
asciilifeform: e to attempting to match the TI-89's level of automation. The fact that Mathematica, Sage, etc. also will not perform these simplifications without a 'hint' makes me feel a little better, but the question remains: How on earth did the TI engineers manage to do this with literally a tiny, tiny fraction of the computing power a desktop has?'
assbot: Computer Algebra: How does the TI-89 do it? - Mathematics Stack Exchange ... ( )
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski remarkably few, actually. i have one 15" mbp from ~08 i think that's holding up remarkably well.
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ben_vulpes: myriad other office devices in various stages of decrepitude.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: that could easily be the last remaining such machine, the nvidia ball grid plague killed them all, i thought.
ben_vulpes: c'est possible
ben_vulpes: might be 2010, now that i think of it.
asciilifeform: iirc machines from 2007-2011 affected.
asciilifeform: and for all i know, every single nvidia anything ever made.
asciilifeform: including now.
asciilifeform: 'Pick your favorite expression that is zero but not easily simplified to zero by the CAS. Then divide by this zero and deduce all kinds of absurdities.'
asciilifeform: (and NO it can't exist as txt, fuck you, buy a printer.)
thestringpuller: why you hate nvidia asciilifeform ?
trinque listens to the neighbor kid screaming "no" at his single mother for the 8th time
trinque: my parents would've cracked my ass the other direction by now
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: because it is one of the great evils of our time.
thestringpuller: the CEO is so dope tho
thestringpuller: “The C.E.O. has to be the virus,” Mr. Huang said. “To build a great company, you have to kill it a bit every day.”
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BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ... << it has a keyboard. and this was before the age of 'must use a toothpick for this qwerty' idiocy. << It is truly a more impressive machine than I was anticipating. The screen is actually usefully large.
shinohai: ;;later tell mod6 cukes worked swimmingly, thanks again.
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nubbins`: asciilifeform: re: the cost of bicycles -- i'm reminded of your rant about how in computing, there's no "professional grade equipment", i.e. people who code for a living are using the same hw as people who check facebook all day long
nubbins`: $100 will buy you what is commonly referred to as a BSO -- a Bicycle-Shaped Object
nubbins`: $500+ will buy you something you can rely on to, e.g., get you to work/school/market every day for years without failure
nubbins`: most of the cost is in components; a frame is a frame (to some extent), but having your brake discs machined vs stamped from sheet makes a big difference for longevity as well as maintenance
nubbins`: most cheap bicycles simply do not work for any reasonable definition of "work"
nubbins`: constant chain derailments, heavy friction wear from parts grinding, frame failures from bad welds...
nubbins`: is not smth you want happening while you're doing 60km/h in traffic
assbot: bicycle frame failure - Google Search ... ( )
nubbins`: it's not uncommon for serious cyclists (touring 100km+, racing, etc) to purchase high quality steel frames that were made 20+ years ago
assbot: Rick Hillier says military can help bring in 50,000 refugees by Christmas - Politics - CBC News ... ( )
trinque: didn't these people see Children of Men?
nubbins`: this whole refugee thing is really bringing the complete fucking idiots out of the woodwork
trinque: they're the ultimate victims
trinque: and the socialist state loves those
nubbins`: lots of people pointing to pictures of, e.g., mattresses & trash left behind in train stations, refugees holding "$600 cell phones"
nubbins`: as if somehow it makes more sense to bring a goddamn mattress on a train instead of your only link to the outside world
nubbins`: as if the mattresses were not brought there by local citizens
nubbins`: as if you can't buy a used smartphone for $100
shinohai: Just ignore the problem and play refugee Mario.
shinohai: On your smartphone.
nubbins`: i'm actually playing captain toad treasure tracker atm
mod6: shinohai: cool!
trinque: mega-lol @ germany committing to allowing in a million refugees and closing its borders within a span of days
nubbins`: "look, see? refugees throwing rocks at police" under a photograph of a football riot from 2012.
nubbins`: trinque my understanding is that it's not the numbers but the timing.
nubbins`: i can drink 18 beers, but not in an hour
trinque: the idea that a million or more people are going to peacefully integrate with a country of roughly 80 million is questionable
trinque: to say the very least
nubbins`: the cynic in me wonders if the whole "refugee quotas" thing is germany's push to cripple other EU economies
shinohai: I'll bet Islamic extremists are foaming at the mouth hoping to recruit a few.
trinque: whether it's intended, it surely will head that direction.
nubbins`: "saudi arabia can house X refugees, why aren't they heading there?"
trinque: europe cannot maintain the political myth that people are equal, fungible, interchangable without accepting these refugees.
nubbins`: as if anyone in the fucking world wants to live in saudi arabia
nubbins`: might as well suggest the refugees head to usa.
trinque: really, no one says there has to be any sane solution
trinque: heh, the era of the clusterfuck
nubbins`: anyway, who knows?
nubbins`: this whole part of the country i live in was mainly settled by irish escaping the potato famine
nubbins`: refugees escaping an oppressive regime
nubbins`: and we're (arguably) doing ok now
trinque: the distinction I see is that those were still rather culturally similar to the folks already there, no?
trinque: muslims seem to be a few degrees more willing to go apeshit in the streets, or worse
trinque: and I'm imagining *that* demanding ever more socialism
nubbins`: trinque, if you'd asked the british whether the irish were rather culturally similar, they'd have said no
trinque: it seems to be the perfect thing to suck the socialist state completely dry
nubbins`: going apeshit in the streets is generally a direct result of treatment, either by other citizens or government
nubbins`: mp can probably relate tales of .ro folk going apeshit in streets in late 80s, early 90s, and they weren't muslim
nubbins`: just tired of boots on their throats
trinque: could go many ways.
nubbins`: will be quite the spectacle either way, yep.
nubbins`: o look, one of the local prostitutes seems to be pregnant
danielpbarron: << I got arrested in the principal's office when a librarian who had a grudge against me (she was the mother of some kids in the military and didn't like that i didn't stand for the "pledge of allegiance") ratted me out for yelling "i'm gonna kill you" (not in earnest, it was just the thing to say at the time) at some kids who made a habit of teasing me
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 22:49:42; cazalla: trinque, i threatened to shoot a bunch of kids at my school via icq.. made front page of local rag and blurred out face on local tv, no name though :\ probably get 10 years like that isis kid these days
trinque: american public school is prison
trinque: they want you to know that they can bring you back to prison at any moment
nubbins`: buncha miscreants
nubbins`: in fairness, you guys are all pretty weird
nubbins`: cazalla i had a similar device to your sky3ds or w/e for my original DS
trinque: nubbins`: trying to stamp out weird is precisely the sin of the socialist state
trinque: weird is where everything interesting comes from.
danielpbarron: oh and I think I have a "3ds" that someone left with me as collateral over a bitcoin deal and later said keep it
trinque: let the cattle have their safe public school where they memorize a few useful facts, and let the miscreants join some academy where their mistakes blow their hands off
nubbins`: trinque only the socialist state?
nubbins`: danielpbarron let's go halfsies on a game
danielpbarron: i'm looking up images now, and it looks like i might have the "DS"
nubbins`: i think they look pretty similar
nubbins`: nfi really
nubbins`: i had two actual DS carts (mario kart korean version, advance wars 2) before i bought an SD loader
trinque: nubbins`: not at all; the western christian church has gotten equally boring.
danielpbarron: i'll try to find out which it is and get back to you, but if it's compatible I think i'd like to take you up on the offer
danielpbarron: you said it's like lemmings?
nubbins`: luckily for me, all the text in korean mario kart was just transliterated english
nubbins`: danielpbarron seems so. and there's a level creation/sharing thing
nubbins`: so you can grab cool new levels that others have created, etc
danielpbarron: i used to love that game, never finished it
nubbins`: we had a few lemmings games, always fun
nubbins`: the game's only $20usd, but they give you the wii u AND 3ds versions with purchase, and i don't have a 3ds
trinque: ah I loved playing lemmings on DOS
danielpbarron: i think i played it on DOS or windows 95
trinque: great music too
nubbins`: lemmings is actually why we bought our first mouse
nubbins`: so i guess it was DOS
assbot: Lemmings 2: The Tribes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( )
nubbins`: ^ best lemmings
danielpbarron: oh i just realized i was thinking of a different game, but this one was also great.
nubbins`: you were thinking of Worms, maybe?
danielpbarron: i was thinking of "Pushover"
assbot: Pushover Gameplay - YouTube ... ( )
danielpbarron: level starts with dominoes set up, and you have to move them around so that you can push one and have them all fall over. And there are different types that react different ways
cazalla: danielpbarron, copper asked me multiple time if i actually had guns heh, this was shortly after the columbine shootings mind you
danielpbarron: same here
cazalla: nubbins`, the sky3ds is pretty sweet, but will only load 3ds games, not backward compatible
nubbins`: shame
nubbins`: i had an R4DS cart for my ds, took microsd
cazalla: same
nubbins`: oh, there's an R4 3DS now.
cazalla: apparently there are better carts than the sky3ds but at the time, that is all that was available for the firmware my 3ds has
trinque: what parent would let cops and bureaucrats educate their children at all?
nubbins`: yeah it's a constant battle
cazalla: trinque, parents who would rather be doing something else than parenting
trinque: kid: "I'm going to kill you all." parent: *SLAP* kid: "I'm very sorry."
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nubbins`: isn't robert mugabe the current head of the AU?
trinque: danielpbarron: this game with the dominoes looks fun
danielpbarron: yeah i'm still watching the video, makes me want to get it again
nubbins`: heh.
nubbins`: i'm tempted to grab Worms 2
cazalla: trinque, tbh, that made me even more determined, not saying not to hit kids but i think it needs to be applied in a manner my own parents failed to do
nubbins`: but: gotta focus
nubbins`: 1 level left to complete in captain toad
trinque: cazalla: sure, I only got my ass kicked when I was being a moron.
trinque: and I still have all my parts functional
trinque: and I think on the other side, without that, you leave the child without the ability to exercise self-restraint at all
trinque: like my oft-mentioned case of seeing the kid punching his mother in the tit at the grocery store
trinque: isn't just a disservice to her; that kid's going to be fucking useless
cazalla: not sure, but i think that is pretty normal for kids to lash out at their parents
cazalla: of course now, the parents don't respond by hitting back but by taking the kid through a circus of doctors
trinque: sure it's normal once, and normal for the kid to be corrected right then
trinque: this bitch was like "Now whateveryourname, that isn't very nice is it?"
cazalla: let's say she turns around and clips the kid across the face, in public
danielpbarron: CPS called, kid confiscated
cazalla: you'd have no shortage of do-gooders running to the kid's rescue.. difficult to raise kids properly in the welfare state because big daddy comes and clips you one too
nubbins`: lelel
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nubbins`: as if being not very nice is a thing this animal would abhor
trinque: lol yeah
trinque: just appeal to his inner reason!
nubbins`: nevermind that his brain won't work like that for another half-decade at best
trinque: because reason is something you fall out of the womb with, not something carved into your haphazard mess of a brain
nubbins`: "don't run away, sweetie, someone might take you!" to a 3yo
trinque: "now poopsiekins!"
nubbins`: as if "take you" has any meaning to a toddler
trinque: kid was precisely cartman
cazalla: i don't think dishing out some old fashioned discipline to the toddler is really going to help either
trinque: well no, cartman had cunning; I wont give him that compliment
nubbins`: anyway, i'm way too selfish and irresponsible to sire a child
trinque: cazalla: why is that?
nubbins`: so all this is "other people's problems"
trinque: seems a simple formula: If you hit this thing that feeds you, it's going to kill you instead.
cazalla: trinque, i really don't think they'd understand or be able to make a connection between their behaviour and your reaction
nubbins`: 2250 coins, level 19
nubbins`: so close, not even close
cazalla: at least that is what i've observed with my own son.. telling him no does seem to encourage the behaviour more, so we usually ignore or draw as little attention to it as possible
trinque: I'm advocating the swift kick in the ass, not saying "no".
trinque: and I understood that just fine when I was little
cazalla: not at 20 months, maybe 6-7 years of age.. but who knows, maybe i've grown soft having not had a fight or been punched in some time
trinque: ah sure that young, they're going to scream and do all sorts of nonsensical things
trinque: but when they start developing a personality, that's where I think you can do great damage by not teaching them self-restraint
trinque: or more specifically allowing them to think that the world is something which brings you what you want when you scream
danielpbarron: nubbins`> "don't run away, sweetie, someone might take you!" to a 3yo << reminds me of this odd phrase a friend's son uses: "what's it gonna do to me?" // I suspect it's the result of public school teaching him that anything not blessed by the state is dangerous
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trinque: cazalla: I'd say by about 2 or 3 you could encounter a mild pop on the ass in my family for screaming fits and other carrying on
cazalla: trinque, i copped it from a young age too and these are the only memories I have around the ages of 4-5 , not convinced it would actually do my son any benefit
cazalla: of course, was more than a kick in the ass
cazalla: so perhaps you're right and it's just the dosage
trinque: difference between medicine and poison right?
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cazalla: goes beyond the parents these days though, kids are seen as owned by the community and all that shit, i expect to meet a lot of opposition and resistance in the years ahead
cazalla: kids are sorta like housing in that you're expected to pay for it, look after it, maintain it but in no way can you actually do what you want with it because you don't really own it.. as mentioned here many times
trinque: what a world
trinque: at least when the dulap comes they can claim they helped make the kid, lol
cazalla: run more windows, raised more kids in the western world type deal eh
nubbins`: canada sold all its gold, save 3 tons, in ~2006
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nubbins`: lel.
nubbins`: if you sent aliens an accurate picture of the current state of affairs, they'd turn us into space dust
trinque: god yes, lets project our weakness as far as possible into space
shinohai: !up anton_osika
BingoBoingo: anton_osika: There really anything I can advise other than working to develop a time machine so you could have made better backups.
nubbins`: back up your backups
BingoBoingo: Or maybe try to uncorrupt youre backup, but I have no idea where you could start on that
anton_osika: Right, the way I see it is just that I had a business deal regarding delivery but I lost my hands so I can sign no more documents.
anton_osika: Comparing it to a non-digital situation it would seem that there was another solution of delivering as stated here:
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BingoBoingo: Well, you've not only lost your hands, you've lsot the idea of having hands
trinque: the idea that the contract is tied to the gpg identity is inherent to the very fact that the fucking thing's signed by that gpg key
anton_osika: I see it as fingerprints as a tool for simplifying proofs of physical identities, not replacing them. Might be good for the sake of lowering worries when entering contracts to be able to specify point of delivery, if unquestioned, with an alternative identification?
anton_osika: trinque: It's not explicitly tied to a gpg key in the contract, rather antonosika
nubbins`: looks like it's tied to a payout address and nothing else
nubbins`: why you gotta sign something?
trinque: anton_osika: it specifies your key fingerprints right there
anton_osika: nubbins`: You mean the BTC payout address is enough?
nubbins`: anton_osika not my contract so i have NFI. but i don't see anything in there that requires you to take any further action
nubbins`: o hi mp
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anton_osika: mircea_popescu: Hey since I read your first draft of the contract between you and me I have learnt a lot.
anton_osika: I still don't see that it explicitly states that antonosika needs a signature for delivery however :)
nubbins`: it doesn't.
anton_osika: Could you let me have this with my freenode auth, if no one else claims to be antonosika, and I will stop pestering you and how is a man of his words?
anton_osika: Would be quite inspirational.
mircea_popescu: mnop. cuz i don't want to encourage the world of nubins and anton_osika. i want to encourage the world of wot and signatures.
mircea_popescu: the way i see it, it would be inspirational of undesirables.
mircea_popescu: this way, it's inspirational of the people i actually like.
nubbins`: lel. maybe you shoulda worded the contract such.
mircea_popescu: it IS worded such.
nubbins`: uh huh
trinque: there's no "eth" payout address in the contract
anton_osika: mircea_popescu: I see it as encouraging for new users to use WoT without being afraid.
mircea_popescu: that's the very point.
mircea_popescu: why should they not be affraid ?
mircea_popescu: new uisers should be affraid.
mircea_popescu: that is what "new" means.
anton_osika: Well the power of WoT lies in how large it will scale.
phf: asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: that could easily be the last remaining such machine, the nvidia ball grid plague killed them all, i thought. << have one of those, you can manually switch with some hacks which video card is used at all times, i have it running on integrated, which prevents real 3d from happening, but hopefully extends life
nubbins`: oh look at that, the contract literally does not state how the ETH will be delivered
nubbins`: yep, anton done fucked up
trinque: nubbins`: yeah, just that some guy with a particular gpg key would receive the eth
nubbins`: SFYL
nubbins`: (NSFYL)
nubbins`: specifically, this snipped sealed your fate: "in a manner to be agreed upon thence"
anton_osika: My aim was to settle this with as much of my physical credibility at stake as possible. Which is why Anton Osika is my real username, with everything publicaly available on me (I'm in the phonebook). If ones physical identity can be a backup for WoT then it might strengthen WoT.
nubbins`: since you can't prove you're you, nothing can be agreed upon thence
mircea_popescu: there exists no suych thing as "physical credibility".
mircea_popescu: this is crypto land. cryptographical credibility is required, and it has a unique and very clearly defined underpinning.
mircea_popescu: go sign.
anton_osika: nubbins`: Would you say the same thing to someone that Lost his right hand for signing documents and is looking you dead in the face?
anton_osika: mircea_popescu: How do you mean clearly defined underpinning?
nubbins`: anton_osika you're asking me if i would reach the same conclusion if the situation were entirely different?
nubbins`: FWIW, you can still sign documents without hands.
mircea_popescu: i mean that without your signature you have no rights and properly speaking don't even exist.
nubbins`: the illiterate used to draw an X. you could do that with your mouth.
nubbins`: there is no cryptographic equivalent of this.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu and fwiw "world of nubbins" is a world in which contracts are entered and people retain their keys
nubbins`: ;;ident
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nubbins`: know what i mean? 8)
mircea_popescu: nubbins` if there was an address i'd have sent teh eth already.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu nod.
mircea_popescu: and so far your only fault is not reading carefully :)
nubbins`: guy does not seem to get this point.
nubbins`: hey, come on, i re-read :D
mircea_popescu: true, true.
mircea_popescu: don';t get the wrong idea, anton_osika : i actually like you.
nubbins`: if i were the sort of jackass who went around losing keys, i'd probably sign some messages preemptively to take care of things in case that happened
nubbins`: but if i'm the sort of person who loses keys, i'm also the sort of person who loses signed statements.
nubbins`: sooooo
anton_osika: mircea_popescu: Well my situation is regarding my life savings so it does matter a bit less as of now.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` it's a risky but perhaps useful approach. "All assignables belonging to key X should henceforth be transferred to key X which has full authority to bla bla"
trinque: 3btc == live savings?
trinque: *life
nubbins`: mircea_popescu i'm not 100% sure that our contract allows such
mircea_popescu: anton_osika i would propose you're not experienced enough to crypto to make it the repository of your life savings.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` iirc, yes.
mircea_popescu goes to read
anton_osika: Poor students you know.
nubbins`: "S.MG will not process or administer any assignments of this Warrant by or among third parties. The administration of any such contracts remains the sole responsibility of the respective parties involved."
mircea_popescu: that doesn't sound like it does, nubbins`
nubbins`: tbh i have no idea what second sentence has to do with first
nubbins`: but first seems to explicitly disallow a signed "plz deliver to this key instead" message.
mircea_popescu: the assignment of a negotiable can only be a contract.
trinque: anton_osika: so you're out what, 700 bucks?
mircea_popescu: trinque well no, since the eth was WAY later than what they originally promised, the short lived launch bubble happened right around now.
trinque: yeah but that was the upside back to him, right? he only put in 3btc
anton_osika: more in the equivalent of around 15'000 $
trinque: you didn't lose that; you made sure you never got it
mircea_popescu: i was trying to aim for you know, 3-6 months after release, little did i imagine their "xmas" will be august
mircea_popescu: hehe i dun think that's how he thinks about it.
anton_osika: mircea_popescu: I have to say that I do agree with you regarding ETH not being the best of bets though.
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trinque: so my 15000 shares of a failed ruby on rails startup, I lost infinity dollars
mircea_popescu: i think this weird even beats namworld's old weird
nubbins`: !t
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trinque goes to cry
nubbins`: been so long
mircea_popescu: where i short sold i don't recall what, oh, asicminer
nubbins`: !t m
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trinque: I even dropped out of the shitty college to get those shares
mircea_popescu: and made a bundle cause glbse went down
trinque: anton_osika: losing is good for you
mircea_popescu: nubbins` hasdn't traded in the past month, which is so fucking weird.
mircea_popescu: it's actually doing great, revenue et all.
mircea_popescu: but hey, "investors" need more circle and whatnot.
nubbins`: heh.
mircea_popescu: !up anton_osika
nubbins`: order book looks condusive to another bitbet hedge
nubbins`: conducive?
nubbins`: christ
nubbins`: i usde to be godo at splelign.
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anton_osika: I got voice.
nubbins`: ah, "the swede"
anton_osika: I meant to say that I got lucky with how BTC fork worries developed.
nubbins`: i remember that scammor
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mircea_popescu: oh if all the dead losers could speak. oh if the wails of the meanwhile defeated stupid could be heard by the still living
mircea_popescu: oh, oh, oh, history why you cover yourself so.
anton_osika: Before I continue the venture of my identity tomorrow: Since the contract states my name - what is it that says that it is not enough as long as it is uniquely identifiable beyond all probable doubts?
nubbins`: holy fuck.
nubbins`: it's a gpg contract
nubbins`: your name is irrelevant
mircea_popescu: tyhe contract also states the word "and". maybne that's a name.
anton_osika: nubbins`: What have I been missing regarding GPG contracts then? :)
nubbins`: everything
nubbins`: apparently.
anton_osika: I mean, this is crypto land, but things are built on common sense not some magical crypto laws right?
mircea_popescu: anton_osika wrong.
anton_osika: mircea_popescu: => BTC fork worries = irrelevant?
nubbins`: things actually are built on "magical" crypto laws.
nubbins`: (magical? do you even compute?)
nubbins`: trivial example, no idea why i'm trying this hard to explain things to you:
nubbins`: suppose the contract didn't say
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nubbins`: "antonosika"
trinque: anton_osika: you might as well be my buddy pleading with his corrupted LUKS header
nubbins`: but it said "John Smith"
nubbins`: how is anyone to know which john smith? there must be millions.
mircea_popescu: "do what i mean" computing.
anton_osika: Well it does luckily not say john smith.
mircea_popescu: everything else... is magical :D
nubbins`: antonosika it's not lucky, no.
nubbins`: because: which anton osika?
nubbins`: i could sire a child tomorrow and name it anton osika.
trinque: the tit-punching kid screams and wonders where mother is to set things right
anton_osika: If it did in an ordinary contract, it would have to include an address (which takes care of the all probable doubt) :)
nubbins`: but it's a gpg contract, and it included a gpg fingerprint
mircea_popescu: up until you refuse to produce an identity document.
mircea_popescu: try this sometime, go ask your bank for your money, but refuse to show id.
nubbins`: antonosika so let's say you signed a normal contract, it included your name and your address.
nubbins`: now 1 year later you have a different address.
nubbins`: contract is useless, yes?
mircea_popescu: real people don't move.
anton_osika: mircea_popescu: Thats a very valid comparison.
mircea_popescu: anton_osika just, irl, because irl is dedicated to the survival of the least fit, if you lose your id there's a mechanism to get another one.
nubbins`: antonosika i think it's fair to say that you understand 100% that you fucked up and you're just trying to "reason" your way into changing the terms of the original
mircea_popescu: but here, because we are quite specifically dedicated to the non survival of the unfit, there isn't.
mircea_popescu: and in the space so freed, we have constructed much safer ids.
mircea_popescu: it's a tradeoff.
cazalla: i think anton_osika actually understands but hopes to wear mircea_popescu down
mircea_popescu: nubbins` 90% of what commercial disputes are. ask any judge.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu "good faith" &c.
nubbins`: barristers and solicitors built practices on such
cazalla: ah shit nubbins` beat me to it
mircea_popescu: ;;google "heavily counseled parties to mega mergers do not breach contracts out of inadvertence or mistake"
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nubbins`: antonosika here's another thing: suppose you show us a passport that says "anton osika" on it. how do we know you, today, are the same anton osika from last year?
mircea_popescu: holy shit google. i had it to the word!
nubbins`: it's an impossible argument to win.
anton_osika: nubbins`: Thank you for bringing it up.
nubbins`: anton_osika it's the same thing i've been saying all along, just in reverse.
anton_osika: My case is that there is only one individual calming to be me.
nubbins`: only one individual today, sure.
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nubbins`: maybe the real anton is on vacation?
nubbins`: maybe he's on his way to berlin from syria?
mircea_popescu: THAT was it's #1 thing, for they in the know. "omfg dude it doesn't even needs parans)"
anton_osika: My case is that in any contract - such as one with a bank - an identity boils down to what is tru without any probable doubt.
nubbins`: there is 100% probable doubt that you are not the person who signed the contract last year.
nubbins`: because you can't prove it's you by signing something with the key.
mircea_popescu: actually the obsolete system standard is "preponderence of evidence". you're thinking criminal proceedings, and it's "reasonable" there.
nubbins`: anton_osika all forms of physical identification can be forged
nubbins`: i could quite literally come back here in three weeks with a USA passport bearing my face and your name.
nubbins`: should mp deliver to me?
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nubbins`: would you like for things to work this way? really?
nubbins`: or would you like for contracts signed with your pgp key to only be resolved via that same key?
nubbins`: because if you wouldn't like that, you should probably gtfo
nubbins`: as you are not in the correct place
nubbins`: know what i mean?
anton_osika: Well make some google of my name
nubbins`: fuck your name
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nubbins`: you're trying to cross an international border using a high school diploma as photo ID.
mircea_popescu: ;;google "obama bin laden"
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nubbins`: nevermind that it doesn't have your photo and it's just a sheet of paper run thru a laser printer anyway.
anton_osika: trinque: Thank you. I mean it.
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nubbins`: trinque oh there you go.
mircea_popescu: "The implications are obviously enormous here. After going through this thread and being somewhat convinced, I picked a few photos (widely available from a google image search) and did my own (very basic) comparisons."
trinque: anton_osika: the lesson here is worth far more than a student's 600-700 bucks
nubbins`: (very basic)
anton_osika: I'm sorry I did not find it myself - of course MP already explained it before.
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nubbins`: anton_osika please understand that none of this is malicious, and at least some people here probably feel bad for you
nubbins`: but there is literally nothing you can do about it without that key. full stop.
trinque: I lost far more than 700 bucks in the stock market at that age
trinque: taught me plenty
mircea_popescu: i feel bad for him cuz unlike an entire horde of twerps, he actually executed.
mircea_popescu: trinque i actually won, and it was imo a worse outcome. i nigh on ended up believing in the shit.
mircea_popescu: 16yo me was ideologically speaking a sort of buffett.
nubbins`: you guys would vomit if you knew how many btc i wasted on AM and S.DICE
mircea_popescu: iirc i actually made money with s.dice
nubbins`: so did i, for a time 8)
mircea_popescu: but i doubt i played 100 games
mircea_popescu: heck, i made like 5 btc with that "biggest fish" flash game
nubbins`: i made ~10btc off just-dice too
nubbins`: oh look, both obama and bin laden both have incisors
nubbins`: this is conclusive evidence
nubbins`: also, both their sweaty foreheads shine under harsh light
mircea_popescu: the fact that they're actually pretty similar is probably more insulting to the arab than to the american.
mircea_popescu: because it means he has some black ancestry over there.
trinque: anton_osika: supposedly gox "owes me" several btc to this day. and guess what, there's even a "legal system" invovled with that case. what do you think my odds are on receiving the btc back?
mod6: white & black now 'eh
mircea_popescu: << ironically, for the exact same reason ancient/inherited swords were valuable. they had already been debugged for faults.
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trinque: mod6: thought I'd make your eyes bleed a little less
anton_osika: trinque: Fairly low.
mircea_popescu: somehow this is true if counterintuitive. black on white is better for eyes than white on black.
mircea_popescu: it'd seem the lower power the better, but not so. because the tiny white specs are too shiny otherwise.
anton_osika: But I feel that I am no the only one that lost ones identity -little owing to ones own mistakes. And this community has honesty in honouring contracts in Good Faith.
mircea_popescu: (ie, if the whole screen is white, the iris adapts and filters it down. if the screen is black, iris can not do that, you end up burning retina)
nubbins`: no it doesn't
nubbins`: mircea_popescu that's a succinct explanation
nubbins`: i've always found black-bg websites a nightmare to read
trinque: yeah, does make sense.
nubbins`: anton_osika plenty have lost their keys. they all weep together now.
mircea_popescu: anton_osika really, figure out how to keep a safe key. it's not that hard, and it IS the only actual underpinning of humanity these days.
anton_osika: mircea_popescu: That is one lesson learned, from all this agony.
nubbins`: anton_osika i could prove beyond a reasonable doubt that i am who i say i am, and everyone in here would be convinced, but i'm still not executing that SSW without a key
mircea_popescu: no key = 1760 negro. not only no rights, but no human identity at all. st peter doesn't even keep track of yotur sins. you're like the beasts of the plains.
trinque: anton_osika: it's not that much money; you're just young. and mistakes you make in youth that you survive will remind you later never again to be so foolish.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you certainly can't because it being an equity thing, it impacts the patrimony of unknown shareholders.
thestringpuller: i've come to this channel outraged!
mircea_popescu: o hay tsp
trinque: anton_osika: or should I still be drinking over the not-millions I made from that not-company
trinque: !up anton_osika
thestringpuller: Started reading some of the slides
thestringpuller: !up anton_osika
thestringpuller: from the Coindesk conference. wtf
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anton_osika: Thanks for voice.
trinque: anton_osika: hold onto a key and you might keep it!
trinque chuckles
mircea_popescu: lol dork
thestringpuller: << from garzik's presentation
anton_osika: I understand those before me who weep - when there is ambigouity in settlements that they would need their non-negro identities with.
cazalla: thestringpuller, is this not from the other conference and not the coindesk one?
nubbins`: are refugees actually welcome to tanzania - africa, tho?
nubbins`: not sure that's the PM and minister of foreign affairs in picture
anton_osika: My case is however that acting in from the perspective of probable doubt is good for the robustness of bitcoin-assets.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` they never found out, did they ?
nubbins`: nope.
mircea_popescu: how come!
thestringpuller: cazalla: didn't coindesk put on the consensus conference?
mircea_popescu: somehow they had a very clear vector loaded.
nubbins`: because they traded their cell phones for mattresses?
anton_osika: Say we are hit by a 1859 solar EMP or the like.
trinque: o lol
mircea_popescu: anton_osika selection events are selection events. when the waters go out you see who had been swimming naked.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu well ya know. if i'm on fire, i'm heading for the water, not the gas station
mircea_popescu: nubbins` oh i see, that's what it is.
mircea_popescu: what kind of fire are you on ?
cazalla: thestringpuller, yes they did but i thought the garzik slides are from the scaling bitcoin conference (ran the day after or something)
mircea_popescu: how come they're on the kind of fire that can be put out by welfare checks and tightly packed stupiud white cunts,
anton_osika: So I would say that a payment - if I deliver some sort of verification - would strengthen the credibility of MP. As well as bitcoin-assets as a whole.
thestringpuller: cazalla: ah interesting. i'm still outraged tho!
mircea_popescu: not by unused farmland and cheap labour ?
mircea_popescu: hm ? HM ?
nubbins`: lel.
nubbins`: mugabe gave out farmland; how'd that work out for everyone?
nubbins`: i have a $100Tn bill upstairs that says "not so well"
mircea_popescu: anton_osika the main intellectual pivot here is the notion that "everyone must make it". this is what informs your "what if there's a solar flare" thing.
thestringpuller: "Stuck at 1M strangles Bitcoin growth and adoption" lol
mircea_popescu: however, this place is predicated on the converse : everyone MUST NOT make it.
mircea_popescu: so the solar flare isn't a problem to it.
thestringpuller: cazalla: Seems all of the BIPers (Gavin Hearn Garzik et. al), talked about this.
anton_osika: In some chain of events however unlikely any of you would lose your PGP identities.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu do you suppose they'd still be holding the sign if tanzania was a first-world country that also happened to carpet bomb syria?
nubbins`: i wonder.
mircea_popescu: too counterfactual to guess.
mircea_popescu: anton_osika yup.
nubbins`: anton_osika fwiw if mp pays out, it would wreck his credibility
mircea_popescu: nubbins` but the important point remains : there IS SPACE for you here. and you dun wanna go here, you wanna go there. where you most pointedly don't belong, you want to go.
mircea_popescu: the monkey quality.
anton_osika: The meaning of GPG contracts are being defined as we speak, as of those being honoured and those who are not, and I think you might agree that it is a better contract if it can - as any other contract between to individuals - be honoured in good faith aka. when fulfilled beyond reasonable doubt.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu since when is "space" the primary consideration?
nubbins`: there's space in canada's north
nubbins`: but the gov has to pay people to move there.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` not for them, too cold.
anton_osika: mircea_popescu: Where is it that I wan't to go you say?
nubbins`: twodogs is too cold for the sudanese who live here
nubbins`: they have jackets tho.
mircea_popescu: here';s some basic logic : when you're fucked, you move among weaker people to recover, if you're worth two shits.
mircea_popescu: anton_osika a) gpg contracts are already defined, cuz that article ; b) we don't agree.
nubbins`: "worth two shits" changes when your country and meat-wot are both rubble
mircea_popescu: the point of this entire thing is to make existence painful and difficult. not to continue the convenience of consumers.
anton_osika: I'm trying to make the system less reliant on one single part of failure, but I see I have failed.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` so you can't take the family and go to tanzania. because why ?
nubbins`: sure i can.
mircea_popescu: this is essentially the alf argument. "i can't do anything by myself"
mircea_popescu: if you can't, why'd europe want you ?
nubbins`: lel.
mircea_popescu: if you can, why aren';t you going to tanzania!
nubbins`: what's alf gonna do in tanzania?
anton_osika: Arguably I am wrong as well.
nubbins`: milk a cow?
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anton_osika: But I will go on in my venture to find a way to verify my identity.
mircea_popescu: yes. milk a fucking cow.
nubbins`: but he doesn't know how
mircea_popescu: what, these immigrants were born with a cow milking interdiciton ?
mircea_popescu: so he learns. does he know how to be european ?
mircea_popescu: anton_osika better go on a venture to find a way to protect your next one.
nubbins`: afaik being european just means breakfast is weird and coffee is always espresso.
nubbins`: 0/10 do not want
mircea_popescu: yeah, there's no bacalaureat anymore. and you don't need to know three languages. and so on.
mircea_popescu: you can just be your fucktarded tribal shithead self, and will be ok.
mircea_popescu: mmmmmmkay.
mircea_popescu: if that;s the idea, go to tanzania, there it'll work to everyone's satisfaction.
mircea_popescu: for tanzania, it even is an improvement.
trinque: intellectuals need to be humiliated with manual labor at some point in life
trinque: shovel cow shit; I have
mircea_popescu: wait, the refugees are also intellectuals ?
trinque: was referring to alf in tanzania
mircea_popescu: i doubt it, they'd have emigrated to maryland.
mircea_popescu: oh. iirc he had an episode doing something
nubbins`: no, the syrian intellectuals are hanging out here:
trinque: so they did that to their own home
nubbins`: they stayed 'cause they're intellectual, see
trinque: what are they going to do to anyone else's?
mircea_popescu: that looks like a bomb blast
nubbins`: sure does
nubbins`: but if you've got a smartphone... why leave, right?
trinque: not the point at all
trinque: this presumption that anywhere else must take them comes from what?
nubbins`: your imagination?
nubbins` searches log for someone saying this
trinque: so you're just saying "why wouldn't they go to germany" ?
trinque: I don't have argument with that, only the idiocy of germany accepting
nubbins`: i'm saying they'd be fucking idiots to (a) stay (b) go to tanzania
mircea_popescu: trinque well, i see merit in it. the presumption you can enforce borders comes from what ?
nubbins`: trinque germany's the big economic powerhouse, yes?
trinque: if one can, one can
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i don't follow b and a is a ridiculous strawman effort to somehow gang b.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` "germany" in the sense of "not them", not germany in the sense of, "everyone in this perimeter".
nubbins`: sure
mircea_popescu: i hear women live longer, go become a woman to live longer.
mircea_popescu: it's the exact sylogism of germany is a powerhouse i r immigrant there.
anton_osika: Thanks for the chat anyhow gentlemen.
nubbins`: suppose there's 20 people trying to cross a river. 19 of them can't swim, the 20th is an olympic gold medallist and can lift 5x his own body weight, while swimming.
nubbins`: #20 says "we should all carry some of these watermelons across the river with us"
anton_osika: I'm getting a new identity with phunctor...
deedbot-: accepted: 1
trinque: til deedbot's regex dun mind a comma
nubbins`: that's germany
anton_osika: But I'm not giving up just yet. As the real antonosika wherever he is does deserve his payment...
mircea_popescu: nubbins` wut ?!
nubbins`: #20 will probably not drown. 1-19 probably will.
nubbins`: wait, watermelons float
nubbins`: make it goats or smth
mircea_popescu: this is such a nutty example...
nubbins`: heh.
mircea_popescu: why is #20 making rules for the rest ?
nubbins`: why is germany telling eu to take refugee quotas?
mircea_popescu: cuz eu owes it A SHITTON of money
thestringpuller: whatever happened to that Julia Tourianski chick that was in the channel way back when
mircea_popescu: for all the ipads and cars and shit they "borrowed"
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller ask her!
nubbins`: woo time for a jazz smoke
thestringpuller: ;;seen moeity
gribble: I have not seen moeity.
mircea_popescu: << especially seeing how the 80mn country is made of white people, with very soft connections, and the 1mn is made of middle easteners, with the habit of strong connections.
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 19:46:50; trinque: the idea that a million or more people are going to peacefully integrate with a country of roughly 80 million is questionable
mircea_popescu: the russian mob took over with 1/100 that manpower.
mircea_popescu: it'll be grand :D
thestringpuller: ;;seen moeity;;seen moiety
gribble: (seen [<channel>] <nick>) -- Returns the last time <nick> was seen and what <nick> was last seen saying. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. <nick> may contain * as a wildcard.
trinque popcorns
thestringpuller: ;;seen moiety
gribble: moiety was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 47 weeks, 2 days, 11 hours, 5 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: <moiety> i have to go, it was nice to see yous
thestringpuller: wow i need a new keyboard
mircea_popescu: i am genuinely expecting to see white teens on the open market in the sub-btc range as a result of all this, which is all the better.
mircea_popescu: << i bet every extremist cell worth its salt sent everyone it could possibly send.
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 19:49:18; shinohai: I'll bet Islamic extremists are foaming at the mouth hoping to recruit a few.
trinque: mircea_popescu: as the concept of the WoT sunk in it occurred to me that we have very weak social connections here in american meatspace too
mircea_popescu: ofcourse.
mircea_popescu: why do you suppose the mexicans rule texas ?
trinque: for that very reason.
mircea_popescu: cuz short corky is better ?
mircea_popescu: no. cuz white idiots are too fucking weird to even look at each other
mircea_popescu: let alone grab ass.
trinque: I am the only guy in this apartment block that makes eye contact and says hello.
trinque: and they smile and then scurry away, heh
mircea_popescu: anyway, 500k pakis in the uk over 20 years produced rotterham, 5mn pakis in eu over 20 weeks will produce...
trinque: anton_osika: see that EMP isn't gonna be so bad
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mircea_popescu: << as far as tsipras & co are concerned, this thing is manna.
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 19:49:58; trinque: europe cannot maintain the political myth that people are equal, fungible, interchangable without accepting these refugees.
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 19:54:52; nubbins`: refugees escaping an oppressive regime
mircea_popescu: they didn't go to fucking vienna.
mircea_popescu: that's the big thing. the upwards mobile refugee is the prototype of the scumbag.
thestringpuller: this convo reminds me of that old sci-fi show "Alien Nation"
thestringpuller: which recently I realized was a pun
mircea_popescu: the people who immigrated into the us ~back when the us was a shithole~ made it great. the people who immigrated after it was great made it a shithole again.
mircea_popescu: << absolute 100% pure bullshit. it has NOTHING to do with treatment and everything to do with habit.
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 19:57:55; nubbins`: going apeshit in the streets is generally a direct result of treatment, either by other citizens or government
mircea_popescu: which is why the french strike every week and japanese never did. what treatment ?
thestringpuller: lol. or how black people responded to the Rodney King verdict (or the cops who beat him)
mircea_popescu: "people" don't do anything for any other reason than because "that's what's done".
thestringpuller: rioting doesn't do anything tho except tear down your neighbor's business.
mircea_popescu: << mp can relate no such tales. nor can the people that went through the us warcrimes in yugoslavia.
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 19:58:20; nubbins`: mp can probably relate tales of .ro folk going apeshit in streets in late 80s, early 90s, and they weren't muslim
mircea_popescu: where the fuck is that picture i had of the FOOTBALL FANS packed quietly and safely 10x in the stadium cca 80s
thestringpuller: the revolution in Romania during the late 80's didn't involve rioting?
mircea_popescu: not in the sense you imagine.
mircea_popescu: the secret police broke a dozen display windows down on the main street. that was most of it.
mircea_popescu: (then the rebel people guarded the shops)
thestringpuller: I wonder why it's so rampant in AMerican society.
thestringpuller: Black kid gets killed by white cop, people start throwing molotovs at cars and storefronts and shit.
mircea_popescu: well at the time the romanians considered they owned the place. ie, the shops.
mircea_popescu: official ideology is "belong to the people"
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 20:25:04; trinque: ah I loved playing lemmings on DOS
thestringpuller: I would assume American who goes to Bob's Burgers everyday for lunch would be less inclined to throw molotov and bricks in Bob's windows during "revolt/riot" but doesn't seem to be case.
mircea_popescu: mayhem something was nuts.
mircea_popescu: "american" is not a thing, to begin with. he just lives there.
mircea_popescu: << sounds like an interesting derivation on sokoban
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 20:28:52; danielpbarron: level starts with dominoes set up, and you have to move them around so that you can push one and have them all fall over. And there are different types that react different ways
trinque: mircea_popescu: looked up the levels; I must've stopped at 29, as I recall the water
trinque will have to load the thing up in dosbox one day and finally defeat it
thestringpuller: isn't lemmings on everything now
mircea_popescu: it was brutal, the last 20 or 40 or so
mircea_popescu: everything sterel, can' dig. etc.
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 20:45:19; trinque: because reason is something you fall out of the womb with, not something carved into your haphazard mess of a brain
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 20:47:22; cazalla: trinque, i really don't think they'd understand or be able to make a connection between their behaviour and your reaction
mircea_popescu: << i've yet to see a kid aged 7 or less to not be fucking PETRIFIED of a half-decent adult male war face.
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 20:51:27; cazalla: not at 20 months, maybe 6-7 years of age.. but who knows, maybe i've grown soft having not had a fight or been punched in some time
mircea_popescu: so gimme your war face!
trinque: if they're wired for anything else how not that?
mircea_popescu: << it's very funny to me that all sorts of social media derps take total umbrage to my stating things like "your sexual parts are collectively owned by the otyher gender", but then the community-ownership oif the product thereof is fairly uncontroversial. this is best proof if one needs proof that no, people don't do anything because.
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 21:04:22; cazalla: goes beyond the parents these days though, kids are seen as owned by the community and all that shit, i expect to meet a lot of opposition and resistance in the years ahead
mircea_popescu: they just do what's dopne and that's all there is to it.
mircea_popescu: expecting "the citizenry" to "rebel" and "fix the politics" is not unlike expecting the bearing balls in your busted wheel to rebel and fix your planetary.
mircea_popescu: "they live there right!??!?!"
mircea_popescu: "how come all they ever do is break more of their neighbour's shit!"
mircea_popescu: << you're not really fat if you wear really tight clothes, and you're not reallty stupid if you never cease yakking. it's the new logic!
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 21:26:22; trinque: god yes, lets project our weakness as far as possible into space
cazalla: <<< i don't care if they do survive or not (beyond my own kid of course)
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 23:17:35; mircea_popescu: << so why should they survive then ?
cazalla: and i've made the war face and had staring competition with the kid when having a tantrum, he doesn't budge so quickly
diana_coman: ahahah cazalla gotta try that with mine (almost 3yo) next time
diana_coman: gotta say though that I can (and did) get him to freeze by using a certain tone
cazalla: teaspoon of honey goes over well when it comes to foot stamping :P
cazalla: prob hanging myself by reinforcing such behaviour with sweetness though eh
diana_coman: you mean you get a teaspoon of honey whenever he has a tantrum ? :)))
diana_coman: if he likes honey, then I'd say so, yes
trinque: boy did I grow up in a time of cultural transition, lol
cazalla: not whenever nor everytime, just when it gets so bad that i'm about to have a tantrum myself
diana_coman: so war face then, lol
trinque got a kick in the ass, and a conversation with a very angry man about why what I did was below what was expected of me
diana_coman: there, trinque has it
trinque: and not as if this was all the time; I didn't like it, you see :P
diana_coman: at one point I got him to another room, told him to call me when he's done with it
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trinque: I think it's perfectly normal for the desires of the kid and parent to be completely at odds
trinque: the kid just got here; what does he know?
diana_coman: well, tantrums can have many causes
diana_coman: that's at 1 week, lol
trinque: oh, nothing's going to stop a screaming baby
trinque: that's perfectly healthy too
diana_coman: they know what they see otherwise
diana_coman: and they do nothing else than watch; intently
cazalla: yeah that's interesting eh, my son even copies the way i walk, gets behind me and tries to time the footsteps and all
trinque: that's pretty cool.
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cazalla: gets the empty toilet paper roll and goes around the skirting boards pretending to vacuum too
mats: cute
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mircea_popescu: <diana_coman> you mean you get a teaspoon of honey whenever he has a tantrum ? :))) << ehehehe see, this is why women are stuck with raising kids.
mircea_popescu: men just aren't cunny enough.
mircea_popescu: (alternate spelling of cunning, if you're wondering)
mircea_popescu: * trinque [...] a very angry man about why what I did was below what was expected of me << for the record, i don't think very much of this entire "expectations" verbiage/bs. if you think a little about it, so would you. a) what sort of fucking powerless vulnerable schmuck lets himself get into the position of DEPENDING on a kid ? that's what you're saying. don't say that, not only is it not true it's also very stupid.
mircea_popescu: and then b) supposing the kid is dumb enough to actually buy it, how the fuck is it going to balance anxiety throughout his life ?
mircea_popescu: suppose your wife dies in a car crash next year. which can happen, as it happens thousands of times each year. was it the kid's failurew that did it ? no ? how do you know ?
mircea_popescu: how does it know ?
mircea_popescu: maybe that's what happens for doing so much less [in school] than what was EXPECTED of him.
mircea_popescu: mom dies in car crash.
cazalla: please, let it be me lol
mircea_popescu: and who the fuck decided you even GET to have "expectations". and if you do, why can't it ? it expects the government to fix his bed wetting now!
mircea_popescu: anyway. anglos are uniquely bad at child rearing. it's like african engineering, english pedadogy and north korean cuisine.
mircea_popescu: "have a raw corn cobb, what could be better."
nubbins`: south korean cuisine, on the other hand
nubbins`: altho tbf the north eats kimchi too.
mircea_popescu: yea well.
nubbins`: i found a jar of kimchi that i made april 11 in the back of the fridge today
mircea_popescu: btw, had some spledid kimchi with my sushi at this local japanese guy's place
trinque: mircea_popescu: hm yeah, even that is euphemistically skirting the issue of "was commanded A, did B"
nubbins`: thinking of a few things to make w/ it
mircea_popescu: trinque imo it's much better to let kids play their little mmorpg of reality. just explain to them how to level, and how to distinguish paladins from necromancers and lower level from high
mircea_popescu: the rest... fuck it, you got your own life to fuck up.
nubbins`: it's divine with grilled pork belly, bean paste & leaf lettuce
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nubbins`: "Most tourists from the United States have no idea they're not permitted to take sealskin products back into their country. When Prince explains the situation, she said they're flabbergasted."
nubbins`: "One lady, she bought a pair of the sealskin sneakers. She said, 'I'm taking my chance. I really want them and I'm going to take my chance.'"
nubbins`: modern smugglers: middle-aged women sneaking sealskin tennis shoes back home in their luggage
mircea_popescu: the real question is why the fuck would she want to go back.
mircea_popescu: it's like, soviet citizen goes to paris, ahs a decent meal, then is like... "ima sneak these steaks back into leningrad"
mircea_popescu: nigga.... why ?!
mircea_popescu: anton_osika i don't understand what you think pgp sigs have to do with phuctor ?
mircea_popescu: it's what threw me the first time.
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nubbins`: i came, i saw, i lel'd
nubbins`: i back'd up the backups
danielpbarron: << in all his negotiating the impossible, I saw no mention of the obvious (although still unacceptable) alternative to GPG: sign message with the bitcoin address that spent the 3 bitcoin to mp's address
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 22:42:29; anton_osika: But I will go on in my venture to find a way to verify my identity.
mircea_popescu: mebbe he knew it wouldn't fly.
danielpbarron: perhaps it was sent from a "shared wallet" l0l
nubbins`: direct from circle
cazalla: mircea_popescu, phunctor!
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nubbins`: man, the final level in this captain toad is a worthy challenge
nubbins`: 50 randomly generated boards, with increasingly difficult enemies, two hits and you're dead
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danielpbarron: << your tone carries through on irc even. At least it gives me pause when you challenge my Eulora theories
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 23:38:34; diana_coman: gotta say though that I can (and did) get him to freeze by using a certain tone
nubbins`: almost worse
trinque: looks like a fun rom
nubbins`: i'm dying to play the new super mario maker
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trinque: saw an ad for that just now, actually looks pretty fun
trinque: the new animation style Nintendo's gone with is obnoxious, though
trinque: inflatable mickey mouse
nubbins`: ehh whatcha expect
nubbins`: anyway, you can choose from i think 4 different styles with this one
thestringpuller: can't make this dumb up: "surprise surprise. This was already brought up here about 3 months ago. Unfortunately with the Coinwallet Stress Test the other Altcoin businesses will use the results as a casestudy when they pitch their own blockchain to Fidelity, Citibank ,etc etc."
nubbins`: there's one ad spot where kid is playing and dad says HEY CAN I TRY and then converts level to smb1 skin
nubbins`: they beat their franchises to death
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 22:42:34; nubbins`: but he doesn't know how
nubbins`: but... the gameplay's usually there, so they get a pass
nubbins`: you mean you wouldn't move to tanzania if you could milk a cow?
asciilifeform: << the implication, unless i am mistaken, is that i ought to go to tanzania, mongolia, wherever, to avoid being shot in the head. but what do i need not-being-shot-in-the-head for, in tanzania ?
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 22:42:17; nubbins`: what's alf gonna do in tanzania?
asciilifeform: i only need it if i have my workstation and roquefort.
asciilifeform: know what the english said ?
asciilifeform: 'if you fall overboard, have the decency to drown like a gentleman.'
nubbins`: implication is that while you're a smart guy, you rely on other things to make your smartness useful
asciilifeform: the implication is that man does not live by bread alone (tm)
nubbins`: in the narrow context of your current employment, i should qualify
asciilifeform: actually i'd prefer ~no~ employment and just a dirigible full of money.
asciilifeform: but that's beside the point.
nubbins`: money's heavier than air
nubbins`: is this an ethereum joke?
trinque: lol
asciilifeform: it's a sleep-ad-libitum joke
asciilifeform: but what i was trying to explain is that i don't get this bizarre preoccupation with survival.
trinque: how can one value anything else if not that?
asciilifeform: easily.
asciilifeform: ask the japanese
asciilifeform: or just about any traditional culture
trinque: magical thinking
nubbins`: oh ho
trinque: my capacity to value things ends at death
thestringpuller: trinque: star fox is a lot like link. doesn't really change. (i'm under the notion windwaker was a throwback)
nubbins`: no heroes in trinque's family
trinque: plenty actually, and they survived
trinque: great granddaddy got the silver star
asciilifeform: it isn't about heroes either
asciilifeform: it is about wanting to live as man, not pig, and not needing pig-life for anything.
thestringpuller: damn. now I want to play starfox
cazalla: thestringpuller, link has changed tremendously, he's a girl now
nubbins`: so you find yourself in the mud and what, lie down?
thestringpuller: Link is a girl now?
asciilifeform: nubbins`: not the point
trinque mentally hops sideways to Chrono Trigger
trinque: one of my favorite RPGs
asciilifeform: the point is that i will not go to the mud voluntarily.
nubbins`: syrians didn't either
nubbins`: mp's argument is hey if you're refugeeing, tanzania is just as good as anywhere else
nubbins`: or at least that's the outer layer of it, i can't be fucked to peel all of his onions for him
thestringpuller: lol cazalla back to the cel shading
thestringpuller: cazalla: we never did get ot battle pokemons
assbot: Pikachu on Acid - YouTube ... ( )
cazalla: thestringpuller, have not played recently so won't be any time soon
nubbins`: ^ this is maybe the second-most accurate depiction of LSD i've seen in video format
nubbins`: #1 goes to mad men
assbot: Mad Men: LSD Scene [HD] 720p - YouTube ... ( )
nubbins`: combine those two videos somehow and you're close to the real thing
trinque: nubbins`: ah the way the colors shift, got that on the last trip
thestringpuller: "Well Dr. Leary I find your product boring." << megalulz
nubbins`: it gets better.
asciilifeform: << this is not hard. mine fields, flame thrower tanks, etc. some countries selectively refuse to enforce them, yes. but not because the tech does not exist.
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 22:47:27; mircea_popescu: trinque well, i see merit in it. the presumption you can enforce borders comes from what ?
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 23:06:04; mircea_popescu: "american" is not a thing, to begin with. he just lives there.
asciilifeform: 'nobody dies for his hotel room' (tm)
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> mp's argument is hey if you're refugeeing, tanzania is just as good as anywhere else << no. my argument is that if you're refugeeing, where you go to refugee discriminates you. if you go to the eu, you're a scumbag. if you go to tanzania, you're somebody.
mircea_popescu: because YOU know if you are or you aren't worth shit, and YOU act accordingly.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall the euro jews who refused, collectively, to go to south america ?
mircea_popescu: and they got shot for it, as they should have been ?
asciilifeform: same basic dynamic, aha
mircea_popescu: i would hope they did.
mircea_popescu: because seriously, nobody needs them nobody wants them and they shouldn't even be here in the first place.
asciilifeform: !s ms st louis
assbot: 0 results for 'ms st louis' :
asciilifeform: ;;google ms st louis
gribble: MS St. Louis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Voyage of the St. Louis - United States Holocaust Memorial Museum: <>; The Tragedy of S.S. St. Louis | Jewish Virtual Library: <>
thestringpuller: for some reason this reminds me of kowloon walled city
trinque: the last one got more shares
trinque: success
nubbins`: total shoop
trinque: doesn't matter still lolled
nubbins`: well, we can't take that away from you
danielpbarron: trinque mentally hops sideways to Chrono Trigger << I got the official snes cartridge. I understand it's one of the more popular games from that era, but personal fav was "Secret of Mana"
nubbins`: never owned a snes
danielpbarron: mine still works. I sometimes use it to play competative smb3 via All-Stars
trinque: danielpbarron: also good; both were Square games iirc
nubbins`: i went nes-genesis-psx-xbox-wii-wiiu
nubbins`: with various handhelds scattered throughout
trinque spend some time last night writing notes on a WoT+deedbot web of CLOS displayed by CLIM
trinque: maybe 75% because I want in-WoT warez
trinque: be they ROMs or books
trinque: *spent
cazalla: danielpbarron, what's competitive smb3? this?
assbot: The Wizard - I love the Power Glove... it's so bad (Full Scene) - YouTube ... ( )
trinque: I think the point about data vs code is key, that I might be willing to encounter someone else's data without a WoT relationship, but I'll be damned if I want to run their code
thestringpuller: trinque: i'd listen to their music tho
trinque: I'd rather have the index of the right man's bookshelf than access to every landfill on earth for free
nubbins`: you'd listen to their mixtape?
thestringpuller: studio album
thestringpuller: mix tapes are for the A&R people
thestringpuller: unless you're drake
thestringpuller: the one good thing from canada
trinque: looool
mircea_popescu: <trinque> maybe 75% because I want in-WoT warez << win.
mircea_popescu: amusingly enough, in-wot you can;'t even define "warez".
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: You ever play Secret of Evermore? That cartridge is worth quite a bit these days iirc.
mircea_popescu: much like "IP" had little meaning in the minstrel era.
danielpbarron: cazalla> danielpbarron, what's competitive smb3? << the game can be played "2 player" and each player has a separate score. You get the most points from time left over on the counter, so it's not usually a good idea to go back for coins.
trinque: mircea_popescu: very true
asciilifeform: << these have been turning up since at least 2008
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 23:25:55; mircea_popescu: << ahaha for reals ?!
asciilifeform: i thought it was well-known.
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: That cartridge being Chrono Trigger.
danielpbarron: thestringpuller, yes I am familiar with that one (my cousins had it) but unfortunately I never got it
asciilifeform: notably, the tungsten-cored bars are ~trivial~ to detect, and their very existence is predicated on ~nobody wanting to detect~. this was discussed here iirc.
danielpbarron: yes it was worth about 100 USD last i checked (10 years ago)
thestringpuller: I didn't get to play Chrono Trigger till the PSX era when they rereleased it. It's a great game. Just so many different endings.
mircea_popescu: 10 oz bar is not really storage grade toh.
mircea_popescu: seems more like consumer fraud
nubbins`: the real lulz are when the good delivery bars are drilled out
nubbins`: meantime, why so much leeway in weight for GD?
nubbins`: between 350 and 430 tr.oz, srsly?
mircea_popescu: tbh, the gold delivery process is not large enough. the only way to do it currently is to send delegates to observe assays. takes 7-10 days.
nubbins`: i'll take 430s, please
mircea_popescu: gavin should write a GIP to improve gold transfer blockspace.
mircea_popescu: if all the gold in the world changed hands right now it would take ~12 years to clear it all.
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: i think the cart alone goes for 120-140ish now. Full gets up (box et. al) is probably double that maybe 300-400 range.
asciilifeform: iirc we did this here... can build machine that gives GUARANTEED tungsten-or-not, for 100 usd.
asciilifeform: but no one will every buy it.
cazalla: danielpbarron, i hate 2 player mode - always used to ensure console time is evenly shared amongst brothers :\
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform we're discussing the things that are, not the things that could be.
nubbins`: too scary to actually look in the crystal ball
danielpbarron: thestringpuller, i also have the manual, but not the box (i bought the manual separately from the cart
mircea_popescu: the gold blockchain, as is, has ~10kbps bw.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: things-that-are involve either melt-and-assay or that $50k ultrasound box
nubbins`: but those sidechain tx's!
mircea_popescu: melt and assay.
mircea_popescu: (random pick, but stll)
asciilifeform: (iirc the ultrasound thing is used for spot-checks)
danielpbarron: cazalla, it's only evenly shared if you are evenly matched in battle mode (the thing that happens if you catch the player lingering on your square)
nubbins`: danielpbarron +1
mircea_popescu: there's also a heat diffusion pattern method
danielpbarron: people get so pissy when I catch them into a battle and take their turn
mircea_popescu: (very similar to the nazi watering to look for buried stuff thing)
nubbins`: you can play the whole 2p game yourself if you're good in battle mode
danielpbarron: eh not really
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha. this is btw the only reliable test for diamond.
trinque: asciilifeform: is there something respectable to look at in the CL world in regards to RPC?
danielpbarron: if you're reaaaly good, you plan your levels out so as to not get stuck in battles at all
asciilifeform: commercially available, and, unlike the gold thing, costs pennies
asciilifeform: trinque: rpc ?
nubbins`: what ever became of all that perfect synthetic diamond hype?
mircea_popescu: yeah cause diamond isnt as conductive
trinque: asciilifeform: that guy has a function I wanna get the result of via a socket
asciilifeform: nubbins`: sop. can go, buy now
asciilifeform: trinque: why the fuck do you need a library for this
nubbins`: they're still forever tho, right?
trinque: wondering if there was some elegant way of doing this in the civilized era
trinque: who said library...
mircea_popescu: forever -1 nubbins`
asciilifeform: trinque: it's an extra line of code, write it yourself
trinque: fine answer; I've developed the habit of at least trying to look for prior art before reinventing something
asciilifeform: trinque: the very fact of having asked the question is indicative of needing detox from years of using shitlangs
asciilifeform: << a year ago, and 100% factual, but go and try speaking of this to non-#b-a folks, aha.
asciilifeform: 'From the start, my revelations on this blog about Red Hat’s deep control of Linux, along with their large corporate/government connections, hasn’t been just about spying, but about losing the distributed engineering quality of Linux, with Red Hat centralizing control. Yet as an ex-cypherpunk and crypto software developer, as soon as I started using Linux years ago, I noted that all the major distributions used watered-dow
asciilifeform: n encryption (to use stronger encryption in many areas, such as AES-loop, you needed to compile your own kernel and go to great lengths to manually bypass barriers they put in place to the use of genuinely strong encryption)....'
trinque: asciilifeform: seems to me the right way is simply to barf sexps that look like function calls over the wire
asciilifeform: trinque: you can make them look like whatever, and it'll still be one line.
asciilifeform: this preoccupation with format is a disease of the non-cl world, aha
asciilifeform: where it takes actual fucking work to transform one to another
nubbins`: "Assays of GD bars are determined by the refiner at the point of manufacture. An assay is likely only to be checked again when a bar is used as raw material in a refinery, for example, for the manufacture of small bars or in a plant manufacturing products like jewellery."
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asciilifeform: nubbins`: phun phakt: tungsten bars have 100% genuine assay marks.
trinque: asciilifeform: better question might be whether there are existing hypertext system implementations from that era
trinque: had a thread with gabriel_laddel recently on whether hypertext was even valuable; I hold that it is
deedbot-: [Trilema] What is a fractal ? -
trinque: node over there has data; I want to view it with presentations over here
asciilifeform: trinque: there is the symbolics one
trinque: this was HTML or something else?
asciilifeform: trinque: entirely else.
trinque: obviously I'm searching for the latter
trinque: "document examiner" << ??
asciilifeform: 'concordia' also.
asciilifeform: ('examiner' was a viewer-only thing)
asciilifeform: concordia even typeset books (including the manuals, which i have here on my shelf)
assbot: Symbolics Document Examiner and Concordia on Vimeo ... ( )
nubbins`: i did some typesetting with LaTeX in uni, the math dept required it
asciilifeform: i used and still use latex.
asciilifeform: for all sorts of things.
nubbins`: great for equations
asciilifeform: except not so great for anything which ~didn't start life intended for latexing~
asciilifeform: this is the difference between the typesetter component in 'concordia' and latex
trinque: seems entirely clear to me that a better web would be nothing more than something like a CLIM listener here, and a network of data sources out there
asciilifeform: can take ~whatever~ on the machine and have it sanely typeset.
asciilifeform: trinque: precisely how a better horse is this box with four legs, reins, motor, aha ?
trinque: and maybe the data source proposes to me that my system fetch some new presentations it needs, but that the act of browing around does not *at all* involve running someone else's code
trinque: asciilifeform: we all use the web all day; I'd have to be persuaded that it's useless
asciilifeform: the preoccupation with 'i will read your data but not run your code' is voodoo.
nubbins`: keep going and you'll reinvent MIME types
asciilifeform: the physical difference is imaginary
asciilifeform: !s what colour are your bits
assbot: 6 results for 'what colour are your bits' :
trinque: nubbins`: mime types are a shitty implementation of something that came before it
nubbins`: s/mime types/everything
trinque: too real
nubbins`: you think that's too real, don't ask me about cellular automata
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trinque: asciilifeform: if there could be hard constraints on what someone else's code could do on my computer, I'd be far more willing
asciilifeform: trinque: it isn't really a computer until this is so.
trinque: as it stands I'd like to go back to an addressing system for flat text with the option of involving more code as I see fit
trinque: asciilifeform: there we have no disagreement
gernika: asciilifeform is there a book you can recommend that approximates this, or at least traces a few important branches?
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 20:29:47; mircea_popescu: but V is the best simulation of how actual math learning happens (in those brains actually capable to learn math) that we ever had as a fucking species.
trinque: exactly what I meant about the right man's library index
trinque departs for a bit
asciilifeform: gernika: i cannot answer this because it is not clear to me what is being asked for.
nubbins`: came across my uni transcripts recently: yipes.
nubbins`: i have no business holding a degree
nubbins`: but... the only way they can take it away from me is by rendering it useless throu... waitaminute
nubbins` wanders off to think
gernika: asciilifeform a book that connects pythagoras to newton, with proofs for all the nodes in between?
asciilifeform: gernika: sure. this is a book, except that it is made of 1,001 others and they take up three bookcases.
asciilifeform: i sorta have one here.
gernika: I feared as much.
asciilifeform: but it wouldn't do you any good. there is not a standardized one that works on everybody.
asciilifeform: if you want a pocket-sized 'tour guide', try 'Mathematics: Its Content, Methods and Meaning' (A. D. Aleksandrov, A. N. Kolmogorov, et al)
gernika: ok. thanks.
asciilifeform: readily and cheaply available in english
asciilifeform: paperback.
asciilifeform: problem is, most folks asking for this kind of thing, have vastly overoptimistic idea of what can be expected from a single book and a reasonable amount of study.
trinque: ;;google ext:pdf Mathematics: Its Content, Methods and Meaning
gribble: Mathematics: its content, methods, and meaning - New Mexico ...: <,%20methods,%20and%20meaning.pdf>; algorithms in modern mathematics and computer science: <>; Mathematics Reference Books: (1 more message)
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gernika aims lower. would be satisfied to be able to reconstruct algebra on death bed.
gernika: khan academy's knowledge map approximates what I seek but is tragically composed of video nodes, rather than book titles and page numbers:
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