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BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
hanbot: okay got the planned patch spaghetti untangled, ty asciilifeform. mod6 volunteered to let me torture him tomorrow with release issues. i'll report on how all this goes.
Vexual: taste the soup
Vexual: 6-year box still noncom ascii?
Vexual: incomm?
asciilifeform: same as before
Vexual: did you check the clock?
Vexual: lol
Vexual: recheck?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67700 @ 0.00054115 = 36.6359 BTC [-] {2}
Vexual: u suspect blacklist?
BingoBoingo still wonders where the small machines are with ECC and 2+ sata II ports
Vexual: why u hate on bigger machines?
Vexual: oh, right
BingoBoingo: Vexual: Bigger machine harder to carry across border in ass
BingoBoingo: And more expensive to colo
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: nobody's coloing a 'miracast'
asciilifeform: though i showed mine to diametric today and he pointed out that the 802.11 daughterboard speaks standard usb through those 4 pins
asciilifeform: so potentially one could remove it, replace with a usb 'a' jack
asciilifeform: and insert a normal human ethernet card
Vexual: aslo ascii: battery powered iron??
asciilifeform: Vexual: i like'em - lightweight and easier for precision work, on account of not having two metres of mains cable dragging behind it
BingoBoingo: miracast seems to have lots of potential as NuisanceNet
Vexual: im asounded that you balcony doesnt have a proper station
asciilifeform: Vexual: i don't keep nice things out of doors
asciilifeform: the climate makes short work of anything ferrous
BingoBoingo: Similar here, except for a brief window in 2012 when it was 110+F and California like drought
phf: so the end result of incitatus going online was an exercise in sending a version packet to a node to elicit some sort of response
phf: so if you do that whole socket-connect, write-command, and then (read-byte (usocket:socket-stream *sock*)) you should be getting bytes back, because the node is primed to talk to you
asciilifeform: between this and the block parser, we have maybe a quarter of a cl implementation of bitcoin here...
phf: not surprisingly incitatus doesn't respond
asciilifeform: 365910 atm
asciilifeform: barely 200 blocks in one day
asciilifeform: mostly loaded in short bursts, separated by hours of ...
asciilifeform: accepted connection
asciilifeform: socket closed
asciilifeform: disconnecting node
asciilifeform: accepted connection
asciilifeform: socket no message in first 60 seconds, 1 0
asciilifeform: disconnecting node
asciilifeform: socket no message in first 60 seconds, 1 0
asciilifeform: disconnecting node
asciilifeform: accepted connection
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53068 @ 0.00056191 = 29.8194 BTC [+]
phf: so something /is/ coming through? that's trully odd
asciilifeform: it is exactly like the situation roughly a month ago with mircea_popescu's node.
asciilifeform: which spontaneously resolved when we started discussing it in detail here.
asciilifeform: i'ma let it run until it syncs, and then dump the blocks that ~did~ get through
asciilifeform: and post them publicly
asciilifeform: then i will cancel the contract with that hoster.
BingoBoingo likes how corenetworks has had a teaser colo page forever and done nothing to that end.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it is a cheap and largely forgotten dc, like 1,001 others
BingoBoingo wonders why not can a shitbox and let me pay to put my machien in that space
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: because vm cleverly disguised as old penIII
asciilifeform: how else will they rent it to you for 25bux/mo
BingoBoingo: Blowjobs?
BingoBoingo: Escaped from circus?
assbot: dpaste: 19C0DGW ... ( )
asciilifeform: ^ last ~40 min or so
assbot: Grooveshark co-founder Josh Greenberg, 28, found dead - BBC News ... ( )
asciilifeform: Had Problemz (TM)
BingoBoingo: Gat a shiva hand to write it up? You spotted it so you can call dibs.
asciilifeform: go, write.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.00054071 = 15.4102 BTC [-]
assbot: South Korea spy kills himself amid hacking scandal - BBC News ... ( )
asciilifeform: folks are 'suiciding' left and right.
asciilifeform: !up Vexual
Vexual: ^not suicide, theres no kids helpline link
mod6: hanbot: so, this might help you, it's worth a read through anyway -- it's a script that I created to pull down v0.5.3.1-RELEASE, and then add ascii's recent patches up through verifyall [ read the script for all that are applied ]:
mod6: If you run that script in a directory say ~/sandbox then you can `cd bitcoin-v0_5_3_1` `mkdir -p ourlibs distfiles` - then pull down the boost/bdb/openssl and drop them in distfiles. then finally drop in into the ~/sandbox/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1-RELEASE dir and kick it off. that should do the trick.
mod6: I've probably done a dozen builds this way in the last 2 weeks.
mod6: Anyway, yeah, we can go through it tomorrow. I've also got some curl commands to pull down the distfiles:
mod6: curl "" -s -o distfiles/openssl-1.0.1g.tar.gz
mod6: curl "" -s -o distfiles/db-4.8.30.tar.gz
mod6: boost="" ; curl -L "$boost/1.52.0/boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2 -s -o distfiles/boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2"
mod6: those three command should be run from ~/sandbox/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1
BingoBoingo: Anyone running OpenBSD and radeon graphics. 5.7 seems to actually improve quite a bit over 5.6 in this front.
mod6: Anyone else looking to build the same thing by hand (as opposed to just using stator as is) can use this above process ^^ for now.
mod6: At some point here we'll have a pre-patched source bundle that will be like a release candidate. I'm workin on it :]
Vexual: :)
trinque: mod6: thanks for the script
trinque: great way for us casuals to keep up with what's going on
mod6: anytime :]
mod6: oh, i noticed a mistake above in my text, there is no such dir as 'bitcoin-v0_5_3_1-RELEASE', it's simply 'bitcoin-v0_5_3_1'. hope that doesn't trip anyone up too badly.
phf: asciilifeform: can now receive messages back
phf: #S(MESSAGE-MESSAGE :START-STRING #(249 190 180 217) :COMMAND-NAME "version" :PAYLOAD-SIZE 85 :CHECKSUM #(250 5 185 54)) came from the node and the checksum verifies
phf: i wonder how much of bitcoind can i reimplement by morning..
trinque: haha! well, now you're on record phf
trinque: hear that everyone? common lisp bitcoind is on the way
mod6: (o(m(g)))
phf: comes with MOST-POSITIVE-FIXNUM blocksize
trinque: hahaha
phf: returns by way of version message: #S(VERSION-MESSAGE :VERSION 99999 :SERVICES 1 :TIMESTAMP 1437544122 :ADDR_RECV-SERVICES 1 :ADDR_RECV-IP-ADDRESS #(0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 255 255 71 230 106 172) :ADDR_RECV-PORT 46582 :ADDR_TRANS-SERVICES 1 :ADDR_TRANS-IP-ADDRESS #(0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 255 255 195 211 154 159) :ADDR_TRANS-PORT 36128 :NONCE 9412825019978737752 :USER_AGENT "" :START_HEIGHT 366396)
punkman: !up Vexual
Vexual: hey
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87400 @ 0.00055435 = 48.4502 BTC [+] {2}
Vexual: another funny thing i saw, someone designed the rax increasers to walk across a university lawn thats taboo
Vexual: *tax
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116450 @ 0.00056712 = 66.0411 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 151450 @ 0.00054015 = 81.8057 BTC [-] {4}
punkman: << the worst part is that there was a plan to do exactly this by a couple dozen derps in the parliament
assbot: Logged on 21-07-2015 16:27:25; mircea_popescu: "2. Start printing Euros without authorization from the European Central bank. When accused of forgery, make the forgery harder to detect by changing the letter at the front of the serial number from Y (for Greece) to X (for Germany)." << ahaha gawd.
BingoBoingo: !up SamouraiWallet
punkman: they'd probably run out of paper in a day or two
Vexual: bwahaha
BingoBoingo: SamouraiWallet: How are you handling the forklets?
Vexual: punkmn, it's illegal to mention polymer notes and who prints them here
Vexual: they do smell nice tho
Vexual: not unlikr chanel 5
assbot: BADBADNOTGOOD & Ghostface Killah - Sour Soul (2015) [LEAKED Full Album] - YouTube ... ( )
Vexual: the media was well and truly muted when corruption was suggested
punkman: did they outsource the printing?
Vexual: we did it
Vexual: first with waterproof notes
punkman: well cotton doesn't really dissolve in water anyway
Vexual: plastic is better
Vexual: shit smells delicious
punkman: I wonder if they chose the smell
assbot: JL: The Origin of the C-Word ... ( )
Vexual: i think they must have
Vexual: if you can make your money smell like thw world favourite lady perfume for years on end, its no accident
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22550 @ 0.00056714 = 12.789 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47250 @ 0.00056714 = 26.7974 BTC [+]
punkman: !up Vexual
assbot: Genetic Access Control Code Uses 23andMe DNA Data For Internet Racism - Slashdot ... ( )
punkman: "must be this white to comment"
punkman: << should test LibreSSL with -verifyall
assbot: Logged on 21-07-2015 20:45:04; BingoBoingo: <trinque> anybody ever tried building against libressl yet? << LibreSSL 2.0 fully synced in wild, LibreSSL 2.1 Kept up as of this morning will probably try a full sync eventually
punkman: Vexual: who's the mustache?
BingoBoingo: punkman: I only have foundation builds running on that "Mint" ubuntu like at the moment
Vexual: dunno, cant read the sig
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15550 @ 0.00056126 = 8.7276 BTC [-]
Vexual: old paper
assbot: Logged on 22-07-2015 04:56:23; asciilifeform: << also lulzy
assbot: The Athens Affair - IEEE Spectrum ... ( )
punkman: !up roasbeef
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28050 @ 0.00056126 = 15.7433 BTC [-]
liquidassets: ;;later tell danielpbarron What historically has a pound of flesh equal? Are there any scriptural equivalency tables you can direct me to?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71200 @ 0.00056717 = 40.3825 BTC [+] {3}
trinque: punkman | << should test LibreSSL with -verifyall << I just built a new 0.5.4-beta with mod6's script + libressl, will do that
assbot: Logged on 21-07-2015 20:45:04; BingoBoingo: <trinque> anybody ever tried building against libressl yet? << LibreSSL 2.0 fully synced in wild, LibreSSL 2.1 Kept up as of this morning will probably try a full sync eventually
danielpbarron: ;;later tell liquidassets see for now and I'll get back to you on a Biblical reference (if such a thing exists)
assbot: Logged on 06-07-2015 18:24:00; ben_vulpes: Story has it that he returned to Hazelton, once, after a trip up the Telegraph Trail, and there he found out that he had missed the farthest cabin of all, over two hundred miles away, and there were two men up there left without supplies for the winter. Either the Government had not made the tale of the cabins clear or C. B. himself had miscalculated. However that may have been, the plain fact remained t
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 136550 @ 0.00055775 = 76.1608 BTC [-]
trinque: static 0.5.4-beta libressl node is up to about 100k
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 202758 @ 0.00057985 = 117.5692 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 135485 @ 0.00058991 = 79.924 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62545 @ 0.00059723 = 37.3538 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 186894 @ 0.00054126 = 101.1582 BTC [-] {5}
liquidassets: danielpbarron: Actually this story works really well
liquidassets: ben_vulpes submission for the Trilema GPG Contract short-story contest?
liquidassets: For context, I’m working on opening a retail business in California and I’m kicking ideas around for the concept behind it. I’m thinking of calling it Numéraire Goods. Numeraire good being an economic concept meaning a base good that functions as money in which all other tradable item’s prices are expressed.
liquidassets: So this idea of a pound of flesh being equivalent to a signed contract…I like it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36650 @ 0.00053756 = 19.7016 BTC [-] {4}
funkenstein_: speaking of numeraire, this scholarly piece on gresham's law likely of interest here:
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol what's this, the russiarchist's cookbook ?
mircea_popescu: << that for instance is exactly how you DONT use dogs.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85292 @ 0.00053618 = 45.7319 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57655 @ 0.00053499 = 30.8448 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118267 @ 0.00053302 = 63.0387 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 241580 @ 0.00052965 = 127.9528 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46600 @ 0.00054782 = 25.5284 BTC [+]
assbot: OS X 10.10 DYLD_PRINT_TO_FILE Local Privilege Escalation Vulnerability | SektionEins GmbH ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92950 @ 0.00054949 = 51.0751 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58000 @ 0.00052643 = 30.5329 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 215750 @ 0.00055356 = 119.4306 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53100 @ 0.00055568 = 29.5066 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: bwahahaha
assbot: Logged on 22-07-2015 00:00:52; BingoBoingo: and DDos This << hanbot
assbot: Logged on 22-07-2015 00:35:20; trinque: next innovation is constructing both sides!
mircea_popescu: what, you mean like people pretending to be judges pretending to listen to people who are pretending to be das pretending to be prosecuting people who are pretending to be breaking the law ? the first in the hopes of selling this into a "political career", the latter in the hopes of selling this into a "career in showbiz" ?
mircea_popescu: INCONCEIVABRU
mircea_popescu: << sadly there can always be a question of misconfiguration. it's the internet.
assbot: Logged on 22-07-2015 00:40:14; asciilifeform: there can be ~NO~ fucking question of misconfiguration
assbot: Logged on 22-07-2015 00:54:28; asciilifeform: the days of plaintext packets sailing around the world unmolested are not merely numbered - but long gone.
assbot: Logged on 08-10-2014 14:52:26; mircea_popescu: the whole thing is like 500 sites, not even 1k
assbot: Logged on 21-07-2015 11:39:59; mircea_popescu: amazon instance -> cloudflare -> internet. all via PKI.
assbot: Logged on 22-07-2015 03:04:19; assbot: Logged on 22-07-2015 02:22:29; lobbesbot: New post: Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=12884901891 (PGP Corporation Update Signing Key; PGP Corporation Update Signing Key ; ) <>
asciilifeform: it was in the magiclist
mircea_popescu: << pretty much exactly like originally seen on my node aha.
assbot: Logged on 22-07-2015 03:07:07; asciilifeform: ^ posted here because this fragment is typical
asciilifeform: btw that's still going on
assbot: Logged on 22-07-2015 10:46:44; mircea_popescu: << that for instance is exactly how you DONT use dogs.
assbot: Logged on 22-07-2015 10:46:29; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol what's this, the russiarchist's cookbook ?
asciilifeform: << what i meant was, no misconfiguration on ~my box~
assbot: Logged on 22-07-2015 13:42:52; mircea_popescu: << sadly there can always be a question of misconfiguration. it's the internet.
mircea_popescu: yes but what's that do. i said the same at the time, it was like...mmmkay well... it dun work./
mircea_popescu: "maybe it's the router". "no, because isp has been sane" "well..."
mircea_popescu: read the logs at that time, they stand symbolic of this problem. how the fuck is one to prove the internet is broken X way when iot's consistently broken so many ways from sunday.
asciilifeform: presently, long burst of tx spam
asciilifeform: after that it will fall mostly silent for 20 min or so
asciilifeform: occasionally, gets blocks
assbot: Logged on 22-07-2015 03:44:37; asciilifeform: the whole point of the way the patches were written.
asciilifeform: 'consistently broken' is not quite it. a 'consistently littered' city may have many dog turds, but one does not expect to find unexploded ordnance from ww2 on the sidewalk
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "but maybe it's not really from ww2, and ms doolittle's poodle shat it out"
mircea_popescu: "there's so much we don't understand about biology"
asciilifeform: it is worth noting that my other two nodes (one of which is on residential fiber, even!!) haven't skipped a beat since powerup
mircea_popescu: "yeah, there is. like how the fuck you didn't abord in the third week like every other case of lethal trisomy"
mircea_popescu: (as a boy, /me used to play around a very large unexploded bomb. the crew had taken out the fuse and left it in place, by the 60s the rains had washed it out thoroughly, by the 80s it was a mostly rusted hunk of metal)
mircea_popescu: fun fact : the b52 bombers ? they cost <10mn a piece.
mircea_popescu: no, 52, the 50s thing.
mircea_popescu: stratofortress
asciilifeform expected a ww2 machine
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's old rusty bomb fell in the '50s ?!!
mircea_popescu: i have no idea how it got there. conceivably, dropped during the war
mircea_popescu: upon review, b29 was introduced too late to have been related. romania was out by 1944
asciilifeform: and at any rate, what b29 over ro ?!
asciilifeform: prolly fell out of a polikarpov
mircea_popescu: nah, us bombed romania plenty in the early 40s. major oil supplier for teh third reich.
mircea_popescu: also all sorts of parts an' stuff.
asciilifeform recalls the kid in del toro's 'the devil's backbone' and his gigantic bomb
asciilifeform: thing sits in the spanish countryside, and demented kids hug it, talk to it...
mircea_popescu: it was... i think it must have been about a ton or some shit. it was huge.
assbot: L'échine du diable (2001) - IMDb ... ( )
mircea_popescu: "After Carlos, a 12-year-old whose father has died in the Spanish Civil War, arrives at an ominous boy's orphanage he discovers the school is haunted and has many dark secrets that he must uncover."
asciilifeform: not a bad film
asciilifeform: 'When this variable was added the usual safeguards that are required when adding support for new environment variables to the dynamic linker have not been used. Therefore it is possible to use this new feature even with SUID root binaries. This is dangerous, because it allows to open or create arbitrary files owned by the root user anywhere in the file system. Furthermore the opened log file is never closed and therefore its f
asciilifeform: ile descriptor is leaked into processes spawned by SUID binaries. This means child processes of SUID root processes can write to arbitrary files owned by the root user anywhere in the filesystem. This allows for easy privilege escalation in OS X 10.10.x.' << ahahahahaha
mircea_popescu: re that phoronix thing : isn't it a sad state of affairs when the year is 2015 and yet the best way some computer expert has to convey his problems to others is BY TAKING A PHUCKING CELLPHONE SHOT OF THE SCREEN ?
mircea_popescu: congrats, phoronix, you're now that blonde airhead we like to fuck ?
asciilifeform: sop for yearz
mircea_popescu: how many years ?
asciilifeform: about as many as 'systemd'
mircea_popescu: how many years does it take ffs.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53408 @ 0.00054624 = 29.1736 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: no way to index that thing.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 164742 @ 0.00053325 = 87.8487 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Logged on 22-07-2015 04:37:29; asciilifeform: between this and the block parser, we have maybe a quarter of a cl implementation of bitcoin here...
mircea_popescu: btw phf you saw what i said @you in #eulora ?
mircea_popescu: "There was "no evidence of foul play or suicide," police in Gainesville said via Twitter."
mircea_popescu: i don't understand how the us coroners work these days. if a 28 yo man is found dead at home, the traditional way is to require evidence of natural death
mircea_popescu: not to derp about how there's no proof of "foul play or suicide".
mircea_popescu: totally ass backwards this shit.
mircea_popescu: what, he died of old age ? wtf.
phf: mircea_popescu: yes, it'll be done. sourceforge is down, and that's where crystalspace's repository is hosted. it's been down for couple of days now for all hosted projects
mircea_popescu: you want a signed copy ?
mircea_popescu: i had no fucking idea this is even a thing, but given that we link against a specified version anyway, there's really no reason to even use sourceforge.
mircea_popescu: so yeah, ima move it to the downloads page.
asciilifeform: tcpdump -s 0 port 8333 -w turd.pcap
asciilifeform: incidentally.
asciilifeform: already can see, a great many packets of length 0
mircea_popescu: post last ack ?
asciilifeform: will post whole thing later
phf: mircea_popescu: i have a copy, i was hoping to have an svn repo history that i can work with. but a b-a authorative location can be used for build guides
asciilifeform: 'sourceforge', incidentally, is not long for this world.
mircea_popescu: i had no idea the supply chain is THAT vulnerable, thanks god i asked questions.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform clearly.
asciilifeform: it was recently bought by sp4mz0rz
mircea_popescu: oh ? who ?
phf: right now i think every guide has a different recommendation for what to use. some do svn co on specific revision, some pull snapshot from svn, some pull snapshot from elsewhere
asciilifeform: who began replacing winblows exes hosted therein, with malware
mircea_popescu: phf you mean in the wiki ?
phf: yes
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'dice holdings'
mircea_popescu: yeah that needs some fixing.
asciilifeform: they also own 'slashdot'
mircea_popescu: oh those schmucks.
assbot: Dice swallows Slashdot, SourceForge, Freecode in $20m deal • The Register ... ( )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno if you recall stoya's piece i linked some time ago where she decries a very similar process happening to porn.
asciilifeform: can't recall
mircea_popescu: like it or not, my boys = coders / girls = camwhores thing is closer to the reality of the matter than any hopes dreams or aspirations
mircea_popescu: lemme dig it out.
asciilifeform: << old thread where mircea_popescu's node was jammed in same way
assbot: Logged on 28-06-2015 02:54:10; asciilifeform: 'socket no message in first 60 seconds, 0 1'
asciilifeform: ^ for those who missed.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: all tournament markets are quite alike
mircea_popescu: but i mean this is by the fucking book, where the hell was it
asciilifeform: whether broadway, or pornway, or sv programmerz
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39434 @ 0.00055756 = 21.9868 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: a handful of 'lucky winners' to lead the cannon fodder to their graves
assbot: Tubes vs. Torrents: the Ethics of Piracy ... ( )
assbot: SourceForge grabs GIMP for Windows’ account, wraps installer in bundle-pushing adware [Updated] | Ars Technica ... ( )
mircea_popescu: "According to a 2011 feature in New York, a man named Fabian Thylmann bought a company named Mansef in 2010 to mash their tube sites and other properties together to form a new company called Manwin."
mircea_popescu: EXACTLY dice holdings.
mircea_popescu: buy up all this cheap crud (software, pornware) by the kg, "monetize" it.
assbot: Feds bust through huge Tor-hidden child porn site using questionable malware | Ars Technica ... ( )
mircea_popescu: why exactly this doesn't pop up in the search tho, is an open question
mircea_popescu: anwyay. instructive read for the bois interested in their "profession", its place in the world, future etc. heck, might even help understand girls.
asciilifeform: re: 'monetize':
asciilifeform: 'those with title to something worthless will find a way to extract value from it, making it even more worthless. An abandoned suburban subdivision might be worthless as housing, but valuable as a dump site for toxic waste.' (orlov, who else)
mircea_popescu: there's nothing worthless in nature.
assbot: 404 Not Found ... ( )
assbot: 404 Not Found ... ( )
phf: ^- from
mircea_popescu: yeah right you are.
mircea_popescu: not even sure this actually needs any fixing providing they work
phf: those are down
mircea_popescu: Current Team (1) Kevin Studer Marketing Manager ; Slashdot Media ("leader in professional tech communities") Sep 1, 2012 -$20M (terms undisclosed)
mircea_popescu: imagine! slashdot media worth 20mn. pity they didn;'t have a watsapp slapped on.
assbot: Logged on 22-07-2015 05:55:44; phf: returns by way of version message: #S(VERSION-MESSAGE :VERSION 99999 :SERVICES 1 :TIMESTAMP 1437544122 :ADDR_RECV-SERVICES 1 :ADDR_RECV-IP-ADDRESS #(0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 255 255 71 230 106 172) :ADDR_RECV-PORT 46582 :ADDR_TRANS-SERVICES 1 :ADDR_TRANS-IP-ADDRESS #(0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 255 255 195 211 154 159) :ADDR_TRANS-PORT 36128 :NONCE 9412825019978737752 :USER_AGENT "" :START_HEIGHT 36639
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85900 @ 0.00056509 = 48.5412 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: "Perhaps some users will implement it in a harmless and beneficial way, such as creating a safe space for women. But it’s just as likely that, in a few years, Googling for a snippet of this code yields search results that are the equivalent of a who’s who of racist and misogynist sites."
phf: mircea_popescu: it was for common lispers in the crowd
mircea_popescu: fucktards. "perhaps this racist thing could be used to disadvantage the races i happen to hate, which i call positive. but as the race i happen to hate happens to also be objectively superior to the other races, it will likely play out the other way. OH NOES!"
mircea_popescu: wtf is wrong with these people.
mircea_popescu: how about stop fucking being racist already, if racism bothers you so much. jeez.
mircea_popescu: "i hold an unsubstantiable, borderline pathological belief that the white race is better than all others. i spend my time trying to convince everyone to pick on white people by calling them racist if they do not". the whole libertard agenda on "race" as they understand it.
mircea_popescu: just how self parodic can the "human rights" twerps get ?
asciilifeform: 'Manwin used their traffic to sell ad space to those same production companies they enabled theft from. Production companies paid a lot for banners. Manwin then began buying the companies they had helped devalue, including Digital Playground—the company I was contracted to for a number of years. I believe the worst sorts of capitalists would consider Manwin’s behavior a win of the highest order.' << sop
asciilifeform: classic 'arsonist's fire sale'
mircea_popescu: << no, we're aware. the word "numerar" is actually how you say cash in romanian.
assbot: Logged on 22-07-2015 10:14:26; liquidassets: For context, I’m working on opening a retail business in California and I’m kicking ideas around for the concept behind it. I’m thinking of calling it Numéraire Goods. Numeraire good being an economic concept meaning a base good that functions as money in which all other tradable item’s prices are expressed.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform by the mid 2000s anyone with half a clue had long left porn. the remaining mouthbreathers were kind-of fun to watch, which is why gfy was such a success with people in the know.
mircea_popescu: by now...
mircea_popescu: actually it's probably ready for a revival, if people like stoya, kim kardashian and whoever else of the new slut generation can be arsed.
asciilifeform: not sure how that would work
mircea_popescu: me either. let them fucking figure it out neh ?
asciilifeform: what, exactly, would persuade anyone to pay money to look at pictures again ?
mircea_popescu: why would it be pictures ?
asciilifeform: what else.
mircea_popescu: cage au folles / moulin rouge. six story building consisting of an orgy + chapters in each campus ?
asciilifeform envisions rms chiming in: 'support contractz!'
mircea_popescu: recruit young women in the "Fuck army", as per ?
assbot: The Gentlemen Prefer CoEds Club on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
mircea_popescu: just as long as it makes everyone livid, it's got a shot.
mircea_popescu: sexual mercantilism is definitely going to come back in a major way, seeing how a) it's fundamental to black culture (as opposed to muslim culture) which is a major cultural war raging right now that white dudes know jack about ; b) there is no redeeming value to males atm outside of access to resources.
mircea_popescu: no strength no knowledge no will no nothing. so they're gonna be paying.
asciilifeform: l0l what resources
asciilifeform: biodiesel ?
mircea_popescu: their problem.
asciilifeform: what is the 'cultural war' referenced earlier?
asciilifeform: brothel vs harem ?
mircea_popescu: not quite. let's see...
mircea_popescu: the african view on women, somewhat seen in things like "bros before hos" is that they are a numerary commodity. the muslim view on women, somewhat visible in burkas et all, is that they are a funciary commodity. to use the terminology suggested by our young friend with a california shop to be.
mircea_popescu: dja understand the distinction ?
asciilifeform: fungibility ?
mircea_popescu: not exactly. no muslim would try to provide his social proof by lining up a bunch of women behind him.
mircea_popescu: which is why young men are treated that certain way in islam. gotta have a numerary commodity, and money can't be it.
mircea_popescu: (because they're retarded)
asciilifeform: ('bros before hos' (tm) (r) is not strictly african, but almost literally exists as a maxim among ru outlaw folks)
mircea_popescu: russians are african.
asciilifeform: aha in that sense, yes!
mircea_popescu: whereas muslims, contrary to the bum job they're getting, are actually quite consumately decadent.
mircea_popescu: golden crescent, a sort of its very own rhine valley.
mircea_popescu: anyway. a funciary commodity, ie like land in medieval europe, is the good that makes all other goods.
mircea_popescu: a numerary commodity, ie money in jewish europe, is the good that measures all other goods.
mircea_popescu: there are numerous points where these orthogonal concerns come into objective conflict, which is always resolved culturally.
mircea_popescu: wherein hitting an idiot over the head repeatedly is patently a cultural process.
mircea_popescu: anyway, this is kinda why putin is so amusing to me personally. he's basically trying to preach a jewish sort of islam to russians!
mircea_popescu: it's the laugh of all time.
mircea_popescu: "oh but look how successful it made me! i can do 50 pushups and eat a bear!" "mmmmkay...."
asciilifeform: can name one other non-emasculated head of state today ?
mircea_popescu: i do not hold it against him.
mircea_popescu: just, it's funny, what do you want from me.
asciilifeform: just about anything to do with orcs is auto-funny
mircea_popescu: anyway. there are distinction. the ru prison theme is "vodka and women / look what they reduce us to". not exactly the same thing.
mircea_popescu: a lot more chtonic, the entire "the pink hole's the hole the night comes through" sorta thing.
mod6: So in addition to lastnight's script I posted [ pulls down ascii's latest patches (up through -verifyall) and applies them to v0.5.3.1 ], I've got an updated one that i've just tested & worked for me on x86-64 gentoo w/glibc:
mod6: This one will do the same as the one before, except this will create the dirs, pull the 3rd party packages, and build "stator" directly though this script. Please read the script. `realpath`, `gnupg` and `curl` are required.
liquidassets: mircea_popescu this cultural war where women are thought to be numerar or funciara is this to say a cultural war where one side is trade for trades sake (pecunia non olet) and the other side is more like fuck your money death before dishonor! Either way with men being the agent either trading women or claiming them as their own as in free hold absolutely.
mircea_popescu: i will need that in the form of a question.
liquidassets: is a funciary commodity something you hold as a free hold absolute as you would property?
liquidassets: is this the distinction between numerar which is about being fungible and easily traded?
mircea_popescu: you're not making any sense.
mircea_popescu: a commodity is a commodity. why's property enter into this ?
mircea_popescu: in other words : forget whether you own it or don't own it. the cogent question is, do you want it ?
shinohai: nice going mod6 on the gentoo build
mod6: shinohai: thx.
mod6: i tried it on gentoo, but should build on other x86-64 linux distro's i'd think.
mod6: s/'//
liquidassets: property only entered into it when I tried looking up meaning to funciary commodity. Yes, the "do you want it?" seems to be the question. Thanks MP always a pleasure
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79093 @ 0.00054805 = 43.3469 BTC [-]
mod6: er. well i missed an `echo` statement in that last one -- didn't seem to complain on my side anyway, but here's a corrected one:
mod6: Doesn't make that much of a difference. I'm working on a patched bundle now anyway.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 323674 @ 0.00057705 = 186.7761 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: liquidassets funciary comes from fonsier, "issu de l'ancien français fonds". it's just another way to say "fundamental" (same root these two)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71850 @ 0.00058753 = 42.214 BTC [+] {2}
mod6: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: !up johnsilver
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8302 @ 0.000595 = 4.9397 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50000 @ 0.00059581 = 29.7905 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93017 @ 0.00055094 = 51.2468 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: Logged on 17-07-2015 01:50:46; asciilifeform: decimation: 'telco 214' is the owner of a single ip which houses, as far as i can tell, at least 2% of current net hash.
assbot: Bitcoin Address 1MoYfV4U61wqTPTHCyedzFmvf2o3uys2Ua ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34733 @ 0.00052927 = 18.3831 BTC [-]
mats: << i can't find this key in use anywhere
assbot: Logged on 22-07-2015 03:04:19; assbot: Logged on 22-07-2015 02:22:29; lobbesbot: New post: Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=12884901891 (PGP Corporation Update Signing Key; PGP Corporation Update Signing Key ; ) <>
assbot: Logged on 22-07-2015 10:13:11; liquidassets: danielpbarron: Actually this story works really well
assbot: A True Church - Debt ... ( )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 156734 @ 0.00052755 = 82.685 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42700 @ 0.00054045 = 23.0772 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
assbot: Logged on 22-07-2015 17:31:06; mats: << i can't find this key in use anywhere
ascii_field: the original was, iirc, used to sign winblowz pgp updates
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69205 @ 0.00054045 = 37.4018 BTC [+]
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ascii_field: mod6, ben_vulpes, jurov ^
ascii_field: mats ^
ascii_field: anybody who knows with what to eat a pcap.
nubbins`: my old fencing instructor fell victim to a knife attack in california a couple days ago o.O
assbot: St. John's prof in serious condition after attack in California that left 2 dead - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 152711 @ 0.0005264 = 80.3871 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11689 @ 0.00052453 = 6.1312 BTC [-]
mod6: ah cool, thx
mod6: !up ascii_field
mod6: i'm looking at it now...
ascii_field: nubbins`: reads, i must confess, quite like those 'eaten by friend's dog' reports
ascii_field: 'mr woodchipper was always such a friendly animal'
ascii_field: 'nobody could have foreseen' (tm) (r)
mod6: did you ever restart nsl?
mod6: appears 52681 times
hanbot: mod6> hanbot: so, this might help you, it's worth a read through anyway -- it's a script that I created to pull down v0.5.3.1-RELEASE, and then add ascii's recent patches up through verifyall [ read the script for all that are applied ]: << neat deal on this & the latter scripts. my mission is to build based on the inferred instructions here tho': . is th
assbot: [BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Static Builder for TheRealBitcoin. ... ( )
hanbot: at too much gruntwork iyo?
mod6 looks
trinque: oh btw, libressl build got stuck
trinque: lemme see where
mod6: ya, post log thx
mod6: hanbot: ok so to complete your mission. you'll need a x86-64 / glibc linux environment - gentoo is great, others ok probably too.
mod6: Then..
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell aquentin simmer the fuck down and learn how to use the tools.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
trinque: my gentoo would not build, so I used the VM
trinque: mod6: ^
mircea_popescu: friggin add generation it's unheard of.
mod6: trinque: what do you mean that gentoo wouldn't build? like OS itself from our guide? or you couldnt build stator on there?
trinque: the latter
trinque: didn't want to bother with why, so I built in the VM then copied the binary out
mod6: stick them in a directory like `sandbox`
mod6: once pulled down do this `sha1sum stator_7447d6ad798179d04e9d277acb72799b3c7d0eae.tar.gz stator_72424e6da0f81aea5ab09165c377fd8b7418983f.tar.gz.sig` and ensure that the output hashes match what's embedded in the file name.
mod6: then...
mod6: run this to pull ascii's key: `gpg --keyserver --recv-keys 0xB98228A001ABFFC7`
mod6: then `mv stator_7447d6ad798179d04e9d277acb72799b3c7d0eae.tar.gz stator.tar.gz` and `mv stator_72424e6da0f81aea5ab09165c377fd8b7418983f.tar.gz.sig stator.tar.gz.sig`
mod6: (if you don't do that last step, you can not verify the sig)
mod6: next
mod6: `gpg --verify stator.tar.gz.sig`
mod6: ok thx trinque, one sec.
mod6: next
trinque: yeah, whenever
mod6: cd stator/distfiles
mod6: and run these to pull down OpenSSL/BDB/Boost:
hanbot: (to be clear, by inferred instructions i mean v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patches as asciilifeform outlined here: )
mircea_popescu: hanbot once delving into it, this proves to be anything but straightforward i surmise ?
mod6: ok. so the stator tarball contains all of the relivant packages. I think by linking you to all of his patches are applied therein.
mod6: err s/packages/patches
hanbot: mircea_popescu well in my technically handicapped judgement, which may or may not be a viewpoint worth considering
mod6: that was poorly worded. i wouldn't bother trying to go through that list of emails unless what you want to do is this: download & extract v0.5.3.1-RELEASE and go through every email, one by one, and patch by hand.
trinque: could just read all the patches in that script you did
mod6: which is totally doable. there are like ~12 patches up through -verify all
hanbot: mod6 that's exactly what i want to do. after all, the mailing list is the reference point, no?
mircea_popescu: mod6 well look, it's not a meaningless problem. "what's the reader supposed to do". going through the list and following the tree seems sensible.
mod6: !up ascii_field
hanbot: (not every single patch on the mailing list, just the 8 needed for stator)
mod6: it is a reference point. the good news is, most of the patches that depend on other patches are linked backwards in the emails (by ascii) and have notes that say "depended upon by <a href=..."
mod6: but there are a lot of other patches in there that are not a part of that line or "branch" perhaps?
mircea_popescu: it's like the ultimate reference point. all ulterior repackaging may add convenience, but can't contradict it, basically.
hanbot: mod6 yep, i doublechecked asciilifeform's list as linked above, complete & correctly ordered
mod6: so a lot to look out for... certainly not for the faint of heart. you really hvae to keep up in here and on the list to realize what's going on.
mod6: at least ... lol, i do.
mod6: So then.
mircea_popescu is curious what comes of this.
hanbot: for sure. gotta start sometime :)
mod6: What you want to do is to start with v0.5.3.1 and go through his messages that he linked and patch 'em in one at a time after verifying the hashes and the sigs.
ascii_field: hanbot did ask for the whole orchestra, ~manually~
ascii_field: what other answer could i give, than 'go to ml...'
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the way he does his patches with the referneces is pretty smart.
trinque: that reminds me to turn off the tls requirement on my mailserver
trinque prepares postfix's ass for a blastin
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: that's kinda the only way to do a 'muscle-powered version control sys'
ascii_field: gotta specify antecedents or reader is sol
ascii_field: hanbot: any problems with your build ?
hanbot: yep, i have the 'what to do' sketched out. atm i'm stuck on the v0.5.3.1 and the errors ./ threw out. typescript sez:
assbot: dpaste: 2MNJ748 ... ( )
ascii_field: hanbot: you are missing a c++ compiler
ascii_field: is this a centos box ?
hanbot: ubuntu
mircea_popescu: seems you don't have g
ascii_field: yum install gcc libstdc++ gcc-c++ glibc-static
ascii_field: or equivalent
mod6: apt-get
mircea_popescu: apt-get install gcc libstdc++ gcc-c++ glibc-static
trinque: there's a "build-essential" package that grabs a lot of useful compiler stuff
mod6: you wanna do this for sure anyway ^^ but maybe wait to build until you've patched?
mod6: what mp said
mircea_popescu: makes no diff really
mircea_popescu: wtf is a box without c compiler anyway i want to kn ow.
mircea_popescu: what do you do with it, write bash scripts ?
mod6: haha. perl it up.
nubbins`: install kazaa
ascii_field: can even run bitcoin on it
ascii_field: but, built elsewhere
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49069 @ 0.00054907 = 26.9423 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4431 @ 0.00055729 = 2.4694 BTC [+]
ascii_field: << belongs to anyone here ?
ascii_field: ?
mircea_popescu: if it does they haven't so far said.
ascii_field: accepted connection
ascii_field: version message: version 60001, blocks=0
ascii_field: plenty of 60001 folks bringing up new nodez ?
ascii_field: trying to sync from poor old incitatus
mircea_popescu: caligula imperator si-a facut calul senator.
mircea_popescu: petru groza, mai sinistru, si-a facut boul ministru.
mircea_popescu: ox in question being one romulus zăroni
hanbot: "The latest Tweets from Quentin Amalou (@aquentin). Doctorant en sciences humaines et sociales à @UnivAvignon. Sociologie du cinema et de la musique." ftw.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: '60001 Snoopy 0.1'
hanbot: meanwhile glibc-static looks unbuntu-friendly, will report back
assbot: "subver" : "/Snoopy:0.1/" ?? ... ( )
assbot: Christian Decker ... ( )
ascii_field: ^ vaguely usgtronic academitard
BingoBoingo: Oh, look what happened the day before my next evidentiary hearing. Turns out alleged "victim" likes filing false police reports as a political weapon
assbot: Prosecutor declines to issue charges against Belleville city clerk | Belleville News-Democrat ... ( )
hanbot: Making Bitcoin Exchanges Truly Transparent [confidential] << lol
ascii_field: 'Data-Driven De-Anonymization in Bitcoin'
hanbot: !up indiancandy1
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> how many years does it take ffs. << I like ffs, just works
BingoBoingo: For posterity the case of the prosecutor who declines to files charges against Clerk Cook, a self professed libertarian who likes to use police violence as a political weapon
assbot: Prosecutor declines to issue charges against Belleville city clerk | Belleville News-Democrat ... ( )
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo you get my pgp-gram/qntra submission ?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Yeah, just waking up
pete_dushenski: "The Speed Week races that draw hundreds of racing teams from around the world to Utah's famous salt flats were canceled for the second consecutive year because of wet conditions." << moar climate change eh
phf: connected to incitatus few minutes ago, got verack, version and handful inv's. now it's timeouting again
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo all good.
assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Ashley Madison data breach: time to buy Bitcoin? ... ( )
pete_dushenski: ^realised after i shoulda referenced hanbot's article too. alas !
pete_dushenski: lol @ qntra title.
pete_dushenski: why 'hot' death ?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: That's what Editors are for
pete_dushenski: this is true
BingoBoingo: "Hot Death" sounds cool, very action movie
pete_dushenski: sounds like vehicle was left out in the sun with the windows rolled up
BingoBoingo: Perhaps it's a cultural thing
pete_dushenski: anyways, such are the perils of turning cars into computers.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo nah nah i get it, it makes sense :)
pete_dushenski: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.00055299 = 17.9169 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: << bwahha wish tlp could see this shit. randi hosting a bitcoin panel on satellite radio
assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: Randi Zuckerberg Thinks We Should Untangle Our Wired Lives ... ( )
assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: Who Can Know How Much Randi Zuckerberg Is Worth? ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60000 @ 0.00054538 = 32.7228 BTC [-]
trinque: so, we're going to try Brennan for the murder of Michael Hastings now, right?
BingoBoingo: Which Brennan?
trinque: that lurch-looking one that heads up the CIA
trinque: iirc there's ample evidence to suggest Hastings was working on a story on him when he went for a long drive on a short road
trinque: BingoBoingo: oddly, his wife said she'd release what he had 'soon' in interviews after his death
trinque: then... nada
assbot: Michael Hastings Was Investigating John Brennan's Role in Press Crackdown Before His Death - Hit & Run : ... ( )
trinque: chick was really oddly smiley in interviews
assbot: Elise Jordan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( )
trinque: notably worked for the national security council, that group of bureaucrats that decides which pakistani kids are going to die today by robotic death from above
trinque: Due to Hastings ongoing investigations of CIA chief John Brennan and previous critical investigations of other well known figures, there was speculation of foul play.[9] Jordan played a role in clearing up speculations about her husband's death as being nothing more than a "tragic accident".
trinque: bahhahaha
trinque: oh you cleared it up, Elise?
trinque: yeah, everything's crystal clear.
trinque: << wasn't it a greek notion that you could know a person's character by their face?
trinque: I tend to think there's something to that.
BingoBoingo: I merely asked which Brennan hoping that you might have a connection between the Hastings murder and St. Clair County State's Attourney Brennan Kelly who has declined to prosecute fake Libertarian Dallas Cook for his felony.
BingoBoingo: Just standard county bumpkin hypocrisy. Keep my misdemeanor case in limbo because they lack evidence while giving some village clerk dude a pussy pass for a politically motivated felony committed with malice.
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 276.66, vol: 9483.04600052 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 272.23, vol: 5591.88464 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 276.87, vol: 12326.91096504 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 280.0, vol: 5.56044756 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 275.165244, vol: 12451.89750000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 276.3772, vol: 22.56746777 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 279.731199989, vol: 82.963955 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 275.645884428
funkenstein_: re: hastings, uconnect: "boston brakes" is the term used in reportage by veteranstoday and others
trinque: heh, not bad
trinque: !up bosma
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 300646 @ 0.00054123 = 162.7186 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: Grooveshark Cofounder Dead at 28 | Qntra ... ( )
assbot: "Entertainment System" Vulnerability Turns Vehicles Into Hot Death | Qntra ... ( )
assbot: Logged on 22-07-2015 21:09:23; trinque: << wasn't it a greek notion that you could know a person's character by their face?
pete_dushenski: popular most recently with nazis and southern gentlemen
trinque: ha, which am I?!
pete_dushenski: look in the mirror and find out ?
trinque: !b 4
assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( )
pete_dushenski: 'tis the true mark of a professional : self-assessment
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53450 @ 0.00052427 = 28.0222 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17354 @ 0.00053124 = 9.2191 BTC [+]
mod6: alright trinque.
mod6: looks like you made it 1500 blocks before you started seeing the nonstandard txin
mod6: ok so those happen a bit... then you hit block 124`275 and then fail to verify a tx in block 124`276 to no avail
mod6: this tx: fb0a1d8d34fa5537e461ac384bac761125e1bfa7fec286fa72511240fa66864d
trinque: mod6: so just let it run?
mod6: nope. you're wedged.
trinque: ah, balls
trinque: I'll investigate further and verify whether it's libressl
trinque: BingoBoingo: which version of libressl were you successful using, and was that with an existing chain or one started from scratch?
mod6: so for the record, this is a "VerifySignature" failure, similar to that seen in February with 168`001
gernika: mod6 interesting that I ran into that on OpenBSD once, but got around it on a second try, not using libressl.
trinque: mod6: so this may be an example of relying on an openssl bug?
BingoBoingo: trinque: I did 2.0 from scratch and right now 2.1 is working on an existing chain
trinque: this was 2.2.1
BingoBoingo: Ah, I'm not running -current and have no ideas what changes it might have
trinque: << lol, who is this?
assbot: deedBot ... ( )
trinque: ah 'tis punkman
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00052421 = 10.2745 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83293 @ 0.00052994 = 44.1403 BTC [+]
mod6: gernika: hmm, remember what openssl version & block number? was it our Reference Implementation? feel free to post a log like trinque did next time.
mod6: In other news, I have 6 automated tests. This is pretty neat.
trinque: nice.
punkman: trinque: nope
trinque: oh really?
trinque: weird.
punkman: well the github link's mine
punkman: domain is Ragnar's
trinque: ah, k
trinque: mistyped my own and was bemused at the elephant
punkman: ;;seen RagnarDanneskjol
gribble: RagnarDanneskjol was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 17 weeks, 4 days, 11 hours, 53 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <RagnarDanneskjol> trinque - i am occasionally using the nick for continued development on punks ver. if anyone here's partial to the name I can pass it over. Wow that xm42
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62800 @ 0.00052385 = 32.8978 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: The Physiognomy (The Well-Built City Trilogy): Jeffrey Ford: 9781930846531: Books ... ( )
trinque: neat, looks to be one you can get used for peanuts on amazon
punkman: finished the new Fargo series, was pretty good
pete_dushenski: weird that RagnarDanneskjol linked to the nakamoto knock-off of mp's gpg contracts article instead of teh original
pete_dushenski: << cazalla wins the elusive and much sought after 'contravex footnote reader' award :D
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cazalla: pete_dushenski, ha thanks, any idea if boy or girl yet?
pete_dushenski: i'll be damned if it isn't a boy
pete_dushenski: saves me from pumping out 5 girls or something just to get that one name-bearer !
cazalla: i am grateful my first was a boy, hoping the next will be too
cazalla: for some reason i thought you were a bachelor
pete_dushenski: cazalla that reputation is well cultivated ;)
pete_dushenski: !up julmac
pete_dushenski: how goes julmac ?
mod6: hey this is good thing:
mod6: asciilifeform: ^^
pete_dushenski: o hey wd.
trinque: pete_dushenski: congrats and best wishes on fatherhood.
pete_dushenski: cheers :D
gernika: mod6 stator, openssl-1.0.1g.
pete_dushenski: trinque i'm already practising the not sleeping lifestyle
trinque: yep, probably going to need that skill
trinque: though I'm told I mostly slept like a rock
trinque: still do, too
hanbot: does anyone have or know where i can get a glibc-static deb package?
hanbot: mazel tov pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: hanbot why thank you :)
pete_dushenski 's jaw is getting sore from smiling
trinque: hanbot: glibc should already be on there; it is the C standard library most commonly in use on linux
trinque: "static" would be in reference to how your bitcoind is built against it and other libraries
trinque: that said I could be wrong, and perhaps the files required to statically link are in a separate package
trinque: apt-cache search <package name fragment> is useful for finding packages
trinque: I want to say it's called libc6 on debian, and I don't see a separate static pkg
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trinque: you'll need libc6-dev for the headers and whatnot
trinque: probably pulled in by that build-essential package
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hanbot: trinque have libc6-dev, no idea if that's sufficient for ref imp building purposes. build-essential doesn't seem to have any explicit reference to static flavoring either.
hanbot: if glibc on its own is insufficent tho, i have little faith libc6-dev without the -static moniker would work
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trinque: build-essential is a big meta-package which only serves to depend on many of the other packages necessary for compiling things
hanbot: aha, that link is a great lead, bless you trinque.
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shinohai: I have rebuilt boost, made symlinks, and recited pages from The Necronomicon, but still cannot get rid of /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lboost_filesystem
mod6: <+gernika> mod6 stator, openssl-1.0.1g. << what did you do to get around this?
ben_vulpes: hanbot, mod6, asciilifeform, nubbins`, and panzers at large:
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trinque: ben_vulpes: neat, looks great
trinque: mind if I bolt my gcov stuff to it later in the week?
gernika: mod6 I changed nothing :(
ben_vulpes: "patches welcome"
trinque: bonus points for using push/popd
ben_vulpes: only sane way to manage implicit state of shell imho
trinque: yup, keeps one from littering information about path structure throughout the script
ben_vulpes: defensive bash programming
ben_vulpes: i'm down to a single finger and i intend to kepe it
mod6: gernika: you just restarted it and then it it verified the sig?
gernika: mod6 I set a new (empty) datadir and started over.
mod6: we saw stuff like that before with the 168`001 Verify Signature fail too. most of the time it failed for us... the three of us who were independantly testing it. But sometimes, it'd pass. Maybe 30% of the time. I was pulling my hair out.
mod6: any idea what block number it was? or txid?
gernika: I have the last block
gernika: Not sure how to get the txid
mod6: do you hvae the log?
gernika: I have the debug log yes
mod6: nice. put it somewhere for me to look at.
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punkman: trinque: at which block did libressl barf?
mod6: <+mod6> ok so those happen a bit... then you hit block 124`275 and then fail to verify a tx in block 124`276 to no avail
mod6: <+mod6> this tx: fb0a1d8d34fa5537e461ac384bac761125e1bfa7fec286fa72511240fa66864d
mod6: thanks gernika
trinque: punkman: 124276
gernika: mod6 let me know if there's anything else I can do to help with this. Would suck if x% of pogos wedged at 168001
trinque: er yeah, 275
trinque: mistyped
mod6: it didn't barf on 124`275
punkman: trinque: yeah I think I got stuck at the same block using some other openssl version
trinque: mod6: right, that was the last that worked
mod6: it barfs on tx fb0a1d8d34fa5537e461ac384bac761125e1bfa7fec286fa72511240fa66864d in block 124`276
trinque: I can try a few other libressl versions later tonight, I think
punkman: trinque, you could recompile and make it skip that one, find the next weird one
mod6: for us we thought that the 168`001 verify signature issue at first was due to the fact that 168`000 is the last checkpoint. but totally unrelated. threw us off for a bit though.
trinque: I ran with verifyall btw
mod6: that's good.
mod6: my one gentoo (all ascii's patches through verifyall x86-64/glibc) build got all the way up to where nsl is wedged. but my openbsd one is crawling along on verify all also... so far: height=220047
mod6: punkman: good q.
ben_vulpes: << panzers: snipped some assperimental macos turds
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mod6: gernika: sure, we should be beyond that now with 1.0.1g but, we'll see.
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ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski congrats, frere
gribble: The operation succeeded.
punkman: "-- Signature in input of txid fb0a1d8d34fa5537e461ac384bac761125e1bfa7fec286fa72511240fa66864d Strange DER sizes. But in Blockchain"
mod6: holy yikes gernika
mod6: you got wedged on the 168`001 block? aka: you were stuck on block 168`000 according to this.. although, i dont' as of yet see a Verify Signature failure in here...
hanbot: so .deb package checked against .rpm file list shows libc_stubs.a missing, the other eleven are present. debian says no .deb packages contain this guy. i'm assuming i need it. still errorful after grabbing everything else here (errorflurry: ). doesn't look like that missing library has anything to do with it, but prolly problematic down the line?
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assbot: Logged on 23-07-2015 00:15:18; trinque: hanbot: see 8.3 here
gernika: mod6 correct it just ... got stuck
mod6: and in your memory you don't remember seeing the "Verify Signature failure" in there?
trinque: hanbot: dunno, I tend to stick to gentoo
trinque looks at pastes
mod6: This goes for all: If you get wedged for some reason while running the R.I. please stop in and ask right away. Back up the debug.log for us too plz.
gernika: mod6 restarting on the same blockchain didn't help
mod6: im sure it didn't. that's really bad.
mod6: s/that's/this is/
gernika: mod6 I wasn't looking for it, but no I don't recall seeing it
mod6: hmm. alright.
mod6: well, if you see it again, let us know. thanks!
trinque: hanbot: explosions suggest you are missing (or it can't find) boost openssl and db
mod6: punkman: good find
trinque: hanbot: it may be helpful to change the script at the top, where it says /bin/sh, changing to /bin/sh -e
trinque: it will then at least bail out at the first error, will otherwise happily derp past errors to the next command
mod6: if you need to check that you have indeed statically linked in openssl 1.0.1g into your binary, you can do this: hexdump -C bitcoind | grep "1.0.1g"
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mod6: that /should/ tell the tale
hanbot: <trinque> hanbot: explosions suggest you are missing (or it can't find) boost openssl and db << this, despite " Found 'openssl-1.0.1g', skipping... Found 'db-4.8.30', skipping... Found 'boost_1_52_0', skipping..." ?
trinque: hanbot: yep, because those messages are coming from commands in the build script, whereas further down there are warnings galore of missing headers
trinque: which are coming from the compiler
ben_vulpes: hanbot: i put my little kalash together to address some of the pain you're experiencing
hanbot: ben_vulpes very cool. as said earlier, i'm explicitly going the "painful" route 'cause that's what stator ml post describes. i'd love to use the tools you & mod6 have put up --just, not the point of this specific exercise
hanbot: which i'm not sure will work out, but gotta try
hanbot: hehe ty.
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BingoBoingo: ^ People demand knob with which to hang self from. Get hung from knob.
hanbot: ben_vulpes ofc, the dependencies arguably sh/could be handled before someone lands on RI stuff. hm. i guess i'll have to self-debate a while.
ben_vulpes: hanbot: i wrote it entirely fed up with doing this dance every. single. time.
ben_vulpes: i now have a kalash that i can point at most linuxes, fire, and produce a static build
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hanbot: right. but then my question to you (& mod6 ) would be, if this is -the- way to get it done, should the RI be re-released to reflect that? though again, if the pain is in (reasonably straightforward) dependencies, rather than the release itself, i'd imagine that's another matter.
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hanbot: yeah, i think i'll user yer kalash to just get dependencies sussed before i revisit this notion.
asciilifeform: tratatatata
asciilifeform hands hanbot new mag
asciilifeform sits and tries to figure out why it is that folks had to add anything to 'stator' to make it go
asciilifeform: considering that it went, without any major changes, not only under gentoo but under the most wretched centos etc
ben_vulpes: has never worked well for me.
asciilifeform: in other nyooz, incitatus is at full height
asciilifeform: and mostly putters along.
asciilifeform: 24 connections.
asciilifeform: i never really got the point of ''
asciilifeform: are there really so many patches, that it is a major labour to verify them manually ?
asciilifeform: they took days, in some cases, weeks, to write - 10sec./each to verify is too long?
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ben_vulpes: there is working on the thing and distributing the thing
ben_vulpes: and gradations between pogo and "to ml"
decimation: I built stator on centos
decimation: err, rhel6 just fine
decimation: without mod (other than eater)
asciilifeform: decimation: i have paper magazines somewhere with that picture in'em
assbot: Logged on 22-07-2015 22:16:20; mod6: so for the record, this is a "VerifySignature" failure, similar to that seen in February with 168`001
asciilifeform: plz details ?
decimation: my node (connected to 'zoolog' is almost to 316k, going faster now it seems)
assbot: Logged on 22-07-2015 23:19:24; mod6: hey this is good thing:
trinque: asciilifeform: there's my debug.log a few lines up
asciilifeform: that's quite a few of'em
mod6: <+asciilifeform> plz details ? <<
asciilifeform: ^ did we ever determine the particular tx ?
mod6: sure
mod6: sec
assbot: Logged on 23-07-2015 01:16:30; mod6: it barfs on tx fb0a1d8d34fa5537e461ac384bac761125e1bfa7fec286fa72511240fa66864d in block 124`276
asciilifeform: neh that's not 168001
mod6: trinque: we're talking about the origina barf on 168`001
trinque: ah, sorry
mod6: 1629931 ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 2c2314f353 VerifySignature failed
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asciilifeform: whyohwhy
asciilifeform: $ wc -l
asciilifeform: 42
asciilifeform: what was wrong with ^ that
ben_vulpes: i said something was wrong with it?
ben_vulpes: anyways, i'd written mine earlier.
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gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: all of these "do this and then do that and then do the other thing" shell scripts that a) don't bail on error and b) aren't easily twiddled drive me up a wall.
ben_vulpes: i wrote the kalash because it addresses needs of mine: being able to run arbitrary bits of the whole process
ben_vulpes: don't like, don't use.
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asciilifeform: ;;later tell pete_dushenski << not a bad likbez re: that other incident, also.
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trinque: I suppose he forgot to unload it, bad luck.
asciilifeform: armed man arrested in munich where hitler was due to speak.
mod6: ok i think i fixed the dumpblock param issue, but it'll hvae to wait until tomorrow or when i have a bit more time to test
decimation: < keeps connecting and dropping to mine too
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asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: '¡A las Barricadas! ¡A las Barricadas! por el triunfo de la Confederación.' (tm) (r)
asciilifeform tripping on the fact that this existed
mircea_popescu: o which reminds me.
BingoBoingo: lol asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: re "And so a better example for Syriza to follow, were they to suddenly stop being Europe's pathetic poodles and don the mantle of fearless, heroic revolutionaries, is still the good old Russian revolution of 1917." << one willing to eat up this dollop should best remember that socialist revolution failed.
asciilifeform: Alza la bandera revolucionaria...
mircea_popescu: it failed when che tried it abroad, and humiliatingly. it failed in castro's hands, at home.
mircea_popescu: it failed in moscow as it failed in beijing - the successors are today more capitalist than hamilton, and for good reason.
asciilifeform: eh that's sorta like saying that 'forest fire failed' - because there are still, somewhere, trees.
mircea_popescu: socialism is still the doctrine of unadorned stupid, and it's still this in large things as it is this in small things - be it revolution or your daily dealings. stupid stays stupid.
asciilifeform admires the audacity and virility of che et al separately from the peculiar follies of 20th c. mega-empires
asciilifeform: the 'blade of grass in the concrete'
mircea_popescu: who'd women fuck screamingly is a good proxy for quality
asciilifeform: to borrow a mircea_popescuism
mircea_popescu: but it's notreally the same thing. just an exam
asciilifeform: brezhnevobama - the concrete, yes
asciilifeform: che - no.
BingoBoingo was kinda sad when mega fire did not hit during mega drought year of 2012 here. Would have been good for the Morels.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but the virility, audacity etc aside, and the guy's very seductive smile aside - he wasn't very intelligent.
mircea_popescu: this is a problem. and, much more importantly - he failed. he failed uniformly, predictably, throughout. hard to see past this.
asciilifeform: the intelligent are sitting in some cellar, cranking out nth numerical approximations to schrodinger's eq. for system of five atoms.
asciilifeform: not cutting throats
mircea_popescu: meanwhile any random mexican cartel owner is right now out of jail and if he's in he's running a brothel of the guards.
mircea_popescu: this is patently untrue.
decimation: managed to get loads of betas in frats to wear his face
mircea_popescu: decimation this is already suspicious.
mircea_popescu: haven't seen that many lambs in lion tshirts so far.
asciilifeform: i am broadly unconvinced that mr cartel is in any sense more intelligent than che. more narrowly focused, yes.
mircea_popescu: i was speaking as to success.
mircea_popescu: intelligence is a more... spiritual problem.
trinque: I'm not much convinced che's anything other than a celebrity
trinque: *was
trinque: or that populist movements like that are at all desirable
mircea_popescu: right. i suppose to bring this to an edge, we could ask alf to explain difference between jack warner and clark gable in terms of che.
mircea_popescu: so whioch is he ? gable also had a "very seductive smile".
mircea_popescu: and died broke if memory serves.
asciilifeform: trinque: getting killed by a dedicated usg death squad is an exam of sorts. can one pass this exam and not be someone worth considering ?
trinque: eh I could get myself done that way this evening if I wanted
trinque: hehe
trinque: but I see what you mean
asciilifeform: DEDICATED
asciilifeform: not some street cop
asciilifeform: as in, folks who board five unmarked planes to get to where you're dug in
trinque: I will admit to reading about various revolutions over the years wondering "where's mine?"
BingoBoingo actually pretty pumped about hearing tomorrow
asciilifeform has been wondering this since he was 4 y.o
decimation: more likely: haho jump from the next border
mircea_popescu: srsly ?!
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you gonna blog about it ?
trinque: asciilifeform: need "force amplifier" like your "mind amplifier" and forget about the derps
trinque: I don't think anything good can come of anything which requires populist buy-in
decimation: revolution is the last thing anyone should want
asciilifeform: address all inquiries re: force multipliers to herr tesla
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The aftermath likely. Dun want to tip the hand too early.
decimation: a bunch of crazy egotist adventurers taking power
mircea_popescu: trinque the better q, of course, being what are you going to say ?
mircea_popescu: this entire "my revolution" thing seems to me a lot like "i wanna be on a stage, like carlin!" well ok. and to say what ?
trinque: mircea_popescu: mhm, and I don't claim at this moment to have a proposal
asciilifeform: 'populist buy-in' is what we have now.
mircea_popescu: then why'd you care ?
mircea_popescu: a lot of thankless, boring work, that.
phf: revolutions look like fun though, "we were trully free on the barricades", that's why all those bored aristocrats would travel to third world countries, if they failed to start shit up at home. positive long term effects not so much
decimation: I like this 'new barbarian' guy
mircea_popescu: phf they ARE fun, yes. but only for the stupid.
asciilifeform: see also limonov
mircea_popescu: organised crime is also fun. also for the stupid.
trinque: mircea_popescu: I'm gonna die anyway, and this sucks.
decimation: follow his advice, be tribal, give less of a shit about govt
asciilifeform: what trinque said.
asciilifeform: and limonov was there in 1995.
asciilifeform: even re: the 'tribal' bit.
mircea_popescu: this is all fine, but there's a bridge between "my cunt itches" and "i'm married now"
mircea_popescu: is there even ?
trinque: hahaha
asciilifeform: very easy to 'give less of a shit about govt' all the way until you find yourself trying the 'be tribal' thing in a usg death camp.
mircea_popescu: see ? not so fun for the stupid. "true freedom" comes from a neglect of consequences.
trinque: I figure I'll keep educating myself and getting ahead, and see what happens in a decade.
phf: i move few blocks away from where they burned down MOVE compound. though those guys were genuinely .. not quite there
mircea_popescu: whosoever can not do this is stuck being a bureaucrat not a revolutionary, no mattert the context.
decimation: meh. usg doesn't have the energy to startup death camps
decimation: and they would likely be easy to escape
asciilifeform: they are already in business
asciilifeform: go escape from fed pen.
mircea_popescu: decimation obviously trhey'd be outsourced.
mircea_popescu: the 100 mn business majors looking to change the world in the US notably ARE energetic enough to run macdonalds.
BingoBoingo: mircea I mean happened. I don't want to say "civil case" may be in the pipes, but... thank scientology
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mircea_popescu: death camps are nothing compared.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo need some dough to press that
decimation: well, keep the local da as part of your tribe :)
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Or time.
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mircea_popescu: "sociology of the theatre" ? such deadly refinement by now.
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mircea_popescu: i am bracving myself for the "sociology of sociologists of obscure fields" phd.
phf: mircea_popescu: i see now what you mean by "for the stupid", re "neglect of consequences". i always thought that was a character flaw though, not necessarily sign of intelligence
trinque: mircea_popescu: I think seeing the world as it is, one imagines there could be another where there are leaders with as you say, interesting things to do
mircea_popescu: a lot could be said about it, let aside that nobodyu'd care, so why shouldn't a phd be offered ? once it's offered, why should it wear a red striope in its id, "this shit's pointless nutso stuff fopr rich people" ?
mircea_popescu: and then get clueless working cl;ass kids thinking "it's theiur calling" because totally, that's how the world works, with "Callings"
mircea_popescu: phf well if you can explain the difference between these two...
mircea_popescu: trinque not for most people.
asciilifeform: actual revolution means that 25 y.o. schmuck can transform to commander with personal death authority over ten thousand.
asciilifeform: overnight.
mircea_popescu: authority, sure.
asciilifeform: this is appealing for perfectly reasonable, if not practical, reasons.
mircea_popescu: random derp who inherits a wall street firm, also authority.
asciilifeform: random derp 'chose parents carefully'
mircea_popescu: which brings us right back to, "what do you wish to say, anyway"
decimation: it's possible the derp could be Napoleon
mircea_popescu: because, mind, if you actually got something to say might as well say it.
mircea_popescu: and if you don't, why even bother with the trappings.
mircea_popescu: ;;google monty python "the theory which is mine"
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asciilifeform: trying to formulate a hypothesis here
mircea_popescu is all ears.
asciilifeform: re: what is appealing about violent upheavals
asciilifeform: for the 'armchair general'
mircea_popescu: ah, that's plainly obvious. they;'re appealing like rape is appealing. their bloody violence is sexually satisfying.
decimation: it's appeal to Napoleon to finally rule the world
asciilifeform: the idea of biodieseling the sclerotic aristos and their imbecile offspring is appealing to healthy folks, imho
trinque: doesn't my being embedded in the world necessitate being concerned with its state?
trinque: if I care about myself in the slightest?
asciilifeform: for the same reason why pink prime gurlflesh is more appealing than the circus horrors BingoBoingo linked
decimation: asciilifeform: the thing tends to feed itself. the new army officer's position depends on the old officers being exiled, thus they are married to the adventure
trinque: asciilifeform: everyone likes when a shithead gets his; is laughter for anything else?
asciilifeform: is it better to be married to a desk ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so you see it's sexual.
mircea_popescu: trinque it doesn't follow you should give a shit about yourself ; it doesnt follow even admitting that the world is of interest.
asciilifeform: in more or less the same sense that all other vigorous and healthy activity is sexual
decimation: well, desk isn't as exciting, if safer
trinque: mircea_popescu: who says should, I do
mircea_popescu: ah, sure then.
phf: i guess if your life is dull, might be better to be limonov. so it's a wish fulfillment, i.e. "when the zombies come i'll be the badass survivalist guy". i'm still not sure why byron did it though
mircea_popescu: normally "necessitate" is a hidden should.
decimation: plus, maybe if the 25 year old is Napoleon you can get rich on some awesome loot
mircea_popescu: phf why byron "did it" = had a bunch of chlorotic virgins say stupid shit about him ?
phf: heh, fair
mircea_popescu: decimation sure, rich like the chiabur.
asciilifeform: when considering what byron's likely alternatives were...
asciilifeform: did not want to marry desk. i respect this.
mircea_popescu: (tk kibār, eq of rus kulak)
decimation: heh chiabur isn't english
mircea_popescu: being rich isn't english either.
mircea_popescu: puritan bunch
decimation: well, better kulak than starving peasant, plus you get to pillage a few neat italian cities
asciilifeform: who the hell sees the appeal of revolution in 'get rich' ?!!!
mircea_popescu: entirely up to you, this.
asciilifeform: that's a new one to me
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what do you think el dorado was ?
asciilifeform: a treasure hunt ?
mircea_popescu: revolution for people who couldn't afford to fight the king.
mircea_popescu: what else.
decimation: asciilifeform: lol 'get rich' is almost immediately what the revolution turns into
asciilifeform: well yes.
mircea_popescu: well so then.
asciilifeform: and in many ways, that time's 'silicon valley'
decimation: once they gain power and can't figure out what else to do
asciilifeform: considering the grantsmanship that went into el doradoism
mircea_popescu: decimation no buyt see, it's an important problem. "so you're on the stage, alright now - what do you say ?"
asciilifeform: one more or less had to scam a king to play
mircea_popescu: "everyone should walk funny from now on" ?
decimation: mircea_popescu: yeah absolutely I see that
decimation: especially since 99.999% of 25 year olds are not napoleon
mircea_popescu: you're moses, up on the mountain, you're smith with his fucking stupid hat and the even more stupid but full of themselves early americans
mircea_popescu: what do you sya ?
asciilifeform: you say things like: 'you - spread yer legs.' 'you - spat on my father. spread your arse cheeks for sharpened telephone pole.' etc.
mircea_popescu: "ummir and fuckthir" ? why ?
mircea_popescu: with a straight face ? seriously ?
mircea_popescu: this is why "power corrupts", incidentally.
mircea_popescu: this will break a man.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is not unlike street urchin's idea of wealthy
asciilifeform: i could, i think, watch telephone poles enter arses for 25 years.
mircea_popescu: "sandwich every day!"
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mircea_popescu: i happen to enjoy revenge,
mircea_popescu: but i must point out that it's likely same as how i enjoy horse riding
mircea_popescu: an acquired taste. not something one can just jump into.
mircea_popescu: and that "acquired" part is a lot of time and a lot of resources and so on.
decimation: on the other hand, when raw power is rushing around - available for many to grasp - someone's hand will be strong enough to keep hold
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mircea_popescu: again, that you hold the ring is not the issue.
mircea_popescu: what do you tell it to do!
asciilifeform: the mega-appeal of revolution is, just as limonov summarized, it is a chance to trade in guaranteed-die-behind-desk for die-with-sporting-chance
decimation: invade italy; get rich, become emporer
mircea_popescu: but, provided you don't actually die. what. do. you. do.
mircea_popescu: "become emperor" is not a thing.
decimation: but then get bored and declare ware on the entire world
mircea_popescu: "lived happily ever after"
phf: i the wrath of god will marry my own daughter and with her i'll found the purest dynasty the earth has ever seen
asciilifeform: you play again.
mircea_popescu: it only exists from this side of the silver screen
asciilifeform: or what phf said!
mircea_popescu: phf srsly ?!
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would i want my own daughter. i suppose i should table this until i somehow have one,
mircea_popescu: but it seems a lot to me like making my own car. holy shit i'd much rather have a car someone else toiled with.
asciilifeform: making own car has appeal
asciilifeform: i've given it serious thought at times
mircea_popescu: o, i know this about you.
phf: mircea_popescu: well, the scene involves everyone being dead by that point, and aguirre just making mad proclamations on a drifting raft besieged by invisible indians
mircea_popescu: problem is - you'll prolly start a revolution by first building a country.
mircea_popescu: phf ah i entirely missed this was a reference.
asciilifeform: or better yet, alive, and not being able to lift a finger, on account of them all wearing remote-switched detcord collars
mircea_popescu: such a mmorpg view of politics.
decimation: !up Erika-Mustermann
asciilifeform: !up Erika-Mustermann
decimation: the nordic system returns?
mircea_popescu: whossat ?
BingoBoingo: No, I though Nordic system started with a j or some shit
decimation: was gibt's?
BingoBoingo: !s Nordic System
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decimation: BingoBoingo: it has a deeper bench than that
asciilifeform: hey, this could be the ~other~ nordic system !
asciilifeform: can hope!
mircea_popescu: you know, incidentally, im not so sure that 99.999% figure.
mircea_popescu: it may well be 14% of kids are in fact napoleon.
mircea_popescu: rest is luck, and having bernadotte.
asciilifeform: that's close to limonov's figure iirc
decimation: asciilifeform: isegoria did a thing on finnish baseball - looks awesome!
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mircea_popescu: im enamoured with this ballas notion - 1%, 14% aspies, 85% derps.
asciilifeform: 1% who ?
decimation: mircea_popescu: certainly napoleon had an aspie-like grasp of tactics, etc
mircea_popescu: heh. know about that one time he forgot about a coupla divisions ?
mircea_popescu: or that other time when he thought he had lost and well... the officers carried ?
BingoBoingo: finnish baseball sounds like the worst! When do you go to get your next beer?
asciilifeform: when nth beer is empty
mircea_popescu: i thought finns drank fermented herring and what is this "beer".
asciilifeform: nah that's jp
decimation: he was called the 'little corporal' because he went out and sighted guns himself
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