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decimation: how to fit std::map and std::vector in head? bastards designed by committee
asciilifeform: which is why i think that at a certain point the advantage of a 'bitcoin' which can be -understood- will outweigh the danger of failing to enumerate every possible corner case of the original turd when crafting the ada safety-critical bitcoinatron
decimation: yes. but until that point comes, I agree that there's alot of cruft in there - there's no reason why working memory needs to be gigabytes
asciilifeform: we'll know when it comes when the folks who have skin in the game say it did..
asciilifeform: (see excellent old thread re: this subject)
decimation: the folks being everyone holding bitcoin (with expectation of trading them for something)
decimation: asciilifeform: amusingly the yugoslav guy said that 'his' design included an audio cassette for program storage (using simple FSK I presume)
asciilifeform: that was sop
asciilifeform: where else are you gonna store
decimation: he said that the yugoslav radio station would actually interrupt music broadcast to send - fsk encodings of z80 games
asciilifeform has trouble believing that this came to any good unless you lived next door to the station
decimation: well, if the SNR was high and the bitrate was low, it would work well enough
decimation: I suspect it was something like 300 baud "bell 202" type modem
asciilifeform as a boy sometimes listened to his brother's 'bk-0010' tapes
asciilifeform: we didn't have the thing at home. just the tapes
asciilifeform: (his school didn't have tape decks, you had to bring yer own if family had one)
decimation: heh interesting
decimation: Yeah before flash and cheap hard drives/floppy drives your only option was tape
decimation: or 'prom'
asciilifeform: tape was the mega-storage because just about everyone could beg/borrow/steal a deck
asciilifeform: no special hardware needed
decimation: yeah also common and cheap I guess
asciilifeform: incidentally, long after connecting analogue tape decks to computer was a forgotten misery in the west, ru folks were connecting vcr and getting respectable (10-20G) backup
asciilifeform: as late as early 2000s
asciilifeform: vhs tape can hold a surprising amount (helical scan head!) but tends to rot rather quickly
decimation: yeah you would need heavy forward error correction
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> which is why i think that at a certain point >> that point is conceivably after our times.
asciilifeform: definitely after my time.
decimation: mircea_popescu: you think folks will make do with shit c++ code for our lifetime?
mircea_popescu: <decimation> he said that the yugoslav radio station would actually interrupt music broadcast to send - fsk encodings of z80 games << i had games i had downloaded off the natl tv station.
mircea_popescu: CRACKED games.
decimation: heh that's amusing
decimation: for c64?
asciilifeform: decimation: c64 was not a z80 box
mircea_popescu: for tim-s
mircea_popescu: which was a z80 clone.
decimation: yeah I know
decimation: ah interesting
decimation: c64 had a version of 6502 like apple II
mircea_popescu: this was the 48kb + 16kb for basic interpreter thing
mircea_popescu: but you could also wipe the 16kb if you never called the thing, via DMA of the time
mircea_popescu: user could poke arbitrary ram
mircea_popescu: (instruction being called... POKE)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: interpreter wasn't in rom on your thing ?
mircea_popescu: the notion of "allocation" being unknown. of course it's allocated - the machine's on isn't it ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it was in rom and copied to the ram at startup iirc
mircea_popescu: not run FROM rom
decimation: from the comments on that yugoslav interview: "Also, there was not a ?ban on importing computers? in former Yugoslavia ? it was a by-product of a (stupid) government policy of trying to stop the drain of foreign currency. The customs law prevented a legal import of any goods that cost more than 100 DM (German marks, about 50 Euros in todays money). "
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33139 @ 0.00031476 = 10.4308 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: exercise for readers: describe -why- it was common (as is today) not to run directly from rom.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'peek' and 'poke' were sop on c64 and most micros of the time, aha
asciilifeform: the two most useful 'basic' keywords, yes.
asciilifeform: arguably none of the others needed to be learned..
decimation: asciilifeform: was it because loading the contents of the rom into ram allowed a single address space?
asciilifeform: decimation: it was a single address space no matter what
asciilifeform: (not one of these things had an mmu, nor was there any conceivable need for such a thing on a single-process os)
asciilifeform: the reason is that you can do local vars ('static' to a 'c' programmer) in ram
asciilifeform: but in rom, you need a ram stack/heap and can't simply shit where you eat
decimation: it seems that you could pull this off
decimation: but it would be highly non-portable
asciilifeform: you can - but it takes planning
asciilifeform: x86 never runs from rom. not even on warmup when sdram waitstate timer is not yet initialized
asciilifeform: (how? 'cache as ram' mode of x86 cpu)
asciilifeform: hypothetically, one could run an x86 box without any ram inserted, given a clever bios made for this occasion.
asciilifeform: i thought about actually making this, some years ago, as it had useful applications
decimation: especially with modern cpus that have tons of cache
asciilifeform: (cpu is warm and 'remanence' is a non-issue. think, crypto.)
decimation: plus low power, small form factor
asciilifeform: and no wait-cycles
asciilifeform: good for data-compact number crunching problems
asciilifeform: (of the kind i was working on with al schwartz and others)
decimation: to the poor slav z80 coder, the 'naked' xeon has embarassingly rich resources
asciilifeform: hell, the 8MB cache of my ancient 'opteron' is more than i had in my 486dx2
asciilifeform: (of total ram)
decimation: asciilifeform: ideally you would want to connect this naked cpu to others via the memory bus
decimation: but God help the poor soul who would try
asciilifeform: nah we're talking about off-the-shelf iron
asciilifeform: and making best use thereof
asciilifeform: but i have thought about connecting generic x86 boxen via the ram slots
decimation: well, off the shelf you could attach to a good 10gigE card with netboot
asciilifeform: $$$$$$$
decimation: yeah exactly
decimation: it would be cheap to use a 1 gige, but it would also have sad throughput
asciilifeform: ethernet, also, has ludicrous cpu overhead
asciilifeform: so the maximal throughputs are virtually never reached in practice
decimation: yeah, especially if ip stack
asciilifeform: (connection via ram slots is not, as it may appear, lunacy, but could be done with fpga, which would pretend to be a slice of sdram to two boxes at the same time, ignoring refresh cycles and managing locking somehow)
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decimation: yeah I can imagine it for a pair of cpus, but what if you wanted N cpus?
asciilifeform: there was an outfit which sold something quite like this (fpga on sdram stick) and even one in the shape of a cpu, which could sit down in ordinary cpu socket on multisocket mb
decimation: I suppose a ring of some sort
asciilifeform: but it got nsa'd
asciilifeform: ring, yes
asciilifeform: or preferably 2d fabric
asciilifeform: (compass arrows)
asciilifeform: hell, crossbars.
asciilifeform: i assume that the folks who a) want this b) can afford it --- have it.
asciilifeform: as always.
decimation: yeah, but if they can afford it they can also probably also afford to design a custom motherboard
asciilifeform: economy of scale
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asciilifeform: can get that many more generic turdboards for same price
asciilifeform: ever since the '1024 chickens' transition, that is generally how it was done
asciilifeform: folks with infinite money do bake own mb, yes
asciilifeform: but even there, there are not ten thousand on one board
asciilifeform: usually there is some interconnection bus.
asciilifeform: (between boards)
decimation: the original 'cray' machines used differential ecl lines
asciilifeform: 'hippi' aha
asciilifeform: or what was it.
decimation: "Each cable between the modules was a twisted pair, cut to a specific length in order to guarantee the signals arrived at precisely the right time and minimize electrical reflection. Each signal produced by the ECL circuitry was a differential pair, so the signals were balanced. " < https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cray-1
asciilifeform: exotic then, but today every piece of shit lcd is plugged in through something entirely like this.
decimation: heh yeah. or pcie
asciilifeform: just about anything.
asciilifeform: try find a pc mb without 'meanders'
decimation: well, with clock rates above 500 mhz, your pcb starts to look like an rf transmission line
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mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> arguably none of the others needed to be learned.. randomize usr eh.
mircea_popescu: "and managing locking somehow" win of the day award lol
mircea_popescu: alternatively, it would be 72 cubits high, translucent, ageless, nonmenstruating and deliver pregnancy to term within the day
mircea_popescu: mostly because http://trenchcoatx.com/about lulz. "We believe in high quality product, fair prices for the consumer, and fair pay for the people who work for us. Right now we’re in beta, figuring out how these values fit into today’s adult entertainment industry. "
mircea_popescu: glhf. the problems of being born in the 80s, ie, too late.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53850 @ 0.00030766 = 16.5675 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: amusingly, this is EXACTLY how communists ran their industry in romania of the 60s
mircea_popescu: "free heating if you live next to a mfg plant!"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00031723 = 4.0923 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "eRadiators makes the data more secure: "It becomes nearly impossible to know what data is where, when it is there and how to get to it," Nerdalize's Florian Schneider told the BBC."
mircea_popescu: yeah, right.
mircea_popescu: and i have a bridge to sell.
punkman: I wonder how they'll keep the workload at 1kw when the box doesn't have work to do, run some useless code?
punkman: maybe cpu-mine bitcoin for a couple satoshis :P
punkman: mircea_popescu: "free heating if you live next to a mfg plant!" << "Academica has installed a new 2MW database server centre ... Water warmed while cooling the servers will go on to provide heat for 500 homes or 1,000 flats ... After the heat is extracted, the water will be recycled back to cool the servers again."
punkman: not a bad approach if you don't have to suffer the smog I guess
punkman: !up Vexual
Vexual: lol tamper proof, not in my loungeroom
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 119250 @ 0.00032727 = 39.0269 BTC [+] {4}
punkman: and some frenchies with the same idea http://www.qarnot-computing.com/technology
Vexual: id put a little rainbow sticker on a kb and get alf and mp 'round with a case of cognac
Vexual: tell em its a z80
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00032869 = 5.1933 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31458 @ 0.00033063 = 10.401 BTC [+] {4}
jurov: <ben_vulpes> quick poll: who writes in cursive? << i do, but for internal use only. block letters otherwise
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29187 @ 0.00033108 = 9.6632 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26200 @ 0.00033153 = 8.6861 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8850 @ 0.00032712 = 2.895 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34900 @ 0.00032712 = 11.4165 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42800 @ 0.00032449 = 13.8882 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53750 @ 0.00031517 = 16.9404 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: punkman the correct way to do this would be with heat exchangers of course.
mircea_popescu: but the arrangement prolly more expensive than the dc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20300 @ 0.00032721 = 6.6424 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 83 @ 0.0151 = 1.2533 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50469 @ 0.00033203 = 16.7572 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.00033269 = 4.5079 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52500 @ 0.0003331 = 17.4878 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52100 @ 0.00033344 = 17.3722 BTC [+] {2}
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32800 @ 0.00031571 = 10.3553 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: ;;later tell Vexual maxpeers 1 addpeer local doesn't test behaviour against torrential 'orphan' crapolade, and other wild things
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103700 @ 0.0003328 = 34.5114 BTC [+] {2}
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: in other news,
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30256 @ 0.00033413 = 10.1094 BTC [+] {3}
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147610 << notice that it wants to vent to the street if you don't want the heat. let me guess, air intake is -not- selectable. this means that it would eat your air-conditioned air in the summer, heat it, and blow to the street. scam.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23694 @ 0.00033482 = 7.9332 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147596 << laugh, but it isn't so hard if you are emulating ordinary sdram. if one side issues a write cycle, the other gets a wait-state signal (gets to think that the dram is in refresh state)
assbot: Logged on 29-05-2015 05:34:06; mircea_popescu: "and managing locking somehow" win of the day award lol
asciilifeform: ;;later tell jurov 'Source Code Browser' link on http://thebitcoin.foundation/index.html appears to point to unpatched generic 0.5.3 ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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asciilifeform: ^ not especially useful, afaik
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50300 @ 0.000321 = 16.1463 BTC [+] {2}
mod6 looks
mod6: btw my test with both of your patches {thermonuke} + {tx amputation} is at 193988
asciilifeform: mod6: post pmap -x -p [yourprocessid] plz
mod6: ok. -p doens't seem to be a thing...
mod6: one sec
asciilifeform: ty mod6
mod6: np
asciilifeform: the interesting number, btw, is 269868
asciilifeform: (current total of 'dirty pages')
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14247 @ 0.00033507 = 4.7737 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29150 @ 0.00033507 = 9.7673 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 216242 @ 0.00032483 = 70.2419 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6144 @ 0.00033507 = 2.0587 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Obligatory Derpatary wit much Hernia https://archive.is/SNAlx
BingoBoingo: !up phf
phf: thanks
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BingoBoingo: !up thestringpuller
BingoBoingo: !up phf
danielpbarron: !up rwg
rwg: hello
rwg: about to head out.
rwg: packing the car lol
danielpbarron: no problem; i'll keep upping you till you get a gpg key registered
rwg: lol
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu asciilifeform : http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/34155307/ << this nigga has declared war on the anti-forkers... seems like spinning wheels but knowing hearn, we'll likely see an XT release with the 20MB removed.
thestringpuller: now that axe-time is essentially at doorstep...
punkman: "There's a feeling on this list that there's no consensus, or that Gavin and myself are on the wrong side of it. I'd put it differently - there's very strong consensus out in the wider community and this list is something of an aberration."
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00033147 = 2.2374 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.Cusipzzz.-1:aa2a317c92fbd75f2a22c41ad0c1e50143a0b05f2b9b8e6adcb1995a92ca2b32
assbot: Successfully added a rating of -1 for Cusipzzz with note: banned me from -otc for speaking out against the fork
danielpbarron: !gettrust assbot Cusipzzz
assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user Cusipzzz: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=Cusipzzz | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/Cusipzzz/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33500 @ 0.00033147 = 11.1042 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: !up thestringpuller
BingoBoingo: !up Xuthus
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36892 @ 0.00032923 = 12.146 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55936 @ 0.0003363 = 18.8113 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Phuctor is closing in on half a million moduli
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17850 @ 0.00033713 = 6.0178 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
danielpbarron: !up sinetek
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66700 @ 0.00033433 = 22.2998 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3450 @ 0.00033713 = 1.1631 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54735 @ 0.00033715 = 18.4539 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52100 @ 0.0003376 = 17.589 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130350 @ 0.00033794 = 44.0505 BTC [+] {3}
mod6: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35158 @ 0.0003334 = 11.7217 BTC [-] {2}
ascii_field: l0l re: hearniacoin
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6532 @ 0.00033008 = 2.1561 BTC [+]
jurov: asciilifeform: why do you think? the patches are not there? unless i made a mistake, it is the result of mod6's 0.5.3.1 release build script
jurov: mod6 why did you change directory layout in the .tar.gz? i either lose the ability ot compare it to other versions, or lose all files like README, auto.sh that are on the top level
jurov: (the latter happened in this case)
jurov: and looks like nobody ever followed the manual when submitting additional signatures to the turdatron :(
mod6: huh?
mod6 looks
jurov: mod6: original releases have src folder one level deep, your has it two
mod6: yeah, this is where these artifacts needed to be.
jurov: and it's ever more important than consistency for comparisons?
mod6: it didn't make sense to me to build boost, openssl and bdb under the "bitcoin" directory.
mod6: I didn't have any clue this would impact anything that you had working.
jurov: now you do. it does break recusrive diff
mod6: where are you having issues with this?
jurov: i will have to flatten the hierarchy before feeding it to lxr browser ( and if you will move files further around, undo that as well)
jurov: if it was convenience for build script, usually build scripts create new directories for their dirty stuff anyway, so i don't see the problem there
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felipelalli: hi friends! If I want to sell 1000 BTC in Italy, is that easy to make this off-exchange? Any useful contacts?
jurov: you need them how quickly?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55896 @ 0.00032434 = 18.1293 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
trinque: yep, they're thowing away the key
trinque: *throwing
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48278 @ 0.00031725 = 15.3162 BTC [-]
jurov: no need to fuss with cable tv boxes, even
ascii_field: 'Bitfury developed a light bulb that automatically mines Bitcoin when you screw it in' << for usg, aha
trinque: has the govt announced an auction for the rest of ulbricht's coin?
ascii_field: trinque: didn't agent force walk with it ?
trinque: not sure how much he made off with
decimation: he was indicted by a grand jury for... not telling usg what he was going to do with his cash
trinque: "structuring"
decimation: did you read the indictment?
decimation: it's fucked up. if there's any good call for jury anullment, this is it
trinque: I have not, taking a look
ascii_field: cattle vote precisely as ordered to - whether at election or in jury
decimation: now you know the reality is that the press and the prosecutors are going to talk about how he was dirty bastard or whatever
decimation: but the actual fact is that he didn't submit to the government spies who work in his bank
decimation: !up ascii_field
decimation: another point to note - if the former speaker of the house/k street lobbyist can't access cash in an anonymous way, what chance to regular people have?
trinque: I wonder if it will ever be known how many usg intelligence agents have been planted in various public offices
trinque: judges, so on
decimation: trinque: there's not need. the bank is illegal if it doesn't comply
trinque: perhaps just being a part of the same govt is enough for them to help each other
trinque: does seem though that certain things always find a willing judge
decimation: well, they are elected by the same cattle generally
trinque: I always think of Jessie Ventura's story about being summoned to DC for questioning by the CIA
trinque: topic of "where the fuck did you come from?"
ascii_field: <decimation> another point to note - if the former speaker of the house/k street lobbyist can't access cash in an anonymous way, what chance to regular people have? << if he is on trial, then it follows that he first fell from grace
felipelalli: jurov: I'm not sure yet, it is not for me, but to my father. As soon I have more details, can I contact you in pvt?
ascii_field: otherwise he would be untouchable
decimation: yeah, somebody somewhere pulled the trigger, no doubt
decimation: probably because of political enmity or whatever
jurov: felipelalli: yes you can
felipelalli: jurov: thank you.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54000 @ 0.00031714 = 17.1256 BTC [-] {3}
jurov: win.
trinque: ahaha
trinque: opening trilema in public is always a dice roll
jurov: felipelalli: i recommend explaining to your father asap that it's better not to sell whole package at once
felipelalli: jurov: I said that to him. He said he'll study to keep (or distribute) some part in bitcoin. I already found sellers here in Brazil.
trinque: decimation: in reading the indictment of the former speaker, the terrible consequences of using "intent" as a legal concept are apparent
trinque: allows for a black hole of thoughtcrime charges
williamdunne: felipelalli: You want to sell? I might be able to organize this for you
williamdunne: !gettrust williamdunne felipelalli
assbot: Trust relationship from user williamdunne to user felipelalli: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=williamdunne&to=felipelalli | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/felipelalli/
trinque: it also brings to mind the way these things develop, where first intent may be something which increases or decreases the legal severity of some other crime, but over time becomes a crime all its own
felipelalli: williamdunne: move usd from Brazil to Italy. My father is studying to use bitcoin. A Brazilian exchange is helping me with that but the problem now is find buyers in Italy.
felipelalli: williamdunne: are you Italian?
williamdunne: I am not italian but I have access to euro
williamdunne: You don't need money in Italy, you need money in Europe
williamdunne: All the same money..
williamdunne: But yes, I can't organize 200k in cash but I can probably find a buyer via bank transfer
felipelalli: williamdunne: they can make free transfer between different countries?
williamdunne: Yes, but why would you care about free on a deal that large?
felipelalli: williamdunne: "free" I mean cheap.
williamdunne: Yeah one or two euro
felipelalli: it's free :)
williamdunne: Aha, well yes. But on 1000 bitcoin even a wire transfer at 20 euros isn't really a problem :D
felipelalli: sure!! :)
williamdunne: But yes, do you need this? I will speak to someone
felipelalli: But 1% would be a problem.
felipelalli: I have to talk with him again. I'm waiting his call.
felipelalli: thank you guys.
williamdunne: Sure thing, I'll PM you if I know someone interested
jurov: wiring 200k euro isn't a problem if you're a company that does it like, every month
williamdunne: Yeah thats fine, I could handle that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31700 @ 0.00032949 = 10.4448 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10699 @ 0.00032904 = 3.5204 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66800 @ 0.00032974 = 22.0266 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: hey check it out, nsa-dev goes to join ver-foundation in the pile of relevancy ?
mircea_popescu: this is good for bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: !rated sipa
assbot: You have not rated sipa.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell sipa if you want to join #b-a and actually work on bitcoin for a change, i'll rate you so you can voice.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: !rated BlueMatt
assbot: You rated user BlueMatt on 06-May-2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: one of the very few dudes in -dev actually doing something useful..
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell BlueMatt if you want to join #b-a and actually work on bitcoin for a change, you have a rating already, so you can voice.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147610 << incidentally, the fact that this has been funded is proof positive that bezzle IT industry broadly agrees with me : moore's law is dead.
mircea_popescu: there's no expectation the contents of the boxes be obsolete any time before it amortises.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147632 << i do, whenever i write by hand. the women and nurses can usually read it, but not really anyone else.
assbot: Logged on 29-05-2015 10:00:11; jurov: <ben_vulpes> quick poll: who writes in cursive? << i do, but for internal use only. block letters otherwise
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147659 << obviously eats your air. engineering assumption being "where could we get a fixed 20 degrees source ?", otherwise who'd bother with the meatsacks.
assbot: Logged on 29-05-2015 13:35:27; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147610 << notice that it wants to vent to the street if you don't want the heat. let me guess, air intake is -not- selectable. this means that it would eat your air-conditioned air in the summer, heat it, and blow to the street. scam.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36255 @ 0.00033716 = 12.2237 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147662 << in principle, but this is eminently one of those cases where the difference between theory and practice is that in practice theory does not exist.
assbot: Logged on 29-05-2015 13:39:18; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147596 << laugh, but it isn't so hard if you are emulating ordinary sdram. if one side issues a write cycle, the other gets a wait-state signal (gets to think that the dram is in refresh state)
mircea_popescu: "in theory, there's no difference between theory and practice, while in practice theory does not exist." fify!
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147678 << does your 32 mb inner core feel encouraged by this ? :D
assbot: Logged on 29-05-2015 14:03:10; asciilifeform: the interesting number, btw, is 269868
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45050 @ 0.00033891 = 15.2679 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: as BingoBoingo points out, this has been a very high lulz week.
mircea_popescu: price increase incoming ?
BingoBoingo: MPOE price is moving up
mircea_popescu: oh that it is huh.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, the one interesting tidbit in all this : one difference between current bitcoin and hearn-bitcoin is that the latter replaces Jeff Garzik's DNS seed with the seed run by one Addy Yeow.
BingoBoingo: Also this is only high lolz compared to recent weeks. We're probably still below December's lolz levels still.
mircea_popescu: rather than simply getting rid of it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8917 @ 0.00033066 = 2.9485 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: this should be enough indication of the importance of dns-in-bitcoin for the shitgnome.
mircea_popescu: not just from a "must be in there for we need all the dns-carried pores imported via glibc etc", but also in the much lower level "who's in charge of the it!!1" thing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32533 @ 0.00032246 = 10.4906 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: (addy yeow aka ayeowch, "bitnodes" bs)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147702 << "the troops are just right over the horizon" and "real america supports me, for i am not a crook".
assbot: Logged on 29-05-2015 16:18:27; punkman: "There's a feeling on this list that there's no consensus, or that Gavin and myself are on the wrong side of it. I'd put it differently - there's very strong consensus out in the wider community and this list is something of an aberration."
BingoBoingo: Ah, the nodecounter that only counts post Hearnfork1 nodes
mircea_popescu: is socialism ever getting a new playbook ?
BingoBoingo: Of course software developers get no say. The say goes to the content farms in the Phillipines.
mircea_popescu: "i paid someone to make five hundred thousand fake facebook pages that like me, SO THERE1!1"
mircea_popescu: anyway, gavin best lolcow of 2015.
mircea_popescu: i remember the sad days when all we had was kludge the banker and ponzi the smooth operator.
mircea_popescu: got slightly better once mtgox got finished, but not by much. that year's lolcow promotion was delulded fatso, the pageantry genius with her "chamber of commerce", that schmuck in ny that meanwhile got sent to "privately practice" with his privates...
mircea_popescu: 2014 wasn't altogether bad, but it doesn't hold a candle to 2015 so far.
mircea_popescu: drastically humiliated cantor fitzgerald vp, drastically humiliated nsa assets, i can't wait for autumn.
assbot: Logged on 28-05-2015 22:27:06; cazalla: i'm sure there is a better way to do it but relying on archive.today probably isn't that great an idea but not sure what else to do (for example, all the bitcoin auction stuff has been completely removed from the US Marshall's website)
mircea_popescu: mildly humiliated us marshalls service and slightly more humiliated federal prosecutors. tho both of these being public servants, they can do a lot better than this.
mircea_popescu: slate still exists huh
BingoBoingo: Yeah, hard for them not too.
BingoBoingo: They still have enough name of their own that they can cut their expenses gawker style without collecting as much gawker stench
mircea_popescu: now this is a point
mircea_popescu: gawker was somehow the loss leader in that, but otherwise "industry"-wide it's been a serious case of "work for free or don't work at all, for money there isn't".
cazalla: i overstated that tbh.. most of it has been removed, there are a few remnants but the majority is gone
mircea_popescu: which, inasmuch as it's factually correct, is what it is.
mircea_popescu: cazalla screenshotted teh remnants ?
mircea_popescu: "On Friday, Kipnis published another piece in the Chronicle, revealing that, in a twist that's ironic on more than one level, she is now the subject of an investigation into graduate student complaints that her earlier column and a subsequent tweet violated Title IX, the law that prohibits sex descrimination in education."
mircea_popescu: i do not get how this is "ironic"
cazalla: most of it is pdf and xls files such as www.usmarshals.gov/readingroom/foia_logs/2014_foia_log.xlsx
mircea_popescu: inasmuch as the woman's public communication is being indicted for failing to kow-tow to idiocy, it'd seem this is just cultural-revolution style maoism.
cazalla: still shows foia requests unresolved
mircea_popescu: cazalla ahahaha idiots. same derps did this purge job that did thew original reddit "bitcoin blocks consensus" purge job ?
BingoBoingo: Ironically the definition of irony used on the ESL interwebz has expanded so much it has no meaning. It nao has as much meaning as "a" or "the"
mircea_popescu: cazalla "Error: Network error." lol archive no werk
cazalla: who knows who or if it was explicitly done or deleted along with other stuff as part of usms routine
cazalla: so if anyone can enlighten me.. what typically happens to those that find themselves in prison during the collapse of a nation?
mircea_popescu: depends. one counterfitter was freed from bastille.
mircea_popescu: gheorghe gheorghiu dej went from common criminal to head of romanian state in a decade
mircea_popescu: generally, the actual criminals do quite well.
deedbot-: Bad URL or network outage.
mircea_popescu: ah come on!
trinque: I've asked numerous times for a list of URLs people want whitelisted.
trinque: I assume I should add trilema :D
mircea_popescu: trinque no but just don't check url
mircea_popescu: the idea being, ifsomeone absuses it we just negrate him.
trinque: I suppose I can dial back the paranoia
mircea_popescu: gotta give people enough room to fail, otherwise people can't be good.
trinque: that's reasonable
trinque: when I build new things I tend to err towards caution
mircea_popescu: understandabru
trinque: mircea_popescu: ok give it another go
deedbot-: accepted: 1
cazalla: check it out, some people are stress testing the network to make the argument for a blocksize increase https://blockchain.info/new-transactions
mircea_popescu: how's this supposed to work.
mircea_popescu: SummaryStatus: Disconnected lolk
cazalla: apparently you bloat unconfirmed tx so that it's great than 1mb and then you point and say see, we need an increase cause i gotta wait 20m instead of 10m for 1 confirmation
mircea_popescu: except this doesn't work lol.
mircea_popescu: old coinbases still get priority.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47900 @ 0.00031931 = 15.2949 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: not to even mention... fee paying txn
cazalla: well they probably don't have anything older than a few days anyway
mircea_popescu: the beauty of this being that if you have say 1000btc in one chunk
mircea_popescu: spending anything out of it makes BOTH the little you spent and the 999.x remainder NEW coinbases.
cazalla: some coincidence a bunch of folk on /r/bitcoin get together to stress test the same day gavin threatens to take his ball/bat and go home with hearn
mircea_popescu: imagine the "stress test" if the blocks ACTUALLY WERE 20mb.
mircea_popescu: one can always spin up an arbitrary number of spammy txn.
midnightmagic: Likely whoever it is who's paying the /r/bitcoin shills has an agenda, just like everyone else..
mircea_popescu: "Kipnis was not allowed to have an attorney present during her interview with Title IX investigators, she writes, but she was allowed to bring along another faculty member as a "support person" provided that the person she brought did not speak. That support person later discussed Kipnis' situation at a "Faculty Senate" meeting—and has subsequently been accused of, yes, committing a Title IX violation."
mircea_popescu: pretty lulzy.
mircea_popescu: i think ima start "tit 1337" investigations of random people nao.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck not even.
williamdunne: midnightmagic: I think its most likely just stupid people, nothing nefarious
williamdunne: Outside of the stupidity that is
assbot: Logged on 29-05-2015 16:29:47; danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.Cusipzzz.-1:aa2a317c92fbd75f2a22c41ad0c1e50143a0b05f2b9b8e6adcb1995a92ca2b32
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147755 << seems adequate. "you mean kid in a dorm somewhere dared do something we disagree with on an ideological level ?!!!1?!?!?!"
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147766 << pretty much the entirety of the us claims in this case are puff.
decimation: yeah but life in prison?
mircea_popescu: they got money burnin holes in their pockets absolutely must buy guy's meal and doctor visits.
cazalla: t-bone and chorizo and then a couple persimmons for breakfast.. i am so snake full
mircea_popescu: what do you suppose is the difference between this life in prison and that life in prison anyway ? not like he was gonna buy himself a house.
decimation: he could 'buy' 'a house' though
mircea_popescu: so he did.
cazalla: don't forget the 180m he owns USG despite em selling his proceeds
mircea_popescu: honestly, if i was seriously contemplating living in the us, i'd seriously consider getting a life sentence. that way they're stuck paying for it all
mircea_popescu: you can just paint or w/e it is you wanted to do.
mircea_popescu: become a literary critic.
cazalla: but the food..
mircea_popescu: eh, it's about on par with what people generally eat.
cazalla: he'll be eating grilled cheese off the radiator
williamdunne: cazalla: Owes 18m, they removed what they gained from selling the coins
decimation: apparently in the us the strain of e.coli that eats your colon is considered to be an 'adulterant' in beef
mircea_popescu: williamdunne and the part they didn't sell because their own agents stole ? removed that too ?
decimation: but in chicken, simonella (which can eat your brain) isn't
mircea_popescu: salmonella ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> honestly, if i was seriously contemplating living in the us, i'd seriously consider getting a life sentence. that way they're stuck paying for it all << Get yourself Bariatric, then get the life sentence for maximum cost infliction
cazalla: williamdunne, where do you get that from? justice.gov says "In addition to the life sentence prison term, ULBRICHT was ordered to forfeit $183,961,921."
williamdunne: Can't remember which article I read it on
williamdunne: But yeah
trinque: does this come out of his deodorant and titty magazine account in prison?
williamdunne: Said that while he was ordered to forfeit that much they consider what they sold to contribute towards it
decimation: yeah salmonella
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Its not like that is the USGs responsibility </sarc>
mircea_popescu: decimation very unfair contrast, this. e coli is natural gut fauna. salmonella is never found in healthy humans.
decimation: apparently this comes from a court case in the 1970's
decimation: where the chicken lobby argued that it would be insulting to the housewives of america if the government said that they couldn't handle some salmonella contamination
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> salmonella ? << It Birds and reptiles it is part of their normal flora. Can't be considered an adultrant
mircea_popescu: but we're feeding us, not them
decimation: BingoBoingo: but e.coli is in beef
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72250 @ 0.00033304 = 24.0621 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: decimation: Depends on the strain of e. coli
mircea_popescu: the idea is, that e coli is commensal or symbiotic, depending on your perspective, whereas salmonella is pathogenic
mircea_popescu: these are about as unlike as steel and arsenic.
mircea_popescu: notwithstanding you can make a steel sword and behead someone
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> the idea is, that e coli is commensal or symbiotic, depending on your perspective, whereas salmonella is pathogenic << unless you are a chicken or turtle... then salmonella is just normal poop bacteria
mircea_popescu: well sure, i guess chicken fda has a diff take
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00033584 = 3.8118 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Most people who self diagnose salmonella usually actually test positive for campylobacter anyways when chikken makes em sick
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147779 << goes right back to yesterday, and before's discussion re starving in the street.
assbot: Logged on 29-05-2015 21:22:42; decimation: another point to note - if the former speaker of the house/k street lobbyist can't access cash in an anonymous way, what chance to regular people have?
mircea_popescu: check it out alfie, guy is starving in the street. good enough yet ? :D
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147788 << this is exactly irrelevant for anyone in the past. obviously, if trotsky ended up with a pickaxe in the head, it then follows that trotsky ended up with a pickaxe in the head. what of this is germane to any discussion of trotsky in any positive approach ?
assbot: Logged on 29-05-2015 21:25:41; ascii_field: <decimation> another point to note - if the former speaker of the house/k street lobbyist can't access cash in an anonymous way, what chance to regular people have? << if he is on trial, then it follows that he first fell from grace
mircea_popescu: is it related to his tooth brushing habits ? is it a function of being loose with women ?
mircea_popescu: that is the point. to fall from grace there must be a grace first. there isn't.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, cazalla and i : bringing wtf to fb normies since a while ago.
BingoBoingo: best thumbnail
mircea_popescu: dude can't even screem wtf.
mircea_popescu: sounds liek a prison rape.
assbot: Logged on 29-05-2015 21:45:33; trinque: it also brings to mind the way these things develop, where first intent may be something which increases or decreases the legal severity of some other crime, but over time becomes a crime all its own
mircea_popescu: once something gains legal relevance, there's no way to keep it from becoming severed.
BingoBoingo: So it seems we have a young stray cat in the neighborhood that really likes it's dinner still screaming.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50100 @ 0.00032301 = 16.1828 BTC [-] {2}
cazalla: keel it! fuck i hate cats
BingoBoingo: All last night, every 15 minutes, squeak squeak squeak as it plays with another mouse for quite a while liek it is eating a korean octopus dish
BingoBoingo: cazalla: I didn't even interupt it. As much as I hated the noise, better it gets the mice than the mice get inside
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88174 @ 0.00031694 = 27.9459 BTC [-] {3}
cazalla: what harm is a field mouse?
BingoBoingo: if it gets inside it shits everywhere and dies
mircea_popescu: "As I've written before, Silk Road was undoubtedly a net positive for the health, safety, and liberty of most of its customers and sellers. "
mircea_popescu: random commentator on internets has an excewllent point
mircea_popescu: that the defense failed to call out the moral-panic powered prosecution
mircea_popescu: and to point out that the only person being helpful to the community in that room is the accused,
mircea_popescu: whereas the rest of the derps are essentially going on a "holy shit something we never heard of before- BURN THE WITHCq!1"
mircea_popescu: is perhaps the major-est failure in known legal history.
mircea_popescu: whenever anyone tells you that fucktarded "he who represents himself has a fool for a client", do remember : at least it won't be as bad as the silk road defense.
williamdunne: The lawyers derped there, big time
mircea_popescu: nothing one can do accidentally or untinentionally can ever be as bad as the deliberate, calculated poison the officers of the court masquerading as "defense counsel" put forth.
BingoBoingo: Dratel was the worst. Even Matlock would have done better and he's dead nao.
cazalla: BingoBoingo, but cats shit every where too
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Feral cats tend to not make it inside and outside of winter they don't really try to either
cazalla: i can't say i've ever had a problem with mice or know of anyone that has down under.. cats though? huge problem, huge shits, lots of noise
assbot: Logged on 30-05-2015 00:34:33; mircea_popescu: danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147706 logz ?
decimation: mircea_popescu: what conversation were you referencing "goes right back to yesterday, and before's discussion re starving in the street"
mircea_popescu: !rate cusipzzz -10 ex-bitcoin merchant, meanwhile indicted over money laundering and released provisionally with an understanding that he'll use his supposed clout in the Bitcoin community in exchange for "lenience", whatever that may mean.
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/6a33e02f8f285012
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.cusipzzz.-10:7efb49656c3c4fe3426e105cd84804e418313f0ad96ac8ae211f55148c7a83cf
assbot: Successfully added a rating of -10 for cusipzzz with note: ex-bitcoin merchant, meanwhile indicted over money laundering and released provisionally with an understanding that he'll use his supposed clout in the Bitcoin community in exchange for "lenience", whatever that may mean.
BingoBoingo: Well, for what it is worth this cat sucks at being feral. I went out for a cig and it was just sitting under a tree. Might be someone wanted an outdoor cat as a pet.
mircea_popescu: and that goes to the rest of you fuckheads. 1) i know who all of you are. this because your overlords can't keep secrets worth a shit. 2) my people are intangible or you get fucked.
BingoBoingo: cazalla: You forget we have farms, woods, and native wild bunnies
mircea_popescu: should be simple enough.,
BingoBoingo: Oh, -otc basically a trap nao?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo -otc has all teh "relevancy" one could ever wish for.
BingoBoingo: I kinda thought as much
midnightmagic: williamdunne: No, there are actual groups of people with years-long accounts who are paid. Coindesk or coinfire, or $random_lame_news_outlet "broke" the story a while ago including screenshots and lists of reddit accounts (which they kept private)
midnightmagic: And they get paid by people they never met.
williamdunne: Sure, I know shills exist, I was offered some myself
williamdunne: I just thing the vast majority of the people are just derping
mircea_popescu: this is broadly true, but much like the guy with the red stapler, that vast majority doesn't actually take the time and effort to prop conde nast's numbers while derping
mircea_popescu: they just derp to themselves.
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1147922 << i noticed this on my two nodes; my pogo has been lagging behind by at least a few blocks and my bigger machine was also getting its memory pool jammed up
assbot: Logged on 30-05-2015 00:20:52; cazalla: check it out, some people are stress testing the network to make the argument for a blocksize increase https://blockchain.info/new-transactions
BingoBoingo: midnightmagic> williamdunne: No, there are actual groups of people with years-long accounts who are paid. Coindesk or coinfire, or $random_lame_news_outlet "broke" the story a while ago including screenshots and lists of reddit accounts (which they kept private) << It was Coinfire. They've done a few excellent stories in their history, but the way they operate is just so fucking... odd
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo afaik it's just a hard working guy that is completely misguided as to what constitutes business etc.
mircea_popescu: "professional"
williamdunne: Won't even own any bitcoin because it could make him 'biased'
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That and he's got a few fresh off the reddit faces he finds to help throw up occasional extra stories
mircea_popescu: williamdunne yeah that's exactly the sort of thing. what clueless derp would think of the press bias in these terms ?
mircea_popescu: fresh off a community college course in "introduction to journalism" from wichita ?
midnightmagic: I'd heard of that guy. That's the coinfire guy is it? Huh.
williamdunne: Financial Times writers no longer allowed to hold any commodity, currency, or other tradable asset.
mircea_popescu: yeah, because they were going to. all bought on the generous pay their prestigious position with the times allows them.
mircea_popescu: they can buy either 0 shares of any stock or no less than 0 contracts in any future.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> williamdunne yeah that's exactly the sort of thing. what clueless derp would think of the press bias in these terms ? << Whichever Timothy go hooked into working for Vox faced this dilemma. Staid with Vox to his peril
scoopbot_revived: The greatest failure in modern legal history, the story of Joshua Dratel http://trilema.com/2015/the-greatest-failure-in-modern-legal-history-the-story-of-joshua-dratel/
danielpbarron: !up Bjander
decimation: !gettrust belxjander
assbot: belxjander is not registered in WoT.
decimation: !gettrust bjander
assbot: bjander is not registered in WoT.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62750 @ 0.00031579 = 19.8158 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00032293 = 4.5533 BTC [+]
decimation: representing yourself in us court is a recipie for disaster - the government clerks do not take kindly to people
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: ty very much for the timing of that one
mircea_popescu: sure o.O
BingoBoingo: decimation: You can hire a lawyer, but you gotta make sure they understand they are the hired help. They deal with the clerks and the bitchwork. You do the reading and make the decisions.
BingoBoingo: Now how long we gotta wait on scoopy...
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo if you can find someone like this, it'll usually be a paralegal.
BingoBoingo presently has a "good christian lawyer"
decimation: A friend told me about how a local inspector came to examine his house (which he was building himself). The inspector told him that he should have hired a professional to do the plumbing (he did, but represented his own house to the inspector)
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: but yeah you hire them for their license and make em paralegal for you
decimation: the inspector failed the plumbing on many counts. meanwhile the plumber who did the work had similar work passed by the same inspector on a different job
mircea_popescu: "Danish Syed (archived) was sentenced to 18 months in prison for helping his half brother move to Pakistan." o.O
decimation: My point is that if you represent yourself you are going to be 'presumed guilty of failing to genuflect before the government appropriately'
mircea_popescu: well, in cases which are essentially this to begin with...
decimation: exactly.
decimation: well, this calls to mind the 'trial' of georges danton
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: On that one basically the half brother milked some fiat fails and went to Pakistan when charges hit. Syed helped some of his cash return to him.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo wow check it out, woman betrayed teh pakistani ring!
BingoBoingo: Tends to happen.
mircea_popescu: "Chrisopher Serna (archived) was sentenced to 50 years in prison by a Florida court for cutting off his girlfriend's head and sticking it on a pole."
asciilifeform: in other news:
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And Serna is young enough to potentially leave jail after the full sentence
mircea_popescu: i like qntra.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform shipment of small women from southeast asia ?
williamdunne: qntra is good
BingoBoingo: It's amaxing the filtering we happened upon. WHen nothing happens... qntra slows share creation slows. WHen shit goes down qntra heats up again.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Is that the other kind of board?
mircea_popescu: "If they continue imprisoning their betters the result is going to be technically savvy warlords."
decimation: 50 years is less than life
mircea_popescu: should bne interesting to see irl.
decimation: apparently mr. silk road should have just beheaded random women
mircea_popescu: decimation too late for him
mircea_popescu: apparently EVERYONE ELSE should. preferably, starting wit hthe civil service.
BingoBoingo: decimation: Nah, known women. Known is a mitigating circumstance
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147865 << good nyooz then, i'm loading the pistol to shoot the last vestiges of dns-in-bitcoin in the head as we speak
assbot: Logged on 29-05-2015 23:43:29; mircea_popescu: this should be enough indication of the importance of dns-in-bitcoin for the shitgnome.
decimation: asciilifeform: how to replace? .conf with ips?
asciilifeform: and i will also point out that we can keep the irc sync mechanism and run it over gossipd.
asciilifeform: (or not, and pass seed ip on commandline as discussed in old thread)
BingoBoingo: <decimation> 50 years is less than life << This kinda depends on the age of the person at time of sentencing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nb.
decimation: asciilifeform: and then discover peers by asking the seed about his connections?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1147958 << prisoners in usa are 'civil dead', i.e. they cannot communicate securely or pgp-sign. ask ted kazynski. so i'll take that bullet plz
assbot: Logged on 30-05-2015 00:40:56; mircea_popescu: honestly, if i was seriously contemplating living in the us, i'd seriously consider getting a life sentence. that way they're stuck paying for it all
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform eh, privacy is overrated. especially in old age.
trinque: mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/the-crime-of-being-american/ << ftr I agree with this 100%. this struck me years ago, occupies my mind daily
mircea_popescu: !up baghodler
mircea_popescu: trinque aha!
trinque: one doesn't get to deny the blood they're covered in because "oh I wouldn't do that if I were fuhrer"
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1147996 << he fell from grace. let me know when buffet, musk, gates, thiel - starve.
assbot: Logged on 30-05-2015 00:51:24; mircea_popescu: check it out alfie, guy is starving in the street. good enough yet ? :D
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo thats a point.
trinque: great comic too
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what grace is this ?
mircea_popescu: note that for it to be accepted in the discussion, it must exist prior to the event, not merely be constructed ex post facto as a contrapositive.
williamdunne: mm asslag again
williamdunne: Guessing its freenode servers
decimation: it is interesting that they tried to stick hastert with this 'you lied to us about your cash' law
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1148054 << with or without my two skull'n'crossbone patches ?
assbot: Logged on 30-05-2015 01:44:59; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1147922 << i noticed this on my two nodes; my pogo has been lagging behind by at least a few blocks and my bigger machine was also getting its memory pool jammed up
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'grace' in the very general sense that these folks are untouchable (see gary condit, who even got away with killing a fucktoy) until they aren't.
danielpbarron: without
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform shipment of small women from southeast asia ? << next best thing. sealed sony trinitron, of what i think is the largest 4:3 size that was made.
asciilifeform: GDM-5402
decimation: I had a 21 inch trinitron back in the day
decimation: took to the dump a few years ago
BingoBoingo: First stint of grad school I was so pissed when fucking druggy never returned my 9" trinitron
asciilifeform: 2048X1536@75Hz, 1600x1280@96Hz
cazalla: 144hz master race
decimation: thing was a heavy bastard
asciilifeform: this one is ~40kg
decimation: I'm surprised they don't use those in medical applications where contrast is crtical
asciilifeform: rather like the identical but aged, dim unit i have already on other desk
asciilifeform: decimation: they did until very recently
asciilifeform: (they do not, as we all know, last forever)
BingoBoingo had a nice 9" trinitron rf signal display machine with integrated optical disk player. A historical, more trusting Bingo loaned it to a neighbor and gone.
decimation: I suppose lcds are getting better w.r.t. contrast
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the ntsc trinitrons are not comparable
asciilifeform retches from memory of ntsc screens
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not at all, but compared to cheap LED's
BingoBoingo: *LCD's
decimation: thost little guide wires on the screen always made me a little happy
asciilifeform: decimation: remember the knock-offs without the guidewires ?
decimation: heh yeah
decimation: was always easy to tell
BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform retches from memory of ntsc screens << Sometimes... the content is already ntsc encoded...
decimation: yeah I remember playing nintendo on an ntsc trinitron, was better than random shit tv
BingoBoingo: Oh, I wasn't using this for games, but that would have been grand. I was right by a PBS station and could watch "The Victory Garden" in all its glory
asciilifeform: thinking of buying three more of the gdm-5402 and replacing my 'eizo's
asciilifeform: but not sure if house wiring can handle it
decimation: heh. I don't think they take that much power do they?
asciilifeform: or whether my desk will auger in
decimation: I guess 200 watts
decimation: yeah that's probably the first thing to fail
decimation: heh 70 lbs
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> or whether my desk will auger in << What else are the studs in the walls for if not bearing weight?
asciilifeform: my doubleconverter ups would probably catch fire
asciilifeform: it's already at ~70% load
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this hovel, interestingly, has steel frame. first time i lived in such a thing. a real bitch to hang up anything in
asciilifeform: the only time i drilled it, broke three ordinary bits before waking up and going out to the machine shop to fetch a boron nitride one
BingoBoingo: Amazing. So you actually do have a frame that can handle pretty much whatever weight UPS packages can throw at it without bumping your shit down to "freight" treatment.
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
BingoBoingo: ^lol labcoin reference
asciilifeform: wai wat
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2013 19:00:25; kakobrekla: amazing company
decimation: asciilifeform: actually this is probably a good faraday cage for low frequencies
decimation: your steel frame walls
BingoBoingo: decimation: I doubt he's as worried about submarines listening as... vans
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46850 @ 0.00031976 = 14.9808 BTC [-] {2}
danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.felipelalli.2:20778d891b1ba5e5a1a3a10728673c4f2804e99d0b8801794a2846a253ccebba
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for felipelalli from 1 to 2 with note: enthusiastic aspiring writer
felipelalli: thank you danielpbarron!
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 358608 | Current Difficulty: 4.880748724468138E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 358847 | Next Difficulty In: 239 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 17 hours, 52 minutes, and 7 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47477961159.4 | Estimated Percent Change: -2.72402
decimation: whatever clicked on apparently clicked off
asciilifeform: decimation: no good at all as faraday cage, they're frame only
mircea_popescu: maybe it was just noise.
asciilifeform: gentlemen! anyone else play with my patches from last night ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> decimation: no good at all as faraday cage, they're frame only << But if you replaced the drywall with classically done plaster...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: read about utility ingresses for faraday chambers some time
asciilifeform: imho the preoccupation with man-sized faraday cages is a classic usg idiocy
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: read about utility ingresses for faraday chambers some time << might as well look it up nao while waiting waiting for 1nd and third opinions on the orphan slaughter
asciilifeform: plugging the wrong end of the funnel as always
asciilifeform: last i heard, they had a mobile one made for the fuhrer himself
asciilifeform: which he has to step out of every time he wants to check main on his iPnohe
asciilifeform: !up RUchimp
RUchimp: No need to voice, just gonna idle and see whats goin on.
asciilifeform: RUchimp: consider reading the log on www
asciilifeform: RUchimp: log.bitcoin-assets.com
BingoBoingo: RUchimp: Introductions never hurt
decimation: avago is probably going to slice and dice broadcom, sell off peices
asciilifeform: if broadcom were hit by plague or asteroids, i'm not certain that i would notice or care
asciilifeform: and would certainly shed not one tear.
asciilifeform: unfortunately, their products will remain with us.
decimation: heh yeah agreed
RUchimp: \Sorry, using a different handle
decimation: interestingly it was acquired by the former hp semiconductor division based in singapore, run by chinese
decimation: intel is gonna buy altera, after minting their chips for years
asciilifeform waits for cocacola to buy pepsi
decimation: more like pepsi being bought by its combined bottlers
asciilifeform: the not-so-secret here is that intel wants to bake fpga directly on x86 die
asciilifeform: for the usg market
asciilifeform: which orbits around deep-packet shenanigans and likes fpga
asciilifeform: and infinite money
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8982 @ 0.00033584 = 3.0165 BTC [+]
decimation: but what's the probability that intel can deliver this functionality with non-retarded tools?
asciilifeform: decimation: there is no question of non-retarded tools. in so far as is known, intel's entire toolchain is winblows
asciilifeform: even their joke of an 'open' bios is built in vs, with megs (yes) of .bat script as build chain
asciilifeform: at any rate, this product is 'not for people'
decimation: also note that this is a tacit admission by intel that they can mint lots of transistors but have no idea how their customers want the transistors to be arranged
asciilifeform: afaik every attempt by intel to sell something other than x86 has tanked
decimation: yeah they keep trying to make mobile shit
decimation: the writing on the wall is that the xeon stuff isn't gonna keep making money forever, especially when intel can only deliever 20% improvement per 5 years
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> afaik every attempt by intel to sell something other than x86 has tanked << I remember the netbook dying as soon as AMD had chips that could win this niche.
decimation: umm, where are amd netbooks?
decimation: netbook died because it cut out profits for everyone
decimation: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/05/tisa-yet-another-leaked-treaty-youve-never-heard-makes-secret-rules-internet/ < "But the latest leak has revealed more. The agreement would also prohibit countries from enacting free and open source software mandates"
asciilifeform thought that it died because machine for viewing porn in toilet doesn't need keyboard
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah but did you notice that the tablets that 'replaced' the netbook have less functionality?
asciilifeform: naturally
decimation: and cost twice as much
trinque: https://www-ssl.intel.com/content/www/us/en/tech-tips-and-tricks/streaming-tv-shows.html << this was a particularly weird market for intel to get into, afaik nothing has come of it
trinque: hm that one doesn't describe exactly what I was looking for
trinque: I recall Intel saying they were going to make their own streaming service
BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform thought that it died because machine for viewing porn in toilet doesn't need keyboard << Life for it I saw on campuses was people who wanted laptop, but didn't want to carry a laptop. Same people the next years I saw with heavier tablet/keyboard combos
BingoBoingo: netbook as notetaking machine was a solid niche
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the crapification of 'netbook' stands out in clear, cartoon colours when compared with something like the 1997-1999 toshiba 'libretto'
asciilifeform: machine in all respects similar, but with decent keyboard and sans the 'disposable' chinese plastic feel
trinque: asciilifeform: apparently now refers to a tablet monstrosity http://www.toshiba.com/us/computers/laptops/libretto
asciilifeform: all models after '110ct' were halfway to the kind of garbage now familiar as 'netbook'
danielpbarron: http://www.heca.be/museum/A_Portege610CT.jpg << i used one of these things with debian
asciilifeform: ^ that's an ordinary laptop
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61950 @ 0.00033467 = 20.7328 BTC [-] {3}
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah where are modern 'librettos' or hp lx200s?
asciilifeform: decimation: in the same place as modern lisp machine
decimation: or a portable machine with error correcting memory?
asciilifeform: nowhere, unless mircea_popescu had one hand-soldered for his use by pretty gurlz
mircea_popescu: laptocks sup.
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2EFW6G6.txt )
decimation: mircea_popescu: why is a laptop worse than a standard workstation console?
decimation: other than the obvious ergonomic issues
asciilifeform: why is a pine stake worse than a bar stool?
mircea_popescu: othar than ?
asciilifeform: other than the ergonomic issues
mircea_popescu: ;;google laptop si oo coapte
gribble: Istanbul selamlar! on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/istanbul-selamlar>; Copilaria anilor `80 - inceputul anilor `90 - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8RgzvzwlVQ>; Cozonac Rosenkrantz - Retete Aluaturi dulci - Gastronomie online ...: <http://gourmandine.ro/retete-aluaturi-dulci/cozonac-rosenkrantz/>
mircea_popescu: google, you suck.
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