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asciilifeform: incidentally, now is the time when i say, to interested readers, that i do not presently consider myself qualified to build a bitcoin 'wallet.' not because i do not understand how they must work at least as well as anyone else - but because of the 'skin in the game' problem.
asciilifeform: i cannot personally jump with that particular parachute from any kind of meaningful height
asciilifeform: if had serious coin - a different matter.
asciilifeform: just as i will not undertake to build a space suit.
asciilifeform: (who will take my space suit seriously, and why)
ben_vulpes: who takes satoshi's?
asciilifeform: satoshi got to drop his from ufo
asciilifeform: no one else gets to do this.
decimation: asciilifeform: well I would give the cop credit, at least he knocked on door and said something
asciilifeform: decimation: it is traditional in these parts
asciilifeform: for a burglary to be proclaimed in this way.
decimation: asciilifeform: one problem with renting is that it is difficult to modify the house for security systems
ben_vulpes: chetty: can i get a favor from you in exchange?
asciilifeform: decimation: very easy, actually, but most contracts around here demand that you give 'improvements' to the landlord for free
asciilifeform: which is to say, if you build a $widget into the house and then tear it out, and leave holes, he can charge you a nominal cost of cement for the holes.
asciilifeform: the fella i'm renting from now, lives on opposite end of continent, and never comes here. he will only bill for holes etc. if next tenant complains about them
decimation: heh sounds reasonable
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell chetty i'd be much obliged if you could procure me a phone and a sim - the cheapest that makes and receives calls will be more than adequate
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell chetty no obligation though, i'm still bringing your seaweed
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: l0l, why ben_vulpes even needs a phone
ben_vulpes: have you no imagination, man?
asciilifeform brought phone last time, did not use for anything useful
asciilifeform: friends were right in the airport, waving
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: confirmed for imaginationless except in regards to his own means of death
asciilifeform: eh can imagine.
asciilifeform: but l0lz
asciilifeform to pet: 'if i go to the bottom of the sea, push this button...'
ben_vulpes: surely not the self destruct under the boulder trap...
decimation: no, it's behind the fake rock
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00030098 = 1.0233 BTC [+]
williamdunne: Mine is behind a hard place
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14496 @ 0.00029528 = 4.2804 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00029405 = 1.6761 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14460 @ 0.00030068 = 4.3478 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Olivier Janssens: Bitcoin Floundation Out Of Money, Hates Transparency | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1CIWbii )
assbot: IS supporters post cartoon depicting Obama beheading | The Times of Israel ... ( http://bit.ly/1CIWhXg )
pete_dushenski: though isis calls him 'the mule of the jooz'
pete_dushenski: which, if he's the mule of socialism, and of the braindamaged jewry extant after that most abysmal intellectual 'cleansing', i can sorta see it
pete_dushenski: 'jooz' having lost its former lustre in this case, however, and now being a synonym for idiotic equalitarians.
pete_dushenski: no more does the term mean 'cultured' or 'worldly' it seems
pete_dushenski: or mebbe it never did, at least not for the less refined desert tribes.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00028693 = 3.3858 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20594 @ 0.00028765 = 5.9239 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24700 @ 0.00028693 = 7.0872 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10620 @ 0.00028696 = 3.0475 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23450 @ 0.00028693 = 6.7285 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: scoopbot -fetch
BingoBoingo: scoopbot -fetch
assbot: Fenton Replaces Murck as Vessenes Foundation Pivots Again | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1FEjpIA )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9938 @ 0.00029283 = 2.9101 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00029283 = 2.3134 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00029386 = 3.6733 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9537 @ 0.00028693 = 2.7365 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8841 @ 0.00028693 = 2.5367 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24420 @ 0.00029502 = 7.2044 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9112 @ 0.00028693 = 2.6145 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15150 @ 0.00028693 = 4.347 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 01:56:44; ben_vulpes: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=392073
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100266 << no, it's obvious. it's also obvious that they're not getting it.
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 02:00:37; asciilifeform: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2015#1099925 << do i need to explain what the resurrection of 'key escrow' idiocy from '90s (clinton's! to go right along with the new clinton!) means from the meta-nsa school of thought? or is it already obvious to aficionados
assbot: Judge: Preet Bharara's Brinkmanship Endangers Fair Trials | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1CTrirY )
mircea_popescu: "In this case, the U.S. Attorney, while castigating politicians in Albany for playing fast and loose with the ethical rules that govern their conduct, strayed so close to the edge of the rules governing his own conduct that Defendant Sheldon Silver has a non-frivolous argument that he fell over the edge to the Defendant’s prejudice."
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100283 << the odd reason being that the whole fucking plan was stupid to begin with ? it relied on the insane theory that everyone's the intellectual captive of the usg dreamsilk.
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 02:06:27; asciilifeform: but for some odd reason (3) did not happen.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile : the people who are competent never cared what the usg was putting out, and have and use functional solutions that don't involve it.
mircea_popescu: the people who are incompetent also never cared what the usg was putting out, and have and use convenient solutions that mostly also don't involve it
mircea_popescu: (generally - doing nothing).
mircea_popescu: usg went in the middle and lost, there being no middle. but this is funny, psychologically, because : all socialisms always live by fleecing the middle class. for all the verbiage, it's the "kulak" that supported the soviets, not the filthy rich capitalist dudes.
mircea_popescu: the problem with this is that as the socialism progresses, the middle class dies out. because socialism is societal cancer, it just burns the fat and dies.
mircea_popescu: but, amusingly, no socialism to date, no matter it's (always on, anyway) claims to sophistication EVER realised that hte middle is finite.
mircea_popescu: and so...
mircea_popescu: "nobody on easter island realised that if we cut down all the trees on easter island there won't be anyting left, on easter island".
mircea_popescu: and yes, sucks for the remnant of teh middle class, obviously. which, i suppose, is a good summary of a large chunk of "what to do" discussions here.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100288 << you completely misunderstand what this wot thing is.
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 02:07:49; felipelalli: in this way, anyone could rate scammers and it would be useful for all services like exchanges and everything.
mircea_popescu: blockexplorer.com : ERROR: unknown (Most likely my bitcoind stopped working or this page is too large/complex.)
mircea_popescu: and blockchain.info is also not coming up for me
mircea_popescu: ;;isup blockchain.info
gribble: blockchain.info is up
mircea_popescu: "Maximum concurrent requests for this endpoint reached. Please try again shortly."
mircea_popescu: does not really count as up
williamdunne: ;;isup blockr.io
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100298 << you mean, what'd they defraud you out of ? or what it actually costs ?
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 02:11:38; asciilifeform: (do you know what it costs to advertise in every single car of the d.c. subway?)
gribble: blockr.io is up
williamdunne: That one is pretty good
mircea_popescu: it actually costs like 50 bux
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 02:12:24; ben_vulpes: provincia pagos sent my reciprocity fee system password in plaintext again
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100317 << there is no such thing as a "real" document. the reason it's a document in the first palce is BECAUSE ITS NOT REAL. it's a convention!
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 02:15:38; felipelalli: asciilifeform: thank you, good point, but it could be offset with the WoT where the ability to analyze a real document would be taken into account. williamdunne thank you! Nice to hear that! I was thinking about it for days! Do you know who are working on similar standard?
mircea_popescu: conventions between you and X may matter, to you, to X, to people who know you, or X, or both.
mircea_popescu: declarations of pretenders to sovereignity like the brazilian government matter... to it. not to me.
mircea_popescu: it can make all the passports it wants, ima credit someone on the basis of that as much as i'd credit someone presenting a reader's digest letter.
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 02:17:36; williamdunne: felipelalli: Not sure if its a good idea or not at this point, but interesting to think about. Very hard to prove we are the sole instance of ourselves
williamdunne: How would you go about it?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100329 << yeah, because mysteriously o'brien is where you go for the supersikrit goldstein biography. logic.
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 02:18:16; asciilifeform: as the 'ban' thing unfolds, honeypots like zimmerman's which specifically sell on the point of 'l337 d00dz against nsa' will either a) quietly fade away b) somehow continue in what they presently are, in spite of supposed 'bans'
mircea_popescu: williamdunne make a gpg signature.
williamdunne: While I understand the point you're trying to make, I don't think that was the answer he was looking for
williamdunne: He meant one set of hands, not one identity
mircea_popescu: he wasn't looking for any answer. he was trying to shoehorn disorganised remains of broken history into the future. as he keeps trying to do this he'll figure it out.
williamdunne: Sure, and I think he discovered that from the conversation
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, it's easy to maintain sole access over an identity, and pointless to discuss whether that is your only identity.
mircea_popescu: obviously it wouldn't be. if you're a waiter and you get married now you're a waiter and a husband. big whoop.
mircea_popescu: the idea that you even care about "alt identities" is pure totalitarianism, about on the level of a "forum mod" trying to "enforce forum rules" with "bans". rank nonsense. the way it goes is the other way : only let people in that have a business in.
mircea_popescu: the insanity of the aol internet turned all sense on its head.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100337 << my face dropped when i read some piece of his (a year or two before becoming a speaking head for the govt) when he was going "oh, i lost my original pgp key long ago, it's too hard to use hurr durr"
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 02:20:06; decimation: asciilifeform: note that zimmerman is largely trading on his rep 'earned' during the 'crypto wars'
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100361 << i would be really scared if one day i woke up in a world where "everyone" understood anything. even the most minute, basic point.
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 02:25:49; asciilifeform: sadly, i suspect that even a thousand threads like this one will not suffice in hammering the point home to the thickest
mircea_popescu: then i'd throw up, likely, because fucking hell now i have to reconsider the "no universal human quality" pillar of thought.
mircea_popescu: i want to reconsider that about as much as windows user wants to compile from source.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100378 << morally neutral god of all knowledge ? interesting, incidentally, that the price the various jewish groups (including xtians) had to pay for the "church-state" frankenstein was overloading the correct notion of god with the notion of a "correct" god. only once god knew all AND GAVE A SHIT ABOUT THE KING'S WILL was there to be mandatory churchgoing and burning of
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 02:33:44; asciilifeform: felipelalli: one not-inaccurate way to think about 'cipherpunkian' systems such as bitcoin or wot is as attempts to emulate a kind of incorruptible god
mircea_popescu: native huts.
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 352078 | Current Difficulty: 4.944639068824144E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 352799 | Next Difficulty In: 721 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 14 hours, 12 minutes, and 59 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 48453653786.5 | Estimated Percent Change: -2.0077
mircea_popescu: oook there's some massive forkage going on
mircea_popescu: i see 352078 on some systems
mats: o.O
mircea_popescu: ah nm. i misread "next diff" block lol
mircea_popescu: still, the mempool is split or something.
mircea_popescu: i see subsets of dozens of otherwise well connected nodes not knowing of txn back and forth
mircea_popescu: actually, it seems to be resolving. that was a very spooky 5 minutes up there.
mircea_popescu: " Especially in Brazil where there are many scammers that exposes all of your personal life, and we know their real names, their documents etc." << aaaand this isn't indication that it really doesn't work ?
mircea_popescu: i mean i get it, this has become the surogate closure for the internet horde, "o no, here is his real name". mmmkay...
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100418 << if this works, the reputation was incorrectly trusted.
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 02:45:01; williamdunne: I'm not saying its a good idea, I just think its interesting as an idea
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100422 << yeah. that day being 2013 or w/e b-a went to +m eh.
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 02:45:36; trinque: maybe someday you must maintain over a certain rating to deal in certain spheres of influence
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100429 << quite. i suppose the trust <=> energy analogy is pretty good. trust is also in a very similar relation to sound money, ie, sure "people" (subhumans, really) can "create trust out of nothing". this is about as relevant to actual trust as freshly printed usd are to money.
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 02:46:21; asciilifeform: in much the same way, you cannot extract trustworthiness from the aether
mircea_popescu: in fact, the ability of a user to create pseudo-trust out of nothing, just like the "ability" of a perpetuum mobile to extract energy out of the void, just like the "ability" of a government to print money are the same thing, really : the degrading macula of subhumanity.
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 02:48:26; decimation: what's a jury trial other than having your wot judge your actions?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100440 << amusingly enough in japan jury trials were (and perhaps still to some degree are) very dimly regarded. people thought that someone willing to cast his fortune on the disinterested call of a dozen uninformed people rather than have a specialist handle it could not possibly have any sort of case.
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 02:49:23; decimation: some distant bureaucrat?
mircea_popescu: "the only reason you want the jury is because you hope to trick it with things a judge wouldn't fall for."
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100452 << they were also how salem witch trials happened. actually, their reliable idiocy is why no noble would have EVER considered either submitting to such a jury, or condemning another noble.
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 02:57:55; asciilifeform: medieval juries also did not concern themselves with day-to-day idiocies.
chetty: one of the good reasons for jury hasn't really been used ...nullification of bad law
mircea_popescu: actually the only useful function of a jury these days.
mircea_popescu: but see, the same people who can't be bothered to crypto anything... can't be bothered to nullify anything either. too much work.
mircea_popescu: and for that matter, imagine how the place looked after ows was done with it ? all the discarded packaging etc ? this was supposedly a group of civically-minded folks.
mircea_popescu: "tax the rich so you can clean up the mess we made! of this sidewalk and of our lives!"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00030098 = 3.0399 BTC [+]
williamdunne: not to mention that the jury almost always considers law over morality
mircea_popescu: but hey, it's emotionally cheaper for them.
williamdunne: It would be tragic if they had to do some thinking
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100467 << your motivations do not matter. not in this case, not in any other case.
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 03:26:21; felipelalli: ok, forget it.
mircea_popescu: williamdunne yes, it would be. it'd make it possible to be wrong, and then guilty. which is the main reason the law as a construct even exists : save people that.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100472 << well when you're done with that would you please move on to convincing ugly women to be beautiful instead ?
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 03:29:48; felipelalli: trinque: I know that. I am trying to convince the Brazilian community move to here, but it is being hard. The main community is still on Facebook.
mircea_popescu: i like the way this guy selects tasks for himself.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100481 << the solution is probably to move your day-to-day.
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 03:37:34; felipelalli: decimation: you're right. But would be so cool and useful if I really could use WoT to things in day to day and not only in dreams.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100488 << well, come to the conference next year, some people will know you.
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 03:38:54; felipelalli: decimation: yes, but no ones really knows me personally.
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 03:39:56; asciilifeform: methinks felipelalli is expressing the traditional frustration of the 3 to 6 month n00b to #b-a:
mircea_popescu: but i must say he's like the cutest one to date.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100504 << looky here, I have no doubt i could probably pass some "new bitcoin country" real estate scam or other. i do not wish to. this, deliberately, and upon consideration, and against what random idiot may interpret as my patrimonial interest.
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 03:41:48; asciilifeform: (if you want to be considered, my understanding is - be young and female)
mircea_popescu: i am simply not interested in that sort of centralisation. i also think it's stupid, and self-defeating, and in no way different from you know, making gossipd on windows vista.
mircea_popescu: yes, i may consider young females for education, but that is neither here nor there. i did that before bitcoin, for that matter.
mircea_popescu: since mats brought it up : yeah, currently people can't audit bitbet's reserves. this is unfortunate, but i'm not going to do anything about it.
mircea_popescu: auditing in bitcoin works like it works - sorta halfway.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.00029027 = 3.3526 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100530 << on which line, trinque you'd seriously shoot a burglar ? and i don't mean shoot them in the head, just, one to the kneecap for good measure. seems to me woefully excessive. the... only time i was in a situation of that nature the dudes beat the shit out of the guy and i thought it was excessive even for the time and place.
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 03:54:56; asciilifeform: trinque: we have (for the most part) burglars here, rather than robbers. they wait until owner is out.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100564 << you want it, you got it. vip treatment beotch!!1
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 04:06:20; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell chetty i'd be much obliged if you could procure me a phone and a sim - the cheapest that makes and receives calls will be more than adequate
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 04:08:26; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: confirmed for imaginationless except in regards to his own means of death
mircea_popescu: alf : he just wants to hook up with local whores from the convenience of his own home. internets ftw!
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100585 << but obama's main selling point is that he's tall and hansome. why ruin a beautiful thing ?
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 05:19:55; pete_dushenski: http://www.timesofisrael.com/is-supporters-post-cartoon-depicting-obama-beheading/ << and it looks like isis beat la serenissima to the punch!
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100590 << im not aware at any point the term meant cultured or wordly for anyone. perhaps as an insider thing, like people in daytime tv drama for young women seem to think this about themselves ?
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 05:24:05; pete_dushenski: no more does the term mean 'cultured' or 'worldly' it seems
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23050 @ 0.0002912 = 6.7122 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00029426 = 2.5601 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7698 @ 0.00030098 = 2.3169 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5550 @ 0.00030098 = 1.6704 BTC [+]
mats: 6:50:29 <+mircea_popescu> since mats brought it up : yeah, currently people can't audit bitbet's reserves. this is unfortunate, but i'm not going to do anything about it. << i was going a bit crazy auditing the code, thought id bungled it somehow
mircea_popescu: nah you're fine, kako verified it. from what can be seen publicly bitbet is short like 400 btc.
mircea_popescu: this is not actually true, but hey.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9164 @ 0.00028733 = 2.6331 BTC [-]
nubbins`: asciilifeform:mentioned that 'computers were stolen, no sign of break-in, perhaps insider' <<< alf, the lizards struck the wrong house! did you replace your locks?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu:i want to reconsider that about as much as windows user wants to compile from source. <<< i recall hearty lels when whatever chunk of windows source code came out
nubbins`: there was one comment in the code for notepad.exe: /* is this even supposed to be here? */
nubbins`: my sides
nubbins`: 30 years in the wild and the source code says "should this bit be here?"
nubbins`: mircea_popescu:he wasn't looking for any answer. he was trying to shoehorn disorganised remains of broken history into the future. as he keeps trying to do this he'll figure it out. <<< "you can't bribe the future with nostalgia"
nubbins`: <felipelalli> (general lels) <<< it's okay, you're still new
assbot: Founding Members | Women's Crypto Association ... ( http://bit.ly/1aqRItP )
nubbins`: my goodness, another gallippi
assbot: Tatiana Moroz | Women's Crypto Association ... ( http://bit.ly/1aqS0RE )
nubbins`: i clicked on that one so i could chuckle about why she's randomly holding a guitar
nubbins`: turns out i guess she can play it, but dat bio
nubbins`: i had to make sure i wasn't on womensguitarassociation.com
nubbins`: "Her latest projects consist of the creation of Tatiana Coin, the first ever artist cryptocurrency" WHAT ABOUT COINYE WEST?!
mircea_popescu: well as long as it's an association
mircea_popescu: low level scamming, "i'ma call this empty jar MONEY and wait for idiots to deposit".
nubbins`: "i always carry an empty cup, just in case"
nubbins`: i came across this website while trying to figure out why Ploshay's appearance is somewhat unsettling to me
nubbins`: still not sure i can pinpoint it... but have you ever met someone for whom photographs exist outside of time and space?
nubbins`: like, they just got their knee kicked out by an angry horse, but if a lens swivelled their way, they'd muster up a winning smile?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ... looky here, I have no doubt i could probably pass some "new bitcoin country" real estate scam or other. i do not wish to. this, deliberately, and upon consideration, and against what random idiot may interpret as my patrimonial interest. << leads into the mega-question - what is the opposite of a real estate scam? or is this like the maxwellian hypothetical 'monopole magnet', where you have a mystery alien
asciilifeform: meat with no opposite ?
mircea_popescu: how do you mean ?
mats: fwiw the MIT undergrad exhibit was horrible
mats: soo many flying machines reliant on arduinos and other garbage
mats: how did people make flying machines before hobbyist boards?! nobody knows.
mircea_popescu: mats but i thought you said ?
mats: i didn't deny that there are showmen, or even hordes of them, there
mircea_popescu: o no wait it wasn't you, some other guy was making dire warnings about how teligent mit is
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: meant something like a 'mircea_popescu as stalin' scenario
asciilifeform: with actual nuclear sovereignty over some geography or other
mircea_popescu: but why would you want this ?
asciilifeform: (meant as 'opposite of real estate scam')
mircea_popescu: haven't we gone through enough of that ?
mircea_popescu: no wait, make a full sentence, i have no idea what you're saying.
asciilifeform wonders what mircea_popescu would do if put in command of the red army. imagines that he would order it to disperse, with no more than one man per square km, and operate only as saboteur groups.
asciilifeform: there is such a thing as physical resources that are 1) concentrated spatially and 2) too unique to hijack like a vine hijacks tree.
asciilifeform: example - semiconductor plant
asciilifeform: (yes, aware that we had the 'semiconductor cuckoldry' discussion. it is nonsense if you are contemplating making something genuinely unique)
adlai: !s beam
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adlai: not quite. mats, familiar with "BEAM" robotics?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well in the abstract it is dificult to evaluate. what exactly would be the task fo this red army ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: whichever. let's say defeat germany3.
adlai: "uses simple analogue circuits, such as comparators, instead of a microprocessor in order to produce an unusually simple design"
mats: vaguely so, yes
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you appreciate how the task to defeat germany3 is quite different from what we're doing here ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm not entirely sold on this being so
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mircea_popescu: i personally can't quite see how i'd manage to motivate myself to participate in yet another "we good they bad fight for great justic!!1" conflict.
mircea_popescu: just how stupid am i supposed to be ?
mircea_popescu: what's next, passport-based uniwot ?
adlai: as stupid as possible, but no stupider
mircea_popescu: no but srsly, 4chan and the internets have blown what looks like a permanent hole in the sort of deffective mental processes that are required for "patriotism" or whatever the pink-bellied shit involved in wwX was.
mircea_popescu: wouldn't you feel altogether silly doing it ?
adlai: oh, i'm pretty sure that trench chatter was blowing gaping holes in patriotism for longer than trenches have been cool
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the fact is, not everyone has the biography, talents, and education of a self-funding deep-cover operative; and physical sovereignty has its uses. it would not take very many 'don dunphy'ings to make #b-a very empty other than for mircea_popescu..
adlai: the trouble there is that you need to first have & enter trenches, for such chatter to happen
adlai: leading to boom-and-bust cycles of patriotism... clearly, we need to regulate statism.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im quite unconvinced of the latter. and the former reduces to... what exactly, "not everyone has the biography and talents of a computer user, windows plox" ?
asciilifeform: adlai, mircea_popescu: 'patriotism' etc is a human plankton concept
mircea_popescu: adlai your humour amused us.
adlai will be here all week
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly.
asciilifeform: pointing out that nothing we could do, foolish or clever, could ever resolve to it.
mircea_popescu: except we don't really participate in plankton whatever.
asciilifeform: well yes
mircea_popescu: be it computering or politicing or what may it be
mircea_popescu: i mean i guess, if one feels so entertained.
asciilifeform: i must disagree with the notion that defending a spot of geography, small and purposeful, is inescapably retarded.
asciilifeform: i can see the perspective that 'two or more #b-a folks in a room is a target' but by that logic we ought not have conferences, no ?
adlai: yet you'd disperse the red army? sure, disperse the offense, but how do you defend geography with individual saboteurs everywhere?
asciilifeform: adlai: mircea_popescu does not appear to be interested in defending anything (other than own house)
mircea_popescu: what exactly is the point of defending anything ?
asciilifeform: but even from the standpoint of 'i only wish to destroy the lizards' it does not make sense to disperse into atomized diversantes
nubbins`: wait, so now you don't need cruise missiles or w/e?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's that azn fighting style where you don't particularly give a shit ?
asciilifeform: nubbins`: in mircea_popescu's world, as i understand, every soldier is naked but for his parachute, and ought to take what he needs from the locals
adlai: well, there's defending the self, and there's defending increasingly expanded notions of "self", until it morphes into yet another "sovereign"
mircea_popescu: just wait patiently while oponent kicks himself against everything in sight ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'ju-jitsu' ?
mircea_popescu: w/e it may be.
mircea_popescu: i think they're all essentially that in the end.
adlai: jiu-jitsu is actually quite interesting
adlai: it's focused on working against your opponent's anatomy
asciilifeform: but real armies - even asian armies - do not fight this way.
adlai: bullets?
nubbins`: no active conflict?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform REAL PROGRAMMERS DO NOT LISP LAWL YOUR ARGUMENTES INVLEAD!
nubbins`: (s.korean soldiers -- all of them -- have blackbelt in taekwondo. to what end?)
asciilifeform: iraq, afghan have very seriously perverted military thinking
adlai: "These techniques were developed around the principle of using an attacker's energy against him, rather than directly opposing it."
asciilifeform: yes, mujahedeen don't hold territory, etc. BUT THEY DON'T NEED TO BUILD FACTORIES
asciilifeform: they are supplied externally by mega-empire(s)
nubbins`: not yet, anyway.
mircea_popescu: i recall this point where some derpy agent swore before the court he used excel spreadsheets to rape a db
mircea_popescu: heck, he probably did.
asciilifeform: it is not a closed system, to use thermodynamic parlance
asciilifeform: and cannot be compared to closed system
nubbins`: asciilifeform this is like saying kittens don't need to learn how to kill
nubbins`: because they're supplied externally by teat
asciilifeform: nubbins`: the partizan armies of iraq, afghan, etc. are like zoo cats
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you can build all your factories you want once the idiot in the room (made out of a bunch of idiots glued to each other) is dead.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i haven't even envisioned solution to the problem of escaping the event horizon of the black hole resulting from the idiot's implosion
asciilifeform: much less really contemplated factories
asciilifeform: nor am i entirely certain that i'm not one of the folks glued together
mircea_popescu: ok so then.
nubbins`: you don't always realize who you're glued to until the water gets above a certain level
asciilifeform: nubbins`: share the lsd ?
nubbins`: asciilifeform if i can navigate the dark markets, so can you!
asciilifeform: we salt mine folk know who we're glued to.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: no.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform moreovber, you know, resolving problems that are clearly past what you probably correctly call an event horizon is an exercise in derpitude.
adlai: water dissolves glue (at least, the cheap icky "white glue" stuff); ie, say asciilifeform is part of the glued idiot mass... as it begins to implode/dissolve/etc, folks find themselves increasingly less glued
nubbins`: twist: your across-the-street-neighbour did same
nubbins`: the cheap icky you're referring to is PVA
nubbins`: and i'd advance that water does not dissolve it
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asciilifeform: nubbins`: i'd like to hear honest take from you, on this matter. would you say that the 20 years i spent learning to do what i do, since was a boy, a waste, like career of a bureaucrat? or does serenissima world have some use for the type of thing that i do.
nubbins`: the prize for "most interesting line of work about which we know almost nothing" goes to...
asciilifeform: or should i requalify as printing press mechanic, or what
nubbins`: asciilifeform an honest take will require a bit of time, but if you've got the ears...
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mircea_popescu: lol what're you asking him for!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: because nubbins` has this incomplete thread with me, re: 'you too can learn to be me'
asciilifeform: i'd like to see the logical end for it
mircea_popescu: there's a very simple heuristic to evaluate whether you're currently developing or whether you historically developped skills teh most serene republic has a need of.
mircea_popescu: this does not involve finding the officer of serenissima hr.
nubbins`: asciilifeform you won't get me to admit that learning things is a waste. so the facile reply is a flat-out no
mircea_popescu: it involves an answer to the very simple q : "can you do something with it ?"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was a philosophical question
mircea_popescu: if the answer's no, then you've got yourself a social study. if the answer's yes, more power to ya.
nubbins`: the slightly less saucy reply is that you didn't learn "to do x", you learned "how to learn"
nubbins`: which puts you (a) far ahead of most of the pack and (b) in a position to, y'know... walk away and start over whenever you like
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the long-term question is 'can i do something with it and continue to eat.' if fiat world turns sufficiently hostile, the answer, simply based on my pre-existing work here, may be a 'no.'
adlai: the highest bidder's exit from the auction, for reasons ranging from death to bankruptcy, doesn't mean that others aren't waiting to take his place
mircea_popescu: yes, but the fictitious game of "may be" is by definition going to provide any anwer you seek.
mircea_popescu: without that, there'd be no literature.
adlai: if you're worried about getting killed because you know too much... that's your problem, for agreeing to hear too much
asciilifeform: adlai: everyone who reads the log, 'knows too much'
asciilifeform: including the ninjasp4mz0rz
nubbins`: i'd also advance the opinion that one does not know quite how much one can change until one is forced to do so. while this may seem incredibly foolhardy (so much so that most people never try it), walking away with a zippo tossed over shoulder is the only way to find out.
asciilifeform: it is not why anyone gets the gasenwagen
asciilifeform: nubbins`: again the lsd
nubbins` sighs
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sadly he has a point.
nubbins`: salary time
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: his point, so far as i can surmise, is 'be theoretical physicist'
nubbins`: wat.
asciilifeform: welcome to being the greeks, who had spiffy thought but no engineering to speak of.
nubbins`: my point is if you don't like riding in the clown car, get out and walk (again the lsd!)
asciilifeform: nubbins`: walking away with a zippo tossed over shoulder is the only way to find out.
asciilifeform: did i misunderstand the implication
asciilifeform: nubbins`: walk where?
nubbins`: into your new life
asciilifeform: not enough lsd here
asciilifeform: to comprehend what nubbins` meant.
nubbins`: so in august 2012, i was promoted from "programmer/analyst" to "senior programmer/analyst"
mircea_popescu: im starting to understand why religion is such a big deal. it's not that it makes any sense, it's that it provides answers to "fundamental questions of life"
mircea_popescu: nonsense such as "walk where"
adlai: "opiate of the masses" is not a diss
nubbins`: great stuff, top kek. 25% discount on my home and car insurance. $500/year "wellness benefit" for new running shoes. full health and dental.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i wasn't expecting an answer. hence answer 'not enough lsd'
nubbins`: this came with the "huge" salary of $61,000 per annum
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the exhortation to walk is the l0l here
nubbins`: precisely six months after this promotion, i tendered my resignation
mircea_popescu: im not sure i see why.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform consider the ancient discussion with TaT re women. "do you like her ? if not, get rid of her"
nubbins`: and opted for a job with an annual salary of (checking records...) about $6,000
mircea_popescu: the answer in his head, prolly, was "to be replaced with what"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: implies a woman-generator that will produce replacement
mircea_popescu: that's how women think, srsly.
mircea_popescu: cuz 598986907 years ago, hunter went into the forest, whereas woman only moved fat butt from current bush she plucked once someone found a new bush
adlai: nubbins` seems content to swim, or clutch driftwood, after taking the hatchet to his yacht
nubbins`: now, at this point, i'd like to take the opportunity to inquire as to what the general consensus is, among those present, regarding my intelligence, wisdom, and overall sensibility
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is more like exhortation, to downed pilot in desert, 'throw out that stale water in your flask'
nubbins`: as it's presented
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so it is.
asciilifeform: adlai has it
mircea_popescu: nubbins` discussions on teh side of the pool.
nubbins`: adlai what can you do that i can't?
asciilifeform: nubbins`: you did mention a paid-up house. so whatever the intelligence and wisdom, nubbins` is rich
adlai: see your name highlighted when you type mine
asciilifeform: and gets to think rich man thoughts
nubbins`: paid-up? the bank owns this house, buddy
nubbins`: $190k outstanding
adlai: so your driftwood is tied to the megasteamer
asciilifeform recalls a thread where nubbins` spoke of having some sort of actual assets to his name
adlai: watch out for icebergs and malfunctioning gps!
nubbins`: $190 death-pledge and i chose $6k/yr over $61k/yr
nubbins`: <+nubbins`> now, at this point, i'd like to take the opportunity to inquire as to what the general consensus is, among those present, regarding my intelligence, wisdom, and overall sensibility
nubbins`: ^ srsly, don't hold back
asciilifeform would love to continue, but has to go mine some salt now.
adlai also holds Bias in high esteem
nubbins`: asciilifeform my greatest asset is my willingness to toss zippos over shoulders
nubbins`: certainly more valuable than w/e stacks of btc, w/e piles of printing equipment, w/e meatwot
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mircea_popescu: nubbins` honestly i thought you were kinda dumb for the entire interval, but in a reserved sort of way.
nubbins`: you may be thinking of the time where i went on about how little money i need to make in order to get by
nubbins`: mircea_popescu aw shucks
mircea_popescu: which then paid off when you went and fucked with installing pogoshits
mircea_popescu: which should explain why people don't particularly wanna say anything on the topic. how the hell does one even know ?
nubbins`: how indeed
mircea_popescu: so stop asking the esteemed channel trick questionz.
nubbins`: man.
nubbins`: question was "how do i stop giving rimjob to the man"
nubbins`: i reply "take your tongue out of his ass" and people think i'm being all flippant.
mircea_popescu: so listen, i was once with like half a dozen teensy chicks by the side of a pool, and some were in the water and some were on the chairs.
mircea_popescu: and they had this conversation which went on for a while.
nubbins` pulls up a chair
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mircea_popescu: nubbins` all about how and why would one go in the water, whether there's breathing, ample considerations.
mircea_popescu: (yes this has been a teasy metaphore)
nubbins`: so far
nubbins`: let me guess, all the ones who jumped in the pool drowned?
mircea_popescu: hey, i used to write great novels, but then i got promoted and now im doing 6 teasy metaphores an hour!
mircea_popescu: no dude. they kept talking indefinitely. it's a way to pass the time.
nubbins`: alf ^ imagine.
mircea_popescu: how is discussion supposed to spur action ?
nubbins`: actually unable to tell if that's a srs question.
adlai: actually unable to tell if anybody here understands latin anymore
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: by being persuasive ?
mircea_popescu: adlai no, i'm aware of teh quote.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski being persuasive is like being tasteful. not a property of the painting.
nubbins`: "The need to assemble is as constant among humans as the necessity of making decisions is rare. Assembling corresponds to the joy of feeling a common power. Decisions are vital only in emergency situations, where the exercise of democracy is already compromised. The rest of the time, “the democratic character of decision making” is only a problem for the fanatics of process. It’s not a matter of critiquing assemblies or abandoning them,
nubbins`: but of liberating the speech, gestures, and interplay of beings that take place within them. We just have to see that each person comes to an assembly not only with a point of view or a motion, but with desires, attachments, capacities, forces, sadnesses and a certain disposition toward others, an openness. If we manage to set aside the fantasy of the General Assembly and replace it with an assembly of presences, if we manage to foil the
nubbins`: constantly renewed temptation of hegemony, if we stop making the decision our final aim, then there is a chance for a kind of massification, one of those moments of collective crystallization where a decision suddenly takes hold of beings, completely or only in part."
nubbins`: woops, sry
adlai: well it's more towards nubbins` who seems to have trouble getting across what was said quite aptly millenia ago
mircea_popescu: mebbe he doesn't like it.
nubbins`: adlai break it down into one-syllable words for dumb ol' me.
adlai: "all my shit be in my head"
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: aha. more a property of the observer
adlai: but srsly, read the links. it's a one paragraph story
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski if someone's ready to i dunno, buy a new car, then he has specific questions which a forum might answer, and he's buying cart with our without forum. so forum didn't DO anything.
mircea_popescu: if dude's not ready to buy nw car, he may talk of whatever with whoever, still no car. so forum didn';t DO anything.
mircea_popescu: forums are not venues of action.
mircea_popescu: which is just another way of saying that "talking about bitcoin doesn't make you part of bitcoin"
pete_dushenski: but nor are forums the only, well, forum for discussion
nubbins`: adlai if all your goods that matter aren't with you, when you stand naked and alone, then you're in a pretty bad way.
mircea_popescu: which is important because "being in bitcoin country" does not anymore "make you bitcoiner
mircea_popescu: which is what i was talking about throughout.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: this channel could be considered a forum
pete_dushenski: and it most certainly stimulates action, no ?
adlai: sure, and log.b-a can be considered a tapestry of threads
nubbins`: pete_dushenski again:
nubbins`: "If we manage to set aside the fantasy of the General Assembly and replace it with an assembly of presences, if we manage to foil the constantly renewed temptation of hegemony, if we stop making the decision our final aim, then there is a chance for a kind of massification, one of those moments of collective crystallization where a decision suddenly takes hold of beings, completely or only in part."
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski no.
nubbins`: one day, in the distant future, i'll say something to alf and it'll make all what i have previously said fall into place
nubbins`: or not. who knows.
nubbins`: "discussion" doesn't lead to action, it leads to puzzle pieces being shuffled around in your head
adlai thinks the issue at hand relates more to basic axioms arising from one's own life, rather than words
nubbins`: this can be useful or useless, depending on the situation, the person...
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: how not ? how many pogo purchases and gnupg downloads have resulted from time spent here ?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` to the degree that one's action is prevented by organised debris in his head, then this process may clear a path he can finally act upon
mircea_popescu: but i still think it's at best wrong to imagine "the discussion did it"
adlai: nubbins`: well you can have all the right puzzle pieces on the table, yet not see the picture
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski i just don't credit that "resulted".
nubbins`: mircea_popescu sure, agreed.
nubbins`: put another way, nothing i say will make alf walk away
nubbins`: but perhaps things i say will clear his mental path a bit more
nubbins`: the only thing that'll make alf walk away is alf
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: perhaps i'm ascribing too much causation to correlations
nubbins`: but again
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nubbins`: i owe the bank $190,000 and i made $6,000 in 2013
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski i mean they also happened in daytime, you know, cause the shops are closed at night. so daytime causes it ? meh.
nubbins`: and i spend my days not holding my nose to the grindstone, but dicking around on irc and puttering in my basement
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: ya how does that actually work financially ?
nubbins`: and i sleep the sleep of the just.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski he sells used chicken fingers to make up the diff.
nubbins`: oh ho
pete_dushenski: best plum sauce
nubbins`: pete_dushenski how it works is that you realize what you need and don't need to get by
adlai: not all of us need mercedeses!
nubbins`: if you have 25 pairs of red shoes and nowhere to put them, maybe a shoe rack isn't the right answer?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` how much is teh interest on that 200k ?
pete_dushenski: adlai: says you !
nubbins`: mircea_popescu i pay off about $5k principal and $9k interest per annum
nubbins`: 5-year term's up next summer so i'll prolly pop a couple tens of k down on the principal then
mircea_popescu: what if wife takes a lover ?
nubbins`: so be it
mircea_popescu: no but i mean in terms of teh payoff.
nubbins`: (as if there's a better man than me out there)
nubbins`: mircea_popescu same.
mircea_popescu: alf will be pissed.
nubbins`: monthly mortgage payment is ~$1200
mircea_popescu: "oh i just pay 20k out of my 6k a year. problem ?!?!?!"
nubbins`: !s roomie
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nubbins`: p and i, combined, contribute about $500/mo to keep this place going
mircea_popescu: i dun think he wants that.
nubbins`: he 100% does not
nubbins`: but i'll note that this is a problem with alf, not with walking away
mircea_popescu: anyway, fwiw i suppose your situation is exactly typical of "the civilised world".
nubbins`: what, floating along without a care for tomorrow? :D
mircea_popescu: on average, if you average them, per capita debt about 1k, per capita income about 5k, hopefully there isn't a fire.
mircea_popescu: s/1k/100k/
nubbins`: you guys don't have fire insurance in b-a?
adlai also wonders wo what degree nubbins` has "gone galt", perhaps without being consciously aware of the concept
mircea_popescu: not everything's insurable nubbins`. specifically : insurance works for individuals. i was discussing the country/western world.
nubbins`: adlai i gave up on atlas shrugged after several hundred pages because it was a piece of shit, indulge me will ya?
mircea_popescu: if there IS a fire, nobody can insure the whole shebang.
nubbins`: if there's a fire that big, house insurance will be the least of your worries
mircea_popescu: nubbins` it's when you stop contributing to an idiotic community and just keep for yourself.
adlai: and includes reducing your quality of life, since you reach diminishing returns as you try to increase it
mircea_popescu: kinda how the soviets failed, people went "eh why bother, they gotta pay me anyway, and i don't make anything out of iteither way"
nubbins`: my quality of life has steadily increased since walking away
mircea_popescu: using the same metrics ?
nubbins`: the only ones that matter, yep
mircea_popescu: "my own evaluation of variable x has changed as my measurement standards changed"
nubbins`: heh.
adlai: dropping meaningless metrics is the easiest way to increase quality of life
adlai is not using "meaningless" ironically, but... subjectively
pete_dushenski: "my penis has never been bigger!"
nubbins`: mircea_popescu guess how much money i saved per year while making $61k
mircea_popescu: well in that manner, becoming a slave is the easiest way to increase quality of life.
mircea_popescu: you've never seen people that happy.
adlai: cf dogs
adlai: or all animals being cared for by humans, outside of labs
adlai: (or zoos)
nubbins`: what do i need money for? buy a volkswagen?
mircea_popescu: because humans aren't animals.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` alf likes gadgets.
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: guessing that 61k is pre-tax, i'll guess 20k savings. i'm guessing you've got skill in this saving domain.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu so do i, but i also like not wanting to fucking kill myself every day
mircea_popescu: yes, but that's what he means by "theoretical physicist"
nubbins`: pete_dushenski closer to $0k per year
adlai: tangentially related: though increasing the font size of my console has reduced the number of characters on my screen, it has greatly increased my quality-of-reading
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: lolk
mircea_popescu: adlai did b-a spur you to this action ? :D
pete_dushenski: so much for that theory
nubbins`: pete_dushenski implication being that all that extra money *almost* bought happiness
nubbins`: you know when i was an office-man, i'd struggle whether to get out of bed every. single. morning.
adlai: mircea_popescu: actually a control-typo triggered it, and i decided to learn from the happy accident :)
mircea_popescu: see pete_dushenski ? we got nothing.
nubbins`: i once took a week's vacation because i couldn't be fucked to show up on a monday... or a tuesday
nubbins`: this is not sustainable
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you know, just because your job sucked doesn't mean work sucks.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: it's all those sunrises that caused it !
nubbins`: mircea_popescu agreed. i still work (from time to time), and it doesn't suck at all
nubbins`: i wake up with a smile every day and go to bed w/ same
adlai: don't worry, the typo was only due to furious typing trying to keep up with the wordcount
mircea_popescu: doesn't it get boring ?
nubbins`: not at all. the world's my oyster.
pete_dushenski: heya funkenstein_ your comment has been replied to :)
nubbins`: boring people get bored.
funkenstein_: cool i go to check it
nubbins`: if i worked in a cubicle, the last thing i would do is buy a pogo and mess with it
funkenstein_: you guys are on fire today :)
nubbins`: i'd be too busy drinking
lobbes: nubbins', your example leaving your 61k job is validating my similar decision to eventually leave my new job for something less lucrative but more sane
lobbes: I thought I was crazy (maybe still am)
nubbins`: lobbes truly foolhardy is the man to whom i serve as an example
lobbes: ha
mircea_popescu: "this could not possibly be a dumb idea - look! others are doing it too!"
lobbes: well I don't plan to cling to driftwood
nubbins`: heh.
lobbes: just downshift a bit ;)
nubbins`: mircea_popescu are you talking about working in an office? 8)
mircea_popescu: nubbins` or body mods or w/e.
nubbins`: slow clap
mircea_popescu: but no, i was talking about his line above.
nubbins`: lobbes even the stupidest ideas will find support on the interwebs
nubbins`: i'm serious: <+nubbins`> lobbes truly foolhardy is the man to whom i serve as an example
mircea_popescu: kinda why the interwebs are so popular with "the people"
lobbes: again, I'm not talking $61 to $6 here, rather 85 to maybe 58
lobbes: so perhaps not the same at all
mircea_popescu: lobbes you're not being personally criticized yo. you don't like it, get rid of it.
lobbes: well, I wouldn't be offended if I was being criticized. Rather, that's why I like it here
nubbins`: trappings of happiness vs happiness
lobbes: but yes
nubbins`: "but with 61k/yr i can buy all these trappings!"
mircea_popescu realised he has nfi what his income is.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu join the club
nubbins`: maybe at conference XIII you, me and alf can compare grey hairs
mircea_popescu: my beard's got some kickass white going
nubbins`: my body is a patchwork, beard happens to be reddish
mircea_popescu: "my body is my patchwork ~nubbins"
nubbins`: who needs $61k with a body like this?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: well there's some fiat aspect to your income that's reported, no ?
mircea_popescu: you should see these retards btw.
mircea_popescu: according to argentinian head, 200k barely buys you a cramped 500sqft apt.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski in like 5 jurisdictions by various people who know their job.
nubbins`: i got four floors of house for not much more than that
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: aha. naturally
nubbins`: but hey, apples to oranges
mircea_popescu: nubbins` how so ? house is house.
nubbins`: in the20yearslumland, i could prolly buy a city block for that
mircea_popescu: i srsly do not see ANY merit to this "location" bs.
mats: hmm... Egyptian state planners have a grandiose infrastructure plan to spend $43bn on power generation, $21bn on upstream oil and gas, and $45bn on a new capital
nubbins`: someone does, otherwise this house'd cost $30k and the slum in ohio'd cost $220
nubbins`: mats those are some big imaginary numbers
assbot: Going Galt - RationalWiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1IIm1eF )
nubbins`: adlai FWIW i pay taxes
nubbins`: dirty, filthy taxes
adlai: well the point of "going galt" is tax optimization through productivity reduction rather than fund-shuffling
nubbins`: i'm much more productive than i was while working an office job.
adlai: productivity as measured by the collector
nubbins`: ("but nubs, you sit around on irc all day" ...think about that)
nubbins`: adlai so salary is the word, then?
nubbins`: 'cause you don't get taxed based on how hard you work up here in canada.
adlai: aiui, which is only from the internet as i don't physically live in libertardia, this meme was mainly coined by/for business owners reducing their business's "salary"
nubbins`: sounds like a fucking wank fest
adlai: ie, "my company could sell $300k on the open market, but then it would be in a higher corporate tax bracket, so we'll only sell $200k of widgets"
nubbins`: i didn't quit 9-5 because i wanted to stick it to the tax man. i quit it because it sucked and it was killing me.
adlai: then the market price for widgets rises due to lack of supply, and company finds itself with sales totalling $251k
adlai: mentsh trakht, market lakht
nubbins`: but hey, the thing that sucks and kills you *does* give you the money to buy toys
nubbins`: so there's that
nubbins`: maybe once you get enough toys it'll be a fair trade.
mircea_popescu: adlai i always understood it as the much more subtle "well im on the football team now, why hassle to score goals. hassle to prevent anyone from scoring more than me".
mircea_popescu: going galt = what happens to a bureaucracy.
adlai: mircea_popescu: no, that's the goal-withholding attack!
nubbins`: didn't the galt idiots blow up some train tracks or smth?
nubbins` blocked most of what he read from memory
nubbins`: on account of it being such a piece of shit
adlai hasn't actually read the book, didn't even crack the cover
funkenstein_ also
nubbins`: adlai don't
adlai: anthem is precisely the correct dose of ayn rand for a healthy brain
adlai: finishable in one shitting
adlai: !s anthem
assbot: 33 results for 'anthem' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=anthem
assbot: Logged on 31-10-2014 18:13:19; adlai: http://www.pagebypagebooks.com/Ayn_Rand/Anthem/
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nubbins`: almost certainly will not read
funkenstein_ almost certainly will
mats is busy working through "The Misbehavior of Markets"
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adlai: "A Fractal View of Financial Turbulence"?
adlai: blessed art thou, ocr operator; though you skimped on the index, grep is also nice and will suffice: https://is.muni.cz/el/1456/podzim2013/MPM_FIM2/The_Misbehavior_of_Markets.pdf
mats: "A Fractal View of Risk, Ruin, and Reward"
adlai: yeah dunno why amazon choose to reword that
adlai: mats: thank you for the link, the author may be one of the only people (other than personified Failure) able to dissuade me
adlai: "Thus, reading this volume will not make you rich. But it will make you wiser—and may thereby save you from getting poorer.
mats: its nice to be thanked for stuff i didn't do
fluffypony: so I'm going to the Bitcoin Africa conference on Thursday
assbot: Door tix @ Bitcoin Africa conference: "only cash will be accepted". Bitcoin...you're doing it wrong! /hashtag/BitcoinAfrica15?src=hash http://t.co/G66vzo8Etz
mats: why would you soil yourself by association with the likely demographic of con-goers?
fluffypony: mats: because it's the first one in ZA, I'm going to be in Cape Town anyway, and Micah Winkelspecht is talking
fluffypony: (wink on Github)
fluffypony: who I hope will at least be a little interesting
mats: not sure how i feel about hardware security modules and wallets
mats: especially FIPS* anything
mircea_popescu: fluffypony wanna qntra ?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: definitely afterwards, don't have enough to say about it now
fluffypony: except that it looks like they're retarded
mircea_popescu: well that's kinda par for the course.
fluffypony: quite
nubbins`: hrm.
nubbins`: i'm always suspicious when Canada Post sends me an "item delivered" email and the mailbox is empty
nubbins`: AND TWINS MAKE FIVE
nubbins`: too bad it's the kinda dumb guy buying all these, huh ;/
pete_dushenski: those torn boxes!
pete_dushenski now wondering from whence mircea_popescu derives fiat profit in 5 jurisdictions to keep tax lawyers and accountants busy
pete_dushenski: mats: ah yes, mandelbrot. classic book, that.
nubbins`: mandelbrot et al did much to form my perceptions of the world
nubbins`: pete_dushenski inorite? sold as "used", guessing they're either (a) returns or (b) just damaged packaging and unsuitable for shelf
pete_dushenski: benoit's definitely in the taleb vein, or perhaps vice versa
nubbins`: shame i don't have time to play with these pogos til next week
nubbins`: itching to throw that static bitcoind build onto one w/ an ssd
pete_dushenski: in taleb's books, he often refers to his long, slow walks with mandelbrot, and how the old man is the only one who will walk slowly enough to properly meditate with
nubbins`: rozal that was the most inept display of cloaking i've ever seen
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: oh you're busy nao ? what happened to mr. man of leisure of twodogslandia ?
nubbins`: he's taking a four-day vacation out of the country.
nubbins`: imagine?
nubbins`: nice try tho ;/
pete_dushenski: ah, you're also going to c3 ?
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nubbins`: naw.
nubbins`: taking in a couple shows
nubbins`: three-day vacation really
nubbins`: longer trips don't suffice for the man of leisure
nubbins`: (protip: get yourself a flight rewards credit card /before/ you quit your office job. they only check your annual salary when you first sign up)
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: how is it that longer trips don't suffice ? suffice for what ?
nubbins`: pete_dushenski you traveled much?
nubbins`: what sorta travel, mostly resorts or "real"?
pete_dushenski: "real" man
nubbins`: ever get... tired?
pete_dushenski: quite often after the first week or so.
nubbins`: this is precisely the reason
nubbins`: everyone who travels has a point at which they become tired. for some, this is 6mos. for others, 1mo.
pete_dushenski: but if you can make it past "tired" there's always more to explore and experience
nubbins`: 100% agreed
nubbins`: i made it several months into "tired" before i abandoned s.k.
pete_dushenski: so sure, i get tired, but it doesn't send me home, just makes me want to be productive while i'm away
pete_dushenski: so i bring a laptop
funkenstein_: ;;later tell mod6 some 0.5.3.1 info http://dpaste.com/0EK6PYX
assbot: dpaste: 0EK6PYX ... ( http://bit.ly/1IIvdzA )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
nubbins`: you do not!
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nubbins`: anyway, this trip is more of an indulgence than most
nubbins`: i usually aim for at least a week or two
pete_dushenski: lol of course i bring a laptop, what is this 1994 ?
funkenstein_: we are always travelling on spaceship earth
funkenstein_: but yeah bases are useful
pete_dushenski: there are always logs to read, travel stories to share on contravex, emails to send.
nubbins`: but... print shops are busy in the summer, so if i wanna go somewhere, it's best to go in the spring... and it turns out three of my favourite musical acts were playing back-to-back nights in cleveland
nubbins`: pete_dushenski i bring a smartphone instead of a laptop precisely to limit my tech usage
nubbins`: which btw i pronounce "usagi" in my head occasionally, thanks bitcoin!
pete_dushenski: i'm pretty sure smartphones increase 'tech usage' while decreasing productivity
pete_dushenski: this is precisely contra my aim in bringing a laptop
nubbins`: pete_dushenski not if you keep it on silent and in your pocket, instead of obsessively "checking" it.
nubbins`: pete_dushenski sounds like we use different methods to achieve same result
pete_dushenski: mas o menos, ya
pete_dushenski: so you're seeing usagi in cleveland or what ?
nubbins`: haha nah
nubbins`: i am, however, seeing Lightning Bolt, Sufjan Stevens, and METZ
nubbins`: which... o/
nubbins`: self-highfive
pete_dushenski: lol can't say i've ever heard of any of them
pete_dushenski: but i'm not as cultured and worldly as i think i am. just a soap opera star!
mircea_popescu: puella ludens is notbad a name.
mircea_popescu: and here i thought twtelecom went under.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: nubbins`: but i'll note that this is a problem with alf, not with walking away << i've noticed that even you have exhausted your patience with the bipedal rabid dog in your home...
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i guess ascii_field has telecom reviving AND self-upping magical powers
ascii_field: whereas i have zero patience with the very concept of having the very smell of a rabid dog in my home.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field ok, but you know... kinda hard to herd a herd if you're so olfactorily intolerant
mircea_popescu: teh ancient egyptians slept in the barn eh ?
ascii_field: why do i want to herd anything
ascii_field: tajikistan also sleeps in the barn
mircea_popescu: well what do you want to, spherical chicken in vacuum ?
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ascii_field: as does every goatfuckistan still extant on planet 3
ascii_field: i am not a creature of goatfuckistan
ascii_field: you gotta grow up with it.
mircea_popescu: still, "hard to herd a herd"... you heard it here first
ascii_field: nubbins`: if i worked in a cubicle, the last thing i would do is buy a pogo and mess with it << what did you buy and play with instead? a nagant, testing how it feels in the mouth, as in mircea_popescu's 'dulap' story ?
adlai: fwiw, according to diamod, sleeping in barns (or herding in the home) is the only reason we're not all dead of smallpox
mircea_popescu: adlai among other things.
ascii_field: adlai: by this logic, eating raw bear meat is the only reason 'we' aren't all dead of starvation, etc.
adlai: smallpox faded to obscurity long before we learned how to wage proper interkingdom war
mircea_popescu: ascii_field you ever had bear btw ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i am told that i did, but methinks it was a fraud
mircea_popescu: kinda gamey, like a pig that grew up thinking it's pheasant ?
ascii_field: that's precisely what it tasted like
ascii_field: so perhaps yes, bear.
mircea_popescu: no fraud there.
ascii_field was convinced that his 'bear' had a snout, ate from a trough
adlai: in the idf, if bread sits on the shelf next to canned spam for long enough...
mircea_popescu: kinda same metabolism.
mircea_popescu: we, bears, pigs...
mircea_popescu: hedgehogs
ascii_field: omnivores 'are what they eat' newsateleven
adlai: long pig, short pig, red pig, blue pig?
ascii_field: 'the longest pig'
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pete_dushenski: adlai: now why would spam be in the idf in the first place ?
pete_dushenski: pork, neh ?
mircea_popescu: maybe they have special hoover-pigs
mircea_popescu: no hooves.
assbot: Spam (food) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1IIybnH )
pete_dushenski: "tails and assholes" as my dad used to call spam
ascii_field: hey, if prismoidal watermelons...
ascii_field: why not pig.
adlai: "Also, a kosher variant of Spam, known as Loof (Hebrew: לוף‎, a Hebrew linguistic play on meatloaf), was produced by Richard Levi, and mostly used as part of field rations by the Israel Defense Forces."
adlai: "and was finally removed from rations when production ceased in 2009." LOL
adlai: these things keep forever
adlai: removed from rations... now that's my laugh for the day
mircea_popescu: dude, it's the wikipedia. it's right!
adlai: oh but it officially is removed from rations
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: it's the lack of cud chewing, not the hooves that makes pigs unkosher
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i srsly do not see ANY merit to this "location" bs << one of us is carrying suitcase of $gadgets to the other. that's -location-, l0l.
mod6: funkenstein_: thanks for the info.
pete_dushenski: i recently learned that ostrich and 'hares' (presumably rabbits too?) are also not kosher
pete_dushenski: this was news to me.
ascii_field: 'Going Galt' << somehow everybody forgets that the character in the book had a fucking -invisibility machine- hiding his fort
adlai: in basic training, when random MREs had loof, the sergeant gave us this big lecture about how it'd been "removed from the war-waging bible" (literal translation), and we'd probably never see it again
ascii_field: 'galt' without the cloaking device is like superman without the cape
ascii_field: (or whatever the flying widget is)
adlai: the cape gave superman his power!?
adlai: maybe samson without the dreads
mircea_popescu: i thouhgt it was his butt
ascii_field: samson, sure.
pete_dushenski: buttless superman... is but a man
mircea_popescu: incidentally... i find it kinda lulzy that arabs etc don't go all bear. but...
ascii_field: wrong geography
adlai: kosher laws are such a messy patchwork of whitelists and blacklists
Chillum: It would be like aquaman without... wait what does he have?
Chillum: soggyness.
adlai: like satoshi without MSVC
mircea_popescu: hence "dry vagina"
mircea_popescu: ahahaha OUCH. zing.
pete_dushenski: adlai: "must refrain from random things to hone your discipline" isn't the worst approach in the world
adlai: pete_dushenski: what?
ascii_field: nubbins`: maybe once you get enough toys it'll be a fair trade << all the toys i buy put together are dwarfed by the cost of living like a human being (e.g., not having rabid hyenas in my home, nor within 100 metres, etc.)
adlai is being told to stop dicking around on IRC?
ascii_field: and this ^ is not a toy, it is as essential as clothes to me.
pete_dushenski: adlai: uh kashrut ?
adlai: ah
mircea_popescu: ascii_field 100 metres is tough. within 100 metres of me there's like 3 different theatres.
mircea_popescu: you should hear the rabid hyenas lol.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: flexible figure
Chillum: nice to hear metric
ascii_field: and enduring hyenas by choice, because you're into keeping zoo, or culturing fleas, etc. is rather different from financially forcible tour of duty in hyena cage
mircea_popescu: they get together and squeal, it's fucking incredible. that particular 16 yo "pls fuck me" unconscious thing.
ascii_field: adlai:anthem is precisely the correct dose of ayn rand for a healthy brain << i will admit to having read pretty much all of rand
ascii_field: (big whoop)
adlai: and how accurate is my perscription?
mircea_popescu: you read pretty much all of apparently every idiot available
ascii_field: adlai: i'm with naggum on this one
mircea_popescu: and YET you protest the hyena
adlai: !s naggum rand
assbot: 0 results for 'naggum rand' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=naggum+rand
ascii_field: (short version: dedicated zoologist? yes, read. no? don't)
assbot: Erik Naggum on Atlas Shrugged - Kent Pitman - Open Salon ... ( http://bit.ly/1IIzcwc )
ascii_field: ^ somebody cache this before censored entirely?
ascii_field: (naggum's is the part on the annoying black background colour)
adlai: it's not in xach's thingy?
ascii_field: it is not
ascii_field: because not on usenet
mircea_popescu: archive.today
adlai: ahright
ascii_field: posthumously published private letter
assbot: Kent Pitman's Blogging: Erik Naggum on Atlas Shrugged ... ( http://bit.ly/1IIzl2C )
ascii_field: <mircea_popescu> and YET you protest the hyena << so i had a quiet and physically clean upbringing. this is who i am. i get that it gives me a short life expectancy, yes. but jumping from cliffs doesn't grow wings, no.
mircea_popescu: just observing that the writing it produces doesn't seem to bother as much ? how come ?
ascii_field: because can be zoologist to text on a screen
mircea_popescu: why this not that ?
ascii_field: e.g., why did hanbot work well as a forum demolitions expert, but isn't (afaik!) a soldier in meatspace ?
mircea_popescu: now howdja know that ?
ascii_field: i do not.
ascii_field: only conjecture.
mircea_popescu: imo more competent as soldier than forum diogenes
assbot: Tumbling Interest Rates in Europe Leaves Some Banks Owing Money on Loans to Borrowers - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1CFq83W )
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: neato
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: but to answer question, my meatspace idiocy filter is simply not as strong as the conceptual one. to ask 'why' is like asking why my legs are not as long as mircea_popescu's
adlai: pete_dushenski: why does the http response never terminate? it's a .txt...
ascii_field: i.e., the question may well have a biological answer, but knowing it does me little good.
mircea_popescu: but do you know it is in fact a biological answer.
mats: ^ "US business inventories rise; sales flat"
ascii_field: mats: 'the chocolate ratio went up to 25 grams from the old 50'
pete_dushenski: adlai: good question ? anyone else seeing this ?
adlai: (are you?)
pete_dushenski: mats: ascii_field this is the city of edmonton's "we improved our asphalt technologee in the 1990s but it turned out to last 1/4 as long as the stuff from the 1960s"
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
pete_dushenski: adlai: i am actually, and now i have no idea if this is something to be addressed, and if so, how.
adlai: the common cold of the information age
adlai has seen this often on many sites, only now commented about it
adlai: oh, it's sporadic: reloading the page now has "fixed" it
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: but do you know it is in fact a biological answer << after a certain amount of exposure, and getting weaker rather than stronger, one leans that - if there was an age where having one's legs pulled on, would have lengthened them - that age is past
ascii_field: *learns that
adlai: mircea_popescu: so are the average price diamonds in mpex thumbnails intentionally so dark as to cause the bewildered visitor to question his eyesight or sanity, until he confirms that they are in fact of different hue?
ascii_field: nubbins`: the only thing that'll make alf walk away is alf << nubbins` would probably be rather surprised to learn that - other than the physical separation from wildlife (e.g., nubbins`'s roommate) - i have very few luxuries
ascii_field: (i do not consider eating genuine, vs. recycled food, a luxury. just as air on a space capsule is not a luxury, even if it costs what gold costs down on earth)
mats: warehouse of computer antiques sounds like a lot of luxuries to me.
ascii_field: mats: 'warehouse' is a bit of exaggeration. the whole lot would (and did, when i moved) fit in a small van.
mats: in any event -- i'm envious. my living space is too small to accommodate much more than what i could fit in a hatchback
mats: rent is not nearly as usurious, as, say, DC, but a space like mine (own room, roommates adjacent) costs... $1k/mo
ascii_field: mats: i lived in a flat quite like (from what i can tell) yours, for most of a decade.
ascii_field: and my new digs aren't quite big enough to make any difference space-wise. i moved to a free-standing building mainly to get further away from other human beings
ascii_field: admittedly i no longer have the 'nazi submarine' atmosphere of the old flat (bulkheads in every conceivable space, objects hanging to fill every gap, etc.)
mats: i prefer to live with other humans. that way, they can find my corpse before the smell of decay sets in. hopefully.
adlai: why would the smell bother you?
adlai: "live fast, die young, leave a good-looking corpse" says nothing about the absence of respirators for the autopsy team
mats: so some folks have time to hunt the man that did the deed
ascii_field: mats: i don't live alone, but with pet
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
assbot: Prosecutors suspect man hacked lottery computers to score winning ticket | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1CKtf9D )
ascii_field: run moar winblows (tm)
ascii_field: 'The former security director "was 'obsessed' with root kits, a type of computer program that can be installed quickly, set to do just about anything, and then self-destruct without a trace," prosecutors wrote. They went on to say a witness would testify at trial that Tipton told him before December 2010 that he had a self-destructing rootkit.' << 'hands off the specialist toolz, plebe'
Chillum: why did he not get an accomplice to buy the ticket
lobbes: maybe he didn't have a wot
Chillum: How can people be so clever yet make such dumb mistakes
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Chillum: his hostile code should have sat dormant for 6 months, then someone with no obvious connection to him should have got the ticket
ascii_field: when corrupt orc from gaggle of equally-corrupt similar orcs is charged with 'corruption' - what is the reason, always and invariably ?
williamdunne: Got caught?
mats: defection.
williamdunne: To make the goblins think they care
ascii_field: mats, williamdunne: didn't share with superiors. or pissed'em off in some other way.
mircea_popescu: adlai nop
mircea_popescu: <mats> warehouse of computer antiques sounds like a lot of luxuries to me. << anything sounds like a luxury to someone somewhere!
mircea_popescu: <Chillum> How can people be so clever yet make such dumb mistakes << whole thing reads to me more like a case of baxies than anything legitimately prosecutable.
mircea_popescu: "man that didn't shoot the cop had a gun! neighbours saw it!"
ascii_field: <Chillum> his hostile code should have sat dormant for 6 months, then someone with no obvious connection to him should have got the ticket << i suppose this is when nubbins` says 'learn the dark marketz, anyone can!' and mircea_popescu tells us about the superiority of human dark org vs relying on machines
ascii_field wonders how many years of jail are given for predicting the output of a legit, un-pwned winblows rng in lottery
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
Pierre_Rochard: !up zooko
ascii_field: Chillum: How can people be so clever yet make such dumb mistakes << autists like ulbricht/dpr get nailed by trusting in meat. 'eusocial' folks like mr lottery -also- get nailed by trusting in meat. just like when an airplane falls, pilots and passengers get same fate
ascii_field: does not so much matter that one 'knew how to fly' and other - did not
ascii_field: the mistake of each, to the extent the stories publicly known are even factual, is 'dunning-kruger'-ing their reach far past their grasp.
ascii_field: the 'up-side' - perhaps the only one - of being a hermit monster is that the tools built for nailing the 'eusocial' don't work on you. i.e. you negrate a usg shill in your mind at most forty seconds after initial contact
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ascii_field grants that somewhere on the far outskirts of the retardation spectrum, there lies the land of 'there are no shills! finally someone is willing to be my -phriend!- 111!!111 stop insulting my -phriendz-!!!11' but has not, fortunately, gone there.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16750 @ 0.00030217 = 5.0613 BTC [+]
lobbes: even hermits must put some trust in meat? Is not the hermit, himself, meat?
ascii_field: lobbes: the context is important here
ascii_field: 'trust in meat' in the thread was 'what nailed lottery-man'
ascii_field: that is, the fact that he did not stick 100% to diddling the machines under cover of dark
ascii_field: but involved -people- in the scheme
ascii_field: ditto dpr
ascii_field: 'what three know, the sow knows' (TM)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00029741 = 4.1043 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
nubbins`: <+ascii_field> nubbins`: if i worked in a cubicle, the last thing i would do is buy a pogo and mess with it << what did you buy and play with instead? a nagant, testing how it feels in the mouth, as in mircea_popescu's 'dulap' story ? <<< not in so many words :P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00029339 = 3.55 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: <+adlai> like satoshi without MSVC <<< my kingdom for some more sides
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21850 @ 0.00030217 = 6.6024 BTC [+]
nubbins`: <+ascii_field> <mircea_popescu> and YET you protest the hyena << so i had a quiet and physically clean upbringing. this is who i am. i get that it gives me a short life expectancy, yes. but jumping from cliffs doesn't grow wings, no. <<< the sets of {co-inhabitants} and {dirtbags} don't have as complete an overlap as you'd think
nubbins`: <+ascii_field> (i do not consider eating genuine, vs. recycled food, a luxury. just as air on a space capsule is not a luxury, even if it costs what gold costs down on earth) <<< i don't fully buy into the "it's cheaper to eat shitty" mentality, but it's my understanding that the dynamics involved therein are vastly different in your country
nubbins`: that said, i'm pretty sure a 15kg bag of rice doesn't cost much more than a few shit sandwiches from mcd's anywhere in north america
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00029196 = 3.4451 BTC [-] {2}
felipelalli: mircea_popescu: thank you for your considerations, you're right. nubbins` thank you for comprehend.
nubbins`: wait, i understood smth?
ascii_field: nubbins`: not even chinese live on rice alone
ascii_field: nubbins`: go try eating, e.g., plankton for the rest of your life
nubbins`: nor do people live on big macs alone
ascii_field: nubbins`: academic, though. food is scarcely a tenth of it
nubbins`: but i'm of the opinion that very few adult north americans have even the faintest idea of how to feed themselves properly, let alone on a sensible budget
nubbins`: ascii_field your average bezzle cubicle dweller prob spends 25% of gross income on food
felipelalli: nubbins`: you said "don't worry, you're new" something like that.
nubbins`: oh right, yeah
felipelalli: nubbins`: don't worry, selective memory.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14059 @ 0.00029274 = 4.1156 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: nubbins`: you are quite right, that the situation is very different in usa.
ascii_field: nubbins`: if i did not have a full-time pet to handle the food problem, i would probably have to survive on something like military rations.
BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> nubbins`: if i did not have a full-time pet to handle the food problem, i would probably have to survive on something like military rations. << Sprats come in can, RATIONS!!!
ascii_field: laugh BingoBoingo, but i did this.
ascii_field: does not make for effective 'mens sana in corpore sano', this.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7050 @ 0.00030217 = 2.1303 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38000 @ 0.00030217 = 11.4825 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: military rations are good ?!
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
assbot: DEAR PORTLAND: WEEKLY RANT/RAGE THREAD 4/13/15 : Portland ... ( http://bit.ly/1DfIRWk )
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla assbot died ?
asciilifeform: eggog! (tm)
ascii_field: go figure.
mircea_popescu: lok just clogged.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: military rations are good ?! << nope - very bad, but with minimal effort. like the 'hiring shaman - hire cheapest' theorem.
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 10:57:38; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100564 << you want it, you got it. vip treatment beotch!!1
chetty: so standing in a line I was noticing all the people doing whatever on cellphones, all I could think was "For this we evolved opposable thumbs?"
lobbes: to be fair, I am quite guilty of this. Either that or stare frantically around the room while trying not to make eye contact with anyone
lobbes: good time to catch up on the logs, eh
mats: i can't even imagine the vast number of neck, back, and general injuries from poor posture the world will see in a decade
hanbot: ascii_field cooking *is* minimal effort, just gotta learn.
hanbot: why not make eye contact?
asciilifeform: eggog! (tm)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20550 @ 0.00030217 = 6.2096 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: l0l wrong button fail
ascii_field: eye contact << because when you make eye contact, folks shoot lasers from their eyes into yours
adlai: actually there's this game a friend of mine "invented", where you must maintain eye contact whenever it is accidentally (or not) made with a stranger
adlai: this was all fun and games until he met somebody else who appeared to be playing the same game
adlai: (you lose if you're the first to break eye contact)
adlai: there was glass between them, the other guy was sitting in the outside patio of a cafe... and they just stared at eachother until my friend gave up
hanbot: no prize?
adlai: had the glass not been there, i guess tehy'd have been required to either fight or mate
adlai: they would be eachother's prize
hanbot: pretty good safety glass then.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13378 @ 0.0003009 = 4.0254 BTC [-]
assbot: Ascent successful. Dragon enroute to Space Station. Rocket landed on droneship, but too hard for survival.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8374 @ 0.0003009 = 2.5197 BTC [-]
adlai: bird landed on safety glass, but too hard for survival
adlai: this elon, he's a clever guy. oughtta do marketing.
mircea_popescu: ahh that sweet sweet 50mbps pipe
mircea_popescu: 3gb ? 1 minute!
ascii_field: 50 is sweet ?
mircea_popescu: when restorepkg takes longer to process than wget takes to download one can't complain.
mircea_popescu: and btw, that's one spiffy script!
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i had no idea there was restorepkg for a «Сетунь» !
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18386 @ 0.00030217 = 5.5557 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: for a who ?
assbot: МЦВМ Сетунь. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GHPu7K )
ascii_field: ^ the ternary one
ascii_field: you know, the computer mircea_popescu uses
ascii_field: or was that just for signing btc tx.
mircea_popescu: im hosting trilema on cpanel
mircea_popescu: what did you think!
ascii_field did not think. was mostly occupied with mining one last bucket of salt before blasting off
mircea_popescu: lol. gl.
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7848 @ 0.0003009 = 2.3615 BTC [-]
TheNewDeal: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 352154 | Current Difficulty: 4.944639068824144E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 352799 | Next Difficulty In: 645 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 4 hours, 31 minutes, and 10 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 48730678236.3 | Estimated Percent Change: -1.44745
TheNewDeal: ;;bids 200
gribble: Bitfinex | There are currently 9989.9373 bitcoins demanded at or over 200.0 USD, worth 2101912.00544 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0095 seconds
TheNewDeal: ;;bids bitstamp 200
gribble: Error: 'bitstamp' is not a valid non-negative floating point number.
BingoBoingo: ;;bids --market buttstamp 200
gribble: Bitstamp | There are currently 2349.8963 bitcoins demanded at or over 200.0 USD, worth 483208.939584 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0509 seconds
BingoBoingo: ^ TheNewDeal
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 218.05, Best ask: 218.1, Bid-ask spread: 0.05000, Last trade: 218.1, 24 hour volume: 52461.868259, 24 hour low: 216.37, 24 hour high: 227.89, 24 hour vwap: None
ben_vulpes: cheep coins! getcher cheep coins!
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market buttstamp
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 215.24, Best ask: 215.5, Bid-ask spread: 0.26000, Last trade: 215.22, 24 hour volume: 18648.16191006, 24 hour low: 210.0, 24 hour high: 224.8, 24 hour vwap: 218.672310487
mats: whoa
mats: it moves
BingoBoingo: Also responds to buttstamp +1
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5950 @ 0.00030217 = 1.7979 BTC [+]
adlai: wtf
adlai: i swear, you stop looking at a market for a few days, and it goes crazy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00030035 = 2.9434 BTC [-]
adlai brb selling dog for bitcoin
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
adlai: pawning may be a better term
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21547 @ 0.0002997 = 6.4576 BTC [-] {2}
TheNewDeal: thanks BB
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11315 @ 0.00030217 = 3.4191 BTC [+]
TheNewDeal: !down
TheNewDeal: !down TheNewDeal
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00030217 = 5.016 BTC [+]
jurov: lol TheNewDeal. what a statement.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00030231 = 4.3835 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00030235 = 4.6562 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00029738 = 4.1931 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20550 @ 0.00030235 = 6.2133 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5710 @ 0.00030235 = 1.7264 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27950 @ 0.000302 = 8.4409 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Page not found on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ctY7WN )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13532 @ 0.00030068 = 4.0688 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Page not found on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1cu24Li )
mircea_popescu: amusingly enough the derps should even know who i am, but of course nobody keeps any sort of track of their customers these days.
mircea_popescu: what was that casino quote,
mircea_popescu: "Today, it's all gone. You get a whale show up with four million in a suitcase, and some twenty-five-year-old hotel school kid is gonna want his Social Security Number."
BingoBoingo: Seriously
BingoBoingo: But I don't think Meatspace Vegas managed to elude the USG's money tracking slime mold
mircea_popescu: tbh i think people by and large just gave up
mircea_popescu: like, on life. not even seriously trying anymore.
mircea_popescu: anyone want btcbase.org / net / etc ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00030229 = 3.4763 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Could be useful for hosting a qntra BTC price index. I'm thinking a static page <body><h1>$5000/BTC</h1></body>
mircea_popescu: you want it ?
BingoBoingo: Not yet. I'll drink a bit, come up with some ideas, and see if any ideas survive the hangover tomorrow afternoon.
asciilifeform: 'record locator no valido: xxxxx'
asciilifeform: ^ airline
asciilifeform angrily dusts off phone
BingoBoingo: Maybe email Orlov and see if you can borrow the Tu-95 in the embassy basement
asciilifeform has never before beheld such retardation
danielpbarron: What's known as "Internet Brigading" - the situation where a lot of people with no money and no practical importance complain loudly, as if anyone cares what the stupid poor say or think on any topic. << I had this happen to me over a particularly offensive tweet that got featured on some blog
asciilifeform: web checkin widget fails silently; airline's phone is eternal ad loop recording
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform did you get airline ticket scammed or what's the idea ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not detectably scammed, but the confirmation www does not appear to work.
mircea_popescu: tbh half working shit is par foir the course.
mircea_popescu: it DOES have rounded corners, right ?
asciilifeform: certainly!
asciilifeform: and a meg or two of js
asciilifeform: (tried on six different browsers, to be sure)
asciilifeform: phone monkey says 'system issue, our apologies, get your confirmation at the airport'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00030231 = 2.9324 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: sounds about right.
mats: i loled at the use of the Gadsden flag in that blog post
asciilifeform: after hour of phone tag, i get them to send me some proof that reservation existed... it turns out to be some random person's reservation for entirely other route
asciilifeform goes to next level of phone tag
asciilifeform: monkey claims that 'it works' on their end
funkenstein_: that history of pron is fabulous.. welcome back trilema :D
asciilifeform: but refuses to actually do the confirmation
williamdunne: !s way-back machine
assbot: 3 results for 'way-back machine' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=way-back+machine
williamdunne: mircea, you said I should ask as to why options are no longer issued on MPEX when trilema is back up
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: It's already in there in the early 2014 (February, March?) statements
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: Basically price signal sucks, price aggreators really suck
williamdunne: BingoBoingo: Thanks Bingo. I'd love to see them in the future
williamdunne: Presuming the above is solved of course!
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: Don't take my word, trilema's up dig for the posts
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: It would also be interesting to read your counter-complaint - I can only imagine it follows along the lines of your correspondence with the SEC, but with a few more insults thrown in for good measure
BingoBoingo: Oh, scoopbutt has been missing...
assbot: Brawker Closing | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1PKcTbj )
assbot: Police Send Spyware Of Lawyer For Whistle-Blower | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1PKcZQb )
BingoBoingo: *title corrected
williamdunne: The redditards were moaning about how much of their stolen money was going to be wasted on new appeal cases because of it
BingoBoingo: Where's this complaining
BingoBoingo might consider spending more time in the United States to do law school and become a "Doing it doesn't mean you're guilty" lawyer
BingoBoingo: !up felipelalli
BingoBoingo: felipelalli: Congrats, you've been hanging around long enough to make it to the nearly "useful confusion" stage
BingoBoingo: !up virtuals
felipelalli: thanks BingoBoingo! I'd like to read more the logs, it is my TODO list, I just can't priorize too much it in this moment of my life. Also my English is not good as I wish so it is a little hard to me understand everything in full and because that I became a little hesitant to participate.
BingoBoingo: felipelalli: Well, the second best way to learn a language is reading stuff.
felipelalli: BingoBoingo: True! Most of my reading is technical stuff, because I am a developer and I am totally focused in it now, learning and developing systems. But it is totally different than the "natural language". I lived 1 year in Australia, it helped me a lot, but I don't feel very comfortable yet.
assbot: Collocations | EnglishClub ... ( http://bit.ly/1PKgwy6 )
BingoBoingo: felipelalli: Well, most of the useful subset of English is the technical/business subset. Beyond that the barrister's subset of Englis is useful.
BingoBoingo: Ah, yeah. Only way to get collocations is reading fiction and listening to speakers
adlai: english: yet another common business-oriented language
BingoBoingo: English is COBOL for the mind
adlai: p much.
adlai: teaching it should be a criminal offense!
adlai: speaking it, a misdemeanor
BingoBoingo: English isn't the worst though. I'm pretty sure modern Hebrew has all of the historical legitimacy of lojban
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82314 @ 0.00030235 = 24.8876 BTC [+]
adlai: hebrew is an interesting language... quite regular, quite abstract. basically what you'd expect of a [re]constructed language that gets developed almost exclusively by either military slang or theological discourse
BingoBoingo also thinks Prussia should have been surrendered as reparations for the purposes of Establishing a Jewish state after WWII
adlai: well that would've sucked for all the prussians, although i guess they could've been deported to palestine, or uganda
BingoBoingo imagines alt-Cold War tempered by Franco-Russian anti-semitism
assbot: Uganda Scheme - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1atL71Y )
BingoBoingo: adlai: Nah the Prussians could suffer in Austria. Austrians birthed the Fuher anyways
adlai: the trouble is that the same troublemakers who made trouble, would've made it anyways, even if offered japan along with prussia
adlai: because of all the milk and honey
felipelalli: I heard Korean is a very good (almost artificial) language, like Esperanto.
adlai isn't sure esperanto meets any definition of "very good" beyond "has been force-taught to a few kids"
BingoBoingo: adlai: Isn't the dead sea at historic low levels? Canaan is just as much shitty desert as California except it's been abused much longer.
adlai: oh there are plans now
assbot: Dead Sea, Red Sea plan raises environmental hackles ... ( http://bit.ly/1atLwBw )
adlai: "The desalinated water will go south to (the Jordanian town of) Aqaba, while salt water will be pumped to the Dead Sea,"
BingoBoingo: Not to mention the whole part where Canaan is near the center of the former Ottman empire ought to make the area less desirable... Especially after what happened to the Armenians which was still rather recent...
adlai: eh?
adlai: what does the footstool kingdom have to do with the price of eggs in afghanistan
BingoBoingo: Maybe a little, maybe a lot?
adlai: maybe somewhat, or maybe not
BingoBoingo: Just though think of the awesome stoner comedies the Moses bush could have inspired if the Dutch and Jews were neighbors
assbot: ‫הדג נחש - מה נעשה Hadag Nahash - Ma Naase‬‎ - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1atMaik )
adlai: video is kinda garbage though
adlai: this is what israel's stoners turned out, in isolation
BingoBoingo: !up felipelalli
BingoBoingo: French also has become kind of a fail language. Too Anglicized last century
adlai: oueh
BingoBoingo: ;;ud minivan
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=minivan | Similar to the shocker (2 fingers in the pink, 1 in the stink), the act of putting 2 fingers in the vagina and a fist up the ass. Called the minivan because it fits 2 in the ...
BingoBoingo: ;;ud manchurian handshake
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=manchurian+handshake | that bitches ass was so loose, that i gave myself a manchurian handshake; i showed that bitch whats up. by asjkdfhlgajhgk;ajd;sdklfjadkfkasdjfkjq234lkr l24ktj 8iu ...
mod6: haha minivan
assbot: Logged on 15-04-2015 00:42:57; mats: i loled at the use of the Gadsden flag in that blog post
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27269 @ 0.00029998 = 8.1802 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: congrats to mircea_popescu on ru hosting!
assbot: Logged on 15-04-2015 00:51:45; williamdunne: mircea, you said I should ask as to why options are no longer issued on MPEX when trilema is back up
asciilifeform: слава отечеству! (tm) (r)
assbot: MPOE, February 2014 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1E0KzP1 )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually guy's ukrainian.
asciilifeform bona fide ukr per usg passport
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha
asciilifeform wonders if he can get a new one when o. falls
mircea_popescu: anyway i should prolly publish the bw graph for the week lol. once it came back online it spent a few hours at 2MB/s
mircea_popescu: apparently everyone missed it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 2MB/s of vaguely humanlike, or of ntp etc ?
mircea_popescu: bout half humans half google
mircea_popescu: apparently google misses trilema, even sent me an email.
asciilifeform: l0l wut
mircea_popescu: i kid you not.
asciilifeform: this exists?!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Does exist
mircea_popescu: felipelalli the funny thing about english as used here is that it's not really familiar to about 90% of native english speakers either.
asciilifeform: 'english as she is spoken' (tm)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: When missing sometimes google does a http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qV5lzRHrGeg
assbot: Carly Rae Jepsen - I Really Like You - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1E0L23q )
assbot: Logged on 15-04-2015 01:34:43; adlai: well that would've sucked for all the prussians, although i guess they could've been deported to palestine, or uganda
mircea_popescu: for one thing, the jews didn't WANT austria.
adlai: "english as we mangle it in assetistan"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24314 @ 0.00029385 = 7.1447 BTC [-] {3}
williamdunne: Just read this comment from a couple years back, speaks strongly:
williamdunne: "This is actually a very nice write up. Well done.
williamdunne: The only really amazing thing to me is that we haven't seen this entry on the list:
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
williamdunne: "Shady ROMANIAN character opens up unregistered bitcoin options exchange (complete with HTML from 1993) on his personal website (which also hosts porn) and charges exorbitant fees just to join, while constantly accusing pretty much everyone else in the bitcoin community of being a scammer, and, along with his (possibly virtual) -PR lackey, acts like a loudmouthed douchebag ... but apperantly scams no
williamdunne: one." (yet?)
williamdunne: Thank you Mircea for your services to the bitcoin community and for apparently being an honest and trustworthy entrepreneurial businessman. (Making you perhaps the only honest and trustworthy Romanian I know.)
williamdunne: Moral of the story? It can be hard to judge people."
williamdunne: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-04-2015#1101749 - thanks, pretty interesting. Nice screw up by ANX there
assbot: Logged on 15-04-2015 02:14:11; mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/mpoe-february-2014-statement/ <
mircea_popescu: lol that's from like... 2012 ?
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: The best part is the html comes from no earlier than from some bit later than 1993
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Yep
williamdunne: BingoBoingo: Impressive how accurate they are, guessing they must know some backstory
williamdunne: >while constantly accusing pretty much everyone else in the bitcoin community of being a scammer
williamdunne: Even more impressive, because it was almost always right
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: At that time that was written author had plenty of history to work with.
BingoBoingo: !up DigitalDayTrader
williamdunne: BingoBoingo: I need to catch up
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: Today I am drinking Vodka to celebrate the advent of more of Bitcoin's history involving MPOE/MPEx than not
williamdunne: Ah I guess its about 3 years since MPEX and 6 years since bitcoin. Thats like a bank lasting from the 1820s in the fiat world
williamdunne: I think MPEX needs a logo carved in stone, preferably with some sort of bird of prey on it
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: A GreyHawk???
williamdunne: Suitable
mircea_popescu: wow BingoBoingo that's a thing by now huh.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah
mircea_popescu: cool beans.
williamdunne: I had (what I think) is an interesting idea the other day. Which could be rather educational for some people and entertaining for others
williamdunne: A website focussed at schools/universities/whatever, that would allow you to login via Facebook and "anonymously" make posts about other attendees. And then several months into the operation, slowly begin revealing the names of the OPs - with the option of paying a (bitcoin) bribe to have it not revealed
williamdunne: You just know that if you managed to get a few people on it they would all be dumb enough to sign on with facebook
williamdunne: See if you can throw some police stations/prisons/parliaments in there
mircea_popescu: i don't get what would be the point.
mircea_popescu: you could just as well hire indonesians to write random shit. there's a bunch of "reviews" sites spamming this crap, there was one even discussed in the logs, made an entry about "the bitbet casino"
mircea_popescu: very cringy-obvious never even saw the site.
mircea_popescu: supposedly someone cares enough to pay them, but i kinda doubt it's worth anyone's time.
williamdunne: I thought it would be interesting to see what people are willing to do with anonymity, and what they would pay to keep it
williamdunne: !s spam bitbet
assbot: 3 results for 'spam bitbet' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=spam+bitbet
mircea_popescu: !s bitbet review
assbot: 3 results for 'bitbet review' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bitbet+review
mircea_popescu: i dont actually recall wtf it was called
williamdunne: Lots of bit* or *coins, while its good for recognition awful for memorising.
mircea_popescu: it's awful for everything really.
williamdunne: At least when you see it you know that its got something to do with bitcoin
mircea_popescu: or aspires to.
williamdunne: True, but still in the broad sense
mircea_popescu: well... that's all for me. later folks.
BingoBoingo: OMG mircea_popescu discovered why even though Islands are shitty the Phillipines interest me as an expatriation point
mats: mircea_popescu: what's 50mb/s cost you in ar?
asciilifeform: <BingoBoingo> ... the Phillipines interest me as an expatriation point << afaik - worst of all worlds: thoroughly usg-owned, but with all the 'pleasures' of the Turd World
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Huge fans of US in general, in Midano with petite al queda USG nexus, but corrupt enough fot civilized living
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