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ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: can buildroot be coerced to crap out builds of its "packages" in addition to the nixen it builds?
ben_vulpes: seperately from, i suppose i mean
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asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: they get built in their subdirs and then copied
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what exactly did you mean by 'separate' ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: overall, 'buildroot' is scarcely more than an elaborate 'makefile'. everything you might care to know about it can be learned through reading the docs, the thing itself, and by experiment.
ben_vulpes: 'and then copied' << aha! i thought i'd read that somewhere.
ben_vulpes: a vile beast is slowing my mental procs down i think
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mircea_popescu: Mr. Oyster lmao
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in romania,
mircea_popescu: ;;google pirsul de padure
gribble: PHON.RO - Accident mortal Filipestii de Padure - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zfsjy64XjV0>; SindromulGoaga.ro | Colectionez Sindromuri: <http://sindromulgoaga.ro/>; animale salbatice din romania.ppt - Editura EDU: <http://edituraedu.ro/didactice/clasa%20a%20II-a/Cunoasterea%20mediului/animale%20salbatice%20din%20romania.ppt>
mircea_popescu: (aka glis glis, aka edible dormouse)
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funkenstein_: scary car crash. i had one in a dream last night too.
funkenstein_: ;;google michigan 150 car pileup
gribble: 150 Car Pile-Up on Michigan Highway I-94 - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9fI5M6_XVk>; Deadly 150-vehicle pileup closes I-94 in west Michigan: <http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2015/01/09/i-94-pileup-kalamazoo-county/21500281/>; At least 1 dead, 22 injured in fiery pileup in Michigan - USA Today: (1 more message)
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funkenstein_: offhanded comment here about lacan and alt-physics took me on a wild goose chase
funkenstein_: and now he shows up in the latest robert foster rap news
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mircea_popescu: you hadn't heard of that feminist role-model and brilliant woman in tech irigaray before, had you.
funkenstein_: nope
funkenstein_: nor Jaques to be honest with you
mircea_popescu: a well. the educative function of b-a
funkenstein_: thanks nagual
funkenstein_: most of lacan stuff i found seemed like fan literature
funkenstein_: gotta get the originals i suppose
mircea_popescu: lacan is remembered chiefly for two things. the more important was his economic superiority - he was the first talk psych to reduce the session time. he'd charge people for three minutes sort of thing. that made him more productive than his peers.
mircea_popescu: as the expression goes, when hiring a shaman don't hire the "best", hire the cheapest
mircea_popescu: (because they're exactly equally effective, being shamans).
mircea_popescu: conversely : if you're going to con people, take the least time possible. you'll deliver just as much con to each victim, but make more money at it.
mircea_popescu: the less important is his intellectual contribution - he proved conclusively that a "field" with "its own terminology" is not for this purely rhetorical reason respectable.
mircea_popescu: in the process paving the way for the ulterior extirpation from human preoccupations of stuff like "social studies".
mircea_popescu: generally, the more brilliant derps in any bogus field are the ones that'll finally sink it. he's chiefly the reason us pseudo-sicence of the mind went the way of pills.
mircea_popescu: back in the 60s and 70s it was looking like muchly the other way. but today, scientology is a barely surviving holdout of those olden days of talk psych.
funkenstein_: really? does that assume people read et en français aussi?
mircea_popescu: if americans didn't read french, how exactly would you imagine all the "new concepts" they publish would be made ?
mircea_popescu: need something to shanonize, yo. "radical honesty" herp-derp.
mircea_popescu: clever's rules or what was it.
funkenstein_: plagiarize, plagiarize, only be sure to call it: research
mircea_popescu: "i am the only person in this country that can sort-of grasp the meaning of long french phrases
mircea_popescu: except for all the other people also making their living out of badly translated french maculature."
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funkenstein_: compare "science et vie" to "discovery¨ .. you will see some differences
mircea_popescu: i've never actually read either
mircea_popescu: i much prefer cosmo. at least there's women.
funkenstein_: lol but i don't believe you
funkenstein_: how about, compare paris.backpage to newyork.backpage
funkenstein_: i haven't tried that
mircea_popescu: wassat ?
funkenstein_: srsly?
funkenstein_: in other news: http://www.toptenz.net/top-10-civilizations-that-mysteriously-disappeared.php
assbot: Top 10 Civilizations That Mysteriously Disappeared - Toptenz.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1H06C7h )
funkenstein_: mircea_popescu have you been approached by publishers for trilemma content yet?
funkenstein_: good good :)
nubbins`: funkenstein_ you could at least spell it the romanian way ;p
assbot: Logged on 13-04-2015 12:03:13; funkenstein_: really? does that assume people read et en français aussi?
assbot: Logged on 13-04-2015 12:03:13; funkenstein_: really? does that assume people read et en français aussi?
nubbins`: wait wat
nubbins`: log says "fran?ais" in my browser and log1 says "franais"
nubbins`: neither says "français"
mircea_popescu: maybe your brokser sucks ?
nubbins`: maybe!!!
nubbins`: hok kould i even knok tho?
mircea_popescu: no see, brokser because it's a broken browser.
nubbins`: browen brokser ;/
mircea_popescu: pretty good name for a dutchman
nubbins`: browen brokser's dutch seed bank
nubbins`: top quality - autoflowering - feminized
nubbins`: i like
mircea_popescu: kid to pregnant woman, puts hand on belly. "what's in here ?" "oh, I'm going to have a little baby"
mircea_popescu: "but do you love it ?" "of course i do!"
mircea_popescu: "then why did you eat it ?"
nubbins`: i was thinking "but you already had one! aren't you full?"
nubbins`: cleveland in two days. i should find my passport
nubbins`: !up Vexual
mircea_popescu: either that or write to the canadian army general staff]
mircea_popescu: "dear sirs, im sick of having to look for my passport. go invade cleveland already"
nubbins`: some years ago, my father showed me this "certification booklet" that he carried as part of his job (gov marine safety inspections)
nubbins`: it was actually comical how many more security features it had than my passport
nubbins`: veual i thought it was for the benefit of the lazy who'd sacrifice yield for ease
nubbins`: *vexual
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nubbins`: ^ watch an asshole use his bare hands to handle product
Vexual: u wot?
mircea_popescu: affordable!
nubbins`: right?
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nubbins`: tldr: they suck and the makers should end it all
Vexual: whats at the end of nubbins albert chain?
nubbins`: prince albert chain? you can prolly guess
Vexual: glue to the plastic
funkenstein_: 40.2 millies is pretty cheap for a compromised privkey
funkenstein_: thanks for correction nubbins *face palm*
nubbins`: funkenstein_ is it cheap for a /finnish/ compromised privkey?
nubbins`: o and hey, any time
nubbins`: srsly tho what's fun to do in cleveland?
funkenstein_: all caps
mircea_popescu: who's eggwich
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nubbins`: some guy
nubbins`: wait maybe it's a chick
nubbins`: bought some art off me at one point iirc
mircea_popescu: you make art ?!
nubbins`: mircea_popescu >8(
Vexual: bearded cake is the biz
Vexual: go ask hilly
Vexual: limpiting on like a dieng fucking pigeon
nubbins`: ;;ud beard cake
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Beard+Cake | The simple combination of beard shaving, and cake baking. This term refers to the act of oneself shaving their beard into cake batter, and presenting the final ...
nubbins`: oh wow
nubbins`: notbad.jpg
Vexual: oh shit
Vexual: seriously tho, shes been in the game since honeys was wearing sassoons
Vexual: its a good thing
nubbins`: in the game he's shameless, even uses the codename famous amos
nubbins`: !up Vexual
Vexual: u rappin?
nubbins`: ;;google in the game he's shameless, even uses the codename famous amos
nubbins`: worth listening to, purely for the number of food/sex double entendres
nubbins`: hell, mp might even get a chuckle
nubbins`: "sodom, they got 'em with they curls out, even got a better sales pitch than the girl scouts"
Vexual: rooted a blackberry
nubbins`: nb.gif
assbot: Sufjan Stevens [Full Official Album] - Seven Swans - IndieMusicAddict - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FNUox1 )
Vexual: got my own server
Vexual: double dog dare you to callme a pervert
nubbins`: i'm tempted to call you one for owning a blackberry
Vexual: not me, hilly
nubbins`: oh hill-clint
assbot: Hillary Clinton’s Empowerment | Jacobin ... ( http://bit.ly/1FNUUuT )
funkenstein_: speaking of which, a bar joke i heard last night, whats the difference between marmalade and jam?
Vexual: obama just made frinds with cuba too, so cigars will be ubiquitous
nubbins`: funkenstein_ iirc marmalade is stickier
nubbins`: wat, it also contains peels.
funkenstein_: you can't marmalade your cock in someone's ass
Vexual: relax, its not a tumour
funkenstein_: unexpected obscenity = good bar joke
funkenstein_: irc = not the place, sorry
nubbins`: "Walmart executives have continued to look favorably on her, with Alice Walton donating the maximum amount to the “Ready for Hillary” Super PAC in 2013. Walton’s $25,000 donation was considerably higher than the average annual salary for Walmart’s hourly employees"
Vexual: it was expected when u said it was a bar joke\
mircea_popescu: !up HostFat
mircea_popescu: nubbins` uh i dun follow.
funkenstein_: you know the one about the prisoner sentenced to death, who was told it would be one day this week but not a day he expects?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu it's an article in jacobin, you're not supposed to follow
mircea_popescu: ello HostFat
HostFat: I've nothing to say now, I was just lurking :)
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ yes.
mircea_popescu: actually iirc was even discussed in the log, of all places, somewhat recently.
funkenstein_: nice
funkenstein_: ;;google deploys hillary clinton
gribble: U.S. Condemned For Pre-Emptive Use Of Hillary Clinton Against ...: <http://www.theonion.com/video/us-condemned-for-preemptive-use-of-hillary-clinton,14367/>; How should Hillary Clinton deploy Bill in 2016? - CSMonitor.com: <http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/Politics-Voices/2014/0828/How-should-Hillary-Clinton-deploy-Bill-in-2016>; NRCC Deploys Clinton's Email Saga In Maloney (1 more message)
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nubbins`: facepalm
nubbins`: i may not actually let this guy stay the rest of the month
nubbins` turned on the oven 15 minutes ago to pre-heat it; couldn't find the cookie sheet; opened the oven to find 10 burned chicken fingers inside
nubbins`: this is almost as retarded as leaving the front door not only unlocked, but actually /not fully closed/, a total of 8 times so far /this year/
Vexual: get a silicone mat
nubbins`: or a straight-razor
Vexual: both
Vexual: smooth balls and well loose baked goods
mircea_popescu: you share a kitchen ?
nubbins`: it's a one-kitchen sort of house
Vexual: yah cant get good flatmates i tell ya
nubbins`: Vexual i prefer parchment paper
mircea_popescu: suppose dude has syphilis ?
Vexual: yeah well, i clean the overn, so
mircea_popescu: generally sharing a kitchen and sharing a woman is about the same scenario.
Vexual: and i orefer sicicone
mircea_popescu: this never occured to you ?!
nubbins` imagines MP unwrapping bar of soap, using once, putting in trash
mircea_popescu: the bathroom is actually lower on the list than most things.
nubbins`: like the doorknobs
nubbins`: we share those too
Vexual: not me, bathroom is a sanctuary
mircea_popescu: there's a major difference between "stuff goes in" and everything else.
mircea_popescu: women are slightly vulnerable to bad bathrooms, but slightly. you're a guy, you don't have a problem there. what are you going to catch, rabies ?
nubbins`: what am i going to catch from a /fork/ that i'm not exposing myself to by eating at a restaurant?
mircea_popescu: restaurants are very safe, because if they become infected it's obvious within a day and they get shut down
nubbins`: does b-a share restaurant inspection reports online?
mircea_popescu: this also never occured to you ?
mircea_popescu: it's not a matter of online. hospitals report infections, disease control tracks them.
mircea_popescu: you get shut down within days.
nubbins`: o, within days.
nubbins`: that's probably good enough.
funkenstein_: if you are looking for exposure to local pathogens, nothing beats a nursery
mircea_popescu: probably.
nubbins`: after all, it's not like anyone else would use the syphilis fork in that time frame
Vexual: someone that went in my kitchen ened up in my garden
Vexual: it was a permanent arrangement
funkenstein_: re: syphilis fork, is that a coin?
nubbins`: brb but i legitimately am curious as to how you think i can catch a disease from a clean fork
mircea_popescu: hand made.
funkenstein_: lol
mircea_popescu: nubbins` what i said was that the kitchen's the worst place to share with some whoever. it is.
mircea_popescu: !up jitenm
mircea_popescu: and that it's about on par with sharing a woman. which it also is.
mircea_popescu: other than that... have fun neh ?
nubbins`: no i got what you said
nubbins`: it's just the logic doesn't follow
nubbins`: !up Vexual
Vexual: danke
mircea_popescu: let's see what other logic doesn't follow.
mircea_popescu: are you aware for instance that women are a good degree of magnitude more likely to catch something from men, than men from women ?
Vexual: yes, its because of dicks
nubbins`: what's included in the set of {something}? a wink? syphilis?
Vexual: a glance
Vexual: dick generallydont absorb stuff, theyre disigned for the opposite
mircea_popescu: venereal disease.
nubbins`: my flagging interest begs you to continue
mircea_popescu: what's to continue lol. you've never bothered to think about contagion, which is excusable seeing how you're no biologist.
nubbins`: again, how is this different from eating at a restaurant
nubbins`: or do you pack your own chopsticks?
Vexual: i look at the kitchen, i dont touch it
mircea_popescu: how is sex different from eating at a restaurant ?
Vexual: ^^\
nubbins`: you don't cum when you're finished eating
mircea_popescu: so then.
nubbins`: so then nothing
nubbins`: an ellipsis isn't an argument
Vexual: youre in the wrong spot
nubbins`: no kidding
nubbins`: anyway, despite the fact that this guy works as a cook at various 4-star restaurants
mircea_popescu: what ellipsis!
nubbins`: his meals while at home consist entirely of take-out fish & chips and chicken fingers
nubbins`: the ellipsis you forgot to add after your "so then"
mircea_popescu: dude you asked me how sex is different from eating at a restaurant, and then answered yourself.
nubbins` sighs
nubbins`: sure did
mircea_popescu: i wonder what four star means in canada
Vexual: the similarities are endless
mircea_popescu: afaik the most stars you can get was three.
Vexual: thats hats
nubbins`: haha wait i'm thinking of hotels.
nubbins`: i think three stars *is* the most a restaurant can get
nubbins`: anyway. the place was voted canada's best restaurant a couple years in a row
nubbins`: and this guy leaves the front door open and chicken fingers in the oven overnight
Vexual: seems errone wears a hat in candia
Vexual: rotten whale, hat
Vexual: box jellyfish tentacles, defused with vinegar,now theres something to work with
Vexual: aweful texture
Vexual: like some poisin spaghetti
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Vexual: invisible
funkenstein_: http://www.academia.edu/11791336/Bitcoin_as_Politics_Distributed_Right-Wing_Extremism
assbot: Bitcoin as Politics: Distributed Right-Wing Extremism | David Golumbia - Academia.edu ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6DUC0 )
Vexual: and indisible, by tooth or knife
nubbins`: lel meanwhile in two dog land: http://imgur.com/3FOH9mj
nubbins`: plz to not those are NOT cops on horses, which you see often enough, but what appear to be private citizens
Vexual: you dont have horses?
Vexual: cop horse is samle like regular horse
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in my inbox : http://dpaste.com/2ZVFFMN
assbot: dpaste: 2ZVFFMN ... ( http://bit.ly/1DBdIy6 )
Vexual: thats tradeable info kids
mircea_popescu: 1. blockchain info sends out spam ? 2. with retarded "cc to undisclosed/bcc to victim" stuff ? 3. and has some "communications officer" that can't spell ? 4. and wait, wut, "tell us how many moneyz and we'll tell you numerous numbers" business model ?!
Vexual: oh i thought it was a reply
Vexual: show what know
Vexual: isnt btc jam high on the.info advertisers list?
Vexual: like 90 weeks running
Vexual: or is that just me?
Vexual: yes trendsetters, they're making too mcuh money too kep up that bullshit
nubbins`: seriously though how do you leave 8 chicken fingers in the oven?
nubbins`: it wasn't even turned on.
nubbins`: so the guy cooked them, turned the oven off, then... went to bed at 7am
nubbins`: talk about coked out of your fucking head :p
funkenstein_: some people get upset when i point out coffee is more addictive than cocaine
funkenstein_: that sounds like more of an alcohol related move anyway
funkenstein_: i cooked some ramen noodles once and passed out
funkenstein_: i woke up they were gone
funkenstein_: distribued in a few micron layer around my apartment
funkenstein_: the ramen?
funkenstein_: turned to smoke and settled evenly around the room
funkenstein_: CVD
nubbins`: funkenstein_ 4 beer in the fridge, 2 empties by the garbage
nubbins`: not drunk
nubbins`: awake at 7am after opening the first beer at 11pm? probably coked up
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assbot: Logged on 13-04-2015 13:37:43; mircea_popescu: restaurants are very safe, because if they become infected it's obvious within a day and they get shut down
nubbins`: pete_dushenski i figured i'd leave that one for someone who wants to put in the time
nubbins`: mp has obv never worked in a restaurant kitchen :P
mircea_popescu: i actually ran a coupla o.O
nubbins`: if you shut 'em down within a day of them failing inspection, you're the 1%
pete_dushenski: given that incubation periods for common foodborne pathogens range from 1-7 days, that people have varying susceptibilities and that most people eat out somewhat frequently, it's hard to isolate the source
nubbins`: srsly, online inspection reports. you'd be shocked
mircea_popescu: that never happened.
pete_dushenski: ya, it's almost impossible to be shut down on the spot
nubbins`: how often did you resurface the cutting boards?
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski not as hard as it was for this guy to figure out the cook leaves the door open eh ?
pete_dushenski: you'd need dozens of sick people
mircea_popescu: nubbins` end of day.
nubbins`: now you're in the 0.1% :D
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: leaves the door open and... rat comes in ?
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski it was a comparative, he keeps tring to worm it into an absolute.
nubbins`: pete_dushenski that was a reference to my idiot roomie
nubbins`: he has a problem with securing the domicile
mircea_popescu: nubbins` nah, just, wood stuff was cheap. you'd go through multiple sets each year np
nubbins`: mircea_popescu plastic/resin cutting boards are more common here
mircea_popescu: you'd have been hanged for using plastic.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: daily resurfacing of cutting boards ??
nubbins`: when they finally put restaurant inspection reports online for people to read, every single restaurant i've ever eaten at was given a citation for cutting boards needing resurfacing
mircea_popescu: special machine shaved a layer
pete_dushenski: holy sweet mother of public health
nubbins`: pete_dushenski essentially you just plane 'em
mircea_popescu: cheap dude. srsly.
nubbins`: thick board'll last you a while
mircea_popescu: bout 7-8 weeks iirc
pete_dushenski: we need those here
nubbins`: !up Vexual
pete_dushenski: specially at the chinese restaurants
mircea_popescu: fucking canada, you ran out of trees ?
mircea_popescu: stop publish so much perish, yo!
pete_dushenski: we're up to our gills in plastic
mircea_popescu: plastic was very dimly regarded.
mircea_popescu: most of the fridge pots were actually clay.
Vexual: you resurface a throwaway peice of shit? surely u jest
nubbins`: i also wear socks more than once
pete_dushenski: fridge pots here are plastic or glass
Vexual: i had a mate you got me in to spraypaint silver so it looked like staineless steel
nubbins`: incidentally, my favourite chinese take-out was not listed in the restaurant inspection reports
nubbins`: at all.
mircea_popescu: glass works, but clay has this superb thermic inertia
mircea_popescu: heavier tho
Vexual: you didnt get a tick til id been
nubbins`: clay does indeed
nubbins` has been toying w/ getting clay pots for his kimchi fermenting
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: so fridge shelves i guess
mircea_popescu: the advantage is you can have it made in any shape for little effort.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: *stronger!
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski its fucking steel anyway.
mircea_popescu: dun tell me. plastic shelves ?
pete_dushenski: lol how'd you know ?
mircea_popescu: eh for chrissakes.
nubbins`: also fwiw i made kimchi day before yes, ~5th batch so far, anyone who likes food and is halfway handy in the kitchen is strongly encouraged to try making some
mircea_popescu: you know, it's a restaurant, not bottlecaps united.
nubbins`: *yest
Vexual: whats the recipie again?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` it makes in two days ?!
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: of course the walk-in fridges have metal grill shelving
mircea_popescu: the fermented cabagge stuff i like is 5 months
nubbins`: mircea_popescu the fermentation is *just* starting it.
nubbins`: i won't eat this util late april at the earliest
nubbins`: older is better but i honestly can't wait
nubbins`: i usually let it ferment at 20C for 4-5 days to get it going
nubbins`: fridge after that, most of the heavy lifting's done
mircea_popescu: nubbins` for the record, traditional (european) cooking happened around this large flat table of very thick oak
mircea_popescu: women (the young ones) brushed it with a steel brush each evening.
mircea_popescu: and the pots and pans each week.
pete_dushenski is still in shock over these fucking cutting board planing machines...
nubbins`: pete_dushenski imagine my face the first time i saw a squeegee sharpening machine
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: i can barely imagine your face the first time you bought a bitcoin
mircea_popescu: anyway, to not peel off more than is fair : i rather distantly ran the kitchen, by virtue of ownership. it did have a chief cook and everything.
Vexual: what kinda cuisine?
nubbins`: pete_dushenski it looked kind of like this: baked.jpg
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: was this before or after 'retirement' ?
mircea_popescu: way before.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu the vast majority of fooderies are staffed by 19-20yo's with clueless managers
Vexual: *science*
nubbins`: you're lucky to have 2 full time employees who know what they're at
mircea_popescu: i was not exactly clueless and very scary. the heads were in either case male, over 40.
mircea_popescu: the rest i dun really recall that clearly.
Vexual: so you walked to the bank alone?
nubbins`: you need 'em to be over 40
nubbins`: 35 at the very least
pete_dushenski: over 40 would be unheard of here
pete_dushenski: unless they're the owner
nubbins`: knowing wtf you're at would be unheard of as well
mircea_popescu: one guy wore a little chiffon thing over his moustache
nubbins`: hahaha
mircea_popescu: i STILL chuckle when i remember that
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: for the same reason
nubbins`: mircea_popescu i've seen a fair share of beard nets around
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mircea_popescu: duder had a kickass moustache. hungarian.
pete_dushenski: haha like a 'stache condom
nubbins`: always a good chortle
nubbins`: so bozo rolls downstairs, finds his cold chicken fingers on the counter
pete_dushenski: doods over 40 here are working for the gov or working in the patch
nubbins`: chuckles, throws dirty cookie sheet, in sink, smuggles food back up to bedroom
pete_dushenski: kitchen 'isn't respectable' for a man that age
pete_dushenski: because there are options
mircea_popescu: meh. people who are good at it are very happy there, i've found.
nubbins`: pete_dushenski if there's one way that north america fucked itself in the ass, it's the concept of "respectable work"
Vexual: erry kitchen ive seen gets benefits
mircea_popescu: i could never get a competent cook to even contemplate anything else.
nubbins`: 20 years of "if you don't study hard, you'll have to work at mcdonald's"
mircea_popescu: tbf mcdo is not a restaurant
nubbins`: followed by x years of "what, you're too good to work at mcdonald's?"
nubbins`: o no, not even close to one.
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: lol yea
nubbins`: imagine this though
nubbins`: the major employer of youth
nubbins`: and the youth spend their youth being told they're a piece of shit if they work there
mircea_popescu: this sounds exactly puritan to me.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: well mebbe that's what more men here need to do to be happy ?
mircea_popescu: point of woman bits is to get pregnant. what's woman supposed to do with her bits ?
mircea_popescu: ANYTHING BUT!
nubbins`: you go to japan, nobody working at the mcdonald's is sullen or put out
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski what, finding something they can be good at ? mmmmyeah...
pete_dushenski: precisely.
pete_dushenski: instead job is for making money
pete_dushenski: and after-hours is for enjoyment
nubbins`: ^ so broken
pete_dushenski: and skill isn't particularly part of the equation
Vexual: chef is skill
Vexual: drink wine buy resutrant, go broke repeat
Vexual: great fun
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i dun get the 'anything but pregnancy' thing ?
nubbins`: speaking of jacobin magazine, i once read an essay therein which expounded upon the implicit oppression in the statement "do what you love and you'll never work a day in your life"
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski most demographically stable and psychologically sane cultures i've ever seen welcome pregnancy in young women.
nubbins`: pretty sure i won the disrespect of at least half a dozen people by tearing strips off that one
mircea_popescu: except, of course, for teh english speakers. WORST DISASTER
Vexual: teenage pregnancy is frowned upon here, but the 29 yer olds with self sufficient spawn are very happy
nubbins`: but is that manufactured happiness?
nubbins`: (protip: doesn't matter!)
Vexual: nope, theyre just happy
mircea_popescu: well it's penifactured
mircea_popescu: nubbins` what i don't get with all the libertards is why exactly they imagine oppression is a bad thing.
mats: i had a fun dream last night: diplomats resolving disputes with pistols and a shootout in a department store
Vexual: 2 floors down
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: nubbins`it's that pain in general is bad, and to be avoided
mats: crawling around coat racks killing italians. woke up when my beretta jammed and i died, go figure
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Vexual: lol, thats a movie mats
mircea_popescu: mats any good coats ?
mats: which movie?
mircea_popescu: your dream.
Vexual: unwritten as a screenplay
nubbins`: mircea_popescu because narcissism?
mats: im an IT guy, i have no idea what good coats look like
Vexual: you're an it guy, its whatever u like
nubbins`: mats they look like the coats you see people wearing when you say to yourself "i bet that was expensive"
Vexual: or the girl who you think, i wonder how she got that?
Vexual: then the porno imaginings trun out to be a beretta
nubbins`: oh man. this paper place in brooklyn totally has all my business going forward
nubbins`: so i neglect to order this batch of paper on time. gotta have it in-hand this week. i choose the $220 shipping option on the website because it's the cheapest option beyond UPS ground.
nubbins`: they call me an hour later: "this other method will get it there in 3 days, we'll do it for $130"
Vexual: 20ft box is like 500 if u think ahead
nubbins`: with customer service like this, IDGAF that they were closed for a week for passover
nubbins`: Vexual think far enough ahead and you'll find yourself in the woods with a bucksaw
Vexual: stamp lickin hipster
nubbins`: !up Vexual
nubbins`: assbot didn't like that one
nubbins`: "Some observers have argued that Clinton’s repetition of the Democratic slogan that abortion should be “safe, legal, and rare”reinforces the stigmatization of those who choose that option."
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nubbins`: pop quiz: what are the major points of canada's abortion laws?
Vexual: ok, coathanger point, and the leather scraing tool?
Vexual: or is it yes, and or no
nubbins`: trick question. no laws on the books concerning abortion in any way, shape, or form.
Vexual: so iwas right on both counts
mircea_popescu: abortion should be rare tho.
mircea_popescu: sorta like swallowing glass shards.
nubbins`: yeah, i think taking issue with the word "rare" is sort of missing the point
nubbins`: probably on purpose
nubbins`: imagine: "abortion should be safe, legal, and commonplace:
mircea_popescu: imagine something else : what the same "observers" (= famished idiots trying to make money out of blather) would have said in that case.
nubbins`: anyway. you can get an abortion in canada a week before your due date, if you can convince a doctor to give you one
mircea_popescu: "oppressive heternormativeness forcing women tyo be pregnant!11"
nubbins`: (protip: you probably can't)
mircea_popescu: i certainl;y couldn't.
nubbins`: vous, not tu
Vexual: does it have to be a doctor?
nubbins`: i don't think a nurse practitioner would do it
Vexual: not a texidermist?
nubbins`: not even a "body mod practitioner"
nubbins`: ;;google todd bertrang
gribble: Todd Bertrang - BME: Tattoo, Piercing and Body Modification News: <http://news.bme.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/pubring/people/A10101/todd/todd.html>; The Entrapment and Imprisonment of Todd Bertrang - BME: Tattoo ...: <http://news.bme.com/2005/06/10/the-entrapment-and-imprisonment-of-todd-bertrang-the-publishers-ring/>; Conversations with Luna: Todd Bertrang - YouTube: (1 more message)
Vexual: 1 week? down low too slow
Vexual: imma have hilly so far up my arse
nubbins`: i wonder what todd bertrang is up to these days
Vexual: ill be rolling cubans errytime i poop
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nubbins`: i recall taking some terrible advice of his at one point in the past
nubbins`: wait, no, that was tom brazda's advice
mircea_popescu: "The only reason that John Delorean avoided a long term prison sentence is that Hustler publisher Larry Flynt was able to obtain tapes showing not only that the drug trafficking idea was invented and proposed by the US government, but that both the cocaine and the money were provided FBI, and most importantly, that John Delorean told the undercover agents that he wasn’t interested and begged to be let go — the tape
mircea_popescu: s show the agents actually threatening to kill John Delorean’s daughter if he didn’t proceed with the drug deal. It should also be noted that Larry Flynt was briefly imprisoned for contempt of court for revealing this information."
mircea_popescu: where's these tapes then ?
mircea_popescu: "At age forty, he was almost single-handedly responsible for the popularity of female genital modification, which, largely due to his promotion of it, had moved out of the fetish scene and become a lucrative business for cosmetic surgeons.
mircea_popescu: While many outsiders disapproved of Todd’s methods and highly sexual lifestyle, the vast majority of Todd’s clients — all consensual of course — spoke extremely highly of him and were very happy with the work he’d done on them."
Vexual: you wanna see coked out flappy birds?
assbot: HUSTLER PUBLISHER TELLS JUDGE DELOREAN TAPE WAS A FAKE - NYTimes.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1FO57Yq )
nubbins`: true flynt style
nubbins`: Under questioning from James Walsh, an Assistant United States Attorney, Mr. Flynt said he got the tape from a mystery man he identified only as ''the samurai.''
mircea_popescu: somehow the bme people don't seem to have heard of this tho.
nubbins`: hahaha
nubbins`: mircea_popescu dem blinders
mircea_popescu: "John Delorean recently died destitute, having failed to bring his dream car back to market.
mircea_popescu: That brings us to piercer and cutter Todd Bertrang, a regular BME contributor that was first profiled in PFIQ magazine."
nubbins`: larratt was a whitewasher like no other
mircea_popescu: slightly dishonest, aite
mircea_popescu: here's a picture of a cute cat. this brings us to your daugther. she's a slut.
mircea_popescu: "Ask yourselves: how far would you compromise your ethics for $20 million? That’s an amount of money so high that you’d be able to fulfill all your dreams and live in luxury for the rest of your life. At how many million dollars does your cracking point lie?"
mircea_popescu: dude... gtfo. a) 20mn isn't even a house. b) investment is investment. they're not gifting him 20mn.
mircea_popescu: i need 20mn in loans like i need another glass of water. if i want it i'll get it myself.
nubbins`: nevermind that this family can't fly back to egypt but will pay $20mn to cut off some flaps
nubbins`: the number of people who cared when bertrang was arrested? epsilon
mircea_popescu: "And then, before letting him decide whether or not he’d actually make such an ethical compromise, in late 2002 the FBI raided his house, and Todd Bertrang and his girlfriend Robyn have been in prison ever since. No real evidence was ever presented against them, and no trial was ever held. Virtually no one stood up to defend Todd, and even those who supported of him cowered cautiously, fearing that they would be next
mircea_popescu: . Robyn was threatened with the loss of her daughter, and eventually the two of them, being told they would be spending the rest of their lives in prison should they plead not guilty, chose to make a false confession on a variety of charges in exchange for reduced time."
nubbins`: entrapment or not
nubbins`: iirc, the whole "mods" vs "practicing medicine w/o license" thing was a BIG DEAL in the usa at the time
nubbins`: guy was destined for jail either way
mircea_popescu: "Felon in Possession of a Firearm
mircea_popescu: Alright, that one is probably legitimate, although Todd claims that it’s more a matter of confusion and not being told that it was an issue — thanks to America’s lax laws on gun purchases, no red flags showed up when he bought a handgun for home protection and he never considered at the time it was a problem."
Vexual: !bait
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha. top kek.
mircea_popescu: NOW we find out the guy had priors ?
mircea_popescu: kinda late.
assbot: DEL CODE § 1114A : Delaware Code - Section 1114A: TONGUE-SPLITTING; CLASS A MISDEMEANOR; CLASS B MISDEMEANOR; CLASS G FELONY; ADDITIONAL CIVIL PENALTIES ... ( http://bit.ly/1FO5EcT )
mircea_popescu: and conveniently not mentioned.
mircea_popescu: i'ma assume it's rape, assault with a deadly weapon, three counts of arson and some insurance fraud
nubbins`: "Tongue-splitting in the first degree is a class A misdemeanor." heh
Vexual: armless fun then
mircea_popescu: "(c) Any person found guilty of a second or subsequent violation of this section is guilty of a class G felony for such second or subsequent offense."
mircea_popescu: anyway, tongue's a pretty dangerous infection spot.
nubbins`: in fact, tongue heals itself remarkably quickly
nubbins`: the biggest danger with tongue splittings is having them.... unsplit
nubbins`: if you DO get an infection, yes, your head's a terrible place to get one
nubbins`: but happens much less often than you'd think
mircea_popescu: everything happens a lot more than people who don't think think.
nubbins`: hey, i said than YOU'D think.
nubbins`: tu, not vous 8)
nubbins`: consider how quickly your tongue healed the last time you bit it hard enough to draw blood and oaths
Vexual: tongue bar is an insurance risk anyway you look at it
nubbins`: dem chipped teeth
nubbins`: quickest piercings to heal tho
nubbins`: again, because the tongue is designed to heal incredibly quickly
nubbins`: !up Vexual
nubbins`: ugh, all i get on youtube now are ads for QuadrigaCX
nubbins`: *is ads
nubbins`: BREAKING: RNC Chief Bill Janes has ordered an internal investigation into the leak of an email written by the officer who shot Don Dunphy in Mitchells Brook last week
nubbins`: lel.
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Vexual: make ya lisp too
nubbins`: guy sends an email to EVERY EMPLOYEE of the police force and we're surprised it got out?
nubbins`: Vexual Common Lisp, tho, or Scheme?
Vexual: whatvea
assbot: Don Dunphy case: RNC investigating leak of officer's email - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1FO6I0q )
nubbins`: the email in question can be viewed here, in case anyone's wondering how a cop would try to whitewash a murder to his colleagues: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/rnc-officer-who-shot-don-dunphy-wishes-better-intervention-possible-1.3027828
assbot: RNC officer who shot Don Dunphy wishes better intervention possible - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1FO6N42 )
Vexual: i get enuff spam thanks
Vexual: not imma start ignoring dan murphy offer, thanks a lot
Vexual: im assuming the police email it poorly written, is that racist?
Vexual: or do i must read it?
Vexual: ive vexed myself now
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell BingoBoingo qntsideration : http://dpaste.com/2VQ0JX4.txt
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell cazalla and yours! http://dpaste.com/0SGW1HY.txt
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: that cop is pretty fucked.
pete_dushenski: "i wish i didn't have a kill a dude for writing a tweet"
pete_dushenski: "but there was obviously no other way to shut him up"
nubbins`: he sure is
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pete_dushenski: wow spieth made $1.8 mn yesterday. nb for a 21 yo.
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pete_dushenski: and rose failing to get up and down on 18 cost him what... $300k ?
pete_dushenski: dat inflation i tell ya, a major was maybe a cool million 10 years ago
pete_dushenski: ^golf tawk for curious log readers
pete_dushenski: i really don't follow it anymore but happened to catch the last hole of the tournament at the health club yesterday
nubbins` seriously considers putting all of roomie's possessions out on the sidewalk
nubbins`: it actually bothers me more, the closer it gets to the end of the money
nubbins`: *month
nubbins`: money too tho, heh.
pete_dushenski: you gonna toss his plastic cutting boards to the curb ?
nubbins`: he doesn't own any cutting boards
pete_dushenski: "An examination of its tail may reveal whether the father or the mother was keeping those eggs warm, offering new clues about the social lives of those dinosaurs. It may also reveal where feathers came from, since oviraptors didn't fly and aren't that closely related to the dinosaurs that gave rise to birds, Persons added. "This tells us that in fact complex feathers first originated not for flight or for glidin
pete_dushenski: g, but for socials or sexual displays." "
pete_dushenski: ^in fact!
nubbins`: birds, the sexiest dinosaurs of all
pete_dushenski: such science these paleotards
nubbins` wanders off to calm down
pete_dushenski: though i suppose it's not an unreasonable assumption to say that feathers were +ev for mating before anything else, calling it 'a fact' is a bit loose
pete_dushenski: meh i nitpick.
nubbins`: maybe he meant to say "in theory"
nubbins`: or "hypothetically"
nubbins`: or "anecdotal evidence seems to suggest"
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nubbins`: after all, what is the plural of anecdote if not fact?
nubbins`: besides, pete, how you gonna get those sweet research bucks if you're not claiming facts?
pete_dushenski: i wonder who funds research into dinofeathers
pete_dushenski: shell ? gov ?
pete_dushenski: or just old doods who made a buck along the way and think that dinosaurs are neato
pete_dushenski: perhaps wishing that someone would care that much about their old bones someday
nubbins`: brb jazz cig
nubbins`: pete_dushenski probably universities who say "hey, this researcher is interested in X, and if he publishes some papers, we get $Y"
nubbins`: "this is totally Z!"
nubbins`: cut the cloth you have in front of you, or w/e the fuck
nubbins`: not like the lead researcher is gonna produce a paper worth shitting on if they don't care what the research is about :D
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assbot: the button ... ( http://bit.ly/1HkbDrV )
pete_dushenski: 'you must log in'
pete_dushenski: "Amazon Echo is designed around your voice. It's always on—just ask for information, music, news, weather, and more. Echo begins working as soon as it detects the wake word."
pete_dushenski: "add gelato to my shopping list"
jurov: ;;isup trilema.com
gribble: trilema.com is down
pete_dushenski: "wikipedia: abraham lincoln"
jurov: mircea_popescu: ^ same here since yest
pete_dushenski: "turn off the lights"
ben_vulpes: "echo: produce me a steak"
ben_vulpes: jurov: there's fallout from the fetlife brouhaha
ben_vulpes: dc nulled trilema's ip
williamdunne: ben_vulpes: fetlife?
pete_dushenski: of note, i never say "turn off the lights" but rather "close the lights"
pete_dushenski: the french "ferme les lumieres" has gibbled my english
chetty: whos coming to the conf that I can twist their arm for a favor?
ben_vulpes: whatcha need, chetty?
pete_dushenski: williamdunne: it's in the logs
ben_vulpes: !s fetlife
assbot: 41 results for 'fetlife' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fetlife
williamdunne: !s fetlife
assbot: 41 results for 'fetlife' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fetlife
ben_vulpes: williamdunne: see above
williamdunne: Thanks
chetty: some kelp/iodine tablets :)
assbot: Amazon.com: Now Foods Kelp, 150mcg of Natural Iodine, 200 Tablets: Health & Personal Care ... ( http://bit.ly/1zahTvo )
pete_dushenski: i dunno why anyone would want to talk to a computer instead of type into it
ben_vulpes: it's not a computer, pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: what else are they doing around their house that's occupying their hands ? changing diapers ?
ben_vulpes: it's the foooooooture
chetty: yup ben_vulpes something like that would be perfect :)
ben_vulpes: you got it chetty
chetty: my hero :)
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: i'll be damned if i let 7 microphones connected to teh cloud in ma house
assbot: Page not found on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zai89E )
williamdunne: Sorry.*
williamdunne: *This URL has been excluded from the Wayback Machine.*
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pete_dushenski: echo makes it even easier to end up like that dead canadian tweeter
assbot: Kurdish Peshmerga Send IS Flying - IS SVBIED Goes Airborne And Explodes In Mid-Air | Iraq War 2015 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zai9dM )
ben_vulpes: lol mats how'd they get that truck so high up in the air?
mats: IED
mats: prob a 50 pound charge
ben_vulpes: so the IED truck drove over an IED, blasted off like team rocket and then assploded at apogee?
mats: yup
ben_vulpes: goodness.
pete_dushenski: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2015#1099372 << now we know that mircea_popescu really -did- build 'stakeoilets' in his bathrooms
assbot: Logged on 13-04-2015 13:36:52; mircea_popescu: women are slightly vulnerable to bad bathrooms, but slightly. you're a guy, you don't have a problem there. what are you going to catch, rabies ?
TheNewDeal: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 351969 | Current Difficulty: 4.944639068824144E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 352799 | Next Difficulty In: 830 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 1 hour, 24 minutes, and 5 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47894617759.2 | Estimated Percent Change: -3.13829
TheNewDeal: anyone ever seen a calculation for typical statistical two week step for a difficulty change at flat hashrate?
ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu re: parasitronic thread: http://www.linear.com/solutions/1218 << example
assbot: Solutions - LTC3588-1 3.3V Fluorescent (Electric Field) Energy Harvester ... ( http://bit.ly/1OsoMAY )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ascii_field: http://www.linear.com/solutions/5153 << further examples from that vendor. there are others, and it is entirely possible to achieve the effect with discrete components
assbot: Solutions - LTC3331 Charging a Battery with Harvested Energy ... ( http://bit.ly/1OsoVo9 )
ascii_field: (basic boojum of 'harvested' energy from heat, small photovoltaic, vibration, etc. is that current is small, voltage varies wildly, and polarity also fluctuates)
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: wat
pete_dushenski: $5k glasses of wine and bubbly ?
ascii_field: and where is the attached golden toilet bill for crapping it out once eaten ?
ascii_field: (can we safely assume that golden toilet in this restaurant charges per-kg ?)
pete_dushenski: still looking..
pete_dushenski: and as far as waitering goes, $7,328.20 seems pretty, pretty, pretty sweet
assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1ykojNm )
ascii_field: where'd this come from, anyway
pete_dushenski: ascii_field: ahem. reddit.
ascii_field: and who said homo redditus was poor, aha
pete_dushenski: 'this is what rich people do' or somesuch being the title
pete_dushenski: ah, no claim was made to ownership, merely 'o lookie here'
ascii_field will one day complete his mars lander and see alive what 'rich people do'
pete_dushenski: because money is unfair
pete_dushenski: ascii_field: well, you're going to the conference so...
pete_dushenski: you might imagine mystery, but you know full well!
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: i went to c2 also
pete_dushenski: ascii_field: i recall this well as these are the source of the only pictures i've ever seen of you
ascii_field is not especially interesting to look at and tends to avoid having picture taken when possible
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Can you please rewrite without the first paragraph footnotes being footnotes in the first paragraph?
pete_dushenski: ascii_field: nonsense. there's no such thing as someone who isn't interesting to look at.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: ayup. brb
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Thanks.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: The information is useful to include, the method of using first paragraph footnotes weirds up the first page though.
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BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: ty
BingoBoingo: scoopbot -fetch
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: wunderbar
pete_dushenski: gotta keep that place fresh!
pete_dushenski: "Note: To stall core development 6 years after inception is perhaps the stupidest thing anyone has ever recommended in the history of time." << because 'sapien' knows all the histories nao ?
assbot: Olivier Janssens: Bitcoin Floundation Out Of Money, Hates Transparency | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1ykqCzV )
BingoBoingo: Just woke up and getting to the news digging
pete_dushenski: !up ascii_field
pete_dushenski: ascii_field: how is it that you have asciilifeform !up you sometimes ?
pete_dushenski: remote access to keys ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66378 @ 0.00029535 = 19.6047 BTC [-]
assbot: The NSA wants tech companies to give it 'front door' access to encrypted data | The Verge ... ( http://bit.ly/1FCHAH6 )
pete_dushenski: it's 1990 all over again
trinque: same thing happened with the patriot act
trinque: written and proposed long before it actually passed
trinque: they'll ram this through the same way if it takes 30 years
trinque: though I wouldn't be surprised if they pass something this year
pete_dushenski: ^sounds like a bitbet!
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trinque: heh, mere speculation
williamdunne: trinque: Would front door not suggest that its easier to enter than simply a back door?
trinque: williamdunne: NSA proposes they become keybase.io for all encrypted communications
williamdunne: trinque: except with NSAbase.io you *have* to give them your keys
trinque: indeed
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trinque: so what of encryption done on airgapped networks?
trinque: this implies a requirement that encryption be done on internet-connected machines
trinque: I guess it doesn't if the NSA keys are bolted into every system made
trinque: it's hard to fathom precisely what they propose here
trinque: probably something like "uh... we need access to all the iPhones"
williamdunne: trinque: I would imagine they either a) want flawed PRNG or b) want all encryption to be done to the recipients key and the NSA's golden key
trinque: williamdunne: sure, then they want to monitor all communications in order to enforce this requirement (nothing new, but brings it into the "open")
williamdunne: trinque: I suppose we should be thankful that the GPG developer is in Germany
ben_vulpes: williamdunne: that guy has nothing to do with anything
ben_vulpes: gpg 1.4 is the only gpg to use.
ben_vulpes: and will remain that way until someone in la serenissima gets fed up and rewrites it.
mats: not so complicated, cert. store and USG owns a master key
mats: flawed PRNG, borked constants, etc, would be a hard sell
mats: oh, thats what i get for not reading the article
williamdunne: !up ascii_field
lobbes: <ben_vulpes> gpg 1.4 is the only gpg to use << oy, so my privkey isn't as private as I thought? I feel like I'm always realizing I'm using the borked versions of all the things
lobbes: !s gpg 1.4
assbot: 1 results for 'gpg 1.4' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gpg+1.4
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: how is it that you ... << perlscript, nothing remarkable
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: remote access to keys ? << not as such
funkenstein_: speaking of which i was going to ask you guys if gpg needs ecdsa support
ascii_field: funkenstein_: why?!
TheNewDeal: did trilema migrate?
funkenstein_: so one could use a bitcoin key for gpg privkey
funkenstein_: ascii_field, for some reason i was unable to ask myself that simple question thanks :P
funkenstein_: there are multiple DSAs, seems like it is supposed to be extensible
ascii_field: funkenstein_: so one could use a bitcoin key for gpg privkey << i am still at a loss as to why one might wish to do this..
funkenstein_: for example, i could check your pubkey and send you coin
funkenstein_: i mean, it saves the step of you signing an address
lobbes: did trilema migrate? << I, too, have not been able to load it today
funkenstein_: which isn't much advantage i guess
ascii_field: funkenstein_> for example, i could check your pubkey and send you coin << you can do that now. create addr, fill it, send over proper pgp
ascii_field: *send its privkey over
funkenstein_: hmm yeah
funkenstein_: well why are there multiple DSAs in gpg?
BingoBoingo: Historical artifacts
funkenstein_: yeah i guess there is no need to make it crufiter
funkenstein_: gpg --sign-tx
funkenstein_: gpg --get-me-a-pizza
funkenstein_: sometimes people like to use gpg for key management
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: the 'key management' is, imho, a crudfest and Must Die (TM)
funkenstein_: you mean like the lifetimes and whatnot?
ascii_field: like it having any state at all
funkenstein_: the keys have to live somewhere on disk
ascii_field: keys yes
ascii_field: but operator should select path on file system and give, e.g., destination pubkey for a ciphergram, as operand on commandline.
ascii_field: ditto the key expiration thing
ascii_field: it is mostly worthless as presently implemented
ascii_field: (e.g., can i tell gpg 'this key is now expired but existing signatures remain valid until heat death of universe' ? afaik no)
funkenstein_: i agree but i thought that was cause i haven't been using it long enough
ascii_field: ^ and yes this doesn't exist because it is not physically possible to implement it as a hard guarantee (why is an exercise for the reader)
ascii_field: but to my eye this is a reason to dispense with the 'expiration' and other nebulous 'meta' entirely.
mircea_popescu: !up WoIf`
mircea_popescu: ascii_field yeah, it is an example.
assbot: Logged on 13-04-2015 15:53:31; nubbins`: consider how quickly your tongue healed the last time you bit it hard enough to draw blood and oaths
mircea_popescu: !up Michail1
Michail1: Anyone have a suggestion on if arch or debian is better suited for pogoplug? recommendation?
trinque: dunno why one or the other would be best suited
trinque: depends mostly on whether you have a working kernel config
mircea_popescu: kinda intended to be neutral iirc.
ascii_field: Michail1: what is the machine used for? for instance, if as a blunt weapon, than a length of chain is preferably to debian -and- arch
ascii_field: *preferable
trinque: lol
mircea_popescu: ascii_field the pogoplug ? it's used to run the bitcoin node
Michail1: intended to be used only as a full node.
ascii_field: Michail1: then neither
Michail1: thanks.
ascii_field: build own linux. instructions can be found in the log.
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 513 @ 0.00459438 = 2.3569 BTC [+]
trinque: !s buildroot
assbot: 63 results for 'buildroot' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=buildroot
mircea_popescu: he's still gonna start offa something. iirc danielpbarron had instructions from arch ? or was it debian ?
Michail1: Thanks. As I was converting the plug, I discovered that both builds were listed/suggested, but wanted to know if there was a reason to choose one over the other. Hell, I will just make one of each since there is no compelling reason to do one over the other.
ascii_field: the original cookbook used arch.
trinque: http://blog.qnology.com/2014/07/hacking-pogoplug-v4-series-4-and-mobile.html << I also found this helpful as a general guide to putting a linux on the thing.
assbot: Qui's techNOLOGY Blog: Hacking the Pogoplug v4 (Series 4 and Mobile) with Linux (Debian or Arch) ... ( http://bit.ly/1zawNBG )
trinque: Michail1: ^
trinque: as far as which distro, it's just a matter of preference; nothing in one or the other will rule out operating on the pogo
Michail1: Thanks. That is the one I used; however, that one is more geared to debian although I did arch. Also, that link doesn't tell you that booting from the USB3 ports doesn't work (costing me an hour).
mats: recent versions of debian and arch have systemd fwiw
ascii_field: Michail1: i have a 'buildroot' config published, that yields a minimal linux for pogov4.
ascii_field: it is not difficult to build. well worth it.
mircea_popescu: "For Mr. Dunphy, we were simply too late — but that doesn't mean we stop forging ahead into hopelessness, anguish and despair with the view of creating betterment, safety and wellbeing for the citizens we serve."
mircea_popescu: dude this guy should be shot already.
mircea_popescu: fucktards.
ascii_field: what even.
Michail1: ascii_field - published ehere?
mircea_popescu: some idiot canadian murderer for hire thinks that working for the prime minister allows him to not only shoot random people
mircea_popescu: but also shoot the fact that he's a murderer for hire shooting people.
assbot: Logged on 13-04-2015 16:31:45; pete_dushenski: such science these paleotards
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Didn't you hear? He has popular mandate!
mircea_popescu: yeah, right.
mircea_popescu: it's quite obvious executions will be required, and en masse. just saying it now so people don't start pestering me with concerns once we're in a position to do it, like they did last fucking time around.
mircea_popescu: no, shooting the "dictatorial couple" is neither here nor there. shooting ^ that guy is the point.
danielpbarron: Michail1, i have bitcoind working on Arch; when i tried it on debian i ran into problems relating it not being a "static" build
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
williamdunne: !up ascii_field
danielpbarron: height=322036 vs height=222926
assbot: Logged on 13-04-2015 17:14:08; jurov: mircea_popescu: ^ same here since yest
ascii_field: '"Although I cannot regret my actions last Sunday, I unequivocally wish I could have visited Mr. Dunphy at a point in his life where another level of intervention may have been possible," the officer wrote in the email, obtained by CBC News.'
ascii_field: mega-l0ltr0n!
assbot: Logged on 13-04-2015 17:17:50; pete_dushenski: i dunno why anyone would want to talk to a computer instead of type into it
ascii_field for what it's worth expects to be killed in some variation on this theme
mircea_popescu: roughly speaking, the dwim dweeb crowd.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i would hope that if you point a gun at some idiot govt agent, you a) it's not a rifle indoors ; b) it's not a 22 caliber etc.
mircea_popescu: i'd say i hope you shoot them, but then again you're not muscle so.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: don't forget the basic formula here
ascii_field: there needn't be any of these props involved
ascii_field: the rifle will be placed on the corpse by the police dept. at their leisure, etc.
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williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Seems to me that being able to use voice commands could have limited usage for mundane tasks, so they can be performed without distraction from what you are actually trying to do
mircea_popescu: williamdunne it's a psychological thing dood. there's a large swath of imbeciles pretending like they're using computers.
mircea_popescu: the welfare governments wish to cultivate this pretense.
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Do you not think it would be useful to be able to set a reminder without leaving your text editor? This is the sort of mundane task I was thinking of (certainly not enough to spark any sort of industry)
TheNewDeal: !down TheNewDeal
assbot: Logged on 13-04-2015 17:20:03; williamdunne: *This URL has been excluded from the Wayback Machine.*
assbot: The Fetlife Meatlist - Volume II on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zayj6R )
mircea_popescu: the way back machine apparently sucks. good to know
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: fetlife has told the wayback-machine to drop your blog post
ascii_field: iirc it is directly usg-affiliated.
mircea_popescu: alexa iirc.
mircea_popescu: ie, amazon
trinque: williamdunne: keybindings, not voice commands
trinque: learn ya a proper window manager like stumpwm
williamdunne: wayback-machine does all sorts of derpy things, like it uses the current robots.txt rather than the historical robots.txt at the time of publication.
williamdunne: trinque: I'll have a look at it, I just like the idea of saying "remind me to get food out of the oven in 20" while in the middle of doing something that might actually matter
trinque: williamdunne: if being able to do that requires shipping an audio file of my every command to google, I'll pass
trinque: the speech-to-text maybe not; parsing and interpeting what's said, surely
williamdunne: trinque: guess it depends on the amount of functionality, doesn't seem like it would require to much to cover a fairly large number of commands
trinque: program launcher bound to key, pick a reminder proggie, keybinding to add reminder, type stuff, <enter>
trinque: should take less than 10 sec
lobbes: or egg timer for oven related tasks ;/
assbot: Saudi Arabia's Plan to Extend the Age of Oil - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1zazKCx )
mats: "In 2005, when a book by oil analyst Matthew Simmons predicted a drop-off in Saudi output would signal that global supplies were beginning an irreversible decline, Naimi belittled the claims and promised higher production capacity. He won the argument. The Saudis pump more today than a decade ago." heh.
mircea_popescu: heh. the saudis are stuck. sitting on a pile of non renewable resources is only valuable if the resources are still relevant.
mircea_popescu: crushing obama is obviously worth "all the oil" to them
mircea_popescu: funny who the us allies in the midwest are.
assbot: Logged on 13-04-2015 17:43:05; TheNewDeal: anyone ever seen a calculation for typical statistical two week step for a difficulty change at flat hashrate?
williamdunne: The calculation wouldn't change regardless of hashrate change would it?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2015#1099877 << nothing quite beats washing down 20 dollar potato salad and 40 dollar "chunk of parmesan" with 10k magnum cristal.
assbot: Logged on 13-04-2015 18:05:10; pete_dushenski: http://i.imgur.com/7tk7oK8.png
mircea_popescu: who are the gypsies in question ?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: they're as yet unknown to me
mircea_popescu: !up Asenath
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pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: any word back from fortune ?
ben_vulpes: <williamdunne> mircea_popescu: Do you not think it would be useful to be able to set a reminder without leaving your text editor? This is the sort of mundane task I was thinking of (certainly not enough to spark any sort of industry)
ben_vulpes: << your text editor doesn't handle reminders etc?
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: yours does ?
assbot: Setting up appointment reminders in Org - sacha chua :: living an awesome life ... ( http://bit.ly/1CI0jPD )
assbot: GNU Emacs Manual: Appointments ... ( http://bit.ly/1CI0kD6 )
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: yes.
pete_dushenski: huh neat trick
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williamdunne: ben_vulpes: thanks for those links, I'll look into that
ben_vulpes: heh i don't really expect you to just start using emacs
williamdunne: ben_vulpes: If I had a reason to change, I might. I've been meaning to look into it for a while
williamdunne: "Did you know that the average tax return so far for 2015 is $3,539! What would, or will, you do with that hard earned money the government so graciously returned to you after borrowing it at 0% interest?"
williamdunne: (AmagiMetals)
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assbot: The usefulness of idiots. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1O7wHSh )
pete_dushenski: aite, that done, time to go for a walk.
mats: many folks got free money this year
mats: 'Earned Income Tax Credit'
jurov: as "free money" i tend to imagine something other
assbot: Google Discussiegroepen ... ( http://bit.ly/1O7BH9I )
lobbes: re: tax idiocy. There are towns where I live that feel fit to tax income on residents that make their money out-of-town.
lobbes: Of course they don't tell you this when you move into these municipalities, thus leaving many fucked a few years down the line with interest, et al
mats: and you can't tell them to fuck off if you live out of state?
lobbes: ah, but these aren't even state taxes. 'Local Tax'
williamdunne: lobbes: The USG does the same on foreign earned income.. when you neither live nor work in the US
jurov: "Finally, some people conflate the idea of a global transition from plain HTTP to HTTPS as a move by CA's to make more money. They might argue that first, we need to get rid of CA's or provide an alternative path for obtaining certificates. I disagree. Switching from plain HTTP to HTTPS is step one. Step two might include adding more avenues for establishing trust and authentication."
lobbes: 'the time for plaintext is over' l0l
jurov: step 3: PROFIT!!!
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jurov: "If you actually go to read the details of the proposal rather than relying only on the headline, you'd find that there is an intent to actually let you continue to use http for, e.g., localhost."
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jurov: lulzmine
trinque: "let you" << LOL?
trinque: yeah.. like portland's fucking "art tax"
trinque: damn it; I was scrolled up :p
trinque: lobbes: ^
lobbes: art..tax?
lobbes: oh god
trinque: yeah, you know, to support... art... for the children (?)
trinque: precursor to a portland income tax, I guarantee it
assbot: FAQs | Arts Tax | The City of Portland, Oregon ... ( http://bit.ly/1aXHvGC )
lobbes: "If due, the Arts Tax is $35 per person"
trinque: totally not a poll tax, because it doesn't count if you make less than 1000/yr
lobbes: ha
trinque: this country is full of imbeciles
williamdunne: trinque: I was led to believe it was for the disabled gay orphaned puppies
williamdunne: (who need artwork)
trinque: I'm sure it is
trinque: so they can finger (paw?) paint
trinque: but more importantly to spin up a new bureaucracy that can handle taking an income tax in
trinque: "The practical effect of the tax is to tax income of certain City residents within a certain income range and is therefore not a poll or head tax." LOL
trinque: how bout a tax on everyone with arms
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mircea_popescu: mmkay ima be going through the log here.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2015#1099891 << on the basis of that bill i'd say the six in question are poor.
assbot: Logged on 13-04-2015 18:10:52; ascii_field: and who said homo redditus was poor, aha
mircea_popescu: !up kdomanski
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32556 @ 0.0002887 = 9.3989 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Logged on 13-04-2015 18:30:28; pete_dushenski: "Note: To stall core development 6 years after inception is perhaps the stupidest thing anyone has ever recommended in the history of time." << because 'sapien' knows all the histories nao ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2015#1099930 << in 30 years the "tech companies" will be exactly like the janissary corps. a very expensive pretense.
assbot: Logged on 13-04-2015 18:49:07; trinque: they'll ram this through the same way if it takes 30 years
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2015#1099941 << derps don't even want to think about separate nets.
assbot: Logged on 13-04-2015 18:53:12; trinque: this implies a requirement that encryption be done on internet-connected machines
assbot: Logged on 13-04-2015 18:59:08; ben_vulpes: and will remain that way until someone in la serenissima gets fed up and rewrites it.
assbot: Logged on 13-04-2015 19:33:30; ascii_field: pete_dushenski: how is it that you ... << perlscript, nothing remarkable
assbot: Logged on 13-04-2015 19:35:44; TheNewDeal: did trilema migrate?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2015#1099969 << idem. provisioning servers takes a while apparently.
assbot: Logged on 13-04-2015 19:39:06; lobbes: did trilema migrate? << I, too, have not been able to load it today
assbot: Logged on 13-04-2015 19:45:59; ascii_field: like it having any state at all
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20022 @ 0.00028813 = 5.7689 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: if only we had a bitcoin host already ;/
assbot: Logged on 13-04-2015 20:57:40; pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: any word back from fortune ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2015#1100114 << imo the entire "obamacare is a tax not a fine, but a fine not a tax, but the irs can't go after you except if they owe you tax returns" has been mostly an exercise in "we don't wanna pay tax returns anymore".
assbot: Logged on 13-04-2015 21:34:15; williamdunne: "Did you know that the average tax return so far for 2015 is $3,539! What would, or will, you do with that hard earned money the government so graciously returned to you after borrowing it at 0% interest?"
mircea_popescu: which a desperate govt would be doing, obviously. and so... one way or another...
williamdunne: But USG spending is so stable? Hence why they keep growing year on year.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2015#1100127 << this will become the norm as senenissima continues to wipe out tax receipts across the world.
assbot: Logged on 13-04-2015 22:18:42; lobbes: re: tax idiocy. There are towns where I live that feel fit to tax income on residents that make their money out-of-town.
williamdunne: (they being the collective employees of the USG)
mircea_popescu: they only exist because of the expenditure. how would it not grow ?
assbot: Logged on 13-04-2015 22:21:13; jurov: "Finally, some people conflate the idea of a global transition from plain HTTP to HTTPS as a move by CA's to make more money. They might argue that first, we need to get rid of CA's or provide an alternative path for obtaining certificates. I disagree. Switching from plain HTTP to HTTPS is step one. Step two might include adding more avenues for establishing trust and authentication."
mircea_popescu: yes, the time for plaintext is over, but because wots and so on, not because pki.
mircea_popescu: pki isn't even a thing anymore. i don't use it, for instance.
jurov: i quoted that mainly because of the planning
mircea_popescu: it's lulzy ill grant you that
jurov: step 1. make utter mess step 2. whatever
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2015#1100149 << how about "an arts tax to support the artsy sorts of dumb bitches with etsy accounts ? $35, includes two mandatory blowjobs / year from any female wearing the mandatory "I am an Etsy ho" bracelet, anklet or tramp stamp" ?
assbot: Logged on 13-04-2015 22:28:39; lobbes: "If due, the Arts Tax is $35 per person"
assbot: Logged on 13-04-2015 22:30:33; trinque: but more importantly to spin up a new bureaucracy that can handle taking an income tax in
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mats: heh, six people in the office had their tax returns stolen
mats: thanks Anthem!
mats: (also, can anyone explain why the IRS issues debit cards for refunds? i'm told they're "untraceable" by folks that spoke to LEOs regarding the matter)
mircea_popescu: lmao what do you mean untraceable.
mats: i have nfi
assbot: Linux-Kernel Archive: [GIT PULL] x86/asm changes for v4.1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1GEqP3X )
williamdunne: mats: Somehow I doubt that the IRS wouldn't track to whom they issue each card
assbot: How to fix rootpipe in Mavericks and call Apple's bullshit bluff about rootpipe fixes | Reverse Engineering Mac OS X ... ( http://bit.ly/1GErL8o )
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell mike_c plox to check your emails ty.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mike_c: email checked. thx.
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williamdunne: natmonitor.com/2015/04/12/man-kills-himself-in-front-of-u-s-capitol-building-holding-tax-the-one-percent-sign/
williamdunne: Probably a good use of the bullet
williamdunne: Didn't even do it on the right day
williamdunne: " Lawmakers were not around at the time, as Congress was out of session on spring break. They are expected to reconvene on Monday. "
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BingoBoingo: scoopbot -fetch
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asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> ... i thought you didn't like perl. << i dislike many things. but ripping out the perl won't put me any closer to victory, so it is $maxint down on the list of things-to-do...
asciilifeform: 'A man holding a sign protesting "social injustice" shot himself in front of the U.S. Capitol Building, causing a brief terrorism scare and a lockdown that has since been lifted. An unidentified man had a sign taped to his hand as well as a backpack and a rolling suitcase, the latter of which caused a bomb investigation, according to a New York Daily News report. The words that were on the sign were not revealed, although thos
asciilifeform: e who saw the sign said it had something to do with taxation. One report indicated that the sign said "tax the one percent," which he appeared to raise shortly before he shot himself. The bomb squad went through his bags as they investigated. They had clothes inside. Bridget Maley was with a friend on a tour of the Capitol when the lockdown happened, she told the NY Daily News, describing the atmosphere as "calm." The tour con
asciilifeform: tinued as usual, and her guide even went so far as to say that a lockdown wasn't an unusual occurrence.'
asciilifeform: ^ mega-l0l
asciilifeform: 'Hundreds of people were escorted out through an underground passageway to the Library of Congress. They waited near gift shops and inside a restaurant and were told to walk opposite of the Capitol.'
asciilifeform was about two blocks away but an hour or so too late to see these festivities
BingoBoingo: !up DigitalDayTrader
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danielpbarron: clinton?
BingoBoingo: Clinton has looked old for a long time
asciilifeform: heil clitler.
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ben_vulpes: not clintler?
ben_vulpes: or clitter?
asciilifeform: clitler
asciilifeform: (r) al schwartz 199somethingorother
felipelalli: hi! I have an idea. could you guys please tell me if this is a bad, more or less or good idea?
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ben_vulpes: felipelalli: i'll gladly shoot you down for the pleasure of it
ben_vulpes: jokes aside, "don't ask to ask, just ask"
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felipelalli: ahahah thanks ben_vulpes ok, but I think it could be a "book", so I'll write on pastebin and then paste here.
ben_vulpes: brevity is the soul of whatever etc
trinque: wit
asciilifeform: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2015#1099925 << do i need to explain what the resurrection of 'key escrow' idiocy from '90s (clinton's! to go right along with the new clinton!) means from the meta-nsa school of thought? or is it already obvious to aficionados
assbot: Logged on 13-04-2015 18:47:55; trinque: https://www.theverge.com/2015/4/12/8392769/nsa-front-door-access-encryption-key << "Front door" not "back door"! very comforting
ben_vulpes: felipelalli: generally you'll want to have the thing queued up to fire *before* talking about it
ben_vulpes: i don't edge with strangers
trinque: asciilifeform: at the very least passing something like that legitimizes surveillance as a means to verify compliance with the escrow system
felipelalli: ben_vulpes: sorry ben, my bad. :(
trinque: "well of course we have to watch the wire for terrorists using gpg!"
felipelalli: ben_vulpes: I was too excited.
asciilifeform: trinque: nope.
trinque: do tell
ben_vulpes: that's why *you're* supposed to be the one gasping on the brink
asciilifeform: think, why would usg make loud, public farts against 'iPnohe' and other products from usgtronics vendors which remain as porous as ever ?
trinque: asciilifeform: some kind of implication that they're secure *now*?
asciilifeform: algo went as follows: 1) snowden releases (whether one believes they were controlled or spontaneous does not matter for this recipe)
asciilifeform: 2) usg reaction. loud farts, but on psyop front, barrage of faux seeek000r1ty products
asciilifeform: e.g., iPnohe disk crypto, multi-coloured '$colourphones', etc
asciilifeform: 3) was to be the massive uptake by miscreant chumps, 4 - ???, and 5 - the proverbial 'profit!!11!!'
asciilifeform: but for some odd reason (3) did not happen.
felipelalli: ok, I'll try: I'd like to use OTC as a global "blacklist". But it is bad for that because a scammer won't create an account on OTC, or if his reputation is bad, he'll erase it. So we could create a "standard" like for example: br-8d255152 where "br" is the country code ISO and 8d255152 is the first 8 chars of SHA256 of user country document (in Brazil we call CPF and in Australia ID)
asciilifeform: so 4 is now 3, and 3 is now 3) 'ban' crypto
asciilifeform: felipelalli: your idea requires cooperation of known mortal enemies of all things good and bright
asciilifeform: ergo fail.
felipelalli: in this way, anyone could rate scammers and it would be useful for all services like exchanges and everything.
mats: bad. the friction exists in developing the identity, not burning it.
felipelalli: asciilifeform: why this requires cooperation? could you give an example?
asciilifeform: felipelalli: say i'm a scammer. i buy your passport scan from whoever owned 'mtgox' and use your code.
asciilifeform: you complain to $official. he says 'fuck you'
asciilifeform: (if you're lucky. if you're not, he has you shot for the things i did while 'i were you')
trinque: asciilifeform | 3) was to be the massive uptake by miscreant chumps << of the bunk crypto?
asciilifeform: trinque: yes.
asciilifeform: the 'redphone', etc. idiocy was not -planned- as a boondoggle requiring eternal injections of qe-tronium to function.
asciilifeform: it only turned into this because the folks on the subway (yes, it was advertised in d.c. subway!) really did not give half a rat's arse about crypto of -whatever- kind
asciilifeform: (do you know what it costs to advertise in every single car of the d.c. subway?)
trinque: this makes some sense
trinque: how would they pull off "crypto == terrorists" if no one understands the first term
ben_vulpes: provincia pagos sent my reciprocity fee system password in plaintext again
asciilifeform: my hypothesis has the appeal of being... testable.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: of course plaintext, l0l
ben_vulpes: and i can only be male or female?!
ben_vulpes: what kind of repression is this
trinque: not even multiple choice I wager... the barbarians!
williamdunne: felipelalli: I don't think your idea is that bad, but it would need to be more decentralized and based on WoT. For example asciilifeform might meet you in person and vouch that you are whom you say you are, and that your identity number is: 31231610
ben_vulpes: there was a select field
williamdunne: felipelalli: Its not all that new though, some other people working on something similarish
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asciilifeform: williamdunne: why rely on objects created by the enemy to use against us ?
asciilifeform: williamdunne: agents of usg can get a passport as legit as yours or mine, ten times every morning before breakfast.
decimation: asciilifeform: snowden could have been 'legitimate' and all of what you listed would also follow
asciilifeform: decimation: i specifically said that it does not matter where snowden came from, for this hypothesis
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 02:04:53; asciilifeform: algo went as follows: 1) snowden releases (whether one believes they were controlled or spontaneous does not matter for this recipe)
felipelalli: asciilifeform: thank you, good point, but it could be offset with the WoT where the ability to analyze a real document would be taken into account. williamdunne thank you! Nice to hear that! I was thinking about it for days! Do you know who are working on similar standard?
williamdunne: decimation: his point was that they're creating the illusion of security through colourful iphones
decimation: 'they'
asciilifeform: felipelalli: someone who is not a usg agent has no ability whatsoever to verify the legitimacy of any document but that of the most laughable fake
williamdunne: felipelalli: https://github.com/MrChrisJ/World-Citizenship by working on it I mean "thinking about it"
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trinque: asciilifeform: they're going to need a big false flag
williamdunne: felipelalli: read the issue section about making sure each person has but one identity
asciilifeform: so here's what's next per the hypothesis..
williamdunne: felipelalli: Not sure if its a good idea or not at this point, but interesting to think about. Very hard to prove we are the sole instance of ourselves
decimation: in the case of apple, I think it's quite likely they are honestly trying to make things secure, but are about as successful as all other 'tech' firms have been
decimation: compromised as they are by conflicting interests to sell their customers
asciilifeform: as the 'ban' thing unfolds, honeypots like zimmerman's which specifically sell on the point of 'l337 d00dz against nsa' will either a) quietly fade away b) somehow continue in what they presently are, in spite of supposed 'bans'
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what about crypto-signed documents?
trinque: decimation: I doubt US intelligence has zero assets inside apple
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: signed with what
felipelalli: williamdunne: very nice! thank you.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: key newed up on airgapped legacy machine
williamdunne: felipelalli: welcome
felipelalli: I know it is not perfect, but it could be useful in some situations. The point is just create that standard.
decimation: asciilifeform: note that zimmerman is largely trading on his rep 'earned' during the 'crypto wars'
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> felipelalli: someone who is not a usg agent has no ability whatsoever to verify the legitimacy of any document but that of the most laughable fake << asciilifeform re
felipelalli: and then "follow the WoT". If MtGox for example rates my "mirror user" br-8d255152 or "U.S. gov" rates that, no one trust them anyway.
trinque: asciilifeform: force ISPs to drop traffic not using a sanctioned key?
trinque: skip hte devices entirely
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: whose key ?
asciilifeform: any connection between the name claimed in the key and the piece of dead tree signed with it, is putative and unverifiable
asciilifeform: and the entire exercise is a mold-a-bullet-from-shit
ben_vulpes: i speak of an ascii blob i receive over whatever channel - is this not a document?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the original thread concerned traditional identity papers issued by, e.g., usg
felipelalli: ben_vulpes: so, supose you are a usg agent and everybody knows your ability, you rate 10 the user br-8d255152, even if that user had 20x -10, I'd trust in your rate. The point is just the standard. The WoT serves as a natural filter.
ben_vulpes: well color me unlogged
asciilifeform: and some bizarre notion of putting them to use in somehow creating trust out of the aether
asciilifeform: felipelalli: problem is that your oracle is a liar
asciilifeform: felipelalli: a usg agent is not a machine for verifying that this piece of paper contains the name my mother gave me. he is a machine for furthering the will of lizard hitler.
asciilifeform: if his reptilian majesty decrees that he should tell you 'no, this fella is a fraud, his real name is mark karpeles' he will do so.
felipelalli: i did not mean "usg agent", replace that by "specialist in documents"
asciilifeform: felipelalli: it isn't 1943
asciilifeform: there is no 'specialist in documents'.
trinque: felipelalli: what's wrong with gpg key as identity?
asciilifeform: there are folks with access to u.s. state dept. db, and folks without.
asciilifeform: and the former divide into folks with write-access, and folks without.
asciilifeform: trinque: this is a valuable thread - to illustrate the absurdity of even considering anything other than key as a reliable identity
asciilifeform: sadly, i suspect that even a thousand threads like this one will not suffice in hammering the point home to the thickest
asciilifeform: just as modern 'fire codes' did not exist until $bigint folks burned in fires inside barricaded garrets, etc
trinque: asciilifeform: hard to grasp how incorrectly one's been taught
trinque: say a fool staggers in and he wants to learn; where to even begin?
trinque: meaning no offense to felipelalli, he seems to not realize that his reverence for said govt official who names and numbers the people is a mystical belief
asciilifeform: reading the logs; reading sites such as mircea_popescu's; same as you and i did
trinque nods
felipelalli: trinque: I do not believe in any gov official. I am voluntaryist.
felipelalli: trinque: the "doc number" is just a way to identify a user globally, but could be another thing.
asciilifeform: felipelalli: so who issues the passports you were suggesting making use of ? god ?
danielpbarron: !s voluntaryism
assbot: 0 results for 'voluntaryism' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=voluntaryism
trinque: felipelalli: an observation about myself: cleaning out a headfull of shit takes time.
asciilifeform: !s martian bank
assbot: 4 results for 'martian bank' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=martian+bank
felipelalli: trinque: a "mirror derivated user" like br-8d255152 (deriveted from my doc) would be useful only as "INPUT". There is no output from br-8d255152. This is useful for make a blacklist of scammers that don't use OTC. It could be derivated from my full name, for example: "Felipe Micaroni Lalli"= br-89402f8d
asciilifeform: felipelalli: one not-inaccurate way to think about 'cipherpunkian' systems such as bitcoin or wot is as attempts to emulate a kind of incorruptible god
trinque: felipelalli: so then I lie about my name when I deal with you
asciilifeform: felipelalli: is it unclear to you why i have no reason whatsoever to add or subtract to my belief that this is your name, from hearing this ?
trinque: or whatever inputs create that identity hash thing
felipelalli: trinque: yes, this is the fail asciilifeformci rises with reason.
asciilifeform: felipelalli is still labouring under the burden of his old religion.
trinque: ^ what I put as the headful of shit
trinque: not easy to clean; going to need the powerful stuff
asciilifeform: if it were 1415, i say 'my name is xxxx' and 'name' in your head -means- 'what my new friend calls himself'
felipelalli: asciilifeform: ahaha no, that is not the point. Maybe you didn't understand my initial motivation for that.
asciilifeform: whereas today it means, to many, 'what he is called by usg'
felipelalli: asciilifeform: you didn't understand because I didn't say.
asciilifeform: felipelalli: you are labouring under the presumption that the ultimate arbiter of truth is that piece of paper
asciilifeform: if only it could somehow be gotten to in a 'fair' way, etc
williamdunne: asciilifeform: I think he is really just looking for a way to make sure that each person only carries one identity, and the best way he can think of is a passport
felipelalli: williamdunne: yes!
felipelalli: the only flaw in this idea is that there is no reliable way to identify someone only. I understand that. But if there were, could be very useful to create blacklists. Especially in Brazil where there are many scammers that exposes all of your personal life, and we know their real names, their documents etc.
trinque: impossible
trinque: felipelalli: the tool to apply is a WoT, but you can't force people to identify only once
williamdunne: It should be possible to make it more expensive to do so
felipelalli: can be impossible, indeed. I didn't mature the idea. Maybe it is true: it could be impossible.
trinque: it's akin to hoping no one ever lies again
trinque: the incentive to use one identity is that your cred builds upon that name
trinque: also should people find you using many alternate IDs, they can negrate all of them knowing this
trinque: it's social behavior that shouldn't be policed centrally.
asciilifeform: felipelalli, williamdunne: fella who stole, e.g., 'mtgox' db can do anything the 'legit' passport owners could do.
asciilifeform: ergo - checkmate.
asciilifeform: the idea is a crock of shit at the most fundamental possible level.
asciilifeform: it is, to use the ancient term of art, 'fractally wrong'
williamdunne: asciilifeform: hence my idea of doing in person verifications with people vouching for who you are
asciilifeform: williamdunne: no one can verify a u.s. passport (the folks who can - won't. because they are our enemies.)
trinque: williamdunne: who verifies?
trinque: who stores this data
asciilifeform: ditto any other passport or traditional document of identity.
decimation: note that historically passports were used to keep people from leaving
williamdunne: Who verifies the WoT? You just ignore those you don't trust
trinque: what's the point of the ID verification aside from gpg and the wot?
trinque: your connections on the wot and your ratings, and your pubkey *are* you
williamdunne: trinque: The idea is that people can do reputation exit-scams because they can just move on to new idents
williamdunne: I'm not saying its a good idea, I just think its interesting as an idea
trinque: and as they are found out they are buried in negrate
williamdunne: Indeed, but they move on
williamdunne: This is about stopping them from moving on
trinque: maybe someday you must maintain over a certain rating to deal in certain spheres of influence
asciilifeform: williamdunne: Who verifies the WoT? << no one but -you-, the user. and your experiences.
williamdunne: asciilifeform: That was the point I made;)
asciilifeform: this entire thread concerns something as ill-conceived as perpetuum mobile
trinque: there are societal benefits to maintaining good rating
asciilifeform: which attempts to extract energy from nothing
trinque: I mean... this is no different than life
asciilifeform: in much the same way, you cannot extract trustworthiness from the aether
trinque: *life without a WoT
felipelalli: asciilifeform: I am convinced the idea is broken at the point where you can not identify someone accurately. This could easily lead to injustice. But I will try more mature the idea. williamdunne raises a good point: if you follow the WoT, maybe someone is "good" or "trustful" to identify others.
trinque: the wot just makes it quantified
trinque: if I take a big shit in every business deal I'm ever a part of, I'll either outsmart everyone and win, or the shit's going to catch up to me
trinque: neither wots, cops or gods can prevent the former, and the latter's easier to do with a WoT
decimation: felipelalli: who spoke of justice?
decimation: what's a jury trial other than having your wot judge your actions?
decimation: or at least, the facts
williamdunne: A group of people you don't know without the full information deciding whether or not to lock you in a cage?
decimation: who else?
decimation: some distant bureaucrat?
williamdunne: The judge, the jury, and the exucutioner
felipelalli: decimation: I said injustice in the meaning of someone uses a fake ID to blacklist someone unduly, just that.
decimation: felipelalli: that's a fact for a jury to decide upon
felipelalli: well, thanks asciilifeform trinque decimation and williamdunne - I have to go take my wife, bye!
decimation: good evening
williamdunne: felipelalli: enjoy
trinque: felipelalli: have a nice eve
decimation: williamdunne: exactly, presumably the point of the jury was that they were able to judge the credibility of the witnesses because they knew them
decimation: as 'la wik' says: "Medieval juries were self-informing, in that individuals were chosen as jurors because they either knew the parties and the facts, or they had the duty to discover them. This spared the government the cost of fact-finding" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_trial#cite_ref-14
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asciilifeform: medieval juries also did not concern themselves with day-to-day idiocies.
decimation: nope. as the magna carta says: "For a trivial offence, a free man shall be fined only in proportion to the degree of his offence, and for a serious offence correspondingly, but not so heavily as to deprive him of his livelihood. In the same way, a merchant shall be spared his merchandise, and a husbandman the implements of his husbandry, if they fall upon the mercy of a royal court. None of these fines shall be imposed except by the
decimation: assessment on oath of reputable men of the neighbourhood."
trinque: makes me think of assembling someone's L1 to judge him someday
trinque: decimation: now they deprive you of your livelihood before you ever reach the courthouse
trinque: progress!
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williamdunne: But they don't just deprive you of your livelihood, they also strip you of your reputation and in many cases remove your ability to defend it.
decimation: and then they steal your "you were stole from"
felipelalli: asciilifeform: in the car I was thinking about a solution and I think I found it: what if the "derivated mirrored user" was just an ID of a social network like Facebook or Twitter? Before strike me, let me explain my motivation:
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mats: plz don't
felipelalli: ok, forget it.
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trinque: felipelalli: the WoT *is* the social network
trinque: think about it.
felipelalli: trinque: I know that. I am trying to convince the Brazilian community move to here, but it is being hard. The main community is still on Facebook.
mats: interfacing the real WoT with some federated, poorly implemented imitation is a recipe for disaster
mats: the br community doesn't deserve or want to be here, so don't bother
asciilifeform: what if the "derivated mirrored user" was just an ID of a social network like Facebook or Twitter? Before strike me, let me explain my motivation: << what if the 'derivated mirror food' was just a turd from the local public toilet, with spices such as mustard or ketchup? Before strike me, let me explain...
felipelalli: asciilifeform: ok :)
felipelalli: but it would be at least funny. I'd rate the president of Brazil, the "mirror" user "twitter-dilmabr" as -10 as "scammer!" for example.
decimation: felipelalli: understand that the 'us community' doesn't 'move to here' either
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felipelalli: decimation: you're right. But would be so cool and useful if I really could use WoT to things in day to day and not only in dreams.
trinque: that world may never have everyone in the WoT
trinque: and who cares?
felipelalli: trinque: not everyone, but at least the important people to me.
decimation: felipelalli: you have a wot not
decimation: you just haven't formalized it with crypto
felipelalli: decimation: yes, but no ones really knows me personally.
decimation: I mean, your friends in the flesh
felipelalli: yes, you say "WoT of real life" :)
trinque: felipelalli: if you want to say something about your president, put it in the deedbot
trinque: the point when saying something about a person of obvious identity is identifying the *author*, not him
asciilifeform: methinks felipelalli is expressing the traditional frustration of the 3 to 6 month n00b to #b-a:
trinque: everybody can easily find out who you mean
trinque: asciilifeform: I was utterly mindfucked for the majority of the time I first spent here
asciilifeform: that is: not being able to move to the flying sand castle quite yet.
felipelalli: trinque: it's true! deedbot solves the blacklist problem, I think.
asciilifeform: hydrogen can lift around 1 g / 1 L.
williamdunne: trinque: I was mindfucked for the past 12 months or so, but I didn't dive in and read blogs etc first
trinque: felipelalli: "this guy that uses these handles scammed me; here's the transaction on the blockchain, blah blah"
asciilifeform: so mircea_popescu's atomic dirigible has not very much room for friends
trinque: here's correspondance
asciilifeform: (if you want to be considered, my understanding is - be young and female)
trinque: I'll take a bunker
trinque: with some old laptops and cans of beans
asciilifeform: i'll take a tomb
asciilifeform: (counts as bunker? doesn't need laptop, l0l)
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trinque: asciilifeform: sure to be unpestered there, until the graveyard is paved
asciilifeform: in other, unrelated news,
asciilifeform: the house across from mine, was emptied by burglars last night.
decimation: were the criminals unknown to the victims?
trinque: guns, get 'em, love 'em
trinque: I'm sure I don't have to tell anyone here that
asciilifeform: burgle'em ?
trinque: nah bungle the burgle
decimation: eh, I'm not sure guns are the answer
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decimation: ultimately the answer is: don't live where the democratic police are in power
decimation: and I mean small 'd'
trinque: I think it's essential to know how to operate weapons no matter who is in power
trinque is off for a bit
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asciilifeform: http://i.imgur.com/EP3wwzA.jpg << policeman who told about this.
asciilifeform: mentioned that 'computers were stolen, no sign of break-in, perhaps insider'
asciilifeform: trinque: we have (for the most part) burglars here, rather than robbers. they wait until owner is out.
williamdunne: asciilifeform: I saw you tear the Entropy apart a-while-back, did they fix your main concerns?
williamdunne: !s mycelium
assbot: 62 results for 'mycelium' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=mycelium
asciilifeform: i neither expect a 'fix', nor give a damn
asciilifeform: when using serious crypto, i employ only rng constructed personally
asciilifeform: (it will be made available to others, in due time.)
asciilifeform: !s s.nsa
assbot: 388 results for 's.nsa' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=s.nsa
asciilifeform: several other folks here also use rng of own design and/or construction.
williamdunne: Oh sure, I'm definitely looking forward to your product - but also like paper wallets
asciilifeform: williamdunne: in case this was not clear - i do not design or build bitcoin wallets.
williamdunne: Yes I know
williamdunne: s.nsa is doing the USB GPG tool, correct?
asciilifeform: among other items
ben_vulpes: <trinque> asciilifeform: I was utterly mindfucked for the majority of the time I first spent here << heh i remember this
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