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mircea_popescu: "So, Hariezer is joking about the murder (its made clear later), but WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENING? These escalating friendship-tests feel contrived, reciprocity is effective when you don’t make demands immediately, which is why when you get a free sample at the grocery store the person at the counter doesn’t say “did you like that? Buy this juice or we won’t be friends anymore.” This whole conversation feels
mircea_popescu: ham fisted, Hariezer is consistently telling us about all the manipulative tricks they are both using. Its less a conversation and more people who just sat through a shitty marketing seminar trying to try out what they learned. WITH RAPE. "
mircea_popescu: basicaly... these are kids whoise main feature is having sat through a bunch of bad marketing seminars.
mircea_popescu: conversations between Quirrell/Malfoy/Potter seem to follow scripts of the form
mircea_popescu: "Here is an awesome manipulation I’m using against you"
mircea_popescu: "My, that is an effective manipulation. You are a dangerous man"
mircea_popescu: "I know, but I also know that you are only flattering me as an attempt to manipulate me."
mircea_popescu: "My, what an effective use of Bayesian evidence that is!"
asciilifeform: this is not entirely unlike the 'karate scenes' written by hacks
mircea_popescu: it's funny tho, quotations from bad fanfic, the works.
pete_dushenski: http://fortune.com/2015/04/02/bitcoin-bowl/ << oh hey look 'daniel roberts' reads the logs
assbot: Goodbye, Bitcoin St. Petersburg Bowl, we hardly knew ye - Fortune ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9fUj3 )
pete_dushenski: ^quite the qntra rip-off
pete_dushenski: obviously without attribution, 'reddit said' instead
asciilifeform: folks who, to a first approximation, -don't read for pleasure- tend to write rather disconcertingly like a poorer version of what they did read. sorta like vomit looks something like the food at times
pete_dushenski: "hey look, a gummy worm!"
pete_dushenski: "only half-digested!"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6965 @ 0.00027 = 1.8806 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: well... the world is supremely fair, in that ignorance is its own reward.
pete_dushenski: i'm finally working my way through buffett's annual letters to berkshire shareholders
assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 21:54:54; asciilifeform: i never got around to shitting out a patch to remove the hardcoded seedz
mircea_popescu: !up PFate
pete_dushenski: http://www.berkshirehathaway.com/letters/letters.html << recommended reading for log readers out there
assbot: Shareholder Letters ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9gJZg )
PFate: hello and thank you
mircea_popescu: yeah they're not bad.
mircea_popescu: PFate who might you be ?
PFate: erm, just a pleb atm
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what's wrong with config file srsly << nothing wrong with it. but 1) the hardcoded junk needs to go 2) node needs to learn own ip somehow
PFate: want twitter handle?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: call it biznis 201
PFate: @thefateofbtc
pete_dushenski: PFate: soooo what's the fate ?
mircea_popescu: PFate it's free form, i dun want anything specific.
PFate: pete, right now its not good from watching the news
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1085111 << sadly. the man very much went by this "engineering" approach.
assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 21:59:01; jurov: may have been satoshi himself
PFate: lol
pete_dushenski: PFate: that works because i'm pretty sure nowhere here watches the news
pete_dushenski: https://1broker.com/ << this yours then ?
assbot: 1Broker - Bitcoin Forex and CFD Trading ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9heTa )
PFate: 1broker.co
PFate: :)
PFate: 301 redirect ftw
asciilifeform: stas@humanoid ~ $ grep -R -i u_int32_t bitcoin-0.3.21
asciilifeform: stas@humanoid ~ $ grep -R -i uint32_t bitcoin-0.3.21
asciilifeform: stas@humanoid ~ $
cazalla: wow, that fortune.com article cites btcfeed as the source of the jan bitpay layoffs? fucking cunts
asciilifeform: nope, not satoshi.
pete_dushenski: cazalla: ikr!
mircea_popescu: ahaha im bashing that paste shit. nubbins you should start your own act.
pete_dushenski: PFate: well congrats on "We have proven ourselves: Since our launch in 2012, there was not a single security breach."
PFate: ? the .com is not mine
PFate: heh
mircea_popescu: cazalla write to the author and to forbes editor, tell them they can either publish a fix or else i sue.
mircea_popescu: lettuce see if forbes getting sued by bitcoin for ip infringement makes the news or not.
asciilifeform: won't make the docket much less news
asciilifeform: will be magicked away with magic rays.
mircea_popescu: the docket it will make.
pete_dushenski: PFate: ah nm then!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, because magic rays too expensive.
asciilifeform: 'state privilege'
cazalla: mircea_popescu, author proudly displays his twitter url, but no email address, guess i'll have to dig
pete_dushenski: to whoever else runs 1broker, wd.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski you know, one day you'll run into one of these claiming 2006.
pete_dushenski: and when that day comes, i'll learn not to trust anything random websites say
asciilifeform: '25 years of windows-2008 experience'
PFate: theres probably someone on linkedin with crypto(btc/ltc) claimed experience dating 2008
asciilifeform: szabo ?
pete_dushenski: not that one can't have 20 years of 'digital cash' experience, it's just that... so what ?
mircea_popescu: poor substitute for being in wot.
pete_dushenski: matonis was on the edges of the thing back then
mircea_popescu: iirc we had a guy in here who claimed 546805806 years of precious metal guruism
mircea_popescu: the claim got reduced and reduced until it went away
mircea_popescu: didn't take much pressure, either.
asciilifeform: 546805806 years of << l0l! he had an uninitialized register or what.
asciilifeform: incremented until overflowed?
assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 22:51:59; asciilifeform: i probably should have specified this in the signed text
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i just replaced one random value with another. my register's wider than his.
pete_dushenski: PFate: anyhoo so what brings you by this fine evening ?
PFate: stalking
PFate: since the bryce interview, back traced to this chan
mircea_popescu: the tits are that way --->
PFate: oh, sweet
PFate: but thats the edge of my desk
mircea_popescu: who the fuck stalks dudes
PFate: shitty comcast movies are on the other screen
asciilifeform will probably end up having to seppuku one day because did not specify 'do not use in reactors to power interstellar multigenerational flights' in some patch in '14
PFate: i stalk persons of interest in my hobbies to see whats up
PFate: this year and last, crypto
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1085180 << yeah qntra ppl. do we even care to get these ?
assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 22:57:01; nubbins`: i floated a design, nobody was too fussy, nothing else suggested
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, i'll just end up stuck explaining why you shouldn't to angry mobs.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo dude dat qntra. 0.00027399 vs 0.00028991 eh!
mircea_popescu: also 104mn s.mpoe shares changed hands this month.
asciilifeform just unpacked a laser printer/scanner/copier thingie and went 'wtf' because it weighs maybe half of what the dearly departed predecessor did. must be 95% corn plastic or sumthing
mircea_popescu: methinks institutionals got told a few words ?
asciilifeform: i mean srsly, wut
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform oothecae walls structure.
pete_dushenski: i dunno if my monthly contributions qualify me for 'qntra ppl' but as cool as cards with just email and gpg would be, i'm not sure i'd have much use for them in the space of meat
mircea_popescu: use cockroach parts! they're great for the environment and weigh less!
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski original deal was for a dozen, you;'d prolly make it
asciilifeform: the funny thing is that i've owned little laser printers since '90s, always almost precisely the same size, breadbox
asciilifeform: and they get lighter, lighter,....
assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 00:51:07; cazalla: who would've thought americans sit around drinking coffee discussing how much they dislike mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: i bet this one'd auger in if i sat on it.
asciilifeform: nay, stepped in it.
assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 00:55:59; BingoBoingo: lol was Garrett Keirns Garr255 or the "Surf Captital Management" douche
assbot: These fucktards have to be immortalised, they're worse than Dr. Foreskin even pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ChL53G )
mircea_popescu: apparently the neobee "brick and mortar" 17 yo financiers.
mircea_popescu: also, i am not a cryptographer.
asciilifeform: <pete_dushenski> i dunno if my monthly contributions qualify me for << wai wat was this
PFate: auger?
PFate: that slang for collapse?
PFate: never heard it used outside building/drilling
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: aite well, if they're free to the magick dozen, i'd take mebbe 50 cards ?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: qntra writing
mircea_popescu: iirc it was 250 ?
mircea_popescu: look in teh log
assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 00:58:09; nubbins`: “It never goes down!” says Bryce, referring to the BTC/UNO exchange rate. “That’s the thing people love about UNO. It never goes down.”
pete_dushenski: i saw it, just saying that i wouldn't make use of that many
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "Preet Bharara's minions can be seen pleading to Judge Forrest that the terminally corrupted Baltimore investigation so how touches their investigation in no way."
mircea_popescu: so how wut.
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1085246 << actually if someone was to pop in here and try to mine some lulz, they'd prolly pretend to be exactly someone like that, ie, marginal twitterhead or w/e. who else would they pretend to be.
assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 01:29:27; Cogburn: oh cmon nobody is gonna pop in here and pretend to be me
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: fxd
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1085257 << o.O wasn't thestringpuller rapping this like yest ?
assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 01:31:12; cazalla: going by the article, you hate him because you ain't him
assbot: Ok, ok, you had me :D pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ChMUgW )
cazalla: mircea_popescu, lol yeah he was in the trilema comments, it's what sprung to mind at the time
mircea_popescu: meanwhile "wtf is cogburn" "it's a reference to a film you stopped because wtf is this stupid shit."
mircea_popescu: seriously, people actually watched that atrocity ?
mircea_popescu: twelve year old independent wild west girlie ?
mircea_popescu: shit that only happened on planet "i'm a fat fuckhead and i will daydream an alt-history in which women actually did shit" ?
BingoBoingo: Eh, she ends up an amputee, there's gotta be a niche for that
mircea_popescu: for the record : no child at that time would have fucking dared to open her stupid mouth for fear of a beating.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: will daydream an alt-history << countess ada l. porn ?
mircea_popescu: which fear was pretty fucking actual.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's this thing which seriously proposes that a texas ranger who took the trouble to hunt some outlaw all the way into wherever the fuck is even talking to some snotty brat.
mircea_popescu: boggles the mind.
mircea_popescu: but not so far off hariezer fanfic.
asciilifeform: in porn, can cavort with platonic polyhedra if it tickles you. doesn't have to make sense in life...
mircea_popescu: it was a holywood "socialist realist" piece tho
mircea_popescu: well what are they ?
asciilifeform: money laundromats ?
mircea_popescu: all the unwatchable crud starting with the alt-gays (brokeback mountain) all through imaginary women that never happened, brave black slaves, what have you
mircea_popescu: it's socialist realism i tell you.
asciilifeform: Чапаев!
mircea_popescu: im looking forward to a remake of spartacus but set in south carolina
mircea_popescu: with an imaginary black leader dude that caused a countrywide revolt.
mircea_popescu: because this happened.
asciilifeform: from other side of ocean.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, you're thinking the almost able to stand post-20s.
mircea_popescu: im thinking the 70s.
asciilifeform: or more egregiously,
assbot: МУЛЬТФИЛЬМ Орлёнок - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ChQbwA )
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asciilifeform: ^ mega-genre-emblematic
asciilifeform once was mindfucked when read 'livejournal' of gurl who confessed to having wanked to this ^
asciilifeform: 'why do you want to go to the revolution, kid?' 'to save the boy. the hero, about whom the song was.' 'will you fear a bullet?' 'no' 'will you fall for tricks?' 'no!' 'come on in'
mircea_popescu: !up evian11_____
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform honestly my first idea of socialist realism is very bad metal basreliefs.
mircea_popescu: cinema a distant 3rd
asciilifeform: bad metal - mandatory
mircea_popescu: ok this cartoon is on point.
asciilifeform: absolutely mandatory for genre students
mircea_popescu: quite exactly the spirit.
mircea_popescu: directly visible in the say "abstraction" of movements.
asciilifeform fesses up that he loved it to death as a boy
mircea_popescu: very unabashed red/black coloring etc
mircea_popescu: it is MADE to be loved to death by simpletons.
mircea_popescu: the problem is some never outgrow it.
mircea_popescu: o fuck, frame in frame. defo.
asciilifeform: frame ?
mircea_popescu: yes. pioneer kid at museum
asciilifeform: ah well yes.
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mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1085304 << this speaks to neither wot nor irl trust.
assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 01:39:28; Cogburn: gamification of reputation is for people who can't give a good handshake or a warm, geniune smile when they meet someone.
mircea_popescu: !up odyjm
assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 01:45:04; Cogburn: I think we can bullshit the current system by crypto inside of the existing rules and bring about real change. I do not believe in the decentralized anarcho-capitalist utopia as a world-spanning solution to our ills. I think people will live that way if the want to, but real freedom is the ability to say "no"
mircea_popescu: saves me a bunch of reading at any rate.
asciilifeform: i dont think that was even a living thing
asciilifeform: but a script.
asciilifeform: it elizad when i spoke to it.
mircea_popescu: sadly this is no longer much of a criteria.
mircea_popescu: try a barrista sometime and see.
BingoBoingo: Thing apparently was living, but not very. Shell that seems most motivated to please whatever is on the other side of the screen whether it be Surf or what it imagines #b-a to be
asciilifeform: bartender?
mircea_popescu: chick that pours coffee.
mircea_popescu: no, not bartender. coffeeshoptender.
Chillum: its like a spanish waiter
Chillum: lol
mircea_popescu: "Pretentious sounding word used by dejected art history and drama majors that describes their employment in order to make themselves feel better about serving coffee."
mircea_popescu: ud has it.
mircea_popescu: they could call themselves gheishas for the same money.
cazalla: asciilifeform never heard of the fabled hipster barista
asciilifeform: over here the coffee is served 100% by uni students
asciilifeform: who else.
mircea_popescu: anyway, entire class of could-have-been bright young things that sound like eliza.
mircea_popescu: yes dude. those.
Chillum: my local coffee serving girl is rather bright
Chillum: though she is an owner
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asciilifeform: 'Let’s use IBM as an example. As all business observers know, CEOs Lou Gerstner and Sam Palmisano did a superb job in moving IBM from near-bankruptcy twenty years ago to its prominence today. Their operational accomplishments were truly extraordinary.' (buffett '11)
asciilifeform: ibm, the shrivelled husk?
asciilifeform: was that letter sent from paralleluniverse or wut
mircea_popescu: buffett pre 2000 is very different beast from buffett post 2001
mircea_popescu: much like zimmerman or any other number of people.
asciilifeform: getting headcrabbed will do that.
pete_dushenski: buffett in
pete_dushenski: 1991 was on his game
pete_dushenski: then, bought hh brown, today... car dealerships
pete_dushenski: ;;seen brendafdez
gribble: brendafdez was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 1 day, 6 hours, 28 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <brendafdez> mircea_popescu it works now. Anyway the IP I'm on now is one of a public AP, it shouldnt be whitelisted. I'll later give you my home IP, and BingoBoingo has my VPS IP already. I didn't know you were filtering.
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BingoBoingo: !t m s.qntr
assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00037719 / 0.00037719 / 0.00037719 (10885 shares, 4.11 BTC), 7D: 0.00033 / 0.00037676 / 0.00037719 (10985 shares, 4.14 BTC), 30D: 0.00020808 / 0.00027399 / 0.00037719 (40462 shares, 11.09 BTC)
BingoBoingo: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00023767 / 0.00025516 / 0.0002719 (10198588 shares, 2,602.31 BTC), 7D: 0.00022189 / 0.0002599 / 0.00028207 (44106582 shares, 11,463.73 BTC), 30D: 0.0001443 / 0.00028916 / 0.0004493 (103963514 shares, 30,062.38 BTC)
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ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2014#533582 << curious to know if this ever happened
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2014 21:59:17; mike_c: their prospectus says they are going to make 6,000 btc in 2014. so quarterly dividend would be..
ben_vulpes: hey robert viragh fuck off quit emailing me.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it never made any money. at all.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: tee hee i know
ben_vulpes: more ribbing nubbins`, really
mircea_popescu: nubbins ?! how's he involved
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ben_vulpes: read the linked thread!
mircea_popescu: the part about adding things to his highlights ? or the part about shewpherd pie ?
ben_vulpes: the whole log section is hilarious - some twenty lines in each direction
ben_vulpes: nubbins` going on about hif, steak, puss...
ben_vulpes: old logs are a trip, i guess.
mircea_popescu: kinda why we even have them.
assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 02:19:43; asciilifeform: Cogburn: RIAA project << i for one would only pay even a penny for something riaa-related if it somehow -takes away- at least the same penny from riaa et al.
mircea_popescu: i suppose "innovation" in the superficial sense in current usage has come to this, that it's barely a proxy for shock value. they ran out of "innovative" alts and now are hoping for interest out of the patently ridiculous.
mircea_popescu: "o ya ? well my alt is about dead weasels!"
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1085490 << one of the things i admire about you, asciilifeform, is your charming ability to paint just the most desolate picture of anyone's future for them.
assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 02:21:25; asciilifeform: the other thing is the political nuance here. when you do business with riaa etc. you are banking that 2025 will contain a world where riaa and the usg it is an affiliate of - are still in business
mircea_popescu: "that doesn't make any sense" "But it's got you talking about it!" "only briefly" "yeah well that's a lot more than the other 93875937394 guys manage"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes imagine what it's like to be his girlfriend.
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ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i like to complain as much as the next jew, but these russians!
mircea_popescu: why do you think they kept the jews beyond the pale.
ben_vulpes: they're so down they make *you* want to kill yourself!
mircea_popescu: and notice he's not even really russian. imagine if he stayed in odessa.
ben_vulpes: ya christ
mircea_popescu: which EVEN THEN wouldn't have been REALLY russian.
mircea_popescu: two degrees of soparation here.
ben_vulpes: well, eu that part of the world more than us.
ben_vulpes: hm what part of russia is he from?
ben_vulpes: well, "russia"
mircea_popescu: the ukraine :D
ben_vulpes: hurr durr ustard dun no geograpfiez
mircea_popescu: you know, like "what part of the us is nubs from ?"
ben_vulpes: i know nothinggggg
mircea_popescu: yeah, how do you even jack off
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mircea_popescu: i bet you need a woman even for that.
ben_vulpes: death by embarrass
mircea_popescu: hm, reading back... you probably didn't even pick the pale reference didja.
ben_vulpes: i thought that was a british/irish thing.
mircea_popescu: ;;google pale of settlement
gribble: Pale of Settlement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_of_Settlement>; The Pale of Settlement | Jewish Virtual Library: <http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/pale.html>; YIVO | Pale of Settlement: <http://www.yivoencyclopedia.org/article.aspx/Pale_of_Settlement>
ben_vulpes: shit jesus
mircea_popescu: ah this has been top log.
ben_vulpes: i am actually a horrible jew
ben_vulpes: all i care about is rockets
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> you know, like "what part of the us is nubs from ?" << bad example. canada is just unannexed right now.
mircea_popescu: so it's a good example.
ben_vulpes ponders his mental calendar
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: have you never seen fiddler on the roof ? movie or play ?
pete_dushenski: it's the token charicature of 'the pale'
assbot: Aligning incentives. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1G8veMj )
pete_dushenski: bon soir a tous!
mircea_popescu: the movie's actually pretty good.
mircea_popescu: "if wealth is a curse... well then may god strike me down with it! and may i never recover!"
mircea_popescu: "Just as it is the way of an ape to imitate humans, so too, a person, when he has become old, imitates himself, and does what was his manner previously."
mircea_popescu: there asciilifeform, i found you in the rishonim discussion of buffet's plight in the kotzker rebbe.
mircea_popescu: hmm, lemme restate.
mircea_popescu: there asciilifeform, i found you rishonim precedent in the kotzker rebbe discussion of buffet's plight.
mircea_popescu: dat semitic word order ffs.
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assbot: Essay on the thoughts of community college curmudgeons and how to engage them @insidehighered ... ( http://bit.ly/1IYid6k )
BingoBoingo: "Maybe if they’d listen to us curmudgeons once in a while, rather than trying to shut us up, community colleges wouldn’t be in the shape many of us are today: taking unconscionable amounts of students’ loan eligibility and seeing them leave when it runs out, as illiterate/innumerate as they were when they got here. No one wants us to talk about that, though."
mircea_popescu: sure. and maybe if the people trying to bail out the titanic were faster with it...
BingoBoingo: I like how the author misses the obvious conclusion, the curmudgeons were right the whole time
mircea_popescu: dat spelling.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53650 @ 0.00027 = 14.4855 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82600 @ 0.00027204 = 22.4705 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Greece draws up drachma plans, prepares to miss IMF payment - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1BXb9Sz )
mats: it begins
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27201 @ 0.00027225 = 7.4055 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00027244 = 6.2934 BTC [+] {2}
cazalla: wtf at that tumblr
cazalla: prob nigs with inferiority complex over da white man making that shit
punkman: nah, gotta be a white boy
mats: lol.
punkman: mats, btw the only greek articles talking about drachma are referencing the Telegraph
mats: interesting
punkman: (as in, check out what the brits are writing now)
cazalla: god damn easter, no bottleshops open and i require more vespene gas
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8351 @ 0.00027266 = 2.277 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15850 @ 0.00027 = 4.2795 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.00027268 = 7.5532 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27850 @ 0.00027 = 7.5195 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.QNTR] 28000 @ 0.00037719 = 10.5613 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00023767 / 0.00025767 / 0.00027268 (8072934 shares, 2,080.17 BTC), 7D: 0.00023767 / 0.00026037 / 0.00028207 (41640038 shares, 10,842.13 BTC), 30D: 0.0001443 / 0.00028858 / 0.0004493 (103878194 shares, 29,977.37 BTC)
thestringpuller: !t m s.qntr
assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00037719 / 0.00037719 / 0.00037719 (38885 shares, 14.67 BTC), 7D: 0.00033 / 0.00037706 / 0.00037719 (38985 shares, 14.70 BTC), 30D: 0.00020808 / 0.00031619 / 0.00037719 (68462 shares, 21.65 BTC)
thestringpuller: ^- close the bet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40850 @ 0.00027 = 11.0295 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29450 @ 0.00027272 = 8.0316 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5674 @ 0.000273 = 1.549 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19047 @ 0.00027313 = 5.2023 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5135 @ 0.00027339 = 1.4039 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: <Cogburn> everyone is tired of getting fucked
nubbins`: <asciilifeform> pass the lsd plz.
nubbins`: did i miss a memo or somethin? wild party guise
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31500 @ 0.00027028 = 8.5138 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: <mircea_popescu> so go ahead, sql inject it. <<< actually i just injected an upgrade to my avatar. from this: http://i.imgur.com/IrcdfQJ.png to this: http://i.imgur.com/36Olfei.png
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70800 @ 0.00027 = 19.116 BTC [-]
nubbins`: <asciilifeform> or my mips-on-fpga that exists nowhere but my living room <<< uh, srs??
nubbins`: *:asciilifeform has a list. <<< seems we've all got different lists of people who will be put against walls for various reasons
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00027367 = 5.8839 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: mine's "people who charge big money for graphic design when they're clearly unqualified to do so, resulting in either sad clients or more work for the printer"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7670 @ 0.0002738 = 2.1 BTC [+]
nubbins`: <asciilifeform> folks who, to a first approximation, -don't read for pleasure- tend to write rather disconcertingly like a poorer version of what they did read. sorta like vomit looks something like the food at times <<< "This latest tome puts X in the awkward position of having written more books than they've read"
nubbins`: <asciilifeform> node needs to learn own ip somehow <<< can't felch it from the OS at runtime?
nubbins`: <mircea_popescu> ahaha im bashing that paste shit. nubbins you should start your own act. <<< i'm more of a thief in the night when it comes to lels.
nubbins`: asciilifeform just unpacked a laser printer/scanner/copier thingie and went 'wtf' because it weighs maybe half of what the dearly departed predecessor did. must be 95% corn plastic or sumthing <<< scanner bed probably lexan instead of glass, etc ;p
BingoBoingo: Does the scanner not roast the bed with UV?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.00027049 = 6.4106 BTC [-]
nubbins`: i kid. :D
nubbins`: and i'd guess probably not, because why would it produce uv?
nubbins`: seems a waste to emit anything but the visual spectrum
nubbins`: but i talk from a place without knowledge here.
nubbins`: also, plastic scratches
nubbins`: <pete_dushenski> i saw it, just saying that i wouldn't make use of that many <<< my first job as a "web dev", they gave me 1000 business cards. for some reason.
nubbins`: i gave one to my folks and then gave away the rest in chunks of 100 to friends who roll their own, for use as filter
nubbins`: imagine giving a thousand business cards to someone who /does not interact with clients/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00027029 = 3.4597 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2014 22:16:56; nubbins`: p liked the shepherd's pie i made
nubbins`: how do i get away with this shit
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2014 22:17:08; nubbins`: "the key to a woman's puss is through her guts", i said
nubbins`: <mircea_popescu> you know, like "what part of the us is nubs from ?" <<< twodog, iirc, floated the idea of joining usa after the british gave up on us
nubbins`: closest we got was hosting a bunch of US mil bases
nubbins`: <ben_vulpes> bad example. canada is just unannexed right now. <<< i lel'd heartily, i must say
nubbins`: as if the future path of north america is single-country
nubbins`: <mircea_popescu> dat spelling. <<< i'm so broud of you
nubbins`: incidentally, "broud" reminds me of this movie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Clan_of_the_Cave_Bear_%28film%29
assbot: The Clan of the Cave Bear (film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1G8XnTB )
nubbins`: broud was DTF at all times
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15650 @ 0.0002738 = 4.285 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: <nubbins`> as if the future path of north america is single-country << Sure it is, Go Go Los Zetas
BingoBoingo: Or Sinaloa, or whoever
nubbins`: zetas vs zapatistas
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34550 @ 0.0002738 = 9.4598 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14559 @ 0.00027 = 3.9309 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26486 @ 0.00027 = 7.1512 BTC [-]
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1133/ Odds: 19(Y):81(N) by coin, 20(Y):80(N) by weight. Total bet: 11.61572615 BTC. Current weight: 93,697.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27150 @ 0.00027 = 7.3305 BTC [-]
nubbins`: "I'm a musician that supports Bitcoin! Check out my weird shitty demos!"
nubbins`: ...no?
nubbins`: my sides
nubbins`: youth today, i tell ya.
nubbins`: they realy go overboard with the self-deprecation
nubbins`: *really
nubbins`: dat defense against future criticisms
nubbins`: guy obv thinks it's cool otherwise he wouldn't share it
nubbins`: but he fears others will think it sucks, or worse, that his taste is so poor that it *does* suck and he just doesn't see it
nubbins`: so he hedges
nubbins`: and warns you that it sucks while he shows it off
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22500 @ 0.00027384 = 6.1614 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: jurov the idea being that putin didn't write himself a piece of paper saying "hey if i don't like you it's ok to take your stuff". or if he wrote, he didn't sign. or if he signed, he didn't publish. etc.
mircea_popescu: not that he wouldn't, mind you.
danielpbarron: height=310563 vs height=219979
Chillum: geez, my client is up to Nov 2014 and it says it is at 70% complete. Is 30% of the blockchain volume really since November?:
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7312 @ 0.00027384 = 2.0023 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00027371 = 2.0528 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Chillum yes.
Chillum: wow that is some increase in volume
mircea_popescu: people, the sort who imagine themselves "part of the community" for no reason, not being able to pass even the minimal qual of running a node, have nfi just how heavy 1mb blocks are
mircea_popescu: note that they're almost never full, either.
Chillum: the percent of people who run a rull node will continue to drop
Chillum: s/rull/run/
mircea_popescu: the % yes.
mircea_popescu: necessarily, as something becomes "popular" the percentage of imbeciles increases.
mircea_popescu: just look at "computer programming"
Chillum: any system will have to live with imbeciles
Chillum: on Earth at least
mircea_popescu: live with, sure.
mircea_popescu: make it possible for imbeciles to live with it, not really.
mircea_popescu: so apparently this chick wanted to open a coinbase account. they told her to make a blog, as part of their newer, friendlier KYC regulations. so she did. here it is : http://mandyswanson.tumblr.com/
assbot: Mandy-Claire Swanson ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQJBVj )
mircea_popescu: tru story.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17813 @ 0.00027384 = 4.8779 BTC [+]
Chillum: sooo know your customers is now extended to learning about their hobbies and personality?
Chillum: what does a blog accomplish?
Chillum: anyone can make a fake one
Chillum: I prefer KFC to KYC
mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone could have made a fake this one.
Chillum: I have only met a few of my customers, I do NOT want to know them
Chillum: the general population has a strong tendency for crazies
mircea_popescu: it's the law Chillum !
Chillum: in Canada you don't need to ip a tx is under $3k a day and under $10K in a year
Chillum: s/ip/id/
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1086243 << epic. i wish to see how this drachma goes.
assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 08:54:21; assbot: Greece draws up drachma plans, prepares to miss IMF payment - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1BXb9Sz )
mircea_popescu: maybe next they can leech some money off the russians for a while, making promises ?
mircea_popescu: Chillum what do you mean "in canada"
Chillum: Greece, those guys were buying gold coins from me more than the whole rest of the world combined during their bailout
Chillum: It is a big country that I live in
mircea_popescu: us first best only country.
Chillum: us?
nubbins`: canada isn't really a country so much as it is a collection of geographically and culturally disparate regions
nubbins`: take chillum, myself, and a quebecois
nubbins`: probably our only common threads are that we like poutine and smoke trees
Chillum: poutine is gross. Sorry, but it is
Chillum: perhaps they just make it bad around here, but the french guys love it
nubbins`: most poutine around here is totally bastardized
nubbins`: stretch mozza instead of curds
mircea_popescu: !up gabridome
nubbins`: with real curds and a thick gravy on some home fries, it's divine
Chillum: the fries always are soggy, I like crispy fries
nubbins`: see? nothing in common
nubbins`: totally culturally disparate
Chillum: Vancouver Island is a culture of its own
nubbins`: so is newfoundland island
Chillum: we are a mosaic, not a melting pot. We want disparite cultures
nubbins`: for those of you who do not grasp the size of canada, europe is closer to me than vancouver is
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.00027387 = 2.7798 BTC [+] {2}
Chillum: and the 15% of it to the south west has nice weather for several months a year
nubbins`: in fact, romania is closer to me than vancouver
Chillum: I always love it when the weather channel is showing ice storms out east and that we have daffodils blooming on the Island
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77269 @ 0.00027433 = 21.1972 BTC [+] {3}
nubbins`: it was 12C here three days ago
nubbins`: yesterday: snow
Chillum: of course every winter all the homeless from out east come to victoria/vancover to live
mircea_popescu: "Greece no longer has enough money to pay the IMF €498m on April 9, and also to cover payments for salaries and social security on April 14"
Chillum: they have plenty of gold
nubbins`: Chillum and every summer they come back to st john's :D
nubbins`: ah, the seasonal homeless
mircea_popescu: Chillum greece is the main example of a certain way to run a country, which is : make promises to whatever power, then not keep the promises see what it does.
mircea_popescu: italy was run this way pretty much 500ad - 2015 ad.
Chillum: yup. They are handling the global currency collapse in a very tactical manner
mircea_popescu: ocasionally the hre would come over, the local whores (ie, married women) fucked the soldiers raw.
nubbins`: sign a lease, move out a month early and leave 35 bags worth of trash behind
Chillum: we don't give them places to live
mircea_popescu: not even. sign the lease, expect leasor to buy you drinks at the bar, sublet the place to a bunch of other dudes, never pay a dime in rent
Chillum: finding a place to live around here is hard even for a local
mircea_popescu: THEN leave, two months late and leave dead hookers in the matresses.
Chillum: we have almost no vacancies here
nubbins`: vacancy was below 1% here for a while
nubbins`: market's cooling off now
Chillum: If you want a place you basically have to wait for the university to let out, so once a year
nubbins`: or around the new year when all the first-year students flunk out
nubbins`: but who wants to move in winter?
mircea_popescu: “We may have to go into a silent arrears process" << check it out, they have a word for it and everything!
nubbins`: silent arrears
nubbins`: i like that
nubbins`: "we won't tell anyone when the money is gone"
Chillum: is that like a silent fart?
mircea_popescu: you don't understand. A silent arrears PROCESS.
nubbins`: o o o!
nubbins`: my focus was diverted
mircea_popescu: you see ? a! like, there are others, this is just one of a class!
mircea_popescu: and it's a process!
nubbins`: dat process
mircea_popescu: not a state or anything, phenomena baby.
nubbins`: i bet they have a "roadmap"
mircea_popescu: o, obviously.
nubbins`: 1) use all moniez
mircea_popescu: i dunno who the overgrown infants think they're fooling,
mircea_popescu: but it must be someone.
nubbins`: 2) ???
nubbins`: 3) profit!
mircea_popescu: anyway, i kinda like the way this works.
mircea_popescu: basically, in the 70s stupid dudes in government decided to force men to pay for stupid women in the house.
mircea_popescu: the process took a few decades to come to roost, but now stupid countries are behaving comensurate with that.
mircea_popescu: so... i suppose the us, germany and whoever else has money must pay for the house where greece fucks random dudes and "raises the children"
mircea_popescu: it's teh law!
mircea_popescu: and, obviously, the "welfare of the children" is the chief concern.
mircea_popescu: so, payup.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, this greek stuff is a fine test of the whole array of lizard hitler theory. clearly he couldn't possibly allow this, right ? when's the last time someone defaulted to the britton woods system ? when's the last time a government said fu, we're not going to do what you want us to do so we fail electorally ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.00027454 = 2.0316 BTC [+]
Chillum: longing for the days of feudalism?
Chillum: back then if you could not manage a land it was given to someone else
mircea_popescu: i don't think feudalism is avoidable since internet.
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1086281 << srs, hang people for that ? it's just fucking design.
assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 11:47:21; nubbins`: mine's "people who charge big money for graphic design when they're clearly unqualified to do so, resulting in either sad clients or more work for the printer"
mircea_popescu: next you're going to want to hang badly dressed women, and then where will we be.
Chillum: when more complex forms of government fail it always reverts to a simpler form
Chillum: it seems current government and monetary policies seek to be intentionally complex to avoid understanding of it
mircea_popescu: Chillum a) feudalism is the most complex form to date b) democracy hasn't failed, it succeeded. like communism. turns out nobody can stand its final form.
assbot: Why "representative democracy" doesn't work and doesn't make sense pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQRGcB )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00027454 = 5.4359 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !up cnerd
cnerd: yea, ok, awesome
cnerd: I see that you have encountered these dudes DD4BC some time ago
mircea_popescu: !s dd4bc
assbot: 1 results for 'dd4bc' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=dd4bc
mircea_popescu: weirdly this rings no bells.
cnerd: let me remind you :)
assbot: The lulz of today : DDoS attacks, ransom notes, Tor anonimity and other faits d'armes of the retarded generation on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1BW6bEI )
mircea_popescu: o wait, with the ddos. ok ok.
cnerd: yea, same dude(s). So, what happened, did they follow up with a more serious attack afterwards?
mircea_popescu: not that i'm specifically aware. probably, at least tried.
cnerd: so, nothing serious, i guess? They gave up pretty fast, didnt they?
mircea_popescu: well, it's not so cut and dried. the thing is inequality online is readily misrepresented because things appear for no good reason as very equalitarian. take the much related fetlife debacle (here : https://www.google.com/search?q=trilema+fetlife+butthurt )
assbot: trilema fetlife butthurt - Google zoeken ... ( http://bit.ly/1BW76oT )
mircea_popescu: so they sent a bs complaint, i replied, they sent a dmca, i counternotified, they went away beaten.
mircea_popescu: would they have done the same if i didn't have a lawyer ready to sue ? no. had the dc been more scared of me than of them if i hadn't etc ? no.
mircea_popescu: so, it can be very serious or not serious at all depending on who you are.
mircea_popescu: do you own your servers which you colocate ? do you rent time on a shared server ? these things matter.
cnerd: I pretty much understand what you are saying. Thanks for your time, man, you were incredibly helpful
mircea_popescu: they happen to matter a whole of a heck more than whether you're either right or reasonable, as it happens.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell nubbins` can't felch it from the OS at runtime? << os does not know your external ip, if you are behind a nat. as, e.g., a pogo is overwhelmingly likely to be.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: you know incidentally this fucking sucks.
mircea_popescu: artifexd baby we need that thing so we can use it as a model to make a new dhcp too!
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> there asciilifeform, i found you rishonim precedent in the kotzker rebbe discussion of buffet's plight. << anybody have a talmud handy ?
asciilifeform: scanner bed probably lexan instead of glass, etc << nah it was glass. but the whole rest of the thing appear to be plastic, except for a few pins and motor casings.
mircea_popescu: okok. rishonim as opposed to achronim, modern commentary as opposed to ancient. and the kotzker guy is just some famous rabbi.
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform incidentally, this greek stuff is a fine test of the whole array of lizard hitler theory. clearly he couldn't possibly allow this, right ? when's the last time someone defaulted << greece et al are resource-burners. like wherever it was that '30s u.s. farmers burned wheat and poured out milk into latrines. the paper serfdom that results from the eventual 're-creditation' of the delinquent debtors
asciilifeform: is just a bonus.
artifexd: A dhcp?
mircea_popescu: universal ip, as a sha512 hash. no more of this "os doesn't know its ip" bs.
asciilifeform: ipv6-style ?
mircea_popescu: who the fuck thought that's even a workable scheme...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no. ipv6 is fatally flawed in that it has no wot.
asciilifeform: well sure
mircea_popescu: the ipv4.
asciilifeform: ipv4 works other than the no-wot aspect
asciilifeform: 'this cow is great except that it was bombed at guernica and doesn't look much like a cow any more'
mircea_popescu: you mean ipv4 works other than the "it doesn't allow every idiot online" aspect. gotta keep it under 10 mn or so.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re greece, i see that they're resource burners. that's not the q.
mircea_popescu: the q is, they just made a claim to sovereignity.
asciilifeform: they can make a claim to being martians with telepathic powers. my answer is answer to why no one comes in with bulldozer and whore cages
mircea_popescu: i don't see how it answers that ?
asciilifeform: they do exactly what is expected of'em.
mircea_popescu: there is after all a difference between farmer burning his own crop and guy going and burning other people's things.
asciilifeform: sorta like u.s. credit card chumps
mircea_popescu: well yes but this can be said universally of anyone.
asciilifeform: when other people helpfully bring you their things to burn
mircea_popescu: seems to me a misrepresentation of the situation.
asciilifeform: last i checked, greek panzers weren't overrunning germany and collecting all that isn't screwed down
mircea_popescu: the imf didn't give them money so as not to get it back.
mircea_popescu: so they're fraudsters rather than thieves ?
mircea_popescu: undisputed, but what does it help.
asciilifeform: but the symbiotic fraud described by orlov et al
mircea_popescu: all conmen ever claim to live at the pleasure of the king, of course.
mircea_popescu: but... they do not in fact.
asciilifeform: the other function of feeding the greeks is to prevent them from coming up for islamic fire sale like they did last time.
mircea_popescu: how come nobody is lending the ukraine 100 bn then ?
mircea_popescu: they could waste it better than the greeks their 20.
asciilifeform: they did, and did!
mircea_popescu: nah, they got some pittance, bn and half.
asciilifeform: not quite 100
asciilifeform: why does one u.s. idiot get a 50K 'platinum' while another a 0.5K 'turd' ?
asciilifeform: same idea
mircea_popescu: anyway, i think putin is having string orgasms. imagine, greece in a compact with russia! sub bases ALL THROUGH THE ISLANDS.
mircea_popescu: ru navy staff is probably all drunk today
mircea_popescu: worst mission in the history of armed forces. "here are some fjords. find the subs. ALL OF THEM."
punkman: they are probably waiting until the US bases run out of money
mircea_popescu: unless they can find a way to run them in a vms or something.
mircea_popescu: from a greek perspective, switching bases every 10 years would be the best outcome, they can hire poor polacks to manage for the construction work.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.00027371 = 3.3529 BTC [-]
assbot: Greece says ready to make IMF payment on April 9| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1MLihMi )
mircea_popescu: is that actual or reuters confabulating
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52600 @ 0.00027046 = 14.2262 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: "Mr. Theocharakis never characterized the technical teams of the institutions with the phrase attributed to him," the ministry said in a statement. "On the contrary ... he referred to them as saying they include 'top-notch people with impressive skills.'"
mircea_popescu: alol k. "and then the greek word for hot sexy teen was mistranslated by the hebrew word for baren ugly old hag!"
punkman: heh
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assbot: FBI Uncovers Another Of Its Own Plots, Senator Feinstein Responds By Saying We Should Censor The Internet | Techdirt ... ( http://bit.ly/1BWfdSn )
Chillum: Senators are funny
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33400 @ 0.00027458 = 9.171 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27300 @ 0.00027 = 7.371 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "we" ? what fucking we.
mircea_popescu: there's no we. scammers always start with this "we" business.
Chillum: we are not amused
asciilifeform: the mega-l0l of 'cookbook' is that it was usg-authored originally.
asciilifeform: (though i cannot say whether the most supremely ludicrous recipes, like the 'banana dope', date to the original authorship or not)
assbot: Two New York City women accused of planning 'terrorist attack' - Yahoo News ... ( http://bit.ly/1MLqi3Y )
asciilifeform: so they're doing gurlz now.
asciilifeform: that, i suppose, is new.
Chillum: soon you will have to take your bra off in airports
Chillum needs the support!
asciilifeform: the day of the first uterus bomb approaches.
trinque: asciilifeform: I knew a kid in junior high who was convinced the banana peel thing was real
trinque: fuckin moron he was
asciilifeform: trinque: he tested ?
trinque: I think he tried to rot some banana peels, yeah
trinque: or whatever the procedure was
Chillum: I imagine smoking most plant matter will do _something_
Chillum: if only make you dizzy
trinque: probably inhaling sand would make you a bit dizzy
asciilifeform: 'The women, former roommates in the city borough of Queens, had researched how to build an explosive device and had read textbooks on electricity and watched online videos about soldering, it said.'
asciilifeform: soldering!
asciilifeform: burn the witches.
asciilifeform: 'When they were arrested, agents found bomb-building materials including propane gas tanks, soldering tools, pipes, a pressure cooker and fertilizer, authorities said.'
asciilifeform: ^ how many folks on my street qualify to join these gurlz in the jail.
trinque: sounds like an average suburban shed
Chillum: reading textbooks!
asciilifeform: watched online videos about soldering !
nubbins`: i think all this uint stuff is just a symptom of our boost installs being totally hosed
asciilifeform: nubbins`: uses same boost as my original portatronic
asciilifeform: nubbins`: which worked flawlessly on my boxes
nubbins`: sure, i mean i don't think it's putting itself together properly
nubbins`: check this out
nubbins`: that was my latest, right? after i applied the kill int and dns snip patches
nubbins`: but notice how each error lists /home/nubs/dev/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/ourlibs/include/boost/cstdint.hpp:263
asciilifeform: nubbins`: this is a -result- of my int patch
asciilifeform: it doesn't really fix things
nubbins`: anyway, i actually went into cstdint.hpp and replaced a few uint32_t instances with boost::uint32_t
nubbins`: and now when i run ./auto.sh, i get:
asciilifeform: because what ends up happening is that the uints end up being undefined in at least one place -without- the patch, but -defined more than once- if -with-
nubbins`: i'm admittedly out of my league here but that's complete vomit from 9 different orifices
nubbins`: ah fuck
nubbins`: no, that's not the right way to do it at all
nubbins`: hold on now
mircea_popescu: lmao electricity and soldering.
mircea_popescu: fascinating just how ignorant muricans are these days.
mike_c: because the average ____ knows how to solder?
mircea_popescu: i would expect ?
mircea_popescu: the average romanian knows how to solder.
mircea_popescu: what's to know, even. and don't give me the ny longshoreman's union line.
mike_c: not much to know, but it's not genetic.
mike_c: gotta learn sometime
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: average ro gurl knows ?
mircea_popescu: yeah, generally when dad's tinkering in garage.
mircea_popescu: no, average gurl can make goulash.
mircea_popescu: "The complaint said Siddiqui had been in contact with al Qaeda members and Velentzas was Facebook friends with Tairod Pugh, a U.S. Air Force veteran charged with attempting to aid Islamic State, a militant group that holds territory in Iraq and Syria. Pugh, 47, of Neptune, New Jersey, pleaded not guilty last month."
mircea_popescu: they pleaded!!!!
mircea_popescu: ah the adorbs imbecility of the english speaker.
mircea_popescu: inb4 pleaderated.
ben_vulpes: pleadarasty
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and i don't think they even have peine forte et dure any more, in the english lands.
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nubbins`: total noob q here, why does boost redefine all these stdint types anyway
asciilifeform: nubbins`: because it was written by pig-men
nubbins`: lel.
nubbins`: y'know debian etc are probably just assuming one definition or the other
nubbins`: rather than halting at the ambiguity
nubbins`: if you wanna play whack-a-mole, here's a start: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Cnbdqf0Y
trinque: when presented with an ambiguous choice, always best to choose arbitrarily
trinque: lol
nubbins`: the correct way would i guess be to rip the boost namespace out of there
nubbins`: and explicitly declare it when needed
nubbins`: but i can imagine this'd be a bit of a task
nubbins`: unless there's a pressing need to use non-boost types, it's prob fine to just explicitly use the boost ones. not like the libs aren't being included anyway
asciilifeform: nubbins`: except then the non-boost libs cough and die
asciilifeform: what must be discovered is - why this happens during this static build
asciilifeform: and not otherwise.
asciilifeform: my present hypothesis is that gcc is making 'unprincipled exceptions' for stdint.
asciilifeform: (see earlier thread.)
nubbins`: incidentally, there ARE other declarations of uint32_t in those files
asciilifeform: but they presumably agree with one another
nubbins`: they all appear to have the boost:: prefix except for the couple of instances in above patch
asciilifeform: (and with libs)
nubbins`: why these random couple of instances don't have boost:: is beyond me
asciilifeform: that -or- gcc simply doesn't get there
asciilifeform: dies before they get evaluated.
asciilifeform: this is another aspect of 'c/cpp ecosystem' that rattles nerves
nubbins`: seems weird you'd fall back to the non-boost version for these couple of random instances.
asciilifeform: you -don't actually ever know- if the barf you now have is the -total- barf.
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jurov: there could be some c++ namespace hackery
nubbins`: oh there's that.
asciilifeform: jurov: aha yes there is, look.
jurov: so that the boost:: prefix is needed depending on what is #included
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asciilifeform: trinque: that indictment is pure gold
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: qntra ^ ?
assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 13:48:47; mircea_popescu: jurov the idea being that putin didn't write himself a piece of paper saying "hey if i don't like you it's ok to take your stuff". or if he wrote, he didn't sign. or if he signed, he didn't publish. etc.
assbot: Putin decree targets elite’s foreign assets ... ( http://bit.ly/1CCcT6s )
asciilifeform: jurov: if you were king you would let sc4mz0rz squirrel away the nation's wealth in american banks ?
mircea_popescu: "into the country’s top-level bureaucrats and state employees "
mircea_popescu: see the difference ?
mircea_popescu: confiscating the bureaucracy's "money" is not even on the table.
mircea_popescu: anything anyone owns on the grounds of having interacted with a government is to be taken outright.
jurov: lol, you have never interacted with the govt?
jurov: or anyone in the US had?
mircea_popescu: that's their problem.
mircea_popescu: but no, i never cashed a govt paycheck.
mircea_popescu: which is why i don't have to report my fortune etc.
jurov: you ever paid any taxes?
mircea_popescu: all the time.
jurov: and that's not "having interacted"?
mircea_popescu: not what i meant eh.
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> anything anyone owns on the grounds of having interacted
asciilifeform: not 'lost'
asciilifeform: perhaps converse is to be inserted as well - anything that one -lost- from interacting with government, ought to be returned.
asciilifeform: except thermodynamics gets in the way
asciilifeform: they long ate and shat it.
Chillum: feed it to the mushrooms
Chillum: feed them shit, keep them in the dark
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i can see a plan to have everyone who ever worked for a government shipped to the salt mines until the whole sum is made back.
mircea_popescu: "here's how much you group of criminals owe. the pay is X an hour. get busy."
jurov: aha. and why it's so important that putin "didn't write", but just takes as he seems fit without elaborating on paper?
mircea_popescu: because rule of law jurov.
mircea_popescu: it's one thing to be a thief, it's another to pretend not to be a thief.
mircea_popescu: which is why i write about people like bfl on trilema, but not about any one of the countless heists.
asciilifeform: jurov: what thing of yours did mr p take? i'd like to hear the full story here
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well how'd he know.
jurov: alf whines all the time about as if obama took something from him.. so i'm trying to compare
asciilifeform: jurov: mr o takes half of what i make.
asciilifeform: and then some
asciilifeform: and will probably sign my hanging papers eventually
mircea_popescu: they have taxes in russia too don';t they ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 15% flat
asciilifeform: last i checked.
mircea_popescu: ya ya, except if you become an "oligarch", then they invent imaginary arears and steal your shit.
trinque: asciilifeform: what has you so convinced your head is going to roll?
asciilifeform: which 'oligarch' didn't steal 'his' money from the public in ru ?
asciilifeform: during 'privatization'
mircea_popescu: entirely different story.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not different at all. <mircea_popescu> anything anyone owns on the grounds of having interacted with a government is to be taken outright.
mircea_popescu: "steal from the public" is what, microsoft ? jp manufacturer of resistors ?
asciilifeform: how did the dekulakized folks in ru make their dough ?
mircea_popescu: well, the papers show they bought and sold.
mircea_popescu: this is fine.
mircea_popescu: they didn't, yoiu know, take employment with the govt.
asciilifeform: 'bought' for fire sale price from dead lion
mircea_popescu: and so...
mircea_popescu: not their problem.
asciilifeform: as crown concession from new regime
asciilifeform: crown gave - crown took.
mircea_popescu: also not their problem.
mircea_popescu: if i buy something from you, you're not "taking" it.
asciilifeform: if i'm only 'selling' for a penny because you torched my house the day before - then yes, took.
mircea_popescu: these are unequal things. commerce is between equal parties. employment is between unequal parties.
mircea_popescu: it makes no difference. don't want to sell, don't sell.
asciilifeform: the commerce between the arsonist and his victim is not commerce.
mircea_popescu: otherwise we'll start having to take back the ilk of shrem because hey, "they torched his house".
mircea_popescu: you still don't fucking sign.
mircea_popescu: once you've settled, you've settled.
asciilifeform: i mean i get the basic idea, 'to the victor - the spoils, to the vanqushed - the tears'
mircea_popescu: it's just, unlike things are and remain unlike.
asciilifeform: but what's with the dress-up games. if tomorrow yesterday's victor and vanquished switch places - the former doesn't get to whine about 'violations'
asciilifeform: same right of might as his original rape
mircea_popescu: depends on how the stuff was formalised.
asciilifeform: except the cock's on the other pudenda now.
mircea_popescu: which is what rule of law is all about.
mircea_popescu: if tomorrow it is discovered bharara was acting under mere color of law,
mircea_popescu: the people who didn't sign a confession walk
mircea_popescu: the people who did sign a confession stay in.
asciilifeform: if the law gets scrapped and re-written every time the throne changes hands - what is the law ?
mircea_popescu: that really has no bearing on the case here.
Chillum: If I was involved in the formation of a new regime I would institute a policy of mercy on the old regime. If only because any new regime is likely to be taken over by the next
Chillum: want to set a precedent
mircea_popescu: Chillum it's a stupider idea than you realise.
mats slaps forehead
asciilifeform: Chillum: we all get eaten by worms in the end. why not start now. right ?
Chillum: I intend to be eaten by wolves
mircea_popescu: consider the matter in terms you're better equipped to handle. if, upon breaking up a girl with her former boyfriend, you institute a policy that she may fuck him whenever,
mats: kill yourself
mircea_popescu: you're merely stating that you're not really the new boyfriend.
trinque: maybe Chillum is referring to what happened in Iraq for example, where former baathists end up in ISIS
asciilifeform: mats: he can't, no wolf in sight yet
mircea_popescu: they'll revert and you'll be out of the loop soon enough.
Chillum: trinque: ^^
Chillum: yup
Chillum: plan for failure
mircea_popescu: if you plan for failure, go home.
mats: ought to have properly executed every last baathist.
Chillum: failure to plan for failure is the ultimate failure
mircea_popescu: ha. you and what army mats ?
trinque: "they" "should"
trinque: the them!
asciilifeform: anyone recall the folk tale where the headsman is ordered to chop own head ?
mircea_popescu: oic. yes, they should. and they actually do.
mircea_popescu: part of why isis seems respectable where the usarmy does not.
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asciilifeform: i'll respect when they build so much as one mosfet. or a hydro plant. or own radar array. or at least stop using fucking caesar ciphers.
trinque: asciilifeform: can't, science is from satan
trinque: maybe they're respectable like one respects a forest fire
asciilifeform: trinque: atheist kalash is also from satan, doesn't prevent the 'doublethink'
asciilifeform: trinque: forest fires can't be tricked and tripped like a child.
trinque: not in terms of thinking creatures, though
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well yeah, if they actually were intellectually respectable i'd prolly be there.
mircea_popescu: but we were discussing agency rather than techne here
asciilifeform: when the ancients anthropomorphisized nature and 'respected', e.g., the sea, it was because it was -indomitable-
mircea_popescu: not necessarily.
asciilifeform: go try respect a puddle
trinque: it's too early in the morning for this zen shit
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform danae fucked a (pee) puddle was pregnant.
trinque: seems like isis is just good kindling for a larger middle eastern war
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: rain, not puddle
asciilifeform: rain is respectable.
trinque: I wouldn't expect them to continue to exist if/when that kicks off
mircea_popescu: golden rain tho.
mircea_popescu: if that's not piss...
trinque: though I wish I understood the saudi/iran dynamic more
mircea_popescu: (and yes, you can end up pregnant from piss)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pH ?
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mircea_popescu: the little buggers are really persistent.
asciilifeform: i suppose you only need one spermatozoid
asciilifeform: (though modern data suggests they have flock dynamics and pheromonal strange, like ants)
mircea_popescu: which is weird, considering.
mircea_popescu: but yeah, i recall some stuff about how white sperms beat up black sperms.
asciilifeform does not recall 'fighting sperm' but there was the gradient-following thing
asciilifeform: 'On or about October 24, 2014, VELENTZAS viewed on her cellular telephone YouTube videos about a beginner's tutorial for soldering, tools and steps for soldering and de-soldering, how to solder wires together, how to solder a circuit board, common soldering mistakes, and introduction to flux, a product used in soldering tasks.'
mircea_popescu: you have got to be kidding me.
assbot: Velentzas and Siddiqui Complaint ... ( http://bit.ly/1CChaqq )
mircea_popescu: i would imagine by now the number of retarded people being abused through this scandalous mockery of law exceeds the "sex offenders"
mircea_popescu: but hey, the us is solving its homeless population, and the un doesn't even seem to notice or anything.
mircea_popescu: what about sanctions for human rights violations in africa's most recent presidential autocracy ?
asciilifeform: 'VELENTZAS also told the UC that she was progressing in her electrical studies and had used a solder tool to solder copper wires together, although VELENTZAS had suffered a small burn on her finger in the process. The UC observed a burn mark on VELENTZAS's finger.'
assbot: ninjadoge24's blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1CCirhj )
cazalla: mircea_popescu, i got a response from fortune, not the one i was hoping for either
asciilifeform: 'https://ninjadoge24.github.io/#002-how-i-cracked-nq-vaults-encryption / CTIA - "The Best App of CTIA by the Techlicious 2012 Best of CTIA Awards" / PC Magazine - "PC Magazine Best Apps" / TRUSTe - Received "TRUSTe Privacy Seal" / Global Mobile Internet Conference App Space - "A top 50 app" ......... Looks like a substitution cipher. What if it's just XOR? Like just fuckin' XOR?'
mircea_popescu: do they indicate where to send process ?
asciilifeform: cazalla, mircea_popescu: toldya they'd say 'pound sand'
assbot: dpaste: 2E1T9JN ... ( http://bit.ly/1CCiJ7I )
mircea_popescu: da fuck do i care what the idiot has to say lmao.
asciilifeform: judge will say 'hated terrorist vs. fortune co.' 'case closed.'
asciilifeform: or what, mircea_popescu expects to get in the mail a package with the head of the fella who signed the 'do not cite qntra' memo taped on 'fortune' monkeys' cubicles ?
asciilifeform: the 'we did not claim they broke the news' thing is pure gold.
mircea_popescu: cazalla i'd say they'd banned from qntra, and we just rewrite their breaking stuff without credit given, but then again they've not broken anything since like the 80s, they just rewrite random feeds.
asciilifeform: if someone steals his golden toilet, and thief answers 'i did not claim it was mine, just took it' ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's not a matter of i expect to get that head. i am getting that head.
asciilifeform: but not in the mail
mircea_popescu: in whatever manner.
asciilifeform: and not because of a verdict from an american court.
mircea_popescu: if that is true, that is to their detriment.
mircea_popescu: they don't as much as have a fucking legal address on the site, anything.
mircea_popescu: it could be a blogspot blog for all anyone knows.
asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2015/04/nsa-gchq-jtrig-intercept-15-0402.pdf << mega-l0l. nsa/gchq spam campaigns to drum up support for british colonial falklands vs. argentina claim.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ^ this is still a thing!? l0l!
mircea_popescu: well sure it is.
cazalla: i looked for a legal contact, not finding anything, might have to be sent to time inc as they appear to own fortune.com
asciilifeform: 'GCHQ has consistently underperformed on Brazil, with growing concerns that Sth [sic] American attitudes on the Falklands are swinging behind Argentina....'
assbot: dpaste: 21W5GH3 ... ( http://bit.ly/1D10wlR )
cazalla: mircea_popescu, nice, i'll hold off responding to this daniel roberts fellow and see what comes of yours
mircea_popescu: the point asciilifeform doesn't appreciate here is that i'd much rather spend 10k to sue forbes over a missatributed story than spend 10k to buy "clicks" on facebook or w/e.
mircea_popescu: you can readily ignore the muppet.
asciilifeform: probably same result from each 10k
asciilifeform: but it's mircea_popescu's 10k, if he wants to spend it on a new coat of pain for dirigible - perfectly good
cazalla: it's fortune.com really no difference
mircea_popescu: the donkey said to the man breaking ground, that no grains grow in freshly broken ground.
mircea_popescu: that's right. not yet, they don't.
mats: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-10-2014#897445 << ever read, 'A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court' by Twain? http://pinkmonkey.com/dl/library1/digi038.pdf
assbot: Logged on 26-10-2014 21:21:38; decimation: I've always imagined what would happen if I were marooned in pre-history with a few choice textbooks
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mats: we'll see.
asciilifeform: more realistic ending, for one.
asciilifeform: and less sanctimonious twain bullshit
mike_c: search.b-a issues a known problem? doesn't seem to have indexed the last few days
mike_c: ^ mthreat?
mircea_popescu: which issues be those ?
mircea_popescu: !s issues
assbot: 696 results for 'issues' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=issues
mircea_popescu: Checking Query Cache For Query53 µs
mircea_popescu: motherfucker, checking cache takes 1/3 of the total time
mike_c: issues be it's not returning anything from the last couple days
asciilifeform: checking cache takes 1/3 of the total time << ahahahahahaha
mircea_popescu: !s fortune
assbot: 176 results for 'fortune' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fortune
mircea_popescu: mike_c whoopsie hadn't noticed.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform shut up dude. if advanced aliens show up they perforce know of caching
mike_c: 1/3 of the total time is 53 microseconds? that's pretty fast..
mircea_popescu: perhaps they even show us how to make one.
mircea_popescu: mike_c game server whadda ya want
asciilifeform: aliens - yes, on account of light speed.
mike_c: ah. game time and web time are not the same orders of magnitude :)
mircea_popescu: this, i'll grant, is an insane piece of gnarl with three joins in it. for prototyping not really used in code.
asciilifeform: browser that spends 56mS rooting through cache - thank sv and their stables of delinquent children turned into 'programmers'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sql profiling, nothing to do with browsers.
trinque: ah three joins isn't that bad
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: same rot
mike_c: and he said us, not ms
mircea_popescu: i really have no idea. and yes micro.
asciilifeform: micro - less abjectly idiotic
assbot: Logged on 31-03-2015 00:27:33; danielpbarron: search won't find results past this line -> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-03-2015#1079336
asciilifeform: that's roughly 140000 cpu cycles on, e.g., my box, though
assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 12:23:47; nubbins`: broud was DTF at all times
assbot: Chinese Guy Says to Girl "Are You DTF?" - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1D13Ddw )
nubbins`: haha
nubbins`: down to fish, yeah
nubbins`: i kid
nubbins`: down to FUCK, yo
nubbins`: should have a patch on the ml in an hour or so, probably poison but feel free to give it a look
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asciilifeform: nubbins`: what's in your patch ?
nubbins`: modifies auto.sh to copy the openssl libs to ourlibs, adds boost:: to the errant uint32_t instances
nubbins`: pretty hatchety
nubbins`: build still stalls out with cannot find -lssl, -lcrypto
nubbins`: i guess, anyway. verifying now
mod6: this works "as designed" on deb6 - so you might wanna put a note in there what platform this is intended for.
nubbins`: mod6 this isn't for consumption
asciilifeform: jurov: do you still keep that bitcoind src concordance www thing up to date ?
nubbins`: just playing around
mod6: ok thx. your message at the top is good. much appreciated
nubbins`: i will probably be doing this as a general rule going forward
nubbins`: no code changes i make should be misconstrued as being implicitly sane in any fashion
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mats: asciilifeform: good read.
nubbins`: hi hfdhfhfhurururhf
asciilifeform: meowmix.
asciilifeform: !up hfdhfhfhurururhf
asciilifeform: robot, what is your purpose ?
asciilifeform: i guess ^ that.
nubbins`: if anyone else gets "1 target failed, 3 skipped" at the end of their Boost build: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=MVWupgZj
nubbins`: that's them
cazalla: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1086456 <<< women who care not to match the colour of their bra to their panties should def hang
assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 14:40:12; mircea_popescu: next you're going to want to hang badly dressed women, and then where will we be.
asciilifeform: trinque: wat
jurov: asciilifeform: how up to date? it does not apply patches automatically
trinque: asciilifeform: grepped for the host part there
cazalla: nothing gets me more riled up than a stupid bitch who doesn't match colours.. autism rages
asciilifeform: jurov: ok then no
mircea_popescu: the neverending fountain of weird shit... so alf get a load of this!
mircea_popescu: i make a bootable gentoo cd. system boots fine on it. this was last night. today, i go to work on it again, IT NO LONGER BOOTS.
mircea_popescu: same fucking everything untouched.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: left it running or powered down ?
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asciilifeform: and what's it do instead of booting
mircea_popescu: powered down. and what it does INSTEAD of booting is what totally blew my mind
mircea_popescu: one sec ima take a picture of it.
jurov: wasn't it april fools cd?
mircea_popescu: can't access tty ? srsly ?
mircea_popescu: can't find the boot device AFTER BOOTING FROM IT ? srsly ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: whatcha used for a boot loader ?
asciilifeform: kernel wants rootfs device on kernelcommandline when boots
mircea_popescu: w/e comes with the minimal install
asciilifeform: was, judging by this photo, given none.
asciilifeform: it wants one
asciilifeform: or has no fucking clue where to mount root fs
mircea_popescu: it didn't want one last night ;/
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asciilifeform: was disk in the drive
asciilifeform: last night
mircea_popescu: it's still in there now!
mircea_popescu: nothing whatsoever changed.
asciilifeform: try giving it the actual root device when it asks
asciilifeform: instead of letting it die into busybox
asciilifeform: (why even built it with busybox, i wonder)
mircea_popescu: i have no idea.
mircea_popescu: moreover, im not aware i actually did
asciilifeform: didja even build this kernel.
mircea_popescu: and how the fuck does it not find the cd when it booted off the cd!
asciilifeform: cd is not build to be usable as rootfs
asciilifeform: (typically it contains a thing that can be booted from and ends up living in ram, like my pogo 'turdel')
asciilifeform: but not to be mounted as a rootfs by a normal kernel.
mircea_popescu: look. whatever whatever may be built as or not, i have two basic expectations. one is, for fucking machinery to behave the same way from night to next evening. the other, albeit weaker, is that if i get a "minimal work" thing i actually have to do minimal work.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu poured diesel into petrol engine
asciilifeform: at any rate, give it the rootfs.
asciilifeform: if boots, then stuff it into the kernel cmd line params in lilo (or grub or whatever you used)
asciilifeform: then it will work for all time.
asciilifeform: alternatively compile the cmdline into kernel per se
asciilifeform: like i do on 'pogo' builds.
mircea_popescu: if im going to actually have to do shit by hand im not going ot use the retarded "live cd" bs.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi why these people keep offering offers they can't actually offer.
asciilifeform: i very rarely install gentoo from cd, must say. normally i install using a normal computer with the 'patient' disk plugged in
asciilifeform: as just a disk.
asciilifeform: then when the contents are in place, we move disk to its final home and try to boot from it, etc.
mircea_popescu: yeah well that's nice, but srsly...
asciilifeform: look at your lilo (or grub) config.
mircea_popescu: "The Gentoo minimal installation CD is a bootable CD which contains a self-sustained Gentoo environment. It allows the user to boot Linux from the CD."
mircea_popescu: their fucking handbook or w/e that is.
asciilifeform: sure does
asciilifeform: -the linux on the cd-
mircea_popescu: is the idea im booting gentoo off the cd and it gives me ash ?!
asciilifeform: wai wat, did that box -boot from cd- ?
asciilifeform: the one in the pic
mircea_popescu: yes dude
mircea_popescu: what do you think im going on about here!
asciilifeform: though this was the second attempt to boot an -installed- linux.
mircea_popescu: see, THAT would have made sense.
asciilifeform like total idiot assumed the variant that makes sense.
mircea_popescu: this is why i said you won't believe it.
mircea_popescu: because a) even if the cd somehow failed it shouldnb't fail like this
mircea_popescu: and b) wtf.
asciilifeform: and this is a commonplace ibmpclike thing with ata cdrom, etc. ?
asciilifeform: not some crazy sun dildostation.
mircea_popescu: and i mean sure w/e i could compile it and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: but so far am very nonplussed.
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asciilifeform: meanwhile,
asciilifeform: ==00:00:00:12.322 18417== Conditional jump or move depends on uninitialised value(s)
asciilifeform: ==00:00:00:12.322 18417== at 0x4C7D43: CWallet::ResendWalletTransactions() (wallet.cpp:678)
asciilifeform: ==00:00:00:12.322 18417== by 0x44A1EB: SendMessages(CNode*, bool) (main.cpp:156)
asciilifeform: ==00:00:00:12.322 18417== by 0x47011C: ThreadMessageHandler2(void*) (net.cpp:1505)
asciilifeform: ==00:00:00:12.322 18417== by 0x4702C6: ThreadMessageHandler(void*) (net.cpp:1464)
asciilifeform: ==00:00:00:12.322 18417== by 0x64DB082: start_thread (in /lib64/libpthread-2.19.so)
asciilifeform: ==00:00:00:12.322 18417== by 0x6FEF26C: clone (in /lib64/libc-2.19.so)
asciilifeform: and several dozen more like it.
mircea_popescu: that's nice
asciilifeform: this is not weirdobuild either
asciilifeform: this is STANDARD dynamic
asciilifeform: am i the first to run full-bore valgrind on it or wut
mircea_popescu: so apparently we found satoshi
mircea_popescu: his name is mel.
asciilifeform: shatoshi
asciilifeform: and people use this thing, huh.
asciilifeform would like a copy of mircea_popescu's trinary sovcoin plz. because this is just Sad.
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asciilifeform: woodc0ll3kt0r!!!
asciilifeform: he's back!
punkman: I don't even
nubbins`: i also don't even
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nubbins`: dem filenames
nubbins` files this away for next time
trinque: holy shit the guy's made dragonballs
jurov: nubbins`: the patches need uniquie identifiers for people sending sigs later
trinque: "much like Satoshi" ahahha my sides
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nubbins`: jurov yeah i stupidly attached the shasum of my patch file to the filename
nubbins`: didn't realize the ml does it for me
jurov: lol never occurred to me someone would do it
nubbins`: lel @ woodcollector
nubbins`: he should write a book
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform check this out : if you boot off the cd, gentoo works ONCE. if you reboot it, it no longer works. if you boot machine with something else, this resets it, and you can now boot gentoo off cd again. ONCE.
asciilifeform: pathological liars don't automatically make good storytellers, much as folks with no bowel control are not by this fertilizatory virtue automatically good farmers.
mircea_popescu: wtf does it corrupt, the bios is not new enough and there's no hdd
nubbins`: mircea_popescu maybe the livecd checks the hdd for rootfs, tried to mount partially-installed one or smth
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: all boots here were 'cold' ?
asciilifeform: or 'warm'
mircea_popescu: all were cold.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` logical, but no hdd attached.
asciilifeform: as in, mains power removed ?
mircea_popescu: as in fans stopped.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: the mega-l0l of 'cookbook' is that it was usg-authored originally. << Seems to have been independently written and later blessed because of its error, contrast to "Poor Mans James Bond" written by fellow who wanted to be their friend, but his work... not blessed
mircea_popescu: you want me to actually drain the mobo light ?
mircea_popescu: ok, trying this one for my own curio
nubbins`: asciilifeform i don't think he can produce a good story -- that much is obvious -- but it'd be nice for him to condense his stupidity into a single volume that could be burned
asciilifeform: nubbins`: unfortunately - stupidity doesn't work like ova
asciilifeform: not a finite count of it in the vessel
nubbins`: you're not born with all the stupidity you'll ever have
nubbins`: hahaha
nubbins` applauds
nubbins`: anyway i guess the dude saw my auction and got jealous
nubbins`: figured giving away 5k btc is pretty ballin
nubbins`: nevermind that the entire concept is ludicrous
nubbins`: tempted to move 5k coins and post tx in the thread claiming that i've found the capsule ;/
mircea_popescu: but why add credence to idiocy.
mircea_popescu: " Inside that container is 1,000 bronze bitcoins"
asciilifeform: ick, debased roman bitcoins
mircea_popescu: i mean, buy a plural ffs.
asciilifeform: only gold bitcoin is genuine.
nubbins`: forged in a time when men were men and haters left wood carvers alone
mircea_popescu: "I have made and sold 9 2015 wooden physical bitcoins listed below. Each one of those coins has hidden in or on it a part of the puzzle. The key to decoding the first part of that puzzle is coin #10 which after much though is being given to someone whom i already chose from this forum. In order to decode each individual wooden coin you will have to have #10 in its physical presence and in order to solve the entire firs
mircea_popescu: t clue you will need to posses and have all 10 coins in the same physical location. The clues in the coins were crafted in a fashion that you will never find them let alone figure them out via photographs, with x-rays, or in any fashion other than having all the coins in the same location at the same time to solve the puzzle."
asciilifeform: know what would be riotously funny? if american 'nature preservation' agency rounded the idiot up and took'im to preet
asciilifeform: for the crime of poaching rare wood, naturally
mircea_popescu: check it out, this is pure rationality. long live bayes!
asciilifeform: self-confessed
nubbins`: mircea_popescu whoa i didn't read that far.
mircea_popescu: cold cold boot does it. where the fuck does it store its stupid bits alf ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dram remanence ?
mircea_popescu: that reliable ?!
mircea_popescu: there must be some eeprom in the bios that i don't know about.
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nubbins`: "i am so rich that 5000 btc is a mere pittance, but a bunch of forum scamzors will have to collectively shell out ~$10k in airfare in order to unravel the mystery"
asciilifeform: (whatsthat? little proggy that warmboots machine with small linux and reads dram 0..top to a usb stick.)
mircea_popescu: nubbins` funny thing is, ego and intelligence are unrelated variables at birth. plenty of people roll 6-1.
nubbins`: tbh i forgot about the guy
nubbins`: he must've been plotting this whole time
mircea_popescu: lol right.
asciilifeform: actually 'remanence' is wrong word here!
asciilifeform: because the dram was never powered down
asciilifeform: it is doing its job
mircea_popescu: as opposed to, whole thing occured to him this morning as he was sitting on shitter and contemplating what a laughingstock he is
asciilifeform: warm boot on pc arch doesn't cycle dram reset
mircea_popescu: and then he wrote it all breathlessly and didn't bother to proofread before submitting.
asciilifeform: pc owner oughta know that.
asciilifeform: (to be fair, pc arch standard is dead and what i said is probably wrong for at least every box in seven on the market.)
asciilifeform: so mircea_popescu cannot be faulted for not giving a rat's arse
mircea_popescu: well i can be faulted all anyone wants, but guyess what!
asciilifeform: my grandfather had a dacha. it did not come with a toilet, so he built one. outhouse thing, but with an actual toilet that flushed instead of the customary shit pit. this is relevant, because:
asciilifeform: as a kid i always imagined that the shit tank was bottomless.
asciilifeform: or at least, like a skyscraper, but sorta inverted
asciilifeform: into the ground.
asciilifeform: or how else could hold generations of turds.
asciilifeform: i even saw it, in dreams
asciilifeform: this titanic edifice.
asciilifeform: now i realize it was true. except not outhouse, but pc arch and the whole stack of softs.
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asciilifeform: in other news, i think i've a fixed-ram-space bitcoind running...
asciilifeform: will say, after it syncs, if so, and how
asciilifeform: also writing broadcast (s.nsa) and buncha other things in shiva hands
punkman: is there an easy way to induce an arbitrary-sized chain reorg for testing?
asciilifeform: there is not an easy way to do much of anything.
asciilifeform: what are we looking for, at the bottom of that tank? a golden ring ?
asciilifeform: i can't recall losing one...
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asciilifeform: mats: works but ver magic.
mats: 'ver magic'?
asciilifeform: mod won't load unless matches kernel ver.
mats: o.
asciilifeform: no big deal, not hard to determine.
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mircea_popescu: punkman the best way to test that sort of thing is on a local testnet with low diff.
mircea_popescu: make n chain then make reorg
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nubbins`: asciilifeform i think i've got it
nubbins`: cannot find -lssl, -lcrypto
mircea_popescu: "The computer has no way of knowing by examining the word itself, whether a word is intended as a number or an instruction. Under most circumstances it is the numbers which are operated on and the instructions which are followed as instruction. The LGP-30 has the ability to operate on instructions as numbers. This ability is not only valuable but a feature which makes for the great power of stored program computers. Ho
mircea_popescu: wever, it is always to be avoided to use numbers as instructions. Since an instruction word is indistinguishable from a number word, some means must be provided to avoid using numbers as instructions. How this is accomplished is described under "BUILDING A PROGRAM". Also, how we convert from a 2000 to the binary representation shown is discussed later."
mircea_popescu: fucking nuts.
mircea_popescu: http://ed-thelen.org/comp-hist/lgp-30-man.html#R1.00 << ancient manuals are great, but good god the stuff one finds in there
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asciilifeform: 'it is always to be avoided to use numbers as instructions.' << translation from ru? cn ?
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mircea_popescu: its english
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asciilifeform: its english << as written by su mole deep in the british ministry of fucktardation ?
mircea_popescu: someone at royal mcbee i imagine.
mircea_popescu: you wanted using instead of to use ?
asciilifeform: 'it is always to be avoided' ?????!
trinque: "using numbers as instructions should always be avoided"
trinque: weird word order
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trinque: just something you see in translations, not that a NY company's manual would be
nubbins`: others who are trying to build 0.5.3.1 on gentoo should also see above link ^
nubbins`: build script doesn't copy any of the openssl includes or libs to the ourlibs/ directory
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nubbins`: but apparently this only fails (so far) on gentoo.
trinque: it's going to get pretty difficult to follow along before long
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i must remind readers that my 'dns snip' patch does not remove all usage of dns from bitcoin
asciilifeform: only for seeding
trinque: are you gents permanently opposed to vcs?
asciilifeform: it still gets used when irc-connecting and when attempting to determine external ip from behind nat
asciilifeform: trinque: excellent question! see thread
mircea_popescu: During the conversation, the UC stated, "We read chemistry books with breakfast. Like, who does that?" VELENTZAS responded, "People who want to make history."
mircea_popescu: orly ? what about you know, every sophomore ever.
trinque finds tons of talk about venture capitalists :p
mircea_popescu: trinque what are we but vcs.
mircea_popescu: we're opposed to retards.
assbot: Logged on 15-11-2014 00:31:06; asciilifeform: but the argument here is not about sabotaged ken-thompson-style tools. but about tools that foster intellectual atrophy.
asciilifeform: ^ mandatory thread
trinque: mircea_popescu: talkin bout version control
assbot: Logged on 15-11-2014 00:34:02; asciilifeform: but i will not be signing any patch that i can't apply with my mind, in my mental model of the code.
asciilifeform: ^ this is absolutely vital to understand.
nubbins`: i haven't verified that you necessarily need to apply the dns snip patch for it to compile on gentoo
nubbins`: that getaddrinfo stuff was just a warning
nubbins`: it only happened to spit out right after the "cannot find -lssl, -lcrypto"
asciilifeform: nubbins`: it is a warning that tells you the fact that YOUR BIN WILL ONLY RUN ON YOUR BOX
asciilifeform: pretty dire so far as warnings go.
trinque: asciilifeform: heh I replied to you there as undata and the opinion still stands
trinque: but w/e you guys are doing the lifting, yours to decide
asciilifeform: trinque: try to understand why.
trinque: it's just not clear which chains of patches are which
trinque: and will increasingly be so
asciilifeform: trinque: there is precisely one set of 'official' patches
asciilifeform: that is, ones that made it into the release
asciilifeform: there is also another set, of dangerous patches which may or may not turn into tree candidates.
nubbins`: trinque this is sort of like the bible, in that various acid fevers are recorded and some of them end up being canon
trinque: lol
nubbins`: i'm not joking
asciilifeform: anyone so much as touching the dangerous patches needs to actually grasp what is going on.
nubbins`: anyway alf if you get some spare cycles, can you try my patch & verify that i'm not crazy?
mircea_popescu: you're crazy even with the patch.
nubbins`: !s simple minded psychopath
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trinque: entirely possible to use git or something else for dev, patch process for release
nubbins`: ah w/e
trinque: but I see the sense of this
nubbins`: i think the original was hyphenated
asciilifeform: trinque: do you know the biblical story about the camel's nose ?
mircea_popescu: trinque honestly im just waiting for them to get buried in more pizza packaging first.
asciilifeform: well, pseudo-biblical
trinque: asciilifeform: something something nose tent
ben_vulpes: trinque: i keep my own vcs system and apply patches directly from mu4e
ben_vulpes: branch, apply patch, run tests in vm
ben_vulpes: attempt to compile et
trinque: so now what if you want to collaborate on a branch
trinque: you're just manually doing the same thing
trinque shrugs
asciilifeform: it is NOT the same thing!
ben_vulpes: nobody's collaborating on anything man
ben_vulpes: the shitty thing doesn't even compile yet
trinque: and this is desirable?
nubbins`: ben_vulpes yes it does :)
asciilifeform: it doesn't compile -statically-
ben_vulpes: ah, nubbins -- sanity!
ben_vulpes: well, yes.
ben_vulpes: compiles to my requirements.
nubbins`: asciilifeform yes it does!
asciilifeform: trinque: do you recall the conversation about sov. nuke subs ?
asciilifeform: and their reactor controls
ben_vulpes: does *not* compile to my requirements, i mean.
asciilifeform: the same outcome is not proof that you are 'doing the same thing'
assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 13:37:28; nubbins`: but he fears others will think it sucks, or worse, that his taste is so poor that it *does* suck and he just doesn't see it
asciilifeform: sometimes, the -process- matters.
trinque: ok, I am aware of your perspective
asciilifeform: because the -process- provides guarantees of...
asciilifeform: !s provenance
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trinque: you can easily verify the output of git
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> nobody's collaborating on anything man << this is like the first time ever people are seriously using a noncollaborative approach to coding.
asciilifeform: programmers as a class have severe trouble with this concept, in my experience
nubbins`: haha
asciilifeform: because they live & die by idempotence of identical bits
nubbins`: the adversarial approach to development
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform only whores masquerading as programmers.
asciilifeform: (also see the 'what colour are your bits' essay)
mircea_popescu: "it rubbed me nicely, same thing"
trinque: not at all what I'm saying
nubbins` snoozes while waiting for bitcoind to find seeds
asciilifeform: trinque: when you use a version control apparatus, it is very easy to produce patches that cannot be applied using your mind
asciilifeform: and this quickly becomes the only kind of patch produced.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform eventually that list jurov keeps will become unusable as a flat thing, you are aware.
nubbins`: "patch" = updating 5,000 files at once
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: eventually
mircea_popescu: even if your version control is strictly "X -> Y -> Z" which are all control points
trinque: if you can't rely on the discipline of the people involved you're already fucked
mircea_popescu: it's still fucking version control.
trinque: running diff and patch by hand isn't going to fix it
asciilifeform: nubbins`: laugh, but what do you imagine would happen if one of us were to, e.g., reindent it.
nubbins`: asciilifeform i used that example because i've seen precisely this sort of bullshit committed to svn
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asciilifeform: trinque: it's a deliberate antiautomation, to keep things short
asciilifeform: like the orators who were forced to stand on one leg
nubbins`: <+trinque> if you can't rely on the discipline of the people involved you're already fucked <<< by this metric, /we have been fucked from day one/
nubbins`: have you LOOKED at the code? :S
trinque: you're just intentionally misunderstanding me now :p
trinque: who is "we" there?
nubbins`: for dramatic effect
trinque: everyone who ever poked his dick into the github?
nubbins`: everyone who ever poked his dick in pre-0.5.4 bitcoin
asciilifeform: the approach does not 'fix' anything, no. but it prevents certain plagues that are otherwise ubiquitous
asciilifeform: and 100% fatal.
trinque: by that logic you should never drive, because the machine's capable of 130mph into a brick wall
trinque: anyhow, proceed as you like
nubbins`: noooooo, the analogy would be a car with a governor that kicks in at 200kph
nubbins`: y'know, like they have in actual cars in real life
trinque: "actual cars" ?
nubbins`: <+trinque> you're just intentionally misunderstanding me now :p
trinque: ahahha
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nubbins`: for the record, your car is almost certainly not "capable" of doing anything at 130mph
nubbins`: except maybe freefalling
mircea_popescu: this is why you like the two ton mercedes.
mircea_popescu: flies at 200km/h
nubbins`: ehh, i once got a chrysler neon up to 205.
nubbins`: (this only works downhill)
trinque: nubbins`: my old 300zx could certainly do 130
trinque: current vw crapwagon nope
nubbins`: trinque and is your 300zx for granny smith, or for a driver who knows the risks?
mircea_popescu: the only time i trusted a us pos i had a break plate of a ford explode. just like that.
nubbins`: and thus, the analogy complete.
mircea_popescu: we nearly fucking died.
nubbins`: height=6538
nubbins` applauds
mircea_popescu: look a tthat. that's almost like a modern block's worth altogether.
trinque: mircea_popescu: damn, yeah I don't drive american cars
mircea_popescu: i don't drive either, but yeah.
mircea_popescu: in fairness this was prolly assembled in canada out of vietnamese parts or some shit. "american" what's that.
trinque: nubbins`: wait so granny smith is who you want working on bitcoind?
nubbins`: again, you deliberately misunderstand
trinque: all I'm saying is use tools that don't slow down the work, and have merge nazis using shame and dishonor at the center
nubbins`: it's not a question of who i want working on it
nubbins`: or of who i "want" "working" on it
trinque: the problem's solved by the wot not diff and patch
nubbins`: i dunno man
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ben_vulpes: trinque: you and i can collaborate any time that we want, by derping at our respective repos
trinque: I am well convinced that you guys like your process and there's nothing wrong with that.
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ben_vulpes: i don't like it, it's just the ad-hoc thing that works today
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jurov: https://shapeshift.io/blog.html wow, evoor is really intrepid
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jurov: "creator of SatoshiDICE" my ass.
BingoBoingo: He bought SatoshiDice and retained the creator for some time, yes?
jurov: yes
nubbins`: breaking: erik voorhees falsely claims to have created things that he didn't
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asciilifeform: <ben_vulpes> i don't like it, it's just the ad-hoc thing that works today << i'm not convinced that there could be any reasonable alternative.
asciilifeform: for so long as the thing needs changing at all - this is how it is changed.
assbot: [Seriously] This will most likely hail downvotes, but let me try anyway... I am prostitute, how can I accept Bitcoin? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ic2K4W )
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asciilifeform: 26. Secret Service searched Facebook for the name Jack Farrel and discovered a Facebook user site for an individual named Jack Farrel who claimed to live in Uganda. This user's Facebook site also had photographs of Jack Farrel.
asciilifeform: 27. A.B. was shown one of the photographs from Jack Farrel's Facebook site. A.B. confirmed that this photograph was the Jack Farrel who provided him with the counterfeit Federal Reserve Notes.
asciilifeform: 28. Facial recognition analysis matched Jack Farrel's photograph with a Texas Department of Motor Vehicle photo of RYAN ANDREW GUSTAFSON.
assbot: Full text of "gov.uscourts.pawd.220730.1.1.pdf (PDFy mirror)" ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ic3GGp )
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asciilifeform: 'At the time, Clock argued that he was simply a sort of benevolent overlord. "I decided to help other people and give them this opportunity, I see myself as a do gooder, I know many might argue with that, but when you get people coming to you saying they used to have NOTHING and were begging on a street corner looking for $30 and now he's a boss, sure makes me feel good," he added. "I actually feel more of a [R]obinhood and en
asciilifeform: joy helping people who have nothing, I create jobs.. I do better then [sic] [O]bama creating jobs my employees are all happy now."'
asciilifeform: but 'Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi.' (TM)
danielpbarron: !up Bagels7
assbot: Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Frntyd )
assbot: Икар и мудрецы (Союзмультфильм) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FrnKRD )
asciilifeform: 'icarus and the wise men'
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asciilifeform: mega-recommended ^
asciilifeform: (mostly self-explanatory without transl.)
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: do you do email in emacs? i've been using mu4e and am about out of patience - coming back around to "show me the ancient tools that handle this ancient problem".
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i typically compose in emacs but do not use it as a 'client'
asciilifeform: (nor anything else)
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asciilifeform: i most often use 'squirrelmail', a prehistoric www frontend to own mailserv
asciilifeform: for a few things, even 'gmail'
ben_vulpes: i'm particularly frustrated at verifying sigs and what has one.
nubbins`: some guy came across a bunch of old bmezine saline-injection pics
nubbins`: (for those wondering wtfx1000, the saline completely absorbs into your tissue after a few hours)
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> He bought SatoshiDice and retained the creator for some time, yes? << an' settled with the sec, to boot.
BingoBoingo: Seriously impresive stuff, just why inflate the credentials like a Turk?
mircea_popescu: jurov: "creator of SatoshiDICE" my ass. << that claim's interesting. i guess double jeopardy brings out the best in people ?
mircea_popescu: anyway. i guess coinapult died ? i seem to recall a seed round about that one.
nubbins`: i remember coinapult
mircea_popescu: "ShapeShift was built as a demonstration of this principle: exchanges occur without custodianship of user funds. Indeed, there are no user accounts whatsoever."
mircea_popescu: so you need seed funding for that ?
nubbins`: woo stateless web!
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mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1087347 << sounds suspiciously like parallel construction.
assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 22:58:16; asciilifeform: 28. Facial recognition analysis matched Jack Farrel's photograph with a Texas Department of Motor Vehicle photo of RYAN ANDREW GUSTAFSON.
assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 23:18:29; asciilifeform: i most often use 'squirrelmail', a prehistoric www frontend to own mailserv
mircea_popescu: !up mbailin
assbot: coinbase.com | WOT Reputation Scorecard | WOT (Web of Trust) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Icbecv )
nubbins`: u wot m8
nubbins`: haha child safety wtf
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Check the user reviews
mircea_popescu: from the "let's make something stupid and call it our own" department, today the unconnected tap.
mircea_popescu: onlyslightlyrusted.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo amusingly, i can't negrate it because i don't have enough javascript.
mircea_popescu: "must be this dumb to ride!"
nubbins`: nor can i. guess you gotta log in
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Isn't that what the designated pr0n computer is for?
nubbins`: compiling buildroot is a snoozefest
nubbins`: ~3.5 hours last time but i think i've got more shit enabled this run
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assbot: Bitcoin and the dangerous fantasy of ‘apolitical’ money | Yanis Varoufakis ... ( http://bit.ly/1NNtIQD )
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mircea_popescu: easily the most commented on post of that "someone in the blogosphere"'s.
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nubbins`: !up Guest6009
nubbins`: !up julmac
nubbins`: !up Guest33494
nubbins`: i'd like to start by welcoming our distinguished guests
nubbins`: you may be wondering why i've assembled you all here
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Does it involve a biopsy punch?
nubbins`: i've done things in the past that involved biopsy punches, but this isn't such an event
nubbins`: protip: have some fruit juice on hand, you tend to get dizzy
nubbins`: if your vision starts to fade, tell someone
BingoBoingo was thinking of an alternative to hancuffs. Involves padlock, biopsy punch, and two hands
BingoBoingo figures La Sernissima is economy oriented by might not want to go zip tie cheap, though "Master"Lock is cheaper than handcuffs
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nubbins`: you can get some tough zip ties
mircea_popescu: you can get zip ties on a braided steel basis.
nubbins`: but, fwiw, you also raise eyebrows buying biopsy punches as a private citizen
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Nah, just other things with them to lower the eyebrows back down.
nubbins`: wtf else am i gonna buy at a medical supply store
mircea_popescu: enema kits.
nubbins`: a poop stool isn't gonna make the biopsy pu... oh, hm
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Well, if you want to seem normal... specimin slides, gauze, various dyes, and yes enema kits
nubbins`: yeah that'd do it
mircea_popescu: two 100 boxes of biopsy punches and 24 enema kits
nubbins`: "you a doctor?" "nope" "...cash or credit?"
BingoBoingo: Go into the store with a list. You boss sent you. "Busy Afternoon"
nubbins`: in the guy's defense he didn't press further
mircea_popescu: speaking of skin cancer : did you know that mohs for melanoma works or doesn't work entirely depending on whoever does it ?
mircea_popescu: it might be the one still medical disease left.
BingoBoingo: ^ True
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: But seriously if they ask about your Boss "Dad, he's at the farm with the Vet" "It's looking like we'll have to put them all down"
nubbins`: duod this was like 15 years ago ;/
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: The pretext for picking up a few hundred biopsy punches. You never know what the future holds
asciilifeform: nubbins`: ~3.5 hours last time but i think i've got more shit enabled this run << ?!?!?! what are you using, a vax ?! 3.5 hours?
nubbins`: haha
nubbins`: a not well endowed vm
nubbins`: BingoBoingo whatever it holds, i've no further need for biopsy punches
nubbins`: although i've occasionally wished i had one while holding a particularly plump tangelo
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: What if research determines wetware could benefit from integral faraday cage?
nubbins`: something draws me to it
nubbins`: BingoBoingo then i guess i'd have to fill all these fistulas up again
BingoBoingo: But yes, there's also the non-meat culinary, gardening, and engineering uses for the things
mircea_popescu: btw re anarchist cookbook thing, it seems there's a bit of americana in there.
mircea_popescu: it seems : that the original author pulled a deepthroat, that the original publisher owned the rights to it
nubbins`: asciilifeform 4gb ram but only 1 cpu core
mircea_popescu: and that this arrangement came to a halt recently, when some arkansas derps bought it, and are republishing a widely bowdlerized version.
asciilifeform: who the fuck -buys- 'anarchist's cookbook'
asciilifeform: what's next, -buy- 'the bastard operator from hell' ?
mircea_popescu: americana, i say.
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mircea_popescu: (btw, i'd have figured you bought a hardcopy of tbofh)
asciilifeform: in my mind they only exist as ascii txt.
asciilifeform: it'd feel truly strange to behold either on dead tree.
BingoBoingo: Urban legend in library world is that "Anarchist's Cookbook" and "Steal this Book" are titles that would outrage censors who find them in library catalogs long after library patron's had liberated them from the shelves.
nubbins`: <+asciilifeform> who the fuck -buys- 'anarchist's cookbook' <<<
nubbins`: BingoBoingo all the fun books were missing from my uni's library
mircea_popescu gets flashbacks of alf dissatisfied with heroin on market, starting work on own poppies.
mircea_popescu: IN AN EMULATOR!
nubbins`: phun phact, many flower shops sell opium poppy pods, dried
mircea_popescu: they grow wild in europe.
mircea_popescu: wheat crop pest actually.
nubbins`: blue seas
nubbins`: i made tea from seeds once but chickened out
mircea_popescu: ;;google cimp cu maci
gribble: Câmp cu maci (2011) on Vimeo: <https://vimeo.com/94752660>; Fotografii maci pe Comunitate Foto: <http://www.comunitatefoto.ro/fotografii/tag/maci/>; Camp de maci - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2wgT2N74zY>
mircea_popescu: one of the most cliche painting subjects too
mats: nubbins`: SWIM bought seeds, like you, and made a paste that we smoked. it was a lot of effort and very mild.
nubbins`: gross
mats: i think he boiled the stuff and then just let the water evaporate.
trinque: SWIM ... "we smoked" << lol
mats: i'm new to this subterfuge thing.
trinque: man I remember discovering erowid back when
nubbins`: what a rabbit hole
mircea_popescu: afaik the paste (very finely ground seeds with butter) is widely used as a filling
mircea_popescu: at least, it was in a bunch of traditional romanian pastries i never cared for.
nubbins`: same seeds on, say, poppyseed bagels
nubbins`: poor elaine ;/
mats: seinfeld reference.
mircea_popescu: they put it in cozonac instead of proper black wallnut paste, it's appalling.
BingoBoingo: <nubbins`> same seeds on, say, poppyseed bagels << Yes "legit" opioids come from the waste straw from food cultivation of the seeds
danielpbarron: nubbins`> i made tea from seeds once but chickened out << i've had poppy tea; it was very pleasurable
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo afaik no, they compete.
mircea_popescu: they want the latex, which means that pod won't produce.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> they want the latex, which means that pod won't produce. << Depends on whose definition of "legit" production. Pharma usually takes straw for processing.
BingoBoingo: less total alkaloids, but useful to them is less of a mix of alkaloids survive that far into the plant's life
BingoBoingo: Also keeps less people from being involved in the harvest compared to labor intensive latex harvesting
mircea_popescu: mats someone who is not you could have bought a shitton of seeds, ground them finely, poured straight vinegar on the whole mess, let it sit for a while, then wash it all out and enjoy.
mircea_popescu: what's smoking supposed to do.
mats: making the stuff and smoking it wasn't my idea
mats: but i thought, hey, you know, i'll try this stuff that white folk used to enslave a generation of my ancestors
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mircea_popescu: wait, wut ?
mircea_popescu: ah, mats is from aznland ?
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mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/who-made-this/#comment-113438 << seems the author of the bitcoin spaceghost hjas come forward
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mircea_popescu: notbad either
mats: ya.
asciilifeform: ^ for anyone who thought 'eh why do we need static anyway, at the very least on pogo'
asciilifeform: ^ this kind of binary -did- run on arch, etc.
asciilifeform: because the turds were present.
asciilifeform: there is a fucking -reason- why the gnomes sabotaged static building.
asciilifeform: [root@alarm ~]# ldd bitcoind
asciilifeform: libdl.so.2 => /usr/lib/libdl.so.2 (0xb6f57000)
asciilifeform: libpthread.so.0 => /usr/lib/libpthread.so.0 (0xb6f2e000)
asciilifeform: libstdc++.so.6 => /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 (0xb6e52000)
asciilifeform: libm.so.6 => /usr/lib/libm.so.6 (0xb6da3000)
asciilifeform: libgcc_s.so.1 => /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so.1 (0xb6d74000)
danielpbarron: !up junseth
asciilifeform: libc.so.6 => /usr/lib/libc.so.6 (0xb6c2e000)
asciilifeform: /lib/ld-linux.so.3 (0xb6f6c000)
asciilifeform: ^ on arch.
junseth: You guys are great. Don't read it everyday, but I enjoy stumbling on the Bitcoin-assets stuff from time to time.
junseth: Haha. Glad I stumbled on the trilema post too. Your content is always really spot on +mircea_popescu
danielpbarron: wow not often I encounter someone who has not only heard of b-a or trilema but also actually likes them
danielpbarron: !up Bagels7
junseth: Haha. Well, I wouldn't say I have heard of Bitcoin assets so much as stumbled on ya'lls stuff from time to time.
danielpbarron: like where? where is it that is allowing b-a content to the surface ?
danielpbarron: got me shadowbanned on reddit
junseth: Haha did it?
junseth: Man, it's always weird shit
danielpbarron: well /r/bitcoin at least
junseth: I can tell you how I got here today
junseth: I wanted to see where the space ghost image had gotten to
junseth: so I went to images.google.com and threw the URL in there.
junseth: And voilla, I end up at both trilema and the bitcoin-assets log
danielpbarron: most things that are worth googling will lead to those results
junseth: You guys are like Florida. No one comes here on purpose. They end up here.
danielpbarron: so do you have gpg by any chance?
Bagels7: I'm just here for the random violent porn
mircea_popescu: o hey junseth
junseth: I actually don't, believe it or not. I've been doing bitcoin since like 2008 ;P and I have never bothered to give a hoot about making sure I have a provable identity.
mircea_popescu: that sorta claim won't make friends.
mircea_popescu: anyway, never too late to get straightened out
junseth: Hahaha. Just kidding about the date.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you will notice the "eh why" point never actually came up ? somewhat to my surprise honestly.
mircea_popescu: junseth so what do you do ? for a living i mean.
junseth: alarmgrid.com
junseth: I am a marketer. I own a DIY home security company.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and i only tested because had another debastardizer that i wanted to test.
mircea_popescu: junseth how's that going ?
asciilifeform: (there is no simple way to test these on pc, because linux has idiotically unsegregated memory stats and hard to say precisely how much is eaten -by bitcoind- vs disk cache)
junseth: Good. It's growing.
cazalla: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1087484 <<< usually one or two deaths from this each year in tasmania given to the fact they grow pharma quality poppis aka the good shit and some kids take to the fields to grab a few pods for a brew
assbot: Logged on 04-04-2015 00:20:38; nubbins`: i made tea from seeds once but chickened out
junseth: 3rd year
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the lseek error seems perhaps reminiscent of the fat problems ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it appears to be a deep-seated retardation in busybox's e2fs utils
cazalla: anyway.. they have a public health site for the tassie poppies http://notyouraveragepoppy.org.au/
assbot: Not Your Average Poppy... The human body cannot process the chemicals in the Tasmanian poppy. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NNETsN )
mircea_popescu: junseth basically everything you sell is honeywell ?
junseth: At the moment. We're putting some 2gig up. GE eventually.
junseth: But yeah, I optimize one thing at a time
mircea_popescu: "Tasmanian poppies are highly toxic if ingested. They are uniquely different to standard poppies and have been developed to produce chemicals suitable for industrial processing only." << check out the proper use of ge huh.
junseth: so we own the Honeywell search terms
mircea_popescu: "make them secrete ricin too!"
junseth: Now onto the next products.
junseth: Haha, but as you can see, at nights, ont he weekends, I do Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: "libc.so.6 => not found" << what the shit ?!
mircea_popescu: junseth " The US has kept inflation down to around 3-4% for the most part since the beginning of central banking in the US." << you know that is atrociously untrue.
mircea_popescu: look into volcker, the problem he addressed, how he addressed it etc.
junseth: Haha, I like to play with this argument. If you want we can have it. I'll bite. What do you believe inflation to be?
mircea_popescu: us had inflation over 10% a year (not counting moimentary flareups of 1000% APY for a day or w/e) almost each decade.
mircea_popescu: depends on your definition of inflation. by my definition of inflation, the us experiences about 15% a year, on average, since 2000. that's exacerbating over time, so 2015 may well see 30%+
junseth: Ok. So let's work with those numbers. At 10% per year for over a decade, what you're claiming is that the basket of goods you would be purchasing would have increased abotu 3x in the last decade.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> junseth " The US has kept inflation down to around 3-4% for the most part since the beginning of central banking in the US." << you know that is atrociously untrue. << But for the lizards who got to see their cocaine prices drop nearly six fold over 3 decades...
junseth: Hahaha
mircea_popescu: junseth roughly.
mircea_popescu: behold : i declare my basket.
junseth: Hahaha
asciilifeform: the most entertaining aspect is the gymnastics carried out so u.s. folks can say 'ahahah, inflation 30% but where then is the $30/gl. petrol'
mircea_popescu: take three houses in the top 10% land value areas of the country, take college funds for twelve children.
asciilifeform: and a few other massive 'rob peter to pay paul' operations around which the entire orchestra revolves
mircea_popescu: divide the sum of this basked in 1965 with the sum of this basket today
mircea_popescu: take into account the incredible decay in quality
junseth: I mean, if what you usually purchase is 3x more expensive now than it was a decade ago, I am baffled.
mircea_popescu: (hey, if the usg is pretending like increases in quality wash inflation away, same argument can be used the other way too)
mircea_popescu: and you'll notice we're looking at 10x not 3x.
mircea_popescu: so : five to ten as bad college today as compared to 1965, which costs 100k instead of 10k. this is about 50x to 100x factor.
junseth: I mean, this purported decay in quality involves the development of computers in your hand, cheaper foods a la GMOs (Norman Borlaug), and other nonesuch.
mircea_popescu: much shittier houses today than in 1965, about a margin of 2 to 3, that cost... 30x more, just about.
mircea_popescu: the purported decay in quality involves specifically this : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIhk9eKOLzQ
assbot: MIT graduates cannot power a light bulb with a battery. - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NNGwGK )
junseth: RE: college, it's not a fair metric. College inflation is largely a lie. The college I went to cost $45k/year. I paid $3k per year because the number they make you pay and the sticker price are completely different.
mircea_popescu: i am not discussing your idea of a fair metric.
mircea_popescu: i told you my metric. that's the metric.
mircea_popescu: if i go to the tailor and i tell him i want pants that are nine feet long, he doesn't get to tell me pant length is not a fair metric.
mircea_popescu: !up junseth
mircea_popescu: fact remains you ARE stuck paying for college. and you are stuck paying for "owning" a "house".
mircea_popescu: compared to this, i couldn't care less what ipads cost.
mircea_popescu: seeing how i don't use them anyway.
junseth: Hahaha. Well, fair enough. Give me a few minutes. I have to leave my office. I'll come back and do more of this.
mircea_popescu: the b-a is eternal.
mats: 21:41:40 <+junseth> RE: college, it's not a fair metric. College inflation is largely a lie. << you're wrong.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what boggles most about those gymnastics is the fact that somehow the same people don't link the dots between "unaffordable health care" and "inflation". isn't this strange ?
junseth: I will say this though, I am a very strong believer in the Chicago school of economics which says that deep markets are efficient. So, inflation, for me, tends to be uninetresting, because you can very very easily hedge against it.
mircea_popescu: this is at best naive.
mircea_popescu: markets are only efficient if they exist
mircea_popescu: the us hasn't had a market economy for a century now.
junseth: It might be. I invite you to explain why it's naive. If you can tell me your inputs, I can tell you why I agree or disagree.
mircea_popescu: ballet is not "an efficient market", for instance. even if it exists, phenomenologically.
mircea_popescu: not everything that happens to be perceptible is automatically a free market by virtue of that.
mircea_popescu: a play about the free market, for instance, is not itself a free market.
decimation: junseth: if the bond market is 'efficient' (for example), why does it seem to oscillate between 'rally' and 'sell-off' seemingly dependent on how the fed might act?
decimation: pretty good podcast http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2015/02/michael_munger_1.html >" But that manipulation will not be apparent to people unless they have seen this technical result. Which means that you sort of--you can have shamans, people who know the rules, be in charge in ways that are tantamount to dictatorship. So, we should be very skeptical about claims that 'this is what the people want.' I think ontologically, that is, in
assbot: " + soundfiledesc + " ... ( http://bit.ly/1GaWGJh )
decimation: terms of existence, the idea of the will of the people is a genie or will o' the wisp, that we shouldn't really believe in. But for technical reasons, that notion of outcomes being the will of the people, we should be very skeptical about."
mircea_popescu: anyways ill bbl.
decimation: asciilifeform: re: official platform > I agree, it would be useful if a single build platform
decimation: I suggest perhaps i486 on freebsd
danielpbarron: !up junseth
junseth: Thanks
danielpbarron: if you register a gpg key with assbot, i'm sure someone here will give you a +1 which would let you voice yourself, and that lasts longer than 30 minutes
junseth: One second, let me catch up
decimation: i486 has a fairly simple instruction set, and it has the advantage of being still 'executable' on modern cpus
junseth: That's a very good idea. I'll do taht probably a little later tonight.
junseth: I really should have done it a long time ago
asciilifeform: <decimation> i486 has a fairly simple instruction set, <<< ahahahhahahahahaha.
asciilifeform: mmm, no.
asciilifeform: (and don't forget the chipset, bus, etc. idiocies.)
decimation: well, it's simpler than 'pentium'
decimation: well, i386 is dumb because it lacks floating point
decimation: failing that I was thinking mips with some variant of solaris
junseth: RE: the discussion about markets, I generally disagree with the notion that markets don't work. I know it's a common mantra. But markets, even decently regulated ones, work pretty well. Regulated markets price in the cost of regulation.
danielpbarron: i don't think the argument posed was that they don't work, but that the U.S. hasn't had one for the last century
decimation: junseth: how does the market 'work' when it's being systematically manipulated in ways that the participants cannot readily observe?
asciilifeform: decimation: solaris?!!!!?
decimation: I'm referring to the now defunct 'open solaris'
decimation: it has the advantage that it is dead, which limits the urge to 'upgrade'
assbot: Logged on 06-12-2014 04:36:48; asciilifeform: solaris was a perfectly-legit unix
asciilifeform: i demand fewest bytes - period
asciilifeform: because will eventually have to read the disasm.
asciilifeform: unless one of you volunteer.
decimation: in that case, a simple instruction set is a boon
asciilifeform has a confession to make
asciilifeform bought a 2-sided laser printer and printed 0.5.3
asciilifeform could no more resist this.
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asciilifeform: for bedroom, for now, eventually it will join the bookcase full of similar 3rings
decimation: asciilifeform: did you colorize it
junseth: decimation: What do you define as "manipulation?"
BingoBoingo: <decimation> it has the advantage that it is dead, which limits the urge to 'upgrade' << Thing is also huge, bloated
asciilifeform: no color
asciilifeform: traditional b&w printer
decimation: BingoBoingo: ah but it has functional 'dtrace'
BingoBoingo: decimation: Do you want to make sense of ZFS turd?
decimation: junseth: well, in the simple case, the quantity of dollars that are 'allowed' to exist
decimation: zfs isn't needed to boot
asciilifeform unlike BingoBoingo, is not enamoured of 1980s commercial unixen
asciilifeform: even if 'opened' posthumously
decimation: asciilifeform: well, what would you suggest? buildroot?
danielpbarron: junseth, see also the arbitrary banning of various goods
BingoBoingo: Solaris in all likelyhood far too heavy and greasy to adapt to embedable minimalism
asciilifeform: buildroot.
decimation: on 486?
asciilifeform: on mips
asciilifeform: unrelated,
trinque: decimation: junseth: and the subsidy of various "goods"
asciilifeform: i have the arm turd from the failed test (see earlier listserv post) running on 'arch'
junseth: Haha, well the question is what was the alternative. The alternative before the Fed was not necessarily better. I'm not a fan of central banks. But I think it's disingenuous to say that the central bank hasn't done a decent job of "running" the currency. The solution is to solve the problems caused by central banking. I think that's why we're all Bitcoiners.
asciilifeform: 105300+ and no oom
trinque: junseth: I'm a "bitcoiner" to see central banking go extinct
asciilifeform: its a standard skull'n'crossbone orphanage burner with max cap set to 25
asciilifeform: and non-rollovering debug.log
nubbins`: nice
asciilifeform: ^ what kind of retard made debug.log roll over?
asciilifeform: surely not satoshi ?
asciilifeform: why even have it, if it randomly loses itself
nubbins`: "a finite amount of log should be good enough for anybody"
junseth: trinque: I don't know many Bitcoiners who would disagree. I'm just less vehement about that happening. I think Bitcoin is better money.
danielpbarron: ah yes, good habit to cat .bitcoin/debug.log >> debug.log between each restart
decimation: junseth: " But anyway, if you look at that case, if you look at other cases, I think the pattern is pretty clear that the least restricted systems are the ones that performed best from the point of view of the average user of money. And those were systems that were on gold or silver standards. And there doesn't seem to have been any great dissatisfaction with that. There were proposals by some economists to try to have a system that
decimation: was even more stable in purchasing power. But in retrospect, the variations in the purchasing power of the dollar under the classical gold standard were trivial compared to what it's been under the post-gold-standard period, the fiat dollar standard. "
assbot: " + soundfiledesc + " ... ( http://bit.ly/19QrLDS )
danielpbarron: junseth, bitcoin is better money because of its decentralized nature
mats: oh thank god there's a transcript
decimation: mats: yeah it's a good episode, I recommend it
junseth: Do you think that Bitocin would be better if it were backed by gold or silver?
danielpbarron: such a thing makes no sense
BingoBoingo: !up KatelynTaylor
mats: what would that even entail?
KatelynTaylor: whats better AMD or Intel?
KatelynTaylor: what can run bitcoin better?
asciilifeform: !down meowmix
decimation: ^ the above is lifted out of a section where dr. white was talking about how the scotish banking system was crushed by bank of england fiat banking
asciilifeform: !down KatelynTaylor
asciilifeform: dearphuq.
BingoBoingo: !down KatelynTaylor meowmix
mats: market maker offers exchange for metallics?
junseth: danielbparron, Well, I would say that electronic, non-government controlled money is better money. Bitcoin's decentralization lets us take advantage of those better features. Previous attempts at using what we all agreed would have been better were shutdown because they were centralized.
asciilifeform: 'Sometimes it is a comfort to me to think that the aeroplane is altering the conditions of war. Perhaps when the next great war comes we may see that sight unprecedented in all history, a jingo with a bullet-hole in him.' -- orwell. but i'd ask for 'an economist starved to death'
danielpbarron: junseth, bitcoin is inherently valuable; it needs nothing else to back it
trinque: !s gold
assbot: 1853 results for 'gold' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gold
danielpbarron: i like gold; i'd hapily accept gold coins in some sort of local economy
junseth: I agree backing bitcoin with metal doesn't make sense. But there are so many scams that are showing up these days that are taking advantage of the sentiment that a gold/silver backed crypto would be better.
junseth: RE: Bitcoin's inherent value, I agree.
danielpbarron: but i'd keep my savings in bitcoin, using it to replentish my gold coins on a monthly basis or something
nubbins`: sort of like how a car with a built-in stove would be better
asciilifeform: junseth: there are also many scams which promise to run your car on water. for some reason their existence doesn't bother folks who aren't drooling idiots.
punkman: car-stove sounds good
asciilifeform: how many nerve cells does it take to understand that a random net derp cannot back X with Y, for any value of x or y
decimation: junseth: the kinds of folks who would 'fall' for those scams are generally not the kind who are going to matter in bitcoin over the long term
junseth: hahaha, absolutely true.
asciilifeform: nor would he, if could
decimation: bitcoin is a fiat currency, but is also radically decentralized
decimation: but its foundation of trust lies fully in its protocol and specification
decimation: which is why the work of the foundation is so important
asciilifeform: !up junseth
junseth: :) Haha. I agree with all of that.
junseth: I would be willing to bet a lot of money that we agree on almost everything Bitcoin ,an dprobably disagree a lot about how markets work.
asciilifeform: junseth: do you believe that it is appropriate to use the word 'market' to describe a system where the crown is the single largest economic actor ?
junseth: Hmm... well, I would say that ther eis probably no such thing as a unregulated market. But any place that exists wher epeople transact is a market.
asciilifeform: junseth: how about a puppet show where kermit the frog 'buys' a bag of 'fuzzies' from miss piggy ?
asciilifeform: is that also a 'market' ?
asciilifeform: if not, why not ?
trinque: nothing in *life* is unregulated but this is distinct from saying *all* regulations come from *one* place
junseth: haha, a market of two people is a market.
junseth: a market of two things is a market
junseth: Haha, I would probably apply the supreme court porn test to whether somethign is a market or not
asciilifeform: how about n people and one demented omnipotent monster who can eat them at will.
trinque: so the word means nothing
trinque: junseth: are two male chimps in a cage a viable ecosystem?
junseth: Haha, well a market is a place where individuals come and transact. That's what it means. What does it look like? I mean, it can look like a lot of things. But a marketplace doesn't have to look like any one thing.
junseth: Hahaha. Are they intelligent enough to make trades and transact?
asciilifeform: words have -meanings.'
trinque: didn't say transact
trinque: junseth: I am drawing a parallel between functioning natural ecosystems and functioning markets
decimation: asciilifeform: ok let's say you employ buildroot. which kernel? which gcc/glib?
asciilifeform: decimation: 'easy' - the ones that -work-.
asciilifeform: the kernel, for what it's worth, is not a sticking point.
decimation: I would suggest a redhat-patched gcc actually
decimation: well, they follow exactly the method you advocate
asciilifeform: what method would that be
decimation: if you look at the contents of a src.rpm it's a collection of patches with the original tarball
asciilifeform: redhat is more or less the last thing i want to use for anything linux-related.
asciilifeform: it is indelibly stained.
decimation: I get it, but a patch is a patch
asciilifeform: for what do i need these stooges' patches ?
decimation: certainly I'm not saying that they should be taken on redhat's name alone
asciilifeform: what the hell is wrong with naked, classical gcc.
asciilifeform: straight from rms's arse
decimation: well, many of them are probably not useful in the context of buildroot
trinque: lol
decimation: but some of them are probably fixes for obscure bugs that might be useful to know about
asciilifeform: i don't want any redhat patches. if were any good, would have made it back into mainline.
asciilifeform: i do not want them in the zoo, i do not want them with a gnu, i do not want them in a house, i do not want them with a mouse, ... , ...
decimation: i admit that many of them are probably useful bugfixes that are backported
asciilifeform: i do not want them in a lake, i do not want them on the stake, ...
decimation: redhat is used in many places
decimation: perhaps not 'avionics grade', but there is quite a bit of 'fix this shit'
asciilifeform has used, did not like.
asciilifeform: because, aside from the authorship,
asciilifeform: it is neither minimal, nor clean, nor self-reconstructing.
decimation: asciilifeform: well, self-reconstructing is one thing, but certainly the very 'base' install isn't much bigger than a buildroot
junseth: "junseth: I am drawing a parallel between functioning natural ecosystems and functioning markets" I'm not sure what you mean. Can you
junseth: expound.
decimation: I suppose my overall point is that if the build target is 'frozen', someone is gonna have to maintain the infrastructure
decimation: so one can take advantage of that which exists already commercially, or 'do it self'
nubbins`: enouhg monkey-football for one weekend
nubbins`: nite
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asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu broadcast sent
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: turdogram!
asciilifeform: s.nsa broadcast
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu kindly decruftifies them for me before they are posted.
decimation: re: discussion about paper keys < I wonder if a set of symbols in combination with a very simple 'ocr' algorithm might work
asciilifeform: 'simple' ocr ?!!!
decimation: well, think q-r code
decimation: which isn't terribly simple, I admit
assbot: Logged on 31-03-2015 20:23:48; ascii_field: Chillum: barcode reader is simple enough conceptually that it doesn't need a cpu.
asciilifeform does not like qr code
decimation: ah I agree
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decimation: but I would also like to pack enough bits on an 8.5x11 sheet of paper to convey a 4096 bit rsa privkey
Chillum: braille?
decimation: well, there is some precedent for embedded devices reading optical codes - the checkout counter
decimation remembers 'light wand' attached to a serial terminal he once used as a clerk
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danielpbarron: I have no doubt that these same people, had you enthusiastically said to them, "Your 64MB flash drive will hold a 64GB in a few years and cost less!" would have scoffed at the idea. The same thing is happening with Bitcoin. Men who know nothing about software are scoffing at the idea that Bitcoin can change and improve. Its an a-historical perspective, to use parliamentary language. On IRC, they simply say, "DERP!".
danielpbarron: ^ from the guy who came into b-a to register in the gribble WoT post-fork
Chillum: I would have believed it
Chillum: I am still waiting for my hovercar
danielpbarron: It is only now that Edward Snowden has confirmed that GPG is beyone the reach of the NSA, that their ignorant anti GPG nonsense is forever dispelled as garbage.
danielpbarron: They are very short and terse in the text (just as the Bitcoin White Paper is) and you are invited to run the software yourself. The install process is simple, and then the software either does what it developers claim it does, or it does not. Its all simple and straightforward.
danielpbarron: what world is this guy observing?
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