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thestringpuller: danielpbarron: 17.9k but I didn't pay for them
danielpbarron: from what? 20k?
thestringpuller: something like that. got them in 2013 when I recovered a Eulora post I had cached
thestringpuller: and everyone says mircea_popescu is a big meanie head
danielpbarron: is it like.. bad to admit actually paying for them or something?
thestringpuller: i bought my first 5k or so
thestringpuller: but now I have more than I'll ever need.
danielpbarron: i actually paid for someone else's credits one time -- a total stranger. the guy at the local juice bar who expressed interest in bitcoin and started talking about mining dogecoin
danielpbarron: i was like.. "nonono go here instead, i'll pay for it"
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: how nice of you! hopefully n00b isn't buying Scrypt ASIC tho
thestringpuller: kid at my last job was into Dogecoin for the lulz but the second he purchased a scrypt ASIC I was like "well...uh, this is a lost cause..."
Bagels7: Hi, I am good at math. Any free career advice to spare?
BingoBoingo: !up Bagels7
thestringpuller: Bagels7: that's mike_c 's domain
BingoBoingo: Bagels7: Well, amphetamine habit helped rocketship Erdos's career
BingoBoingo: !Up tank100
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: hugs not drugs
Bagels7: well i was planning on buying bitcoins but instead ended up homeless and smoked crack, jee i hope thats not too personal
BingoBoingo: Plenty of people have made that mistake
Bagels7: i have a client who says working for ubisoft is boring but it pays well
thestringpuller: At least free health insurance in Canada
Bagels7: is that for people with real jobs, I need a crown and root canals which will be over 2000 dollars (1500 USD) but im in the xenophobic quebec part. This province is some sort of dictatorship board that drains the country
BingoBoingo: Bagels7: Extractions and dentures would be cheaper
Bagels7: im 26! I cant have dentures!
BingoBoingo: Bagels7: Most of my Brother's "clients" he fits for dentures are around 35
cazalla: Bagels7, how do you afford the drugs but not dental work?
cazalla: BingoBoingo, you and pulling teeth, i swear!
Bagels7: well i havent done crack in 19 months, at the time i got lucky with calls i guess and it's not like i had the cash all at once
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Went out to dinner with the brother tonight, and he was talking shop.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47456 @ 0.00032419 = 15.3848 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100176 @ 0.00032641 = 32.6984 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 135150 @ 0.00032262 = 43.6021 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45900 @ 0.00032909 = 15.1052 BTC [+] {2}
mats: TIL ollydbg has code execution bugs
mats: also TIL how to debug a debugger ...
mats smacks head
ben_vulpes: softwaaaaaaare
ben_vulpes: von neumann did nothing wrong
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 347672 | Current Difficulty: 4.74275549506483E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 348767 | Next Difficulty In: 1095 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 7 hours, 5 minutes, and 27 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 46835794093.4 | Estimated Percent Change: -1.24772
assbot: Erik Naggum — A Long, Painful History of Time ... ( http://bit.ly/1ChWTrJ )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78683 @ 0.0003258 = 25.6349 BTC [-]
assbot: trollaxor.com: Linux vs. OpenBSD ... ( http://bit.ly/1ChZ5iN )
BingoBoingo: !up HostFat
BingoBoingo: Hello HostFat
BingoBoingo: What is up?
HostFat: I'm sick :)
HostFat: I hope to be better on monday
BingoBoingo: Everyone is sick. There's just an incredible variety of sick people experience.
assbot: trollaxor.com: The Open Source Mullet ... ( http://bit.ly/18NzDFC )
assbot: trollaxor.com: Bloggix: A Unix for Web Logs ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ci0nug )
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-03-2015#1053227 << some weird shit. irc is a degree of magnitude more efficient than email. which certainly beats phones/skype/mumble/we
assbot: Logged on 15-03-2015 03:16:26; danielpbarron: "I would do but I don't really have time for IRC tbh. . and as a communication vehicle find it too inefficient."
assbot: Logged on 15-03-2015 03:58:03; Bagels7: yeah I figure I'll be totally brainwashed by the time i have 9k credits left, it already triggers me in a state of mind where I think I deserve to be abused and started to have relationship issues
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101252 @ 0.00032801 = 33.2117 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Logged on 15-03-2015 04:00:47; thestringpuller: something like that. got them in 2013 when I recovered a Eulora post I had cached
assbot: Logged on 15-03-2015 04:07:15; Bagels7: Hi, I am good at math. Any free career advice to spare?
mircea_popescu: (We can only be glad there is no daylight loan time, or we would face decades of too much daylight, only to be faced with a few years of total darkness to make up for it.)
cazalla: gee i hate dobermans
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell danielpbarron http://www.theos.com/deraadt/coremail.html << I have a feeling you would love this reading material
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: trollaxor.com: OPENBSD FACT CHECK: USE OR NOT USE TEST ... ( http://bit.ly/18NDJxx )
mircea_popescu: this guy's not bad at his trollboxing.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, the neighbour of cousins i use to play with often as a kid owned 2 of them.. inevitably when playing cricket, a ball would go over the fence and we'd have a discussion of who was going over the fence to get it
mircea_popescu: hehe myeah.
mircea_popescu: still, good role model for women.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00032193 = 2.8008 BTC [-] {2}
[]bot: Bet created: "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) to drop under $35 before June " http://bitbet.us/bet/1129/
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's a good example of practicing the long troll
mircea_popescu: yup. at apple fanboism since what, 2001 ?
assbot: trollaxor.com: Bloggix: A Unix for Web Logs ... ( http://bit.ly/18NEw1l )
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: OSX fanboism since the birth of OSuX
assbot: Appeals court upholds Grant Hayes murder conviction | News & Observer News & Observer ... ( http://bit.ly/18NEDdw )
mircea_popescu: i suppose different grant hayes ?
BingoBoingo: The trollaxorguy seems to ape what everyone suspects to be Mr. E. S. Raymond's id almost perfectly
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell danielpbarron Remember if you read that archive that Until Theo forked OpenBSD into being that public CVS read access wasn't a thing anywhere yet. 1994 was a helluva year
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: this is true
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Loves Apple. Only cares about source being available. Hates Linux in practice. Been keeping up the blog forever and posting rather infrequently. Almost has to be ESR.
mircea_popescu: in fairness, i suppose the burning hatred of usg and its many agencies (such as apple) that informs us is really a very novel thing.
[]bot: Bet placed: 1.05566955 BTC for Yes on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) to drop under $35 before June " http://bitbet.us/bet/1129/ Odds: 97(Y):3(N) by coin, 97(Y):3(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.15566955 BTC. Current weight: 99,991.
mircea_popescu: heck, it couldn't even have been meaningfully articulated pre bitcoin anyway
mircea_popescu: and i doubt it existed to any degree before maybe 2003 or so.
mircea_popescu: people who formed their ideas about the world prior - be it jws or esr or anyone else, would show remarkable blindness to the relevant issues, which are exactly above.
BingoBoingo: I had a dislike of intel since reading about the pentium III serial number in a magazine well before I had any computer.
ben_vulpes: kids on the internet pre 2001 are the only useful ones, provided they didn't form opinions until 2003?
mircea_popescu: but of intel for intel's own sake, as an independent thing. not of intel for usg-intel, something intel itself could never, ever fix.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes nuts huh ?
funkenstein_: is that true? i thought maybe it was just me being clueless before then
mircea_popescu: but it's not at all what i meant. i just meant, it's to be expected, and as far as possible excused, that people old enough wouldn't immediately see where the fox is at.
mircea_popescu: !up odyjm
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ hm ?
ben_vulpes: i began to seriously form opinions in 2004 iirc
ben_vulpes: granted, retarded opionions unhoned by anything.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo in retrospect i suppose that's not so easily distinguished. it was just about at that time trhat i moved to amd, and never bought intel again. the number thing played a part.
BingoBoingo: For the record this is the meat of the last message on a mailing list to theo before other people started resigning around him with nowhere to go: What i am concerned about: (1) if you're going to be working on a large portion ofthe source tree, e.g. the sparc port or large amounts of code outside of it, you need to be in "reasonable touch" with us. Do you think that will be difficult for you or us to do? (2) I want to be _sure_
BingoBoingo: that you in no way annoy, ruffle, tweak, perturb, piss off, piss on, bugger, etc., any users, developers, or potential developers of NetBSD, unless they specifically ask you to. That's what got us to this point to begin with, really. Do you think you can manage _that_? I.e. are you willing to "just say no" to flaming people, however idiotic they may be?
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ pls to not privately ty.
funkenstein_: 02:24:04 mircea_popescu: speaking of which, yo funkenstein_ how much woodcoins does a btc buy me ? <-- a couple percent of them all
mircea_popescu: how many are there ?
funkenstein_: about 6 million
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you sent that ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: At the time I just had a gut discomfort with the idea of computing machines being distinuishable in that way. Felt processors of type and rating should be fungible.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: No, from http://www.theos.com/deraadt/coremail.html reading history.
funkenstein_: that doesn't sound the the Theo reputation
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ and what's the cap again ? or was there a cap ?
mircea_popescu positively loves how much reading teh b-a cultists are doing.
funkenstein_: cap is 28 million but it will take a very long time to get there ;)
mircea_popescu: so a bitcoin buys me you say 100k or so out of the 28mn total, 6mn current ?
BingoBoingo: funkenstein_: This was from back when Theo was a serf attached to a project some derps forked off of 4.4BSD lite, and the only alternative was the still less functional FreeBSD fork.
funkenstein_: yes, but unlikely we will ever see even 14m
funkenstein_: boingo, pre openbsd then?
mircea_popescu: "Finally, it is clear that for the project to be a success, we must promote a positive environment for both users and developers. If we continue to allow you, an official representative of the NetBSD project, to behave in this manner, we create the perception that we approve of your behaviour. That perception is damaging to the project and cannot be allowed to persist."
mircea_popescu: basically, de radt got rhodesia'd out of bsd. this is coherent with the summary i recall.
BingoBoingo: funkenstein_: Yes, still by a few years
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ you fluent in chinese ?
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1/0.00000311
gribble: 321543.40836
funkenstein_: hardly. I spent some time there though, can get around.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yes but it is nice to read the emails and have names Hero Adam Glass quit NetBSD because he couldn't take Theo being shitgnomed in the name of politeness. Chris G Demetriou was the avatar of politeness who contacted theo on the importance of avoiding STFU in the name of adoption
funkenstein_: empirically the worlds easiest language
mircea_popescu: nubbins` swears the same re korean.
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ so how do you feel about being my log broker ?
funkenstein_: i'd be interested to hear that argument. my evidence is simply the number of people who have learned it.
funkenstein_: wood be honored :)
BingoBoingo: 1990's NetBSD seems almost the canonical example of a poor heirarchy hindering an Open Source effort
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ kay, so : post a btc address, i'll send you a btc, buy logs at 333 per. should get you 300k or so. you can hold on to them for me.
mircea_popescu: "We regret having to do this, because you have done a significant amount of very good work for the project. In spite of that, we can no longer condone your behaviour."
mircea_popescu: dude... this shit. i simply fail to comprehend how this works.
mircea_popescu: so... you own a team, which you paid for, but we will revoke the title because you said nigger.
mircea_popescu: welll wtf ?!
mircea_popescu: why would anyone a) wish to do any work for these folks or b) hold title issued by them in any regard ? it's nil.
BingoBoingo: And yet Open Source is the most political thing this millenium: That's good. Frankly, neither do we, nor have we ever. Politics is a waste of time, for the most part.
mircea_popescu: "politics is a waste of time" is the sister idiocy to "i don't feel math is useful for real life".
mircea_popescu: same dumb, in different css.
assbot: Pack of hounds attack Chinese man's car after he kicks sleeping dog - Asia - World - The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/18NHSS0 )
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> "politics is a waste of time" is the sister idiocy to "i don't feel math is useful for real life". << Seriously, shares most of the same stakes as war, but minus bloodshed
mircea_popescu: chetty haha dogs republic!
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> dude... this shit. i simply fail to comprehend how this works. << At the time there were two BSD source branches of note. Derp(free)BSD swiftly went off the rails. Herp(Net)BSD aknowledged the non-i386 world. Either way to even read the "Open" source you needed an in. Theo's WoT allowed him to read Herp.
BingoBoingo: Instead of Derp
BingoBoingo: Historical accident
cazalla: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo in retrospect i suppose that's not so easily distinguished. it was just about at that time trhat i moved to amd <<< and so i ask that whatever problems there are with intel, why is AMD not affected?
mircea_popescu: my boggle was related to the "you have done work, but we don't like your style of clothing, you're fired".
mircea_popescu: cazalla this was 1998ish mind.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> my boggle was related to the "you have done work, but we don't like your style of clothing, you're fired". << AH
mircea_popescu: i am not proposing it as normative, we were just sharing tales from youth.
BingoBoingo: cazalla> <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo in retrospect i suppose that's not so easily distinguished. it was just about at that time trhat i moved to amd <<< and so i ask that whatever problems there are with intel, why is AMD not affected? << My Beef was Intel imagineered this shit first
cazalla: are you it's not just because athlon's were the cool thing to have back then? :P
mircea_popescu: the man said " the number thing played a part."
BingoBoingo: cazalla: This was still If I recall correctly some time before I bought a wagon full of B&W Macs at $10 a pop
BingoBoingo: <cazalla> are you it's not just because athlon's were the cool thing to have back then? :P << I didn't know AMD existed until later... I am rather but not entirely sure I recall correctly
funkenstein_: hmm whats the proper way to register an address with assbot wot
mircea_popescu: what address ?
mircea_popescu: you could make a deed for deedbot- if you wish to record a signed message ?
BingoBoingo: <funkenstein_> hmm whats the proper way to register an address with assbot wot << Prolly whatever the latest incarnation of the Deedbot idea is.
funkenstein_: this one 1CnRcXsJ9dci1Z8yzo1PvVaoGeYef7Zcti
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the NetBSD team sounds like a bunch of fucktards i would never wish to have anything to do with.
funkenstein_: ok i want to learn about deedbot I will check that out
mircea_popescu: i wonder how personally particular this impression is.
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ search logs for it, full examples of use etc, in there. also http://trilema.com/open-deed-system-for-bitcoin-assets-updated
assbot: Page not found pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Le7mKq )
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's something I've come to recently. Surprised it isn't the offical Social Justice OS. When I first played with Open Source at a summer job in 2004 I grew an immediate dislike because it didn't work as expected on maximally vanilla hardware at the summer job.
mircea_popescu: i don't think i've ever seen it run, personally.
BingoBoingo: I've got it to run a couple times. Once on ancient hardware.
assbot: Operating system market share ... ( http://bit.ly/1Le7XM6 )
mircea_popescu: windows xp at 20%, that's a kicker.
mircea_popescu: more windows3.1 running browsers than all bds's combined.
BingoBoingo: I'm honestly surprised with the Azure and cloud thing MicroShaft hasn't forked a BSD to revive the Xenix brand
mircea_popescu: but anyway, fwiw fbsd/obsd/nbsd seem to enjoy this 4:2:1 quadratic.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no strategist at the top. they got mostly marketing people these days.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> but anyway, fwiw fbsd/obsd/nbsd seem to enjoy this 4:2:1 quadratic. << positions in the quadratic shift rather swiftly.
BingoBoingo: When they shift at all.
mircea_popescu: mostly a function of the methodology, considering how tiny the sample is.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo no strategist at the top. they got mostly marketing people these days. << Don't forget the Inertia people behind "Office"
BingoBoingo: When it comes to adopting pieces of various BSD's though enumeration gets really messy. OSuX brings in a lot of FreeBSD stuff. Google Android uses OpenBSD's libc with a special compile flag google requested.
BingoBoingo: The devil only knows which BSD Cisco corrupted into IOS or that MS uses as the Windows network stack anymore
mircea_popescu: anyway this email pile is unreadable. passive-agressive thirteen year olds captive in the decaying bodies of thirtysomethings going at it.
mircea_popescu: i have it on good authority window uses an old copy of gregorian chants for its networking stack now.
BingoBoingo: Past a point inflection any email pile with a dispute becomes unreadable
mircea_popescu: not mine. theirs. there's a type of esl castrato that exhibits this strange insanity of behaviour, that a problem is either solved within the first three passes or never.
mircea_popescu: it's so weird that the "halting condition" of the "machine" so to speak is found, not in the data, not in the code, but in the... cell count.
mircea_popescu: verybad.jpg
cazalla: so bitcoin pete quotes rassah and i was going to use it for an article, but the quote is nowhere to be found in the logs
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> it's so weird that the "halting condition" of the "machine" so to speak is found, not in the data, not in the code, but in the... cell count. << Yeah. Only time I've encountered this in my limited forays outside english is in Mao's essays corraled under the Title "Guerilla Warfare"
cazalla: ah bitcoin pete edited the text to fix spelling errors so nothing untoward afterall.. when you read this, sorry pete_dushenski
funkenstein_: mircea_popescu http://pastebin.com/6CVzTvh0
assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 As of AD 347694 I am funkenst - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/18NN0Wj )
BingoBoingo: funkenstein_: Edit your GPG conf file to switch from SHA1 to a better message digest
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89375 @ 0.00033007 = 29.5 BTC [+] {2}
funkenstein_: Boingo, thanks
mircea_popescu: yeah he has a point.
mircea_popescu: not an emergency but good policy.
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ 513907ffabf37400c98cef54214760aad78b8c4c6326637327963bb15541a9e3
BingoBoingo: Best to fix before you've signed too many things
mircea_popescu: lemme know how that goes.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you know what just occured to me ? it's damned incredible just how *captivating* b-a has become, coupla years later.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Seriously. It is a publicly readable resource of unparalleled quality which only became possible because Bitcoin
cazalla: there's not enough people here though, we need mass adoption!
funkenstein_: received, where would you like your logs sir :)
mircea_popescu: but not only that. guy wanders in, right ? next it's, show us your tits, write for qntra, fix your gpg, install derpsd on your router and by the way, here's somethign to do with the wife anbd her girlfriend : http://40.media.tumblr.com/f0adef7a73bdeabaad1a54cc4b3020af/tumblr_n18vegUWed1trdyvco1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: a rabit hole the likes of this has not yet existed i dun think.
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ you hold on to them.
mircea_popescu: kinda what being a broker entails.
Adlai: funkenstein_: if he'd asked you to transfer them on his behalf, you would subsequently have to comply with MSB regulations
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> but not only that. guy wanders in, right ? next it's, show us your tits, write for qntra, fix your gpg, install derpsd on your router and by the way, here's somethign to do with the wife anbd her girlfriend : http://40.media.tumblr.com/f0adef7a73bdeabaad1a54cc4b3020af/tumblr_n18vegUWed1trdyvco1_1280.jpg << Why collar chains and not chains on the lissing buttplugs
mircea_popescu: Adlai he would ?
Adlai does naught but jest
funkenstein_: lol
mircea_popescu: check it out, logs are currency too nao!
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i dunno man. guy's own preference ?
kakobrekla: print more logs!
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla clearly the value of the logs can only go up up up.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla want some ?
kakobrekla: am i not stacked up*
Adlai gets his greenpeace guy on the line... save the rainforest! arrest the evil loggers!
mircea_popescu: lol. yeah, you got a great rack matic!
funkenstein_: b-a logs need monetizing too?
BingoBoingo: Propaganda fanfic finally ended hpmor.com/chapter/122 with a Sparkling Unicorn princess who never needs to paint her nails
Adlai: a log server could trade logs for logs
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ it's an irresistible joke in there.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38094 @ 0.0003303 = 12.5824 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: oh, log of logs, that has such kindling in it!
Adlai: it's all fun and games until somebody mentions faggots
mircea_popescu: ho, nommo.
funkenstein_: :o
Adlai: !b 8
assbot: Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/39WTHAJ.txt )
mircea_popescu: "if she weighs the same as her tits she's made of logs, and therefore.... A WITCH!"
mircea_popescu: i wonder if all of this will be as hysterically funny in the sober light of day.
mircea_popescu: let's find out.
funkenstein_ opens the shades
funkenstein_: frauduct <-- lol
BingoBoingo: !s gavin
assbot: 546 results for 'gavin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gavin
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell gavinandresen Behold history or repeat in doom http://www.theos.com/deraadt/coremail.html
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: !up p15
BingoBoingo: "ndeed, not long after the project started, complaints started rolling in about Theo. The final straw was that he told a developer (who was working on the pmax port) to stop "shoving [his; the developer's] cock down [his; theo's] throat."
cazalla: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=576_1426401541 australian ver of american welfare queens
assbot: LiveLeak.com - Welfare Lady Where i Live ... ( http://bit.ly/1GRQdmy )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106800 @ 0.00032959 = 35.2002 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up Aquent
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19850 @ 0.00033511 = 6.6519 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60787 @ 0.00032903 = 20.0007 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56590 @ 0.00032691 = 18.4998 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96850 @ 0.00032687 = 31.6574 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50122 @ 0.00032583 = 16.3313 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68950 @ 0.00032556 = 22.4474 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44078 @ 0.00032381 = 14.2729 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115400 @ 0.00032984 = 38.0635 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76262 @ 0.00032844 = 25.0475 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20989 @ 0.0003331 = 6.9914 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46100 @ 0.00033395 = 15.3951 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40191 @ 0.00033534 = 13.4776 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67300 @ 0.00033596 = 22.6101 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Logged on 22-03-2014 18:01:39; decimation: Even in electrical and electronic engineering?an occupation that is right at the heart of high-tech innovation but that also has been heavily outsourced abroad?U.S. employment in 2013 declined to about 300,000, down 35,000 and over 10 percent, from 2012, and down from about 385,000 in 2002. Unemployment rates for electrical engineers rose to a surprisingly high 4.8 percent in 2013.
assbot: Electrical engineering employment declines nearly 10%, but developers up 12% | Computerworld ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lfnuva )
decimation: " The number of people working as electrical engineers declined by 29,000 last year, continuing a long-standing trend, according to government data. "
decimation: it's highly amusing that everyone wants to write software, but nobody wants to work on electronics
decimation: " There were 1.235 million people working as software developers last year, and 271,000 electrical engineers, according to unpublished U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics data. "
decimation: I would venture to guess that 90% of those remaining 271,000 work directly or indirectly for usg
decimation: !up ohhahh
funkenstein_: well if you got some usd in your pocket... i guess you could say you work for the usg
decimation: funkenstein_: yeah that's approximately true
decimation: but I was insinuating that these EE's work either has official usg employees or sell products or labor directly to usg
funkenstein_: paid to do very, or very little of general use
funkenstein_: actually 1:4 ratio is less top heavy than I would have thought.
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mircea_popescu: this is like the 3rd time i sent !up to assboy in pm.
mircea_popescu: am i gay ?
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assbot: Logged on 15-03-2015 16:54:59; decimation: " There were 1.235 million people working as software developers last year, and 271,000 electrical engineers, according to unpublished U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics data. "
mircea_popescu: or moreover : hardware has lengthy history, hard to undo by a bunch of libertards. the person doing hardware css is known as "the cleaning lady" and doesn't get much pay.
mircea_popescu: in software tho, easy to pretend.
mircea_popescu: while i expect your 90% figure of ee's working for govt is only met if you actually count every us public company as an agency of the usg (a position not exactly undefensible, people still do the same to stuff like gazprom etc, notwithstanding the ru oligarchs actually have a lot more independence than the us "ceo"s of public corps),
mircea_popescu: i am absolutely convinced that 99% of the soi dissant software engineers are in fact "web experts" of the "i dont no biari (i know a littel java.)" ilk
thestringpuller: re 99%, this is actually true tho
thestringpuller: in fact take a look at most "Enterprise Web Frameworks"
thestringpuller: Java or Microsoft IIS stacks.
thestringpuller: and wtf is Hardware CSS?!?!?
thestringpuller: CSS is like a virus now.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller dude going through that reddit thing you posted.
mircea_popescu: pretty much every single thing they say is wrong. how the fuck did conde nast manage to collect every idiot in america on the same site ?!
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller hardware css is usually done with a broom, or a mop.
mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/0AR7P6N << 66.90.121.133 can't decide if it's running googlebot off an iphone or it's really bingbot.
assbot: dpaste: 0AR7P6N ... ( http://bit.ly/1AIe4gB )
decimation: in related news, apparently apple is going to fully drop qualcomm for intel http://www.itworld.com/article/2896796/intel-will-reportedly-land-apple-as-a-modem-chip-customer.html
assbot: Intel will reportedly land Apple as a modem chip customer | ITworld ... ( http://bit.ly/1AIgiwv )
decimation: which was reported only days after qualcom decided to buy back $15 bn shares http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/09/qualcomm-buyback-idUSL4N0WB52W20150309
assbot: Qualcomm to buy back up to $15 bln of shares, raise dividend| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1AIgpbm )
decimation: qualcomm is a chumpatron fueled fully by indian 'engineers' on h1b visas, who are tricked into coming to live in san deigo with the hopes of being somebody
mircea_popescu: modem chips tho.
decimation: right, that's qualcomm's bread and butter
mircea_popescu: but not a major thing for apple
decimation: no, not for apple, but it is for qualcomm
mircea_popescu: myeah. well... that and eudora lol
decimation: did they buy eudora?
mircea_popescu: of course... they sold ~3bn of chips last year. it may be that on the contrary, they told apple to pack it.
decimation: possibly, and it's also probably the case that intel gave them a sweet deal
decimation: (intel being another famous such chumpatron)
mircea_popescu: here's something i don't understad. so, qualcomm side : in q4 2014 it announced a 2.4 bn deal with csr plc, to deliver chips. then in q1 2015 it announced massive share buyback. from apple side : they moved the modem chip order from qualcomm to intel. from csr site : 50mn operating profit on 1bn gross revenue.
mircea_popescu: how the shit is this supposed to work ?!
decimation: mircea_popescu: almost like there's an unseen third party operating in the background...
mircea_popescu: but my point being : on the basis of an order from someone whose yearly gross revenue is 40% of the value of the order
mircea_popescu: you proceed to buyback shares and ditch apple ?
mircea_popescu: does anyone even do accounting anymore ?
decimation: my information about qualcomm is that it is a pyramid: the white managers are all family/friends of the original founding class, and all the actual engineering staff are indians and chinese on indentured servitude visas
mircea_popescu: well sure.
decimation: I suspect that the managers are desperately trying to pretend that they know how to run a business
mircea_popescu: 7 "supervisors" to the injun.
decimation: qualcomm is also fairly famous for hustling usg into favoring their CDMA chips over the european gsm alternative
decimation: apparently the hustle isn't working very well
mircea_popescu: i don't think the usians were going to use the same chips as europe no.matter.what.
mircea_popescu: and besides, admit that europe invented the most important thing of the 80s ?! NOWAI
decimation: probably not, but the mechanism used was an obscure battle over 'standards'
mircea_popescu: right right.
assbot: Qualcomm CEO says still in the dark on China antitrust probe| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1BINp82 )
decimation: basically their whole 'let's revolutionize the market with a standard' kinda worked for a few years, but gave enough time for everyone else to figure how how to kneecap qualcomm
mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/8c74e477d46abe27d83d2f63cf226702/tumblr_mg3dd7r6Xo1qlgsbyo1_1280.jpg << so fucking unfortunate that crepax died. i'd have absolutely loved a valentina-ish character for eulora. anyone know anyone who works in the style ?
decimation: meanwhile they sat fat dumb and happy on their pile of cash and their wage-slaves
mircea_popescu: decimation mebbe so. why would a us company care about china "antitrust probe" ? they can probe themselves up the ass.
decimation: decimation: qualcomm recommendation: sell :)
decimation: heh well, they care if they don't own their own fab and depend on chinese/taiwan to make their chips
decimation: kinda like how the arabs realized they could ask for 50% of the oil revenue instead of a few pennies
mircea_popescu: so badly managed, teh usg.
decimation: they are good at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory
mircea_popescu: all this idiocy with "reindustrialize on shale oil" bs, when the correct avenue is directly obvious. ban chinese made electronics. problem solved.
mircea_popescu: ~all problems solved~ moreover.
decimation: that's actually a really good idea
mircea_popescu: the turmoil this will induce in china takes it off the map. their military is very powerful in a defensive stance today. it will be offense capable in 2-3 decades, but it's not there yet.
mircea_popescu: so, that'd be the end of that. new leap forward, etc.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, the us suddenly has an economic basis. all those fabs need to be built right ?
decimation: exactly
mircea_popescu: 1trn of expenditure in one quarter, no need to "stimulate" anythin
mircea_popescu: but hey. "thank you for your leadership & we recognize each other for another 59 wasted minutes"
decimation: and the knowledge that is/has been lost by engineers on how to manufacture stuff would be recovered
mircea_popescu: yeah, today it is still recoverable
mircea_popescu: in 2035... not.
mircea_popescu: that'd be my presidential platform. 1 thing : electronic products are a point of strategic interest, may not be imported. cya 8 years later.
ben_vulpes: i suppose that argetine protectionism isn't working because "argentines are a buncha retards".
mircea_popescu: it's a do or die sort of measure. either the country picks up, a la china, or else it goes to shit.
mircea_popescu: when it's going to shit anyway...
ben_vulpes: the position strikes me as simply trading government intervention in free markets in one form for another form.
mircea_popescu: the importance of electing presidents that don't actually love the country. not in a motherly way, at any rate.
ben_vulpes: blech, mothers
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes not like i'm running, you know ? but if i were, this'd be the play. not arguing the structure's not stupid.
ben_vulpes: i mean, i love 'em, don't get me wrong.
ben_vulpes: but they're not generally on my board 'cause they're mothers, you know? if they are on my board they're incidentally mothers.
mircea_popescu: more along the lines of, "if you had to do surgery in the forest, how'd you go about it"
ben_vulpes: i see it.
mircea_popescu: "motherly" in the sense of, prioritizing survival over performance.
mircea_popescu: the opposite is quite fatherly.
ben_vulpes: i rather like that dichotomy.
mircea_popescu: obviously it should alternate, however... us has been stuck on motherly for too long.
funkenstein_: in a two fathers kind of way
ben_vulpes: 'tis the communist m.o.
funkenstein_: happy mothers day y'all
mircea_popescu: what, still ?!
mircea_popescu: i thought it was a week ago
ben_vulpes: it's may 10 you assholes
mircea_popescu: fuck you i've been studiously ignoring the whole mother thing in favour of may 1st "young eager sluts" day forever.
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mircea_popescu: olr was that june 1st
funkenstein_: lets compromise with milf day
chetty: careful "young eager sluts" have a way of turning into mothers
mircea_popescu: i've heard such tale!
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ben_vulpes: 'tis a happy ending.
decimation: re: manufacturing < http://atomicdelights.com/blog/a-glimpse-at-how-the-apple-watch-is-made < an interesting (apple fanboi) take on how apple actually manufactures the watches
assbot: How Apple Makes the Watch — Atomic Delights ... ( http://bit.ly/1baMB29 )
decimation: it's an interesting metalworking 101
mircea_popescu: "Apple is the world's foremost manufacturer of goods. "
mircea_popescu: lost me at 1st sentence.
decimation: heh, well measured in bezzlars they kinda are
decimation: it just turns out that making shiny baubles is way more profitable than making jet engines
mircea_popescu: except they don't MANUFACTURE anything.
mircea_popescu: "apple's the world's largest buyer of some classes of items. while not the largest in any class of any import, and not the largest buyer in any sort of general perspective, one could select some items by a criteria more or less alligned with "items apple buys" to make apple apear like the largest buyer of items apple buys"
mircea_popescu: "it subsequently sells these"
funkenstein_: stallman always did call apple products handcuffs didn't he
decimation: mircea_popescu: except they don't MANUFACTURE anything. < it would be interesting to know how much of the manufacturing expertise lies in apple proper vs. its chinese contractors
decimation: or german cnc millhouses
mircea_popescu: in the same vein, it would be interesting to know how much of computing expertise lies in ibm as opposed to its gates contractors.
decimation: heh good point.
mircea_popescu: i note they didn't drop foxconn just yet.
decimation: yes apparently foxconn is doing quite well for apple, apparently there's no need for a 'competing vendor'
mircea_popescu: in spite of what was it, elsa the she-fox going around endless rows of nude chinese pubescent girls with a whip and two cobras.
mircea_popescu: so i would humbly suggest that the naked emperor lives in a cage.
mircea_popescu: !up mollison
mircea_popescu: anyway, im starting to get some appreciation of the chinese scam by now.
mircea_popescu: the way foxconn is using apple as a detachable glove / investment point is exactly copied after the manner some chinese guys used "friedcat" / asicminer.
mircea_popescu: basically, poor but smart chinese boy has figured out that if he uses dumb but prideful white boy as his own hand puppet, he can let HIM get all the "certifications" which are worthless anyway, then let HIM underwrite all the credit, which is what the investors want to do anyway,
mircea_popescu: and then just walk.
decimation: surely apple has seen this sort of thing coming
mircea_popescu: people readily forget that the asicminer on mpex deal fell through once asicminer wouldn't sign properly. which was clear enoug writting in the wall in 2012 for mpex investors never went into it. and so...
mircea_popescu: but anyway.
decimation: I didn't realize that asicminer had courted mpex
mircea_popescu: how about gigavps, for his bfl-will-deliver based items ?
decimation: the asicminer guys delievered to some degree. why weren't they willing to actually have a real company with a real existence, rather than some guy on a forum thread?
mircea_popescu: they weren't willing to sign.
mircea_popescu: and for that matter, apple also delivered to some degree. that's not the contention.
mircea_popescu: the fall guy, whether a natural or juridical person, is not "that which doesn't deliver at all".
decimation: 'pride goeth before destruction'
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scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/old-story/
assbot: The Heel of Empire ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fm4rds )
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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ahjaha oglaf is becoming exquisitely better with time
decimation: "gigavps i am highly confident in their ability to deliver" "gigavps per contracts i am having them sign" lolz
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thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: they aren't owned by conde nast anymore. but you make a great point tho.
mircea_popescu: they aren't ?
BingoBoingo: I think Conde at least still owns reddit in part. THing's a mess.
mircea_popescu: well obviously the redditard notes holders own 99%
thestringpuller: i thought the reddittard notes project got cancelled by canning ryan x. javascript d00d
assbot: where_what_now comments on Time to lobby Bitcoin's core devs: "SF Bitcoin Devs Seminar -- Scalability to billions of transactions per day, satoshi-level Micropayments, near-zero risk of custodial theft, & Instant transactions"... but only w/ a malleability-fixing soft fork. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DpDXsz )
thestringpuller: so people want to replace poop with smellier poop?
ben_vulpes: more implementations is a totally fine and good thing.
mircea_popescu: !up AdrianoOliveira
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller well i dunno, 've not been following so close.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the only problem is the notion that power rangers = "core", somehow.
mircea_popescu: other than that, they probably should move to c# or w/e.
mircea_popescu: ruby on trails.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: yes a web framework
ben_vulpes: grand notion
ben_vulpes: rubby on my happy trail
mircea_popescu: what could be better.
mircea_popescu: plus it has native db support
mircea_popescu: or somesuch
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: you're aware that this is actually a thing already, right?
mircea_popescu: no, i wasn't.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell asciilifeform http://ab-initio.mit.edu/wiki/index.php/Meep << any good?
assbot: Meep - AbInitio ... ( http://bit.ly/18Q5ipR )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: toshi/block.rb at master · coinbase/toshi · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/18Q5iX1 )
ben_vulpes: my favorte part of rails projects is how they infrequently enforce things like foreign key constraints.
ben_vulpes: "but you know you might want to move to a db that can't enforce constraints on itself like mongo, and then where would you be?"
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ben_vulpes: well, up shit creek, but already and for other reasons.
ben_vulpes: it's probably no worse than the satoshi codebase.
ben_vulpes: (except for the part where its schema is defined by the ruby orm)
mircea_popescu: not clear that satoshi even has a defined schema
assbot: Toshi Stops Gets stuck on initial Sync · Issue #152 · coinbase/toshi · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/18Q6f1E )
ben_vulpes: it has c structs that get derped into whatever c db a given version is using
assbot: Toshi stops syncing at 15 GB · Issue #121 · coinbase/toshi · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/18Q6sle )
ben_vulpes: that's enough for me
mircea_popescu: cazalla https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net < any idea what the peak yest was ?
assbot: Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast ... ( http://bit.ly/1v2UsSv )
cazalla: mircea_popescu, good chunk would've been from reddit
mircea_popescu: o the usms thing
cazalla: yeah, but considering that it was floating around the #3 - #5 spot on /r/bitcoin, it's quite poor
mircea_popescu: bout what reddit's worth i thought.
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thestringpuller: not a lot of news these days :(
cazalla: the past week has been quiet which is why so many of the other sites turn to altcoins stories to use as filler content
thestringpuller: qntra don't need no filla
cazalla: once you cut the obvious press releases, vc's funded such and such company and altcoin news, there isn't much to choose from on quiet weeks
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cazalla: if anyone does have suggestions as to what type of content they would like to see on Qntra, i'm all ears
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mircea_popescu: quiet weeks are quiet weeks
thestringpuller: wow mircea_popescu just read Old Story
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nubbins`: !up pete_dushenski
assbot: Emancipation shemancipation, independence shmindependence. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1NYB1WF )
assbot: The world is fundamentally hostile. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1NYB5px )
pete_dushenski: in summa: jamaica sucks and is a bit bitter about it.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-03-2015#1053463 << yes. the logs are muddied by my earlier indiscretions.
assbot: Logged on 15-03-2015 08:54:25; cazalla: ah bitcoin pete edited the text to fix spelling errors so nothing untoward afterall.. when you read this, sorry pete_dushenski
thestringpuller: yay its a pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: howdy howdy
pete_dushenski: on some veeeery slow internet here
pete_dushenski: last night in bobmarleyland :)
assbot: User-Focused Security: End-to-End Encryption... | Yahoo ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bnjk9m )
pete_dushenski: "openpgp-based"
pete_dushenski: because hushmail didn't do that a decade ago or whatever
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski lol
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: pretty much!
thestringpuller: this is a new push for "Encryption as a Service"
thestringpuller: which is fucktarded to say the least
pete_dushenski: hey, if car cleaning is a service...
mircea_popescu: car cleanning doesn't randomly switch your tires out with popsicles.
thestringpuller: ^- omg this
pete_dushenski: or line the doors with drugs and send you to "a friend's house"
thestringpuller: Is this really the only thing coming out of SXSW?!?
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: and some lulzy 'anti-robot' demonstration
thestringpuller: !up pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: fun and productive!
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: you forgot Carrie First Bitcoin Pedicab Driver!
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: mad!
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thestringpuller: she's already made a whole bitcoin in tipping! LOL.
pete_dushenski: not bad, not bad.
cazalla: wow, i want to punch that guy in the face after 5 seconds of that video
pete_dushenski: well, his fragile ego is but an angry tweet away
assbot: Celebrities Read Mean Tweets #8 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FnrkNL )
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cazalla: thestringpuller, i bet the majority of tips came from people who didn't even get a ride.. 1 btc, almost worth the time to contrive a similar video
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