ben_vulpes: i think augur designs exist approximating this.
ben_vulpes: but you'll have to tell me how effective they are, asciilifeform.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform amusingly, i actually had this design made, and tried on live girls.
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mircea_popescu: basically a flatish torus, looks like a cylinder from outside
mircea_popescu: was not. fucking complicated even without involving the cameras.
mircea_popescu: its main advantage tho, is that it reduces any need for friction.
mod6: trinque: awesome thanks!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43134 @ 0.00037724 = 16.2719 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.QNTR] 9132 @ 0.00027068 = 2.4718 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97594 @ 0.00041605 = 40.604 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16250 @ 0.00041174 = 6.6908 BTC [-]
cazalla: mircea_popescu, that is ofn and yahoo paid a pretty penny from memory
assbot: Federal Register | Special Conditions: Boeing Model 777-200, -300, and -300ER Series Airplanes; Aircraft Electronic System Security Protection From Unauthorized Internal Access ... (
http://bit.ly/1GKMNPP )
Vexual: why can't i catch a nuke sub to somewhere?
cazalla: Vexual, we don't have em here do we?
Vexual: nope, we can't even make a canoe
Vexual: we do, but they are very noisy
cazalla: collins class? they are diesel
assbot: FAA Says Commercial Drone Operators Need Exemption. But Doesn't Prosecute Those Flying Without One. - Forbes ... (
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ben_vulpes: Vexual: you're a...nuke canoe! nuke canoe!
Vexual checks an app cannon on the horizon
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: nah, the Chinese have a class system thing going on.
cazalla: gabriel_laddel, 2nd looks a bit haggard
Vexual: cazalla, shes evidently pretty
cazalla: gabriel_laddel, did ya bang her?
cazalla: my missus has a china doll in her mum's group, she is one of the best chinese women i've seen and we have truckloads of em here down under
cazalla: gabriel_laddel, sure, just let me ask the missus for pics of her friend from facebook :P
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: thanks for that adams short.
ben_vulpes: i read it to lady v on our morning stroll for great lulz.
ben_vulpes: cazalla: yeah, just crack open the girl's facebook
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: and if she hadn't it'd have been educational regardless
ben_vulpes: wait hang on there was context for this conversation
cazalla: gabriel_laddel, maybe one day if she moves away or they're no longer friends but would be a bit strange for me to share pics of her on irc
ben_vulpes: cazalla: come now, nobody knows who you are or the girls are
ben_vulpes: i see this sign every morning, yet this morning it brought to mind your...reprinting of the adams short.
Vexual: strawberry dog poo petey
pete_dushenski: the number of spoon-feeding, hand-holding signs present in the western world is atrocious
pete_dushenski: douglas adams is a charming way of overcoming the rage
pete_dushenski: "We are also in the process of forming partnerships with third parties in the industry; George, Jutta and myself managing this process; I’m happy to announce that at least three exchanges will be supporting Ether from day one on their trading platforms (details of which we’ll annouce soon), with more exchanges to follow."
pete_dushenski: "I also finished the first draft of ICAP, the Ethereum Inter-exchange Client Address Protocol, an IBAN-compatible system for referencing and transacting to client accounts aimed to streamline the process of transfering funds, worry-free between exchanges and, ultimately, make KYC and AML pains a thing of the past."
pete_dushenski: "Proof-of-Concept releases VII and VIII were released. NatSpec, “natural language specification format” and the basis of our transaction security was prototyped and integrated. Under Marek’s watch, now helped by Fabian, ethereum.js is truly coming of age with a near source-level compatibility with Solidity on contract interaction and support for the typed ABI with calling and events, the latter providing h
pete_dushenski: Since our blockchain has a number of important differences with the Bitcoin blockchain (mainly in transaction density), stemming from the extremely short 12s block time we’re aiming for, we would have to use not the blockchain data itself like Hashimoto but rather an artifcially created dataset, done with an algorithm known as Dagger (yes, some will remember it as Vitalik’s first and flawed attempt at a memo
pete_dushenski: While this looked like a good direction to be going in, a swift audit of Vitalik and Matt’s initial algorithm by Tim Hughes (ex-Director of Technology at Frontier Developments and expert in low-level CPU and GPU operation and optimisation) showed major flaws. "
pete_dushenski: "When deep in nitty gritty of development you sometimes forget quite how world-altering the technology you’re creating is, which is probably just as well since the gravity of the matter at hand would be continually distracting. "
pete_dushenski: given that mp's short contract date is fast approaching, this seems quite relevant
assbot: A Guide To Buying 5000 Ether/Bitcoin, 2.5x More Than Ethereum's Genesis Sale Offers | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... (
http://bit.ly/1GKT3XF )
ben_vulpes: so they baked "free usg thermorecal exams" into the protocol
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: btw, many SK girls get plastic surgery to look more western. If you ever spend enough time with them you'll start to see the differences between koreans and 'koreans'
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pete_dushenski: "Criminals in the US are using the new Apple Pay mobile payment system to buy high-value goods – often from Apple Stores – with stolen identities and credit card details." << le shock!
pete_dushenski: "The crooks have not broken the secure encryption around Apple Pay’s fingerprint-activated wireless payment mechanism. Instead, they are setting up new iPhones with stolen personal information, and then calling banks to “provision” the victim’s card on the phone to use it to buy goods. "
cazalla: who eats the chargeback? apple?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116348 @ 0.00040555 = 47.1849 BTC [-] {4}
punkman: more likely whoever owns the apple store
pete_dushenski: "Abraham says: “Fraud in Apple Pay… came as a surprise to all” " << mhm. right.
fluffypony: pete_dushenski: analogous to "The fraud came as a surprise. He seemed like such a nice guy. I definitely didn't expect him to scam anyone."
fluffypony: 'as he stabbed me and raped my bloody corpse'
mircea_popescu: * ebit (rose@111.36.195.202) has joined #bitcoin-assets << why nobody ups noobs nomore!
pete_dushenski: "Pete, you should either give your money to a qualified money manager or go back to work." << kids and their ideas about success
mircea_popescu: cazalla / bingoboingo : just in case you were wondering where the ftp server went, turns out cpanel decided to upgrade stuff on the 23rd, failed to get pureftpd upgraded correctly, decided it's no longer needed and nuked it.
pete_dushenski: 'you've been a successful investor for 15 years but that was just luck so you should trust a random hobo now'
chetty: can't be having people do things, must have experts and authorities run our lives you know
pete_dushenski: ya i started trading stocks on my parents' accounts before i was much interested in girls
assbot: How the adage “time is money” and the existence of Google+ prove that Facebook is worth less than dust. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... (
http://bit.ly/1GL3HgY )
pete_dushenski: it's mostly that brandon morin derp again, he of 'nazis aren't socialists' fame
pete_dushenski: well, as much 'fame' as random, non-WoT commenters on contravex can have
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ben_vulpes: i've read them, found them interesting and full of insight, but submit them for the forum for my own education.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: to the second one, i reply 'bankers aren't the bad guys (tm)'
pete_dushenski cuts himself off from more contravex links. that's enough for one evening.
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 06:56:08; gabriel_laddel: and I know her irl, she is drunk in the 2nd photo
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: bankers being bad guys or not is really not part of the linked piece.
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 06:58:20; cazalla: gabriel_laddel, sure, just let me ask the missus for pics of her friend from facebook :P
ben_vulpes: it's more about returns to "talent" vs return to equity.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: to my eye that article is about why the author doesn't like 'the market'
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 07:05:35; pete_dushenski: "Proof-of-Concept releases VII and VIII were released. NatSpec, “natural language specification format” and the basis of our transaction security was prototyped and integrated. Under Marek’s watch, now helped by Fabian, ethereum.js is truly coming of age with a near source-level compatibility with Solidity on contract interaction and support for the typed ABI with calling and events, the latter
pete_dushenski: when in fact that market is a result of too many and too perverse of regulations, not the result of a lack regulation
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski: given that mp's short contract date is fast approaching, this seems quite relevant << kinda irrelevant, seeing how NOBODY.ACTUALLY.BOUGHT.
mircea_popescu: for all the pretense that there's "investment" in this nonsense.
ben_vulpes: replaced it with dicks in blondes mouth
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: "The money has to go somewhere" << this argument is also be based on 'the problem of too much money'
pete_dushenski: the idea that bankers are inflating dollars of their own volition is a bit off
mircea_popescu: they're going to publish their reports in wrigley next.
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pete_dushenski: "In an interview with Reuters, Obama said he was concerned about Beijing's plans for a far-reaching counterterrorism law that would require technology firms to hand over encryption keys, the passcodes that help protect data, and install security "backdoors" in their systems to give Chinese authorities surveillance access." << 'but it worked for the us (tm)'
mircea_popescu: for the record, being chinese doesn't make them special. they get as much access as obama gets.
Vexual: the lass is verily full
cazalla: mircea_popescu, lol nothing i say here would surprise the missus sharing pics of her friends would be one step too far, even for me
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski the man is complaining about tin women ffs
ben_vulpes: anyways as a point of data, it's year 1.5ish of this insane enterprise, and i'm just now beginning to approach the salary of a "programmer" in my geographic region.
Vexual: im on the same money as one year ago
cazalla: the new australian chinese mums have a good scheme going on.. their mothers come here from china to cook/clean etc for a year so new mum can take it easy, explains why all all the other mums look tired but this china doll looks as good as ever
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: dude on one hand i constantly bemoan this: 'oh if only i were just freelancing i'd be rolling in the dough'
ben_vulpes: and on the other hand, well, nominal equity in a thing?
ben_vulpes: I don’t believe payments to owners in professional services firms are the residual profits. And why should they be, when the employees can leave and set up shop across the street with almost no need for equity capital? In the implicit negotiation over distribution of revenue, the employees have all the bargaining power. The equity will be paid a fair return, but will not receive any structural
ben_vulpes: increases in revenue. On the other hand,
ben_vulpes: the equity will continue to bear the majority of the variability in profits. This view, while not the standard economic view, has the advantage of being supported by reality. (It also accounts for why non-partner-owned professional services firms tend to conglomerate, but that’s another post.)”
ben_vulpes: just rings too true for comfort though.
ben_vulpes: perhaps i'm insane or a particularly good scammer, but i can close deals that none of the programmers on staff could ever dream of. hilariously, because they're on staff.
ben_vulpes: but at the same time, because i'm not a nightmare to work with, i have a near-infinite sell wall of talent.
ben_vulpes: so basically i can't really figure anything out.
jurov: "peristaltic, multi-tentacular infinite length dildos" ... guess it was inevitable someday on this chan
ben_vulpes: "when the employees can leave and set up shop across the street with almost no need for equity capital" << this is absolutely true, except for the part where they have to close deals. make friends with checkbooks, convince checkbooks of non-retardation, etc.
ben_vulpes: "the equity will continue to bear the majority of the variability in profits" << painfully true.
ben_vulpes: devs clock time, get paid hours. simple maffs.
Vexual: ascicminer sinsures all itsa subsiduriaries?
mircea_popescu: it seems a rehash of "i could code mpex in an afternoon. you kidding, it has no css even"
mircea_popescu: if THAT is what is meant by "equity" the speaker is a retard.
ben_vulpes: for tax reasons, i clock infinity hours, get paid exactly the same amount (for medicare/aid purposes) each month.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes essentially, i don't think you're proceeding on actually defined (or even considered) symbols.
mircea_popescu: unrelatedly : the article does the valuable service of reminind people of volcker's potion. yes, interest rates WERE 20% in 81.
mircea_popescu: and yes it did work. and no, the bezzle wasn't as bad then as it is now.
mircea_popescu: and yes that's what i'd do as fed chairman : interest hike to 35%.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes these can be fine if you can actually explain them. so, how is it true ?
Vexual: everything mariio bros
ben_vulpes: so equity being ownership stake in derpy consulting co.
ben_vulpes: profits being that which is left over after paying out contractors, staff, rent etc.
mircea_popescu: equity is the accounting term for the philosophical notion of fairness.
mircea_popescu: i have an equity interest in your fish. because it was my boat.
cazalla: Vexual, no idea, some people are pinning the theft on friedcat and provided a supposed chinese police report but turned out it was a .. random birth certificate
mircea_popescu: that equity is not the ownership of the boat, but an effect thereof.
Vexual: yeah busininess breed paranoia
mircea_popescu: this should readily resolve the apparent dilemma : if i do in fact have equity in your firm, it means i did something useful.
mircea_popescu: this means that if i hadn't the equity, it wouldn't be "the same thing".
Vexual: ya can describe it otherwise, but the ounts unlike it
ben_vulpes: perhaps the dillema isn't so clear to me, likely due to symbolic confusion.
ben_vulpes: i could freelance, at some rate - let's say 2BTC/hr
ben_vulpes: instead, i coordinate work of the type i could perform on my own. that work costs me, let's say .8B. i bill at ~1.8. on volume, my take home is ~1.5B/hr (assuming 40hrs/wk, 50wks/yr. salary equality assumptions, etc.).
mircea_popescu: " They also remember the high-tech crash of 1984, and the screams of pain up and down Wall Street." << heh it nearly killed gaming altogether, and is responsible for killing consoles. (yes they still exist, but gaming is essentially a pc item)
ben_vulpes: the linked article on one hand doesn't make a terrific amount of sense to me because for whatever reason (perhaps i'm a particularly well-doing con man), i can sell into the buy side of "professional services" at rates that my "bankers" can't touch on their own.
ben_vulpes: on the other hand, during those thing months, the "bankers" walk with hours*rate, and i lose money.
mircea_popescu: that reason having a lot to do with the equity of your position, which you don't account for.
ben_vulpes: right, so we come back around to equity which i clearly don't understand formally.
ben_vulpes: yeah i have no idea how to account for that.
mircea_popescu: you do, yes. " except for the part where they have to close deals. make friends with checkbooks, convince checkbooks of non-retardation, etc"
mircea_popescu: hence my comment about "redoing mpex". the proposition that any two things are the same thing has serious problems in the marketplace.
ben_vulpes: actually, i totally get it all of a sudden.
ben_vulpes: here's the thing that makes me discount my own equity though:
ben_vulpes: i can think of fifteen utterly moronic doodz doing running precisely the same hustle and making vastly more money at it.
ben_vulpes: 99% of that is likely attributable to simply how much longer they've been doing it for.
mircea_popescu: it's fundamentally what makes people chase college degrees instead of being plumbers ; and the impulse that makes people quit their job and take up gambling after a neighbour strikes the powerball.,
mircea_popescu: you're better off with equity than with cash, provided you can distinguish good from bad
ben_vulpes: #bitcoin-assets, by the way, has made investing *harder* for me, not *easier*.
ben_vulpes: everything must be valued in not only dollar payouts, but twenty-one-millionth payouts.
ben_vulpes: and there's this impossible time horizon estimation problem that the "end of civilization" brings with it.
ben_vulpes: it's trivial to say "clearly whatever whatever power structure will fall over."
ben_vulpes: but fuck my life is it hard to put time horizons on that.
ben_vulpes: i'm leaning towards the fiatbezzle right now.
ben_vulpes: it's *gotta* have another 5 years left in it.
ben_vulpes: i suppose that this is more properly spoken of in certainty intervals?
mircea_popescu: dude, i have nfi, im following here. you make a statement, i wanna see how you got to it
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> dude, i have nfi << me neither, i'm just a millwright trying to not starve this decade.
mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone in the wot ever actually starves.
ben_vulpes: "fuck everything that happens, i'm in the wot."
ben_vulpes: i don't know, man! it's one fifteen in the morning and i'm tearing my hair out over how to plan for just the next decade.
ben_vulpes: okay here's an argument for a protracted decline
ben_vulpes: migrations north are going to be slow.
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ben_vulpes: there are more or less 2 major thoroughfares, and they're pretty chokeable.
mircea_popescu: a theoretical knowledge osama experimentally verified.
mircea_popescu: "One of the hottest venture capital investment ideasbankrolling office-supply discount chainsis starting to sour. In the past two years, investors poured nearly $200 million into at least 16 office-supply supermarket chains. But today, the flood of entrants threatens a market-share war, and the result may be hard times."
mircea_popescu: oh gawd, the 80s, time of bad hair, bad clothes and people who thought stapler discounters are a hot vc idea.
ben_vulpes: im not saying the *usg* has to hold the roads and rails.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52400 @ 0.00039403 = 20.6472 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: "When reading, keep in mind that I have so many conflicts of interest that I have conflicts in places where other people dont even have interests."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68462 @ 0.00040191 = 27.5156 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117100 @ 0.00039057 = 45.7357 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: "If you think bankers make too much money, focusing on how much they are paid will get you nowhere. If they are not paid 50% of firm revenue, they will go to another bank that will pay them that much. If no bank will pay them that much, they will go start a new bank. If that sort of compensation is outlawed at any bank present or future, they will start a bank where they are the equity owners and get paid that much. Th
mircea_popescu: e money has to go somewhere, and its not going to go to the providers of capital because the providers of capital to professional services companies have no negotiating leverage."
mircea_popescu: you don't pay free men what you want to pay them. you pay half of what you make or you die at their hands.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77500 @ 0.00039041 = 30.2568 BTC [-] {3}
cazalla: so when did vessenes become involved in the foundation, from what i'm reading, it was gavin that floated and promoted the idea of it back in october 2011 (piecing together some history as suggested by.. who, i forget)
cazalla: fwiw, vessenes' announcements that were once on bitcoinfoundation.org have been purged and only avail via archive.org now
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mike_c: it's part of the conspiracy to make qntra the highest share price on mpex
mats: i love a good conspiracy
jurov: isn't d.cbse the highest share price?
mike_c: not that i am masterminding the conspiracy
jurov: that's suspiciously specific denial
jurov: spill the beans, nao!
mike_c: it has been foretold that once s.qntra and s.mpoe cross, BTC will reach ATH.
jurov: lol you know what? let's put it to bitbet
assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00027068 / 0.00027068 / 0.00027068 (15682 shares, 4.24 BTC), 7D: 0.00027068 / 0.00027329 / 0.000301 (17182 shares, 4.70 BTC), 30D: 0.00018731 / 0.00025621 / 0.000301 (67601 shares, 17.32 BTC)
jurov: when has qntra an anniversary?
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00036425 / 0.0003936 / 0.00041784 (4236138 shares, 1,667.35 BTC), 7D: 0.00036425 / 0.00040146 / 0.00044462 (23643541 shares, 9,491.97 BTC), 30D: 0.00034173 / 0.00039827 / 0.00048515 (92329986 shares, 36,772.60 BTC)
mike_c: Yeah. listed Oct. 13, i think first post was like a week earlier
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danielpbarron: height=245727 vs height=197875 (usb3: height=234283)
jurov: ethereum server has become incredible hog...trying to run it on same hardware than some years ago, it's now impossible to sync
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54950 @ 0.00036975 = 20.3178 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115900 @ 0.00036391 = 42.1772 BTC [-] {4}
jurov: 🚽 🚾 wtf there are two? i'd say one is supposed to have lid open and other one closed, but that's not what standard says
BingoBoingo: jurov: It's that database on top of the other database on top of yet another database
jurov: ikr, the database is supposed to index the blockchain so that getting transaction history for a wallet does not require to scan gigabytes of data
jurov: which is exactly what electrum server seems to be doing :/
fluffypony: reduce the transaction history to like 30
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38231 @ 0.00036205 = 13.8415 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31302 @ 0.00037229 = 11.6534 BTC [+]
jurov: guess i'll end up with that.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72300 @ 0.00036 = 26.028 BTC [-] {6}
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 309300 @ 0.00035795 = 110.7139 BTC [-] {3}
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70649 @ 0.00035645 = 25.1828 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110073 @ 0.00034587 = 38.0709 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: the freemen who take 100% plus organs are actually the lords.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22972 @ 0.00035056 = 8.0531 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28900 @ 0.00035158 = 10.1607 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68700 @ 0.00033798 = 23.2192 BTC [-]
jurov: strip mining of human resources is usually not the best strategy
chetty: <jurov> strip mining of human resources is usually not the best strategy// strip miners ..also know as gubermint
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33020 @ 0.00036804 = 12.1527 BTC [+] {2}
adlai: guy's not heard of the waterfall?
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adlai is glad he's not running a profit center with [the current version of] scalpl... it would've lost ~5% by now, by btc accounting
jurov: where? on buttstamp?
adlai: that number is estimated off a finex account
adlai: yes, naive market making underperforms holding during rallies like this
adlai: so i'm happy for bitcoin but pissed at myself
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9162 @ 0.00034034 = 3.1182 BTC [-]
ascii_field: and esp. mircea_popescu's article on 'plea bargains'
ascii_field: interesting that this kind of thing can be done to a general and former cia fuhrer
ascii_field: nobody, evidently thought 'what if he calls his men to arms?'
ascii_field: neither judge, nor prosecutor, nor any of the various 'preets' involved thought about anthills
adlai isn't sure how much ability somebody so high has to call the _men_ to arms
ascii_field: adlai: in a healthy civilization, they are the -only ones- who have it
adlai: if you look at the officers that defected from assad's army together with their troops, higher ranks are increasingly rare
ascii_field: only degenerate societies bureaucratize military command.
ascii_field: why is the cia described in the past tense ?!?!
adlai: you mean section 10 of the factual basis?
adlai: it seems to be a stylistic choice, everything in the basis is past tense
ascii_field: lol, most of the lawbreaking seems to involve... the man keeping his own notebooks after retirement
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: My impression is that once one assents to the role of directing and agency, they are forced to become insulated from actual charge over their subordinates to prevent 'antihills'
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: well yes. hence neutered civilizations.
BingoBoingo: Cannot call men to arms until solidly 'Schweiched'
lobbes: edis changed its TOS to ban IRC bouncers and "BitCoin" activities; I am in the market for a new vps provider
lobbes: Anyone have a good recommendation?
danielpbarron: it's banned as both "peer-to-peer software," and as a "CPU intense application" (if mining)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30650 @ 0.00034782 = 10.6607 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: maybe i'm just not well informed, having never used such a service, but what is the point if these things are all forbidden? (irc, peer-to-peer, etc..)
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Apps, Websites... Ruby on Rails
trinque: vhost- is a friend of mine who wrote the bot deedbot- is based upon
trinque: vhost-: deedbot- is only listening to add-key and add-deed
trinque: vhost-: if you do !register with a pubkey I'll rate you so you can self voice
vhost-: for help, services and help <servicename>
trinque: yar, I think it takes the fingerprint
vhost-: does it need to be on a keyserver?
vhost-: I don't think I've pushed mine up yet
vhost-: I pushed it up actually
trinque: vhost-: !register <key fingerprint> should do it, I think
NewLiberty: bitcointa.lk's security certificate expired 2 day(s) ago.
danielpbarron: assbot should also accept a link to an ascii armored public key like deedbot; not sure why it still depends on a keyserver and fingerprints
vhost-: !register DAAE E6B5 D729 10B7 4A6F 01F9 52A4 B5B2 F318 8BF2
assbot: That does not seem to be a valid fingerprint.
BingoBoingo: NewLiberty: Even if it wasn't hard to count on SSL for actual security.
vhost-: !register DAAEE6B5D72910B74A6F01F952A4B5B2F3188BF2
assbot: Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: DAAEE6B5D72910B74A6F01F952A4B5B2F3188BF2. This may take a few moments.
assbot: Key F3188BF2 / "Kyle Terry <kyle@kyleterry.com>" successfully imported.
assbot: Registration successful.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58200 @ 0.00035896 = 20.8915 BTC [+] {2}
NewLiberty: Raises the barrier to entry for the session hijacking biz
trinque: !rate vhost- 3 wrote tenyks, on which deedbot is based
trinque: !v assbot:trinque.rate.vhost-.3:94d09c5f0815956839f57a47e437f478d00cf6ee7021d47a8cff593f7137cf2a
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 3 for vhost- with note: wrote tenyks, on which deedbot is based
trinque: vhost-: you should be able to !up yourself from now on
NewLiberty: SSL won't stop WCCP intermediaries or anyone with #enable (or better) in your path, but it keeps the lesser evils at bay.
trinque: danielpbarron: ah, I was wrong
trinque: so uh, how does a brother get in assbot's L1
BingoBoingo: !v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.vhost-.1:32d3011ff47604f12772bffec4fa4822d82f23c755258220a74b2e912b33103e
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for vhost- with note: +v easy come easy go
danielpbarron: trinque, it's a mystery by design for the purpose of preventing gaming of the system
vhost-: I have a lot to learn here
adlai: vhost-: small world
jurov: BingoBoingo: "extramartial" lover ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26938 @ 0.00034782 = 9.3696 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: vhost-: Why haven't you up'd yourself yet.
mike_c: this tenyks thingy.. this looks cool
mike_c: separation of the irc bot part and the service part. a good idea.
mike_c: it makes me a little nervous though that it is written by a self declared shitty go programmer though :)
adlai: are you also nervous reading socrates?
mike_c: i don't run socrates' software
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: you left out key detail in petraeus article - the 'black books' were the man's own notebooks
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Updated looking into that aspect more
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54162 @ 0.00034265 = 18.5586 BTC [-]
jurov: ascii_field: you seen a pamflet claiming ada was intended as elaborate hoax to set back russian progrmamers?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91833 @ 0.00036476 = 33.497 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5167 @ 0.00036948 = 1.9091 BTC [+]
jurov: can't find it anymore, it was hilarious
vhost-: mike_c: thanks! I plan on swapping out redis pub/sub for zeromq so I can add authentication. basically you can run an IRC bot for a community, then your friends give you a public key that allows them to connect to the pub/sub.
vhost-: then you don't have to maintain your friend's services
mike_c: yeah, that could be useful around here
vhost-: they just run them on their own servers
ascii_field: jurov: i don't think i will ever -enjoy- ada. but the more one studies it, the less escapable is the conclusion that 1) it is a necessary thing 2) for which there is, at present, no credible alternative whatsoever
cazalla: yeah, thestringpuller uses instead of " and it botches the links BingoBoingo
danielpbarron: "mod6 was able to successfully modify asciilifeform's build script of the portatronic build used in the Pogo, to statically build .. " << was this the issue? because I used the portatronic build script and the resulting binary didn't work on debian for arm -- said it needed a different version of some thing i don't recall at the moment
ascii_field: danielpbarron: mod6 found that it wasn't 100% static (iirc used libc)
ascii_field: i overlooked this because assumed that static build worked given as test was on box known to lack openssl, boost, bdb as centrally installed libs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100050 @ 0.00037089 = 37.1075 BTC [+] {2}
danielpbarron: is the netbsd thing going to be an automated installer that puts the base system on the attached drive?
ascii_field: danielpbarron: nothing but blockchain should ever live on attached drive
ascii_field: (note that 'pogo' won't ever boot from usb3)
danielpbarron: unless there is some driver problem i'm experiencing, you won't want to put the blockchain on usb3
danielpbarron: it's significantly slower than even a 5400 rpm sata drive
danielpbarron: and sure, it won't boot from usb3 but it will boot from sata
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ascii_field: danielpbarron: os and bitcoind should live in eeprom
ascii_field: (ideally, in one-time-burn antifuse rom, but we don't have it in this box)
mod6: thestringpuller: Maybe the Address wasn't clear enough, but the main goal for March is to publish the milestone release. We have some regression testing ahead of us though.
thestringpuller: mod6: yea the milestone release isn't mentioned in section 0x3
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thestringpuller: except at the end with the implied "Work is halting on this for now as the main focus will be the v0.5.3.1 milestone release. Stay tuned for more on this.
mod6: Eh, well, it's what was meant by the Regression Testing section :]
thestringpuller: ah a tad confusing. release milestone wasn't highlighted so I trimmed it out of the article :P
mod6: yeah, my bad. i'll be more clear next time
thestringpuller: I was just trying to highlight the big wins without pulling too much away from the address itself. Cause I'd rather people go the address for more information.
mod6: np. i just want people to get from your article that we're focused on publishing the release as soon as possible. hopefully this month.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69500 @ 0.00037229 = 25.8742 BTC [+]
mod6: anyway, no worries. thanks for the write up.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell lobbes 1) Yes, provided we make sure we have the right keyfinderprint to attribute work to. 2) Hard to say unless you write it up and see what comes out of it.
ascii_field: is there -any- worthwhile piece of software entirely unafflicted by this retardation ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114805 @ 0.00037127 = 42.6237 BTC [-]
mod6: ld: cannot find -lgtkada_gl << you might be able to link this lib directly.
ascii_field: at any rate, i got past that by ./configure --with-GL=no
mod6: yeah, up above. i saw that. hmm.
ascii_field: every time i do this, i get the distinct feeling that i'm the only living thing other than the package maintainer/developer who tried to build it
ascii_field: and everybody else just chumps along using the binary pkg
mod6: haha. "some assembly required"
ascii_field: i have no problem whatsoever with 'some assembly required'
mod6: it used to be that everyone built from the source. yah, now most people just rely on their package system
ascii_field: but the shitgnomes don't sleep, and they break off necessary parts
ascii_field: and using vintage netbsd or whatever mircea_popescu does, is not a magic pill against this
ascii_field: because the info re: what combination of p,q,r,s,t...that add up to a working z is lost to the sands of time
ascii_field: because 9 out of 10 times it only existed on the original author's machine
mod6: ya, i see what you mean
ascii_field: checking for xmlada... no configure: error: cannot find xmlada
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 11:58:59; cazalla: fwiw, vessenes' announcements that were once on bitcoinfoundation.org have been purged and only avail via archive.org now
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, the bit of history they're trying to purge is that vessennes was the head and treasurer of the thing, in total outrageous breach of common practice, and he got all the early bitcoin donated to it in his own name and used it for his own purposes.
ascii_field: if anyone actually gives a fuck about these, cache'em - archive.org can and has been prevailed upon to do the 'polite society' thing before
mircea_popescu: the current foundation is an embarassing shell, nothing but obligaitons for them so they're trying to shed it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48900 @ 0.00036007 = 17.6074 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: ascii_field the derp party is slowly learning that they can not purge things.
ascii_field: their magical wand of 'let's all the folks who Know How The World Works (TM) pretend this Never Existed' still works great.
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 14:22:57; mike_c: it has been foretold that once s.qntra and s.mpoe cross, BTC will reach ATH.
mircea_popescu: they're great at wearing coats and hiding in hallways.
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 15:33:29; fluffypony: reduce the transaction history to like 30
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 16:25:01; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you don't pay free men what you want to pay them. you pay half of what you make or you die at their hands. << l0l, why only half? why not 100% plus one's saleable organs? and who are 'free men' ?
mircea_popescu: but generally, liberal professions / highly skilled professionals. which pointedly does not include coding monkeys, as per us law.
ascii_field: doesn't include anyone who works on a salary (how'd that work ?)
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 18:38:25; *: adlai is glad he's not running a profit center with [the current version of] scalpl... it would've lost ~5% by now, by btc accounting
ascii_field: folks who are in one of the traditionally recognized guilds - possibly
ascii_field: (programmers blew their chance to establish a guild long, long ago)
mircea_popescu: pretty much erryone but you, alf. models promoting consumer items. athletes. lawyers. financial anythings. business consultants. you name it
ascii_field: interestingly, he understood the fact, the how, and the why - actually studied, at one point before he gave up, to become a lawyer (in no.)
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 19:01:01; ascii_field: interesting that this kind of thing can be done to a general and former cia fuhrer
mircea_popescu: ascii_field ancient article on trilema, back in romanian decade, "half of the revenue or gtfo".
mircea_popescu: and also included "your job is to sell me on how much leverage you put at my disposal to make that revenue, nothing else."
ascii_field: the cost of replacing naggums with 'code monkeys' to prevent the guild will be paid for 1000 years.
ascii_field: and much higher than would've cost otherwise.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field it doesn't count unless it's on the pointed end of a stick.
mircea_popescu: that's the thing all the castrato "experts" with "degrees" fail to grasp. it doesn't matter what "reality" is, may be thought to be, could be inferred etc.
mircea_popescu: if you don't have a pointed stick driving it, it's not real.
ascii_field: stick's pretty sharp, i'm sitting on it as we speak
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84300 @ 0.00035335 = 29.7874 BTC [-]
ascii_field: at this point they need to pray to the gods, possibly no amount of naggum will suffice
ascii_field: the very concept that software could actually work in the sense in which other engineered objects work, is nearly forgotten
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 19:01:13; ascii_field: nobody, evidently thought 'what if he calls his men to arms?'
mircea_popescu: they have nothing. this is proof positive that the cia is as worthless as the vassar feminist book club.
mircea_popescu: and for that matter, beria actually picked up women off the street, raped them for a while and then dropped them off.
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mircea_popescu: so, logically speaking, if the cia were anything like a secret service, we'd know who exactly is^H^H was the lizzard hitler by grepping sudden deaths for warfarin.
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 19:04:57; ascii_field: why is the cia described in the past tense ?!?!
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 19:16:01; lobbes: Anyone have a good recommendation?
mircea_popescu: lobbes anyway, stop running vps' get a damned server. it's not THAT much.
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 19:44:37; danielpbarron: assbot should also accept a link to an ascii armored public key like deedbot; not sure why it still depends on a keyserver and fingerprints
lobbes: mircea_popescu: You mean a physical server in my own abode? or just leasing a 'dedicated server' somewhere?
lobbes: I'd imagine the latter would fall prey to the same issues as a vps
lobbes: ultimately out of my control
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 19:48:15; NewLiberty: SSL won't stop WCCP intermediaries or anyone with #enable (or better) in your path, but it keeps the lesser evils at bay.
mircea_popescu: lobbes ideally, colocate. but otherwise, sure, get a dedi, if they start discussing what you run on it tell them to get lost./
mircea_popescu: if you want to run it at 100% doing shell forks for five months, your problem.
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.vhost-.1:f73baccc083341a1a24cc121f1ec7c3c2618b1e9b182f84511e1dc2924f9d213
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for vhost- with note: new blood
mircea_popescu: Subject: Programmer | Designer | Coder @ $599/month onwards From: "Patricia Jones" <patricia@resourceonhire.com>
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40131 @ 0.00036706 = 14.7305 BTC [+]
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lobbes: I love that term; 'resources'
PeterL: seems rather vague, what are the actually trying to sell?
NewLiberty: "free project management support" = they'll spend your money for you and won't charge more than the money that they spend for you?
cazalla: no offense PeterL but scoopbot is the worst bot evar
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60600 @ 0.00036995 = 22.419 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Sometimes you have to look past everything else and jsut acknowledge some big titties.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65800 @ 0.00037281 = 24.5309 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81856 @ 0.00037283 = 30.5184 BTC [+]
adlai: pete_dushenski: where's that from?
cazalla: seen a few variations of that pop up
adlai: i'm ashamed to admit that i have no clue what idiocy could produce such an error
Pierre_Rochard: tried it myself, got “Invalid size” error. May be an API bug (or photoshopped)
cazalla: client side apparently.. not that i'd know
Pierre_Rochard: pete_dushenski: hello! how’s the new ride been treating you?
Pierre_Rochard: do you need chains on the wheels or are they civilized enough to sweep?
pete_dushenski: Pierre_Rochard they plow, sweep, etc. plus i have blizzak winter tires
assbot: Breaking: Canadian Exchange QuadrigaCX to Become World’s First Publicly Traded Bitcoin Exchange – Bitcoin Magazine ... (
http://bit.ly/1ELmFF6 )
nubbins`: dat feb state of bitcoin address
Pierre_Rochard: ^ what I’m waiting for is an exchange with segregated fiat accounts held by a custodian bank. May be wishful thinking
pete_dushenski: Pierre_Rochard so basically a bank you already know and trust with a btc trading platform
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I may have to watch again less drunk, but I believe Poitras was behind the camera most of the time.
nubbins`: for those of you who collect shiny things:
pete_dushenski: Pierre_Rochard anything new on your end these days ? any accounting software updates ?
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 08:58:24; mircea_popescu: " They also remember the high-tech crash of 1984, and the screams of pain up and down Wall Street." << heh it nearly killed gaming altogether, and is responsible for killing consoles. (yes they still exist, but gaming is essentially a pc item)
Pierre_Rochard: pete_dushenski: I’ve split the accounting logic from the webapp so that it’s just a python package. Cleaner and decrufted. Getting close to a stable-enough version to write up documentation
gabriel_laddel: as for the original PSP, 76.3 million sales (as of March 31, 2012)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: One of the safest assumptions from the film though is that one of the core group of Snowden journalists had at some poin been turned or always was an unsavory side vegetable. Likely Greenwald, likely before meeting snowden in HK.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77700 @ 0.00037428 = 29.0816 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: ^ Potentially useful for home 100nm IC fab
decimation: pete_dushenski: segregated fiat? like 100% reserve, physical bills laying in a warehouse?
nubbins`: quadrigacx lets you deposit gold
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Dunchu No, U let everyone deposit everything and just hope some sort of market stability sticks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46200 @ 0.00037631 = 17.3855 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: gold->btc easier if this works
pete_dushenski: decimation lol don't ask me, it's Pierre_Rochard's fantasy
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: And the previous generation PowerPC. Pure Apple style trechery.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo which new console is running powerpc guts ?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Neither, but the Ms360 and PS3 were bother powerPC
decimation: I don't think we yanks can send money to canadian banks
pete_dushenski: heh, who knew that i have a powerpc collecting dust at home!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Amazing the damage a single decade does
decimation: pete_dushenski: paypal does canadian EFT?
Pierre_Rochard: decimation: this is about separating the traders’ cash from the exchange’s cash. Comingling of funds is not a good idea, as you point out it can lead to “fractional reserve” by the exchange (more precisely, defalcation)
BingoBoingo: Then again the PowerPC console generation came as Apple left the architecture and IBM wanted anyone else to jsutify its continued work there
decimation: Pierre_Rochard: I kinda assumed that non-scam exchanges would do this, but apparently nobody can resist
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The value of the game consoles was the illusion of volume
BingoBoingo: But M$ in particular hit the same issues that sent Apple away "Red Ring of Death"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41600 @ 0.00037652 = 15.6632 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: Intended meaning one line lower. Vodka time
ben_vulpes: !v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.vhost-.2:45f33ea63fd332565cd5944c27d4e2d71efa99db12620aef65556fa23229d0f5
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 2 for vhost- with note: taught me much
BingoBoingo: decimation: Of course it is, but... semiconductor lithography... In the neighbor's shed!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.00036354 = 10.3609 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58800 @ 0.00037883 = 22.2752 BTC [+] {2}
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decimation: re: petraeus < I said they would never prosecute, and I'm not sure if I'm right or not
decimation: it will be interesting to see how he is sentenced
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sure, but cleaning after the fact is the next best thing to starting from a clean workspace
BingoBoingo: decimation: Basically it seems the objective of the scandal was to keep him out of national politics. Mission accomplished as it rarely is.
BingoBoingo: Sure, Just cutting out safety seems to open a number of options. Like it does in batteries.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30300 @ 0.00036354 = 11.0153 BTC [-]
decimation: BingoBoingo: that's an interesting angle on petraeus (keeping him out of politics)
decimation: of course nearly everyone in washington is guilty of exactly the same crimes
decimation: yeah, nuclear reactors are actually pretty simple in principle
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, but I imagine applications of walking biodiesel
decimation: asciilifeform: well, look at that diane roark chick
BingoBoingo: decimation: The thing is he took the post as an active duty officer and the affair itself presented another potentially chargeable crime.
decimation: agents took nearly all of her personal papers and 'decided' which ones were actually classified at their own discretion
decimation: then they argue that the courts are not able to decide these matters
BingoBoingo: decimation: But UMCJ would have applied. Part of the way to defanging nation.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Of course. Petraeus's greatest problem was going as high as a primate could go. Purely sublizard being
decimation: someone at DOJ had an agenda against him
BingoBoingo: decimation: Higher you go the more UCMJ hit if it is applied
decimation: everything usg does has a civil servant with an agenda behind it
decimation: BingoBoingo: yeah, but instead he's going to jail instead of taking a demotion
decimation: I don't get how that is even in the same ballpark
BingoBoingo: decimation: Hasn't been sentenced yet. Anyways UCMJ provides for the occasional death penalty
decimation: at any rate, I suspect the whole petraeus affair is merely designed to pour encourager les autres while simultaneously dinging a potential political rival
BingoBoingo remembers in early 2012 before scandal Petraeus being floated as a more serious threat to Obola than Congress
BingoBoingo: Oh, the Harry Potter thing updated with two new chapters and still isn't over yet.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46777 @ 0.00036097 = 16.8851 BTC [-] {2}
decimation: “There is light in the world, and it is us!" Eliezer Yudkowsky, Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality << "We are the ones we've been waiting for" Obama
BingoBoingo still only on chapter 66 and closing chapters, which ought to be expected as I'm from a town with "auf wiedersehen" on the signs at its borders
trinque: decimation: hilarious how close that is to christian rhetoric
trinque: same heaven on earth myth too
decimation: trinque: as a Christian I find their statements abhorrent
decimation: because it asserts a form of 'christianity' without Christ
decimation: "man is your god, and I am your prophet"
trinque: right-o, it's a sort of techno-atheist christianity
BingoBoingo is dissapoint in this fanfic/propaganda piece. Halfway through and no fucking?
trinque: decimation: seems like bitcoin has attracted a lot of christians, not that I mind. I'm curious why that is, if so
decimation: BingoBoingo: what about your woodchipper fetish harry potter?
trinque: maybe there are more out there than I think
BingoBoingo: decimation: Had the virtue of being short. At least blood has a lubricant quality all its own.
BingoBoingo: decimation: And I did not write the woodchipper fanfic. Merely found it searching for tales of awesome machines.
decimation: trinque: for myself, my interest in bitcoin flows directly from my interest in competent government
decimation: I also think the fiat machine that enables mass theft from everyone's savings is a form of usary
danielpbarron: decimation, what do you think of this?: Revelation 13:16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or[a] the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
trinque: danielpbarron: sounds like antibitcoin
danielpbarron: "no one may buy or sell except one who has ... the number of his name"
trinque: danielpbarron: heh I could project the beast's key and my key onto that too
decimation: danielpbarron: revelation is a difficult book. I have no idea what that means
trinque: danielpbarron: I enjoy thinking of the usgov as the whore, though I've heard people argue thats the catholic church
decimation: danielpbarron: it is very interesting though
danielpbarron: i'm not saying GPG and the WoT is the number and the beast necessarily, but the similarity is more striking than most ideas i've heard
danielpbarron: seems more likely than the idea that carbon credits and rfid chips are the beast and mark
trinque: danielpbarron: evil does that doesn't it? takes something and twists it just a hair
trinque: bitcoin plus some kind of address validation scheme plus govt-captured mining
trinque: sure, it'd be just like that
danielpbarron: Romans 13 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have
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decimation: danielpbarron: that was what I was going to bring up next. this text (romans 13) is difficult to put into practice in a universal suffrage democracy
decimation: who exactly is to be the object of your submission? the law as written? or as interpreted by bureaucrats? or as voted by your neighbor?
danielpbarron: the USG is surely wicked in that it enforces laws that are counter to The Bible
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Could even the good doktor mark such a large keyspace as RSA as his numebers?
danielpbarron: but if we are to take God at His word, even this wicked government is for good
BingoBoingo: Anyways, revelations is awfully late to be considered God's word.
decimation: but that 'goodness' might be delivered through great destruction
trinque: sounds a lot more like that guy John went on one hell of a psychedelic trip
BingoBoingo: End of the world stuff would probably be better in Ezekiel with the horse dicks
danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, interestingly enough consider if someone came along who could factor any number of arbitrary length -- would that not appear to be a miracle?
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: I'd need to know if they have a time machine or not.
trinque: danielpbarron: the passivity in romans 13 is the kind of thing I rejected on the way out of the church
trinque: I could see myself in the past saying "well, if this 'authority' is not godly, they're no real authority"
danielpbarron: i think it's along the lines of how this world is temporary anyway -- it's like the tower of babel to try to make heaven on earth
danielpbarron: i mean, USG or b-a in charge either way this all gets destroyed ultimately ; but i think i'd rather have b-a in charge if there is a choice
trinque: danielpbarron: ultimately no one's in charge of much
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: But there is always the constraint that particular lives are bound by finitude. Tis the extraordinarily rare prophet of doom who gets to see the doom while living. Jeremiah didn't
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think whoever they are is in the DoS loop
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: They keep getting voiced, bumped to guest*** and rejoining
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 03:36:26; danielpbarron: such a person could sign a message as any user
danielpbarron: isn't a private key a composite number with two very large prime numbers?
trinque: +BingoBoingo | danielpbarron: But there is always the constraint that particular lives are bound by finitude. << my world ends whether "the" world ends or not
adlai: not really, there's just a single prime in bitcoin crypto, and there's no need to factor anything
mircea_popescu: looking in the logs, apparently alf created a new word nao, "portatronic"
adlai: ok, so the confusion was on my end :)
adlai: although not all gpg keys are rsa
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Even with GPG not everything is RSA. Some people are stupid and use version 2-ish though it lacks backwards compatibility or they use 80's fail crypto which breaks easily.
BingoBoingo: IN the very worst case and RSA fails at least private languages aren't too bad compared to DES, provided the grammar and semantics are unique
danielpbarron: even though it's still not proven, i'll go out on a limb saying that the ability to factor a number of arbitrary length would have to come from a supernatural source, and such a being could probably break all the alternative methods
BingoBoingo: If anyone has a time machine to lend I have all kinds of trans cholonolgical arbitrage opportunities that can enrish you provided you give me exactly one whole minute longer than it takes to start the machine alone with it.
adlai: well anyone can factor a number of arbitrary length in arbitrary time... consistently being able to factor arbitrary length numbers in constant time, now that is a 'supernatural' algorithm, relative to current knowledge
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mircea_popescu: this "private language" thing is a lot easier said than done.
adlai is no longer a pay pal >:(
mircea_popescu: i remember a time, maybe 10 or so years ago, when having a paypal was like, a point of pride.
adlai: >:( expresses annoyance, not shame (or lack of pride)
adlai: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 276.71, vol: 18996.35978116 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 274.711, vol: 18812.28951 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 279.58, vol: 84375.6220414 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 278.13706, vol: 152561.77060000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 276.31875, vol: 22.90894774 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 280.367, vol: 178.00907986 | Volume-weighted last average: 278.248147885
adlai: chicken coming down to roost
danielpbarron: lol paypal nags me every time i log in now about how i haven't given them enough KYC but they let me send money regardless
adlai needs to try this as coding music
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the notion of a "deprecated symbol" boggles my mind.,
decimation: adlai: recently i've become a fan of arvo pärt (yes, via moldbug)
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 22:23:41; ascii_field: every time i do this, i get the distinct feeling that i'm the only living thing other than the package maintainer/developer who tried to build it
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> this "private language" thing is a lot easier said than done. << Is any truly dark art otherwise? When you surrender the truth of mathematics to language?
decimation: asciilifeform: how can you 'do' package management without keeping track of the symbols
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform overheard right now "o yeah ? well the gentoo manual was down for likle... 3 days. i don't think this is a good sign"
adlai: fwiw, 'private language' has served organisms rather well for countless generations, we've only been toying with information hiding for an instant in comparison
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform your idea of widely differs from nature.
mircea_popescu: what's widely, 50 actual usecases which all depend on the same three contractors ?
decimation: asciilifeform: yes but didn't you once say that package management can only be properly done at the language level?
assbot: Logged on 08-02-2015 18:50:39; asciilifeform: trying to explain that it is quit impossible to have a package management system above the language level that is not dumbed down by support for braindamaged languages.
adlai: asciilifeform: any particular reason for your love of ada, specifically?
decimation: asciilifeform: well, this is a general problem in C programming - the failure to provide a global namespace
decimation: "no, I want the writef() that does the stuff, not the writef() that displays singing monkeys"
decimation: asciilifeform: also it's probably never going to attract hipsters
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> decimation: but in this case the package manager is not at fault. someone deliberately sabotaged a library. << So on OpenBSD I'm nt finding an Ada port or package that works with sufficient frequency to make it too the tree. Looking like the turdswitch may have been flipped in GCC
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Dragonfly ports are mostly loose FreeBSD ports with little guarentee of working. There are older Ada and the visual Ada IDE ports for OpenBSD, but... it seems fuckers would on the whole rather test "go"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, "uni studends" right. "use" mhm kay.
BingoBoingo is working on the pressing problem of testing other possible bitcoind/qts atm
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: So far been searchin for 95 compatible gnat and IDE safety net
adlai: Version: 1.0 (17-MAR-86)
adlai: iirc that's before 0.5.3
adlai: windows filesharing
decimation: mircea_popescu: it's an implementation of cifs, which is the standard windows network filesystem
mircea_popescu: "Samba is a suite of SMB and CIFS client/server programs." szus nothing to me
adlai: "had"? i thought there was at least one working lispm in the republic!
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 23:59:18; PeterL: sorry, cazalla
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BingoBoingo confesses running to OpenBSD instead of Gentoo not because of knowledge, but from a lack of knowledge. Still determine personal minimal set of installed software. No confident enough to make best choices on a whole workstation (as opposed to appliance) stack.
decimation: asciilifeform: I spent a few days trying to get ada working on osx 10.9, gave up
decimation: macports has a 'port' of gcc-gnat , but it requires an existing ada compiler to build
adlai: lcd trip = lsd + advertisements?
decimation: asciilifeform: macports suggested four alternatives, none of which were available or worked
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adlai: asciilifeform: what's the lispm good for these days? i'm intrigued by them but (as you yourself have said) software sim is much more practical these days
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 01:10:36; pete_dushenski: at the time it seemed like a basement operation
adlai: you used a regular keyboard with the lispm?
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 01:11:52; Pierre_Rochard: ^ what I’m waiting for is an exchange with segregated fiat accounts held by a custodian bank. May be wishful thinking
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: There were people inquiring about qntra submisisons on the firstness of that, but when pressed to source... saw necessary hedges unnews'd it
adlai: or the symbolics keyboard with the emulator?
adlai: BingoBoingo: "why did the dinosaur cross the road? because the chicken hadn't yet evolved"
BingoBoingo: adlai: If I had knowledge to author regex, I'd have a refutation...
adlai: no, you'd have two problems
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adlai: regex authorship is a treacherous knowledge
BingoBoingo: adlai: A number of technologies produce by a factor of ten more probems than they solve, why would regex be so bad. Not like it is python...
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> haha fawks was evil. << The phoenix, no. Chaotic neutral
gabriel_laddel: interestingly, the common lisp standard doesn't contain regular expressions. Why? Because they're unnecessary when you don't ever have to parse input.
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 01:16:52; asciilifeform: hruschev was a whole gensec and what did that get him after retirement.
BingoBoingo: Amazingly sbcl, no problem on OpenBSD. Any Ada at all, huge fucking pain.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel you stil lthink 18mn units sold means something ?
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: with respect to the claim that console gaming is 'dead' - yes.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Haven't got response to it yet, lack time for my Micheal J Fox hands. adlai Even bitcoin-qt threads beautifully here
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 01:26:15; BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: One of the safest assumptions from the film though is that one of the core group of Snowden journalists had at some poin been turned or always was an unsavory side vegetable. Likely Greenwald, likely before meeting snowden in HK.
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2015 20:35:08; mircea_popescu: but seriously, wikipedia is returned because "fact:wikipedia is what we promote" rather than any "algorithmics"
mircea_popescu: it's kind-of like looking for a soviet army unit without a political comissar.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel "dead" in the sense of, "not what gaming is"
mircea_popescu: they had a chance at making games = consoles, prior to 94
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I watched citizenfour at my drunk and most socially aware BAC. They talked about the shortlived Snowden2.0 in Russia. His opsec failure was making any contact with Greenhole.
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, "xerox" is still how you say copier machine / to copy paper by machine in most of the world.
adlai: gabriel_laddel: c.l.l...
gabriel_laddel: adlai: I was linking you to it b/c you asked why one might want a lispm
BingoBoingo amazed building python2.7.8 from ports much less pain than building sbcl whatever the available was.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: But on what? (easier to answer for what I am drunk on than the others)
adlai: for values of EtOH approaching Δ9-THC
adlai: gabriel_laddel: i'm reading, thank you. asciilifeform dunno, i recognize many sections by number
decimation: asciilifeform: regex does seem to be a kind of 'hair shirt' that is proudly worn by modern programmers
adlai: ;;isup l1sp.org/mop
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1040271 << tbh, i suspect there are fundamental problems that prevent functional implementations of this segregation in functional currencies. you're essentially stuck choosing : either fiat currency and imaginary "segregation" (of definitionally worthless "money") or else strong currency and no segregation.
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 01:47:14; Pierre_Rochard: decimation: this is about separating the traders’ cash from the exchange’s cash. Comingling of funds is not a good idea, as you point out it can lead to “fractional reserve” by the exchange (more precisely, defalcation)
mircea_popescu: the correct solution probably is to simply put someone in charge, and have them answer with their head.
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adlai: you people seen tlsnotary yet?
mircea_popescu: which will make large banking concerns impossible, but perhaps to no detriment.
decimation: BingoBoingo: one thing snowden is his brazen equivocation between domestic and foreign espionage
decimation: ah sorry, ^ one thing that bothers me about snowden
gabriel_laddel: adlai: No, but looking at the website.... why do you mention it?
adlai: tlsnotary lets you turn any bank with functional online services into the fiat side of a wot-based exchange
adlai: tlsnotary [purports to let you]*, (but they seem to know what they're doing, as far as i can tell)
BingoBoingo: decimation: Snowden is still you enough for an Anerican to be angry about his circumstances of origin. Provided the documentary interviews actually involved him he seemed personally slighted that his HK room hotel phone listened.
adlai: gabriel_laddel: i was just trying to show off more l1sp.org features
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Aha they took reop as is... Even with the part where it only exists as a "go" turd
decimation: BingoBoingo: snowden seems to be 5% 'whistleblower' and 95% 'media sensation'
adlai: asciilifeform: the convenience of pgp with all the trustlessness of ssl!
BingoBoingo: decimation: Media sensation part seem sto mostly have been an asbestos jacket. He seems, if film was honest to know it was a life shortening ploy, but less so than what manning did.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why do you think the idiocy of a bureaucrat is remarkable to any degree ?
mircea_popescu: he thinks his life is a life, and his woman a woman, and so on and so forth
adlai guesses that $censored_guild has set the bar rather low...
decimation: ultimately, snowden's downfall is that he's a libertard, and that by 'creating a conversation' or 'raising awareness' he can accomplishing anything is a fallacy
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Maybe have one of the more socially perceptive girls screen the citizenfour thing to see if it is worthy of your eyes. Nothing about it suggest weakening opsec in the slightest. Just do they get the same Greenwald was the snitch vibe that I did.
adlai mourns the pun's sad lonely death
decimation: mircea_popescu: satans invisible world revealed?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: WOuld explain alot about Omi*'s reported media empire failure method