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thestringpuller: ;;market buy 100000
gribble: Bitstamp | This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 12464.151 bitcoins, for a total of 5694585.6424 USD and take the price to 99999.0000. | Data vintage: 0.0216 seconds
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pete_dushenski: ;;later tell cazalla let's see if this works for qntra submission:
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell BingoBoingo samesies:
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kakobrekla: !rate assbot 1 test
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP:
kakobrekla: seems to work?
cazalla: ;;later tell pete_dushenski works fine!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
cazalla: ;;later tell mircea_popescu Bitcoin is not your toy, OK!
assbot: The Hard Fork Missile Crisis | ... ( )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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BingoBoingo: That was some good sleep
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cazalla: BingoBoingo, how many hours?
BingoBoingo: cazalla: A solid 9-10
BingoBoingo: lots of vivid, memorable REM phases
cazalla: ah, the life of a qntra writer/bachelor!
cazalla: i've had 2 nights straight of dreams where people get hit by trains
BingoBoingo: There were mazes, girls, low speed chases, shootouts, and orgies of celebration... Basically I dream in action movies
cazalla: i love those ones
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: thank you for nominating me to tae Patraeus's chair at central Intelligence
BingoBoingo: I'd basically be doing what, loading trucks with office supplies and busses headed to the Uranium mines?
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BingoBoingo: Nice one
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punkman: BingoBoingo: There were mazes, girls, low speed chases, shootouts, and orgies of celebration... Basically I dream in action movies << why is maze/chase/shootout such a common theme? always comes up when discussing dreams
BingoBoingo: punkman: I dunno really. In this one chase followed having fun in the maze with the girl and started when girl began throwing rocks at the police from the maze
trinque: punkman: seems like they're for simulating situations that'd be riskier to learn from in the real world
trinque: fucking drunks brawling outside...
trinque: not a good fight either; I think the one winning is crying
BingoBoingo: trinque> fucking drunks brawling outside... << It's nature, let it happen
trinque: I went outside and watched a bit, but it was pitiful
trinque: crack may have played a factor
BingoBoingo: That might make it more pitiful
punkman: trinque, last time that happened I threw bucket of water on the loudest ass
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mircea_popescu: cazalla you know there's a word for this, among people who shovel this particular sort of elephant shit for a living (mostly, clinical psychiatrist)
mircea_popescu: not sure what it is in english, tho im sure it must exist. perhaps something like "shamanistic narrative".
mircea_popescu: basically, the story the 13 yo mutters to herself under her breath to replace unwelcome reality.
mircea_popescu: trinque hey. wassat ?
trinque: some deedin
mircea_popescu: website ?
trinque: finishing the upload guy
trinque: is where it will be shortly
mircea_popescu: coolness.
mircea_popescu: brb writing some about when i was young.
trinque: this experience will have me lobbying harder for sqlite in the foundation's client in the future
trinque: mircea_popescu: k
BingoBoingo thinks key/value store in "bitcoind -base" prolly fine fancier databases prolly belong in "bitcoind -bchainindexer" when the functionality gets atomized, but take opinion here with hefty pile of salt
trinque: BingoBoingo: it's worth thinking about for a long time, for sure
trinque: though if the goal is a perfect client, I think a real database offers helpful tools
trinque: perfect meaning the data is *never* munged
trinque: getting utxos, right? that's left-join-where-null between the outputs table and the inputs table
trinque: seems like what you want is something where you can express the logic of bitcoin clearly, look at it, and say yup, that is bitcoin
punkman: sqlite would be an order of magnitude more reliable than bdb/leveldb
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mircea_popescu: digging through trilema (fuck it, i can't find an article hot damn) i found a 2011 pick-up guide.
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mircea_popescu: it's pretty great.
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danielpbarron: height=229694 vs height=193386
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jurov: asciilifeform, it was actually accepted and distributed but not archived :/
trinque: << there be deeds
trinque: at least test ones
trinque: everything works; tomorrow I'll go over the thing looking for derps, then park it in here for actual use
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mats: "The combined effect of those separation costs and the hit from the strong dollar will almost halve HP's free cash flow this fiscal year to about $3.5 billion to $4 billion, down from three months ago when it forecast $6.5 billion to $7 billion."
mats: yowch
thestringpuller: they still make a good printer
thestringpuller: jurov: i can't get to that page. "page not available"
thestringpuller: !up nubbins` hello there good sir
nubbins`: assbot otp down
nubbins`: hp may make a good printer, but epson makes a better one
nubbins`: for that matter, Brother laser machines are pretty sweet too
kakobrekla: !rate assbot 1 test
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP:
kakobrekla: works here ?
kakobrekla: anyone cant see that url ?
trinque: kakobrekla: works
jurov: and says "Bad request, could not find the requested OTP."
danielpbarron: it expired, probably
danielpbarron: it worked for me 25 minutes ago
BingoBoingo: !up nubbins`
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assbot: Why the modern world is bad for your brain | Science | The Guardian ... ( )
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lobbes: "Now more people have mobile phones than have toilets. This has created an implicit expectation that you should be able to reach someone when it is convenient for you, regardless of whether it is convenient for them. This expectation is so ingrained that people in meetings routinely answer their mobile phones to say, “I’m sorry, I can’t talk now, I’m in a meeting.” Just a decade or two ago, those same people would h
lobbes: ave let a landline on their desk go unanswered during a meeting, so different were the expectations for reachability." << Heh, I've seen people do this.. still strikes me as rude
BingoBoingo: !up pete_dushenski
BingoBoingo: !up PeterL
pete_dushenski: scoopbot -fetch
pete_dushenski: “a politician who stays poor is poor at politics.” -hank gonzalez, mexican politician
pete_dushenski: scoopbot -fetch
fluffypony: "a poor person who stays poor is poor at money." - fluffy pony, equine
pete_dushenski: "network effects anyone?! Early adopters are important people because ADOPTION!" << twitter dood derping at me about pgp adoption
pete_dushenski: "because ADOPTION" is my new favourite slogan for redditards et al.
pete_dushenski: fluffypony lol
fluffypony: we should put pgp in the blockchain
fluffypony: GPGChain
fluffypony: powered by GPGCoin
pete_dushenski: if only this were still 2013, y'know we might have a shot at fleecing some kids with that
lobbes: hell, you probably still can on scamcointalk
pete_dushenski: i would be... impressed if that were still so
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pete_dushenski: scoopbot: and don't come back until you sort out your differences with contravex!
nubbins`: re: phones and expectations
nubbins`: there's a really, really easy solution to this
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: still can't get scoopbot to announce contravex articles?
nubbins`: turn off the ring and vibrate functions on your phone, and leave them off.
nubbins`: suddenly, it doesn't run your life anymore
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller still.
PeterL: I figured out that python doesn't seem to like some of contravex's titles
pete_dushenski: nubbins` lol i thought you were talking about the tracking device part for a sec
nubbins`: heh nah
assbot: Your Cellphone Is A Tracking Device That Relays Your Conversations In Plaintext | ... ( )
nubbins`: nothing says "i'm an annoying piece of shit" than an audible call/text noise
chetty: <nubbins`> turn off the ring and vibrate functions on your phone, and leave them off.// most people just cant do that, already addicted
PeterL: but scoopbot was not looking at the titles, so I am kinda at a loss as to why it doesn't like contravex
thestringpuller: nubbins`: i do this with texts. No vibration no sound. Have to put it on ring profile for them to make a noise. But usually you start to check messages when you feel like it rather than compulsively.
pete_dushenski: ^i'm even reduced to scooping for qntra now.
thestringpuller: chetty: information addiction is treatable tho
nubbins`: chetty most people don't *want* to
chetty: nubbins`, +++
pete_dushenski: it's the lowest calorie addiciton going
nubbins`: they're secretly pleased every time their phone dings in the presence of others
pete_dushenski: you can't see your brain turning into a fat, slothful mess
nubbins`: thestringpuller the "down side" is that for the first few weeks, people get snarky with you
nubbins`: but after a few "yeah, i leave it on silent"s
nubbins`: they adjust their expectations
nubbins`: !up pete_dushenski PeterL
nubbins`: !up PeterL
thestringpuller: nubbins`: i find those who get snarky are the most addicted.
nubbins`: "didn't you see my texts?!?!?!?! i texted you 8 times!!!!!"
nubbins`: y'know, just in case the first 7 "ding!!!!"s were missed
thestringpuller: nubbins`: one symptom of information addiction is "forgets to callback". People who check their phone compulsively will see a text or missed call and make note in working memory to get back with the person.
nubbins`: and never do
chetty: <<< power out day before yesterday, discovered I forgot to charge my phone, for oh about 2 weeks :)
nubbins`: until they see em at the bar two weeks later
nubbins`: "oh, dude, right"
nubbins`: chetty :D
mircea_popescu: <trinque> << there be deeds << cool. why are some repeated ?
thestringpuller: nubbins`: yes. very similar to symptoms of ADHD.
nubbins`: we have no landline, so i try not to leave mine dead for more than a few hours at a time
nubbins`: !up soypirate
nubbins`: hola, pirate
nubbins`: soy nubbins
chetty: nubbins`, yeah got to admit I was a little annoyed with myself, no landline here either so no phone charged was kinda dumb
mircea_popescu: This expectation is so ingrained that people in meetings routinely answer their mobile phones to say << maybe what has really changed is the expectation re meetings. just a decade or two ago, people would have expected meetings to serve a rational purpose and end with a result.
mircea_popescu: neither is the case today, people just hang around.
nubbins`: (incidentally, why does all the milk in the organic section loudly proclaim "I'M MILK!" in spanish?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: this is very precise.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski> "because ADOPTION" is my new favourite slogan for redditards et al. << orphans seeking adoption. nothing wrong with the picture.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu i recall at one office job, my boss' boss' boss was getting a promotion, and so called all 120 programmers into a boardroom, 30 at a time, to explain about his new responsibilities but nothing will change for the rest of us
nubbins`: guy stole 120 hours on the company. a month's work. when an email woulda done
nubbins`: this is what meetings are
mircea_popescu: so why wouldn't you answer the phone. it's more like a boring highschool class than a meeting.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: people just hang around << i find this is because people lack focus during the meeting. You stay on topic until someone mentions something off topic. "Blah blah blha pink floyd" "Oh you like pink floyd?" 30 minutes later you realize you're still talking about a 70's rock band and not about that thing you're supposed to be meeting about.
mircea_popescu: no he was being proactive and communicaty or whatchamacallit.
nubbins`: yeah
nubbins`: doing his due diligence on a go-forward basis
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller lack of focus lack of schmokus. it's because they're impotent. they know they're impotent.
mircea_popescu: what else to do ?
nubbins`: mind you, this was the head of IT
nubbins`: "how do i get my sound turned on?" head of IT
nubbins` shudders at memory
nubbins`: incidentally, last monday was my 2-year anniversary of retirement
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: what else to do ? << learn to concentrate better instead of being a fucking child?
nubbins`: folks: "any regrets?" me: "not doing it sooner"
PeterL: get better co-workers?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` turned on as in, sexually ?
nubbins`: turned on, as in i wanna hear the angry birds smash the pigs
nubbins`: it was at this job that i realized just because you work as a computer programmer, doesn't mean you know even the basics of what computers are and how they work
nubbins`: "right-click and copy that" "what?"
nubbins`: "o.O"
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chetty: being clueless about the actual tech is what gets you the promotion
pete_dushenski: nice write-up BingoBoingo !
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nubbins`: chetty plenty of amoebas floating around in the upper levels
pete_dushenski: "The U.S. Department of the Treasury’s Bureau of the Fiscal Service (Fiscal Service) today announced that, the government’s secure web based collection portal for payments to federal agencies, now offers both PayPal and Dwolla as payment options." << from a few days ago.
nubbins`: once an incompetent worker reaches a certain longevity, their dismissal is tacit admittance that they've been fooling everyone all along
nubbins`: so rather than facing "yep, we've let this dead weight collect a cheque for 15 years"
pete_dushenski: ^"please don't use cash for anything ever because only bad people use cash"
nubbins`: they just give 'em a different job in another department
nubbins`: which, if it didn't accompany a pay raise, would engender the same line of questioning as a dismissal
mircea_popescu: nubbins` pretty much has it.
nubbins`: eventually they learn their way around enough that latecomers can easily be fooled into thinking that the variety speak is representative of skill, not imitation
nubbins`: "who, alex? he's been here longer than i have! knows the place inside out!"
nubbins`: but all of alex's projects are always fucked up and late
nubbins`: usually due to "external factors" or "changing requirements"
mircea_popescu: the problem essentially is that specialist groups do need a variety talk, however "politeness" combined with that results into a lot of nooks and crannies where alex can hide.
nubbins`: absolutely
mircea_popescu: it's not coincidental that all successful specialist groups are irreverent.
nubbins`: when a large, once-profitable company suddenly goes belly-up or massively scales back, you can expect to find a high percentage of alexes on the payroll
mircea_popescu: you can also expect to find the last time someone made fart jokes publicly @ the expense of people present buried under at least a decade of history.
nubbins`: bahahahaha.
nubbins`: incidentally, you could go on a meaty tangent about public employees right about here
nubbins`: i'm gonna abstain
mircea_popescu: lol wut ? abstinence only sex ed ?
thestringpuller: !up pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 236.89, Best ask: 236.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 236.99, 24 hour volume: 5556.79789999, 24 hour low: 234.01, 24 hour high: 239.31, 24 hour vwap: 236.80126748
nubbins`: mp ok i'm gonna pull out, then
nubbins`: how bout that?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` lol winner.
lobbes: re: meetings << Even when they are on-topic, they are rarely organized. I've actually overheard someone in a phone meeting: "we're having a lack of communication about x, I think we should have a meeting on it"
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lobbes: pete_dushenski: yeah, I received an email from Dwolla the other day about them partnering with usg.. made me happy I never did any transactions with them.
pete_dushenski: ya whatever happened to dwolla anyways ?
pete_dushenski: vis-a-vis bitcoin...
lobbes: good question
pete_dushenski: were they just a mt gox thing ?
mike_c: they were briefly the best way to get usd to mt gox, i don't think they've done anything since.
mircea_popescu: the usdwolla thing is not news in any sense anyway.
danielpbarron: << if anyone wants to make an "adult" pogo, i have some instructions documented here
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: neato. could use some asciiart
danielpbarron: what kind? you mean diagrams? or just a fancy header?
asciilifeform: diagram
danielpbarron: hrm.. i'll see what i can come up with (warning, might be ugly!)
danielpbarron: in the meantime i reference .jpeg images of the most important things to see
asciilifeform: emacs 'artist-mode' helps
asciilifeform: jurov: any idea why turdatron hiccupped the way it did? curious thing
mircea_popescu: When I say, "Read the source," I mean, read Satoshi.
mircea_popescu: ahahaha epic,
danielpbarron: I have never seen, let alone used, emacs
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: fortunately, should you wish to see emacs, there is no need to cross the equator and make your way through the jaguars to the ocelots
asciilifeform: 'I've never sailed the Amazon, / And I've never reached Brazil; / But the Don and Magdelana, / They can go there when they will!'
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pete_dushenski: ^so much for my 'free health club membership'
pete_dushenski: dat waterfall played spoiler on my bullish cockiness
trinque: +mircea_popescu | <trinque> << there be deeds << cool. why are some repeated ? << test values; I published bundles with the same messages a few times while working
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trinque: I'll clear out what's currently uploaded when I have deedbot join
trinque goes back to sleep
pete_dushenski: danielpbarron nice work on the adult pogo guide!
pete_dushenski wonders if he'll ever be an adult by this measure
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Congrats on setting yourself up to meet "Artist Mode"
pete_dushenski: random lady on twitter: "Pete I had money taken out of my bitcoin wallet (block chain) on 2014-09-16 Can you tell me where to go for help?"
pete_dushenski: me: "Help? What help? This is Bitcoin."
mike_c: pete_dushenski: kudos for posting the follow up on that :)
mike_c: I was wondering how that ended up.
BingoBoingo was expecting it last month, Waterfall wasn't as strong as my gut feared.
mike_c: omg that dilbert cartoon :D where's my favorite TA when i need him
mike_c: ;;seen thickasthieves
gribble: thickasthieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 16 weeks, 3 days, 1 hour, 53 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <ThickAsThieves> but you da boss
mike_c: "you should buy a stock whenver the chart looks like a squirrel sitting on a clown's shoulder"
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pete_dushenski: mike_c lol my pleasure :D
pete_dushenski: dilbert's been on a roll with this pointy-haired investment advice series
assbot: Wealth Destroyers | George Monbiot ... ( )
pete_dushenski: where have i seen monbiot's name before ?
pete_dushenski: !s monbiot
assbot: 0 results for 'monbiot' :
mats: do you read the guardian often?
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assbot: The welfare dependants the government loves? Rich landowners | George Monbiot | Comment is free | The Guardian ... ( )
thestringpuller: so i'm on an All Hands call for the marketing department
thestringpuller: if I was plaiyng the "take a shot when buzzword is used" drinking game
thestringpuller: i'd be drunk by now
fluffypony: cloud!
lobbes: 'x as a service'
mircea_popescu: that cap agricultural benefits thing is uniquely misguided.
mircea_popescu: "rich" does not mean what the poor imagine it means. the notion of running a farm on 26k subsidies a year... heh.
mircea_popescu: here's the thing : just because inflation has made every pauper think he holds money doesn't change the fact that a farmer today is worth a hundred million just by simply maintaining equality with a farmer of relatively the same social importance back in 1615.
BingoBoingo: Or they've surrendered in some cases to being a form of sharecropper. Depends on what and where they farm as well as how daddy ran the business
mircea_popescu: james smith's farm fed five hundred people in 1615. these aren't "500 out of the total pop of 5mn" for the same reason discussed in the thread about "average life expectancy"
mircea_popescu: most of those 5mn picked rags in london.
mircea_popescu: keeping the same *proportions* that farm's easily running deficits of millions today, for the reasons explained in
assbot: The corn thing pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
mircea_popescu: if the chem lobby seriously wants to strangle the pretty farm girl, that's one thing. but framing that discussion in terms of "rich" is about as helpful as proposing beer is better than wine because it bubbles.
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BingoBoingo: << Headquarts is large steel and glass building many miles from any place charitably labeled a "town" One farmer many sharecroppers
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pete_dushenski: asciilifeform -watch stoned << lol!
thestringpuller: ;;goog in which you become corn
gribble: Error: "goog" is not a valid command.
thestringpuller: ;;google in which you become corn
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chetty: As promised, President Obama is using executive actions to impose gun control on the nation, targeting the top-selling rifle in the country, the AR-15 style semi-automatic, with a ban on one of the most-used AR bullets by sportsmen and target shooters.
asciilifeform: chetty: link ?
assbot: Obama to ban bullets by executive action, threatens top-selling AR-15 rifle | ... ( )
BingoBoingo: Oh, now I'm syncing blocks from when I started sync'ing
assbot: ATF Aims to Ban Popular AR-15 Ammo — The Patriot Post ... ( )
BingoBoingo: "Comments period" ends March 16th
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: can't find the article which talks about kids in US being analagous to growing corn
thestringpuller: circa 2013
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asciilifeform: 'There is just one set of rules that are effective and widely deployed: those that enforce the destruction of the natural world. Buried in the cross-compliance regulations is a measure called GAEC 12. This insists that, to receive their money, farmers must prevent "unwanted vegetation" from growing on their land. (The rest of us call it wildlife habitat.) Even if their land is producing nothing, they must cut, graze or spray i
asciilifeform: t with herbicides to get their money. Unlike soil erosion, compaction and pollution, breaches of this rule are easy to detect and enforce: if the inspectors see trees returning to the land, the subsidy can be cut off altogether.'
BingoBoingo: "But M855 has well-documented shortcomings against soft targets (see Somalia, Iraq, etc.) The other common loading, M193, is more effective against soft targets. So the side effect of this ruling would be that more AR-15 owners would buy rounds that are more effective in the typical domestic shooting. The only people this rule change protects is the government, whose varmints wear Kevlar."
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2015 18:26:21; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: destroying the "industrial" paradigm << expand on this. recall also the thread where we discussed how pashtun blacksmiths can make kalash, yes they can, not not one of them can make a single 7.62x39 round from brass scrap
assbot: In which you become grain pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Seems to be much like that
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it was clear to anyone who gives a fuck that usg would target ammunition, rather than small arms per se, when it 'gets serious'
thestringpuller: grain not corn. thanks mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it is possible, with current tech, to recycle shells in jungle conditions, but not to produce them, or primers, or bullet adequate for modern rifle
BingoBoingo: "Reloading" cases fine, powders common... engineered primers and bullets far less so
mircea_popescu: the "3d printed" guns were obviously going to push towards regulation of bullets.
mircea_popescu: all these kids hoping that some sort of magical "tech" is going to get them into the girl's panties were very poorly parented. apparently nobody told them any of the numerous genie stories.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for some odd reason, the plumping shop 'guns' popular since '50s - didn't
mircea_popescu: "you don't refine your query, numbnuts. you BECOME the genie."
BingoBoingo: More mundane calibers (revolvers, mundane stuff) cast lead bullets are still fine
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo not if you want to cause actual damage
mircea_popescu: where's that matasareanu article...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: may as well suggest arbalest
asciilifeform: ^ works quite well against unadorned kevlar, one might add
assbot: Strategii in lupta antisociala pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
mircea_popescu: i suppose i should translate this huh..
BingoBoingo: Just Kalash and stoner rifle require "cleaner" bullets.
mircea_popescu: brb translating
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: anything that semi/auto cycles needs modern shell, to ~.1mm tolerance or so
asciilifeform: that or 'caseless' strange (never, afaik, really perfected, despite ocean of money)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Right. Also with Stoner rifle, Gas fouling is a problem with unplated bullets.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> that or 'caseless' strange (never, afaik, really perfected, despite ocean of money) << Olin Brass can has lobbyist too
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: gas fouling << don't build rifles that 'shit where they eat' - problem solved
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: as far as i understand, usg's refusal to adopt the correct solution, the gas piston, was pure nationalistic lunacy and little else
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, guy who came up with USG's currrent rifle prototype did so during time when USia discovered the wonders of hallucinogenics
thestringpuller: ^- that was a good time
BingoBoingo: Eugene Stoner was probably a stoner, if not occasional enthusiast of more interesting chemicals back then
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not based on ww2 'garand' ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not the M-16 Based on "AR-10" M1 Garand inspired M-14 (still in limited recycled use)
BingoBoingo: Maybe Garand might have had something to do with the mouth shitting trend though.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i've always wondered why internal mechanicals (trigger mechanisms, bolt, receiver) aren't chromium plated as modern (post '44 or so) barrels are
BingoBoingo: "Wear Item"
jurov: hi asciilifeform, if you still want dedi server for bitcoins, around ~$50 , we can do hetzner
asciilifeform: and barrel isn't ?!
BingoBoingo: Of course it is too. Just hard to pay contractor for parts that don't deplete frequently enough.
asciilifeform: jurov: neat. i'll consider it
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: but there is almost certainly a sound physical reason, because same was true on ru side
asciilifeform: i simply don't happen to know what it is
jurov: i need to know what is the priority, CPU or RAM or SSD is a must?
asciilifeform: jurov: cpu, then ram, then disk (not necessarily ssd, but at least mirrored mechanical)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That is a point
asciilifeform: 'you need to go fuck yourself in the arsehole with a nice red hot iron dildo. I think that ought to improve your minuscule intellect.' -- from today's fan mail
kakobrekla: hetzner takes bitcoin ?
jurov: kakobrekla: no I take it
kakobrekla: if you are converting there are cheaper options than hetzner
jurov: even cheaper than their auction?
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kakobrekla: although cheapest ssd option , hetzner might be better
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asciilifeform: thing is, the requirements are somewhat peculiar (minimal bandwidth, max cpu/ram, minimal disk)
kakobrekla: you want ssd ?
asciilifeform: not necessarily
asciilifeform: phuctor is 99% cpu-bound
kakobrekla: ah i thought we were talking bitcoind sync test or some such
kakobrekla: anyway, i gave you the links, your call entirely
asciilifeform: ty kakobrekla, jurov
asciilifeform: i'll suggest it to mircea_popescu once s.nsa has revenue
asciilifeform: (presently phuctor is paid for by yours truly, pro bono)
kakobrekla: if you have a really lightweight worker client i can give you some cores
asciilifeform: because usd is a renewable resource
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: i want the whole thing on one box because i haven't the time or inclination to play sysadmin
jurov: these other offers have considerable slower cpu than can be auctioned in hetzner at same price
kakobrekla: for 30 eur you get shit
kakobrekla: on hetzner
jurov: Intel Core i7-3770 is shit?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89924 @ 0.00040552 = 36.466 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: that is 31!
jurov rolls eyes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52162 @ 0.00040808 = 21.2863 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm guessing that fan didn't see your extant writings on the topic? Or perhaps wasn't a spamateur and had?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: another butthurt 'clojure' user
BingoBoingo: Ah, so still spamateur
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107182 @ 0.00039266 = 42.0861 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: asciilifeform: so either that i7-3770 or Xeon E3-1245V2 with ECC RAM for 7 euros more
asciilifeform: jurov: neato. hopefully this will still exist by the time it is needed
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: 'clojure' << lol how'd you get that level of hatred up?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ancient post still magnet for emotional crud
ben_vulpes: dang.
jurov: asciilifeform i was thinking you want to move phuctor sooner but ok :)
asciilifeform: jurov: can't recommend a large, recurring btc expense for s.nsa until revenue >0, and can't picture mircea_popescu liking the idea much either
jurov: it's not very large, but i understand
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103353 @ 0.00039096 = 40.4069 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: jurov: unless i misunderstand, it is potentially unbound - tied to eu exchange rate
jurov: that yes, but can be subject to agreement.
assbot: Strategy for the antisocial struggle. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
mircea_popescu: here we go.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> -- from today's fan mail << what was that for lol
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ancient post,
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asciilifeform: continues to stimulate the easily-stimulated, etc
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> jurov: can't recommend a large, recurring btc expense << fiddy bux isn't large yo.
asciilifeform: see above
mircea_popescu: so if it goes to shit it gets cancelled i guess.
asciilifeform: aha see but my fiddy-us doesn't have to be cancelled
mircea_popescu: << this guy's fucking hot, srsly now.
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jurov: dunno, not my type
asciilifeform: 'If the police doesn't show up, off you go to your business. If the police does show up, butcher the civillians.' << already sop, palestine, etc. - just minus the bank part
mircea_popescu: everywhere where people are winning.
asciilifeform: (suicide bomber doesn't need money. at least, not especially much of it.)
ben_vulpes: "who am i with my white cis-gendered privilege to pass judgement on such a masterpiece?"
mircea_popescu: jurov more for me.
jurov: :)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in usa, bank happily hands robber a bag of money with small mine inside
asciilifeform: this is sop for a generation now
mircea_popescu: luckily it comes with meatshield.
asciilifeform: for some reason hardly any ever bother to defuse the mine, even though its design is published quite openly in the patent (yes)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58938 @ 0.00040524 = 23.884 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: other observation, of course, is that $maxint in stolen cash doesn't really deprive the bank of anything - more is printed, delivered next day
ben_vulpes: "FDIC Insurance"
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i doubt they bother with the paperwork
asciilifeform: or public notices
asciilifeform: it just... happens
asciilifeform: recall mircea_popescu's article re: the petadollars' worth of precious paper that got 'thermonuked' in the new york flood ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Aha! You aren't so anti-drug after all!!!
assbot: Cadeti afara (doi) pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
asciilifeform: who noticed it?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19612 @ 0.00040902 = 8.0217 BTC [+]
assbot: Your Cellphone Is A Tracking Device That Relays Your Conversations In Plaintext | ... ( )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'reop' proggy appears to use usgoogle's crypto turdlib
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, I offered the caveat of redone entirely.
asciilifeform: incidentally, is somebody here interested in attempting a surgical replacement of 'openssl' in bitcoind 0.5.3 with 'micro-ecc' ?
assbot: kmackay/micro-ecc · GitHub ... ( )
thestringpuller: is surgical even possible?
asciilifeform: or does it also have to wait until i'm cloned ten times and can finally do everything
thestringpuller: this is more of a frankentstein operation
BingoBoingo: as far as user interface and "armored text block" goes, looks about right reop looks about right. Just needs to dump the part where done in go and depends on external google library
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: 1) it does the basic maths 2) brief enough to be humanly readable with some effort
BingoBoingo: Suffice to say reop is still a toy, but one that apes proper function better than moxenslit's toy
asciilifeform: other than that, i cannot comment on the quality
asciilifeform: (was speaking here of 'micro-ecc')
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: the process of removing openssl from bitcoind seems like that operation Tony Stark underwent.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i'm cloned ten times << Do you think you'd work well, with yourself? Hopefully it's not like that Dexter's Lab episode.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16314 @ 0.00040902 = 6.6728 BTC [+] {3}
asciilifeform: put'em on separate continents.
asciilifeform: << ends up ~half again as long if you snip out the ifdefs for unreasonably small (8, 16-bit) machines
assbot: micro-ecc/uECC.c at master · kmackay/micro-ecc · GitHub ... ( )
asciilifeform: do any of you feel up to the task of ada-izing this ?
asciilifeform: until this happens, we're playing 'underhanded c contest'
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> put'em on separate continents. << Hard part is not cloning the hardware. It is cloning the history and software.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: we're talking about the classical fictional clones, naturally, rather than the boring younger twin brother kind
mats: asciilifeform: i may be able to wrangle some time on a cluster if you're interested in doing a batch job
mats: would be a good stop-gap until jurov gets going
asciilifeform: mats: i am specifically not interested in shuttling crud back & forth
asciilifeform: have plenty of cpu here at home
asciilifeform: but want to push button and forget again.
mats: ok
punkman: asciilifeform: I wonder how much extra code we'll need to make microecc (or whatever else) parse/verify all the different crap already in blockchain
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asciilifeform: punkman: that is clearly part of the puzzle
punkman: I'd be interested in learning Ada (or other language), but damn that's some gnarly syntax
BingoBoingo has build against LibreSSL 2.0 syncing, 9 days of history left, no wedge blocks
asciilifeform: punkman: get the 'rationale' book. every piece of 'gnarl' is justified, and the justification reads like your local fire code - every line is likely there because of a corpse
punkman: I don't think we have fire code :P
punkman: asciilifeform: should I be looking at ada 2012 flavour?
asciilifeform: punkman: 2005 or better yet 95
asciilifeform: none of the post-95 features are likely to be usable on a bare-metal build
asciilifeform: (they require the runtime libs)
asciilifeform: while the original 1983 standard had warts that were fixed in 95
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thestringpuller: asciilifeform: because of a corpse << reminds me of this tv show Venture Bros. First episode this henchman named Speedy was brutally killed by super body guard (Brock Samson). So in subsequent episodes the veteran henchman are like "So, lemme tell you about a story about a henchman named Speedy."
thestringpuller: "All fun and games until someone dies?" or something like that.
asciilifeform: << ben_vulpes, mod6, jurov, mircea_popescu, et al
ben_vulpes: you're running some interesting experiments, asciilifeform.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: that was about 10 minutes' work, and if you notice - didn't lead to a usable result
asciilifeform: but posted it in case somebody takes an interest in the concept
ben_vulpes read, noticed.
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assbot: Missouri Auditor and governor candidate Tom Schweich has died : News ... ( )
BingoBoingo: "His death was confirmed by his office early Thursday afternoon, just hours after Schweich had requested an interview with reporters for the Post-Dispatch and the Associated Press at his Clayton home later in the day."
assbot: Logged on 18-11-2014 01:12:16; asciilifeform: at this point, quite a few people will not believe, e.g., the camps, even when they end up inside.
assbot: Logged on 18-11-2014 01:12:37; asciilifeform: it will be a 'temporary relocation center' to them, even when the shower heads start hissing out the zyklon.
asciilifeform: quite a few folks who ought to know better make monkey noises when i/anyone speak of 'shadow state' and lizardhitler
asciilifeform: what, i wonder, goes through their heads when the nailgun fires and their gut is stapled to their chair ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: consider writing up for qntra ?
chetty: <asciilifeform> what, i wonder, goes through their heads when the nailgun fires and their gut is stapled to their chair ?// they still dont believe
BingoBoingo: I'm considering it.
BingoBoingo: Schweich was notorious for breaking up all kinds of small bezzels in his first terms as State Auditor, announced candidacy for governor a few weeks ago, would have probably won. Then last night panicked phone calls and forever silence.
mike_c: ? that doesn't say nailgun
asciilifeform: mike_c: the actual type of small arm used is unimportant
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Once again escalation
BingoBoingo: !up B0g4r7
mike_c: well, sort of unimportant. it is stylish when they actually use a nailgun
asciilifeform: mike_c: 'nailgun' in this context is the proverbial 'convenient suicide' of someone who 'needed to have problems'
asciilifeform: that is, someone who created problems for usg
asciilifeform: and wouldn't turn asset when asked nicely
asciilifeform: (or, alternatively, needed to be taken off the gameboard in an unusual hurry)
BingoBoingo: Schweich had actually in past careers been a well labeled and prominent "asset" of things
asciilifeform: because, possibly, found to have been planning some action to which there is no convenient, clean usg response.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the most 'instructive' deaths are usually reserved for 'former assets'
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punkman: asciilifeform: but why shadowstate and not private concern?
asciilifeform: punkman: the distinction is meaningless
BingoBoingo: Pretense of credibility was likely established with "negative campaign ad" run beginning yesterday by local kook who presented no credible chance at winning the office
asciilifeform: punkman: much of what i call usg consists, on paper, of 'private' concerns
asciilifeform: e.g. microsoft
asciilifeform: incidentally, lies are much cheaper than bullets
asciilifeform: unless you know that schmuck personally, don't blithely assume that he died in his house (conveniently pictured in article) or that his wife is still alive, etc
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: assume that he died << you mean like faking his death?
thestringpuller: as it stands this is probably best way to disappear completely without actual death.
asciilifeform: for all we know, he's sitting on an anthill right now somewhere at 'the farm' (look it up), writhing on camera for showing to future 'candidates'
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Nah, the in his house part
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: nope
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: oh you're saying they staged his death and now he's prisoner until actual death?
asciilifeform: again no.
asciilifeform: or rather, not necessarily
asciilifeform: merely suggesting that an official statement from usg has the same credibility as the testimony of a habitual mugger who's been in and out of jails since he was 8 y.o., given upon apprehension at 4am in an alley
BingoBoingo: !up gabriel_laddel
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asciilifeform: ^ aha the 'inner emigration' folks
gabriel_laddel: The very same. Lovely music, this.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: alternate explanation, he came home to a spread of kiddie porn and toilet tank cocaine tagged with a note stating there was a "kinder" way out.
thestringpuller: what do you know about iptables?
PeterL: BingoBoingo: article mentions he was on the phone just before shot was heard, perhaps agent was explaining how he would find those things tomorrow unless
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Why not just use pf
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37331 @ 0.000436 = 16.2763 BTC [+] {3}
thestringpuller: PeterL: this is why there are no patriots anymore.
thestringpuller: How can you be a patriot if your own country will back stab you?
gabriel_laddel: ;; site: "America isn't a people"
gribble: Error: "site:" is not a valid command.
gabriel_laddel: ;; google site: "America isn't a people"
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asciilifeform: what's a german patriot in '45.
gabriel_laddel: eh, not what I wanted, and I don't care to find the article. In any case, what is 'your country' anyway?
PeterL: asciilifeform: the ones trying to assasinate Hitler?
thestringpuller: gabriel_laddel: this is a good country. in a world where a country betrays their soldiers, what do those soldiers do?
thestringpuller: this is a good point*
gabriel_laddel: !s ethnic war is just like regular war except that the uniforms are glued on
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BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: You want the hotel article
assbot: Logged on 21-08-2014 03:24:30; asciilifeform: most russians in chechnya, pre-collapse, weren't instinctively afraid of their neighbours either.
gabriel_laddel: "time travel hitler" lolol
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: I was looking for an article with photos from MP touring the US where he comments something to effect of "the US is fucked, it is a collection of people who have nothing in common". In any case, the hotel article should suffice.
assbot: Logged on 09-02-2015 20:23:01; asciilifeform: x sucks and no competition
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: Fire in Alabama
asciilifeform: mats: nope
asciilifeform: mats: for one thing, it it can't be piped over ip, it isn't a substitute for x
asciilifeform: i don't care what the fuck else it does.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu, maybe a poster campaign with a bit of cheekiness this time
asciilifeform: and fuck the 'desktop unix!!111!!!111' people with red hot dildo.
asciilifeform: i -use- the functionality they don't see a purpose for.
nubbins`: cheap/colorful paper, super intense colors, very bold graphics
asciilifeform: and so do other thinking folks.
nubbins`: all about the utter failings/piece-of-shittedness of the phoundation
nubbins`: offer it as "mystery poster" for the cost of s&h
PeterL: asciilifeform: which functionality are they trying to remove?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27617 @ 0.00042741 = 11.8038 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: lucky recipient opens tube, out falls a half dozen cheap posters he can keep/paste/sell/give away
asciilifeform: PeterL: most 'alternatives for x11' dispense with the everything-can-be-piped-over-tcp
asciilifeform: in favour of either nothing or winblows-style whole-display 'remote desktop' bullshit
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asciilifeform: i actually know of no exception to this
asciilifeform: if anyone does, please link.
nubbins`: well. either mapping the phailings of the phoundation (someone with knowledge of recent "vote" should chime in here) or the virtues of the .foundation
asciilifeform: fact is, i can run a graphical proggy on machine at other side of my house, or other side of the planet, and have the output - regardless of where in my display devices i shove it - look -exactly- the same as if it were local
asciilifeform: and nowhere else.
asciilifeform: and what's more, because bitmaps aren't much flowing over the wire, it'll be usably fast.
asciilifeform: how this strikes anyone as an optional frill, is beyond me
asciilifeform: but count me 100% in favour of mircea_popescu's proposal to get these idiots off computers and preferably - eventually - off the electric grid likewise.
asciilifeform: because they don't belong living with people.
asciilifeform: not that x11 has no warts
asciilifeform: but afaik, none of the extant 'alternatives' is an actual alternative.
BingoBoingo: scoopbot -fetch
asciilifeform: ^ neato
assbot: BitGo Offers Insurance The FDIC Way | ... ( )
assbot: Missouri State Auditor Dies of Gunshot Wound | ... ( )
mircea_popescu: "BitGo is the only company in the industry we trust to secure our hot wallet. The integration was very straightforward, and now I can sleep better at night knowing that my customers' holdings are secured with BitGo."
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: cache original article!
mircea_popescu: it'd have been a lot more helpful if instead of empty boasts and declarative statements they just explained the math.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: before it's gone.
mircea_popescu: how exactly is the api working ? gpg ?
thestringpuller: PeterL: scoopbot malfunction.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: no some toy crypto
PeterL: yeah, I see, working on it, bleh
thestringpuller: don't open unless you want to take your IQ down a bit
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo New Reno: Accepted.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Saved
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i meant, save & mirrorlink
thestringpuller: "Almost all BitGo API interfaces require authentication. This begins with a username/password at the Login Endpoint and requires 2-factor authentication via Authy or your mobile phone (set up via the BitGo website)."
asciilifeform: statically link!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Working on the second part
mircea_popescu: ffs, i can sleep safer at night knowing that usagi v2.0 is offering derpsurance.
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2015 19:15:09; asciilifeform: incidentally, is somebody here interested in attempting a surgical replacement of 'openssl' in bitcoind 0.5.3 with 'micro-ecc' ?
mircea_popescu: it's worth doing on a test network just to count subtle bugs.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not 'testnet' but deterministic sync from single node (neither on public net)
asciilifeform: if ends up with bitwise identical blockchain on disk (minus time data) then quite likely correct.
asciilifeform: (if you're waiting for someone to mathematically prove equivalence, you'll be waiting a long time)
thestringpuller: << srsly enc/dec via Javascript in browser?!?!?
thestringpuller: or node.js?!?
mircea_popescu: you're stuck with that. how do you think the original fork happened.
asciilifeform: stuck with what ?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: are you talking about the berkleydb thing?
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Original block 168000 fork no one knew about
asciilifeform: fact is, 'hey hey ho ho' openssl 'has got to go'
asciilifeform: one way or other.
asciilifeform: fully algorithmic statement of bitcoin cannot have 'and a turd goes here'
asciilifeform: it should ask for only a tcp stack and a place to park bytes in some nonvolatile way
punkman: even openssl can't confirm all it's own signatures
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform stuck with math proven equivalence.
mircea_popescu: well, no, but the openssl code as-was.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: somebody would have to cough up a mathematicized model of 'c' and stdlib + rest of the spittoon
asciilifeform: don't expect it to happen this side of the next millenium
mircea_popescu: the problem with the "if it valdiates the previous chain is good enough" approach is its very pure gavinderpitude.
mircea_popescu: ie, "we imagine ourselves the owners of a distributed project"
asciilifeform: certainly can't consist just of that
asciilifeform: you need mathematical proof
asciilifeform: but of internal consistency
asciilifeform: rather than bug-for-bug equivalence to the turd
PeterL: what happens if we remove a bug and it no longer syncs?
asciilifeform: PeterL: depends what kind of bug
asciilifeform: if it was an exploitable bug, old chain is a dead man walking
asciilifeform: if non exploitable, then 'it ain't a bug, it's a feature'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'd suggest, in characteristic crackpottery, to have the two ecdsa modules operate in tandem.
asciilifeform: in separate address spaces.
asciilifeform: until such a day as folks with 'skin in game' no longer think it necessary.
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BingoBoingo first heard this news on the radio while retreiving 1/5th of vodka from liquor retailor
punkman: BingoBoingo: .zip link is wrong
BingoBoingo: punkman: fxd nao
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform righjt, kinda what i meant by runninmg it on testnet to see
nubbins`: 1/5th of what of vodka
nubbins`: and what is the unit you're about to use in real units
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: 1/5th is its own unit of measure for packaged liquor
nubbins`: okay, but...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i meant actual tandem, as in 'every sig ever checked/generated from both interfaces, and all the world's bells will surely ring if the answer ever differs'
nubbins`: vol*5 = ?
nubbins`: oh, a gallon.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo nice move linking the local site. should be standing policy : all news is local news, always eschew the aggregators, from reuters to gawker, in favour of the source.
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: 750 ml, so 5 of those would be a gallon if liters were quarts
mircea_popescu: << imagine the thing go wrong and alf becoming four alfettes.
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2015 19:22:44; BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> put'em on separate continents. << Hard part is not cloning the hardware. It is cloning the history and software.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, was local enough news that I knew local source
mircea_popescu: all vying for supremacy and the hand in marriage of the one true alf
mircea_popescu: ww3 and a decentscifi premise right there.
nubbins`: BingoBoingo we call this size bottle a "twenty-sixer"
nubbins`: on account of it being 750mL in volume
jurov: ;;ticker
danielpbarron: "I just drank of fifth of vodka; dare me to drive?" --Eminem
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 236.57, Best ask: 236.9, Bid-ask spread: 0.33000, Last trade: 236.89, 24 hour volume: 5325.74561124, 24 hour low: 234.01, 24 hour high: 238.55, 24 hour vwap: 236.609743047
nubbins`: "oh god, please let me die beneath her fists" -- nick cave
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ecdsa << this is gonna go just like the christian scriptural translations thing, isnnit
asciilifeform: (aramaic, greek, latin, vulgar tongues... coexisting uneasily)
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: ecdsa << this is gonna go just like the christian scriptural translations thing, isnnit << Yes, and no curves can have identifiers which are too stand out, especially if they are useful at all
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is actually the reason why my first suggestion was to merely rip out the relevant parts of openssl (pick a version) so as the build ends up - 1) self-contained 2) bitwise identical binary
asciilifeform: rip out and roll in, that is
nubbins`: asciilifeform: ...rubes misquoting poor translations as literal truths...
asciilifeform: bitwise-identical doesn't need a mathematician to prove... just a copy of 'diff'
PeterL: asciilifeform: sort of making a static fork of the library with only the parts used by bitcoind?
asciilifeform: PeterL: right
BingoBoingo: 5 days of history left to sync
asciilifeform: nubbins`: mircea_popescu takes a 'sapper errs once' attitude to bitcoin compatibility, for reasons which should need no explanation
asciilifeform: see his article re: how 'no one alive has the authority to create a fork, deliberate or otherwise' (don't have link handy)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> nubbins`: mircea_popescu takes a 'sapper errs once' attitude to bitcoin compatibility, for reasons which should need no explanation << Kinda why my -qt OpenBSD experiment is vaguely described in blog post. If I hit a grendade do not want others suffering same one
BingoBoingo: Also my porting effort consisted on delete, ctrl-c, and ctrl-v and watching compiler errors
nubbins`: we call this "test driven development"
BingoBoingo: Well, I also read the previous porting efforts
asciilifeform: the thing is, eventually this 0.5.3 thing is going to have to, like or not, -add- vs merely remove
asciilifeform: if only to fix obvious and intolerable flaws like the orphans leak
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite substantially the same thing yes
nubbins`: BingoBoingo, cazalla much work involved in collating a list -- say 10-20 items -- of the phoundation's biggest boondoggles/fuckups/skeletons/whatever?
nubbins`: things that shine the light, as it were
nubbins`: i feel like one of you guys would be in the know
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Why don't you give it a whirl
mircea_popescu: nubbins` sounds like a fine way to begin your qntra career.
punkman: some useful scripts for archiving links and Firefox URL history in particular
assbot: Archiving URLs - ... ( )
nubbins`: it's actually a fine way to dig in on this poster project, but i don't have the time or the inclination to dig through years of phoundation phollies
BingoBoingo doesn't run a firefox with a concept of "history"
asciilifeform: with regards to 0.5.3, i was expecting to see some technical discussion re: total rework of the blockchain sync mechanism and its idiocies, but this didn't happen
thestringpuller: danielpbarron listens to eminem?!?
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Thing of it as argueing against a laser dude
nubbins`: heh.
thestringpuller: my name is...
asciilifeform: evidently, no one has the time or inclination
nubbins`: asciilifeform no kidding
asciilifeform: (rather -and-)
nubbins`: i've got the time and inclination to illustrate and print the things
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> with regards to 0.5.3, i was expecting to see some technical discussion re: total rework of the blockchain sync mechanism and its idiocies, but this didn't happen << "Numbers Station"
nubbins`: so if someone's looking for a chance to make it matter, maybe earn yourself some trust (i'm looking at you, everyone without +v), this might be an opportunity
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: no, actual technical discussion
asciilifeform: or better yet, code
asciilifeform: or at the very least review the backport
danielpbarron: thestringpuller> danielpbarron listens to eminem?!? << I used to; my mom once lectured me on how terrible it was -- she now loves the guy and can sing along to most of his songs (very strange to behold)
nubbins` pictures own mother softly singing "you don't want to fuck with shady, 'cause shady will fucking kill you" while wiping countertops
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform will take time.
danielpbarron: that's not even bad; he says way worse things
mircea_popescu: dun rush things, foundation snipped thing isn't even stable yet.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14050 @ 0.00043921 = 6.1709 BTC [+]
punkman: I'm waiting for that x86 static build recipe, or was it posted somewhere already?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Then last night panicked phone calls and forever silence. << i don't get these people. nismann (argentine da, shot by state because threatening to put president in jail) was the same way : spent his crucial night before the great day ALONE ?!?!?!
asciilifeform: punkman: mod6 posted iirc
mircea_popescu: dude, that's not what you do. what you do is, you go to the biggest restaurant in town and start buying people drinks and lunches.
mircea_popescu: you spend a year's salary on throwing the biggest party ever.
mircea_popescu: but no, geeks gotta geek out.
nubbins`: "after a night of partying, nismann was found dead, apparently having choked to death on his own vomit"
BingoBoingo planning to find OBSD rentaboxen in the 1-3 month timeline to play with build and sync of foundation thing.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what thing. the one that leaks memory? why waste -any- time on it?
mircea_popescu: yeah right.
asciilifeform: not that backport should be used as is! but why piss away time on a turd ?
mircea_popescu: nobody forces you to drink.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The orphanage burning version, see if stable.
asciilifeform: also waste
nubbins`: mircea_popescu nope but everybody encourages you to
asciilifeform: must -understand- code and write sane version
nubbins` searches for list of famous people dead by alcohol poisoning
BingoBoingo: See what fuckery happens on different *nixen document
mircea_popescu: nubbins` yeah well if you're about to take down the president but can't resist a little social pressure...
nubbins`: mircea_popescu i'm not saying he says "fuck it, 20th shot in a row", i'm saying he wakes up dead with a mouth fulla foam instead of a bullet in his head or w/e
nubbins`: or is he gonna pull an all-nighter? 8)
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mircea_popescu: nubbins` in public ?
nubbins`: whoosh
nubbins`: he's sleeping in the restaurant now?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> nubbins` in public ? << Plenty of people in a bar have been slipped mickeys
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35750 @ 0.00043964 = 15.7171 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ehh, it's relaxing.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: gotta love how 'force everyone to buy crippleware' is listed as an 'option'
mircea_popescu: punkman: asciilifeform: but why shadowstate and not private concern? <<< a shadow state is by definition a private concern.
asciilifeform accustomed to perverse usg use of word 'private' rather than the dictionary meaning
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2015 20:54:13; asciilifeform: merely suggesting that an official statement from usg has the same credibility as the testimony of a habitual mugger who's been in and out of jails since he was 8 y.o., given upon apprehension at 4am in an alley
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> must -understand- code and write sane version << My limit for the forseeable future is maybe spot errors.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as in, "private svejk" ?
asciilifeform: as in 'microshit is private industry'
BingoBoingo: Back to srs commentary on news... Schweich had primary and general election in the bag >>
assbot: Schweich sent an open letter encouraging gubernatorial run - The Missouri Times ... ( )
BingoBoingo: In spite of being emaciated birdnose guy
danielpbarron: i got accused of being "tea party" for tweeting qntra article re: ^
assbot: Most wrong and absolutely wrongest pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
danielpbarron: the guy shut up really fast when i asked for his real name with the hashtag #FeelingLitigious
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2015 20:56:41; BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: alternate explanation, he came home to a spread of kiddie porn and toilet tank cocaine tagged with a note stating there was a "kinder" way out.
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: His one primary opponent as of yesterday was marginal "christian 1st" tea party kook of marginal interest
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: qntra is the news. We maintain credibility by putting that shit in the log now to link later. 5 months old... still toddling
asciilifeform: 'and then he came home to find his family packed into a gasenwagen, and himself on a train to auschwitz, where he caught typhus in a week.' 'dude i'd so totally blog all that'
BingoBoingo: Also there is a prominent prolly unrelated missouri politician name...
BingoBoingo: ;;google peter kinder
gribble: Peter Kinder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Home | Missouri Lieutenant Governor Peter Kinder Official Web Site: <>; Peter Kinder (@PeterKinder) | Twitter: <>
assbot: xkcd: Canada ... ( )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yup.
mircea_popescu: i've never had typhus. have you ?
asciilifeform: haven't gotten around to it yet
asciilifeform: 'and when we had nothing remaining to eat, they gave us a turnip, they gave us a beet. "here, have some mice, have some fleas! here, have some typhus! die of disease!"' - warsaw ghetto
BingoBoingo: !s doormouse
assbot: 5 results for 'doormouse' :
mircea_popescu: tbh, i kinda look forward to being forcibly relieved of all sortsa responsibilities.
asciilifeform: lol wut
asciilifeform: 'For the fact is that being inside a whale is a very comfortable, cosy, homelike thought. The historical Jonah, if he can be so called, was glad enough to escape, but in imagination, in day-dream, countless people have envied him. It is, of course, quite obvious why. The whale's belly is simply a womb big enough for an adult. There you are, in the dark, cushioned space that exactly fits you, with yards of blubber between yours
asciilifeform: elf and reality, able to keep up an attitude of the completest indifference, no matter what happens. A storm that would sink all the battleships in the world would hardly reach you as an echo. Even the whale's own movements would probably be imperceptible to you. He might be wallowing among the surface waves or shooting down into the blackness of the middle seas (a mile deep, according to Herman Melville), but you would never
asciilifeform: notice the difference. Short of being dead, it is the final, unsurpassable stage of irresponsibility.' (orwell's whale)
asciilifeform: ^ that ?
BingoBoingo: !s mazes
assbot: 2 results for 'mazes' :
BingoBoingo: << The most alive I've felt recently was during a maintenance hallucination
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2015 09:30:13; BingoBoingo: There were mazes, girls, low speed chases, shootouts, and orgies of celebration... Basically I dream in action movies
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81550 @ 0.00044186 = 36.0337 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah. more like nostalgia for an earlier, simpler, matasareanu-er time.
asciilifeform would happily sign under that
thestringpuller: if you poop in your dreams you poop for real
asciilifeform: what's a maintenance hallucination anyway ?
BingoBoingo: Let's stop calling them dreams, tht word has been abused to death. Children "dream" of world peace. Real men have maintenance hallucinations
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: REM sleep, particularly memorable bouts thereof
asciilifeform: ru and other sane langs have separate words for the 'dreams of world peace' and the kind you have asleep
asciilifeform: learn one.
asciilifeform: problem phixed.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform has it.
mircea_popescu: the actual us hitler (the nigger, whatever his name was, king something, the million brown MEN march on the capitol guy)'s thing is hilarious translated in romanian.
mircea_popescu: "am un vis". well... so go to bed then ?
BingoBoingo: lol, mlk jr/rev/doc
BingoBoingo: Block 344666 sync'd
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2015 21:07:24; nubbins`: mircea_popescu, maybe a poster campaign with a bit of cheekiness this time
nubbins`: well, the last one was sort of a "look at this neat thing" approach
nubbins`: next one: "look at these people doing it wrong"
mircea_popescu: about 300 years worth of experience with printing show that negative pamphlets only work in dictatorships.
mircea_popescu: unless it's "look at stalin sucking cock" it ain't worth printing.
nubbins`: heh.
nubbins`: yeah, fair
mircea_popescu: the penthouse interview with the faloon prostitute a fine example.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: but diss records work all the time. that's why biggie and tupac iz ded.
nubbins`: thestringpuller he has a point
nubbins`: for that matter, you do as well
nubbins`: anyway, just thinkin out loud
thestringpuller: it's like that episode fo the boondocks where they make a diss record about grandpa
BingoBoingo offers Jan 2015 through Feb 12th 2015 all kind of OOM kills, none since
thestringpuller: then all of a sudden people start beating up old people cause the song is dope
BingoBoingo crosses fingers
nubbins`: well anyway, that leftover money from the old posters is still sitting around
thestringpuller: one kid says, "I like to beat up old people cause the song said it was cool to do." << i guess this also related to eminem controversies of the late 90's
nubbins`: be nice to make use of it, for .foundation propaganda or otherwise
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84328 @ 0.00043987 = 37.0934 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10600 @ 0.00043882 = 4.6515 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: nubbins` leftover moneyz ?
nubbins`: nod. idea was to pay rubes in big cities to print out cheap copies of same poster and paste em up
nubbins`: after an exhaustive search, i found precisely one dude who said his nephew would do it
nubbins`: and it was such a shit job i don't even know if i should describe it
nubbins`: anyway, there's just over a bitcoin and a half there
nubbins`: mildly (but only mildly) surprising that people will suck pennies out of a btc faucet all day, but literally walking around with a roll of packing tape is too much work for $15/hr
mircea_popescu: i paid for this ?!
nubbins`: well, no.
nubbins`: you paid for the 50 for what's his name
nubbins`: then i printed another 50 to sell to forum rubes, with the express intention of the profit being used in this manner
mircea_popescu: a, i was starting to think my accounting's as tight as the dod's.
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 345307 | Current Difficulty: 4.668437631686029E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 346751 | Next Difficulty In: 1444 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 21 hours, 22 minutes, and 11 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 46800172847.1 | Estimated Percent Change: 0.24804
BingoBoingo: Awfully close to no change
assbot: L(λ)THW ... ( )
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123950 @ 0.00041841 = 51.8619 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: So when it comes to Schweich... Biggest bezzel controversy in MO right now is whether or not to build a new NFL stadium. Imma be pissed if that ends up having done him in.
BingoBoingo: !up knotwork
BingoBoingo: !up yhwh_
BingoBoingo: My client has sync'd up to the point of no return, not enough blocks left to trigger an OOM kill
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00041841 = 1.7155 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 236.7, vol: 5485.67443858 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 231.002, vol: 6212.04634 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 236.92, vol: 18689.46373519 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 236.510392, vol: 85401.94810000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 239.63507, vol: 22.7135206 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 237.265875, vol: 51.29906919 | Volume-weighted last average: 236.291054119
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65300 @ 0.00043686 = 28.527 BTC [+] {2}
cazalla: love reading a trilema where i know of the incident being discussed before it is named, heh
cazalla: always figured those two guys watched heat a couple dozen times
mircea_popescu: haha ya think ?
mircea_popescu: this was 90s, might have been pre heat even
thestringpuller: cazalla: like when he says to stop buying bitcoins while a buying frenzy happens?
thestringpuller: but people still do it anyways.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, heat came out in 95', hollywood shootout was two years later
mircea_popescu: dude it's been 20 years.
cazalla: and yet news of that attempted bank heist stuck with me since i first of it back then
cazalla: heard*
BingoBoingo: So... /. just shitted up their UI
BingoBoingo: Instead of promoting their beta to production they gave the shitty beta.slashdot rounded corners and are pretending it is still "classic"
BingoBoingo: That, also is a contender for pushing Schweick over the edge
BingoBoingo: !up Pierre_Rochard
cazalla: mircea_popescu, on second thought.. wikipedia suggests they hit their first armoured car back in 93 so perhaps it is heat which copied them
assbot: The Only Constant is Change - Slashdot ... ( )
assbot: Your Cellphone Is A Tracking Device That Relays Your Conversations In Plaintext | ... ( )
BingoBoingo: "I'm trying to come up with an apt description of how disappointing this "classic" redesign is and all I and all I can say is this morning everything was fine. Now it looks like some GNAA trolls mashed up the worst aspects of "classic" with the beta no one wanted."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45502 @ 0.00041841 = 19.0385 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Only unambiguous good news of the day, the NFL's war on runningbacks is tilting towards and NFL loss nao
assbot: Adrian Peterson suspension overturned by federal judge. ... ( )
BingoBoingo: !up unbalanced
assbot: Do Not Use TurboTax This Tax Season ... ( )
assbot: TurboTax Stops Filing State Tax Returns Due To Massive Fraud | ... ( )
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87671 @ 0.00044115 = 38.6761 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: Edward Snowden Citizenfour: The former contractor sparked a movement that’s winning the surveillance argument. ... ( )
BingoBoingo: !up Asenath
BingoBoingo: Hello Asenath welcome to #b-a
Asenath: Thank you, I've been reading along for many weeks
BingoBoingo: Cool, any specific-ish questions?
Asenath: I could embarass myself by asking something pedestrian.
BingoBoingo: Nah, that's how you learn what to read
BingoBoingo: Then you read and ask question 2
Asenath: Instead I think I will keep my own counsel for now and save the questions for when I gad dig in deep.
Asenath: Yes, one invariably leads to another
BingoBoingo: Asenath: Well on freenode you prolly want to pick up a cloak to avoid mystery DoS bot.
BingoBoingo: Just go to #freenode and ask for a cloak
Asenath: One thing I would like to learn more about is the building of the nodes.
thestringpuller: Asenath:
Asenath: Thanks for that
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: documented everything perfectly.
thestringpuller: you can reach him here or by twitter if you have any questions
BingoBoingo: Asenath: Good to ask here though in case your question is novel if asked here on the record the solution can help others
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63057 @ 0.00042801 = 26.989 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: Asenath, you mean the pogo? or just nodes in general?
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: post it to the listserv
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: ideally these things ought to be there
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18343 @ 0.00042801 = 7.851 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: << mega-lol re: terrorist-creation
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Piece if it appears would be tomorrow at the earliest. Drinking to numb my body to the snow shoveling ahead of it tonight.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: have you considered leaving that snow where it is ?
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: spoken like a true recluse...
asciilifeform: hey it wurks for me
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Can't do that if I want to collect monopoly money from the neighbors.
BingoBoingo is a cash busines
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo is also a certified hustler
danielpbarron: !up Asenath
asciilifeform: that indictment is riotously funny
asciilifeform: usg found two clinically certifiable imbeciles and now they have 'terrorists' in the dock
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Summers I cut grass, parties I cut ass, and winter I shovel snow. All of the time though my records are an incoherent mess
BingoBoingo: Fuck, this indictment is longer and lulzier than nearly all the darkmarket ones
asciilifeform: it's pretty standard in that the 'dangerous terrorists' are just as obviously one or two notches above the iq level where one needs institutional care
asciilifeform: as in most such cases
BingoBoingo: So any asperging turrorists of the Islamist pursuasion "" is a honeypot
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Just like the Padilla fellow and his buckets
asciilifeform: does it matter to which honeypot they go ?
asciilifeform: if imbeciles.
asciilifeform: allah forbid they find a -working- weapon, will shoot wrong end towards enemy, somebody'll have to clean up their guts
BingoBoingo: Seriously
asciilifeform: their 'plan', to the extent one could use that word here, appears to have been - to shoot police at random, and then collect their gear, which which to repeat same, ad infinitum
asciilifeform: every time i read a document like this (and they're all quite the same, as mircea_popescu observed all clinical material re: the criminally insane being much alike - or was that tlp?)
BingoBoingo: I think they both covered this
asciilifeform: i think of the folks who might have tried to go to the moon in balloons, or shooting selves out of cannons, in the past
BingoBoingo for the record would never injure Obama lest he deprive Obama the instruments Obama set against himself and his legacy
asciilifeform: and speaking of our hanging, where are the -thinking- terrorists ?
asciilifeform: i, for one, will be quite disappointed to hang on the same gallows as these disgraceful excuses for 'public enemy'
BingoBoingo: Waiting untile they can have a SLotin moment?
BingoBoingo: i.e. screwdriver can only stop one
BingoBoingo: The rest are prolly happy running all over Texarkana and the New California Republic
asciilifeform: those aren't 'terrorists' properly speaking
asciilifeform: but ordinary soldiers, of an army which doesn't officially exist
asciilifeform: speaking here of proper terrorists.
BingoBoingo: I really don't know if you can have a "proper terroritst" without some mental retardation
asciilifeform: sure you can.
asciilifeform: as described in mircea_popescu's 'nobody could have foreseen' essay;
asciilifeform: or suvorov's 'spetsnaz';
asciilifeform: or the novel 'stand on zanzibar';
asciilifeform: or 10,000 other places.
BingoBoingo: I'm not sure a wasp is actually a terrorist... seems more like a drunk cursed with work
asciilifeform: a 'terrorist' for the purpose of this line of thought is anyone who is on track to being imprisoned by usg under charge of 'terrorism.'
BingoBoingo: So unknowable until after the fact
asciilifeform: not wholly unknowable
BingoBoingo: The outer bounds are
asciilifeform: i.e., if you were a fly on the wall (fly that speaks uzbek) where the two cretins had their conversations, you might be able to guess
decimation: asciilifeform: < apparently ru mil uses 'digital camo' now
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asciilifeform: decimation: ru army copied even american boots not long ago
asciilifeform: !s wrappings
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asciilifeform: !s leg wraps
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BingoBoingo: From my understanding of the inner bounds the hometown mayor recovering from a fall down the stairs and thoracic + cervical spine fractures is a likely turrorist candidate
assbot: Logged on 22-02-2015 18:57:48; asciilifeform: phun phact: degenerating ru army recently moved to socks!
decimation: !s foot wrap
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asciilifeform: ^ thread
decimation: aye. apparently they just wanna be like everyone else
decimation: supposedly the 'digital camo' is 'more effective' than past camo
BingoBoingo: !up chatquack
decimation: re: chromium plating weapons parts < I suspect that usg would do it if it were actually cost effective
decimation: but the marginal benefit gained is probably not worth the cost of properly plating the weapon
asciilifeform: cost doesn't seem a likely reason, imho. iirc, crew-served machine guns don't have chromed mechanicals either
asciilifeform: mats? adlai?
mats: lolno
asciilifeform: if i had to guess, i'd imagine Cr cold-welds on impact with self, or something like that
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Thinking on it the smaller parts like the trigger group have the wrong kind of friction? If the plating wears unevenly catastrophic failure comes sooner than with paint?
decimation: I wonder if it would flake?
BingoBoingo: decimation: Can flake to an extent
adlai: automated weaponry in the vulgar battalions is lubricated by the ash deposited from fired rounds
BingoBoingo: Cold welding may happen
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mats: exactly
adlai: "best practices" say that you don't want lots of this, but you need to continually fire for a long time without cleaning to get a jam from residue
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BingoBoingo: Might be that plating makes the underlying metal fail in a different way
adlai: (caveat: 'ime' encompasses only training and exercises, in all manner shitty physical conditions, but combat inevitably would be worse)
BingoBoingo: Could also be something as stupid as "Chromium there would be shiny" when spotted de sodomizing gun
decimation: the first "digital camo" was used by the waffen-ss
assbot: Flecktarnmuster (Flecktarn) - Camouflage Wiki ... ( )
BingoBoingo: 19 blocks left
BingoBoingo: Also... Fedora is really turning to shit since people abandoned it
assbot: The Tremendous Features Of Fedora 22 - Phoronix ... ( )
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decimation: BingoBoingo: lol python3 is now standard
BingoBoingo: decimation: Seriously
decimation: but it has a new version of gnome turdware!
decimation: heh and they are ditching yum
BingoBoingo: Seriously yum was the only tolerable part of my breif flirtation with SUSE
decimation: well apparently the yum author got hit by a bus or somethin
BingoBoingo: PLS send weird transactions that might accidentaly forkchain nao.
decimation: <"Perceived deficiencies of yum which DNF is intended to address include poor performance, high memory usage, and the slowness of its iterative dependency resolution."
assbot: DNF (software) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( )
BingoBoingo: !up starsoccer
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the world of sane folks,
asciilifeform: 'Due to the well-known fact that all compilers have bugs, it is the conventional wisdom of the safety critical community to avoid assuming that the generated object code is automatically correct. For instance, the approach taken in the avionics standard DO-178B is one of Design, Review and Test [DO-178B]. As far as practical, the review and test activities are undertaken at the object code level. Indeed, if the reliability req
asciilifeform: uirements of Class 1 flight critical software (the most critical) are to be attained, every attempt must be made to detect errors induced by a compiler. This is expensive, but unavoidable given current technology. The pragma Reviewable applies to a partition so that the compiler can generate code to match special documentation thus permitting independent review of the object code. The following specific requirements apply...'
assbot: Hypertext Ada 95 Rationale - Part Three - Chapter H ... ( )
asciilifeform: ^ yes there are language primitives for helping to ease the pain of the fella who gets to read the disasm after you're done
decimation: asciilifeform: that's interesting
mats: dear god
mats: that sounds expensive
decimation: asciilifeform: it's an acknowledgement of the fact that you are living on an assembly machine
asciilifeform: mats: know what else is expensive ?
asciilifeform: 'boeing' that falls down
asciilifeform: or a bitcoinator that $insertcatastropicfailure
BingoBoingo struggling to make gnat hello worls
BingoBoingo: *world
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: gnatmake hello.adb
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'll give it a try within 24 hours.
asciilifeform: with ada.text_io;
asciilifeform: use ada.text_io;
asciilifeform: procedure hello is
asciilifeform: put("Hello World");
asciilifeform: end hello;
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: May have to play with ksh configs. Had to do so to make python REPL work. SBCL REPL worked right after pkg_add
decimation: there's a pretty good tutorial here
assbot: Ada Tutorial and Free Ada Compilers ... ( )
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asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: don't expect a repl, ada is a classical compiled thing like c or fortran
BingoBoingo: !Up chatquack
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I understand that part
BingoBoingo: Fortran 95 did its compile on this gcc
BingoBoingo: 2 weeks ago when tested.
BingoBoingo: Installing/testing ada began today
BingoBoingo: Not finished yet
BingoBoingo working his way slowly though "C++ Today" his CSI 130+230 text to learn a language paradigm to reject
asciilifeform: the 'rationale' chapter on oop system is interesting in that it cites the 'common lisp', c++, 'eiffel', 'smalltalk' standards materials, and expects that you are familiar with them and can understand a summary of differences
asciilifeform: it is an immediate mindfuck to be confronted with a computing-related document written this way.
asciilifeform: not something i've experienced since working with steele's 'common lisp the language'
BingoBoingo needs to read MARC records were a stupid wast of a semester
asciilifeform: among the books i can picture on the shelves at the great library of 'meta-nsa' - this tome surely has its place
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assbot: NSA Library -- United States -- National Security Agency ... ( )
asciilifeform almost expected to see a catalogue
BingoBoingo: Such links never show a catalogue.
asciilifeform: catalogue.
asciilifeform: (doubtfully would be posted without hitler's approval, so take with grain of salt)
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> << funnily enough. << Not MARC cannot write to tape, not a catalogue
decimation: asciilifeform: have you ever read the 'rainbow books'?
asciilifeform: << crown jewels catalogue, purportedly, circa '03
assbot: Rainbow Series and Related Documents ... ( )
asciilifeform: decimation: well-known. but, personally never had occasion to.
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assbot: Logged on 09-02-2015 20:57:01; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform again, wanting for the sake of wanting is no gooid. you gotta want something.
BingoBoingo: !up nubbins`
decimation: "LAWRENCE Look, Ali. Look! That's me. What colour is it? That's me! And there's nothing I can do about it. ALI A man can do whatever he wants, you said. LAWRENCE He can, but he can't want what he wants.This is the stuff [his flesh] that decides what he wants."
asciilifeform: incidentally,,
assbot: NSA choice ... ( )
BingoBoingo: "A man chooses. A slave obeys."
asciilifeform: ^ unfortunately not actively updated
asciilifeform: (e.g. contains no detail re: 'pendleton' and 'piedmont', the directorates-of-what-shall-we-do-about-pgp cited in earlier 'crown jewels' list)
BingoBoingo downtime
decimation: !down decimation
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assbot: openssl/crypto/bn/asm at OpenSSL_1_0_1-stable · openssl/openssl · GitHub ... ( )
asciilifeform: yes! asm-optimized routines for bignum get crapped out by perl scripts..
asciilifeform: slept better without knowing this? too bad.
asciilifeform not sure how many of those, if any, are enabled on typical build for respective system
asciilifeform can't be bothered to find out
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adlai: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 245.26, vol: 7494.30920734 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 243.567, vol: 8006.11503 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 251.33, vol: 18550.09634337 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 249.434075, vol: 74178.23820000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 242.06, vol: 35.53347757 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 241.023435, vol: 55.43776109 | Volume-weighted last average: 249.029596627
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mircea_popescu: !up Asenath
assbot: Logged on 27-02-2015 01:31:56; asciilifeform: i think of the folks who might have tried to go to the moon in balloons, or shooting selves out of cannons, in the past
asciilifeform: not even impossible to think that it still happens.
mircea_popescu: assbot: The Tremendous Features Of Fedora 22 << there's something very wrong with any software that reaches v 22.
mircea_popescu: firefox has the same problem
mircea_popescu: << /me waves at the poor unfortunates whose impossible job this is.
assbot: Logged on 27-02-2015 02:42:39; asciilifeform: (e.g. contains no detail re: 'pendleton' and 'piedmont', the directorates-of-what-shall-we-do-about-pgp cited in earlier 'crown jewels' list)
asciilifeform pictures them waving back
asciilifeform: isthata ziptie?
mircea_popescu: i dun think so
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assbot: Rump Kernels ... ( )
asciilifeform: ^ or maybe not. seems like an elaborate rehash of '80s microkernel concept
asciilifeform: but potentially useful for netbsd diddlers.
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