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asciilifeform: robots.txt flag ?
mircea_popescu: i've not seen those cached links for agws. they still exist ?
mircea_popescu: i don't see them ion any sites
asciilifeform: i think you might need a civilian www browser to see them
thestringpuller: qntra is using cloudflare?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller it was.
thestringpuller: why is qntra getting attacked so heavily?
mircea_popescu: i dunno dude.
asciilifeform: somebody has an otherwise-idle chumpnet, clearly.
thestringpuller: this reminds me of back when mpex got ddosed
asciilifeform: (see discussion of botnet economics from the other day)
thestringpuller: !s botnet economics
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: kakobrekla: what, and when a guest visits my home and goes to wired.com, a plain html page with all my private keys pops up on the screen? << no, they have to enter combinations of keys first.
assbot: Logged on 16-10-2014 01:26:15; asciilifeform: back to botnet topic - we will increasingly see pointless acts of hooliganism
assbot: United States Government Policy and Supporting Positions (Plum Book), 2012
asciilifeform: was never secret.
asciilifeform: srsly one sat in my old office.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10581 @ 0.00073682 = 7.7963 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: plumbook is not interesting because of the appointees (everybody who gives half a damn already knows who they are.) but for the 'ses' bureaucrats, the real backbone of usg.
asciilifeform: these are immune to elections and more or less all weather
mircea_popescu: ;;isitdown trilema.com
gribble: trilema.com is up
mircea_popescu: decimation: it is interesting that 'crazies' who go postal insist on just spraying down innocents rather than waging 'guerrilla' war << who in the us is innocent ?
mircea_popescu: and of what exactly ?
thestringpuller: is trilema getting attacked too?
thestringpuller: it's up for me but really slow
mircea_popescu: Even more property was forfeited by participating in a federal program known as “equitable sharing.” By partnering with a federal agency, local and state law enforcement can keep up to 80 percent of the proceeds from a forfeited property. Incredibly, police can collaborate even if doing so would circumvent their own states’ protections for property owners.
mircea_popescu: "Between 2001 and 2007, law enforcement agencies seized and kept over 35,000 cars, homes and electronics, forfeiting more than $280 million."
mircea_popescu: check out how osama won :D
asciilifeform: probably truth, if there's any in that line, is - netted 280m on auction.
asciilifeform: stole - $billions.
undata: to be fair, the cops have been involved in similar corruption in the US since the beginning
asciilifeform: (confiscate house, sell for half price to fella with stalin note)
mthreat: that's been happening for a while.. 90s at least
mircea_popescu: undata: a smart cult with an anti-govt streak would try to remain unnoticed <<< which fails to explain why the us govt is not taking better care of staying out of our way.
mircea_popescu: mthreat i show my link you show me yours ? :D
assbot: I heard that /coindesk pays all of their writers in fiat! RT if you think they should offer pay in bitcoin! /shak /emilyspaven /southtopia
mthreat: my reply: "I'd rather they just stop publishing altogether."
mircea_popescu: or maybe they should pay them in shares lol.
mthreat: touche
mthreat: may have same effect
mircea_popescu: coinbase shares for sure.
mircea_popescu: a secret that won't stay under wraps for so long.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00073926 = 12.0499 BTC [+] {2}
undata: mthreat: the history of the LAPD is particulary interesting
undata: mircea_popescu: on the one hand you have the inept, sprawling bureaucracy
assbot: Feminists Are Useful Idiots, And Doomed. Must Watch. - YouTube
mircea_popescu: "why... becausae yu're stupid, that's why"
undata: the pentagon side of things seems rather effective
thestringpuller: yay qntra is back up!
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller why are you so invested anyway lol
thestringpuller: Cause I like reading things.
thestringpuller: that aren't reddit
thestringpuller: or coindesk
undata: one can look to black nationalism for an example of how the usgov deals with an actual, organized opposition
mircea_popescu: how's that ?
undata: mircea_popescu: they went after its command structure with assassinations, (sometimes wrongful) imprisonments, etc
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller makes sense.
undata: meanwhile destroying the communities with crack, economic oppression, other tools
mircea_popescu: undata this seems rather dubious a summary to me.
undata: this is sort of musing on the idea of an actual opponent to the US govt
mircea_popescu: there's two points here. the easy to dispatch one is the naive narcissism. i can see why you'd imagine the usg is important or powerful. this is neither true or particularly likely, from a neutral pov. but moving on,
mircea_popescu: you ever saw the movie jackie brown ?
undata: I haven't; worth seeing?
mircea_popescu: i'd say so, yes.
mircea_popescu: there's a fine example of your "black nationalism" in there, as deployed by sam l jackson's character
Vexual: excellent flick
mircea_popescu: or at least, it's a fine summary of what i tihnk of it.
undata: mircea_popescu: I was looking for a film for tonight anyway.
mircea_popescu: so then enjoy and we can continue the convo after.
undata: alright
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu has seen jackie brown?
mircea_popescu: course ?
mircea_popescu: ;;google trilema jackie brown
gribble: Mai 2012 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2012/05>; Trilematograf pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/trilematograf/>; Life of Crime *** (2013, Jennifer Aniston, Tim Robbins, Isla Fisher ...: <http://derekwinnert.com/life-of-crime-2013-jennifer-aniston-tim-robbins-isla-fisher-mos-def-movie-review/>
undata: oh, nevermind, I've seen this
undata: mircea_popescu: ^
mircea_popescu: ok. so there's "black nationalism". "that's what they do, turning brother against brother"
mircea_popescu: it was never anything but a chumpatron.
mircea_popescu: a woefully transparent one at that.
undata: right, I wasn't saying it had any chance
mircea_popescu: that's not the point tho. the point is that it wasn't anything but a cheap sales pitch, without any substance.
mircea_popescu: even the scientologists got more meat on the bones than that.
mircea_popescu: (and notice that the scientologists raped the fuck out of the usg, in the 70s. back when it was still a thing)
undata: right, that's a good example of the weakness to be fair
mircea_popescu: so no, the usg didn't black nationality anything. it just put a bunch of thugs away, and much fewer than it either could or should have.
thestringpuller: Accross 110th Street
thestringpuller: i'm going to listen to that soundtrack now
mircea_popescu: hey not a bad idea.
undata: I'm genuinely interested to hear what you think might displace the US govt.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23666 @ 0.00073946 = 17.5001 BTC [+] {2}
undata: mircea_popescu: pure capitalism atop bitcoin?
mircea_popescu: no, economy and government are unrelated.
mircea_popescu: this, #bitcoin-assets.
undata: hm, I suppose I'd better stick around then.
mircea_popescu: can't hurt haha
Vexual: fonda: wanna fuck? deniro:sure
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-economics/ http://trilema.com/2012/gpg-contracts/ undata << there, coupla articles to save you from trying to shoot in the dark
assbot: A complete theory of economics pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: GPG contracts pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
thestringpuller: lol Vexual
thestringpuller: that was an interesting scene
undata: mircea_popescu: I'll check them out; I was talking with friends earlier about how a WoT could be used to delegate authorities to members of an organization
mircea_popescu: a yeah, there's that, too
mircea_popescu: ;;google what the wot is how it works and how to use it
gribble: How WOT ratings work | Help Center | WOT (Web of Trust): <http://www.mywot.com/en/faq/website/rating-websites>; Why WOT works | WOT (Web of Trust): <http://www.mywot.com/en/support/how-wot-works>; What to do when the World of Tanks game launcher doesn't work ...: <https://eu.wargaming.net/support/Knowledgebase/Article/View/67/30/what-to-do-when-the-world-of-tanks-game-launcher- (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: fu gribble
mircea_popescu: wtf google do you use seriously ?
assbot: What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
asciilifeform: http://kyristor.com << me derping re: wot prior to knowing anything on subject. posted for archaeologists a while ago..
assbot: kyristor
undata: mircea_popescu: I'll read, digest and get back to ya
asciilifeform: (re: delegate authorities)
undata: asciilifeform: huh... yeah, that.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform gitta satm you got the formalisaiton quite exactly.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform gotta say, you got the formalisation quite exactly.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wrote most of that turd in mid-'09
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: started out with notion of automatic iq test for gating forums - junked, because realized that thinking people usually vouched for by others of their kind
asciilifeform: then proceeded to generalize
asciilifeform: but did nothing of any use whatsoever with this, because - the mines.
asciilifeform: not even the toil of the mines, but wasn't certain that cared for much human contact anyway
mircea_popescu: Судьбы моей рычаг,
asciilifeform: ...урановый рудник бутугычаг.
mircea_popescu: it's funny what people make out of things.
mircea_popescu: insanely enough, trilema ranks for Zhygulin
mircea_popescu: why is this guy so obscure anyway
assbot: ,
asciilifeform: not really obscure
asciilifeform: just not ported.
assbot: .
mircea_popescu: i suppose soljenitsin is more readily accessible, and whatever, tolstoy readily seems so to teh western reader
asciilifeform: also more useful for the purposes of the translators
asciilifeform: and so picked.
mircea_popescu: like useful how
asciilifeform: like making convenient orcs
mircea_popescu: tolstoy ?!
asciilifeform: (aside from orcs existing perfectly well, they must also be made - apparently such is the nature of pesky humans)
asciilifeform: speaking more of herr s
mircea_popescu: i picked the pair for a reason11!
mircea_popescu: but be that as it may, it's fascinating how the stuff that doesn't cross is always more interesting than the stuff that does
asciilifeform: and not merely because unfamiliar.
mircea_popescu: and this seems fucking independnet of which side you sit on if any at all, and time invariant for that matter.
asciilifeform: because the things on other side of a filter - always more interesting - alive.
mircea_popescu: no. for one thing, "i salute you, memories of my youth, and knob upon which my fate turned" is unfamiliar to no one
mircea_popescu: besides, fucking latins had the same observation.
mircea_popescu: in any case, this speaks directly to a revolutionary wonderment, to wit that "how is it that these reactionary types always see the golden age in some past".
mircea_popescu: well... because nobody translates worth a shit, and filters even worse than that ? perhaps ?
ben_vulpes: my golden age is today
ben_vulpes: i mean its dingy as fuck but mebbe if i work really hard
Vexual: you shoerted copper too?
asciilifeform: but also 'traduttore, tradittore.'
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes golden ages are of cultures not of people you lout you!
asciilifeform: e.g., the brit translation of 'monday begins on saturday' (strugatski brothers)
asciilifeform: just doesn't, well, go.
asciilifeform: because how would it.
ben_vulpes: ah yes well i'm but an american lout
ben_vulpes: a pauperized american lout
ben_vulpes: despite my best bezzlefforts
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> but also 'traduttore, tradittore.' << but consider ... cinema treason adds to the story.
ben_vulpes: (which - i ain't sharing details - are pretty good)
mircea_popescu: who ever heard of narration substractive treason
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw you ever seen sedmikrasky ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37160 @ 0.0007359 = 27.346 BTC [-] {4}
asciilifeform: negative
asciilifeform: looks interesting though
mircea_popescu: a, maybe check it out. 1960s femen.
asciilifeform: banned for wasting food on the set, lulzies.
Vexual: not much has changed since then
asciilifeform: k was supposed to ride on a demo vehicle gizmo, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-09-2014#845595
assbot: Logged on 26-09-2014 01:54:40; asciilifeform: shared a machine with a 'sollipse' - also abandoned, of no use.
asciilifeform: lives in my...
asciilifeform: !s coffin liner
asciilifeform: everybody's got'em
Vexual: why didn't you?
Vexual: (ride the aforementioned device)
asciilifeform: Vexual: meant, s was to be a demo system for k
Vexual: I have no idea what youre talking about •nevermind
Vexual: im sure the readers would prefer your discourse to mine
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20900 @ 0.00073661 = 15.3951 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: ;;isup qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is up
mircea_popescu: cheerios.
mircea_popescu: this should be the end of ddos issues.
mircea_popescu: got a decent router in front of the server, puny as it is.
mircea_popescu: beefy server still due this coming week.
Vexual: you ganna sell the blacklist?
mircea_popescu: just publish it.
mircea_popescu: cazalla great robocoin find btw lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.00073805 = 18.8941 BTC [+] {2}
pete_dushenski: i'm looking for a non-us-based email host and found this: https://mykolab.com/pricing
assbot: Pricing | MyKolab.com
pete_dushenski: i'm in no rush, so if anyone has recommendations, please to give me a holla :)
pete_dushenski: i'm also open to suggestions for web hosting and ddos prevention services, since we're on the topic atm
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu:"Dear Sir, I have 100% of your money, please send me a quarter of this amount and then I will send the rest back to you, because logic." << lmao. this pretty much made my night
pete_dushenski: undata: a smart cult with an anti-govt streak would try to remain unnoticed << hm. now why might that be?
pete_dushenski: decimation: de tocqueville predicted the 'iphonization' of everything 200 years ago << mhm. which is why he would've loved to watch the pendulum swing back in the "proper" direction. http://www.contravex.com/2014/08/03/democracy-vs-aristocracy/
assbot: Democracy vs. Aristocracy | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: my golden age is today << lady v is with child already?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: this should be the end of ddos issues. << wunderbar. contravex's links will work!
pete_dushenski: and as a closing thought before the dreams take hold, i have a hard time imagining that bitstamp will seize much more than 10k bitcoin. what's that, a week of price depression?
pete_dushenski: the usgcannon is regressing from a-bombs to slingshots, slowly but surely.
pete_dushenski: and with that, bon soir!
Vexual: hi pete
Vexual: the abc version is interesting, poastcode tags
Vexual: police state?
Vexual: oh no, it's in the press release
Vexual: you know, it might be worth nting for international readers that wearing motorcycle club colours has recently become illegal in queensland
Vexual: guilty by association
punkman: hey Vexual
cazalla: RagnarDanneskjol, posted it on qntra earlier, seems it is down again though
Vexual: hi
RagnarDanneskjol: aww damn - thought you might have
cazalla: i have a bit more personal info than that brissy times article though
RagnarDanneskjol: I captured the archive and am putting up on the alt place as we speak
Vexual: best left out cazalla
assbot: Mad Max Motorcycle Gang - YouTube
punkman: you got a lot of harleys down under?
Vexual: have you ever seen so many cops in a cafe that doesnt have free donuts?
Vexual: therea a large part of the poulation that like american chrome ragnar
punkman: there's this guy around here with a harley covered in tiny mirrors, looks like a disco ball
cazalla: Vexual, it was published elsewhere anyway
Vexual: doesn't mean the cook crank
cazalla: RagnarDanneskjol, don't mirror qntra content please
cazalla: at least not for now
Vexual: ooh you got told
RagnarDanneskjol: was mostly doing for my own reference
cazalla: i don't need duplicate content issues from google on top of this ddos shit
Vexual: anyway, you can get arrested for a tshirt here, this shit isn't good
cazalla: Vexual, the guy that owns the cafe owns a stake in the company that shipped the atms in
cazalla: my guess is given bikie and meth links, it was how they cashed out their coins from silk road sales
Vexual: ok
Vexual: i doubt bikies use silk road
Vexual: irk that fucker has a palm reader
cazalla: right but they control the meth here and obviously the cafe guy was the nerd of the operation
Vexual: well if you have a sucessful cafe and a bitcoin atm in southbank, i doubt you're dealing meth
Vexual: however
cazalla: well, he's been charged
Vexual: that might not be how they want to to play out
Vexual: for what?
cazalla: drug trafficking
Vexual: wow shit
Vexual: seems unusual
Vexual: perhaps they're right, but it's just really hard to accept when you can get arrested for your tshirt
Vexual: do you know what exchange bit2bit uses?
assbot: New currencies can be used to buy coffee in Brisbane caf from today - ABC Queensland - Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC)
Vexual: yes, i remember reading the story, i was even thinking about ducking in the for a cafe
Vexual: broker fees were atrocious tho
cazalla: anyway, i found the guys mobile number, maybe i give him a call
Vexual: cafe owner?
cazalla: atm partner
Vexual: its a fuckin big arse scoop while youre getting flooded
Vexual: 2 year investigation, i'd give it a week
Vexual: or not, get em out for xmas
cazalla: giving him a call now
cazalla: damn, disconnected
Vexual: ;;8ball
gribble: Maybe...
Vexual: leave it man
davout: good morning!
Vexual: hi davo
Vexual: whats crackin'?
Vexual: !up duffer
Vexual: !up Duffer1
Duffer1: hola
Vexual: hiya
Vexual: whats new?
Duffer1: nothing at all
Vexual: gotta love that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00073805 = 10.6279 BTC [+]
davout: Vexual: nothing much
Vexual: isis is taking baghdad
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00073701 = 13.4136 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11857 @ 0.00073701 = 8.7387 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28502 @ 0.00073692 = 21.0037 BTC [-] {2}
Vexual: the robocoin qntra articel quite clearly shows a surveilance still, they took all the computers
Duffer1: moo?
Vexual: baa
Vexual: whats the story with moo?
Duffer1: qntra surv. still?
Vexual: im trying to reread the article and i can't
Vexual: whats the story duffer?
Duffer1: lol i have no idea i'm asking you :P
Vexual: i know nothing about moolah
Vexual: and so i dodn't absorb it
Vexual: give me your version
Vexual: some fat cunt wuth a beard failed thats all i know
Vexual: hardly souns like news
Vexual: i forgot you diss ac
Vexual: yes
Vexual: ;;later tel xinxi whats the difference between an expert system and ai?
gribble: Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "tel" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.
Vexual: that was quick
Vexual: !up moiety
Vexual: wheres my shortbread?
moiety: thanks :] you'll get it when you take me away like you said!
moiety: ;;seen supa
gribble: supa was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 12 weeks, 5 days, 23 hours, 34 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <Supa> :D
moiety: fucking cocksucker has been at mine trolling the fuck out of me
moiety: supa i mean ^
Vexual: ;;ident moiety
gribble: Nick 'moiety', with hostmask 'moiety!~moiety@unaffiliated/moiety', is identified as user 'moiety', with GPG key id 6DF881D6696B6111, key fingerprint E64F1CD74C9F7F955A892A646DF881D6696B6111, and bitcoin address None
moiety: tis me
assbot: Logged on 15-08-2014 11:06:42; Mexual: imma take moeity to the summit of ben nevis
Vexual: now kids be thinking they can drink whisky
moiety: they do in scotland
Vexual: they do
Vexual: can you?
moiety: i can. best one i have ever tried is Robert Burns
moiety: not a kid anymore tho
moiety: so dont know if this counts
Vexual: well i see no shortdread only tears
moiety: wipe the tears away. no one can see through tears
moiety: i got portal cookie cutters so i'll make portal shortbread
Vexual: lol
Vexual: nevermind
moiety: how have things been?
Vexual: good
Vexual: and you?
moiety: not bad i just got upset and pissed off today
Vexual: whenever i have a supa peoblem i cook a kangaroo steak to perfection
moiety: those really built kangaroos scare me iono if i could eat one
Vexual: theyre rare in resturants coz theyre hard to cook
Vexual: and thats a vexualism
Vexual: you won't find it in a resturant
moiety: my morning have been incomplete without them
Vexual: resturants, or kangaroos?
moiety: are they not allowed to have them in restaurants
moiety: vexualisms
Vexual: you gatta char it
moiety: flame grill?
Vexual: hell yes, but you can do it in a hot pan
moiety: has BB or flaffyminihorse been in this morning
moiety: what do you eat with kangaroo?
Vexual: traditional way is chuck the beast on teh coals and let the fur burn off
moiety: eww
Vexual: salad
Vexual: it's lean as a chech pornstar
moiety: i'd have to ask mircea how lean they were
Vexual: yes that ws presumtious of me
Vexual: but overcooked it becomes too firm
Vexual: and it happens so quickly we dont see it in resturants
Vexual: it's quite unlike any other meat
Vexual: you're quite right with flame grilled
Vexual: hot and fast
Vexual: you'd jump a duck for some good roo
moiety: *Manual Later Tell* hello log readers, sorry if i missed you today. hope all is well with you all. http://old.daps.tv/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/OTOCOLOBUS-MANUL-550x412.jpg ba lacking manuls lately :]
moiety: do you have it often? is it not pretty expensive
Vexual: theyre al,ost vermin here
cazalla: they need to promote it more
moiety: i heardthere were farms of them for eating?
Vexual: i can't cook it properly, so I don't buy it
moiety: cazalla!!!
cazalla: hello moiety, long time no see
moiety: nice work on qntra
cazalla: tyvm
cazalla: it's down again atm though
moiety: oh?
cazalla: yeah :\ more ddos it seems
Vexual: flood monkeys?
moiety: oh, deep joy :/ had that recently but the person wasnt very good, couldnt knock off the site for everyone
moiety: i hope its sorted out soon
cazalla: same, this is the 3rd day of it
moiety: i hope its someone that will get bored and not a rival paying for it
Vexual: i hope resturant learn how to cook roo
Vexual: there ne're was such a meat that bounces back when you get it wrong
Vexual: but with the porper application of flame, that wich is useless becomes delicious
Vexual: !up lampelina
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00073915 = 13.5264 BTC [+] {5}
Vexual: hi lampelina
Vexual: who are you affiliated with?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00073804 = 14.6132 BTC [-]
Vexual: surely yor vampish handle allows you to trancend the wot on occasion
lampelina: I guess so, why
Vexual: well, can you say more than three words?
lampelina: no, not atm
Vexual: ;;gettrust lampelina
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask lampelina!~lampi@unaffiliated/lampelina. Trust relationship from user muXne to user lampelina: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=muXne&dest=lampelina | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=lampelina | Rated since: Sat Apr 12 14:40:11 2014
Vexual: 3 words to describe me?
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lampelina: I'm busy cooking for kakobrekla atm
lampelina: vexual, bbl
Vexual: shows what i know
thestringpuller: ;;isup qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is down
thestringpuller: Why?!?!?
moiety: i have to go, it was nice to see yous
Vexual: bye moiety
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5849 @ 0.00073956 = 4.3257 BTC [+]
RagnarDanneskjol: obola cruise is trending this morn!!
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Vexual: what cruise?
assbot: Texas hospital worker who may have handled Ebola victim’s specimen is quarantined on cruise ship in Caribbean - The Washington Post
Vexual: ive got scoille units coming outta my ears
ThickAsThieves: i may have missed it, but is there a plan to reimplement the pankkake blog aggregator and penguirker announcements?
jurov: ;;isup qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is down
chetty: qntra certainly seems to have provoked a hornets nest
kakobrekla: ;;rate vancleef -1 noise hole. polluting my life through ignore.
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
kakobrekla: what are you then
kakobrekla: ;;rate [ident vexual] -1 noise hole. polluting my life through ignore.
gribble: Error: You must not give the empty string as an argument.
jurov: ;;gettrust assbot vexual
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user vexual: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=vexual | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=vexual | Rated since: never
kakobrekla: ;;ident vexual
gribble: Nick 'vexual', with hostmask 'Vexual!~amnesia@gateway/tor-sasl/vexual', is not identified.
kakobrekla: what is his wot nick?
bounce: does assbot check that on !down?
bounce: !down vexual
jurov: i think he isn't in da wot
kakobrekla: i mean, no?
bounce: so where does his +v come from then? o_O
kakobrekla: he is in the wot under some other name
jurov: assbot should log joins/parts too (even if they are filtered in log by default)
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jurov: for these cases
kakobrekla: just auths
bounce: !up events with the gribble id it acted upon
kakobrekla: Vexual level1: 0, level2: 4
kakobrekla: ;;rate thestringpuller -1 noise hole.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user thestringpuller has changed from 1 to -1.
ThickAsThieves: cleaning time i see
ThickAsThieves: is qntra people awake/around?
ThickAsThieves: i haz a post i wanna give them dibs on
jurov: ;;seen cazalla
gribble: cazalla was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours, 26 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <cazalla> same, this is the 3rd day of it
ThickAsThieves: i guess it's pointless with all the ddos
ThickAsThieves: such crippled
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bounce: looks like "muxne" then.
assbot: BitLicense & The Regulation of Encyption: My E-mail to the NYDFS (This is for you too James Comey)
mod6: ah look at that, moiety came back in for a bit
kakobrekla: ;;rate muxne -1 noise hole. polluting my life through ignore.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user muxne has been recorded.
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assbot: BitLicense & The Regulation of Encryption: My E-mail to the NYDFS (This is for you too James Comey) : Bitcoin
ThickAsThieves: here's a tweet if ya wanna rt too twitter.com/Bitcoin_Assets/status/523105108650102784
ThickAsThieves: actually that one has the typo
assbot: BitLicense & The Regulation of Encryption (This is for you too James Comey) /EFF /ErikVoorhees /NYDFS /BenLawsky http://t.co/8LstY0RDi2
ThickAsThieves: sry for spams
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assbot: WATCH: Florida's Gubernatorial Debate Gets Off To A Bizarre Start : The Two-Way : NPR
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ThickAsThieves: !up peterl
ThickAsThieves: ;;gettrust peterl
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user peterl: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=peterl | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=peterl | Rated since: Wed Apr 16 17:10:12 2014
peterl: if nobody else wants to, I could volunteer to set up a blog agregator?
ThickAsThieves: no argument here, unless qntra has aspirations
peterl: I guess it wouldn't hurt to have multiple sources?
ben_vulpes: california is apparently notifying water users of "wasteful status"
ThickAsThieves: i just liked having it all in one feed
ben_vulpes: "conserve, comrade"
ThickAsThieves: i can curate it myself with my feed reader, but i also like seeing the links tick in here
peterl: speaking of which (sort of), I added some charts to my s.qntr article, http://blog.btcscoop.com/infinitely-inflating-stock-s-qntr/
assbot: Infinitely inflating stock S.QNTR | BTC Scoop Blog
peterl: so you like the bot aspect of it?
ThickAsThieves: nice charts!
peterl: okay, I will see what I can come up with. I wrote a bot once, but it was a very simple thing
ThickAsThieves: so a rough takeaway from your charts, wait 2 years to buy s.qntr ;)
peterl: well, or just put a bid at a low price
mats_cd03: california is fucking retarded
peterl: what did they do now?
mats_cd03: allowing agribusiness to pour water into the ground whilst rationing residential users is mind boggling
mats_cd03: in addition to other retardation like farming in deserts
ThickAsThieves: and raising cattle
ben_vulpes: hey retard isn't pc
ben_vulpes: thats just 'poor engineering'
peterl: I like how Obama went there, spoke about how important it is to conserve water, then played golf on a lush course in the desert
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peterl: actually, I don't like it, but it is ironic how he does not even seem to notice the irony
mats_cd03: #b-a is about pc now? musta missed the memo
assbot: U.S. farmers making hay with alfalfa exports to China - LA Times
mats_cd03: aaaand this is why i don't live in california anymore
peterl: where do you live now?
kakobrekla: pc? personal computer?
mats_cd03: boston periphery
Adlai bids farewell to funemployment
ben_vulpes: what's the new gig, Adlai?
Adlai: don't worry, i'll still waste some of my free time at the yeshiva
Adlai: ben_vulpes: webdev thingies
ben_vulpes: lisping commonly?
Adlai: sadly no, python, but the rest of the team aren't too married to python and will probably be open to a saner backend architecture if i stay long enough that it's worth pushing for one
ben_vulpes chants "clojure, clojure" quietly and repeatedly
Adlai has actually never used clj
Adlai: have you used scala?
ben_vulpes: it's no cl, but it's nice.
ben_vulpes: mnope.
Adlai: there's also abcl
ben_vulpes: any good?
Adlai: if i had to interoperate with the jvm, i'd try using abcl first
ben_vulpes: i suspect pythongs are going to resist a cl
Adlai: eh the guy said that he likes "more functional stuff than python"
Adlai: and there's a comment in the source code that i've been handed:
Adlai: db.py-# TODO: there has to be a better way of writing this
Adlai: db.py:# or i'm fucking switching to lisp
peterl: is there a list of all the blogs that were on the blogroll?
ben_vulpes: Adlai: from another chan where i've been pounding on about lisp:
ben_vulpes: <******> also lisp is perfect and I have wasted 10 years
Adlai: the problem with "lisp" is that it's a platonic ideal, but each implementation of this ideal falls short in various ways once you hit the real world
ben_vulpes: i think the switching costs from py/whatever -> clojure are a little lower than to the common lisp families
Adlai prefers common lisp but just because that's what he has most experience with
ben_vulpes: and i clojure, for the same reason.
Adlai: what have you built in clojure?
Adlai: and how do you feel about the fact that your language guru is called "rich hickey"
ben_vulpes: various API's, toy BTC tools for myself, a webapp here and there
ben_vulpes: my what now?
ben_vulpes: i'm only a member of one cult of personality, and it ain't hickey's
Adlai: which cult?
ben_vulpes looks around
mats_cd03 farts
Adlai passes around Hare Krishna books
chetty giggles
kakobrekla: <Adlai> ben_vulpes: webdev thingies < btc related?
Adlai: indeed
kakobrekla: what is it?
Adlai: it'll be released within a few weeks, i'm not sure i should blab right now
kakobrekla: wtf is this, kindergarten
Adlai: tl;dr: gambling sites
Adlai: it's the backbone of the bitconomy!
TomServo: ThickAsThieves: Great post.
kakobrekla: you get paid in btc or equity?
Adlai: btc
ben_vulpes: lucky fuck
ben_vulpes: or good negotiator
Adlai: easier to gamble btc than equity!
ben_vulpes: equity is a gamble...
ben_vulpes: potential client asked me about my startuplandia cynicism last night
Adlai: illiquid equity is an unfungible gamble, btc can be funged around for other gambles
kakobrekla: well, not if you ipo :)
ben_vulpes: "well you can take your dollar down the 7-11 and buy a Keno ticket, or you can take your LIFE SAVINGS/4 of your best-performing years to the startup roulette wheel..."
ben_vulpes: "also, i got tired of being asked what color my lamborghini was."
Adlai: ipo = liquid equity
ben_vulpes: equity is liquid far in advance of IPOs, if you have enough and know PE.
ben_vulpes: and contracts are structured in equity-holders benefit, and not as a raping tool for VCs.
kakobrekla: yeah kinda true
ben_vulpes: PE will want to see revenues tho, unless the IPO is a juggernaut and the public markets are going to get taken hard.
Adlai: tbh i wasn't offered equity
ThickAsThieves: <+TomServo> ThickAsThieves: Great post. /// Hey, thanks!
diametric: nubbins makes tshirts and stuff right?
diametric: does he have a site?
ThickAsThieves: he does screenprinting, more specifically
ThickAsThieves: yes, sec
assbot: Pink Eye Print Company | screenprinting /// publishing /// design
diametric: cool thanks.
mats_cd03: 'pink eye print' really?
ben_vulpes: (side note Adlai, clojurescript makes frontend almost endurable)
ThickAsThieves: <+mats_cd03> 'pink eye print' really? /// hey, i remembered it cuz the name!
Pierre_Rochard: ben_vulpes: is there a clojure or lisp web framework you would recommend?
assbot: BREAKING: Ebola Scare at the Pentagon | ARLnow.com
ThickAsThieves: "...there have been fewer than 10 confirmed cases in the country. Today President Obama named an “Ebola czar” to help coordinate the federal response to the outbreak threat."
ThickAsThieves: czarbola
bounce: ``The chemists claim that Cheerios are by far the best in the cereal aisle at growing chemically productive fungi.'' -- http://science.slashdot.org/story/14/10/17/143231/chemists-grow-soil-fungus-on-cheerios-discover-new-antifungal-compounds
assbot: Chemists Grow Soil Fungus On Cheerios, Discover New Antifungal Compounds - Slashdot
mircea_popescu: oh what fresh hell awaits us today ?
assbot: Democracy and Education in the 21st Century and Beyond: An Interview With Noam Chomsky
mircea_popescu: Adlai he say anything interesting ?
Adlai: mircea_popescu: still reading
ThickAsThieves: "You have to improve the institutions responsible for indoctrination of the young. You have to control children. You have to make sure that they're not too free and creative and independent, and it shows up in all sorts of ways."
mircea_popescu: this is like self-plagiarism
mircea_popescu: he was saying that in the 70s
ThickAsThieves: he's just happy he can remember
assbot: Distributed Web of Trust Proposal 2 - My Private Wiki
mircea_popescu: you know it's startying to wear on me this. there's a currently-in-the-process-of-universalizing-itself mode of behaviour of the principal mode of failure of contemporary youth (previously discussed) which consists in essentially... prayer.
Adlai: mircea_popescu: he's paraphrasing a book, i don't think he agrees with that statement himself
mircea_popescu: "mother mary who thoust be in heavens in all glory and power, ready my letter of what i would like to see and DO IT"
mircea_popescu: fucking helpless twerp brigade.
Adlai didn't quite follow
bounce starts the church of bitcoin. you know, like scientology, only with bitcoin instead of bad sf.
mircea_popescu: Adlai that's like the worst error message ever.
mircea_popescu: bounce yeah, just make sure you have a wallet inspector made out of two cans and a string or something.
Adlai: "printer on fire"
kakobrekla: hey i got a patent on that.
bounce: mod a robocoin for bitcoin-paid confession taking or something
bounce: a patent on setting printers on fire?
Adlai: "One reason we don't hear anything about [5M killed in the Congo] is because there's very limited official US involvement of the press corps."
ThickAsThieves: i have peterl a list of blawgs to make a new aggregator, i *think* i got everyone
kakobrekla: no no, the cans and strings.
bounce: so you can sue kindergarten science fairs
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i was using it under license :D
bounce: "respect mah intellectual propertay!"
Adlai: mircea_popescu: so you mean that the failure mode of contemporary youth is that they pray with their hands instead of their feet?
mircea_popescu: Adlai you readily ignored the (previously discussed) reference and now are making a soup of the statement ?
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assbot: Logged on 16-10-2014 16:13:23; mircea_popescu: anyway, if it's anything like this dude, it'd basically lesswrong/meatballswiki/somethingawful hivemind. unemployable graduates with fixed if erroneous ideas "about the world"
Adlai: oh, i thought you were talking about the chomsky article
ThickAsThieves: well he was
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 0.97748980 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 85 satoshi per share
mircea_popescu: in my own way...
mircea_popescu: to quote the cristina chick, "todo hace juego con todo"
mircea_popescu: course the antioficialismo newspapers are nao calling her paranoid over that impermissible holistic approach.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] [PAID] 1.92524520 BTC to 29`438 shares, 6540 satoshi per share
assbot: U.S. Soldiers Get Just Four Hours of Ebola Training - The Daily Beast
mircea_popescu: just ? how much shoukld they get ?
mircea_popescu: a fucking postdoc ?
mircea_popescu: "wear this gear. wash your hands. don't put stuff in your eyes, mouth, asshole"
ThickAsThieves: like it takes 4 hours to teach someone to go AWOL
mircea_popescu: dude i just did 30 seconds ebola training for intelligent people.
ThickAsThieves: “I’ll be honest with you,” one soldier told the newspaper. “I’m kind of scared.”
mircea_popescu: that us soldiers need 14400 seconds seems mildly insulting.
ThickAsThieves: i'm worried this will turn into the thing that traps me in the US forever
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i think going awol is probably more of a risk than ebola.
Adlai: "don't eat shit"
Adlai: ThickAsThieves: are you seriously worried about contracting ebola?
ThickAsThieves: thats not what i meant
mircea_popescu: well, unless there's a refugee camp with hot sexy 12 year old locals. then all bets are off. Standard UN policy in the matter, as seen in Congo, Haiti, Liberia, Sudan, Burundi etc.
ThickAsThieves: i mean i'm worried this will turn into a whole new CDC that operates like Homeland Security
ThickAsThieves: and more freedoms removed
Adlai: "the only thing we have to fear is fear itself", but sadly that includes other people's fear
mircea_popescu: ah don't worry about that tat. you can always fuck a virgin and you'll be cured. or if not, one can make a proposal and publish it on tumblr.
mircea_popescu: there are so many ways to resolve problems now that we have the social media.
Adlai: it's amazing how the same remedies cure both aids and ebola
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
ThickAsThieves: cured of oppression by virgin
mircea_popescu: Adlai praise jeebus!
ThickAsThieves: i'm game i guess
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves ironically, that's the one thing where it does work.
mircea_popescu: but seriously : this machine which purports to remove freedoms, as if, and replace them with "rights", as if.
mircea_popescu: fuck your fiat rights lmao. hard freedoms!
mircea_popescu: usg: "you have the right to blablabla" cartman: "fuck you, i do what i want"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00074241 = 10.6907 BTC [+]
Adlai: usg: "respect my authoritah!"
ThickAsThieves: "Check out new CEX.IO wallpapers!"
ThickAsThieves: fukn wallpapers
mircea_popescu: cartman: "screw you guise, i'm going home"
ThickAsThieves: where the fuck is my qntra wallpapers
ThickAsThieves: maybe swol would be better
ThickAsThieves: mpex you slackin
mircea_popescu: they fell in between the server's ddorsal fins
mircea_popescu: wallpapers holy shit, we can't even afford a cascading ss.
mircea_popescu: and the typefaces are from the cheapo bin at the print shop
ThickAsThieves: Ethereum announced they hired new people to make a new website and new 'brand'
mircea_popescu: mwahjahha
ThickAsThieves: ttheyre like branded into the ground as is
mircea_popescu: where are all the people "interested" in lending me some to short ?
mircea_popescu: o, shit, i forgot. all their "investors" never actually existed. ooops.
ThickAsThieves: their update is ALL hirings
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you can write their next update yourself. so can i. if either of us do and we send it to qntra,
ThickAsThieves: maybe not all, i couldnt read to the end...
mircea_popescu: would it be news or would it not be news ?
ThickAsThieves: not news
Adlai: it's ingenious, you can't short something which doesn't exist
mircea_popescu: no, it would actually be news. inasmuch as we KNOW that's what's going to happen.
ThickAsThieves: prophesizing?
Adlai: new word: prophletizing
TomServo: prediction?
mircea_popescu: Adlai if you review the log, there was ev en a contract drawn for the purpose. and a bunch of people were gonna participate.
mircea_popescu: TomServo but it already happened.
Adlai: !s short ether
mircea_popescu: how is something that's a fact that idiots don't know anything but news ?
Adlai: prophletizing = making up prophecies for the purpose of prosletizing
mircea_popescu: that's not how you spell that.
ThickAsThieves: sorry mp, just cuz you haz confidence in your ability to predict what predictable will do, doesnt make your predictions news or fact
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves do you dispuite the ethereum "money" is already stolen at this point ?
ThickAsThieves: i wouldnt dare
mircea_popescu: seems you don't actually have an argument past empty formalism.
ThickAsThieves: formalism?
BingoBoingo: ;;isup qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is down
mircea_popescu: "do ity like this cause that's how it's done"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i knoe ;/
ThickAsThieves: so lets just skip formalities and settle some bitbets now
ThickAsThieves: i'm sure you KNOW the answers
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't dare.
mircea_popescu: but no, generally, i have nfi.
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mircea_popescu: tis true, whadda ya want from me.
Adlai: fucking ideas
ThickAsThieves: what we all want
ThickAsThieves: answers!
Adlai can't handle the truth tho
mircea_popescu: yeah well i have scant few of those and nobody seems to like 'em.
ThickAsThieves: well we're all here aint we
mircea_popescu: yeah, i guess that's a point.
Adlai is only here for the hookers and blow
mircea_popescu: ;;seen moiety
gribble: moiety was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 hours, 40 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <moiety> i have to go, it was nice to see yous
mircea_popescu: shit, scottie's back ?!
mircea_popescu: (tbh, irrespective of her manul infatuations, this is how i've always imagined moiety : http://secondhandscottie.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/20120427-141023.jpg )
Adlai: tl;dr of chomsky's interview: Had the people in the 1950s had been asked, "Do you want your taxes to go to development of the kind of technology that will allow your grandchildren to have iPads or do you want your taxes to go into a livable society? Health care, education, places where people can have decent lives? And so on. What would people have decided? Well, whatever the answer was, they didn't
Adlai: have an answer because they never had a choice.
mircea_popescu: this idea that "people" should have "a choice" is bullshit of the first degree.
mircea_popescu: they had all the choices they can meaningfully have. go to work or don't. read or don't read, beat your wife or don't beat your wife, whatever.
Adlai: eh, i don't think it has to be bullshit, it's just bullshit in the current way government is conducted
mircea_popescu: they made THOSE choices, and this is the result.
mircea_popescu: if it sucks, it's because they suck. that's all.
Adlai: if government were structured as a business selling services to citizens, they could choose what to "invest" in
mircea_popescu: Adlai we readily agree, provided by "current way government is conducted" you mean "pencil dicks who chiefly need the government to steal from others and give them part of the proceeds as a means of support derp about how to formalise choice"
mircea_popescu: what the fuck, "the answer was". chomsky conveniently forgets all the problems inherent in FORMALISNG these problems, in speech ?
ThickAsThieves: i gotta agree, if thats the TLDR of Chomsky's thing, it's useless babble at best
mircea_popescu: what is this, senility day, buffett structures his business so as to avoid tax then derps that he pays less than his secretary so his middle management shouild be taxed more
mircea_popescu: and chomsky proposes people be ASKED ?! like how, orally ?
ThickAsThieves: sounds like a horrible drunken philosophy conversation, inventing moments of choice in the past
mircea_popescu: he's not yet come up with a way to ask people how intelligent they are. what the fuck.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves exactly.
Adlai: my takeaway from it is that he's disappointed with how [his] government has mishandled tax money over the past decades, and disappointed in how "intellectuals" have been unable to steer government towards benefitting anybody other than aforementioned pencildicks
mircea_popescu: that's what "chomksy" means. "disappointed over how the people running his ideology apportion the proceeds of the theft that ideology entails"
Adlai: although i must say, they're not really pencildicked if they've managed to fool so many people so much of the time
ThickAsThieves: well how can we social media and seo while making important choices about the past?
mircea_popescu: Adlai that's what pencil dicks are : those who attempt to fool people as a means to existence.
mircea_popescu: see, they need to, because pencil dick.
Adlai: they're not just attempting though, they're vastly successful at it
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> that's what "chomksy" means. "disappointed over how the people running his ideology apportion the proceeds of the theft that ideology entails" /// i like that
mircea_popescu: Adlai yes, but failure is no defense.
Adlai: practically speaking, it doesn't matter if they're pencildicked or horsecocked, they're still raping our children
mircea_popescu: but anyway, alkl this aside, let's put to bed the "if government were structured as a business selling services to citizens, they could choose what to "invest" in" idiocy.
mircea_popescu: yes, they would.
ThickAsThieves: and theyd be wrong too
Adlai: well we probably wouldn't call it "government" at that point
mircea_popescu: well... the forum is investing, ain't it ?
mircea_popescu: the solution is to remove all the means to choice from the mass.
Adlai: we'd just call it "that company that handles my health insurance", or "that company that pays the garbage guy"
mircea_popescu: they shouldn't have money, or the vote, or for that matter be able to read at all.
ThickAsThieves: crowds are horrible at decisions
ThickAsThieves: exponentially too
mircea_popescu: they should find a master when old enough to interest anyone, and live thus, as slaves.
ThickAsThieves: even a 12-person board can ruin a company led by a masterful ceo
Adlai was toying the other day with an alternate world where everybody is born into indentured servitude, but can buy their way to freedom once they've saved up enough
mircea_popescu: Adlai something like that, but not exactly money based.
mircea_popescu: wot based.
ThickAsThieves: adlai watch The Black Mirror ep 2
ThickAsThieves: or In Time
mircea_popescu: when enough people trust you (people!!! not fucktards/slaves) you emancipate.
Adlai: In Time was a fantastically bad execution of an interesting idea
Adlai googles black mirror
ThickAsThieves: still fun to watch
ThickAsThieves: guilty, but i liked it
ThickAsThieves: Black Mirror is a much different take
ThickAsThieves: the whole series is cool
ThickAsThieves: but ep2 is best
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves is this the one with the cubical universe ?
Adlai: yes it's well-produced, lots of effects and sexy young actors. still a terrible movie.
mircea_popescu: some guy saves up and gives some chick his credits, she ends up bullied into pronz ?
mircea_popescu: no, i'm with adlai : HORRIBRU execution.
ThickAsThieves: he was talking about In Time
mircea_popescu: that should probably be redone, but with a sexploitation cast and perhaps tarantino in charge.
Adlai: and please, a better ending
ThickAsThieves: they both play on same concept though
ThickAsThieves: life credits
mircea_popescu: granted.
mircea_popescu: but srsly, i wouldn't do tokens.
Adlai: i'm fine with open ended philosophical movies having open ended philosophical endings
mircea_popescu: let it be wot trust, it's the correct solution.
Adlai: but action movies should have an ending that ends, period
mircea_popescu: not tokenisable.
mircea_popescu: Adlai thse shoulds are iffy.
danielpbarron: if assbot l2 goes under -10, you die?
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron no, you just shut the fuck up
Adlai: no, you just have to beg for food in a different irc channel
Adlai: isn't currency just a fungible trust system though?
mircea_popescu: not at all.
Adlai: it SHOULD be!
assbot: over 50 hours to sync localy Issue #3953 bitcoin/bitcoin GitHub
mircea_popescu: Adlai nope.
mircea_popescu: trust is not a scalar.
Adlai: is it binary? how would you quantify it?
ThickAsThieves: "This is well known, but swearing won't do anything except insult people and elicit responses like: If you think you can do better then do better."
mircea_popescu: "it drops local connections like a whore that's lost her crack pipe. something is badly broken and needs to be fixed urgently."
assbot: What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: A complete theory of economics pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
Apocalyptic: <Adlai> In Time was a fantastically bad execution of an interesting idea // pretty much
assbot: Linux kernel swear counts
Apocalyptic: if this is the film with Timberlake
ben_vulpes: Pierre_Rochard: clojure's mostly libs, less frameworks. the stack we use is http-kit for serving web apps, and datomic on postgres for data persistence.
Adlai: Apocalyptic: yes, timberlake and seyfried iirc
ben_vulpes: for API's we use liberator, which neatly takes all of the functions in a namespace and turns them into rest-y endpoints
Adlai reads a little
mike_c: "Not the place for neither profanity nor a discussion on profanity."
mike_c: hm.. "just do what i say and stfu"
mike_c: kiss my ass?
mircea_popescu: mike_c do you find rimming enjoyable ?
assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3FHHB3X.txt )
mike_c: my ass, not my asshole
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00074241 = 16.1103 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: wait, anyone actually means THAT !?
Adlai: what's the use
mircea_popescu: "here, kiss my elbow."
Adlai: "kiss my cheek" :* "no the other one"
mike_c: we should get this ivan frimmel guy in here, i like the way he yells at bitcoin devs.
mircea_popescu: :* "no, not up here, down there"
mircea_popescu: mike_c so send him a githubsocialmedia privatemessage
mike_c: on the other hand, he's all over the bfl forums
ThickAsThieves: “If people use bitcoin in a lazy, easily censorable way where they are reusing addresses – which were always intended to be one-time in the design of the system – then this creates a serious systemic risk in that someone might try to order nodes, developers, and/or miners to censor the system.” ~Maxwell
mircea_popescu: maxwell had NO PART in the design of "the system"
mircea_popescu: the fucking gall of these people.
ThickAsThieves: we means i when i want you to agree with me
mircea_popescu: incredible the sheer amount of slime bitcoin attracts, jesus.
assbot: Two Male Strippers Quarantined After Sitting Near Ebola Nurse on Plane
mircea_popescu: not even sure there's enough bile in the world to wash it all away
assbot: Time For A False Rape Accuser Registry | Chateau Heartiste
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes and i'm sure he's saying "here, this is the registry i made, contribute"
mircea_popescu: rather than the castrated "mother mary who thoust be in heavens in all glory and power, ready my letter of what i would like to see and DO IT"
ben_vulpes: no no, it's definitely a prayer
ThickAsThieves: so it's basically a list of women that are safe to rape?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves if he had any balls, yes.
mircea_popescu: but then he'd be stuck quoting trilema instead of pretending like he's his own thing, so...
assbot: Re-Proposal - preserve freedom of choice of init systems
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes they let anyone into alphadom dese dayz.
BingoBoingo: ^Debian reconsidering systemd
mircea_popescu: "IMO developments since March show that the concerns put forward then
mircea_popescu: were well-founded. Following discussions elsewhere including -devel I
mircea_popescu: have received enough offers of seconds by private email."
mircea_popescu: o noes, systemd gets fucked ? awww.
BingoBoingo: Well it isn't certain yet.
mircea_popescu: the only thing certain in this world is the death of governments.
BingoBoingo: Obola is looking pretty certain
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00074039 = 12.3645 BTC [-] {3}
Adlai: mircea_popescu: thank you for recommending a tv series which i can finish in a single weekend
mircea_popescu: which ?!
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: lol "the alpha board"
mats_cd03: i am curious what percentage of eth is recycled USG cents and duped chumps
Adlai: black mirror
mats_cd03: i know a few doods that 'invested' in eth because 'its a good idea' and 'i want to hedge if it becomes huge'
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 i guess you need better doods lol.
mircea_popescu: Adlai i thought ThickAsThieves recommended that.
mats_cd03: exposure to doods is inevitable on irc :(
Adlai: ah lol your nicks are the same length
Adlai: thank you ThickAsThieves :)
ThickAsThieves: it was actually recommended to me by someone else here, and then when i watched it, i realized i had already seen it when it aired
ThickAsThieves: mp would probly like ep1
ThickAsThieves: bbc just makes some great short series
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 exposure to kids that make all sorts of claims, of having banged a bunch of chicks, of having bought a bunch of fish etc idem.
ThickAsThieves: check out The Fades too if you like creepy stuff Adlai
mircea_popescu: Adlai are you one of those unfortunate souls that prefers to watch than to read ?
ThickAsThieves: well you can do both yknow
mircea_popescu: can i be an asshole just this once and bother people ?
Pierre_Rochard: ben_vulpes: thank you, this looks like a sane version of the node/mongo stack, I’ll dig in
ThickAsThieves: not with me around!
ThickAsThieves: luckily, i'm off for a while, toodaloo
Adlai: i'd actually rather read, which is why i don't like tv series that last for dozens of hours
Adlai: o/
Adlai: HIMYM and BrBa were great for wasting hours in the army but i try and waste time productively these days
ben_vulpes: Pierre_Rochard: there's really not much similarity between js/lisp and mongo/datomic
ben_vulpes: lisp is lisp and datomic is a persistant prologish fact store with time built in
mircea_popescu: ;;ud himym
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=HIMYM | Acronym for the TV show, How I Met Your Mother. ... Hey, did you check out last night's episode of HIMYM? by teegee87 October 13, 2007. 353 65. Merch ...
mircea_popescu: ;;ud brba
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=brba | ... Brazzing · brazzle · Brazzu · brb · brb2 · BRB2mins2secs · BRB52 · brba · brb aids · brbasaif · brbats · brbb · brb basement · brb bb · brbbc ... brba isn't defined.
Adlai: breaking bad
mircea_popescu: is this the one with the old guy chemist that joins some derpy kid and they make meth ?
Adlai: yes
Adlai: it's a good show, as far as shows go
mats_cd03: i had a burger today with grass fed beef fried in beer batter with bacon and spicy mayo
mats_cd03: im probably going to have a stroke next year but s'ok
mircea_popescu: from a burger ?
mircea_popescu: you should see what they eat here.
mats_cd03: i also had a side of poutine with pork belly
mats_cd03: mighta been 2400cals in all
Adlai: yeah, you're fucked
assbot: Sources: SEC Investigation of "Alex Green" Underway - Coin Fire
ThickAsThieves: "On October 9th Coin Fire received information from a source inside the US SEC that Moopay LTD along with seven other cryptocurrency companies were under active investigation for unregistered securities in the cryptocurrency world. "
ThickAsThieves: "On October 10th, we received a second confirmation of the information and an updated list showing that several companies while under active investigation have been placed on the back burner so that forensic accountants brought in from the IRS and other federal agencies to begin combing through the information."
Adlai: my uncle used to work at the SEC
mircea_popescu: "Coin Fire was first made aware of this investigation on October 14th but officials with the SEC and the Department of Justice actively informed our editorial team to not jeopardize current investigations. However, as new information has come to light and a third source stepped forward with further information our editors now feel compelled to begin publishing information."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00074065 = 4.1476 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: so are they waiting for late tax filings to go after people?
mircea_popescu: um... i kinda have my doubts.
Adlai: had lunch with him a few weeks ago, he's very curious about all this decentralized stuff, in the best kind of curiosity
Adlai: wtf is "forensic accounting"
mircea_popescu: coinfire guy has terrible prose, but anyway.
ThickAsThieves: are there even 7 businesses offering securities?
Adlai: forensics should involve test tubes and blood, not sifting through numbers
ThickAsThieves: forensic accounting is finding evidence to support your pre-determined conclusion
mircea_popescu: so basically this thing reads to me like, "we've read about this on reddit, here's a re-narration of events that makes us sound important"
ThickAsThieves: can the SEC even tell someone not to share info?
ThickAsThieves: particularly a reporter?
ben_vulpes: oh guys guys i found the worst thing ever
mircea_popescu: the sec can try all sorts of things, but why would it talk to some derpy nobody snipping at the edges is unclear.
mircea_popescu: i suppose this is all mp butthurt, next the twobit idiot is going to want to claim "o noes, teh sec is talking to me in my sleeps!!1"
mircea_popescu: and so it goes, 2015 will be the year of that set of lolz.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves anyway, to revisit that yest discussion : THIS isn't news.
Adlai: i hope it's more successful than the "year of multisig"
mircea_popescu: it fails to even state a claim.
Adlai: ben_vulpes: why do you do this to my tender mind
ThickAsThieves: it was news to me
ThickAsThieves: even if it was in fact passed down
mircea_popescu: what, specifically ?
mircea_popescu: the guy was arrested, it was all over.
ThickAsThieves: that SEC gave a shit about moolah and 7 companies are under investigation and SEC tries to tell people to shut up
mircea_popescu: o, i was just discounting all that.
mircea_popescu: ok, if you take those, yeah, i guess it is news.
ThickAsThieves: one man's discount...
Adlai: are the SEC targeting Moolah for being scammy shysters, or just for running an unregistered business?
mircea_popescu: cool, so perhaps qntra should run a piece about how whoever nobody from coinfire divulged today that coinfire is in the posession of signed letters by the sec demanding they do not publish information.
Adlai was actually pleased about the SEC investigating pirate's scam
mircea_popescu: then watch the adjustments, retractions and "taking of full responsibilities" come pouring in.
mircea_popescu: devthedev im not voicing you, because last time i did you linkbombed and i dun see the benefit.
kakobrekla: <ben_vulpes> http://lino-framework.org/index.html < yes i had the unpleasure to work with ExtJS and Sencha Touch
assbot: The Lino framework — The Lino framework
ben_vulpes: <Adlai> ben_vulpes: why do you do this to my tender mind << welcome to assets
assbot: The problem of claims pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22709 @ 0.00074087 = 16.8244 BTC [+] {3}
TheNewDeal: ;;nethash
gribble: 249486041.351
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 325751 | Current Difficulty: 3.500248202613323E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 326591 | Next Difficulty In: 840 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 3 hours, 9 minutes, and 11 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35874185573.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 2.4904
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 326825.17 in 74 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -82.60
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 956.12 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 0 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.79 TH/s
TheNewDeal: this an accurate translation, or is it butchered by AI - Wittgenstein , " Whereof one can not speak, thereof one must be silent
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00074103 = 6.2988 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21450 @ 0.0007409 = 15.8923 BTC [-] {2}
Adlai: sometimes fixing merge conflicts can be therapeutic
ben_vulpes: seeing merge conflicts in client code makes me more comfortable with my rates
ben_vulpes: client *commits* to *master*
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal no that's pretty much it.
mircea_popescu: good idea to read the thing it comes from tho.,
ThickAsThieves: tol, what qntra was simply a private news site, and you had to buy subscription and be in wot to have IPs cleared
ThickAsThieves: or some version of that
ThickAsThieves: oh it's up
jurov: and dns is still cached here
mircea_popescu: !up Decima|
mircea_popescu: jurov dc crew went gangbuster, new server is early.
mircea_popescu: ;;isup qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is up
assbot: President Obama's Credit Card Was Declined
mircea_popescu: lol usg running out of cash ?
ThickAsThieves: certainly running out of credit
devthedev: Ha, Obama: 'No really, I think that I’ve, uh, been paying my bills.’
ThickAsThieves: file under: shoulda used bitcoin
asciilifeform: ceremonial object.
ThickAsThieves: yknow what, fuck any website that embeds Gravity ad widgets
mircea_popescu: or disqus.
bounce: huh. so, to combat fraud they're going to heap even more sensitive personal information in some database or other
ThickAsThieves: and better track your spending and travel behavior
ThickAsThieves: oh, tat's just in amsterdam again, it's cool!
devthedev: mircea_popescu: I agree that the Gravity ad platform is retarded but what's wrong with Disqus?
asciilifeform: 'fraud' -> thoughtcrime, blackmarketeering, republikflucht.
bounce: disqus has its tentacles everywhere and is a steaming heap of slow js
mircea_popescu: devthedev "give us your comments! for free! " ?
mircea_popescu: what's wrong with it ?
ThickAsThieves: i kinda like the disqus concept tbh, i wish there was a bitcoin/namecoin/wot version
mircea_popescu: same thing that's wrong with cloudflare, and with all the rest of the crap ruining the web
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves why!
mircea_popescu: "centralize all the things" ?
ThickAsThieves: why a crypto version?
bounce: one namecoin per comment please
mircea_popescu: bounce no, better yet. "the MTA has turned off comments on blogs because reasons"
mircea_popescu: stop giving idiots power.
ThickAsThieves: i have no power over whether i cna comment on a website regardless
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves not the point.
ThickAsThieves: they cna just rmeove the option
ThickAsThieves: it's the point you made
mircea_popescu: yes, but they have to do it individually.
bounce: $site will just 403 anyone coming in on tor because the spamblocking system on the commenting system doesn't take half measures
devthedev: The point is the centralization?
mircea_popescu: devthedev centralization in wrong hands.
ThickAsThieves: ok but i meant to highlught the concept of having a crypto version tho
mircea_popescu: i could see if it centralized in my own hands. but centralizing it in the hands of the enemies of everything that's nice and good in this world, the ycombinator crowd ?
mircea_popescu: i'd rathe eat dirt.
ThickAsThieves: yeah sure fuk whoever at disqus think sthey can get money outta the arrangement
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves so then you like the concept for everything the concept isn't ?
ThickAsThieves: the concept of a spec'd way to comment on websites with one account?
ThickAsThieves: maybe of a way to auth on any website with one account?
mircea_popescu: so basically you're talking pluggable identity ?
bounce: didn't we already have a sackton of "SSO" trickery for websites?
mircea_popescu: bounce has it.
ThickAsThieves: dunno SSO
ThickAsThieves: ;;google SSO
gribble: Single sign-on - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_sign-on>; Enterprise Software Initiatives SSO : Logon: <https://sso.tamus.edu/>; SSO: Summary for ProShares Ultra S&P500- Yahoo! Finance: <http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=SSO>
ThickAsThieves: well we have ebough of centralized evil SSO, yeah probly
ThickAsThieves: disqus is good enough therein
mircea_popescu: i still don't see what's the advantage of "go everywhere with an identity provided by a 3rd party"
ThickAsThieves: the advantage is keychaining a lifestyle that uses 10 3rd parties as is
mircea_popescu: sure, it saves you from interacting with various people. which, you know, if that's the goal why are you commenting.
asciilifeform: plus lamers like 'remember 1 pw instead of 11111 !'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform isn't this eminently a local config issue tho ? give people scripts to just do it locally.
asciilifeform: scripts on what.
mircea_popescu: not like browsers aren't extensible and whatnot.
ThickAsThieves: in the current sense, yes, but if decentralized wouldnt it be a way to purposefully maintain a continuity in your online identity?
asciilifeform: mr lamer owns 111 devices, 110 aren't scriptable in any sense
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves my point being that this is something you solve client side not server side.
asciilifeform: the last is, but in visual basic
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how is this an argument lol
asciilifeform: a pathologoanatomic diagnosis
mircea_popescu: "some people connect to internet through brooms, or try to" ?!
asciilifeform: not argument.
asciilifeform: 'patient lacks arms'
ThickAsThieves: like adding password keychain to the bitcoin wallet app
bounce: so you're saying that dumbing down and appliancification breeds more of same
mircea_popescu: there's no advantage to trying to hide hardware deffects in software
ThickAsThieves: if you can auth into the wallety you can auto log into wherever using the bitcoin web browser
mircea_popescu: quite the contrary, such a programming paradigm is immoral.
asciilifeform: virtually everything that passes for 'software' in three+ decades is precisely this.
asciilifeform: duct tape over hardware defects.
bounce: fixing that is going to be expensive though. means rebuilding lots of stuff from the ground up. n'mind that the current tide is that of "oh we'll fix it in software nohow"
mircea_popescu: bounce last i heard, the usg was throwing money into the street because "gotta spend"
asciilifeform: like every disagreement with physical reality, this one will make itself felt
mircea_popescu: since when is expensive a counterargument?
mircea_popescu: what is this, the 80s and fucking reagan ?
asciilifeform: and the harder derps run, the more painful the gravel in the face will be.
bounce: nothing ended up here. could use a bit of bezzle. say, to build a harder-to-snoop phone.
asciilifeform: bounce, mircea_popescu: not a money problem. the 'fix' is not available off the shelf.
mircea_popescu: see, people go "o, anything obama does you hate him for it"
mircea_popescu: yes, we do. and bush too, and so on and so forth
mircea_popescu: mysteriously, "everything" they do never includes a "we wil spend one trillion dollars to fix our software-hardware. all of it."
mircea_popescu: try that, see who hates you then. but no, they';ve tried "everything" : banged head on wall, sat on hot stove, kicked shin against all corners.... nothing in this house works
mircea_popescu: worst house ever!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no need for trillion. 10^7 would suffice - but it'd have to be spent on doubleplusungood crimethinkers, and that's a no-go.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25288 @ 0.00074053 = 18.7265 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: fuck that shit. war on drugs, poverty, people far away that don't like us and think we're stupid...
mircea_popescu: shit, how about a war on bad software and hardware ?
mircea_popescu: unlike the foregoing, these ARENT rules of the fucking world.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they had one. microshit won the contract.
asciilifeform: and we know the rest.
bounce: don't need a war either. just bring together the means.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17937 @ 0.00073944 = 13.2633 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: i shit thee not, ms winblows is one of the two (afaik) nsa-approved os.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not that dude. when they wanted to send a guy to the moon they didn't give gm "the contract"
asciilifeform: the other being a mystery meat by 'green hills corp.'
bounce: some bezzle, gather together the people that can do the block-building, ship'em off to shenzen, open-source the results
mircea_popescu: if they had, the soviets would still be a thing, painting the moon red
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw, know the moon painting joke ?
asciilifeform: moon, incidentally, is trivial in comparison.
mircea_popescu: yes, itis. but it didn't USE TO BE
mircea_popescu: do you know why ?
mircea_popescu: fucking kennedy. once it's done it's trivial.
mircea_popescu: before it's done it can't be done.
mircea_popescu: ask any virgin.
bounce: that's some seriously ambitious necrophilia
mircea_popescu: my words! they has been taken out of context! and given unforeseen boners!
mircea_popescu: but anyway, that's why the entire "press" derped and ocasionally still derps about kennedy = us royalty. becauise that guy was the last us president to go "fuck you, do something useful with your time"
mircea_popescu: that is the royal superbity.
asciilifeform: my point was that 'moonshot' is fundamentally different from problem at hand
asciilifeform: in that it decomposes into work for an army of people
bounce: plenty people to do work in this world
mircea_popescu: so does this.
thestringpuller: !s qntra
asciilifeform: this - doesn't decompose.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform o yes it does. let's take the smallest part of it.
mircea_popescu: "i want a complete report on every tcp/ip implementation out there. by hand. line by line comparison of all versions ever made"
mircea_popescu: how many people ?
mircea_popescu: how do you think my intel works ?
asciilifeform: we're back to reviewing c crud again.
mircea_popescu: it has to be reviewed.
asciilifeform: fly to the moon by stacking chairs, yes.
asciilifeform: no - burned.
mircea_popescu: FIRST reviewed.
asciilifeform: and the ashes buried in chernoble.
mircea_popescu: you understand this ? anecdotic agreement by wizard x with wizard y is not how you fly to the moon.
mircea_popescu: it's how you write chinese literature.
thestringpuller: ;;isup trilema.com
gribble: trilema.com is up
asciilifeform: well, aside from wizards, you fly by understanding that you need a vehicle other than oxcarts
asciilifeform: one that, can, say, exert thrust vertically, for starters
thestringpuller: is the dns repropagating or something?
TheNewDeal: It's working for me
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller yes.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller is the watchdog of democracy over here.
asciilifeform: one does not take flight by ordering every horse, ox, pig in the empire, assessed for suitability for flight
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that understanding is built on reports.
mircea_popescu: o no ? how do you know that ?
asciilifeform: how do i know that my arse does not contain monkeys?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly.
bounce: every time one flies out you conclude you're safe now
mircea_popescu: you don't understand the network effects. once the entire fucking country is engrossed in throwing chattel around,
mircea_popescu: people start fucking listening to people who have better solutions.
mircea_popescu: this is what government does : it provides a base. it doesn't provide solutions
mircea_popescu: it provides good fucking reasons for people to come up with solutions, and right now.
asciilifeform: and it might be important to ask, what qualifies as 'having' the better solution
mircea_popescu: that it flies.
asciilifeform: does it need to be gift-wrapped for the taking?
asciilifeform: what if it takes actual resources, for example.
mircea_popescu: anything as long as it's not throwing more pigs around.
asciilifeform: nah it'll be pigs.
mircea_popescu: no it won't. how long do you think people can spend reading shitty c/c++ tcp/ip implementations before they give up their idiocy like the plague ?
mircea_popescu: the only reason it even exists atm is because nobody's forcing anyone to read it.
asciilifeform: how i know? my estimation, three people who can crap out the answer. one's a schizophrenic, far gone, other's me, who works 3 jobs, and the third is probably too old already.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, suppose your job for the next ten years, and you know this, now, is to read 29 different turds and report.
mircea_popescu: wouldn't you just forget about it, hit the bottle, and then write a proper fucking thing ?
thestringpuller: no just annoyed i can't get legit information because hooligans are butthurt
asciilifeform: if could get away with it, yes.
mircea_popescu: who's to stop you.
asciilifeform: number of hours in the clock?
mircea_popescu: something's not getting through here./
mircea_popescu: let's try the great patriotic war, maybe that's a better knob. so... is that also a "doesn't decompose" sort of task ?
asciilifeform: decomposes beautifully.
asciilifeform: at least, most of it
asciilifeform: job of being, e.g., zhukov - doesn't.
mircea_popescu: so... everything except the problem at hand ?
mircea_popescu: but we're not discussing the job of being zhukov
mircea_popescu: because being zhukov is post facto
mircea_popescu: the job of having been zhukov does decompose.
asciilifeform: my argument, for many years, is, roughly 'it has to fit in a head.'
mircea_popescu: more importantly : the war didn't work like, one day there was a zhukov, and he went hey, what if we had the germans attack us, so they i could be really cool ?
asciilifeform: not surprised if nobody agrees - i think i've yet to meet anyone who does (other, than, possibly, chuck moore, and i haven't asked him in person - only read him)
mircea_popescu: on the contrary. the way it worked was that the germans attacked, stalin commited, and a zhukov emerged.
mircea_popescu: out of a million slaughtered, lanky, blonde russian kids.
asciilifeform: gedankenexperiment
mircea_popescu: that "stalin comitted" point is fucking important
asciilifeform: picture if, instead of zhukov, there was this kid who knew how to build death ray.
mircea_popescu: western world has nobdy capable of comitment today
mircea_popescu: 's call him tesla.
asciilifeform: as in, complete blueprints, drawn up b/w tractor runs
asciilifeform: ok we're on the same page. so we know how it ends.
asciilifeform: he retires to feed pigeons, if lucky
mircea_popescu: what was the public comitment at the time of tesla ?
asciilifeform: death ray becomes a byword for implausible fictional tech.
mircea_popescu: war on alcohol, right ?
asciilifeform: lol yes
mircea_popescu: well how is this an argument for oyu ?
asciilifeform: but also ww1.
mircea_popescu: seems an argument for me.
asciilifeform: in which precisely no one took interest in death rays.
mircea_popescu: ww1, the war notoriously named by gallup poll ?
mircea_popescu: these may be arguments, maybe, but they're not arguments for your side here.
asciilifeform: plenty of tech investment there, though
asciilifeform: just - in well-understood, fungible things.
mircea_popescu: not my point, the investmentr
mircea_popescu: if you ask the us, it does "plenty of investment" today too.
mircea_popescu: adding columns of numbers is great for accountants.
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mircea_popescu: the motherfucking point of leadership is to provide... leadership. wow!
mircea_popescu: to say "by the end of the decade - man on moon" is substantially different from "hey, we're spending some moneys on some things"
bounce: you're talking about the "have a vision" part
mircea_popescu: it'd definitely fix the us problem, which is a purely credibility problem.
asciilifeform: what i was suggesting is, that it is very difficult (not impossible, but close to it) to get people to shake off design-space constraints when it jumps costs by orders of magnitude.
mircea_popescu: if the obola was out there, "by the end of this decade we will have actually functional computers, this shit is ridiculous"
bounce: which requires having something to say, an idea of where we are and where we should be going, organise how we're going to get there
mircea_popescu: he could again borrow as much as he could possibly spend.
mircea_popescu: from the chinese first of all.
asciilifeform: it's not like convincing folks to drink 'cyanide koolaid' - it's like convincing them to drink sulfuric acid. (who? management specifically. of any nation.)
mircea_popescu: bounce duh. yes, to have leadership one requires leadership.
asciilifeform: imagine der fuhrer knocks on my door;
asciilifeform: and we sit down for tea, and i tell him we have to use... ternary
asciilifeform: and that not a single line of code ever written, from babbage to today, can be used as is - or even with mild combing.
bounce: yes, duh, but *looks around at various governments* apparently not so duh.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude. her fuhrer had people do a) rocketry. b) airplanes powered by hydrazine ; c) rommel in africa looking for the holy grail
mircea_popescu: are you fucking kidding me or what ?1
mircea_popescu: bounce kinda the irony of the situation.
asciilifeform: s/der fuhrer/mein fuhrer
mircea_popescu: that'd be my fucking point, innit.
bounce sets mode +strangelove on user asciilifeform for channel #bitcoin-assets
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> see, people go "o, anything obama does you hate him for it" <<
bounce: it's a bit morisette on the scale of irony though
bounce: s/ise/isse/
mircea_popescu: <bounce> which requires having something to say, an idea of where we are and where we should be going, organise how we're going to get there <<< also don't neglect the ever essential part that someone somewhere may call you a cult leader!
mircea_popescu: plus, all sorts of special interest groups will be infairly umpacted or something.
asciilifeform checked mailbox, no bag of gold from fuhrer wanting death ray.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform try again tomorro!
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> and that not a single line of code ever written, from babbage to today, can be used as is - or even with mild combing. <<< all the skills needed to drive carriages, honed at the significant expense of sweat and often blood by the original wells fargo corporation
mircea_popescu: now - gone! GONE!
mircea_popescu: all the music that didn't fit notation, developed at huge cost of time during times of frequent famine ... gone
mircea_popescu: it happens. all that's needed is... leadership.
asciilifeform: happens. yes.
mircea_popescu: well that's the extend of the discussion. what's stopping mr "nobel prize" from being it ?
mircea_popescu: whatever it is, he ain't it. that's why people object. not because he's black, and not just because he's stupid.
mircea_popescu: but because he's a leaderless leader.
mircea_popescu: got nothing interesting to say. snore.
asciilifeform: predecessors who pissed away the throne's authority also did not help.
mircea_popescu: checking again tomorrow.
mircea_popescu: fuck that.
mircea_popescu: dude, who asked kennedy if he inherited the best throne he could have ?
mircea_popescu: there is no situation fubar enough as to render leadership powerless.
thestringpuller: is it just me or am I seeing more commercials with banks introducing "p2p payments"
mircea_popescu: how about napoleon ? better string of predecessors pissing away throne could scarcely be devised.
thestringpuller: i.e. you send someone money via email or something with their app
asciilifeform: can you picture an actual human (much less true leader) climbing on that particular throne today?
asciilifeform: (via the usual mechanism, no coup etc)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i can imagine all sorts of things.
asciilifeform: i can also imagine. e.g., strategic guided monkeys rocketing from my arse
asciilifeform: but - in practice.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i dun see that many commercials.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you asked if i can imagine.
undata: anyone that wants to innovate socially might have to get off earth to do so
mircea_popescu: because why ?
undata: that's what I was poorly articulating yesterday, thinking it unlikely that one could either hide from or commandeer the vast pile of weapons and thugs manning them
mircea_popescu: why do you think weapons are needed at all ?
undata: I think they'll always have them.
undata: spaceflight gives you the option of "stupidly far away"
mircea_popescu: this is so broken.
undata: mircea_popescu: the leaders (obama) you're decrying are vetted by the guys on the pile of weapons
undata: what is broken?
mircea_popescu: the proposition that space flight creates somehow independence.
mircea_popescu: how the shit is this supposed to work ? if you don't have the ability to control anything, how are you going to own the industrial processes makin space flight possible ?
ThickAsThieves: pretty much amounts to, if i could be a god on another planet, everything would be my way
mircea_popescu: the most loyal subjects of each european crown were the respective colonies. for fucking centuries.
mircea_popescu: because well... it's a colony. it depends on its mother.
mircea_popescu: and if there were some guys on a pile of weapons somewhere, who then could vet anything,
mircea_popescu: they'd come up with something a little better than derpobama.
mircea_popescu: only crowdsourcing can explain this level of fuming stupidity, i'm affraid.
undata: he makes no important decisions
mircea_popescu: this does not amount to "someone else does"
mircea_popescu: anyway, this entire "fix the computers" thing is just a random example.
mircea_popescu: week ago we were discussing the "iraq will be the 51st us state"
mircea_popescu: also a project. there's no shortage of projects, it's not like you can either pick "go to moon" or nothing.
bounce was just thinking, a real crisis tends to bring out the real leadership (if available). then so there's people like the skull+bones fraternity that believe the people are happiest when there's something to fight for, so they promote perpetual war(s on stuff) (and gotten the likes of dubya on the throne). and, well, the people're getting sick of it because weak leadership.
mircea_popescu: which is why i said earlier, why;d the gunpile be integral.
mircea_popescu: i used to have one, don't particularly miss it.
ThickAsThieves: which is why when real leadership is needed for ebola, obama stepped aside and appointed a czar
jurov has an idea to "fix the computers".. just put together a fund to become highest bidder for botnets
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves except the "czar" is a nobody.
jurov: immediately after,buying, issue rm -rf /
mircea_popescu: jurov not a bad idea at all, the first part.
ThickAsThieves: well she;s a scapegoat
mircea_popescu: the second... meh.
bounce: the likes of redmond could do that, plenty cash. instead they're abusing the legal system with ex partes
mircea_popescu: ;;isup qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is up
mircea_popescu: dude is this like a record ?
mircea_popescu: bounce redmond who ?
bounce: the wired news rehash yesterday about no-ip.com
mircea_popescu: bounce no, my point is, the likes of popescu. mircea popescu. the likes of redmon ? redmond who ?
undata: ThickAsThieves: the above was more like "when a new continent is found, the new inhabitants sometimes try things a bit differently in regards to government"
undata: s/new/inhabited by people who are no match/
mircea_popescu: undata for my curiosity, be a darling and narrate the boston tea party ?
BingoBoingo: I hear Redmond I think Microshit
thestringpuller: i think nintendo
thestringpuller: nintendo of america
Adlai thinks DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS
mircea_popescu: well whatever you think, you're not thinking as person, therefore not a sovereign, therefore nevermind.
bounce throws a chair into the discussion
Adlai is thinking as a drunk
Adlai: drunks are people too!
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assbot: Flaite apaleado en la micro (Concepcin) 2014 - YouTube
mthreat: a failed thief on a bus in Chile.
mthreat: bus driver locks him in and beats him with a bat
mthreat: as he drives him to the police station
mircea_popescu: mthreat ahahaah
mthreat: i wish they did that here
mthreat: instead, they make them national heroes
cazalla: ThickAsThieves: i haz a post i wanna give them dibs on <<< if you've posted it to your own site, i don't see much point in qntra mirroring it
undata: mircea_popescu: prized import destroyed by angry colonists not wanting the "over there" making decisions "over here" without their involvement
undata: tea act, taxation/representation, etc
cazalla: i gave you a retweet though TaT
bounce: "NGOs" doesn't take an apostrophe, btw
ThickAsThieves: yeah i just got antsy, sry
ThickAsThieves: may i tweet that?
mircea_popescu: go ahead
mthreat: I thought it was "I'm fucking matt damon"
mthreat: if it's referring to the sarah silverman skit
cazalla: looks photoshopped
mircea_popescu: cazalla it's legit. i can tell by some pixels.
ThickAsThieves: there goes my cred of getting retweets from my serious blog article earlier!
mircea_popescu: what, on twitter ?
ThickAsThieves: got 11 retweets
ThickAsThieves: i git dat social currency nao
mircea_popescu: buy yourself a rabbit
mircea_popescu: to put on your head.
ThickAsThieves: i pwefer wabbit
BingoBoingo: Also pancake to go on rabbit's head when on your head ThickAsThieves
ThickAsThieves: and shoe on top of pancake or underneath?
ThickAsThieves: lol i got 1 rt for the dorian pic already
ThickAsThieves: i bet it wins
assbot: /coinbase does charles "coblee" lee's autism make him difficult to work with at the office?
assbot: Europes Hidden Ebola Cases - The Daily Beast
cazalla: that's me ThickAsThieves , don't be racist
ThickAsThieves: i just liked teh tweet!
cazalla: you said black
ThickAsThieves: i said it silently tho!
assbot: Slavery : the best thing for you. No, seriously. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: ninja_alt +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -4
ThickAsThieves: oh is that new?
mircea_popescu: i was just writing it
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TheNewDeal: !s sd
assbot: I'm fucking Matt Damon - YouTube
mircea_popescu: well, im an old man, my popknowledge is... weak.
assbot: Ethereum ASIC-resistant PoW spec - Google Docs
Adlai: All algorithms are defined via Python code in order to… provide a working implementation… This function will not be fully written here
Adlai: "this function is left as an exercise to the sucker"
mircea_popescu: "guys, i have a great idea for a thing. here it is : function greatidea(); <stuff> return;"
undata: masters write the function headers, slaves implement
mircea_popescu: that's how the function names end up being _____BgFkShit___1()
kakobrekla: i use impossibly long function and var names when im coding pissed off.
undata: descriptive is good
BingoBoingo: undata: No, he just pads with FUFUFUFUFUFUFUUFUFUFUFUFU
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla now we know how your indictment will read
mircea_popescu: "your honor, his entire plan of terrorism can be read as function headers"
kakobrekla: i guess so
kakobrekla: i guess source must never leak nao
jurov: kakobrekla rot13 all identifiers
undata: also add underscores
kakobrekla: its not about making it unreadable but more of french cursing inspiration leaking in
undata: that means they're secret
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assbot: LibreSSL 2.1.0 Released
jurov: use google translator then
mircea_popescu: BURN HIM
assbot: Tommy Lee - The Roast of Pamela Anderson - YouTube
mircea_popescu: totally fucken drunk courtney love.
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mircea_popescu: ;;isup qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is up
mircea_popescu: fuck, shit's back to being boring.
mircea_popescu: why does nothing last in this world ;/
TheNewDeal: Everything is up? This is good news.
TheNewDeal: Boring when it's all down, at least from my pov
mircea_popescu: yeah, well, you're a lover not a fighter.
TheNewDeal: I love to fight
mircea_popescu: o hey, here we go, guy's back! cool.
bounce: want medical records? soonish you can just buy uk medical records of anyone who didn't think to "opt out": http://www.theregister.co.uk/Print/2014/10/17/gp_records_soon_wide_open_gp_open_data_really_is_open_just_walk_into_a_safe_haven/
assbot: GP records soon wide open again: Just walk into a safe haven The Register
mircea_popescu: bounce what's the argument for their secrecy again ?
Apocalyptic: <gribble> qntra.net is up // I get a 403
bounce: sensitive personal details thrown out in public? surely there can be no argument against that.
asciilifeform: 'The corpse of a British man who died in Macedonia is being flown to Frankfurt for Ebola testing.' << for testing, small vial of corpse juice ought to suffice, no? what's the purpose of shipping the entire carcass...?
mircea_popescu: bounce so is the argument that disease is personal ?
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic possibly because you need to flush dns ?
Adlai: corpse juice!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a possible explanation : flying the whole thing relieves the family of the cost to fly a corpse (20-30k or so)
asciilifeform: still only half way to 'blighty'
Adlai: shit yes why are corpses so expensive to fly
Adlai: can't they just fly coach like a normal person
asciilifeform: ;;google cargo 200
gribble: Cargo 200 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_200>; Cargo 200 (film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_200_(film)>; Cargo 200 (2007) - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0847880/>
Apocalyptic: mircea, indeed, fixed
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mircea_popescu: Adlai it's like 1/4 ton with all the lead required etc.
bounce: why yes, disease affects the person; information about the disease can do the same thing again, and again, and again. so throwing it out for all to see isn't something doctors typically did, and when it inadvertedly happens, it's a big scandal. so the government elevating "sharing" medical details to the new standard just because they went all digital is a bit of a deviation from custom.
bounce: s/to the/to be the/
mircea_popescu: bounce how far does this extend ? the fact that i know you're fair haired gives me the power to say "blondie"
mircea_popescu: in short : everything worth talking about "affects the person"
bounce: the fact that your insurer knows you've been ill lately gives them the power to raise their rates on you
mircea_popescu: the person has no indemnity against "being affected"
mircea_popescu: so what's the problem with that ?
bounce: it's a subversion from how insurance is supposed to work
bounce: as such, an abuse of power
mircea_popescu: wait wait.
mircea_popescu: you are objectively more expensive to insure. reflecting this in the cost of insurance is a subversion ?
asciilifeform: casino.
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asciilifeform: folks expect insurance to be at least a vegas-grade casino
asciilifeform: house edge - ok; weighted wheel - not
mircea_popescu: i dun get it.
mircea_popescu: if you do this, why not forbid public maps ?
asciilifeform: well, they'll walk into a casino, but not a 'leave yer money here house' typically.
asciilifeform: gotta be a sporting chance.
mircea_popescu: that way insurers won';t be able to tell the difference in flood insurance between kansas and louisiana
asciilifeform: usg works this kind of scheme.
mircea_popescu: but THAT is the abuse.
asciilifeform: tornados, too
asciilifeform: and people continue to build in godforsaken death zones, yes.
asciilifeform: dan mocsny had a thread about this.
asciilifeform: imagine if we knew precisely when each man would die. would we give up on the concept of life insurance? or would it turn into a ludicrous farce.
asciilifeform: propped up by force of the king.
mircea_popescu: i have no idea.
asciilifeform: that's precisely the thing. and pertains to earlier thread, too. people are reluctant to let go, destroy, demolish.
asciilifeform: well, concepts, anyway
mircea_popescu: well no, not people.
asciilifeform: cities - fine. concepts - no.
mircea_popescu: what's left of people after 70 years of selection for derpitude.
asciilifeform: well yes, these. 'the army you have.'
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mircea_popescu: fortunately destruction is an easy enough task
asciilifeform telegrams mars to ship new set of people.
mircea_popescu: now THAT fits in one head alright
assbot: ClubOrlov: The Wheel of Misfortune
mircea_popescu: ;;google wheel of morality
gribble: Animaniacs - Wheel of Morality Compilation - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv6IWX1_XHQ>; Wheel of Morality - Animaniacs Wiki: <http://animaniacs.wikia.com/wiki/Wheel_of_Morality>; Animaniacs - Wikiquote: <http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Animaniacs>
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he doesn't know the juicy details that fate was held as more powerful than zeus.
asciilifeform: i suspect - knows.
mircea_popescu: and it's moira, not tyche
mircea_popescu: wtf is tyche
asciilifeform: fortuna.
mircea_popescu: meh. hardly.
mircea_popescu: anyway, this is too complex an argument
assbot: ClubOrlov: Hunger Insurance
asciilifeform: 'I would like to sell you some hunger insurance. Are you insured against hunger? Perhaps you should be! Without this coverage, you may find it impossible to continue to afford feeding yourself and your family. With this coverage, not only will you be assured of continuing to get at least some food, but so will I. In fact, thanks to this plan, I will get to eat very, very well indeed.'
asciilifeform: thing is, insurance and full-blast commune are both ways of distributing risk. (sorta how cannibalism is just another way of producing meat, but i digress.)
mircea_popescu: i think there's equivocation at work here.
Adlai: modern western society is pretty much cannibalistic
mircea_popescu: there's insurance, which makes sense, if events happen discretely converting them into a continuous stream is useful.
Adlai: drinking sweat is just a more palpable form of eating meat
mircea_popescu: then there's sociaism, which makes no sense (average out nonscalar values)
mircea_popescu: now these may be used synonymously, but this misuse speaks only to the idiocy of the user.
mircea_popescu: it does not affix to the concepts themselkves.
asciilifeform: average out nonscalar values << curious what's in there
mircea_popescu: (as to the first part, bitcoin mining is EXACTLY insurance, as a mechanism. it turns a string of discrete events (blocks found) into a practically continuous stream of services (hashes))
Adlai: that's an interesting way of looking at it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, the earlier discussion about iq, say, in the recent days.
Adlai always thought of pool operators as selling insurance to miners... but are miners collectively selling insurance to nonminers?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as in, take five people, pretend they're all the same, insure the lot.
mircea_popescu: same thing as discussing "average iq" or other similar insanities born out of an inability to statistics.
mircea_popescu: Adlai yes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: seems like the fight between insurance client and insurer is really a dispute over what the house edge should be.
mircea_popescu: doubt it tho, the house edge naturally trails the quality of prediction.
Adlai mutters something about decentralization, no houses no edges
asciilifeform: what casino wouldn't love to know if some fellow blessed by the gods to win $maxint that day (or simply a card counter) walks in?
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the REASON insurance in the us is so expensive, is exactly the nonsense noise and crap induced in the calculations by the socialist legislation.
asciilifeform: and in the case of the latter - they compare notes, throw the 'malefactors' out
mircea_popescu: otherwise the market, if left alone instead of forced to "not abuse power" or w/e it's called, would push them to what can be borne on volatility
asciilifeform: or biodiesel.
asciilifeform: what's the market value of the clients remaining alive? (and on what market?)
asciilifeform: sans bezzle.
bounce: you know, insurance by its very nature is a social institution: statistics to spread the pain of disaster over many in manageable proportions.
bounce: s/statistics/using &/
Adlai: someday, human life will get a little less overvalued
bounce: so what is the value and the valuation of a human life?
mircea_popescu: <bounce> you know, insurance by its very nature is a social institution: statistics to spread the pain of disaster over many in manageable proportions. << i do not agree.
mircea_popescu: this is the communal view, based on a cooperative of the poor.
mircea_popescu: but insurance is a financial matter, based on the wealth of the rich.
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bounce: the rich don't need insurance, they can pay the disaster out of the way out of pocket.
mircea_popescu: no, no, the rich provide the insurance.
undata: bounce: they're betting against each other with it
Apocalyptic: <asciilifeform> obligatory: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2012/02/wheel-of-misfortune.html // thanks for the link, a quite enjoyable article
assbot: ClubOrlov: The Wheel of Misfortune
Adlai: bounce: i don't know what it's worth exactly, but just listening to everybody's fearbabble and the taboo against suicide suggest that it's way overvalued these days
mircea_popescu: this is why the trading states (historical la serenissima, others) benefited so much from rich people in their midst. it creates stability, when there';s a guy with a large fortune capable to make specific statements about the future.
asciilifeform: luck + informational asymmetry == chumpatron.
mircea_popescu: "the odds of this crop failling are 1%, pay me a dime get a ducat if your crop fail"
mircea_popescu: there's no "distribution " of anything in there.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not so.
undata: if I'm willing to provide you insurance, I'm giving you useful information about my assessment of your risk-level
undata: that kind of thing?
mircea_popescu: for instance.
mircea_popescu: "if you can't insure it don't do it" is how it goes on ws.
mircea_popescu: and it is the ONLY injection of safety in a market,
mircea_popescu: in spite of WAY more spent on "regulation"
mircea_popescu: that provably does jack.
bounce: you don't need an external rich party to provide insurance; you can create your own. all you need is enough people with the same problem.
asciilifeform: there are things arguably vital (civilizationally) that are uninsurable.
mircea_popescu: bounce sure. you can also go to the moon by pulling on your underwear
mircea_popescu: all you need is enough people doing the same.
mircea_popescu: har har.
bounce: eh, no.
asciilifeform: go insure against losing ww2. or failing to invent x.
mircea_popescu: enough people with the same problem construct a large problem, not a solution.
mircea_popescu: the solution comes from rich people.
asciilifeform: (try asking for 'peak oil' insurance, etc)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform these are things that should be emin ently insurable in bounce's paradigm of insurance
mircea_popescu: not so in mine.
bounce: look. fire insurance. over some area 2% of the houses burn down every year. so you insure against that by gathering a goodly bunch of house owners and they contribute 2% of their own house's rebuilding value to the pot, plus a little extra to cover administration. instant rich party to cover houses burning down.
mircea_popescu: just because insurance co-ops exist doesn't mean they're anything important you know.
bounce: well, they work a lot better than trying to go to the moon your way
mircea_popescu: you can't emulate a rich man by getting 100 poor idiots to donate a dime.
mircea_popescu: this is actually better discussed in an old article, lemme find it.
bounce: you can pot up the risk, which is the function of the rich man in the narrative
assbot: Tara ca un hotel, sau o schimbare de perspectiva pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: the relevant part : "Ca sa ne intelegem mai bine : Ion e un copchil sarac si cam prost dintr-un cartier amarit din ceva orasel indistinct. Intr-o zi, Mircea cel Rau vine pe-acolo cu treaba, se aseaza-n bar cu cele doua catele ghemuite la picioare si bea un rom ceva. Fetele din cartieru’ respectiv, din dragoste de patrie (in exemplu’ nostru cartieru’ respectiv) il iau pe sus pe Ion, il aseaza la masa de vis-a-vis
mircea_popescu: si i se ghemuiesc la picioare si ele, ca alelalte. Ele sigur nu-s sclave, n-au nici antrenamentu’ nici priceperea nici pina la urma nevoile si structurile relatiei respective, acasa nu le-asteapta coloane de marmura, gradini unde apa susura printre chiparosi si havuzuri din care irumpe martipan ci peretii goi de beton, carpeta cu rapirea din serai si noptiera de placaj ramasa de la strabuna cu plosnite cu tot. Da’
mircea_popescu: indiferent de toate aceste aspecte, ele joaca un rol ca sa sustina o teorie : ca si la noi aici in cartieru’ curului avem chestii fine, si-un Ion care chiar daca-i numa’ din trei litere totusi e la fel de bun ca orice sef venit din zari.
mircea_popescu: Ei, asta-i patriotismul, fetele din exemplu dau dovada de “dragoste de cartier”, si asta-i chestia pe care s-a construit Romania socialista daca sunteti curiosi, o structura de altfel imprumutata de la Romania carlista. Totul pentru patrie!"
mircea_popescu: ie, john is a poor but stupod kid from some downtown ghetto in some derpy town. one day, mircea the evil comes there on business, sits down in the bar with his two bitches cuddling at his feet and drinks a rum or something
mircea_popescu: the girls in the ghetto, for love of their fatherland, pick up john, sit him down at the table opposite and cuddle at his feet, just like the others.
mircea_popescu: they are not slaves, have not the training, nor the skill nor in the end the needs or structures of that relationship.
mircea_popescu: but irrespective of all this, they play a role to support a theory, and that theory is "we too".
mircea_popescu: it dun work.
mircea_popescu: a guy with one million one dollar bills collected from his fellow nobodies is not a millionaire. he's a dangerously overpowered representative of the mob.
undata: complicated way to say that the primary role of the rich guy is dispensing his capital-allocating wisdom, if I follow
asciilifeform: how about the guy with the $m collected from his father?
mircea_popescu: undata well, could be summarized thus. moreover, what it's saying is that capital allocating wisdom can not be faked by merely collecting capital.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform depends.
bounce: good thing insurance co-ops only have one thing to do
mircea_popescu: bounce except it never stays that way, does it.
undata: bounce: yes if you define it broadly
mircea_popescu: soon enough they're out there supporting causes and underwriting bonds with gs and stuff.
mircea_popescu: then the town is bankrupt suddenly, and everyone wonders
undata: bounce: how does the thing know when to pay out?
bounce: that would appear to be the rub, yes. pension funds and "financial products" and whatnot
bounce: you ask for the insurance administrator to hop by and observe your freshly burned-out house
undata: I'll admit I've never thought of insurance as such a central component of economics
mircea_popescu: bounce because mircea the evil can and will tell everyone to go fuck himself with a rolled up newspaper, among other things. because it's his motherfucking million.
undata has been in the bit mines too long
mircea_popescu: but co-ops are just co-ops. no owner, no sovereign, no hope and no future.
bounce: small ones that stick to their shtick can work pretty well
mircea_popescu: right-o.
bounce: big ones with ambitions... oh dear. that's the ones with their fingers in medical records.
mircea_popescu: and if they work well they grow.
bounce: actually that doesn't have to be the case. some do pay back the excess and stay small.
mircea_popescu: but my argument is : just because your john is an idiot, itdoes not follow you now have license to make a rule as to what mircea the evil can or can not do with his slavegirls.
mircea_popescu: and similarly, arguing that insurance can't see the maps of the land because you want to have coops of idiots in insurance is nonsensicla.
bounce: that's your argument, and it's not the problem
mircea_popescu: aite, what did i miss
bounce: the problem is that they're making the maps so detailed as to follow every single thing on there, real-time. not areas, single persons.
bounce: that has nothing to do with making statistics work for you and everything with squeezing every single chump
mircea_popescu: something's missing.
bounce: whereabouts?
mircea_popescu: well thereabouts : if i live in a neighbourhood where flood is 10% yearly, but because of where exactly my house is my chances are 2.3%
mircea_popescu: you want me to pay 10% for the greater good ?
mircea_popescu: how about no and fuck you ?
mircea_popescu: http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/US/09/18/ike.last.house.standing/art.gilchrist.house.irpt.jpg << the argument that this is "just sheer luck" reduces to both "if you built a business it's not your business" and "einstein never happened"
bounce: I don't follow. did that guy know that would happen in that case?
mircea_popescu: how would you know if he did or didn't ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.00073737 = 13.9363 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: and more importantly, what licenses you to make this call.
bounce: plenty governments make that call, and even take away your ability to opt out of insurance altogether.
mircea_popescu: we are, as a species, the results of that house surviving, you know.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, dinosaurs would still be "too big to fail"
undata: bounce: you're saying the government knows better than the hurricane?
mircea_popescu: lol great way to put it
bounce: no? 'sides, making the call without a clue is something governments do all the time
mircea_popescu: Load Averages: 0.00 0.00 0.00 <<< now listen cazalla, you'd better get moving with that qntra thing nao!!1
bounce: though anyway, the point of applying statistics in insurance is exactly because you don't know who's gonna get hit, you only know larger-scale numbers. even so, with this you can mitigate disaster to manageable proportions. that's why it exists.
asciilifeform: it's his motherfucking million << his and the riflemens' ?
undata: bounce: if we all pile into the grenade together, some of us will survive!
undata: *onto
thestringpuller: i thought that worked though
Adlai: dinosaurs didn't fail though...
thestringpuller: one person lands on the grenade to save the rest
undata: maybe I'm smart enough to avoid them entirely
undata goes back to shoveling python
asciilifeform: there was an sf tale where rich folks (alien dragon-like creatures, i think it was) actually get bigger
asciilifeform: and can hold off the town singlehandedly
asciilifeform: but, humans don't work this way.
Adlai: reptilians!
Adlai: humans are but a genetic cross between mammals and reptiles
asciilifeform: ('tooth and claw', j. walton)
undata: bounce: example, I'm a small biz owner and in my 20s
undata: due to the recent US healthcare laws, I'm expected to subsidize the old and infirm
undata: and receive virtually no actual insurance for my trouble
asciilifeform: did since fdr.
bounce: ``Tooth and Claw is the easiest of my books to summarize. It's a sentimental Victorian novel in which all the characters are dragons who eat each other. If that sounds appealing, you'll like it. If not, then probably not.''
asciilifeform: ^accurate
mircea_popescu: undata that's a different story tho. some allowance will have to be made for people who worked in one system, if you change it to another system,
mircea_popescu: otherwise it's just pillage.
mircea_popescu: or in other words : someone's going to be stuck with the old and the infirm no matter how you work it out.
cazalla: "..which included a fingerprint scanner and camera, downloaded images of users' bitcoin identification cards." << where do i get one of these?
bounce: the usg thing is a layer cake of fail. but yes, you'll end up with /some/ subsidizing in any such system. over the long run you'll have been young, subsidizing the old, and old, mooching off of the young both.
undata: that is true
undata: I wouldn't mind seeing the last few generations of americans starve, though.
undata: bounce: families should do that
mircea_popescu: well that's probably the only universal atm.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, qntra editor needs his breakfast before the day begins
mircea_popescu: undata note that this isn't a matter of should, but of does.
undata: nobody in mine needs it, but if they did, the younger generation could float them
bounce: if you live in a house for a hundred years, it never burned down, you paid its rebuilding value (given the 2%) twice over. is that a loss? or a win, after al, the house didn't burn down.
mircea_popescu: cazalla i shall have some baba ganoush in your honor.
mircea_popescu: undata sure, but that's not really a societal response.
mircea_popescu: bounce a properly built house doesn't "Burn down" anyway.
mircea_popescu: nobody in romania has heard of or could imagine the point of "a sprinkler system"
undata: mircea_popescu: so pragmatically, what to do with the useless?
bounce: the really young (and thus families with young kids) also are a drain.
undata: I haven't a clue
mircea_popescu: nor "fire insurance"
mircea_popescu: at least, not until the idiot westerners came in to build "offices" and "supermarkets"
bounce: so that's the problem. youse houses be just too good!
undata: box them in soviet apartments
mircea_popescu: undata not just. houses too, if you build brick walls on concrete pillars... wtf is going to burn ?
bounce: ceaucescu did a lot of building, too, wasn't it?
BingoBoingo: Does terrafoam burn?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo all plastics burn, more or less.
mircea_popescu: !up Freen0deAdmin
bounce: hm yeah still often quite a bit of wood. floors, roof holding up the tiles, that sort of thing
Freen0deAdmin: whats up
bounce: the roof. on fire.
chetty: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo all plastics burn, more or less./usually with a lot of toxic smoke
mircea_popescu: bounce the roof is tarred tho.
mircea_popescu: like you know, telephone poles. you ever seen a charred old pole, from a lightning strike ?
mircea_popescu: doesn't start burning
mircea_popescu: chetty ayup
mircea_popescu: Freen0deAdmin read the logs.
mircea_popescu: about becoming a useful member of teh community.
Freen0deAdmin: !s freen0deadmin
bounce: concrete'll burn, if the fire getting it going is hot enough. or whatwasit, turn back into quicklime and whatever else they put in it
mircea_popescu: not about yourself lmao, who the fuck gives a shit about yourself ? and you least of all!
mircea_popescu: bounce no it doesn't wtf are you talking about
Freen0deAdmin: !s mircea_popescu
assbot: 142712 results for 'mircea_popescu' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=mircea_popescu
assbot: Error - search.bicoin-assets.com : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=%2A
Freen0deAdmin: !s assbot
assbot: 260420 results for 'assbot' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=assbot
Freen0deAdmin: !s atcbot
Adlai: !s spam
Freen0deAdmin: !s bitcoin sucks
bounce: !down Freen0deAdmin
assbot: Fire effects on concrete
undata: mircea_popescu: so you're going to keep the Freen0deAdmins as pets?
mircea_popescu: undata uh whatcher asking me ?
undata: the huddled useless masses I'm paying insurance for, and who are going to receive unburnable housing
mircea_popescu: lol i don't have a particular plan in mind
mircea_popescu: maybe, if they look anything like the qntra gurlz.
undata: the fantasy for me goes something like emperor Musk establishing space stations throughout the asteroid belt for mining
undata: he takes me with him to uh... build space roobas or something, and the rest are left on earth which at that point is one big venezuela
mircea_popescu: no homo ?
undata: oh maybe the tip
undata: but I am sure he's covered
undata: *roombas
mircea_popescu: anyone giving me even money on undata being a chick ?
mircea_popescu: jesus the prop market sucks in here!
BingoBoingo: Ben Fox is usually the person with signal on this issue
undata: pow, right in the manhood
mircea_popescu: hey, i'm a sporting man. i like to lay the occasional bet.
BigBitz: what are we betting on? :)
undata: muh genitals
undata: look guys, I'm merely gay-for-trip-to-spacestation
mircea_popescu: undata you know there's worse things than being a chick.
mircea_popescu: like for instance - being a cat.
BigBitz: has the Hawaii chick been to space yet?
BigBitz: I'd rather be a chick than a cat, that's for sure.
BigBitz: I fucking hate cats.
mircea_popescu: who doesn't.
BigBitz: Stupid people?
mircea_popescu: well... stupid women, at any rate
mircea_popescu: there's no explaining children otherwise.
BigBitz: True story.
mircea_popescu: o, this just in from the PW:RN&other dox department
undata: haaa
BigBitz: undata you know if you show tits that mircea_popescu will give you coin.
mircea_popescu: o yeah, totally forgot about that.
mircea_popescu: ;;rated undata
gribble: You have not yet rated user undata
mircea_popescu: ;;rate undata "<undata> look guys, I'm merely gay-for-trip-to-spacestation"
gribble: Error: "<undata> look guys, I'm merely gay-for-trip-to-spacestation" is not a valid integer.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate undata 1 "<undata> look guys, I'm merely gay-for-trip-to-spacestation"
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
BigBitz: Doh.
mircea_popescu: suppose you get in that wot thingee eh.
BigBitz: not even in WoT and someone +v her.
BigBitz: I bet she has multiple cats. ffs.
undata: mircea_popescu: I am also trinque
mircea_popescu: chicks get anything they want these days huh.
BigBitz: mircea_popescu yup...
mircea_popescu: undata what's a trinque ?
BigBitz: pussy controls.
undata: mircea_popescu: apparently wine makers at some point
mats_cd03: ;;get trinque
gribble: Error: The command "get" is available in the Dunno, Herald, and Topic plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "get".
mats_cd03: ;;gettrust trinque
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask undata!~undata@gateway/tor-sasl/undata. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user mats_cd03 to user trinque: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mats_cd03&dest=trinque | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=trinque | Rated since: Mon Jun 16 17:53:48 2014
mircea_popescu: ;;get laid
gribble: Error: The command "get" is available in the Dunno, Herald, and Topic plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "get".
mircea_popescu: ;;rated trinque
gribble: You have not yet rated user trinque
mircea_popescu: ;;rate trinque 1 "<undata> look guys, I'm merely gay-for-trip-to-spacestation"
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user trinque has been recorded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13050 @ 0.00073878 = 9.6411 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: toxic is an understantement
thestringpuller: ^- chetty
thestringpuller: BigBitz: i saw your interview about Alex Green
BigBitz: Interview...
BigBitz: Heh.
BigBitz: Where is it now?
mircea_popescu: yeah there needs to be another word for the stuff.
BigBitz: I didn't interview, a friend asked me some information, I told him... ummJackson wasn't to allow CCN to use it.
BigBitz: thestringpuller got a link?
BigBitz: did they at least use the message I signed -- and made a typo in. Sigh.
BigBitz: Yeah - typos are lame.
mircea_popescu: BigBitz hey, wanna give an interview to BingoBoingo about how it sucks to be "interviewed" and so forth ?
BigBitz: LOL
mircea_popescu: !up AdrianoOliveira
BigBitz: Since you ask so nicely, how could I not?!
mircea_popescu: alrighty, have fun you two.
mircea_popescu: and no homo!
thestringpuller: ".I, BigBitz, can confirm the person in this video is indeed Mr. Ryan Kennedy. I say Ryan Kennedy, and not Alex Green or Ryan Gentle or various other nonsense, as Ryan Kennedy is the name I had him arrested under when he scammed me" - BigBitz via https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/new-sources-verify-bitcoin-exchange-moolah-ceo-alex-greens-former-scammer-identity/
assbot: New Sources Verify Bitcoin Exchange Moolah CEO Alex Green's Former Scammer Identity
BingoBoingo: It turns out no actual news happened while we were being DDOS'd so nothing else to cover
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-10-2014#880461 << that, and it's quite marginal.
assbot: Logged on 17-10-2014 17:29:41; mircea_popescu: cool, so perhaps qntra should run a piece about how whoever nobody from coinfire divulged today that coinfire is in the posession of signed letters by the sec demanding they do not publish information.
jurov: all scammers were too busy ddosing
BingoBoingo: !up moldysnizz
mircea_popescu: jurov if this is not only a pathetic effort, but a CROWDSOURCED pathetic effort ...
mircea_popescu: im out of lolz.
BigBitz: I like how they called my Anonymous.
thestringpuller: what are butthurt hooligans to do?
BigBitz: then put my name. Nice.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller you know, hooligans is what ceausescu called the dudes that shot him.
mircea_popescu: resulting in a song, quite popular at the time, "mai bine huligan decit dictator", "better off a hooligan than a dictator"
thestringpuller passes blunt
thestringpuller: that's deep shit man
mircea_popescu: it tellingly ends with a "better off dead than communist"
assbot: Imnul golanilor - YouTube
thestringpuller: so now we turn it to "better off deat than socialist"?
mircea_popescu: the difference is negligible.
jurov: well, that's my proposal for qntra article: "Qntra was under DDoS sustained for 3 days. Ther was no newsworthy scam activity in bicoinland during this time."
jurov: gimme my 30 shares
mircea_popescu: jurov that soulds more like a byline lol
bounce: bylines pay double, right? right?
mircea_popescu: you been in print have you.
thestringpuller: i don't understant though fully. If hooligans have access to botnets and can't monetize them, why don't they rent them out for people to attack other people?
BigBitz: thestringpuller should I get a manager?
BigBitz: and sign autographs?
mircea_popescu: i have access to women and can't monetize them,
mircea_popescu: why don't i rent them out to fuck other people ?
thestringpuller: i mean you could?
mircea_popescu: well sure i could.
BigBitz: can't? or won't...
mircea_popescu: if i were poor and stupid.
BigBitz: you're not poor, I know that much.
thestringpuller: are you saying the hooligans are not poor and stupid?
mircea_popescu: well now that all depends.
undata: the risk is they take your women...
undata: er... bots
BigBitz: bots, women, interchangeable for mircea_popescu.
mircea_popescu: you know the story about how they kidnapped that chick, sent a ransom note,
mircea_popescu: and the response came that "i might take that much to take her off your hands" ?
undata: ha
mircea_popescu: take 'em, take 'em, enjoy your life
thestringpuller: if cop dramas portraying kidnapping were real, I'd think that'd be in the media more often.
thestringpuller: "We want 1 mn for her safe return." "No thx. You did me a favor kthxbai."
mircea_popescu: "could you kidnap the other one too ?"
thestringpuller: it's like that chappelle joke about how terrorist never take black hostages
thestringpuller: "We have 3 hostages. They are black. Hello? Hello? They hung up."
assbot: Dave Chapelle: why terrorists won't take black people as hostage - YouTube
cazalla: so they turned my alter ego into a short doco https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrRXP1tp6Kw
assbot: Bitcoin in Uganda - Empowering People - YouTube
thestringpuller: cazalla: Hah. And you were just trolling!
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller lol not bad
mircea_popescu: he's like totally wasted isn't he ?
thestringpuller: Yea. He's usually high on weed like 95% of the time.
thestringpuller: !up devthedev
mircea_popescu: ;;isup qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is up
mircea_popescu: ah come on what sort of bs is this
mircea_popescu: i was promised ddos and turmoil god dang it!
BigBitz: Why would you want it DDoS'd? :
mircea_popescu: i was enjoying getting all the lists.
mircea_popescu: (this is the downside of ddos : fuck with the wrong target, lose your botnet)
Adlai: well it'll still be effective against non-wrong targets
mircea_popescu: think about it. for a computer to be in a botnet it has to be vulnerable to something, right ?
mircea_popescu: what happens if i give you a list of ips of computers you know to be vulnerable to something ?
BingoBoingo: Oh, Another botnet takes the botnet. Then there's botnets in all of the botnets.
mircea_popescu: i mean sure, idiot users aren't patchable, so probably the same box will surface again later
mircea_popescu: but it won't be yours, ever again. not likely, at any rate.
mircea_popescu: not when we're talking peanuts ops on the fringe.
Adlai: the wrongest target would be one that patches the vulnerability after infection
mircea_popescu: o hey look at that! Load Averages: 13.43 3.55 1.18!
mircea_popescu: now we're talkin'!
bounce: what is that box running?
bounce: and OS?
BingoBoingo: So Buttcoin seems to have the best bearwhale gallery http://www.buttcoinfoundation.org/i-am-the-bearwhale-goo-goo-gjoob
bounce: pity. might've tried and stuck an accept filter in there, see if that drops the load a bit
mircea_popescu: how you mean ?
TheNewDeal: looks like someone even went and 3d printed a bearwhale
bounce: OS feature: freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=accf_http
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mircea_popescu: kakobrekla wait wut ?!
kakobrekla: ah i failed
assbot: Logged on 18-10-2014 00:02:52; kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-10-2014#881394
Adlai loves it
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kakobrekla: was hoping to get the first line of the log for the day and messed up the first try. ah well.
BingoBoingo: Well just set up tomorrow's log to have 1st poast
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kakobrekla: assbot cant grasp future lol.
kakobrekla: stupid bot.
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BingoBoingo: !future
BingoBoingo: !t h future
assbot: I prepared your canoe with cedar boughs.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25488 @ 0.00073878 = 18.83 BTC [+]
assbot: This debunked Kickstarter project may be the biggest crowdfunding fail to date - The Washington Post
mircea_popescu: Load Averages: 3.71 14.67 16.87 << you'll have to do better than that babe!
diametric: I'm actually surprised kickstarter cancelled this one.
cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/10/a-free-bitcoin-atm-machine-for-suitable-hosts/ maybe mircea_popescu can get one for his bedroom if foot traffic meets criteria?
mircea_popescu: dude what the shit, 0.27 load what is this bullcrap
mircea_popescu: THE TAUNTINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL DDOS IMPROVES!~!!
mircea_popescu: cazalla you know what'd happen if women had no feet ?
cazalla: cry because they have no shoes (googled that one)
mircea_popescu: cazalla no, they'd leave trails like slugs.
bounce: "automatic teller machine machine"
assbot: Free Banking on a Bitcoin Standard–The State Prepares its Death Blow | PHILOSOPHICAL ECONOMICS
cazalla: bounce, sorta like RIP in Peace eh?
mircea_popescu: "That line right there, if accepted into regulation, would be enough to conclusively destroy any hope of a Bitcoin monetary takeover. It effectively sets a 100% reserve requirement for Bitcoin banks, making it imposible for the supply of Bitcoin to expand in the ways that would be necessary for the cryptocurrency to displace conventional money."
mircea_popescu: imbecile be imbecile.
bounce: just for your FYI
mircea_popescu: Leave a Reply You must be logged in to post a comment. << obviously.
mircea_popescu: !up copumpkin
copumpkin: allo
copumpkin is on a bus
copumpkin: (so if my connection drops, that's probably why)
mircea_popescu: how goes ?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller what's dig qntra.net say to you ?
thestringpuller: might be dns
thestringpuller: yea checking now mircea_popescu
assbot: Website Overview for http://qntra.net/
mircea_popescu: it's up.
RagnarDanneskjol: dem lawgs still down
assbot: dpaste: 3P3NYHZ: trilema dig
kakobrekla: lawgs not coming back
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller yup.
RagnarDanneskjol: kakobrekla please clarify
thestringpuller: is that right?
decimation: re: kennedy "committed" < but all he really did was quite unknowingly empower von braun, whose scheme it was in the first place
thestringpuller: ^ mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: decimation so ?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller yes it is o.o
decimation: well, hitler also empowered von braunn, but also was 'committed' to a retarded strategy
mircea_popescu: decimation exactly!
thestringpuller: i can't traceroute to them either :(
kakobrekla: RagnarDanneskjol kig does not need 100% uptime, so it will back when its back
kakobrekla: kig = log
decimation: but neither hitler not kennedy really knew shit about von braun or rocketry.
RagnarDanneskjol: oh my. hmm
decimation: for instance, bush jr, 'committed' to putting a man on mars, which is obviously retarded for many reasons, not the least of which being that no one is in charge of nasa, and certainly not von braun
RagnarDanneskjol: is there a log arxiv available elsewhere?
thestringpuller: do we need mirrors already
kakobrekla: id publish archive on files.bitcoin-assets.com
kakobrekla: but its down :)
thestringpuller: kakobrekla: DDOS?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it has to be vulnerable to something, right ? << hate to disappoint, but 99% of the chumps are accounted for by perfectly lame trojans.
TheNewDeal: ;;seen bugpowder
gribble: bugpowder was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 15 weeks, 2 days, 4 hours, 2 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: <Bugpowder> Draper
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no exploitation to speak of.
assbot: UNIX V5, OpenBSD, Plan 9, FreeBSD, and GNU coreutils implementations of echo.c
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for one thing, 99% of that 99% is the same damned three trojans
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mostly 'zeus' & variants.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: virtually the whole of the turdware world has, for some years, been accounted for by cargocult l4m3rs who 'license' a turd (why? because, even building a ready tarball found wherever - is far beyond their intellectual level)
mircea_popescu: no dude, licensing is moar businesslike!
mircea_popescu: they be ceos.
asciilifeform: so yes, same 3, and some imbecile paid for his command box addr to be hardcoded in
mircea_popescu: decimation bush jr commited to nothing.
decimation: he said some words, which is more or less what kennedy did
mircea_popescu: decimation in no sense "saying some words" is what anyone did.
mircea_popescu: so anyway, the ddos of qntra is dead. here are the captions : 12`754`766 requests from 5397 unique wordpress installations.
asciilifeform: # not from wp ?
kakobrekla: well not dead, moved.
mircea_popescu: a coupla mil.
mircea_popescu: but my point is, this comes to ~100 hits an hour from each of these idiots. just slightly under, which means the 100 was the prospective rate set by the attacker,
mircea_popescu: not their upper bound bandwidth.
asciilifeform: many turdmeisters throttle the chump engines
asciilifeform: lengthens turd life
mircea_popescu: now, at a conservative 50kb per page, each of these installations comes to ~11kbps sustained over a day.
asciilifeform: (lamer with 'me box is sl000w' tends to end up reformatting, rewinblowsing)
mircea_popescu: WordPress: Now Powering 50 Million Blogs - The Next Web
mircea_popescu: let's do the math shall we.
decimation: asciilifeform: if all these boxes are exploited with the same malwarez, does that mean that the malwarez exploit the same unpatched holes?
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 50000000 * 11000
gribble: 550000000000
asciilifeform: decimation: see 5 min ago
asciilifeform: decimation: almost all turdware is plain trojan. only exploit is between the chumper's ears.
decimation: ah I see what you mean
mircea_popescu: o look at that! Mullenweg & automattic are responsible for a maximal 550 gbps, sustained indefinitely.
asciilifeform: precious and rare, the 'drive by'
decimation: as in 'click the .exe' or whatever variant
asciilifeform: (actual exploit, generally from vulnerable browser and a habit of reading spam)
decimation: or vulnerable office docs
decimation: like that rsa keyfob scam
mircea_popescu: i think that's the majority, ppl running office-etc
asciilifeform: office is a bottomless mine of 0day
asciilifeform: turdware is an interestingly btc-related 'scientific' field, because one hundred percent of folks with brains who have any truck with turdware (production end, that is) occupy themselves with somehow mapping their activity to btc income.
asciilifeform: (with brains - by definition. ones who operate in fiat - are diagnosably retarded here from our chairs)
asciilifeform: said mapping is nontrivial, and isn't getting any easier.
decimation: for instance 'cryptolocker'
asciilifeform: (mining difficulty etc)
mircea_popescu: so now the moral dilemma of all time : should i use my list of wordpress installs to blow wordpress.com off the internets or shouldn't i.
asciilifeform: cryptolocker << one (mostly spent) shot, yes
decimation: cryptolocker's approach is to force the victim to do the conversion of fiat to btc, like a mule
mircea_popescu: then take out one by one all the "press venues" that failed to report on my article, while at it.
asciilifeform: decimation: or to fetch backups (we all have them, no..?)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 5k bots is rather threadbare for this purpose
asciilifeform: (otherwise entirely admirable)
mircea_popescu: let's not confuse things. the chump's list is 5k
asciilifeform: well then.
mircea_popescu: my list is about 7.5 mn
asciilifeform: though i imagine they're already rather occupied.
mircea_popescu: i've been spidering the net since early oct
mircea_popescu: honestly... doubt it very much.
decimation: it's pretty likely that someone 'behind' the victim press sites have something to do with the ddos
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what, meat without flies ?
mircea_popescu: dude do you know how much meat is out there ?
asciilifeform: many more flies.
mircea_popescu: planet of meat. what flies ? in outer space ?
asciilifeform: ehe. i've a honeypot coughing up log to a scrolling term at all hours, reliably farts wp probing
decimation: asciilifeform: w.r.t. the 'putty' controller above, I thought 'modern' malware used generated dns records to 'phone home'
asciilifeform: decimation: this was the most illiterate possible turd, consisting of entirely unmodified 'putty' with a batch script giving it command line args to create 'ssh tunnel.'
decimation: that's lulzy
decimation: the truely elite hax0r figures out how to pirate an existing botnet
mircea_popescu: o it thought the truely elite haxxor works for the nsa
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: How do you thing NSA/FBI does their DDOs? They pirate legit ru/cn/Ohio botnets
decimation: "with paper money he could buy a lot of the deeds needed to back up the words. With paper money he could persuade the Sirian foe to kick himself good and hard in the pants and save the Terrans a tedious chore"
cazalla: logs down or under attack now as well?
kakobrekla: both i guess
TheNewDeal: I've been using them pretty much the last 12 hours with no issues. Must have just started
kakobrekla: up (for now)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10350 @ 0.00074019 = 7.661 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: decimation: existing botnet << often quite trivial. but then what to do with it.
asciilifeform: the basic fact is, unless you have the infrastructure for reprocessing hot fiat into purified chumpatronium, botnet is not of particularly much use today.
asciilifeform: (what fiat? mostly shenanigans revolving around the us/natoblok idiot credit card system)
asciilifeform: the people who have the silent crown blessing to carry on with this - know who they are.
asciilifeform: the rest - prey animals for the 'tough on cyb3rsc4mz0rs!!!111!! arm of usg.
decimation: asciilifeform: what I find amusing is that obama was complaining about credit card fraud while he (or at least, the people over which he nominally presides) are chiefly responsible
decimation: one imagines King Louis joining the paris mobs
asciilifeform: botnet << see logs from other day for rough calculation of how even half a million bots would scarcely suffice to live on
asciilifeform: assuming no wish to forfeit your arse by dealing in fiat with known fiatmiscreants
asciilifeform: ('live on' means, roughly, six fig. usd minimum., equiv. - folks who can live on tree bark, don't need to descend to writing turdware, tree bark is normally free for the taking)
decimation: seems like a risky proposition if one lives within reach of usg
decimation: trying to live off six figures of botnet-bezzled fiat
mike_c: i don't understand. what's the fun of all the ddos if you're not going to come in here and taunt?
asciilifeform: living on even a penny of stolen fiat is 'risky proposition' if not a favoured son
decimation: asciilifeform: I'm enjoying 'the wasp'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10250 @ 0.00073805 = 7.565 BTC [-]
mod6: $vwap s.mpoe
empyex: mod6: S.MPOE 1 day: average: 0.00073936 high: 0.00074241 low: 0.0007342 volume: 845832 btc: 625.37433682 7 day: average: 0.00073809 high: 0.00074368 low: 0.00073316 volume: 8213009 btc: 6061.91560232 30 day: average: 0.00074413 high: 0.00075684 low: 0.00073316 volume: 24117723 btc: 17946.7632577
mod6: %ob
atcbot: 7k@266 99k@255 29k@225 | 28k@190 70k@180 100k@175
thestringpuller: is trilema down for anyone else?
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 327338.31 in 60 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -82.57
BingoBoingo: !s down
cazalla: thestringpuller, works here
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34032 @ 0.00073773 = 25.1064 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6266 @ 0.00073712 = 4.6188 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: i'm going to retry with tor
assbot: /sovryntech and /S_Murphy_PhD helped bitcoin trader market their pump, scammers along with /aantonop, seems like all you lot at LTB are init
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> the basic fact is, unless you have the infrastructure for reprocessing hot fiat into purified chumpatronium, botnet is not of particularly much use today. << that's the beauty of nature tho! instead of making it secure, they decided to "stop criminality" by making criminal-cash worthless. inasmuch as they've rpetty much succeeded... they also made their own cash worthless.
thestringpuller: yea I can get through to trilema and qntra with tor
mircea_popescu: because as usual, bad money drives out the good
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> i don't understand. what's the fun of all the ddos if you're not going to come in here and taunt? << i was doing the taunting. saturated mkt.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller pm me your ip ?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller you had been ipbanned. i fixt it now. check tor too, if it works now then well... it's not all that tor-y
decimation: even obama complains about how 'his' 'cash' isn't worthy
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 379.28, Best ask: 379.83, Bid-ask spread: 0.55000, Last trade: 379.27, 24 hour volume: 9506.96031850, 24 hour low: 370.96, 24 hour high: 386.0, 24 hour vwap: 379.451409648
assbot: How to issue a cryptosecurity - O.info
danielpbarron: cazalla, Mark Edge was also in the ad; he's one of the freetalklive guys I've been tweeting at / seems to be the one managing @FreeTalkLive http://twitter.com/FreeTalkLive
assbot: FreeTalkLive (@FreeTalkLive) | Twitter
cazalla: danielpbarron, i'll add it
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