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mircea_popescu: so you make a commitment to a house that exceeds the commitment you make to the woman in question.
decimation: The thing that the '10 year rule' fails to capture is the opportunity cost of leaving for better opportunities elsewhere, whatever that may be
mircea_popescu: seems a bad equity play.
The20YearIRCloud: And that varies by case decimation
mircea_popescu: decimation no because zek can't leave anyway!
The20YearIRCloud: then what assets do you suggest that you can live in?
decimation: There's no doubt a man needs shelter
mircea_popescu: the fact that i can live in it is about as much a consideration as the notion i could fuck my bonds.
decimation: THe question: does he want to live in his savings account/lotto ticket?
mircea_popescu: sure, i could. what diff does that make! i'll just buy the living separately from investment
The20YearIRCloud: If real estate wasn't profitable, few would be in it
mircea_popescu: few are.
mircea_popescu: and besides, bitcoin is profitable and few are in it
The20YearIRCloud: 70% of americans?
mircea_popescu: the wisdom of the crowd doesn't go too far.
decimation: The20YearIRCloud: many real estate agents don't make jack shit, only the good ones make $$$
The20YearIRCloud: That's the case with virtually any industry that's on comission
decimation: also the market is extremely distorted by USG, which is run by real estate agents and lawyers, who all want to get their piece of the pie
mircea_popescu: strippers make $$$ kinda ll the way to the middle.
The20YearIRCloud: The total spending of the us realestate sector for lobbyists vs the others is pretty slim
mircea_popescu: or at least made, da fuck knows what's it like there anymore.
The20YearIRCloud: and even then, real estate is local based on state law/local laws, the laws I encounter here in ohio are completely different than CA or NY
The20YearIRCloud: And, when you look back on real estate prices in the US from 1880-1920, it still was a pretty stable pricing trend
The20YearIRCloud: and back then the USG had very, very little involvement in the market
decimation: that might be true, but it ain't 1900 anymore
mircea_popescu: not sure how far i'd trust that trend, but anyway.
The20YearIRCloud: Well, since data was collected, it shows itself to be a relatively good investment (not the best mind you) but one that's pretty decenty
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00075104 = 4.0556 BTC [+]
The20YearIRCloud: But , if you're in the mindset that everything is going to collapse imminently, then there's few good investments outside of raw land, weapons and food
decimation: The20YearIRCloud: how would you plan to keep the 'raw land' if you don't have an army to help you?
The20YearIRCloud: Why do you assume I don't have one, nor one could be easily armed/developed?
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud that's not the mindset. merely that owning one house is more hassle than its worth
mircea_popescu: if you're going to be into real estate, own multiple.
mircea_popescu: if you can't be bothered to own multiple, rent.
mircea_popescu: the magical "just one house" position is fiction, nonsensical etc.
The20YearIRCloud: And from what i've personally seen, working with people who buy, own ,maintain , manage, get divorced, declare bankrupcy, have their house burnt down, find radon/asbestos/lead paint, that overall real estate isn't a bad investment for your common guy
mircea_popescu: a case of "zero, infinity. no one."
mircea_popescu: well, maybe. i dun see it, but then again, each his own castl.e
The20YearIRCloud: granted my data is from a few hundred homeowners in central Ohio, with a few out of state people as well
mircea_popescu: let's work this another angle.
mircea_popescu: suppose you were a billionaire, and owned a real estate company that owned about ten thousand units on average in each state.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33715 @ 0.00074919 = 25.2589 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: now, would you buy your own house or just use one your company already owns ?
The20YearIRCloud: prolly buy my own
mircea_popescu: well that's that, you've got an aesthetic preference :)
The20YearIRCloud: The guys i know who are in similar positions have done the same
mircea_popescu: so suppose you had that army from ten lines back.
mircea_popescu: would you use it to defend your house or get a different guard for it ?
decimation: The20YearIRCloud: it seems that this could be a 'marketing opportunity' for a real estate baron
The20YearIRCloud: depends on the value of the resources I have ,defendability, ect
The20YearIRCloud: Which specific thing decimation ?
decimation: 'invest in my company, look at my own personal success story, etc'
The20YearIRCloud: Some do that
The20YearIRCloud: kind of what i'm doing
decimation: ownership would assist in the embellishment
decimation: but not required
mircea_popescu: all it needs is some neoprotestant varnish and it could start its own gulch.
The20YearIRCloud: like galts?
mircea_popescu: well like whatever chile dudes.
mircea_popescu: or w/e that was
decimation: yeah the one that was a total scam
The20YearIRCloud: i've got many that want to do it
The20YearIRCloud: but it isn't in the cards for 5 years ors o
mircea_popescu: it just occured to me : the berkshire bets happen just as it crossed the 6 months threshold.
mircea_popescu: maybe that's th estory here : bets more than 6 mo out are too far out.
assbot: The Good, The Bad and The Ugly on Galt's Gulch Chile
The20YearIRCloud: 1st rat to jump ship
mircea_popescu: i had no idea they had good drama.
The20YearIRCloud: recently they have
mircea_popescu: goes with the argentina bashing some other guy was doing linked earlier.
mircea_popescu: for the record, i agree with both negative estimates. it is incredibly stupid to go out in the fucking sticks, if you're on a budget.
decimation: my spindy-sense was tingling when I went to their website a few months ago and they had no details whatever
mircea_popescu: hardy pioneers mosty died there.
mircea_popescu: decimation i was just wtf'ing now, looking at it. really, pictures of one jar of honey, a bunch of SIGNS and a bunch of mountain range ? THAT ?
The20YearIRCloud: in the sticks in a somewhat economically hostile country without quality advisers/professionals to help guide decisions
mircea_popescu: im not paying someone to move ~there~
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud and without an army.
The20YearIRCloud: it'd be like me throwing a dart at a map of Ohio and saying "I'm gonna build an acid plant here, it's sure to make money!"
mircea_popescu: settlement is dubious even when you're settling VETERANS.
mircea_popescu: but these are all practical considerations. i wouldn't do this even as a banal every day person.
mircea_popescu: but for people to try and create a "bitcoin" or "ayn rnd" or w/e community.... this is so idiotic it defies description.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck do you think feminists don't go to hide in utah on a farm ? perhaps because they don't want to end up on the receiving end of the stick, like the mormons ?
mircea_popescu: why do they hide in well populated urban areas ?
mircea_popescu: the more annoying you are to larger groups of people, the less advisable it is to go into a fucking ravine. stick to the town, everyone's annoying there.
The20YearIRCloud: There are still quite a few hippie communes in the US
The20YearIRCloud: Not huge mind you, but 100-500
mircea_popescu: "Dear Hearts and Gentle People" is a thing for a fucking reason.
mircea_popescu: if you're annoying in a rural setting you get killed.
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud yeah, but not on indian land.
The20YearIRCloud: Yeah, not on the rez
mircea_popescu: sort of thing.
mircea_popescu: "I first wrote about La Estancia as being "Galt's Gulch" in 2011. I went on to talk throughout much of early 2012 about how exciting I found the concept and how I would like to do one myself." fucking preachers without a church, teenaged boys trapped in sagging old bodies trying to get patrons to carve them a parish.
mircea_popescu: except instead of addressing the lordship, they swindle innocent old people, the traditional victims of psychopathic piano salesmen.
mircea_popescu: We sat down for dinner in Santiago with John Cobin and his partner who had brought us the property and that's when things started to get strange. Cobin and his partner had some bizarre plan to zone a few thousand acres with 3,000 lots including golf courses, hotels and all manner of grandiose things. They actually had a business plan that went into the billions of dollars in revenue.
mircea_popescu: My first thought was that it would be terrible to turn this serene, perfect mountain valley into a complete suburban-like area. And my second thought was, "3,000 lots? Doug Casey has been operating La Estancia de Cafayate for more than five years and hasn't even sold 200 lots!"
mircea_popescu: Everyone at the table told me that it was a "sure thing" which I found preposterous. But then, Cobin, his partner and Ken started talking about putting a down payment on the property with a "rubber cheque". They were essentially saying that we would give the owner a cheque that had no real money backing it and then raise the funds to buy the property.
mircea_popescu: By that point I had had enough. "I don't do business that way," I said, and nearly got into a fist fight with Ken Johnson over it. However he and the others all assured me that this was "totally normal" in the real estate business to do... and over time they, and especially Ken, talked me into doing it. Ken told me, "this is how the real estate business works."
mircea_popescu: Excited by the property and the potential I decided to trust Ken on his knowledge of how to do real estate deals and we then raised the money with four key investors who we still to this day call "the founders". All were TDV readers and they were excited about the potential.
mircea_popescu: fucktards.
mircea_popescu: listen kids. a) this isn't how any business works ; b) "totally normal" is no argument ; c) don't be this loser. don't be the 9 yo kid telling the tall tale about how you "nearly" got into a fist fight with the bad boys that ruined your sunday clothes.
mircea_popescu: "I was assured that the property could be rezoned (at least somewhat) and that it had water rights and I returned to North America and Ken and I agreed we would be 50/50 partners on the deal (with a certain percentage for Cobin and his partner and for the founding investors) and I told Ken that I had no time nor qualification to operate or manage a real estate development so he would be the Managing Partner and that th
mircea_popescu: e plan was for us to bring in qualified people to help us develop the property as I brought in the marketing interest for lot purchasers. "
mircea_popescu: 50-50s ar for the qualified people in question. there is NOTHING, nothing at all, no benefit, zero, zilch, gulch for the guys with the "idea" or the "vision". fuck your vision and get lost, it's not worth a cupful of piss.
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Duffer1: 50/50 partners on the deal (with a certain percentage for.. the investors..
Duffer1: i'm sure this all ended well
mircea_popescu: Very quickly after the purchase of the property I received an email from Ken that there was a lot of errors and the property not only can't be rezoned for 3,000 lots but only for 12! And, it had no water rights for much more than 12 livable units!
mircea_popescu: Ken told me it wouldn't be a problem and he'd get it fixed. And, while I had already begun to market the property I was generally okay in knowing that the four founders had bought a large piece of property that, at worst, they could live on and/or resell and no one would get very hurt from this mistake.
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 ^ like that.
mircea_popescu: and the bonus being that for all this time HE LIED ABOUT IT
mircea_popescu: now he's spilling the beans. he couldn't do this post that same day.
mircea_popescu: it'd have been "unbusinesslike", because that's "totally normal" in "business".
Duffer1: ha so it was scam from start to finish, but now this dingleberry is blaming "ken"
mircea_popescu: fucking children. where are ye buffett with your "the incredible productive assets and unlimited human ingenuity existing in America". show them to me baby. what productive ?
mircea_popescu: ingenuity, yes. they're about as ingenue as a 9 year old girl.
Duffer1: we flip burgers good
mircea_popescu: "A few months passed and there wasn't too much developing when I got an email from someone (not even Ken) in June of 2013 that he had just committed to purchase a property with secure water rights near the initial property for over $6 million... and it had to be paid in full within three months!
mircea_popescu: Also, he had hired some sales staff (all TDV readers) and all of them were emailing me telling me that what Ken had just done was crazy and he was trying to get them to sell a property that wasn't owned by GGC without any real details even about the property, how much water or water rights it had and whether it could be rezoned! They all said they were going to quit but Ken had begun to move forward and market it."
mircea_popescu: basically the dollar vigilante thing is going to be prosecuted for fraud next year.
mircea_popescu: the dollar vigilante scam ring *
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Duffer1: sure to follow
dub: hey, smaller target to nuke
mircea_popescu: "Since I had already brought in thousands of leads to GGC throughout 2012 and the start of 2013 and Ken had begun to market this new property that GGC didn't even own I was very distressed. However, at the same time, the amount of interest was staggering. I knew there would be demand for a project like this but I was amazed how much interest there was. Ken again told me that this is just how these type of deals are
mircea_popescu: done and that GGC would have no problem pre-selling the lots to pay for the land. He also told me that he had negotiated a deal in such a way that even if the full payment can't be made in time that we could extend it.
mircea_popescu: And so I decided that since I was already roped into this by association I had two choices. To stop promoting GGC and go public with the reasons why I was uncomfortable or to continue to promote it and hope it works. I chose the latter and very quickly money began flooding into the project and I began to think that maybe this would all work out and maybe Ken really knew what he was doing."
mircea_popescu: by the book bitcoin "unintentional" scam this thing.
mircea_popescu: it's incredible just how homologously stupid these derps are.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40417 @ 0.00075104 = 30.3548 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: beck gulch << what an old chumpatron, snore
asciilifeform: !s citadel
asciilifeform: a 'gulch' or 'compound' or whateverthefuck the turdmeister of the day calls it - doubly so if pitched with fanfare to the drooling hordes - is an elementary honeypot, whether deliberately built as such or not.
asciilifeform: anyone who is bedevilled by the question of where amerikanische dept of vaterlandische seekoority is gonna get ten thousand 'terroristes' to hang - that's where.
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mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes again ?!
mircea_popescu: just curios, anyone remember the scottish attempt to colonise the new world ?
mircea_popescu: was a very similar affair, led by similarly inept cvasi-religious figures without an actual religion. ended up hanging an innocent young english sailor for no particular reason.
BingoBoingo: Oh the Darien!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.15983949 = 1.2787 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 97 @ 0.15432708 = 14.9697 BTC [-] {18}
assbot: dpaste: 1JJJN8N
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 784 @ 0.000728 = 0.5708 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00074998 = 9.9747 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 321477 | Current Difficulty: 2.9829733124040417E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 322559 | Next Difficulty In: 1082 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 23 hours, 28 minutes, and 10 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35399464278.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 18.67174
BingoBoingo: !up banana_lotus
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27800 @ 0.0007521 = 20.9084 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 157 @ 0.15014401 = 23.5726 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 400 @ 0.00160026 = 0.6401 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 21 @ 0.15000176 = 3.15 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 792 @ 0.00150304 = 1.1904 BTC [-] {8}
Duffer1: ;ticker
Duffer1: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 405.99, Best ask: 406.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 406.0, 24 hour volume: 24319.45764654, 24 hour low: 406.0, 24 hour high: 450.73, 24 hour vwap: 425.943838324
Duffer1: almost there
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.15 = 1.05 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: 3XX here we come
Duffer1: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 400.0, Best ask: 400.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.99000, Last trade: 400.0, 24 hour volume: 25747.56203446, 24 hour low: 400.0, 24 hour high: 450.73, 24 hour vwap: 424.167684521
punkman: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 395.88, Best ask: 396.7, Bid-ask spread: 0.82000, Last trade: 398.3, 24 hour volume: 26795.95626919, 24 hour low: 392.0, 24 hour high: 450.73, 24 hour vwap: 423.482238781
punkman: it happened
wyrdmantis: next target $350 ?
xmj: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 401.01, Best ask: 402.2, Bid-ask spread: 1.19000, Last trade: 402.2, 24 hour volume: 26966.96434580, 24 hour low: 392.0, 24 hour high: 450.73, 24 hour vwap: 423.317480237
wyrdmantis: after re-jump to 420 ?
xmj: dat volatility
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.0007519 = 10.2634 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00075192 = 7.444 BTC [+] {2}
wyrdmantis: volatility on fire
[]bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $400 before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1029/ Odds: 51(Y):49(N) by coin, 30(Y):70(N) by weight. Total bet: 24.47471334 BTC. Current weight: 13,700.
wyrdmantis: wtf late betting!
xmj: can someone lend me BTC10'000
xmj: I need to short BTC so I can win money to buy back BTC
xmj: (wait..)
Duffer1: pretty sure that 2 btc is gracious donation
assbot: Why The Bitcoin Price Dropped Today – Bitcoin Magazine
Duffer1: lmao wat
Duffer1: we took some lcd and stared at tea leaves for 10 hours straight.. ALIBABA!
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $400 before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1029/ Odds: 53(Y):47(N) by coin, 31(Y):69(N) by weight. Total bet: 25.47471334 BTC. Current weight: 13,647.
ThickAsThieves: today will be a fun bitbet support day
punkman: ;;tblb 3600
gribble: The expected time between blocks taking 1 hour and 0 seconds to generate is 1 week, 3 days, 22 hours, 54 minutes, and 52 seconds
wyrdmantis: Alibaba IPO? Totally unrelated to this downmove?
cazalla: such good prices and i have car rego and insurance to pay, such a scam :\
ThickAsThieves: for starters, how do you sell bitcoin the day before and manage to get that cash into your stock account for todday?
ThickAsThieves: what you think this is, bitcoin?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17773 @ 0.00075072 = 13.3425 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.15 = 1.2 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41873 @ 0.00075067 = 31.4328 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 291 @ 0.00540999 = 1.5743 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.156 = 1.56 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.1628 = 0.814 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.1628 = 0.814 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.15 = 2.25 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.15 = 0.6 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 20000 @ 0.00003611 = 0.7222 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 134 @ 0.00575101 = 0.7706 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00075278 = 4.2156 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49800 @ 0.00074938 = 37.3191 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00074922 = 18.3559 BTC [-] {3}
dub: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 390.0, Best ask: 390.6, Bid-ask spread: 0.60000, Last trade: 390.0, 24 hour volume: 31730.43641858, 24 hour low: 386.03, 24 hour high: 441.3, 24 hour vwap: 416.710163468
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 159 @ 0.13919185 = 22.1315 BTC [-] {15}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30700 @ 0.00074912 = 22.998 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13519 @ 0.00075102 = 10.153 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: that was fucking trippy. so i start irc client, it goes to login,
mircea_popescu: * mircea_popescu already in use. Retrying with ...
mircea_popescu: ;;seen mircea_popescu
gribble: mircea_popescu was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 seconds ago: <mircea_popescu> * mircea_popescu already in use. Retrying with ...
mircea_popescu: turns out this is what happens when someone tries to squat on your name just before you show up
mircea_popescu: dude these scammorz...
ThickAsThieves: the other day i was imagining that the freenode password reset recommendation they gave was actually nickserv being honeypotted and needing to slurp up passwords
mircea_popescu: (no, i didn't change it. i don't change passwords when a third party says so. i change them when i change them.)
mircea_popescu: !up Anon29486307
ThickAsThieves: i didnt either, not like they can !up anyway
mircea_popescu: the advantage of multi layered security : you get to know what the would-be attacker knows and what he doesn't.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8636 @ 0.00074894 = 6.4678 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15464 @ 0.00074878 = 11.5791 BTC [-]
[]bot: Bet placed: 5 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $350 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1034/ Odds: 49(Y):51(N) by coin, 41(Y):59(N) by weight. Total bet: 16.70228689 BTC. Current weight: 52,350.
kakobrekla: o look below 400
kakobrekla: only 400 to go!
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 395.08, Best ask: 395.87, Bid-ask spread: 0.79000, Last trade: 395.87, 24 hour volume: 34402.70319991, 24 hour low: 378.78, 24 hour high: 438.88, 24 hour vwap: 412.849427944
assbot: only +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
mircea_popescu: !up only
only: thank you. so who's dumping and where do they have their coins from? :)
only: **I wonder
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.15145788 = 0.7573 BTC [+] {3}
jurov: what exchange pulls it down? coinbase?
jurov: or bitstamp?
ThickAsThieves: no one is dumping, china is scamming
ThickAsThieves: i think this is at least partly people subscribing to the whole China does mega% of btc volume lie
ThickAsThieves: so shady exchanges can just manipulate and the rest follow
ThickAsThieves: this probably means well have another gox in the winter/spring
ThickAsThieves: to be fair though, i think the same shenanigans are what got us all the major bubbles too
mircea_popescu: won't last that long.
mircea_popescu: well, winter, yea, technically it starts next month
ThickAsThieves: so Scotland missed independence by 6%
ThickAsThieves: they should just split of a country for the guys
ThickAsThieves: the news photos show a bunch of people either very happy or very sad about the vote
ThickAsThieves: but i dont get what would be so exciting about staying
ThickAsThieves: Yes, we dodged independence, I am SO stoked!
chetty: well even staying there are getting more autonomy, no?
los_pantalones: age distribution is pretty telling,
los_pantalones: 65+ voted heavily to stay
los_pantalones: didn't want to lose their health benefits
los_pantalones: dude tried to bring in 16-18 demographic to fight that
los_pantalones: almost worked
mircea_popescu: quebec was if memory serves 50.5 - 49.5
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones normally society has these natural mechanisms to let pressure get out, all involving violence. the english speaking world has been uncannily successful at pluging all of them.
mircea_popescu: i fully expect to see old people hanged for the fault of being old in my lifetime.
los_pantalones: you've seen too much mircea_popescu
los_pantalones: how much more can you see?
mircea_popescu: well that's the problem with the antichrist, not only has it seen it all
mircea_popescu: but is condemned to forever keep on seeing it all again
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diana_coman: ThickAsThieves it was pretty much like a competition (football match) so they are excited their "team" won
diana_coman: (I'm in the UK, so I saw some of the excitement first-hand)
ThickAsThieves: i see it as YES voters were trying to hit a target, NO voters trying to dodge a bullet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50600 @ 0.00074884 = 37.8913 BTC [+] {2}
chetty: old folks generally have more to lose in any change in status quo
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 403.97, Best ask: 404.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.03000, Last trade: 403.97, 24 hour volume: 35222.97132326, 24 hour low: 378.78, 24 hour high: 438.88, 24 hour vwap: 410.504446309
mircea_popescu: chetty moreover, old folks are in a better position to understand the futility of change anyway.
chetty: mircea_popescu, that is a whole nother issue, especially since old folks are useless and irrelevant
mircea_popescu: that's okay, everyone is.
kakobrekla: bitbet.su updated their page
kakobrekla: after liek 17 days
kakobrekla: (injection still works ok)
thestringpuller: i still can't reach that page
thestringpuller: now I can
jurov: kakobrekla: shoulda make the alert in russian, too. and last i checked it did not work
jurov: best to use mat
kakobrekla: dunno, works here
kakobrekla: anyway it wont spit out an address any more, so thats that.
jurov: no popup in firefox not chromium
jurov: *nor
The20YearIRCloud: I'm curious if BTC is gonna stay sub 400 for a while. If it does, our dividends are gonna be stellar
kakobrekla: jurov did you request a deposit address on .su?
kakobrekla: here it works in all ze browsers.
jurov: ah i see. i was thinking the popup was on fromtpage
kakobrekla: that is cached locally with them
kakobrekla: and was 17 days old yest.
jurov: put there something like "тенто сайт на хуй, исполизоват bitbet.US"
jurov: (hope my broken russian provokes someone to make it better)
mircea_popescu: nahuy part i good.
assbot: only +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
assbot: only +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
assbot: only +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
chetty: !up only
[]bot: Bet placed: 4 BTC for Yes on "20% difficulty increase before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1036/ Odds: 65(Y):35(N) by coin, 63(Y):37(N) by weight. Total bet: 14.48041982 BTC. Current weight: 79,149.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.15083333 = 0.905 BTC [+] {3}
chetty: haha assbot doesnt love me anymore
bounce: !up only
bounce: !up only
bounce: assbot is short on memory
bounce: anyway. ``Netropolitan Is Facebook For The Rich, Only A $9000 Fee To Join'' -- gotta be reeech to fall for that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42563 @ 0.0007512 = 31.9733 BTC [+] {2}
pete_dushenski: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 321511 | Current Difficulty: 2.9829733124040417E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 322559 | Next Difficulty In: 1048 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 15 hours, 11 minutes, and 23 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35414635579.8 | Estimated Percent Change: 18.7226
mod6: wow
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: quebec was if memory serves 50.5 - 49.5 << ayup. pretty much each and every time they gave it a go
pete_dushenski: anyone else read anna karenina? or seen one of the film adaptations?
assbot: Repeating Anna Karenina’s Mistakes | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
pete_dushenski: there are almost as many films of tolstoy's classic as interpretations.
pete_dushenski: 1935, 1948, 2012.
mod6: the 2012 film was meh
pete_dushenski: and 1997, 1967
pete_dushenski: mod6: didn't see it
pete_dushenski: can't stand keira knightly
pete_dushenski: the 1935 version was pretty epic
mod6: i'll have to watch that one. i don't think a film could ever do such a book justice.
thestringpuller: nothing is more epic than fritz lang metropolis!
mod6: i'd probably always be disappointed.
pete_dushenski: mod6: perhaps the whole story won't be there in all its intricate detail, but the costume and set design in the 1935 version are truly splendid and well worth the squeeze
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: will have to watch that next!
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Gold above $1300 on October 1st" http://bitbet.us/bet/1022/ Odds: 13(Y):87(N) by coin, 38(Y):62(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.73414003 BTC. Current weight: 14,878.
assbot: Metropolis (1927 film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mod6: pete_dushenski: werd. i'll check it out.
pete_dushenski: this bitbet.su thing is pretty interesting
pete_dushenski: no small task, that
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 500 @ 0.0075 = 3.75 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: remember. only by the one's with the stamps on em
thestringpuller: ;;ud with the stamps on em
kakobrekla: jurov the idea is that if you dont understand the interface, you wont understand the bet and translating bets in generally a bad idea.
assbot: These people live among us. http://t.co/g3NDcoM0EX
pete_dushenski: los_pantalones: lol!
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: decimation there used to be this thing that you're not a real woman if you give good head << missing a "don't" ?
pete_dushenski: what kind of upside down world is it that only unreal women give good brains?
pete_dushenski: in my mind, it's sorta the mark of a real woman.
pete_dushenski: then again, maybe that was the point vis a vis the house ownership dealio
ThickAsThieves: maybe it's a real woman, as self-defined, doesnt give good head
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: <decimation> 'owning' your home is partially renting from the government, partially speculation on mortgage bonds, and partially a 'ticket' to future 'wealth' << fucking bril << mhm.
ThickAsThieves: a real woman as male-defined does
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.27202039 BTC to 15`091 shares, 8429 satoshi per share
pete_dushenski: ThickAsThieves: because a self-defined real woman is good at making money instead?
ThickAsThieves: hmm male- might be too narrow
pete_dushenski: her own, that is
ThickAsThieves: likely part of it
ThickAsThieves: she's a "man"
ThickAsThieves: and men dont give head
pete_dushenski: lol exactly
pete_dushenski: nao we're getting somewhere
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 7.25642428 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 631 satoshi per share
pete_dushenski: in this fairy tale, a real man would therefore be one who is good at dishes and cooking?
ThickAsThieves: very much so
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: perhaps this is why iron chef's are predominantly male...
ThickAsThieves: nah a man will get obsessive about any given hobby
thestringpuller: some girls will too
thestringpuller: lol gender roles
xmj: lol boobs what
ThickAsThieves: it's certainly topical
ThickAsThieves: the war on gender identity
xmj: ThickAsThieves: in 2014 there is overall consensus gender and sex are not forcibly equivalent
pete_dushenski: iron chefs being male has nothing to do with any kind of war on nouns
xmj: you can have a virtual dick. or be a physical mangina.
xmj: :]
ThickAsThieves: xmj, but what is not clear is whether that is a good thing
ThickAsThieves: i suspect it is not
pete_dushenski: and everything to do with who is the top of their field
pete_dushenski: as in politics, science, etc.
ThickAsThieves: right, obsessive about our pursuits
xmj: ThickAsThieves: i'm stating facts eh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] [PAID] 1.99324698 BTC to 29`438 shares, 6771 satoshi per share
xmj: ThickAsThieves: the Cathedral defines as overall consensus whatever is in its best interest.
mod6: %ob
atcbot: 45k@282 20k@273 7k@266 | 69k@198 6k@194 12k@190
atcbot: Time Since Last ATC Block: 0 hour(s), 44 minutes
thestringpuller: not good
thestringpuller: block times on ATC have been pretty high recently
ThickAsThieves: those personality tests need to also start addressing alpha/beta/lonewolf/"man"/"woman"
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: you know "the boss"
mod6: yeah, ever since the last diff change
mod6: %
mod6: %d
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 301190.90 in 987 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -83.96
mod6: ima reset this bot, got a fix for the pools output
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: nope
thestringpuller: there is always a maternal component to a field
thestringpuller: a woman teaching you is different than a man
xmj: ThickAsThieves: lonewolf is already pretty well established
xmj: sigma
xmj: in PUA lingo
ThickAsThieves: heh, there i go reinventing the wheel again
mod6: %p
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 117.28 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.24 TH/s
xmj: ThickAsThieves: different people call it differently
thestringpuller: damn I wish i had owned hashpower to point at ATC
xmj: i heard of it first as Gamma (somewhere else), in PUA it's called Sigma
mod6: you can rent it at ispace iirc
ThickAsThieves: it's funny i was literally trying to thnk of a name for this 20 min ago
ThickAsThieves: i was like "delta?"
xmj: ThickAsThieves: basically an alpha without a drive to LEAD people and with a drive to be left alone.
assbot: This is what sigma looks like | Krauser PUA
thestringpuller: ;;ud sigma
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Sigma | Member of Phi Beta Sigma Fraternity Incorporated. Founded January 9, 1914 on the campus of Howard University in Washington, DC by the most honorabl...
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: so you make a commitment to a house that exceeds the commitment you make to the woman in question. seems a bad equity play. << it's a terrible equity play. but plebs don't think in terms of +ev, only in the emotional "nao"
xmj: backing up my claim.
assbot: Sigma, Alpha, or Beta?
assbot: Facing your inner alpha
xmj: hey, even ESR has written something on sigmas.
xmj: hm.
xmj: ThickAsThieves: play rubberduck debugging for a second here
xmj: ThickAsThieves: Moving from Sigma to Alpha is realizing that the current social systems suck, that you can do better, and that you will do so by disruption.
thestringpuller: very mp-esque thought process there
xmj: that was original xmj
ThickAsThieves: well mp is most certainly an alpha
[]bot: Bet placed: 250 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment" http://bitbet.us/bet/786/ Odds: 44(Y):56(N) by coin, 60(Y):40(N) by weight. Total bet: 2566.68146022 BTC. Current weight: 44,220.
xmj: and i think mp is my hidden evil twin that's why we hate each other so much.
xmj: :]
ThickAsThieves: i do believe there is a certain phenomenon about hating your own traits in other people
ThickAsThieves: or at least your own faults
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32133 @ 0.00075133 = 24.1425 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: the more annoying you are to larger groups of people, the less advisable it is to go into a fucking ravine. stick to the town, everyone's annoying there. << or why jooz are avowed urbanites.
thestringpuller: people don't have faith in the bitcoin economy anymore :(
assbot: Your Evil Twins and How to Find Them
xmj: ThickAsThieves: what made you think about Sigmas?
chetty: <xmj> and i think mp is my hidden evil twin that's why we hate each other so //how do you know you are not the evil one?
xmj: chetty: read the blog, it doesn't matter who is evil
xmj: and i just might, what with my exposure to neoreactionary thoughts...
chetty: then proper statement would be opposite
xmj: that'd make him the Good person.
xmj: fuck if i know or care.
xmj: :)
kakobrekla: []bot> Bet placed: 250 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment" http://bitbet.us/bet/786/ Odds: 44(Y):56(N) by coin, 60(Y):40(N) by weight. Total bet: 2566.68146022 BTC. Current weight: 44,220. < usg found more coin in the couch?
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.08 B (44%) on Yes, 1445.6 B (56%) on No | closing in 4 months 4 weeks | weight: 44`218 (100`000 to 1)
xmj: hmm
xmj: ThickAsThieves: think some more
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 402.99, Best ask: 403.5, Bid-ask spread: 0.51000, Last trade: 402.99, 24 hour volume: 36387.30268549, 24 hour low: 378.78, 24 hour high: 436.85, 24 hour vwap: 408.974711561
thestringpuller: ;;calc 212133.16 / 400
gribble: 530.3329
thestringpuller: ;;calc 314.59764223 * 400
gribble: 125839.056892
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 401.08, Best ask: 404.64, Bid-ask spread: 3.56000, Last trade: 401.08, 24 hour volume: 36354.50292038, 24 hour low: 378.78, 24 hour high: 436.85, 24 hour vwap: 408.94504521
los_pantalones: thestringpuller what was that calc ?
los_pantalones: i thought brk was over 220k or something
thestringpuller: los_pantalones: i was just doing some basic arithemetic against the BRK-A bet
los_pantalones: yeah, thought the brk px was off
los_pantalones: but that is correct px
thestringpuller: i was using today's price
thestringpuller: to see btc / brk-a
los_pantalones: yes yes, i thought brk was over 220k
thestringpuller: interesting note. recently i realized brk-a has less market cap than AAPL
rithm: i had brain surgery this week
thestringpuller: good to see you are well and on irc rithm
rithm: aww even if i died my bouncer is paid up for some time
rithm: thanks though!
thestringpuller: as lupe fiasco says
thestringpuller: money ain't shit when there is wealth next to it
thestringpuller: wealth ain't shit when there's health next to tit
thestringpuller: as such i am thankful for your health good sir!
[]bot: Bet placed: 4 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $350 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1034/ Odds: 59(Y):41(N) by coin, 49(Y):51(N) by weight. Total bet: 20.70228689 BTC. Current weight: 52,003.
kakobrekla: it will tell us about 4 btc but not 250 ?
kakobrekla: still using twitter
los_pantalones: there was 250 on X under 350 ?
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.08 B (40%) on Yes, 1695.6 B (60%) on No | closing in 4 months 4 weeks | weight: 44`211 (100`000 to 1)
los_pantalones: ah, more
los_pantalones: MP goin the other way ?
punkman: 150% profit on the original 1000, that's gonna be nice
jborkl: los_pantalones> MP goin the other way ? <-- I think he goes both ways actually
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00075278 = 3.6886 BTC [+]
mats_cd03: i think he made it pretty clear he wasnt going to hedge
mats_cd03: correct me if im wrong
los_pantalones: yes, just tryin to poke and rile
jborkl: oh, I thought we were talking about something else
los_pantalones: \trombone sound
mircea_popescu: jesus gribble's slow.
mike_c: man, if i ran a site called bitcoin news i would be knocking down bitbet's door to get an interview about this huge bet going on.
mircea_popescu: mike_c what if you ran the bitcoin chamber of commerce ?
mats_cd03: that sounds like an interesting enterprise i'd like to be a part of.
mike_c: if i ran the chamber of commerce i likely have already written a dozen articles about bitbet :)
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 she's reasonably hot twist, for as long as that lasts.
mircea_popescu: the beauty of liquidity : bitbet can actually cover any bet at the stated odds well up to 100 BTC.
mircea_popescu: where else can you drop 50k on a side and not appreciably swing the odds.
mircea_popescu: (i don't mean where else in bitcoin. i mean, where else in vegas)
los_pantalones: larger bets in vegas they make you walk up to the window to get a special quote
los_pantalones: and they try to profile you and fade your ass
mircea_popescu: this is well revolutionary, im noteven sure the chinese have access to such performance.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the adonis-number needs a footnote probably
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it does, but im not giving it. let the wise have an easter egg.
jborkl: point taken mike_c, the bet resolves so far out I have just been waiting
mike_c: but the story is hot now. 1500 BTC bet short on bitcoin sounds like a juicy headline.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0075 = 0.75 BTC [+]
jborkl: yes it is , the amount has become very large. Let me get the basis of the article together and I will come back for more details and opinions
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: adonis << gonna be me, you, and that one other russian fellow who gets it..
mike_c: jborkl: totally unsolicited advice: interview format might be good for this one.
mircea_popescu: mike_c im not even sure what it's short on. but prolly bitcoin more than berkshire atm.
mircea_popescu: than long berkshire*
mike_c: certainly
mike_c: berkshire is a constant
mircea_popescu: not necessarily. guy's old, he might die etc.
mircea_popescu: in finance there's no constants. just vairables with the appearance of constance in context.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform perfect.
mircea_popescu: (also anyone who reads the logs, which by now is tens of thousands of people)
los_pantalones: the trade pays in bitcoin
los_pantalones: not sure either side is short bitcoin
mircea_popescu: yeah he can be somewhat short bitcoin but not THAT short
mircea_popescu: i suppose the statement would be "someone who's short the "up up up!" "
los_pantalones: or lookin for cheap brk-a exposure
mircea_popescu: actually, maybe he's shorting brk-a and looking for cheap insurance.
mircea_popescu: this could be a structured deal
los_pantalones: lots of uses when there is good liquidity
mircea_popescu: if he wrote brk-a puts and he somehoiw has a default bitcoin put by some reason (say, the reason being large holdings) then this is a +ev move
mike_c: this is nuts: http://www.btcalpha.com/bitbet/786/ you could drop 5,000 btc on either side and get decent returns.
assbot: Bet 786 Analysis - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment - Btc Alpha
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 77 @ 0.0104245 = 0.8027 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: except the problem is i don't see any large march brk puts hgaving happened this week
mircea_popescu: course it could be otc.
mircea_popescu: mike_c that's not even half of it. even 1k on either side wil probably draw reaction. i'd guess if you drop 5k on a side you'll get more volume on the other just on general principle.
mike_c: definitely.
mircea_popescu: it is after all 6 month out
mircea_popescu: that 50 btc diff bet ended up 800 btc on the winning side two weeks out.
asciilifeform: buterin's waterfall - going strong.
mike_c: ;;calc 2816 * [ticker --last]
gribble: 1128821.76
mircea_popescu: teh million dollar bet ?
mike_c: for now
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 401.77, Best ask: 402.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.23000, Last trade: 402.92, 24 hour volume: 34354.57634559, 24 hour low: 378.78, 24 hour high: 436.85, 24 hour vwap: 408.704816241
mircea_popescu: !up Nick___
Nick___: Hello
mircea_popescu: mike_c BITCOIN CAN ONLY GO UP NOOB
mike_c: heh, yeah. i meant it will be millions plural once btc goes up and people flood into yes.
Nick___: I am looking for some help. One of the winning bets that closed on bitbet did not pay out to my addresses, looking for someone to look into it. Can anyone help?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00075104 = 15.922 BTC [-] {2}
Nick___: mircea_popescu?
mircea_popescu: Nick___ specifically ?
mircea_popescu: (you can link to individual bets directly, do that)
Nick___: http://bitbet.us/bet/1005/russia-or-ukraine-formally-declares-war-on-the/
assbot: BitBet - Russia or Ukraine formally declares war on the other before September :: 0.03 B (12%) on Yes, 0.22 B (88%) on No | closed 6 days 17 hours ago
mircea_popescu: yes, but which one ?
Nick___: hold on one sec
Nick___: do you want the addresses i paid into or the ones i'm supposed to be paid out of?
mike_c: Nick___: which bet was yours? hover over the 'time' column to get a link to the bet.
Nick___: http://bitbet.us/bet/1005/russia-or-ukraine-formally-declares-war-on-the/#b5
assbot: BitBet - Russia or Ukraine formally declares war on the other before September :: 0.03 B (12%) on Yes, 0.22 B (88%) on No | closed 6 days 17 hours ago
Nick___: and http://bitbet.us/bet/1005/russia-or-ukraine-formally-declares-war-on-the/#b6
assbot: BitBet - Russia or Ukraine formally declares war on the other before September :: 0.03 B (12%) on Yes, 0.22 B (88%) on No | closed 6 days 17 hours ago
mircea_popescu: Nick___ i see. looking into it.
Nick___: thanks mate
mircea_popescu: Nick___ seems a tx failed to propagate properly. sorry for the inconvenience. will be rebroadcast presently. thanks for reporting.
Nick___: thanks mate, no problems
Nick___: just glad you run a stand up site
assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3QCXTRX.txt )
mircea_popescu: i don't run it, kako does. i just get the cookies :D
Nick___: all the same, my compliments
mircea_popescu: see kakobrekla, this is how cumstomer support is done, not the stuff you do!
kakobrekla: it gets worse.
mircea_popescu: !up BlueMeanie4
BlueMeanie4: heya MP
BlueMeanie4: hows things in bitcoin-assets land?
mircea_popescu: not so bad. berkshire making waves today.
mircea_popescu: did you forgot how to selfvoice meanwhile btw ?
BlueMeanie4: the real berkshire?
mircea_popescu: well the bet.
BlueMeanie4: hmm im a bit confused
Duffer1: has anyone stepped up to claim the massive no bets?
jurov: %tslb
atcbot: Time Since Last ATC Block: 1 hour(s), 22 minutes
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 not so far.,
jurov: that's cuz i made a testing tx
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.08 B (40%) on Yes, 1695.6 B (60%) on No | closing in 4 months 4 weeks | weight: 44`196 (100`000 to 1)
BlueMeanie4: you were placing bets on Berkshire?
mircea_popescu: !up Masterbill
BlueMeanie4: were at an interesting impasse with BTC
BlueMeanie4: basically all the altcoins are pathetic jokes
Masterbill: Haha Hey guys!
BlueMeanie4: btc has its warts for sure
mircea_popescu: ;;calc sqrt(226**2 + 203**2)
gribble: 303.784463066
BlueMeanie4: whats that the fibonacci pattern for btc?
mircea_popescu: nah some eulora mining math
mircea_popescu: chetty is valliantly fighting the engines
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones omg no rate ? what is this!
los_pantalones: on you? no reciprocation ?
los_pantalones: i'll do now, i'm a selfish person
mircea_popescu: ::rate los_pantalones 0 selfish person!1
bounce: .oO( pot & kettle sitting in a tree... )
los_pantalones: ;;rate mircea_popescu 1 fearless prognasticator and champion whack-a-mole'r
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
mircea_popescu: you can't have misspellings.
los_pantalones: makese sense
los_pantalones: mircea_popescu 1 fearless prognosticator and champion whack-a-mole'r
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14150 @ 0.00075031 = 10.6169 BTC [-]
los_pantalones: ;;rate 1 fearless prognosticator and champion whack-a-mole'r
gribble: Error: 'fearless' is not a valid integer.
los_pantalones: christ almighty
mircea_popescu: ahh this was worth it.
los_pantalones: haha, firshir
mircea_popescu: ::rate los_pantalones 3 public accidents in tight pants
los_pantalones: there he is
los_pantalones: ;;rate mircea_popescu 1 fearless prognosticator and champion whack-a-mole'r
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mircea_popescu has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: aww so soon
assbot: Edward Snowden should not face trial, says UN human rights commissioner http://t.co/CUuhDLnWVu
los_pantalones: just trollin for info on bluemeanie and came across that
mircea_popescu: !s from:BlueMeanie4
BlueMeanie4: something you want to know?
BlueMeanie4: its someone frightening that we form our entire opinion of someone these days by what shows up on google
asciilifeform: 'This content has been removed as our copyright has expired.' << lol! wtf
BlueMeanie4: wasnt the internet supposed to relieve us of this sort of thing?
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 well i wouldn't imagine it'd be the entire opinions
Duffer1: there's always usenet <3
mircea_popescu: !up Nick___
BlueMeanie4: Google has become WAY too powerful
mircea_popescu: you need a wot account and then a rating from someone in assbot's trust list to be able to self voice.
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 word.
BlueMeanie4: ppl think they are the last word on anything
mircea_popescu: either that or wikipedia
BlueMeanie4: meanwhile it's got NSA and friends written all over it from day one.
mircea_popescu: which is actually worse.
BlueMeanie4: for sure
assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]
BlueMeanie4: i noticed wikipedia's slow demise at least 5 years ago
BlueMeanie4: its hard to see, but it's very biased
BlueMeanie4: the truth has been written down many times, the technology we used to write it wasn't the problem :)
asciilifeform: http://www.jackpair.com << we love mitm! and prng; and luser-phriendliness...
assbot: JackPair
mircea_popescu: !up BlueMeanie4
mircea_popescu: punkman not bad.
BlueMeanie4: re. that Berkshire bet
BlueMeanie4: it should be calculated according to total market cap , no?
BlueMeanie4: per share? what if theres a split?
mircea_popescu: it says it will see through splits and distributions
asciilifeform: aaaand now we can add Salsa20 to the list of 'unsavoury' algos...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28977 @ 0.00075048 = 21.7467 BTC [+] {2}
los_pantalones: mircea_popescu brk-a splits and you win ?
los_pantalones: want buffet's number ?
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones sees through.
mircea_popescu: you're familiar with the legal concept right ? "court will see through the veil" device in bankruptcy, probate and so forth.
kakobrekla: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 6 hours, 55 minutes, and 34 seconds
jurov: <mircea_popescu> not necessarily. guy's old, he might die etc. <<< lol bitbet became assassination market >:D
mircea_popescu: jurov oh for crying out loud.
BlueMeanie4: there are some real dangers were facing with these things
BlueMeanie4: seems these perpetual adolescents who browse 4chan think an anonymous assassination market would be real swell
mircea_popescu: not so sure about that.
los_pantalones: why is that a real danger ?
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones well cause it's still cheaper to kill a guy than to annimate a corpse.
BlueMeanie4: if you cant see the obvious problem with that im not going to run down that road with you
mod6: <+gribble> Time since last block: 6 hours, 55 minutes, and 34 seconds << this can't really be right is it?!
mircea_popescu: mod6 blockchain is dead for ~6 hours too.
kakobrekla: nope, its actually 12 hrs
BlueMeanie4: or maybe we can pool our money and have your unpopular opinion elimated for good if you catch my meaning?
rithm: blockchain.info #1 super trust
chetty: <mod6> <+gribble> Time since last block: 6 hours, 55 minutes, and 34 seconds << this can't really be right is it?!/7 miners on strike?
mod6: wtf
rithm: gribble needs to use chain API and join the VC shill rtevolution amirite
kakobrekla: terrible lag inhere or is it just me
los_pantalones: BlueMeanie4 the probability of you being successful in this endeavor is not 'real danger'
mircea_popescu: mod6 i dunno, they failed. the blockchain seems just fine of itself.
mod6: i had some bad before, its ok for me now. we need irc.bitcoin-assets.com
rithm: mod6 accidentally a word
BlueMeanie4: hold on so its not dangerous because 'the market' will weed out any undesirable assassinations?
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones how do you quantify that ?
mod6: rithm: huh?
BlueMeanie4: every person can have an entry on the block chain that indicates the current value of their life
los_pantalones: yes, perceived and real are different
los_pantalones: quantifying stuff like that usually tends towards looking at willingness to pay for insurance and other similar protections
BlueMeanie4: therefore if you dont have a high life-value rating, you shouldnt express your opinions
BlueMeanie4: otherwise its cement shoes for you! yay lolbertarianism
rithm: <mod6> i had some bad <insert subject here, i assume lag> before, its ok for me now. we need irc.bitcoin-assets.com </grammarnazi>
mod6: oh ya, thx.
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 it would put a lot of pressure on coallescing lordships
BlueMeanie4: it would? the lords are the ones with the money remember?
mircea_popescu: "you can speak whatever you wish as long as the duke of parma protects you"
rithm: so BlueMeanie4 is cool
mircea_popescu: sorta like 1400 all over again.
BlueMeanie4: i cant wait
mircea_popescu: well it was a time of great art.
BlueMeanie4: that was my favorite medieval century
chetty: haha I can see it now, those who want one alive bidding against those who want one dead, what fun
BlueMeanie4: especially the part about burning heretics at the stake
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 well, only the annoying ones :D
mircea_popescu: or i guess the poor ones
BlueMeanie4: like Galileo
mircea_popescu: or the women that didn't suck cock well enough.
BlueMeanie4: he was so annoying
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 he died in his bed you know.
BlueMeanie4: everyone knows that if you keep sailing west you will fall off the edge of the world and dragons will eat you
mircea_popescu: how did you get the idea galileo burned ?
BlueMeanie4: no excommunicated
BlueMeanie4: youre correct on that
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mircea_popescu: precisely because of the protection of the duke of toscana
BlueMeanie4: ok so we still think anonymous assassinations are great?
mircea_popescu: we never thought that.
mircea_popescu: you just did a poor job of arguing against them :)
los_pantalones: i took umbrage with your use of the word 'real'
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 this is basically like smbc's technicality club. you can easily end up hammered into the dirt for having used the wrong adjective.
ben_vulpes: re working at derpy shartups: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=u7tLFmD8
mircea_popescu: as correct as otherwise your position may be.
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rithm: channel needs token society
mircea_popescu: i thought it was a crypto for black kids.
rithm: pre-sale of exclusivity tokens
rithm: * > ethereum is the new litmus test
mircea_popescu: i have nfi how dumb it is, i didn't read.
rithm: create your own altcoin, just to be allowed access to the forum, secret societies forming and such
mod6: mircea_popescu: yeah, they're smoking crack over at blockchain.info, btc.blockr.io shows 321555: http://btc.blockr.io/api/v1/block/info/last
mod6: ~4 minutes ago
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves http://bitbet.us/bet/1047/billion-dollar-bet/ << your dream came true ?
assbot: BitBet - Billion dollar bet? :: 1 B (100%) on Yes, 0 B (0%) on No | closing in 5 months 1 week| weight: 99`989 (100`000 to 1)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33800 @ 0.00075301 = 25.4517 BTC [+] {2}
rithm: wtf bet
assbot: BFL fucks us over again
los_pantalones: supposedly
assbot: Preemptive strike, to have on hand for when Butterfly Labs gets hauled off to jail in corpore pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: check me out, i'm so prepared :D
los_pantalones: fearless prognosticator
mod6: so in #altcoin, i added an undocumented command to query btc.blockr.io for the last block time + last block number, looks like this: Time Since Last BTC Block (321557): 0 hour(s), 7 minutes
mod6: let me know if you want me to add it to atcbot and I will.
ben_vulpes: rithm: steady state is an altcoin for everyone
rithm: mircea_popescu: href typo -> involuntary humor http://mpex.wsdtng/c/src/135778037437.png
rithm: not sure what's going on there
rithm: some sort of / root path implication
rithm: either way, i can't see the porn
mircea_popescu: there is no pron
rithm is saddened
ben_vulpes: bwahahahat is going on there
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22550 @ 0.00075063 = 16.9267 BTC [-]
[]bot: Bet created: "Gold above $1200 on November 1st" http://bitbet.us/bet/1046/
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mircea_popescu: lol watch out, the catchup begins
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devthedev: Good afternoon everyone
thestringpuller: GOOD NEWS EVERYONE
thestringpuller: free cookies for everyone
bounce: hungry now.
assbot: Developing Story: USMS and FTC Raid on Butterfly Labs - Coin Fire
devthedev: Well it's about time
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 321511 | Current Difficulty: 2.9829733124040417E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 322559 | Next Difficulty In: 1048 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 15 hours, 52 minutes, and 3 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35265697094.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 18.22331
BingoBoingo: ;;nethash
gribble: 268454074.757
mircea_popescu: us marshals
BingoBoingo: Is this why they can't release auction results?
mircea_popescu: different ones.
mircea_popescu: why are all the dudes in the (stock i presume ?) coinfire illustration fat
los_pantalones: 'muricah
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: cookies?
los_pantalones: record corn crop this year, bitbet on 'muricah gaining avg 10lbs next year ?
mircea_popescu: too hard to measure.
mircea_popescu: besides, don't they make ethanol ?
los_pantalones: not really
los_pantalones: most corn -> HFCS
ben_vulpes: well, crappy ethanol
ben_vulpes: that is then shipped to S.A. for their "high grade" ethanol
ben_vulpes: great big fuck off tankers carrying the same shit passing in the night...
The20YearIRCloud: Really has nothing to do with HFCS and the fact that americans consume tons of sugar/carbs with low-ish exircise
mircea_popescu: wait, wut ?
mircea_popescu: you can trivially distill ethanol, what's this grade busness ?
The20YearIRCloud: in my area virtually all corn from one county goes to ethanol, and they don't grade it
The20YearIRCloud: Allthe corn in the US produced this year will go to raise more beef for next year, as beef prices are astronomical
mircea_popescu: argentina plans to not export any this year
mircea_popescu: which seems crazy.
The20YearIRCloud: Wonder how much that'll push inflation
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: yes i will be shipping cookies soon.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: some usians claim that some kinds of ethanol burn more "cleanly" than others.
mod6: %tslb
atcbot: Time Since Last ATC Block (#45385): 0 hour(s), 17 minutes
mod6: %tslb_btc
atcbot: Right now!
ben_vulpes: %tslb_btc
atcbot: Right now!
kakobrekla: fast blocks
ben_vulpes: guessing it rounds to minutes?
mod6: the website says "right now" too, so it looks correct to me on that last one
kakobrekla: see, you dont need cannacoin
assbot: Bitcoin betting site Bitbet.us, over $1 million on one bet |
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14050 @ 0.00075045 = 10.5438 BTC [-] {2}
jborkl: if anyone has opinions on it please later tell me, I constatly fix things
asciilifeform: bfl assets seized << so, ft meade semiconductor plant is behind schedule, gotta 'steal candy from baby' now ?
BingoBoingo: Looks that way
artifexd: ;;rate nubbins` 2 Produces quality stuff but don't let him wrap Christmas presents unless you want to spend days unwrapping
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
artifexd: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'artifexd', with hostmask 'artifexd!sid28611@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nfmpjndnxxclhbjm', is not identified.
artifexd: ;;eauth artifexd
gribble: Request successful for user artifexd, hostmask artifexd!sid28611@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nfmpjndnxxclhbjm. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/11D1433947A3327A
artifexd: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:a8e872c5fd617f835565a25b959766a3653ae4129b752735e66611b3
gribble: You are now authenticated for user artifexd with key 11D1433947A3327A
artifexd: ;;rate nubbins` 2 Produces quality stuff but don't let him wrap Christmas presents unless you want to spend days unwrapping
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gribble: The operation succeeded.
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 198 Ask: 266 Last Price: 198 24h-Vol: 32k High: 266 Low: 198 VWAP: 216
atcbot: [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 198 Ask: 266 Last Price: 198 30d-Vol: 173k 30d-High: 266 30d-Low: 170 30d-VWAP: 188
mod6: %tslb_btc
atcbot: Time Since Last BTC Block (#321570): 0 hour(s), 18 minutes
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 131.94 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 0 TH/s
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> bfl assets seized << all pointers seem to indicate the forum post is a prank.
gribble: Time since last block: 8 hours, 41 minutes, and 49 seconds
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what's going on there, miner down ? or we on invisible pool ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Our pools' still not on the bot
assbot: P2Pool
asciilifeform: prank << ah well
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34837 @ 0.00075026 = 26.1368 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 399.84, Best ask: 400.74, Bid-ask spread: 0.90000, Last trade: 400.74, 24 hour volume: 31890.07768146, 24 hour low: 378.78, 24 hour high: 436.85, 24 hour vwap: 404.276161033
mircea_popescu: so 4 is this new 5 ? i don't like this fortran.
assbot: Apple’s dangerous game - The Washington Post
Duffer1: govt will just invoke patriot act and require them to backdoor it
assbot: Double bottom? /hashtag/oversold?src=hash /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash
mthreat: That's the problem with double bottoms... they always look like double bottoms at first.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 111 @ 0.14267264 = 15.8367 BTC [-] {8}
BingoBoingo: !up tatonaplane
tatonaplane: dude that apple article...
BingoBoingo: Dude, you are on a plane
tatonaplane: I thought unwashed reading bitcoinmagazine for a sec
tatonaplane: unwashed=I was
assbot: Your iOS 8 Data is Not Beyond Law Enforcement’s Reach… Yet. | Jonathan Zdziarski's Domain
ben_vulpes: nb, have not read yet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40719 @ 0.00074981 = 30.5315 BTC [-] {2}
dub: like apple user doesnt secretly want her nude selfies leaked online
mod6: ya srsly
[]bot: Bet placed: 5 BTC for No on "Billion dollar bet?" http://bitbet.us/bet/1047/ Odds: 17(Y):83(N) by coin, 17(Y):83(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.06 BTC. Current weight: 99,913.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39200 @ 0.00074923 = 29.3698 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Announce: PicoLisp in Hardware (PilMCU)
mircea_popescu: <mthreat> That's the problem with double bottoms... they always look like double bottoms at first. << word.
mircea_popescu: wtf is scoop.it
mircea_popescu: <dub> like apple user doesnt secretly want her nude selfies leaked online << you mean the photoshopped nudies hackers obsessed with her made ?
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 168.59 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.16 TH/s
assbot: BitBet - Gold above $1200 on November 1st :: 0.06 B (10%) on Yes, 0.54 B (90%) on No | closing in 4 weeks 1 day| weight: 99`341 (100`000 to 1)
kakobrekla: what, they are right there?
mircea_popescu: ah my bad
mircea_popescu: so BABA mkt cap close to 1/4 trillion ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 14 @ 0.064 = 0.896 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: who knew we'll live in the time of such richness.
mircea_popescu: i remember seeing films which thought 1mn dollars was a fabulous reward
mircea_popescu: !up Jamesonwa
BingoBoingo: I'm off for a bit. If I'm not back by Monday... maybe worry I've been captured.
assbot: Blockchain.info Paper Backup Stores Private Keys in the Browser History - Bitzuma
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15650 @ 0.0007494 = 11.7281 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
mircea_popescu: web wallets are such a winningful idea.
ben_vulpes: get outa hea!
kakobrekla: seems ok that bitzuma, on the first glance
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mircea_popescu: us chick in a car with a stud that outruns the cops, she has something to bitch about.
mircea_popescu: bonus points for strategically covering behind purse pic.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.0007494 = 17.461 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so no lilo day huh.
asciilifeform: ^ 'heresy - it hurts.'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20650 @ 0.0007494 = 15.4751 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 930 @ 0.00075 = 0.6975 BTC [+]
assbot: Microsoft reorgs its Trustworthy Computing group; cuts some staff | ZDNet
decimation: the mind reels. one wonders who the patron of the said 'trustworthy computing group' would be... and why they are no longer calling the tunes?
asciilifeform: decimation: easy riddle. 'fritz chip' was finished, shipped, now ubiquitous. no more need for group.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know the story with the guy hired to make the best church ever
mircea_popescu: then killed when done
asciilifeform: a la egyptians
asciilifeform: or the traditional 'they poked the architect's eyes out'
mircea_popescu: so i joined all other bitcoin channels. (from http://irc.netsplit.de/channels/?net=freenode&chat=bitcoin )
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decimation: There is indeed a relationship between the Microsoft Trustworthy Computer Group and the Trusted Computing Group http://www.marketwired.com/press-release/trusted-computing-conference-announces-microsoft-trusted-computing-group-wave-systems-1824245.htm
assbot: The Trusted Computing Conference Announces Microsoft, the Trusted Computing Group and Wave Systems Corp. as Diamond Sponsors
mircea_popescu: every fucking thing is dead. an hour and 0 content except for btc-pricetalk which is 100% derpage overdrive
mircea_popescu: diamond eh
asciilifeform: every fucking thing is dead << i started out in perhaps 4 different ones, stayed here because alive.
decimation: Trusted computing group is indeed the author of the 'fritz chip' specs http://www.trustedcomputinggroup.org/resources/tpm_main_specification
mircea_popescu: decimation if you're into humint, follow where the employees "let off" go.
mircea_popescu: roughly the same as following marker iodine through a body.
asciilifeform: who really believes they were let free into the world.
mircea_popescu: anyway, an easily overlooked point about bitcoin is that it's well proven we can make terrorist computers
mircea_popescu: should idiocy a la tcg actually arrive to critical mass
asciilifeform: since 'tutankhamon' solution was presumably not used - then stowed away elsewhere.
mircea_popescu: that threat alone is enough to prevent successful adoption.
decimation: The problem that usg has is that they would have to get china to buy into whatever 'secure computing' solution they want to push
asciilifeform: fritz chip carries on as a diversion only, not an honest effort. the folks in usg with remaining working neurons realized after 'clipper' that a plainly labelled bull's eye - is dumb.
asciilifeform: diffuse poison - smarter.
asciilifeform: analogous situation from history:
asciilifeform: in early nukes, there was no lock.
asciilifeform: when (americans - afaik, no one else) felt a desire for locks, the first such took the form of little 'safes', modules similar to car ignition boxes of the time.
asciilifeform: this was a threadbare solution, for obvious reasons - easy to spot where 'the goods' sit; know where to 'hotwire.'
asciilifeform: so then final lock was placed as a turd in the fissile core (in fusion nukes, fissile initiator, almost same)
asciilifeform: in such a way that the turd would interfere with proper operation unless fed the correct magic
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.0007494 = 9.5174 BTC [+]
mats_cd03: assbot dead?
asciilifeform: and, being where it is, would neither be apparent nor easily reached by an enemy.
mats_cd03: it just occurred to me how much of a fight btc is going to be in for with the usd over the next decade
decimation: asciilifeform: the analogous situation with computers is buried inside the silicon of course
mats_cd03: i mean, btc will win regardless, but... if buttstamp and co were able to dump btc with so few coins
mats_cd03: what can they do with 400k
decimation: mats_cd03: we are still in the minor leagues it's true
asciilifeform: decimation: right. why place 'fritz chip' as a distinct physical bugger, where it is both apparent and easily manipulated.
mats_cd03: at this juncture i think 30 BTCUSD is not infeasible
asciilifeform: why not 0.30
kakobrekla: wont go below 2.
asciilifeform: at 2 kakobrekla sells his airplane and buys the entire lot ?
kakobrekla: me - no. someone else - yes.
asciilifeform: point re: 0.30 etc is that if the 'tame' exchanges are sufficiently decoupled from physical reality, then there is no bottom.
mats_cd03: i for one would buy thousands of btc if it went to 0.3, and im sure many in this channel would too. it'd hasten the demise of some common enemies
asciilifeform: in that you won't be let through the door to buy up the cheapo coin
nubbins`: !s warrant canary
kakobrekla: if you cant buy it, price is irrelevant
asciilifeform: correct
nubbins`: 0-249
decimation: if you guys really think that the exchanges are 'decoupled with reality' then you should buy while its cheap, right?
kakobrekla: so, it decouples itself from otc
asciilifeform: but an 'official' price will exist, if only for the consumption of the faux btc press
kakobrekla: like gox decoupled from stamp
mats_cd03: perhaps they believe that it will get cheaper still.
kakobrekla: was it stamp 500 and gox 100 or something like that?
asciilifeform: buy while its cheap << go try and buy.
mats_cd03: even less at one point no?
decimation: what is the usd price on -otc?
kakobrekla: afaik is still following the exchange rate
kakobrekla: i mean
kakobrekla: 'the exchange rate'
nubbins`: bitstamp is the null argument ;D
mats_cd03: 22:12:52 <+asciilifeform> buy while its cheap << go try and buy. << not a problem for anyone thats not american, i suppose.
decimation: if you find a mob who is all derping the same thing, is it a conspiracy or organic knowledge discovery?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 120 @ 0.00690002 = 0.828 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: nubbins` yeah but yuropeans are shy.
asciilifeform: mats_cd03: if you use an american-style exchange (afaik, all public exchanges track participants' meatspace identities in some way) you haven't really escaped from anything.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 331 @ 0.0104 = 3.4424 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: all the canadian exchanges require id
mats_cd03: there's knowing my identity, though. and then there's being able to touch me.
kakobrekla: if you can wire to EU than you can get btc in otc
kakobrekla: for us idk
asciilifeform: mats_cd03: know - today, touch - tomorrow.
mats_cd03: its okay, i have faith the usg will mismanage itself into oblivion long before the dollar fails from due course
nubbins`: taste - thursday
mats_cd03: you dont have to wait til thursday nubbins` ;)
mats_cd03: you faggot.
asciilifeform: mats_cd03: usg is the only party you would like to keep from fully knowing how much you hold and what ?
nubbins`: hey now
mats_cd03: sorry, i'm rude
assbot: American Bitcoin exchange CEO, 28, researched suicide methods before jumping from a Singapore highrise due to 'work and personal issues' | Daily Mail Online
mats_cd03: 'bitcoin CEO'
nubbins`: gross, daily mail
kakobrekla: did he rm wallet.dat ?
decimation: are we saying that the new york times is respectable now?
mats_cd03: asciilifeform: i guess not. but, that would be the least of my problems if i lived in, say, cape verde.
kakobrekla: o wait, its a she
nubbins`: the new what times?
mats_cd03: although islands are not particularly good for hiding from usg.
kakobrekla: due to 'work and personal issues' < buttcoins take too long to load, imma jump !
decimation: "On February 10, Radtke posted a link to an essay entitled 'The Psychological Price of Entrepreneurship' and commented obliquely that 'Everything has it's price'. In comments posted on the day her death was announced, her friend Krystal Choo, who founded the online travel firm ZipTrip, said that 'This exact post has been killing me."
asciilifeform: next year, after binge of dope in cia operative station: 'trial of cocaine baron takes bizarre turn after evidence - bag from his toilet tank - turns out to contain treatise on suicide methods. kilo of cocaine found in pocket of shitcoin ceo who jumped from tower.'
asciilifeform: so some fellow mixed up two parcels. happens.
nubbins`: decimation: related links: "15 smallest celebrity butts"
decimation: what is this 'price of entrepreneurship'? if your job sucks, leave? why jump out the window?
kakobrekla: that one personalized to you nubbins`
cazalla: i thought brock pierce knocked that chick off
decimation: asciilifeform: in Singapore drug possession in sufficient quantity is punishable by death
decimation: no need to stage suicide
asciilifeform: decimation: folks can talk on the gallows.
asciilifeform: and in trial.
asciilifeform: wouldn't do.
asciilifeform: elementary - otherwise, why ever kill anyone, when you can frame them
decimation: I think it is more likely that some chinese mobsters got screwed
decimation: not that it really matters much to the deceased
asciilifeform: whoever bumped off the girl, the Sg gov happily covers for him.
mike_c: this is ancient news, yes?
asciilifeform: it being a tendril of the octopus in good standing (whatever appearances to the contrary) - why susprised.
asciilifeform: *surprised
decimation: yeah, the 'new news' is the coroner's report
asciilifeform: mike_c: the death - ancient news
mike_c: ah
decimation: which octopus is the question
mike_c: only 7 months for the coroner's report. efficient!
decimation: actually singapore is one of the most efficient governments in the world
asciilifeform: efficient - at what.
asciilifeform: the word 'efficient' alone is meaningless.
mike_c: efficient at examining dead bodies.
decimation: efficient at producing ambigous reports
nubbins`: efficient at don't chew gum
assbot: Man climbs White House fence; races toward mansion before being seized - The Washington Post
decimation: another volunteer for the gulag
mats_cd03: a cry for help
decimation: hey asciilifeform, how do you 'type' russian? Do you use an X keyboard overlay?
asciilifeform: gtk input dialogue
asciilifeform: or, when quoting, ordinary paste.
decimation: ah interesting. I tried the 'german' overlay but I just found it really annoying ('tis a QWERTZ layout')
assbot: Large malvertising campaign under way involving DoubleClick and Zedo | Malwarebytes Unpacked
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 28247 @ 0.00003549 = 1.0025 BTC [-] {11}
decimation: another reason to use noscript I guess
asciilifeform: http://www.foia.cia.gov/sites/default/files/DOC_0006122432.pdf << censored official american 'intro' on lev theremin.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2804 @ 0.00072952 = 2.0456 BTC [-] {4}
peterl: question about bitbet: are fees booked as income when the bets are placed or when the bets are resolved?
mike_c: to put a different way, is all that brk money going out as divs this month? :)
peterl: yeah, that was what I was wondering?
peterl: but other bets have been heating up too
mike_c: monthly statements indicate it's when bets are resolved.
assbot: BitBet (S.BBET) August 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mike_c: says 442 BTC in bets, but 1.96 btc was income from bets resolved
peterl: aha, thanks
mircea_popescu: peterl when resolved.
mircea_popescu: so yes bitbet is sitting on something like 30 btc in unrealised fees that will come in during the next ~6 months
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03: assbot dead? << well the logs were working
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.14222727 = 1.5645 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03:it just occurred to me how much of a fight btc is going to be in for with the usd over the next decade < duh :)
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03: i for one would buy thousands of btc if it went to 0.3, and im sure many in this channel would too. it'd hasten the demise of some common enemies << thousands, srsly ?
mircea_popescu: i'd simply buy it all.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: like gox decoupled from stamp << pretty much
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.141 = 1.128 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: decimation: if you find a mob who is all derping the same thing, is it a conspiracy or organic knowledge discovery? <<< it's the internet :D
peterl: you can't buy it all, the rest of us want a share too
mircea_popescu: jesus i missed all the fun
mircea_popescu: peterl kinda the point.
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03: its okay, i have faith the usg will mismanage itself into oblivion long before the dollar fails from due course << this is like hoping the heart will cease functioning long before the liver gives in. in reality, they're so interconnected their demise is a cvasi-simultaneous event willy-nilly.
mircea_popescu: ugs can survive a coupla weeks with a dead currency ; currency can survive about five minutes with a dead usg on whose faith and credit it is based.
mircea_popescu: assbot: American Bitcoin exchange CEO, 28, researched suicide methods before jumping from a Singapore highrise due to 'work and personal issues' | Daily Mail Online <<< they forgot to mention what he read. it was http://trilema.com/2010/viata-suge-cum-ne-omoram/
assbot: Viata suge, cum ne omoram ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: efficient at don't chew gum << win.
decimation: dead usg << I find it amusing that folks like the20year think that owning some raw land is a defense against such cataclysms
decimation: because 'own' has been redefined to mean "the government gives you permission to do X"
mircea_popescu: well that depends.
mircea_popescu: in general the more liquid an asset is, the more likely requisitioned. land is hard to carry so often left with it's alleged owner.
mircea_popescu: what else ? a stash of gold is not "govt gives you permission" ? 300 bucks in a wallet ?
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