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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00063792 = 7.9102 BTC [+]
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $400 before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1029/ Odds: 27(Y):73(N) by coin, 24(Y):76(N) by weight. Total bet: 12.3260912 BTC. Current weight: 52,800.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00063792 = 3.1896 BTC [+]
artifexd: S.MPOE fell off a cliff again? Volatility that almost rivals BTC itself.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 922 @ 0.00068615 = 0.6326 BTC [-] {11}
[]bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $400 before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1029/ Odds: 23(Y):77(N) by coin, 22(Y):78(N) by weight. Total bet: 14.3260912 BTC. Current weight: 52,477.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5050 @ 0.00063768 = 3.2203 BTC [-]
punkman: artifexd, yeah there's a few nice coins. I liked the Antana concept, but they stopped making new ones. http://antanacoins.com/
assbot: Physical bitcoin statistic coin by ANTANA
punkman: after sleeping on it, I think I should try to make some of my own coins. Design suggestions welcome.
mircea_popescu: ;;google 1MqDj3fUp5Zdh275oS9NBAmcjYmuKzFNHL
punkman: mircea_popescu: you ever seen my huge copper round ? << I thought you'd pull out a dick pic right there
mircea_popescu: now why did you think that.
punkman: but yeah that MJB design is everywhere. I think I might grab a couple.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17681 @ 0.00063697 = 11.2623 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: Praise feels good, but negativity is stronger Jacob Burak Aeon
punkman: another thing supporting the "all on No" proposition
mircea_popescu: decimation blind people being able to do something with themselves other than mope isn't such a bad thing
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> i wanna complain to the bitcoin CEO. <<< satoshi is dead son.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17950 @ 0.00063851 = 11.4613 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [WTS] Ultra Rare 1BTC Silver-Gold Round /w "The Golden Heart" error!
punkman: 10 BTC seems a bit expensive
assbot: Google Online Security Blog: Gradually sunsetting SHA-1
assbot: The FBI Finally Says How It ‘Legally’ Pinpointed Silk Road’s Server | Threat Level | WIRED
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00063506 = 6.2236 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 80 @ 0.00712561 = 0.57 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00063695 = 7.9619 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2627 @ 0.0006363 = 1.6716 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.16998 = 1.6998 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Vulpes Ad Network
asciilifeform not surprised re: which one.
assbot: Free $5 in Bitcoins from Coinbase!
Apocalyptic: Coinbase buying bitcoin users info for cheap
artifexd: !s cryptominer
BingoBoingo: !up ThickAsThieves
asciilifeform: 'There once was a cyber attack; / The Chinese our network did hack. / Since arguably / Cyber’s WMD / Do you think we should nuke them right back?' << actual example from usg's limerick contest. (http://cryptome.org/2014/09/natsec-thesis.pdf)
ThickAsThieves: lol check out newegg propaganda
assbot: Why Saving Your Bitcoin is Not a Good Idea | Newegg Unscrambled
ThickAsThieves: "If Bitcoin is Used for Evil, Why is It Still Good?"
ThickAsThieves: "With so many great reasons to use Bitcoin instead of cash or credit cards, merchants strongly believe that the good far outweighs the evil. Unfortunately, many people that own Bitcoin aren’t using it to complete transactions, but are instead hoarding the cryptocurrency as an investment.
ThickAsThieves: This is a bad idea."
ThickAsThieves: If you own Bitcoin, it’s much better to spend it than to save it for two reasons:
ThickAsThieves: It could become worthless overnight.
ThickAsThieves: Its future depends on it.
ThickAsThieves: "It’s important to know that Bitcoin’s value is too volatile to be worth much today. That’s why most retailers who accept it as payment immediately sell. This point is from Duke University finance professor Campbell Harvey, who hopes to offer a course in cryptofinance in 2015."
asciilifeform: obligatory:
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 77 @ 0.01045647 = 0.8051 BTC [+] {3}
asciilifeform: 'They tend to show up late at parties because they figure they can always steal the cake anyway, so why bother go early ? Let the suckers figure out first - on their own dime - where the good cakes are, then just swoop in and collect... This means the only way they can get in is if you let them get in. Don?t let them get in for cheap - they have no business here.' (mp's http://trilema.com/2014/people-us-dollar)
assbot: People! US Dollars are not worth a fifth of a Bitcent. STOP SELLING! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.40905957 BTC to 15`371 shares, 9167 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 4.65745140 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 405 satoshi per share
mod6: %tslb
atcbot: Time Since Last ATC Block: 0 hour(s), 55 minutes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00063886 = 2.3638 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 483.0, Best ask: 484.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.00000, Last trade: 484.0, 24 hour volume: 3887.03400760, 24 hour low: 473.03, 24 hour high: 484.0, 24 hour vwap: 479.305821768
mircea_popescu: fluffypony people be loath to paypal.
fluffypony: yeah, but risk is all on my side :)
mircea_popescu: nah, there've been cases where paying acct got locked.
mircea_popescu: i don't mean from a "you run off with monyz" perspective, loath. i mean "paypal=assholes not keep that much there" perspective.
punkman: I've had PP limited twice when I spent a lot in one transaction
fluffypony: oh yeah see what you're saying
assbot: dpaste: 2ZAFGC5: Coinbase Inquisition, by tat
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: lol
mircea_popescu: "We appreciate you being" did this get accepted meanwhile ?
mircea_popescu: what do they appreciate you or the being ?
fluffypony: I recently did about $35 000 through the local exchange, and all they did was email me to ask if there's anything they can do to improve their site
ThickAsThieves: i'll translate
ThickAsThieves: "we know you wont do business with us if we ask, but we'd like to try asking anyway"
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves maybe tell them that lol.
mircea_popescu: "find a business model where you don't need to ask or you don't have a business"
ThickAsThieves: i found the email outright offensive
mircea_popescu: well that means your brain's not fallen to sclerosis yet :D
ThickAsThieves: my bank never asked squat, fwiw
[]bot: Bet placed: 13.520356 BTC for Yes on "BTC Difficulty over 31Bn before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1028/ Odds: 92(Y):8(N) by coin, 88(Y):12(N) by weight. Total bet: 76.00227226 BTC. Current weight: 38,548.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony decided ah what the fuck, i can't sell this btc for paypal, might as well dump it on gambling.
asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/2ZAFGC5 << why use 'coinbase' again ?
assbot: dpaste: 2ZAFGC5: Coinbase Inquisition, by tat
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to give the usg the false impression that its idiocy may work ?
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,diff
gribble: Error: "bc,diff" is not a valid command.
asciilifeform is a believer in vonnegut's 'you are what you pretend to be, so be careful what you pretend to be'
mod6: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 319411 | Current Difficulty: 2.7428630902257874E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 320543 | Next Difficulty In: 1132 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 3 hours, 56 minutes, and 57 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 29369109956.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.07465
mircea_popescu: a ty mod6
mod6: yw
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 2.7 * (1.15)**2
gribble: 3.57075
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 2.7 * (1.05)**2
gribble: 2.97675
asciilifeform is more or less permanently allergic to public btc exchanges of any kind
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 2.7 * (1.068)**2
gribble: 3.0796848
kakobrekla: <asciilifeform> http://dpaste.com/2ZAFGC5 << why use 'coinbase' again ? << cause they got inquisitioned out of bitstamp
assbot: dpaste: 2ZAFGC5: Coinbase Inquisition, by tat
mircea_popescu: i have nfi why that bet is so lopsided on yes. for that matter, there could very well be a single block retarget before oct.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you familiar with premedieval economy in the north of europe ?
mircea_popescu: the sounds of scania and all that
asciilifeform: only vaguely
mircea_popescu: the reason the hansa existed, as a basis for german style civilisation and the fundament of what was later dutch (and, after the blodless dutch conquest of britannia, english commercialism)
mircea_popescu: was this peculiar behaviour of fish, to congregate in this particular spot up north, to the point they got so thick you could fish with a sword.
mircea_popescu: this created a cheap source of protein as well as incentives to industrialise, because salt was needed to cure the meat so it kept.
mircea_popescu: conveniently, salt was very easy to mine, and the process to cure very simple. it never ceases to amaze anyone who seriously studies anthropology not that water is conveniently a universal solvent AND AT THE SAME TIME has a huge caloric capacity,
mircea_popescu: making it thus possible for stable solute temperatures - althrough in principle there's no absolute reasons requiring this fortuitous coincidence life requires absolutely
mircea_popescu: but that every single other step was always althrough history equaly conveniently "just as long as the baby's shins"
asciilifeform: 'anthropic principle' etc etc
asciilifeform pages max tegmark
mircea_popescu: moving on : as far as the at-the-time humans could tell, the fish were "a gift from god", who ordered them to surrender to human interest.
kakobrekla: great chinese usb b connector. you can rotate it 180 degrees and plugs in fine.
mircea_popescu: however, we know better right. so why did the fish regularly engage in a behaviour which the other party considered suicidal ?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: you can make from normal one with hacksaw.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla it's supposed to do that.
kakobrekla: too bad you cant undo it with a hacksaw.
kakobrekla: trolls!
asciilifeform: coinbase users as migratory herring.
mircea_popescu: tis what it is.
mircea_popescu: not people but things, nevertheless things have their own substance too. they exist.
mircea_popescu: and now you know more of business than virtually any business major in the continental us.
mircea_popescu: the entire fucking thing is basically cargo-cultism trying to re-enact the sounds of scania. somehow.
mircea_popescu: maybe if we put the twigs like this...
assbot: Design a physical Bitcoin - (CONTEST IS CLOSED)
asciilifeform: physical Bitcoin << two-legged vacuum lamp half filled with gallium.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5889 @ 0.00063886 = 3.7622 BTC [-]
assbot: Let me give you ideas pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell mike_c hey is the wol chainwatcher behind on blocks ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aw shit nature beat me to it.
asciilifeform: careful whatchawishfor.
mircea_popescu: http://sportysnetwork.com/airfacts/wp-content/blogs.dir/13/files/2012/06/bonanza-ad.jpg << aparently aviatics in the us have a long history of this retarded pitch
mircea_popescu: "you know what'd be best for you ? if after a long harrowing day you get to worry about thge weather and take off stressed in the dark"
mircea_popescu: fucking conspiracy of gold diggers
mircea_popescu: punkman true story : one of the cab companies in timisoara is called "bimbo vest"
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: every usg fiefdom, large and small, has own fake pgp.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: wait till you see what u.s. military orders are signed with (when signed!)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: bimbo vest << in usa, we have 'bimba' - they make pneumatic & hydraulic pistons. ubiquitous.
mircea_popescu: in costa rica, the wonderbread supplier is called BIMBO
assbot: Inicio :: Grupo Bimbo
asciilifeform: airplane scam << https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ERCO_Ercoupe#mediaviewer/File:1946_Ercoupe_Advertisement_in_Skyways.jpg << i live near the ruins of a factory where these were once made.
assbot: ERCO Ercoupe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
asciilifeform is not convinced that cheap civil aviation in usa died a natural (i.e. market) death.
kakobrekla: dc polarity protection without a diode (cant afford -0.5v) and without a relay (cant afford another -70ma) anyone ?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: LTC4412.
kakobrekla: ;;google ltc4412
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asciilifeform: kakobrekla: or equivalent ( ask your supplier for 'ideal diode' )
mircea_popescu is curious what bomb kakobrekla is making
kakobrekla: one that goes bang.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: you can also use a plain mosfet if you know what you're doing
kakobrekla: better we assume i dont.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: 'ideal diode' then.
kakobrekla: might just do the trick.
assbot: At last, the clothes store that lets you shoplift for a day - Telegraph
mircea_popescu: shit. my ideas ;/
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: cheapo.
mircea_popescu: punkman afaik that's how 90% of white women uder 30 shop for clothes.
kakobrekla: ty asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: i recall this particularly instructive event when derpy noob woman started her own couture brand & shop
mircea_popescu: at some financial risk. but then her worries were rest at ease when > 25% of stock sold within a week
mircea_popescu: and then she went under as 90% of that was returned within another week
punkman: that's why you sell them online, and let them pay for shipping to return
ThickAsThieves: ha! i know that girl in the stock image on punkman's link
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves what happened to her nose ?
ThickAsThieves: she's got a lot of freckles for a mixed girl
punkman: how's this for a coin inscription: ducunt volentem fata, nolentem trahunt
ThickAsThieves: pretty good
mircea_popescu: make it ducunt volentem Bitcoinae, nolentem trahunt
ThickAsThieves: ;;rated ben_vulpes
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ThickAsThieves: ;;rated benkay
gribble: You have not yet rated user benkay
ThickAsThieves: ;;rate ben_vulpes 2 Met IRL for drinks and neither of us murdered the other
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assbot: For Sale Soon: The World’s First Google Glass Detector | Threat Level | WIRED
mircea_popescu: A young lad who climed up in a tree was stung in the balls by a bee.He then made oodles of money by oozing pure honey every time he attempted to pee.
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: as if the vendors of the hated gizmos really had to include, e.g, 'google' in the hello packet.
mircea_popescu: so basically that thing does... nothing.
asciilifeform: being zapped - is voluntary.
mircea_popescu: technology keeps empowering betas to be weird thus pissing women off
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves ;;rate ben_vulpes 2 Met IRL for drinks and neither of us murdered the other << lol neither of you strike as teh murderin' kind
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: empowering betas to be weird >> http://www.wired.com/2014/09/armys-new-laser-cannon-blasts-drones-out-of-the-sky-even-in-fog << e.g. this. yes, let's draw a ruler in the sky straight to own artillery position,
assbot: Army’s New Laser Cannon Blasts Drones Out of the Sky, Even in Fog | Autopia | WIRED
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think it's called shoot and move.
mircea_popescu: the funny part here being how the line of the us agitprop was "o laser can't hurt our drones" for as long as it took em to finally get a laser mounted on a truck.
asciilifeform: not even to mention the traditional cheap answer to such tricks (ablative coating.)
mircea_popescu: i have nfi why they imagine it'll be useful against "rockets" and mortar shot.
mircea_popescu: it's quite obviously there to protect the us spy ships from their own drones, which apparently the chnese are mostly lifting
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fat rockets dropping on parachutes, self-aimed at tank turrets (see yesterday's film with ukrs clobbered by such. 1980s soviet product.)
asciilifeform: only this rocket.
mircea_popescu: " for use against incoming rockets, artillery and mortar strikes" the man said.
mircea_popescu: "the amazing technicolor rainbow suit. more effective than kevlar!"
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
asciilifeform: incidentally, i've the pill against 'batteries suck, can't make useful drones in jungle conditions'
asciilifeform: wire guidance and... wire power.
asciilifeform: a la 'PTURS'
mircea_popescu: so basically a very advanced kite ?
asciilifeform: but with five-dollar electric motors.
mircea_popescu: and hire a bunch of middle easterner kite flyers ?
asciilifeform: nah, same as the customary model flying machine
mircea_popescu: (you know, the folk who know how to kite duel and cut wires ?)
asciilifeform: but unlimited endurance, and range as long as your spool
asciilifeform: objective can even be to wrap enemy in wire.
asciilifeform: (connect 100kV when done.)
mircea_popescu: "our strategy is to win by covering everything in plastic"
asciilifeform: if you can cover, e.g., 'predator' - in mylar - it's a brick.
asciilifeform: incidentally, you don't need two wires to power the machine.
asciilifeform: (high-frequency ac through 1 wire, rectifier a la tesla on the 'rocket' end.)
asciilifeform: kite << nope, ordinary 'n-copter' or even 'rocket' with propeller for thrust and servo-controlled fins. enemy can't jam - has to outrun or cut wire. can include whatever instruments (e.g. ir optics) you like.
chetty: asciilifeform, forget the gasenwagen you'll get a nice little lab to build toys (with bars of course)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4941 @ 0.0006363 = 3.144 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: lol if stalin comes back from grave.
asciilifeform: 'I asked him to describe the equipment needed to focus x-rays at a lock and to read them, thinking that the “source” of the radiation would have to be large and well-shielded... ...The answer I received was quite amazing, but I guess not surprising. I was told that the isotopes which gave off the radiation were contained in a handheld tool about the size of a large flashlight. It was pointed at the lock and
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
asciilifeform: a separate piece of x-ray sensitive film was used to read the scatter. When I inquired about the safety of the operatives and their exposure to the potentially deadly radiation, Nicolai laughed...'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00063233 = 7.9674 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: <chetty> asciilifeform, forget the gasenwagen you'll get a nice little lab to build toys (with bars of course) << the special wagenb :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16750 @ 0.00063186 = 10.5837 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: fluffypony: bonus points for the unmistakeably-soviet 'maxim' (2nd from bottom.)
asciilifeform found out today that titanium toothpicks are sold. and wishes to know what they are used for.
asciilifeform: gauss gun darts ?
asciilifeform: (perhaps not. Ti has terrible conductivity.)
mircea_popescu: !up deafboy
mircea_popescu: !up mculp
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atcbot: [PityThePool Hashrate]: 592.51 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.23 TH/s
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mircea_popescu: now i get why suka.
decimation: re: small plane safety: http://philip.greenspun.com/flying/safety " If you don't want to die like JFK, Jr., who became disoriented on a dark and hazy night over water, don't fly at night or don't fly at night unless you're absolutely sure that it will be clear with a bright moon. If you don't want to die when a 25-year-old part fails in mid-air, get a new airplane. "
assbot: General Aviation Safety
decimation: "I will be there on June 5 at 6:00 pm." Pilots of light aircraft who utter sentences of that form are very high risk pilots, regardless of skill level.
mircea_popescu: also in the same spirit : http://naughtybits.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Heat-strokes-are-really-bad.gif make sure you get laid often enough.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00063674 = 1.9421 BTC [+]
decimation: I have a simple solution to small aircraft accidents: don't let humans fly
mircea_popescu: can it be extended to "don't let humans drive" ?
decimation: yeah, pretty much, but car driving is a 'human right' in the us
mircea_popescu: so then. so's flying.
decimation: I just heard this podcast on "free market" environmentalism: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2014/08/terry_anderson.html
assbot: " + soundfiledesc + "
decimation: his solution to "save the wales"? attach transponders so that humans can claim ownership
mircea_popescu: i think when people talk of saving things, the don't mean save them in the sense cockroaches are saved.
decimation: hehe yeah but they should. I suspect more chickens live and die in the us alone every year than all of humanity
mircea_popescu: yeah but what life is that.
mircea_popescu: if there was a way to save whales but it meant bottling them... if there was a way to attain immortality but you had to be an overweight, socially awkward shut-in ? etc.
asciilifeform recently learned that, for some niche applications, the known substitutes for whale oil are rather poor.
mircea_popescu: yeah, there's still no substitute for petrified whale vomit.
asciilifeform: large number of gearbox failures in '70s was blamed on the faux oil.
asciilifeform: similar to present-day situation with pb-free solders.
decimation: asciilifeform: I thought that the usg signed stuff with rsa certs generally
asciilifeform: decimation: yes, but with what.
decimation: well, certs that are hand-rolled on the thighs of young maidens by contractors with specific (unstated) qualifications: http://www.forge.mil/ExternalPKI.html
asciilifeform: (typically - ms-outlook.)
mircea_popescu: the army hasn't had a young maiden singe semiramis.
mircea_popescu: you're thinking navy.
mircea_popescu: and even there it's just the head.
decimation: "Federal prosecutors allege that Leonard Glenn Francis, the head of the Navy’s primary husbanding company in Asia, regularly enticed naval officers to direct warships to more lucrative ports for his business by offering bribes including junkets, prostitutes, cash — even “Lion King” tickets."
mircea_popescu: what exactly makes this an allegation ?
decimation: well, it's the 'navy times'
mircea_popescu: if he hadn't he should be fucking fired for being a humorless, idiotic puritan and bad for business.
decimation: this goes to what those in the us perceive as 'corruption'.
mircea_popescu: yes, but then again the us is chiefly known for having squandered a fortune and built up the history's largest pile of unserviced ious.
asciilifeform: 'corruption' in usa is just the same as, e.g., russian 'corruption' - took some, didn't share upwards with superior.
mircea_popescu: hardly a collection of people to follow in business.
asciilifeform: (with regards to which 'corruption' ends up a matter for criminal courts)
assbot: Chris Rock shows the Black Progress (Tiger Woods) - YouTube
decimation: yeah if you zoom out, you realize this guy (or really his navy masters) is getting dinged for throwing a good party for some tired sailors in exchange for a few spare mil$ here and there: corruption! Throwing away trillions on various welfare/healthfare schemes: legitimate!
mircea_popescu: decimation the difference ? "poor people aren't having FUN on those foodstamps".
mircea_popescu: it's so provincially, mean and narrow minded puritanism it bleeds.
mircea_popescu: there should be a word for this specifically american idiocy phenomenon. derpitanism or something.
assbot: ClubOrlov: Miserable Pursuits
decimation: the permanent bureaucrats who run usg are famous for this attitude
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the other ranch, who the fuck needs viagra http://naughtybits.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/hole-in-one5_small.jpg
decimation: I think this 'Puritanism' stems from a basic lack of skills on the part of the bureaucratic leaders. i.e. if you don't know how to write a contract for a nuclear submarine, you try to make sure that your employees are well dressed and that 'decorum' is kept.
mircea_popescu: this may be how it survived, but no. it stems from stupid us women going to churches run by stupid irish men, back in 1950.
mircea_popescu: and from the fact that the idiotic population of the us allowed the tavern lobby to be broken up and replaced by the church lobby.
mircea_popescu: worst fucking choice ever.
mircea_popescu: a country in which dyonisos is defeated by apollon may do well for a while. but in this case, dyonisos was defeated by arachne.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck even.
mircea_popescu: (arachne, for they innocent of the classics, was a rude halfwit spinster - think modern day ceo-wannabe forum kid)
decimation: well when you give the vote to every breathing biped in a certain area this is pretty much what happens
mircea_popescu: it is actually a quite unique phenomenon.
asciilifeform: 'I receive Welfare. I live off your labor: you pay taxes and I don't do shit, twice a month I head down to the clean and spacious welfare office at 1515 Broadway and pick up my check. ... What, you don't like me? You don't want to pay? It's not much—278 dollars a month. You don't want to pay. Well then why the fuck did you get me to come here, me and a whole crowd of Jews? Take it up with your propaganda—it'
asciilifeform: s too strong.' -- herr limonov.
mircea_popescu: it's nonsense anyway. the people who actually make money - and by consequence pay taxes - have little problem with limonov and a bunch of other idiots getting 300 bux a month or w/e it is they get. which is why most rich people will pick a eager young slut's rent tab & so forth. da fuck does it make a difference anyway.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile poor people resent other poor people for various reasons. "she's a slut" "he's a bum" "they're too self righteous" etc.
fluffypony: ;;rated danielpbarron
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fluffypony: ;;rate danielpbarron 2 safe, efficient, 5-digit trade
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decimation: yeah there's some truth to that. there's a matter of scale involved too
asciilifeform: rich people will pick a eager young slut's rent << quid pro quo, 'enjo kosai', etc. - not much like usg 'welfare'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not so.
decimation: the problem is the divorce between 'charity' and 'responsible to authority'
mircea_popescu: it's the abject middle class that haggles.
asciilifeform: there is not, afaik, a 'slut kolkhoz' maintained by usg...
mircea_popescu: what, you think the sultan of brunei actually fucks every girl in the 500+ strong harem ?
mircea_popescu: i know multiple chicks there, none of them having ever had it.
asciilifeform: lol! stage extras!
danielpbarron: ;;rate fluffypony 3 my PPUSD for his BTC; I sent first, he followed through no problem. double digit BTC
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user fluffypony has changed from 1 to 3.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron the funniest part of all of this being that all the -otc derpheads that rate you have not actually and colectively traded as much.
mircea_popescu: but hey, opinions, right ? who's not got some.
mircea_popescu: anyway, orlov misses the major point here. it's not about rich/poor as a measurable characteristic. some people are strong, some people are weak. whether the weak are temporarily rich or permanently poor makes little difference at all, money's not for them anyway, nor anything else good in life.
mircea_popescu: so you know, telling me how strong people who temporarily became poor didn't really give much of a shit in terms of "the rich" is about as confusing as discussing pregnancy in terms of "look what people can do". tis not people, tis women and women only that can do it.
decimation: "Take it up with your propaganda—it's too strong" << all manner of misery results when people start believing their own bullshit
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mod6: hahah
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 319449 | Current Difficulty: 2.7428630902257874E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 320543 | Next Difficulty In: 1094 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 23 hours, 28 minutes, and 31 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 29685874927.8 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.22952
mircea_popescu: lol it just shaved a day in two hours.
decimation: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 16 minutes and 8 seconds
mircea_popescu: kinda curious if the winter explosion takes us into e11 by new year's
decimation: !s winter explosion
mircea_popescu: decimation there's this tendency for hasing to go up significantly oct-nov-dec
decimation: the winklevii fund will open sometime around then as well, which might attract more usd into btc
mircea_popescu: that thing had been opening for > 1 year, and was going to matter imminently for about as long.
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mircea_popescu: it's what the french call a marote
decimation: yeah that's a good point. there's not a bitbet on this point interestingly
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.16999999 = 0.51 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: decimation there was. nobody cared.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo did that guy die ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Almost seems like it doesn't it.
mircea_popescu: yeah bad spinal curve
BingoBoingo: Pretty sure he isn't the sort to have passed the lab component of any physics course
mircea_popescu: !up dbit
asciilifeform: lol! '5. Agents should not have been members of the armed forces of the United States nor employees of the United States Government. 6. Agents should be chosen from those persons who will not be logical internees of the enemy.'
asciilifeform: compare with:
asciilifeform: 'A portrait of an ideal agent for spetsnaz emerges something like this: a man of between fifty-five and sixty-five years of age who has never served in the army, never had access to secret documents, does not carry or own a weapon, knows nothing about hand-to-hand fighting, does not possess any secret equipment and doesn't support the Comunists, does not read the newspapers, was never in the Soviet Union and has
asciilifeform: never met any Soviet citizens, leads a lonely, introspective life, far from other people, and is by profession a forester, fisherman, lighthouse-keeper, security guard or railwayman. In many cases such an agent will be a physical invalid.'
assbot: --
mircea_popescu: as much wank.
mircea_popescu: the notion that anything like the present usg survives not defeat in the field, but merely an unfavourable if momentary turn of events is pushing it into sf.
asciilifeform: document concerns usg circa 1947-1954.
asciilifeform: (linked by decimation)
mircea_popescu: diff story.
mircea_popescu: something tells me relatively l;ittle has changed tho
mircea_popescu: prolly a lot more usability, but little fundamental revision
asciilifeform: lol, lusability
asciilifeform: 'All Soviet interrogations are based on the assumptions that: (1) all prisoners are liars; (2) most Westerners can be bought; (3) those who cannot be bought can be broken; and (4) the process of breaking the prisoner can be continued as long as necessary to acquire the desired information.'
asciilifeform can picture the sheer machinist-grade squareness of the bricks these folks were shitting
asciilifeform: 'The rules of grammar are many and precise and the person who speaks Eskimo cannot make any ambiguous statements.' << really now.
asciilifeform has seen this said about more than one obscure natural language, it always seems to be a reflection of the linguist's ineptitude, in practice.
BingoBoingo: Or their ego being unable to accept that their research subjects might be making jokes about them in front of their face
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: by now i'd imagine that assumption is SOP. but we're dealing with a vintage piece here.
asciilifeform: although, margaret mead already got pwned in samoa long before...
asciilifeform: though again - joke not 'offically' exposed until '80s
nubbins`: wtf is "Eskimo"
asciilifeform: nubbins`: linked document (military manual) suggests a type of pidgin, which it claims can be understood in much of alaska and northeastern ussr
asciilifeform: and refers to it as 'eskimo.'
nubbins`: interesting
nubbins`: the word eskimo is seen as derogatory in canada these days, you don't really see it in print anymore
cazalla: https://www.youtube.com/v/7ljvEKOMElY state dept propaganda doesn't have shit on the ones IS make
asciilifeform: in ussr, most children knew the word - as a brand label of delicious ice cream.
nubbins`: in canada, we knew it as what is now called "inuit" :D
Apocalyptic: same in france
TheNewDeal: ;;nethash
gribble: 225405912.852
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00063455 = 2.8872 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00063186 = 2.1483 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00063484 = 6.1262 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7550 @ 0.00063664 = 4.8066 BTC [+]
assbot: Ferguson's Paradox
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4081 @ 0.00063495 = 2.5912 BTC [-]
assbot: Desmodromics Camshaft Mechanism
asciilifeform: and many other neat pictures.
asciilifeform: ^ spot the perpetuum mobile.
asciilifeform: !up strup`fndr
asciilifeform: ninjashogun?
asciilifeform: stirrup finder ?
kakobrekla: strup as in poison?
asciilifeform: strup`fndr> hi, yes I am the same person (startup founder, offered services as well.)
asciilifeform: !down strup`fndr
asciilifeform: ^ anyone who yearns to hear this fellow talk - can turn the required knob.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00063186 = 2.1167 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00063154 = 7.1048 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00063264 = 3.5428 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24000 @ 0.0006309 = 15.1416 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: !up strup`fndr
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11850 @ 0.00063264 = 7.4968 BTC [+]
TheNewDeal: ThickAsThieves any foia response?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10950 @ 0.00062792 = 6.8757 BTC [-]
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