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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3738 @ 0.00085349 = 3.1903 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21100 @ 0.00085279 = 17.9939 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.0008511 = 4.3406 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 80 @ 0.22050499 = 17.6404 BTC [-] {15}
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 473.37, Best ask: 475.49, Bid-ask spread: 2.12000, Last trade: 473.37, 24 hour volume: 7944.20342684, 24 hour low: 471.0, 24 hour high: 490.0, 24 hour vwap: 479.686229978
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell mike_c lemme know when you're on
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: There was a young girl from Hong Kong who said "It is shameful and wrong to say my vagina is the largest in China on account of your short little dong."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.2125 = 0.6375 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.2116 = 4.232 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: ;;rated ninjashogun
gribble: You have not yet rated user ninjashogun
mircea_popescu: ;;rate ninjashogun -1 One of the hellspawn of postmodernity, trying to earn a living out of substituting form for substance. Death is too good a fate, not o mention too substantial.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user ninjashogun has been recorded.
BingoBoingo: Sick burn there. I imagine Obama just about has to give ninjashogun a medal tomorrow for drawing such a rating.
RagnarDanneskjol: yes, quite a wistful, lovely negrate
punkman: short log day
assbot: daniel.haxx.se » HTTP/2 interop pains
RagnarDanneskjol: interesting
punkman: "let's make everyone use chrome"
punkman: even has an app store
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ROCK] 5200 @ 0.00055035 = 2.8618 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.21299999 = 1.065 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo RagnarDanneskjol i wasn't gonna say anything, but as romanian expression goes, "prostul daca nu-i fudul parca nu e prost destul".
mircea_popescu: dude just can't shut up about how stupid he is.
assbot: Whether You Love It or Hate It, Youre Missing What Really Matters About Bitcoin | Casey Research
mircea_popescu: bounce your site ?
bounce: nope
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.21299999 = 1.065 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "Paul Rosenberg Editor, A Free-Man’s Take"
mircea_popescu: there's never going to be an end of this "derp dude trying to position himself out of topeka" is there.
BingoBoingo: Never, infinite hitpoints
mircea_popescu: the infinite hitpoints thing is becoming such a problem i honestly don't see how actual physical testing of the infinity in question will be avoidable on the mid term.
kuzetsa levels up at ass
mircea_popescu: kinda why chicago is still crimetown while ny is a copacetic copy of leningrad : unlike the yanks, fucking illinoisians wouldn't yield on their infinite hitpoints.
kuzetsa: I don't understand the reference about hitpoints... is there like a roleplaying game involving alternate universe cities or something? where they have hitpoints and other stats?
mircea_popescu: ;;google the story of pointless and witless
gribble: The story of Pointless and Witless pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/the-story-of-pointless-and-witless/>; BIPS, Payment Service Provider (PSP) for Merchants - Bitcoin Forum: <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=252308.100>; Smash reviews The Hobbit: Desolation of Smaug (very minor spoilers ...: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: Definitely a problem up state.
kuzetsa: oh, it's on trilema? I didn't know you wrote fanfic. neat.
mircea_popescu: dignork: openbazaar published alpha tests of their platform. Looks interesting on paper. Shows seller gpg private key in raw contract, on the buyer side. Facepalm^2 <<< such great things come out of "the community".
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa i rarely do and this ain't it ?
mircea_popescu: i think the largest fanfic bit i ever wrote was a complete re-write of de sade, except done properly by someone who can actually write. sadly, in romanian. other bits and pieces in the same vein i guess. some poetry, rewritten, because oa can't write.
kuzetsa: I dunno, it looks like woodchipper fanfic to me
kuzetsa: though I don't understand fanfic well enough to know if woodchipper is even a real fandom
mircea_popescu: to be fanfic it needs a canon. what is the canon here ?
kuzetsa: you tried canons in woodchippers too? those probably have infinite hitpoints by woodchipper standards
mircea_popescu: hanbot: "A family of four should be able to survive for a month on a six-roll pack, priced at 460 yen ($4.40) and with a five-year expiration date, said Satoshi Kurosaki" <<< i guess they don't do the entire tping the house of people they don't like in japan.
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa to be a cocksucker one needs there be a cock ; to be fanfic there needs to be a canon, otherwise it's just fiction writing.
kuzetsa: no, that's not how that works
kuzetsa: can totally be a cocksucker without cocks around
mircea_popescu: in... your... dreamz.
kuzetsa: you don't stop being one just because you can't get any
mircea_popescu: it doesn't have to be "around" but it has to be.
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic: "Security exploits: 0.1 BTC" // this is plainly ridiculous << i lolled :D
kuzetsa: well I don't understand fiction very well either, so the idea of fanfic VS fiction writing isn't something that makes a lot of sense
kuzetsa: ... therefore, I stand corrected or whatever.
kuzetsa: I think that's what you were trying to explain, was that I said the wrong word and it's not fanfic?
kuzetsa: not sure where the cocks came into the discussion though O_O
mircea_popescu: it's assets, cocks tend to come into the discussion of their own accord.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: ninjashogun (ninjashogun) <yctechmgr@gmail.com> << lol! << if you google that, you get one other hit : a 3 month old yc discussion. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7812540
assbot: I've flagged this as well, for your argumentative style, specifically that you w... | Hacker News
mircea_popescu: it goes in the usual manner.
mircea_popescu: basically the problem here is this : penicilnecks, that is to say people who could not support their own existence with their own means (hence the fragile neck reference - needs support) can either be techs or politicos. obviously both of these are competence-based fields, and so while reality is a continuum nevertheless we can broadly distinguish the noob tech and the noob politico from the expert tech and the exper p
mircea_popescu: olitico respectively.
mircea_popescu: now the story here is that while both kinds of tech are actually useful and employable, neither kind of politico is. the expert politico doesn't need to be employed, of course, but that's not doing much for the vast majority of noobs, wanna-bes and untalented hacks populating that field.
mircea_popescu: so, learn from the experience of ninjashogun and a dozen or so other nameless, meanwhile forgotten fucktards that were beheaded in this chan : you're not good enough to earn your keep as a politico. not here, not ever.
mircea_popescu: forget it, be a shitty tech instead, that's still a living.
assbot: Last 9 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2ZVDXCW.txt )
mircea_popescu: now i have something to link to.
mircea_popescu: of course that happens to also be what sunk the us, broadly speaking, but hey.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Hearn being all butthurt << yeah it'd prolly be good if whoever links to derpchans (-otc, -dev, reddit, tardstalk, what have you) also provides a good executive summary. i dunno who has the energy to go on fishing expeditions in the sewage.
cazalla: that makes the top post on /r/bitcoin a floater?
assbot: Harry Potter and the Wonderful Wood Chipper, a harry potter fanfic | FanFiction
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10550 @ 0.00085073 = 8.9752 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: cazalla lol i guess so
mircea_popescu: There was a young girl from Hong Kong whose cervical cap was a gong. She said with a yell, as a shot rang her bell, "I'll give you a ding for a dong!"
assbot: wood chipper, a saw fanfic | FanFiction
mircea_popescu: There was a young girl from Peru who had literally nothing to do, so she sat on the stairs and counted cunt hairs : four thousand, three hundred and two.
cazalla: i had one for indian candy but she never came back
cazalla: http://imgur.com/mw3wr7t erotic for some reason
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
RagnarDanneskjol: there was a fat girl from berlin who had
RagnarDanneskjol: a much thinner and prettier twin
RagnarDanneskjol: the fat one so jealous, no attention from fellas
RagnarDanneskjol: so she learned how to play violin
cazalla: who gives a fuck if she plays violin if she can't suck dick
cazalla: (drinking)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30556 @ 0.00085115 = 26.0077 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: A Cartoon Guide to Becoming a Doctor: Dr. Orthochick: Nails in feet
mircea_popescu: <cazalla> i had one for indian candy but she never came back <<< wait for monsoon season ?
mircea_popescu: !up mapop
atcbot: No data returned from CoinMiner.net
atcbot: [PityThePool Hashrate]: 684.14 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.72 TH/s
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo is the mining pretty much as advertised ?
mircea_popescu: Patient: Oh yeah, we do it all the time.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3239 @ 0.00063102 = 2.0439 BTC [-] {7}
mircea_popescu: no wonder they're using nailguns to do in the finance muppets.
mircea_popescu: that's some heavy deniability right there.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Seems to be as advertised. Better than when it was pointed at Coinminer
mircea_popescu: where's it pointed at now ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Soloing
RagnarDanneskjol: oh. i thought y'all had a p2pool sorted already. so atc pool still could use some help then
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3757 @ 0.00085048 = 3.1953 BTC [-]
RagnarDanneskjol: what type of pool is pity?
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: Not yet.
BingoBoingo: Pity the pool is a Piece of shit pool
RagnarDanneskjol: seems to be mpos
BingoBoingo: Non-responsive operator, etc
RagnarDanneskjol: yes - same with everyone I had used in the past - mostly MIA
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 90 @ 0.20215594 = 18.194 BTC [-] {13}
chetty: well mining gets done all by itself, don't ya know
assbot: The difference between the swiss and american press. quite striking. http://t.co/FJCb82IH5o
mircea_popescu: There was a young girl from Peru who noticed her lovers were sparse so she walked out the door in a fig leaf - no more - and now she's in bed with a very sore arse.
mircea_popescu: mmm that peru should prolly be Hearse or some shit.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12150 @ 0.00084772 = 10.2998 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Only for "factory is going to blow up" alarms, then pop the alarm screen. otherwise only blink an icon on the main screen, the operator will see the icon and will press a push button to open alarm screen. >> http://forums.ge-ip.com/showthread.php?t=17267
assbot: Alarm popup in cimplicity only for special alarms?. - GE Intelligent Platforms e-Forum
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00085008 = 3.8254 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00085008 = 13.3463 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00085008 = 6.8006 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17850 @ 0.00084771 = 15.1316 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: "I'm running cimplicity on windows server 2008." "Only for "factory is going to blow up" alarms"
mircea_popescu: god help them.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4157 @ 0.00084717 = 3.5217 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3462 @ 0.00084717 = 2.9329 BTC [-]
punkman: look at all that No resolutions on bitbet
punkman: is there an easy way to make a transaction with multiple outputs on Electrum?
jurov: punkman Tools/Create transaction
punkman: is the csv format described somewhere?
jurov: just address, amount
jurov: one output per line
jurov: it will then show the tx for confirmation, so you can try safely
kakobrekla: more crazy people
assbot: PROOF OF ACTION | Chris Bates - Academia.edu
kakobrekla: o fuk bingo had me on the nipple.
kakobrekla: amazing
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
asciilifeform: proof-of-spam.
thestringpuller: proof of scam
asciilifeform: point of shit
asciilifeform: A family of four should be able to survive for a month on a six-roll pack, priced at 460 yen << move to jp, eat tp.
jurov: proof of action << devcoin does that, no?
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Masahiro Tanaka wins more than 15 games " http://bitbet.us/bet/739/ Odds: 19(Y):81(N) by coin, 49(Y):51(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.555 BTC. Current weight: 8,465.
kakobrekla: devcoin is sha256
assbot: Chatlogs: Hyrriiya and Sabu
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.2166 = 0.6498 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.21799999 = 0.654 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13384 @ 0.00085123 = 11.3929 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 7.40592272 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 644 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.40896790 BTC to 15`370 shares, 9167 satoshi per share
assbot: xanthyos +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
asciilifeform: !up xanthyos
xanthyos: 29-08-2014 02:21:27 <BingoBoingo> <mircea_popescu> what's this fresh danielpbarron drama BigBitz ? << My best impression is he is trying to WoT up a bunch of local acquaintances and... old tensions and dramas come forth, but I lack context to interpret severity... << it's a good test case for the aphorism "familiarity breeds contempt" when wot ratings are inversely proportional to how well someone is known
BigBitz: mircea_popescu what fresh drama?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.21 = 0.63 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 374 @ 0.004 = 1.496 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00084601 = 4.9915 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: where is assbot?
pankkake: in your ass
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00084538 = 14.7942 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 482.26, Best ask: 482.8, Bid-ask spread: 0.54000, Last trade: 482.8, 24 hour volume: 7362.58687932, 24 hour low: 470.42, 24 hour high: 484.61, 24 hour vwap: 477.605831829
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21350 @ 0.00084509 = 18.0427 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: btc7 - /
asciilifeform: (found in server logs, where else)
asciilifeform often finds these, but never sure if anybody gives a damn
punkman: asciilifeform: someone should post a few comments
punkman: we need some chinese people in the wot
asciilifeform: china is imho the one likely candidate for the feat of having own isolated wot and 'getting away with it' long term.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16208 @ 0.00084844 = 13.7515 BTC [+]
punkman: asciilifeform: can you dig a couple more out the logs? I'll give it a go
asciilifeform: punkman: don't have the older finds handy, but i'll take a look at some point
punkman: no rush
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.00084496 = 23.4054 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: ;;later tell ThickAsThieves What are the prospects of a BTC label? I imgaine if you find a good band before they are signed...
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: disks for btc
thestringpuller: disks for btc
[]bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $350 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1034/ Odds: 21(Y):79(N) by coin, 22(Y):78(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.28075596 BTC. Current weight: 93,294.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26900 @ 0.00084468 = 22.7219 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21450 @ 0.00084456 = 18.1158 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: get da satoshi's ya'll
[]bot: Bet placed: 1.95 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $350 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1034/ Odds: 15(Y):85(N) by coin, 15(Y):85(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.23075596 BTC. Current weight: 93,257.
assbot: Butt Covers For Your Cat and Dog Can Reduce Pet Homosexuality by 43% • ChristWire
ben_vulpes: such precision
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> http://8btc.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=767 << china does mircea_popescu << what, extradited again ?
assbot: btc7 - /
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'Вместо статуй будут урны - Революции культурной.' -- vysotsky's song about chicoms
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla if it has academia in the url it's respectable!
mircea_popescu: holy shit look at that crapolade. "problem statement. i nthe current state of social media interaction blablablabla"
asciilifeform: if pumped through 'google translate' - all bets are off
mircea_popescu: BigBitz i dunno, you rated him.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> china is imho the one likely candidate for the feat of having own isolated wot and 'getting away with it' long term. << nah, argentina in much better position.
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> http://christwire.org/2014/08/butt-covers-for-your-cat-and-dog-can-reduce-pet-homosexuality-by-43/ <<< sheeeit! if only we had known this earlier! fucking cheaper than gay rights, get them a butt hatch.
assbot: Butt Covers For Your Cat and Dog Can Reduce Pet Homosexuality by 43% • ChristWire
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: 'Вместо статуй будут урны - Революции культурной.' -- vysotsky's song about chicoms <<< dja haet chinese ppls or merely suspicious of anyone with slanty eyes ?
mircea_popescu: There was once a girl from St. Cyr whose reflex reactions were queer. Her escort said, "Mable, get up off the table. That money's to pay for the beer."
jurov: shoulda tell mom to make me butt cover
mircea_popescu: now we know what the jewish skirts are for,
mircea_popescu: cockcover.
assbot: Just To Let You All Know...
mircea_popescu: "The winter of 1783-1784. The Revolutionary War had just ended, and Benjamin Franklin was puzzling over the nation's bizarre weather. Congress had been delayed getting to Annapolis to vote for the Treaty of Paris because the Chesapeake Bay just wouldn't melt. The Mississippi River froze down to New Orleans, and ice was reported floating in the Gulf of Mexico."
mircea_popescu: apparently nobody gave franklin the memo that said floating icebergs in the gulf of mexico = GLOBAL WARMING.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24451 @ 0.00084331 = 20.6198 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i understand, the chinese 'wot' is their... genealogical tree. and i'm not certain that they'd see out wot as other than noise even were they to get out of that stage. (and why ought they)
asciilifeform: (as noise were it merged into theirs)
asciilifeform: this is also applicable, in theory, to any other people who would simply hammer a wot, were they to build one, to copy exactly their existing hierarchies
asciilifeform: one could possibly argue re: the chinese - but people at the 'afghanistan' stage of 'civilopaedia' need a wot in just the same way that a bird needs airplane
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51337 @ 0.0008425 = 43.2514 BTC [-] {2}
gernika: In China there is also the concept of "face," which I guess is is sort of like a "Web of Shame."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 40 @ 0.20057623 = 8.023 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: . - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 71 @ 0.18556196 = 13.1749 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34682 @ 0.00084167 = 29.1908 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66350 @ 0.00084092 = 55.795 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7850 @ 0.00084037 = 6.5969 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell thickasthieves holla
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: More than 30 teens escape Nashville youth detention center - LA Times
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 473.0, Best ask: 473.76, Bid-ask spread: 0.76000, Last trade: 473.0, 24 hour volume: 7354.53286549, 24 hour low: 470.42, 24 hour high: 484.61, 24 hour vwap: 477.092010119
X-Rob: Hah. mircea_popescu you may remember my diatribe about all the stupid design flaws in unattainium. I consider myself vindicated. http://i.imgur.com/HfH3kpV.png
BingoBoingo: X-Rob: What's that a picture of?
X-Rob: BingoBoingo: bittrex, with Unattainum saying 'DISABLED' next to it.
BingoBoingo: Ah, I saw the disabled part, but had no idea wtf the site was
Apocalyptic: X-Rob, isn't the doge hurting too much ?
X-Rob: Apocalyptic: I don't know where that doge came from. I lease my rig for doge, but I normally just convert it straight to btc.
X-Rob: It's worth 0.06BTC. Woo.
BingoBoingo: Wait, is Doge really trading for 28 satoshis per?
Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, I believe so
X-Rob: 27
BingoBoingo: My how its fallen
atcbot: No data returned from CoinMiner.net
atcbot: [PityThePool Hashrate]: 513.11 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.84 TH/s
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 271195.09 in 1497 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -85.56
X-Rob: Geez, still 1500 blocks to go?
assbot: absorptions: Mystery signal from a helicopter
BingoBoingo: X-Rob: Well, at least it is moving
BingoBoingo: !up tatinportland
BingoBoingo: Not to much
assbot: [BIP][Draft] SPV improvement for light wallet
tatinportland: met up with a friend here seeing if Ben is around
tatinportland: fuck hearn alrdy
tatinportland: hearn esta fragile
TheNewDeal: which ben
tatinportland: unless there are more Ben's in pland
TheNewDeal: ben_vulpes
BingoBoingo: ;;google Ben's in pland
gribble: Factory Tours | Ben & Jerry's: <http://www.benjerry.com/about-us/factory-tours>; Ben & Jerry's Waterbury Plant - Waterbury, VT | Yelp: <http://www.yelp.com/biz/ben-and-jerrys-waterbury-plant-waterbury>; Ben & Jerry's Factory Tour and Flavor Graveyard, Waterbury, Vermont: <http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/8545>
tatinportland: babes In toyland
tatinportland: dry I'm past sober a couple hrs ago
TheNewDeal: past sober... I like that mentality
assbot: You have your Windows in my Linux | Data Center - InfoWorld
assbot: In Maryland, a Soviet-Style Punishment for a Novelist - The Atlantic
BingoBoingo: !up tatinportland
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44666 @ 0.00083899 = 37.4743 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: tat im inbound to the victory
ben_vulpes: le ultra expensive american cab
ben_vulpes: tatinportland: ping
assbot: The Secret Pot-Growing Operations in America's Cornfields - The Atlantic
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00083614 = 2.8011 BTC [-]
decimation: asciilifeform: http://amzn.com/354045277X << lol at first I was like huh? then I read comments - hilarious
assbot: Chemical Shifts and Coupling Constants for Silicon-29 (Landolt-Barnstein: Numerical Data and Functional Relationshi): R. R. Gupta, M. D. Lechner, Heinrich Marsmann, Bozhana Mikhova, Frank Uhlig: 9783540452775: Amazon.com: Books
decimation: my understanding is that NMR resolution isn't good enough to be helpful for silicon-based integrated circuitry
decimation: asciilifeform: I always wondered about the rather large population of fortune tellers in Maryland. I'm glad that the state is regulating them to make them 'ok for you'.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26050 @ 0.00084006 = 21.8836 BTC [+] {3}
decimation: asciilifeform: "server logs" << these are from the http referer headers?
lobbes: "As they watched the bonfire die down, they asked the DEA officials to estimate the value of the marijuana they had just burned. The reply: half a million dollars. The farmers had to laugh. The value of the corn that had been cut down to grow it? $32" << heh, I wonder how many farmers just keep the plants
BingoBoingo: I have to imagine it can't be a non-trivial number
decimation: re: sabu/fbi irc chat << fyi, if you are a 'hacker' and someone tells you that they can 'hack NATO', you are being played
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00083976 = 22.8415 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: decimation: logs << yes
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: yes, they want to replace init.d scripts with a hearn-style binary turd. surprised ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: A bunch of Distros have already made the transition. The surprise is people are just now bitching about this.
asciilifeform: yet another... hearnia.
asciilifeform never saw them, never will see
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BingoBoingo: Hearnia probably ought to join the vocabulary
BingoBoingo: Any any painful techical change causing by ignoring the idiots long enough for their shit sacks to escape into the inguinal canal.
TheNewDeal: beautiful
asciilifeform: good news is - now choosing a linux distro is easier than ever before.
asciilifeform: (and choosing a bsd - easier yet.)
BingoBoingo: Indeed
asciilifeform: all those things that confounded the novice, like the piles of hay confounded buridan's donkey - aren't 'choices' at all, after all.
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BingoBoingo: I mean seriously, who wants to run a *nix laptop and not play with runlevels
asciilifeform: this isn't about the aesthetics, either.
asciilifeform: this is about microshit and usg (but i repeat myself) finally making some headway in dealing with the 'final solution' to the escapees from wintel 'problem.'
asciilifeform: there is a concerted effort to replace certain things with... various other things.
decimation: asciilifeform: I take it you are not a 'systemd' fan?
asciilifeform: howd'you guess
decimation: I'm not sure it's as conspiratorial as you make out, 'people want' to have their systems boot quickly
asciilifeform: what's inherently slow about init.d ?
BingoBoingo: decimation: No I want fucking control over how my system boots! And I don't want fucking dependency hell because I want my system in runlevel 4!
decimation: exactly the dependency issue. If you "know" what your system depends on, you can parallel-boot multiple processes simultaneously
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asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this is not just about depriving you of knobs to turn. the hearniators must clear some ground to emplace their hearnias - this requires demolishing some very well understood, traditional widget, so that it -must be replaced, dontcha know, it's obsolete-.
decimation: I think there's also some 'me-too'-ism with secure booting off the tpm module
asciilifeform: ah yes, the old fritz chip.
BingoBoingo: As notated in the logs from April - May this year after my scrotum's previous brush with illness and danger, the surprise Hearnia would be a most unwelcome guest.
decimation: after all, wouldn't you like to tie your boot process with opaque silicon?
BingoBoingo wonders if anyone here can recall when Mac OS machines stopped shipping with "resedit"
decimation: BingoBoingo: pre-bsd mac os was a turd
BingoBoingo: decimation: But is an intimately knowable one. OS 7 lives!
decimation: somehow there's motivation in the 'linux' world (by that I mean redhat) to make the OS 'go away'
decimation: so that you can just spin up multiple http/db stacks simultaneously
BingoBoingo: It's amazing how much though that could have been the case in LISP machine world.
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BingoBoingo: But instead people want Java world
decimation: what about LISP written in Java?
decimation: today I was trying to wrap my head around C++ std vector libraries
BingoBoingo: decimation: The Problem with Java is it denies the existence of Hardware
decimation: I was amazed that anyone could think that it's a great idea to give up control over your software using templates written by some committee
asciilifeform: decimation: these weren't designed for the comfort of the user - any more than electric chair was
asciilifeform: sizzle in comfort or on bare iron - not for the long pig to decide.
decimation: I was thinking about your point about how these languages put the programmer in 'jail' by separating 'language' and 'code'
decimation: it made me unhappy to be programming C++
BingoBoingo: It is amazing though how quickly the long pig can "go feral" in the wilderness, much like its namesake.
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mircea_popescu: X-Rob so you take delight in the disabilities of others ? i see how it is.
BingoBoingo: xanthyos: That's an interesting take. I didn't really have much background on the stuff when I started sitting on the now apparently defunct #BitcoinBarron chan
X-Rob: mircea_popescu: lying and stubborn headedness isn't a disability.
mircea_popescu: if that isn't a disability, i dunno what is :)
BingoBoingo can tell it is statement season because the logs are so thin. I guess it is a consequence of so many things going on
TheNewDeal: statement season?
mircea_popescu: but anyway, i'm beinf facetious for the fun of humiliating they absent third parties that believe in form and formalism.
BingoBoingo: Form is useful to a point, but by the time you take it far enough to add -ism it's gone too far.
mircea_popescu: form in itself is never useful.
mircea_popescu: form as used by they with a lot of substance isn't even form per se anymore.
mircea_popescu: me killing dopey-popo-plus being a fine example of exactly this.
BingoBoingo: Well form must always exist as a +1 onto something else to be useful.
TheNewDeal: form and function are quite useful tools for analysis . anatomy teacher used to preach it in secondary school
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Form and function aren't "things" though. Function is a requirement and form is a structure for implementation.
TheNewDeal: form is an abstract thing
mthreat: <mircea_popescu> mthreat how did the exclusion clauses work in search agai ? // the minus sign excludes terms, e.g. wheat -chaff
TheNewDeal: for instance if you looked at computer code you could ask. What does it accomplish (what is it's function?)? and How did it go about doing that (in what form?)?
BingoBoingo: The20YearIRCloud: Well, right. You can't give me pyramid, though you can give me pyramids or a pyramid.
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mircea_popescu: mthreat aty!
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal there's a difference between form as you use it and form as used before. yours is the result of everything spurious being taken away, it's the form of livingthings chiseled in a million years of predition and ovulation.
decimation: mircea_popescu: so you aren't a Platonist?
mircea_popescu: the other thing is a convention, the result of nothing but spuriousness.
mircea_popescu: decimation indeed not, how could i ever be ?
mircea_popescu: what gave it away and what made you think that in teh first place
decimation: hehe I didn't. but you aren't a fan of Aristotle either?
mircea_popescu: in parts. contrary to what the european hordes thought, aristotle holds not the answer to everything,.
decimation: In your urban v. rural article, you mentioned that the surveillance state is "feminine thinking". what do you mean by that?
BingoBoingo: The first giant red flag I experienced about grad school in philosophy was that a classmate existed such that they claimed to be an absolute Berkely/Hume Idealist
decimation: BingoBoingo: what was your classmate's theory on the Observer who animates the cosmos?
BingoBoingo: decimation: I don't remember if I ever knew. You just kind of tune someone out after that.
mircea_popescu: decimation it's a large topic.
decimation: I get what you are saying about the cost of information storage and processing being nearly infinite, so it's a foolish idea to begin with. My guess at the "feminine" part was that this bureaucracy imagines it can comprehensively exercise control over the world without a face-to-face confrontation.
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