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mircea_popescu: i am now getting argentine spam on top of everything
assbot: A Bitcoin Backbone | The Bitcoin Foundation
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo matt's backbone thing ? why ?
BingoBoingo: It didn't come from a typical muppet
BingoBoingo: Just really everything it isn't is amazing
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24400 @ 0.00063624 = 15.5243 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.29 = 0.58 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19350 @ 0.00063575 = 12.3018 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Wtf is this for an app add description!? Punish their women, I mean really? /hashtag/DragonvsGod?src=hash /hashtag/AppStore?src=hash /Kotaku http://t.co/Ut6mtZg016
mircea_popescu: someone's gotta do it.
asciilifeform: 'what is best in life? to crush your enemies, see them driven before you, hear the lamentations of their women.'
asciilifeform: ^ probably referred to this
mircea_popescu: prolly. chinese corp.
pete_dushenski: so this church dood is a piece o work eh
pete_dushenski: never heard of him prior
pete_dushenski: ;;isitup trilema.com
gribble: Error: "isitup" is not a valid command.
pete_dushenski: ;;isitdown trilema.com
gribble: trilema.com is down
pete_dushenski: first they go for mpoe, then trilema, then… the salmon
pete_dushenski: this being war and all
mircea_popescu: yup server crapped out.
pete_dushenski: whoever it is has skillz the canadian armed farces can only dream of
mircea_popescu: will be back later.
assbot: Last 12 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0GZ42BE.txt )
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, the process through which girls become wives and us citizens usg informants. << and who precisely did the wives piss off? their fathers?
mircea_popescu: well no, the husband.
pete_dushenski: so how is the husband "the wrong person?"
mircea_popescu: lessee here
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: like the old u.s. army ad, 'be an army of one.' << i remember these well, wondered if they were effective..
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski inasmuch as the married female has no rights and no recourse, pissing off her husband is pissing off the wrong guy. she quickly learns not to do that.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski trilema back on.
pete_dushenski: *no* rights and *no* recourse? perhaps outside of north america.
mircea_popescu: outside of the very thin sliver of things that is north america 1980-2020ish.
mircea_popescu: and some other places and times, equally narrow to irrelevance.
pete_dushenski: lol fair enough
pete_dushenski: an historical aberration to be sure.
pete_dushenski: and even within this temporal vortex there are married women with wisdom
mircea_popescu: i'm making no value judgement here, merely using an example to illuminate a point.
pete_dushenski: understood.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform:jailer turned the entire building on a pivot - with hand crank. << whoa
pete_dushenski: ;;google rotating prison 1800
gribble: Modern Prison History - Drtomoconnor.com: <http://www.drtomoconnor.com/1050/1050lect01a.htm>; The Rotating Prison in the Mountain - story cylinder allegory ...: <http://ask.metafilter.com/78414/The-Rotating-Prison-in-the-Mountain>; Greatest Mathematicians born between 1700 and 1800 A.D.: <http://fabpedigree.com/james/grmatm4.htm>
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26722 @ 0.00063946 = 17.0877 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: til difference between pennsylvania prison system and auburn prison system
pete_dushenski: panopticon vs typical rows
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: mkay. so in th forest there lived this very horny, huge schlong bear. sort of like one eye pete of the beardom. << with all the petes littering b-a these days, i don't even know if i'm the one who gets to blush at this
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Yen to strengthen against Dollar" http://bitbet.us/bet/975/ Odds: 22(Y):78(N) by coin, 28(Y):72(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.5 BTC. Current weight: 68,774.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: average impressions per day. << and here i was thinking that we were moving beyond that broken old quantification of clicks business
assbot: News is bad for you and giving up reading it will make you happier | Media | The Guardian
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell princessnell please to note: "Online news has an even worse impact. In a 2001 study two scholars in Canada showed that comprehension declines as the number of hyperlinks in a document increases."
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: "So terrorism is over-rated. Chronic stress is under-rated. The collapse of Lehman Brothers is overrated. Fiscal irresponsibility is under-rated. Astronauts are over-rated. Nurses are under-rated. We are not rational enough to be exposed to the press."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38250 @ 0.00063997 = 24.4789 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39000 @ 0.00063711 = 24.8473 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: A Tiny RSA Cryptosystem based on Arduino Microcontroller Useful for Small Scale Networks
RagnarDanneskjol: (A Censorship-Resistant, Privacy-Enhancing and Fully Decentralized Name System) - Gnu Name System
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 582 @ 0.00144989 = 0.8438 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9346 @ 0.00063569 = 5.9412 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: !up mckmuze
fluffypony: that looks nom
fluffypony: I really hope Fat Fish has oysters today
fluffypony: I have a haircut at 12:30 and I feel like oysters for lunch
BingoBoingo: fluffypony You ever set up a mining pool before?
fluffypony: just use NOMP, BingoBoingo
fluffypony: it's pretty easy to setup afaik
RagnarDanneskjol: not exactly that easy once you get into the weeds of it, but doable
RagnarDanneskjol: Bingo - you got my message re ixnay on the livechains, yes?
BingoBoingo: ;;ident RagnarDanneskjol
RagnarDanneskjol: what is protocol for foot in mouth statements made in here - I can't neg rate cause he's not on WoT
gribble: Nick 'RagnarDanneskjol', with hostmask 'RagnarDanneskjol!~ragnardan@75-23-231-33.lightspeed.lgngca.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'RagnarDanneskjol', with GPG key id 35D2E1A0457E6498, key fingerprint B4AF6458D7D8A2846F91807935D2E1A0457E6498, and bitcoin address 14ixghmHMcB4szGL3ue5WJ1qnjnWnQXiP6
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: It depends
RagnarDanneskjol: what would you do in this case?
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: Well since this inquiry was about getting a cheap pool and their sales pitch was for us to buy and ship them a metric fuckton of mining equiptment... Prolly just watch them until they collapse on their own
BingoBoingo: Absolutely no information offered on pool pricing
RagnarDanneskjol: He did over the phone - again, I used him in the past, no probs, but everything that came up online looked bad
BingoBoingo: !up dogless
RagnarDanneskjol: also used this one before - kind of a neat model: https://nicehash.com/
assbot: NiceHash
dogless: hello. I am just crusing. through. I am driving. gotto go.
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: Well, nicehash seems to just do hash rental
RagnarDanneskjol: oh yea, right. still need the pool
BingoBoingo: Hash is cheap and easy, verifiably honest pools are harder
RagnarDanneskjol: I'm gonna try to give it another shot this weekend. Last time i wound up pulling my hair out, but issues were all related to unusually fast homebrewcoin i was using
RagnarDanneskjol: never tried to do a normal coin pool
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 1.66 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 645.58 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.07 TH/s
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00063472 = 14.8524 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: Well X-Rob was talking about something. May just be the sort of situation where a person just has to get their hands dirty
X-Rob: BingoBoingo: wat
X-Rob: Oh right
BingoBoingo: X-Rob: A pool that can take hashpower more stably than that coinminer thing
X-Rob: Yeah. I'll set up a proper pool this weekend
BingoBoingo: Ideally similar uber transparent p2pool thing with a basic stats web page, just a lot like Coinminer but not shitty.
BingoBoingo: !up zitos
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 25 @ 0.266586 = 6.6647 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 50 @ 0.0217227 = 1.0861 BTC [-]
assbot: Are we becoming more STUPID? IQ scores are decreasing | Mail Online
assbot: BitBet - 1BTC >= $10,000 USD :: 75 B (9%) on Yes, 732.28 B (91%) on No | closing in 2 months 4 weeks | weight: 25`053 (100`000 to 1)
mircea_popescu: one of the larger bets.
mircea_popescu: chetty well, they not we.
chetty: well they aren't talking about old folks, the next generations
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 50 @ 0.0217227 = 1.0861 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: !up nonick
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 507.25, Best ask: 507.61, Bid-ask spread: 0.36000, Last trade: 507.25, 24 hour volume: 13490.89957086, 24 hour low: 502.25, 24 hour high: 530.0, 24 hour vwap: 517.350073897
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48450 @ 0.0006332 = 30.6785 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00062905 = 13.6504 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: !up jaycutler6969
assbot: Swedish doctors cannot explain rise in hypospadias penis birth defect - Science - News - The Independent
assbot: Prohibited Businesses
RagnarDanneskjol: #13 seems fairly broad, could be anyone
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22237 @ 0.00062821 = 13.9695 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1246 @ 0.00062905 = 0.7838 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: pankkake: i've been using Coinbase to gamble on bitbet for a year now
thestringpuller: not directly but the coins that go into bitbet from me were acquired via coinbase ;)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00063396 = 11.7283 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: http://sci.ph/#/contact ~_~ all start up pages are looking the same
assbot: Satoshi Citadel Industries
assbot: usagi +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -5
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2424 @ 0.00136358 = 3.3053 BTC [-] {7}
chetty: !up usagi
thestringpuller: ;;gettrust assbot usagi
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask usagi!~tsukino22@unaffiliated/tsukino. Trust relationship from user assbot to user usagi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -5 via 7 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=usagi | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=usagi | Rated since: Mon Jun 18 12:33:55 2012
gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None
usagi: thx
usagi: Reversion to the mean... re: married women and rights, it's a deep and complex social issue
usagi: The taxation unit of days gone by was the family. When society finally collapses we will revert to that sort of structure and married women will lose all rights includign the right to vote
chetty: <usagi> Reversion to the mean... re: married women and rights, it's a deep and complex social issue/nah its easy, get rid of marriage, get the state out of it
usagi: They won't necessarily be worse off you know. I mean married women. Single women will probably still be able to pay taxes and vote
chetty: <usagi> They won't necessarily be worse off you know. I mean married women. Single women will probably still be able to pay taxes and vote// are those supposed to be 'rights'?
usagi: chetty; Womens rights as we know them today destroyed american society
chetty: usagi, no, this whole notion of rights, its not specific to women
pankkake: there's an interesting pattern though. Germany allows women to vote, Hitler gets elected
usagi: By creating competition in the workforce between men and women, the middle class family unit (what you might think of as the backbone of the american workforce) was deemed uneconomical. Now you have to have two working parents to survive
usagi: it really damaged the family unit and the moral fiber of america
usagi: Career women don't raise kids, so you see a much lower birthrate.
usagi: Look what happened in Japan.
pankkake: but the cause isn't women's rights, the cause is taxes
usagi: That's also why you are seeing lower wages. People don't NEED as much money to live anymore, since there are many more single people
usagi: And then you have the issue of maternity leave
usagi: Women who stop working because they're having children don't usually go back to work
usagi: another massive waste of time and resources
usagi: Where I work every year someone quits because they're having a child, and they never come back
chetty: before the 60s a woman couldnt even have her own credit, married or not
xmj: fun fact
usagi: Meh that's bs.. there's a lot of bs floating around about womens rightgs
xmj: the last canton in switzerland was forced to introduce unversal suffrage/female voting rights in 1990.
xmj: ^ Appenzell
assbot: Women's suffrage in Switzerland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
usagi: A bank would normally refuse a woman a credit card for example, because it was so unlikely for her to be able to pay it back
chetty: usagi, not bs, I lived it
usagi: If she could prove income she certainly would not need her working husband to cosign
assbot: Ending Women's Suffrage - YouTube
chetty: yes she did, and if not husband then father
xmj: pankkake: please let's go beyond women's suffrage and end democracy.
usagi: So when Fanny Hopkins was the bank manager of London & County Bank
usagi: in 1859.. for like 40 years
usagi: women couldn't get credit?
usagi: Dunno, I'm sure there was prejudice, but as they say, capital has a will of it's own, banks wouldn't refuse someone who had stable income
xmj: well
chetty: maybe UK was different, was certainly true in US
chetty: if husband passed early wife and children left behind could collect SS, if wife died early it was gone
chetty: there were a lot of inequities, but I still hate femnazi as practiced today
usagi: Credit card companies are private corporations. Why would they refuse to issue an unmarried woman a credit card?
usagi: If I can sell eggs to a woman, take her money to cut her hair, take her bank deposit, why wouldn't I want to loan her money?
chetty: maybe that was before they got so greedy
usagi: I've been taking a look at a few internet lists of things women couldn't do in year x, y or z.. there is a lot of bs
usagi: One list says women couldn't study at institutions like harvard and yale until the 70s
usagi: But yale had been admitting women students as early as 1892 even into graduate programs
chetty: rewriting history is a popular occupation these days
chetty: muddy the waters nicely
usagi: In 1783 they had a female president.
usagi: That's a little too convenient, comaining that history has been rewritten
usagi: claiming*
usagi: Although I am sure it has happened before
chetty: no, I mean the list you are reading is the thing rewriten
chetty: much like blacks get left out of the american revolution ...
usagi: The other factor is that humans have a very long written history.
chetty: this history of all this stuff is still there, it just gets left out of the 'common' versions
usagi: Perhaps those in charge of the issuance of credit simply knew ahead of time what would happen once they started giving married women credit cards?
chetty: I repeat, it was not just married, it was female, period
usagi: There's too much evidence that wasn't the case
usagi: I have a pretty good feeling that the general case of women being denied is because they would present a credit risk
chetty: well all your evidence didnt let my mother buy a house, her fathers signature did
usagi: When asked how they planned to repay their loan, what do you think they would have said?
usagi: Not havign a job or an education or a husband?
usagi: Who in their right minds would have issued them credit?
chetty: my mother was a judge
usagi: Case in point :)
usagi: Women had it pretty good back then. IMO of course.
usagi: She probably made more than most working men
RagnarDanneskjol: !up RagnarsBitch
usagi: A lot of this is really beside the point. We're ignoring the fact that women could have incorporated a company with a willing lawyer
usagi: Even with a female lawyer
usagi: And they could have done anything they wanted in the name of their corporation.
usagi: But this would require some amount of money (which it is obvious the women being denied credit -- for example -- did not have)
chetty: yup thats why I say the whole rights thing is stupid, and femnazi even more so
usagi: The fact that this is never mentioned nor explored is more a testament to the reason why women generally didn't have any rights in the first place than anything else
usagi: I sort of agree, but I am not sure I would want to go back to society the way it was 100 years ago either
usagi: Women having the right to go on the pill and become self employed, ahem, is a great thing. Really.
usagi: I say let em do whatever they want
chetty: no let involved ...
assbot: OKCoin Reveals 104% BTC Reserves as China's Exchanges Undergo Audits
chetty: !up usagi
usagi: thanks but the kids are home, bbl
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24282 @ 0.00063514 = 15.4225 BTC [+]
usagi: "Proof-of-reserves for digital currency exchanges has been a sensitive issue in the community since the collapse of Mt Gox in February."
xmj: lol
xmj: IOW everyone does fractional reserve.
usagi: Apparently not OKCoin
usagi: A popular exchange makes so much money I have no idea why they would go fractoinal reserve, it just adds risk
usagi: Its the one thing I never really understood about mtgox.. they were making hundreds of million a year
usagi: And they still managed to screw it up.. unbelievable
usagi: You would think they could just pay it out of profits, at least that
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mike_c: +1, i was surprised to see the addition.
mike_c: and as an aside, it is embarrassing for this channel that tweets are scraped and repeated from links but not references to the log!
mike_c: i guess the way to do it would be to use query parameters instead of hash tags..
mike_c: oh, or assbot could just recognize the link to log and use the hashtag.
usagi: Only a matter of time before someone applied the lessons of HFT to bitcoin.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28522 @ 0.00063477 = 18.1049 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 397 @ 0.00135104 = 0.5364 BTC [-] {6}
thestringpuller: mike_c: what addition?
thestringpuller: oh for van-ads
gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None
thestringpuller: how are tweets not referenced in the log?
thestringpuller: assbot announces them when linked...
thestringpuller: am I missing something?
mike_c: thestringpuller: yeah, i was complaining that the actual tweet is mentioned in channel, but the actual log line is not.
mike_c: complaining about free tools is classy.
kakobrekla: oh you are complaining about that?
mike_c: i was, yes.
kakobrekla: ben_vulpes did that already.
kakobrekla: didnt work.
mike_c: yes, i remember. hm. i am now envisioning a page that lists desired features with a tip jar and people can pay for shit they want done.
mike_c: probably wouldn't work.
kakobrekla: imma fix it nao
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00063515 = 8.0664 BTC [+]
assbot: NSA Agents Leak Tor Bugs To Developers - Slashdot
xmj: anyone know which IRC network Ramez Naan idles on?
assbot: Ramez Naam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00063393 = 6.0223 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 22-08-2014 14:32:21; mike_c: probably wouldn't work.
mike_c: nice!
thestringpuller: http://thezoepost.wordpress.com/ << I don't even know how to interpet this.
assbot: thezoepost
[]bot: Bet placed: 1.99981424 BTC for Yes on "BTC Difficulty over 31Bn before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1028/ Odds: 79(Y):21(N) by coin, 79(Y):21(N) by weight. Total bet: 29.48701626 BTC. Current weight: 94,953.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12695 @ 0.00063732 = 8.0908 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski gotta play the game to win.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla, mike_c: "complaining" << look who's rewriting history nao
punkman: thestringpuller: wait, people are lining up to fuck this thing? http://www.massdigi.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/DSC_0585-001.jpg
mike_c: ThickAsThieves: 266? crazy talk.
mike_c: you still short?
kakobrekla: not still, again!
jurov: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 518.65, Best ask: 519.99, Bid-ask spread: 1.34000, Last trade: 520.0, 24 hour volume: 15220.06221684, 24 hour low: 500.01, 24 hour high: 530.0, 24 hour vwap: 515.638702827
kakobrekla: !up ThickAsThieves
ThickAsThieves: kako has it, short again
mike_c: idk, i don't like those tea leaves. but if you believe it you should get some odds. http://bitbet.us/bet/1029/
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $400 before October :: 1.12 B (24%) on Yes, 3.59 B (76%) on No | closing in 1 month 2 days | weight: 95`935 (100`000 to 1)
mike_c: you drop a pile of btc on that and you will get action.
ThickAsThieves: i'm watching it all very closely
ThickAsThieves: maybe i will
mike_c: this could be your revenge for the dec. diff bet :)
mike_c: clean out bitbettors!
ThickAsThieves: or me not learning my lesson
mike_c: it's not gambling it's investing.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.00063726 = 12.8727 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: it's both
ThickAsThieves: it's neither
ThickAsThieves: mpoe is already trading like it's the 266 days
mike_c: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00062821 / 0.00063759 / 0.00064542 (782213 shares, 498.74 BTC), 7D: 0.00062821 / 0.0006955 / 0.0007468 (5196015 shares, 3,613.87 BTC), 30D: 0.00062821 / 0.0007827 / 0.00094217 (17785587 shares, 13,920.91 BTC)
mike_c: even lower. last time mpoe was this low btc was 80
ThickAsThieves: it was due for correction
ThickAsThieves: i like swol's chart, lol
mike_c: market is uncertain about swol. which seems appropriate to me.
ThickAsThieves: i'm long on it :)
Duffer1: swol?
assbot: War of Life - Cellular automata to the death!
Duffer1: oh war of life
mike_c: glad i got my plug in before you realized :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.58080095 BTC to 14`991 shares, 10545 satoshi per share
thestringpuller: LOL @ punkman wow just wow just wow
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 10.90188624 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 948 satoshi per share
assbot: Shit /r/Bitcoin says (shit_rbtc_says) auf Twitter
BingoBoingo: Wait, so http://devilsadvocate.biz/btcusd-mega-bear-outlook/ is actually going to be a catalyst for $700+ ?
assbot: BTCUSD: Mega Bear Outlook
ThickAsThieves: BingoBoingo I haven't really worked on charting that high much, it's just one possibility
ThickAsThieves: of which there is infinite supply of course
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Well, I was referring to your last prediction, but... I've blogged wrond bitbet predictions...
ThickAsThieves: yeah, i do think it would easily go to 700 after 300
ThickAsThieves: the market is mostly led by china and margin traders
ThickAsThieves: which means price can snap hard
ThickAsThieves: and be manipulated
jurov: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 316982 | Current Difficulty: 2.38446700388033E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 318527 | Next Difficulty In: 1545 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 8 hours, 43 minutes, and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 26963406238.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 13.07939
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
jurov: ;;calc 13462580114525*2.9/100/1e8
gribble: Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (<string>, line 1)
jurov: ;;calc 13462580114525*2.9/100e8
gribble: Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (<string>, line 1)
jurov: ;;calc 13462580114525*2.9
gribble: 3.90414823321e+13
jurov: ;;calc 3.90414823321e+13/100e8
gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
jurov: ;;calc 3.90414823321e13/100e8
gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
jurov: ;;calc 2.38446700388033E10/13462580114525
gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
thestringpuller: poor jurov
thestringpuller: you gotta multiply dem numbers out
jurov: mircea wrote it was 13`462`580`114`525.3 at JUN settlement
jurov: which is more than 2.38446700388033E10
jurov: apparently mircea moved the decimal dot
thestringpuller: interesting
assbot: X.IDIFF.JUN has settled. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
thestringpuller: accounting error?
jurov: anyway, 2.38446700388033E10/13462580114.525 - difference between JUN and now is 1.77
jurov: so x.idiff.sep should be covered
jurov: thestringpuller: how am i supposed to multiply what?
thestringpuller: you can't use sceintific notation with gribble
thestringpuller: you have to do 3.9090532 * 10 ^ 4;
thestringpuller: ;;calc 3.14 * 10 ^ 5
gribble: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
thestringpuller: ;;calc 3.14 * 10^5
gribble: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
thestringpuller: ;;calc 3.14 * 10**5
gribble: 314000
thestringpuller: year you go
jurov: what's this, php?
asciilifeform: ;;rate foofingers 1 human, meatspace colleague.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user foofingers has been recorded.
thestringpuller: jurov: MPEx uses plenty of php...
jurov: lol that's excuse now?
thestringpuller: i just saying!
thestringpuller: oh jurov you are cool
jurov: iirc there was a bug in homebrew float parser in php
jurov: that caused ddos
jurov: so i got an idea like gribble is patched against it
The20YearIRCloud: for mpex?
jurov: no, in std phph 5
foofingers: Hi people. My is Daniel Marcus. I work together with asciilifeform. And I'm here to do some business with bitcoins. Thank you for having me!
jurov: Hi foofingers. What business?
foofingers: lets say... my ass and vaseline for bitcoins
jurov: what, mircea put another buttcoinlike challenge?
thestringpuller: !s nubbins` format
thestringpuller: !s nubbins` psd
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13850 @ 0.00063752 = 8.8297 BTC [+]
assbot: Bitstamp: No withdrawals for Bitcoin related companies
assbot: depositing to bitstamp would be faster with a donkey
thestringpuller: Bitstamp is goxxing itself?
thestringpuller: Woe is me.
BingoBoingo: ;;google they really are buttcoins nao
gribble: They really are Buttcoins nao pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2013/they-really-are-buttcoins-nao/>; what is in the mind of r/buttcoin? - Bitcoin Forum: <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=727776.0>; PREV: 03-08-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2014>
assbot: They really are Buttcoins nao pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pankkake: I fear you left a note to someone named "foofingers,"
BingoBoingo: Why did I spell it wrong?
pankkake: the ,
assbot: They really are Buttcoins nao pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] [PAID] 1.87696688 BTC to 29`438 shares, 6376 satoshi per share
BingoBoingo: !up gernika
gernika: Thanks BingoBoingo. I'm just here to watch and learn for now :)
chetty: we seem to be getting a lot of watchers lately :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24689 @ 0.00063776 = 15.7457 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Yeah we do. WOnder what's up?
mike_c: ~175 non-voiced. now i'm self conscious.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24300 @ 0.00063851 = 15.5158 BTC [+] {3}
gernika: #bitcoin-assets is an oasis in a desert of bitcoin idiocy.
punkman: gernika, not just bitcoin
gernika: true
mike_c: also useful if you need to build a satellite that will stay in orbit.
punkman: mike_c: heh
chetty: <gernika> #bitcoin-assets is an oasis in a desert of bitcoin idiocy.// oasis in a world of insanity
punkman: world of malpidity
ben_vulpes: what's on the -assets reading list right now?
ben_vulpes: i'm working through the berkshire hathaway letters and "fooled by randomness"
ben_vulpes: i want something on the fall of rome written ~1800 or earlier
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: fooled by randomness, being the first, was also the least developed of taleb's trilogy
chetty: lol, I was just thinking when you asked about reading that it was time for Rome
pete_dushenski: and for the rome bit, there's no other than edward gibbons' decline and fall of the roman empire
assbot: Amazon.com: The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, vol. 1-6 (Everyman's Library) (9780307700766): Edward Gibbon: Books
chetty: although, something on the ottoman empire might be wise atm
pete_dushenski: a! gibbon, not gibbons
ben_vulpes: ooh ooh pete_dushenski what was the book you recently mentioned on zhghghzgzhggis kahn?
pete_dushenski: different one altgother
assbot: Amazon.com: Genghis Khan and the Making of the Modern World (9780609809648): Jack Weatherford: Books
pete_dushenski: newer style, still interesting
pete_dushenski: as was dan carlin's hardcore history series on the khans
assbot: Dan Carlin - Podcasts, Merchandise, Blog, and Community Website
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31150 @ 0.00063703 = 19.8435 BTC [-] {3}
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: do you have any rec's on the ottoman empire?
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: can't say i do...
pete_dushenski: though i'm in the midst of herotodus' the histories and i'd highly recommend it :)
ben_vulpes: hm cromer has a book called "political and literary essays"
ben_vulpes: i enjoyed his stories of running egypt, so i think i'll pull that into the queue.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ottoman empire << 'the sultans' (n. barber)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: one of the most riotously fun works by any modern historian on any subject.
ben_vulpes: oh shit asciilifeform your name alone reminds of of "the art of not being governed"
ben_vulpes: and thank you!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if you liked TAOFBG, read the author's (j. c. scott) other works. they all fit the theme.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: *TAOFNBG, lol
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: *TAONBG.
ben_vulpes: well, i've yet to read the thing, but thanks for the add'l recs.
ben_vulpes: amusingly, hardcover copies of the sultans are avail for $0.01, but not digitized.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: you don't want digitized anyways ;)
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: and why not?
pete_dushenski: 1. you won't remember it as well
pete_dushenski: 2. harder on your eyes
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ROCK] 3000 @ 0.000609 = 1.827 BTC [-] {3}
pete_dushenski: the only "digital" books i read are audiobooks
ben_vulpes: i use an e-reader for actual "reading".
ben_vulpes: i refuse to even use the backlit models.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: which herodotus translation are you reading?
pete_dushenski: george rawlinson
pete_dushenski: as well as the "blackstone audiobook anonymously translated" edition
ben_vulpes: > rawlinson
ben_vulpes: > 1859
ben_vulpes: > perfect
ben_vulpes: lovely, pete_dushenski, many thanks.
ThickAsThieves: i've taken to audio "reading" lately too
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 57 @ 0.00933663 = 0.5322 BTC [-] {13}
ThickAsThieves: that way i can get off my ass and walk around the neighborhood
pete_dushenski: ThickAsThieves: exactly!
ben_vulpes: what, you guys can't read and walk at the same time?
ThickAsThieves: it amazes me how some of the voice actors really make you believe they wrote it
pete_dushenski: go for a bike ride, run, walk, anything other than restlessly sit on two buttcheeks
ThickAsThieves: i'm listening to Snow Crash currently, after getting burnt out on Taleb telling everything what it's problem is
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: i guess there's treadmills
ben_vulpes: the way i bike precludes ear anythings.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: o you bike too hard to learn?
ben_vulpes: no, i ride in traffic and need very good situational awareness.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.01042979 = 0.5215 BTC [-] {4}
mike_c: v1 of a bet calculator. hopefully it's slightly less complicated than the actual game. https://btc.waroflife.com/gow/27/#bet_calculator
assbot: Game 27 - Death 3954 Life 6046 Year 480 - War of Life
pete_dushenski: until the day i get hit by a car and my jewfro helmet cracks, traffic won't stop me from wizzing by at 40kph while i get my history on
pete_dushenski: they see me, they don't want to hit me, easy as that
pete_dushenski: act like you own the road and its yours for the taking
ben_vulpes: canadian drivers are even more passive than portland drivers.
ben_vulpes: these habits were formed in ny, fwiw.
ben_vulpes: "bike as though you've a million dollar bounty on your head and a neon jersey proclaiming such", as the aforementioned stephenson wrote somewhere sometime
punkman: pete_dushenski: sounds like a death wish
pete_dushenski: punkman: my friends and family would agree
pete_dushenski: it comes down to risk tolerance and not having been (yet) bitten by fate
punkman: on the other hand, I'm pretty used to cars wizzing by at a few inches distance
pete_dushenski: !up bats_cd03
bats_cd03: just wanted to share a message to ISIS http://i.imgur.com/eFU2YKi.png
bats_cd03: i know mircea_popescu would approve, somehow
bats_cd03: ben_vulpes: hows vanads coming along?
assbot: Interviews: Andrew "bunnie" Huang Answers Your Questions - Slashdot
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00063937 = 9.4627 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00063937 = 6.7134 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: bats_cd03: pretty well
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 1.65 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 646.34 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 6.49 TH/s
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 1.23 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 629.93 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 4.73 TH/s
BingoBoingo: ^OMG all this Hash
Apocalyptic: dat iSpace pool
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.69 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 705.52 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 4.86 TH/s
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 518.93, vol: 16696.69408067 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 512.532, vol: 4955.29276 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 516.85, vol: 12643.95610087 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 525.18, vol: 14.19643528 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 515.30379, vol: 32783.35370000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 529.95385, vol: 9.62058564 | Volume-weighted last average: 516.296919007
pete_dushenski: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 317014 | Current Difficulty: 2.38446700388033E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 318527 | Next Difficulty In: 1513 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 9 hours, 32 minutes, and 25 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 26939001289.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 12.97704
pete_dushenski: it'll be another 20% change yet.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27650 @ 0.00063948 = 17.6816 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 516.6, Best ask: 518.94, Bid-ask spread: 2.34000, Last trade: 518.98, 24 hour volume: 16674.48447915, 24 hour low: 500.01, 24 hour high: 528.0, 24 hour vwap: 515.219441522
assbot: Canadian television journalist arrested under order of Capt. Johnson : News
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: he shoulda been more polite ;/
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Who knows
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22150 @ 0.00063863 = 14.1457 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell ben_vulpes have you seen john wayne as zjchinghis? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHt0Pb8rkXU
assbot: The Conqueror original theatrical trailer - YouTube
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ;;calc 15975 / 11790
gribble: 1.35496183206
BingoBoingo: ^average BitBet Bet
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 412 @ 0.00138899 = 0.5723 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 919 @ 0.00063863 = 0.5869 BTC [-]
assbot: APM: Marketplace Radio on the App Store on iTunes
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: One of yours?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00063738 = 2.9957 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: no sir.
kakobrekla: anyone seen anything liek this before http://shrani.si/f/47/UL/3m3knoYx/imag1961.jpg
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2011 @ 0.00063738 = 1.2818 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: yes kako, it's a cunt.
mircea_popescu: that's what the girls have between their legs.
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3P3V1WT.txt )
mircea_popescu: !up m4rCsi
kakobrekla: i thought its a weirdly broken printer fucker
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 170 Ask: 221 Last Price: 221 24h-Vol: 2k High: 221 Low: 170 VWAP: 170
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24700 @ 0.00063674 = 15.7275 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5835 @ 0.00063611 = 3.7117 BTC [-]
[]bot: Bet placed: 1.5 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment" http://bitbet.us/bet/786/ Odds: 85(Y):15(N) by coin, 87(Y):13(N) by weight. Total bet: 1311.77551814 BTC. Current weight: 52,464.
assbot: Doctor Grumpy in the House: Skool Nerse time
BingoBoingo: !up contrapumpkin
assbot: Procrustean Rashomon | Handle's Haus
contrapumpkin: thanks :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16447 @ 0.00063469 = 10.4387 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'd watch or at least read recaps of that show.
ThickAsThieves: <+kakobrekla> anyone seen anything liek this before http://shrani.si/f/47/UL/3m3knoYx/imag1961.jpg /// the streaking? i assumed it's a laser printer, you may have an expired head, or rollers/head are dirty. If you mean that most of the print is missing on the new one, well it could be a major malfunction, bad head. If you mean the dusting on the white area, you may have toner in your
ThickAsThieves: parts and the inside of the printer needs to be cleaned. That's off the top of my head.
kakobrekla: ThickAsThieves both prints should be all black
ThickAsThieves: have you tried a different head?
ThickAsThieves: if it's new it shouldn't need one...
kakobrekla: i have done 50 prints on it or so
kakobrekla: but i cant change the head even if i change the toner
ThickAsThieves: can you change the distance of the paper?
ThickAsThieves: all the dusting is also a problem
ThickAsThieves: probably just busted
kakobrekla: i guess so, doesnt seem to be a common problem
ThickAsThieves: is it the same paper?
kakobrekla: tried 3 different ones really.
ThickAsThieves: did you clean it at all?
ThickAsThieves: they are electrostatic, so if you use the wrong stuff on rollers or such itll fuck up shit
kakobrekla: electrostatic what?
ThickAsThieves: the paper has a coating that accepts charge, the head delivers it in the print pattern, the paper is run over toner and it sticks, then it is melted on, if any full-contact parts were cleaned and have residue, they will disrupt the process
ThickAsThieves: though a hard stop like you show would be a separate problem probably
BingoBoingo: I refuse to consider them proper "laser" printers until they work because the laser burns its message
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
ThickAsThieves: i used to work on cart sized ESTATS, they were like industrial machine verisons of xerox uses for dye sublimation transfer plotting
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 510.0, Best ask: 510.06, Bid-ask spread: 0.06000, Last trade: 510.06, 24 hour volume: 15468.07364882, 24 hour low: 500.01, 24 hour high: 528.0, 24 hour vwap: 514.217278334
ThickAsThieves: needed to be calibrated and cleaned multiple times per day
ThickAsThieves: theyd break once a month
ThickAsThieves: laser printers are mostly shit in that regard
assbot: Corgis are Super Villains in Disguise : Photo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13050 @ 0.00063476 = 8.2836 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: !up youtubetard
youtubetard: Says I have been voiced for 30 minutes? Still learning here.
BingoBoingo: youtubetard: Yeah
BingoBoingo: if you need more time just pm someone
BingoBoingo: as long as you act like a human being generally people are happy to voice you until you establish youself in the WoT and can voice yourself
BingoBoingo: youtubetard: So what is it you do?
youtubetard: ahh ok ok. Makes sense. I am reading up more so I don't come off as a troll lol
youtubetard: reading up more on WoT that is.
youtubetard: I work with Bitcoin and enjoy working with technology. I've done mostly consulting which is more or less just educating certain individuals and businesses on BTC, what it is, how it works, and why they should get some
youtubetard: What about yourself?
BingoBoingo: Well, I read a lot and sometime people ask me to do things.
BingoBoingo: I guess sometimes I "consult"
BingoBoingo: I also blag
assbot: Regulation of Magic | Bingo Blog
youtubetard: haha good answer.
BingoBoingo: Basically ever since 2004 when I bought a computer I've been waiting for an opportunity to use GPG and... Bitcoin afforded that.
youtubetard: haha very nice. Bitcoin has opened a whole new world to basically anyone will to learn/understand it
youtubetard: which is amazing if you really think about it
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
BingoBoingo: Indeed, so when did you get started?
youtubetard: I built and fiddled with various electronics when I was very little...leading to me building a computer. Came to a better understanding of real money and stable currencies, discovered bitcoin in 2010. and have pursued it ever since
youtubetard: with continued education of course
The20YearIRCloud: I think we (Rentalstarter) will be having another webinar type thing September the 1st
BingoBoingo: Ah, even though ~2010 was when I first started reading on it, fucking library school. Wasn't until very late 2012 I started playing with it more seriously and 2013 that I started seeking introductions.
BingoBoingo: The20YearIRCloud: What sort of webinar?
youtubetard: ah, it does take time...BTC was deff sketch at first, but that's more so if you're used to seeing things from a consumer/comercial stand point
The20YearIRCloud: BingoBoingo: going over company financials, forecasting, where the company is headed in the short term
BingoBoingo: The20YearIRCloud: Ah
BingoBoingo: youtubetard: See my mistake was I imagined myself poor when I could have seized upon something powerful at the time... But instead dreams of librarian jobs danced in my head.
BingoBoingo: And I've always wanted to be an Emperor, or at least a lesser Lord of the Manor much more than I've wanted to be a librarian.
BingoBoingo: Alea Icta Est.
The20YearIRCloud: maybe some day you can start your own empire in a 3rd world country
BingoBoingo: The20YearIRCloud: Why not in the remains of a "superpower"
The20YearIRCloud: i think that'd be too expensive
youtubetard: ^prices fluctuate. Just gotta position yourself...becoming a religious leader helps
BingoBoingo: The20YearIRCloud: Maybe if you plan to camp out there through all the intermediate steps
BingoBoingo: !up youtubetard
The20YearIRCloud: Eh, gdp between 2nd world and 3rd world is huge, much easier to pay some PMCs and take over a african despot than say kazachstan
BingoBoingo: GDP is a lie
The20YearIRCloud: Then let's say manpower * arms in inventory
youtubetard: There are a lot of factors involved.
BingoBoingo: Right, you could be the motherfucker who has the bomb and an acute shortage of lithium citrate syrup USP
youtubetard: lol very true
youtubetard: but, micro-states are on the rise no doubt.
youtubetard: especially with the use of crypto tech such as btc and being able to generate more free flowing economies
The20YearIRCloud: There are some pretty good candidate areas for micro countries if yo ucould break away effectively
BingoBoingo: Florisant Missouri being a prime example
BingoBoingo: The olds might forgive his neglect, but the youth are always going to think Obama's an Uncle Tom
youtubetard: yea...Quebec will hopefully demonstrate a peaceful and constructive seccesion
youtubetard: although with the rate of bankrupt nations...it shouldn't be too difficult
The20YearIRCloud: is quebec gonna cede again?
The20YearIRCloud: along with scotland , NI and flanders?
youtubetard: one can only hope.
youtubetard: more complexity is the nature of all things in the long term. So the rise of many many many micro states is very likely. People see Liechtenstein's success
BingoBoingo: The weird thing is an independent Flanders is probably going to be more capable of keeping ISIS at bay than the combined efforts of the US and UK ever could
youtubetard: oh yea, I agree. If anything ISIS has seen the success of the TaliBann in creating a "Day the Mouse roared" scenario. The US continues to bleed and become bankrupt whilst attempting to maintain "stability" in a non-stabile enviorment
xmj: hm
xmj: gentlemen, I need your opinion on something.
xmj: What would make for a better home base in 2015 or 2016: Luxembourg, Monaco or Jersey/Guernsey?
youtubetard: great question. I don't see europe being safe honestly. While Monaco and other principalities are entering their golden age...the time to be there is now...not in 5 years +
youtubetard: but that's my opinion. Prices are high there, so I can't see a benefit financially
BingoBoingo: xmj: What about Serbia?
xmj: define 'safe'
BingoBoingo: xmj: Or Transndstria?
xmj: BingoBoingo: nah. Ukraine
BingoBoingo: Fuck that.
xmj: and yes, if Russia doesn't invade Ukraine is another option on the table.
The20YearIRCloud: I like singapore
xmj: BingoBoingo: You haven't been there. You haven't seen Ukrainian women on the streets.
xmj: ...or have you?
The20YearIRCloud: Poland is making alot of good choices
BingoBoingo: Ukraine is going to suffer full Russian invasion or not
xmj: The20YearIRCloud: Poland also has a catholic population, which is fucking annoying.
youtubetard: Russia is a good buy imo
xmj: Twenty-somethings going to church _every sunday_.
The20YearIRCloud: I'd be more worried about making the right decisions as a state than religious preferences
youtubetard: it will have cheep prices compared
The20YearIRCloud: uruguay seems to be a really good choice if they continue on
BingoBoingo: Russian is... interesting
xmj: meh
xmj: let's assume I want to something in the West. Which is either Anglo-Saxon, or Germanic.
BingoBoingo: But what if you love her ? What if you love what she’s doing to you, not necessarily for what it is but for it being her doing ? Maybe you even hate it for what it is, on some level, but because she’s doing it you love it anyway. Years later I read in a learned article that that’s exactly how women love, not for the thing but for its meaning, and I was enlightened. That’s what they mean by the meaning of things, do they ?
BingoBoingo: Well shit.
xmj: with low taxes.
BingoBoingo: !up youtubetard
The20YearIRCloud: If the US ever de-federalized, many would be in for a treat
xmj: de-federalized? you mean, proper central state, not just a fake one?
xmj: fake - in all but law
The20YearIRCloud: Meaning the federal goverment went back to the original role of only planning national defense and nothing else
The20YearIRCloud: Most US states are run pretty well, but when you add the federal goverment into it, it becomes a huge mess
BingoBoingo: This latest trilema MP put out is quite the read
youtubetard: lol very true...the fed is just spiraling into the darkness
xmj: ah
xmj: The20YearIRCloud: of course
xmj: I thought you meant the other way round
The20YearIRCloud: But state budgets, control, state/house makup, they're run well
xmj: well, they have no one to bail them out (cf Californian default)
The20YearIRCloud: Ohio is a prime example, in the past 10 years we've finally got a group in the house that knows what they're doing and are repealing a bunch of dumb laws
BingoBoingo: The20YearIRCloud: Ohio might suffer the most from reduced Federal dependence...
xmj: The20YearIRCloud: the funny thing is:
The20YearIRCloud: left to their own devices, California, Illinois, new york and maryland would implode
BingoBoingo: Oh, Illinois would split
xmj: US-american libertarians think they can fix the flaws of the Constitution by reverting to it.
BingoBoingo: Where, is to be determined
The20YearIRCloud: Yeah , they'd cut cook county off :D
BingoBoingo: Oh, most of the stuff sround there too.
youtubetard: still...smaller limited govmints where authority tends to be inhereted to the local inhabitants tends to be more stable....at least history tells us so
The20YearIRCloud: Yeah, but cook county would be a start
youtubetard: lololol constitution caused most of all the issues we have today
BingoBoingo: Split could run as far south as I-64 and I'd be happy
The20YearIRCloud: The problem wasn't the constitution, it was that people thought things weren't clear and decided they could deviate
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00063678 = 7.1319 BTC [+] {2}
xmj: youtubetard: you cannot credibly limit a government's authority
youtubetard: Russia I think will offer some great opportunities soon enough.
youtubetard: Correct. I fully agree
xmj: read Rousseau's Contract Social
The20YearIRCloud: i think russia could be quite interesting, but i also worry there's an equal chance they'll decided to go back to soviet era stupidity
BingoBoingo: Missouri would go back to the good old days of Quantrill and burn everything Kansas loves
youtubetard: but I also don't think humans will abandon goverments nor fiat anytime soon...think about human nature...only technology can really better the opportunities
youtubetard: yea...Putin seems to be very fond of the ole days
BingoBoingo: The US, India, Russia, and China all seem to have size related hazards
youtubetard: size as in geo+ population
The20YearIRCloud: what do you mean with size related hazzard?
youtubetard: anyone familiar with Satoshis law?
xmj: what's worse about russia is, they don't seem to go back to russian era but to Tsarist era
xmj: just without any Romanov on top of the state.
The20YearIRCloud: that's where china is
xmj: china doesn't have a Tsar ?
The20YearIRCloud: essentially a somewhat less corrupt version of nationalist china, minus warlords too
BingoBoingo: Size as in population + walk to the next border
youtubetard: I think they'll end up fracturing quite a bit
mircea_popescu: ahh juicy logs!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: juicy Trilema
BingoBoingo: !up youtubetard
youtubetard: all hail the assbot
BingoBoingo exercises restraint this time, waits to do a sober read through before publishing piece on NYDFS extending their orders for the quaranteen of New York
mircea_popescu: mike_c: and as an aside, it is embarrassing for this channel that tweets are scraped and repeated from links but not references to the log! << yeah srsly.
BingoBoingo: After that post where I buried any point I was trying to make under three really fucking chewey sentences
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo is this ebola ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Which thing?
mircea_popescu: quarantine
BingoBoingo: No, I'm talking about Bitcoin simply writing off New York
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