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decimation: ;;rate asciilifeform 2 engineer
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user asciilifeform has changed from 2 to 2.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00071946 = 10.9358 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.29499999 = 0.59 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.295 = 0.59 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11058 @ 0.00071861 = 7.9464 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: ;;isitdown graphviz.org
gribble: graphviz.org is down
mircea_popescu: mod6 but in the %p ?
atcbot: No data returned from PityThePool.com
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.70 TH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.23 TH/s
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 148413.25 in 1956 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -92.10
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 516.36, Best ask: 516.4, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last trade: 516.4, 24 hour volume: 12075.74130533, 24 hour low: 485.0, 24 hour high: 529.8, 24 hour vwap: 509.517568638
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31550 @ 0.00071815 = 22.6576 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6327 @ 0.0007198 = 4.5542 BTC [+]
assbot: Silicon Valley Dick Scene - YouTube
RagnarDanneskjol: classic - pee your pants funny. the series totally redeemed itself with that one scene
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25150 @ 0.00072193 = 18.1565 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 25 @ 0.2846411 = 7.116 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00072011 = 8.7133 BTC [-]
punkman: hmm one of my monitors seems to have acquired a blue tint overnight
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21091 @ 0.00072138 = 15.2146 BTC [+] {2}
RagnarDanneskjol: happened to me before - think I had to reset colors on graphx card. first try unplugging or wiggling around cables
punkman: Ragnar, tried that, nothing. itonly one one side of the monitor though.
punkman: feels like the backlight is fucked there
xmj: fluffypony: ping?
fluffypony: I'm here
RagnarDanneskjol: ahh if its just one side, you may have hardware issue
assbot: John Ratcliff's Code Suppository: Work in progress on Bitcoin blockchain parser
punkman: hitting it didnt't work :/
jurov: no lawgs?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.2850008 = 3.135 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: Against Intellectual Property? | The Last Bastille
punkman: ok so I power cycle the thing repeatedly, blue tint goes away, then I move the mouse and it comes back
punkman: I got no fuckin clue here
RagnarDanneskjol: oh thats unusual
RagnarDanneskjol: what computer/card?
punkman: I miss that degauss button
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.283 = 0.849 BTC [-]
kdomanski: punkman: ever seen the speakers on a computer give a creaking noise when you move the mouse? that's my weird PC problem
punkman: kdomanski: I've had mouse/wifi/etc be audible. Had to move the speakers to different outlet.
kdomanski: outlet as in power outlet? that helped?
punkman: kdomanski: yep
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14258 @ 0.00072011 = 10.2673 BTC [-]
[]bot: Bet placed: 2.43267 BTC for Yes on "Difficulty over 21Bn by Summer's end 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/877/ Odds: 90(Y):10(N) by coin, 89(Y):11(N) by weight. Total bet: 24.14355674 BTC. Current weight: 9,398.
assbot: The Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect
ben_vulpes: RagnarDanneskjol: to the death of IP
RagnarDanneskjol: i'll drink to that
ben_vulpes: RagnarDanneskjol: "My machine parses this entire data set in roughly 95 seconds." i took a crack at a big-boy-pants parser one time, made all the wrong decisions, hated life. good to see some progress made on the front.
ben_vulpes: "All I did was load the blocks from disk into memory; which wasn't really accomplishing much."
RagnarDanneskjol: yes, i've been following that one for a while, seems to be the most useful implementation
RagnarDanneskjol: that guy's a character
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17106 @ 0.00071766 = 12.2763 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: lol oh a whole year ago
assbot: John Ratcliff's Code Suppository: How to Play a Bitcoin BrainWallet Scavenger Game
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00071952 = 2.7342 BTC [+]
assbot: The place for all Bitcoin related puzzles!
RagnarDanneskjol: yea, I thought I posted that and a bunch of related content earlier today when they were discussing, then come to realize I had no voice, was talking to myself. Carried on chatting with myself for about 45 mins until I realized noone could hear me
assbot: Trivia Question Scavenger Hunt Design Document - Google Docs
ben_vulpes: bahaha
ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust assbot RagnarDanneskjol
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask RagnarDanneskjol!~ragnardan@75-23-231-33.lightspeed.lgngca.sbcglobal.net. Trust relationship from user assbot to user RagnarDanneskjol: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=RagnarDanneskjol | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=RagnarDanneskjol | Rated since: Thu Jun 26 20:35:44 2014
ben_vulpes: your client doesn't tell you when you're muted?
RagnarDanneskjol: it does, but I'm blind
ben_vulpes: literally?
RagnarDanneskjol: I drive, but prolly shouldn't
RagnarDanneskjol: I've been getting Bandwidth Limit Exceeded when I try to read your blog lately fyi
ben_vulpes: yeah, been working on other stuff.
ben_vulpes: i honestly dont even know what that domain's pointed at.
ben_vulpes: stupid ipxcore dns mgmt
ben_vulpes: maybe i'll get to it this week
ben_vulpes: maybe not
ben_vulpes: but thanks for the heads up
[]bot: Bet placed: 1.11111111 BTC for No on "Bitcoin difficulty to fall in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/871/ Odds: 34(Y):66(N) by coin, 37(Y):63(N) by weight. Total bet: 5.35780981 BTC. Current weight: 60,964.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00071703 = 10.0384 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19607 @ 0.00071589 = 14.0365 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7250 @ 0.00071448 = 5.18 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11336 @ 0.00071853 = 8.1453 BTC [+]
assbot: xanthyos +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
RagnarDanneskjol: !up xanthyos
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00071433 = 7.429 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.28099991 = 0.843 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.28099996 = 0.562 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00279775 = 0.5596 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1200 @ 0.0014 = 1.68 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 750 @ 0.00071409 = 0.5356 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00071286 = 4.5623 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 271 @ 0.00600303 = 1.6268 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.2820001 = 1.692 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 8.61341012 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 749 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.76810256 BTC to 13`874 shares, 12744 satoshi per share
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47303 @ 0.00071331 = 33.7417 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 38 @ 0.02523161 = 0.9588 BTC [-]
punkman: "Whereas Socialism, and even capitalism in a more grudging way, have said to people "I offer you a good time," Hitler has said to them “I offer you struggle, danger and death,” and flings itself at his feet. Perhaps later on they will get sick of it and change their minds, as at the end of the last war."
punkman: "After a few years of slaughter and starvation "Greatest happiness of the greatest number" is a good slogan, but at this moment “Better an end with horror than a horror without end” is a winner."
assbot: Review Of "Mein Kampf" by Adolf Hitler [March 1940] George Orwell - Google Drive
ben_vulpes: Imagine reading about a Russian element on Wikipedia, and at the end there’s this paragraph saying “By the way, this element inverts gravity and has to be tied to the ground to prevent it from falling upwards”. An anxiolytic stimulant is really really cool. But somehow generations of American psychopharmacologists must have read about bromantane and thought “No, I don’t think I’ll pay any more attention to that.” <<
assbot: An Iron Curtain Has Descended Upon Psychopharmacology | Slate Star Codex
ben_vulpes: errybody reading hacker news
assbot: Awakebrain.com Nootropic Cognitive & Performance Enhancement Products
ben_vulpes: a veritable cornucopia of mysterious russian brain chemical!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.2985981 = 2.986 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.283 = 0.566 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ah, i see. ask the guy to come over ?
mircea_popescu: we gotta sort this pool thing somehows.
BingoBoingo: I sent an email yesterday, suppose I might send another
mircea_popescu: !up putler
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re gpg clunk (not to be confused with pgp issues) : "MolokoDeck : for some reason gpg returns the useful info about the status of a signature verify via the error channel."
mircea_popescu: that "some reason" being rms being a fucktard.
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 163016.03 in 1942 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -91.32
atcbot: No data returned from PityThePool.com
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.56 TH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.39 TH/s
BingoBoingo: This is an amazing thing about -assets, you raise awareness to a problem with one of the pet jokes, and things get done
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
mircea_popescu: gotta keep the pets fed.
thestringpuller: it is kinda weird how GPG returns useful information via stderr
thestringpuller: even the return code...
mircea_popescu: but it's more spyful that way!!!
mircea_popescu: !up nagzter
nagzter: hey mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: hey there.
nagzter: 'sup
mircea_popescu: i have nfi yet.
mircea_popescu: how's the what was it...
mircea_popescu: some altcoin ?
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 172 Ask: 221 Last Price: 170 24h-Vol: 133k High: 188 Low: 170 VWAP: 180
mircea_popescu: computer bedtime.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 64 @ 0.01371 = 0.8774 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 38 @ 0.02523161 = 0.9588 BTC [-]
assbot: Lashes for Saudi woman who called morality police liars: newspaper - Yahoo News
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.10 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 5.13 TH/s
atcbot: 4 hours 4 minutes and 57 seconds
mircea_popescu: anyone care to suggest a typically black female name ?
mthreat: laquisha
mthreat: the previous owner of my black 350z told me he had named the car laquisha, "his black mistress"
mthreat guesses this is for a blog post
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21341 @ 0.00071269 = 15.2095 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Perfect buttocks now!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20476 @ 0.00071331 = 14.6057 BTC [+]
gribble: Time since last block: 1 minute and 38 seconds
TheNewDeal: any audio electronics experts in the crowd?
mircea_popescu: 7k words and not yet done, jesus god this article hates me.
assbot: X-Rob +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
mircea_popescu: !up X-Rob
mircea_popescu: now how the hell does that work.
TheNewDeal: the one you're writing now?
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot x-rob
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user x-rob: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=x-rob | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=x-rob | Rated since: Mon May 16 20:47:55 2011
X-Rob: I'm xrobau
X-Rob: ;;ident
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'X-Rob', with hostmask 'X-Rob!sid14615@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ofnkmqlfshhqtblr', is identified as user 'xrobau', with GPG key id None, key fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1F1pPNy6X86rUSKLqZAdsa7dSMoRy4KobG
mircea_popescu: ;;rated x-rob
gribble: You rated user x-rob on Sat Aug 16 18:49:40 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: splendid work on that derpcoin. https://bitcointa.lk/threads/unattanium-broken-by-design.351020/ so much lol..
mircea_popescu: ;;rated xrobau
gribble: You have not yet rated user xrobau
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla whay did assbot just record a fail ?
X-Rob: Anyway, all I was sayin was what I messaged you - I saw you mention GPG, and I wrote an abstraction layer for it.
assbot: Source of GPG.class.php - framework - FreePBX GIT
X-Rob: It's stupid, but it's stupid in well defined ways
mircea_popescu: by now we're two in the hole
mircea_popescu: gpg started life as exactly this.
mircea_popescu: hey BingoBoingo you here ?
X-Rob: specifically, line 282 is the function that captures that information
X-Rob: There /are/ reasons for it being stupid - and the reasons as ALWAYS 'backwards compatibility'.
X-Rob: s/as/are/
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal yeah
X-Rob: re x-rob/xrobau in gribble - I lost the GPG key for 'x-rob', and haven't really had the enthusiasm to try to get the account deleted so I can recreate it.
X-Rob: and I'm xrobau everywhere APART from IRC, so it hasn't bothered me that much
mircea_popescu: oh so you're not logged as x-rob ?
X-Rob: ;;ident
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'X-Rob', with hostmask 'X-Rob!sid14615@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ofnkmqlfshhqtblr', is identified as user 'xrobau', with GPG key id None, key fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1F1pPNy6X86rUSKLqZAdsa7dSMoRy4KobG
X-Rob: ^^^ xrobau
mircea_popescu: ;;rated x-rob
gribble: You rated user x-rob on Sat Aug 16 18:49:40 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: splendid work on that derpcoin. https://bitcointa.lk/threads/unattanium-broken-by-design.351020/ so much lol..
mircea_popescu: ;;unrate x-rob
gribble: Successfully removed your rating for x-rob.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate xrobau 1 splendid work on that derpcoin. https://bitcointa.lk/threads/unattanium-broken-by-design.351020/ so much lol...
assbot: Unattanium: Broken by design. | Bitcointa.lk
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user xrobau has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: NOW it'll work.
X-Rob: Thanks 8)
mircea_popescu: nm kakobrekla, problem was between user and CHAIR
mircea_popescu: from #eulora : "chetty> so all these people pounding on server for days and 1 crash (mod6 tried to beat up a rock and combat is not something we have done anythng with)."
mircea_popescu: WHY SO VIOLENT MOD6!
X-Rob: mircea_popescu: anyway, tl;dr: GPG is broken at first look, but it's not really.
mircea_popescu: i agree.
mircea_popescu: but if you want to write a piece about how bad it is, why not make it plausible at least was the question.
X-Rob: heh
X-Rob: Anyway, that code I pasted is AGPL3, but I'm thinking I may re-publish it as MIT or something, as it's hard for people to do GPG correctly without knowing a pile of behind the scenes stuff
mircea_popescu: i don't even recall what afero says
X-Rob: mircea_popescu: AGPL is just GPL, with the addition of 'if you provide ACCESS to the code, you have to release it.'
mircea_popescu: ah i recall, the thing they did to ruin the possibility of os game servers.
mircea_popescu: stupidest idea ever.
X-Rob: I use it because people take our open source webapp, make piles of modifications, and then don't give the changes back
mircea_popescu: which webapp is that ?
assbot: Source of GPG.class.php - framework - FreePBX GIT
X-Rob: I'll give you one guess 8)
mircea_popescu: freepbx.org ?
X-Rob: Well, yes, FreePBX
mircea_popescu: this is pretty cool and something long entertained here. i suspect decimation's gonna be all over you, among others :D
mircea_popescu: the current thinking is more like "if we need freepbx we'll go to ham radio!!!"
mircea_popescu: !s ham radio
X-Rob: I used to be an amateur radio operator, a long time ago. VK2JGY. Often hanging aroud on 6 meters (50MHz) and 2 meters (144MHz)
TheNewDeal: what does that mean
TheNewDeal: just the channels to tune in to?
X-Rob: TheNewDeal: it's a range, yeah.
TheNewDeal: and the 6 meters refers to signal amplitude?
X-Rob: TheNewDeal: It's actually the wavelength. 50mhz has 6 meters between peaks
TheNewDeal: bah, couldn't think of the word
X-Rob: All good
X-Rob: it's not something we expect muggles to know
X-Rob: to steal another word
TheNewDeal: i'm only half muggle
TheNewDeal: did mech engineering schooling at the university, added in some computer science and robotics
X-Rob: cool
mircea_popescu: no, i expect anyone to know what wavelength is.
assbot: FreePBX GitHub
TheNewDeal: i just couldn't think of the word
TheNewDeal: or perhaps I just didn't understand what wavelength was
mircea_popescu: FEELBAD.GIF!
X-Rob: RagnarDanneskjol: we clone our internal stash to github, because we're nice.
assbot: Derp Report
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron gimme a moment to finish this monster and be right with you.
danielpbarron: i've also been keeping track of it on twitter http://twitter.com/hashtag/DerpReport
assbot: Twitter / Suche - #DerpReport
cazalla: mircea_popescu, here are mine https://www.dropbox.com/s/eu4vcgv706cgr6l/cazalla_forum_posts.html apologies for dropbox link, i was going to setup my own site but apache2 has changed since last time i used it and i haven't figured it out yet
assbot: Dropbox - cazalla_forum_posts.html
cazalla: danielpbarron, i borrowed your html, hope that's ok
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00071254 = 4.774 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: i think it's too simple for me to lay any claim
assbot: xanthyos +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
ThickAsThieves: sup folks
assbot: Fountain of Girl
mircea_popescu: !up xanthyos
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves alt nearly died!
xanthyos: also danielpbarron you don't believe in intellectual property
ThickAsThieves: i leave for one week!
ThickAsThieves: Cryptsy not processing my withdrawals for 8+hrs, what is this, MPEx?
ThickAsThieves: is it a good or bad thing that you can now threaten customer service "If you don't fix this, I'll start a Reddit riot."
thestringpuller: !s onename.io
TheNewDeal: Tat any response yet from the gubbermint on usms sale?
ThickAsThieves: nope, they said early Aug
ThickAsThieves: ides hath passed
TheNewDeal: bastids
ThickAsThieves: btcusd is a big short party now
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 168336.15 in 1935 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -91.04
mircea_popescu: !up bitmia
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 23 @ 0.02523161 = 0.5803 BTC [-]
TheNewDeal: why do you say that tat?
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> btcusd is a big short party now << and yet it stilkl stays this side of 500.
bitmia: heya everyone! what does it take to get listed on mpex?
mircea_popescu: must suck to be the most powrful country in the world, can't even blend a strawberry.
mircea_popescu: ;;google how does one get listed on mpex
gribble: How does one list on MPEx ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/how-does-one-list-on-mpex>; By definition the rightful owner of any coins is "he who can ... - MPEx: <http://mpex.co/faq.html>; Why List On MPEx? | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski: <http://contravex.com/2014/07/15/why-list-on-mpex/>
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 493.55, Best ask: 494.4, Bid-ask spread: 0.85000, Last trade: 494.4, 24 hour volume: 10395.88635699, 24 hour low: 485.39, 24 hour high: 524.8, 24 hour vwap: 502.83360296
ThickAsThieves: 500 having a hard time tho
TheNewDeal: blend a stawberry?
bitmia: mircea_popescu: thanks, I've actually read your post. however it still isn't clear if it'd get listed if you personally don't like the idea or consider the business venture to be pointless
RagnarDanneskjol: whats the business plan?
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust bitmia
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user bitmia: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=bitmia | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bitmia | Rated since: never
mircea_popescu: seems to me you're not there yet.
bitmia: I'm not, it's for the future :)
TheNewDeal: his identity is secret, like his business plan
mircea_popescu: well okay, so in the future when you'll be you won't be able to have a bad idea anymore.
ThickAsThieves: if the owner of a business doesnt like you and finds you pointless, how can you expect to do business?
mircea_popescu: it's how this wot thing works and why it's so painful
mircea_popescu: also why idiots stay away : they'd rather nurse a bevy of retarded ideas than actually do some work.
ThickAsThieves: bitmia, is that like bitcoin for veterans nonprofit or something
bitmia: perfectly clear, thanks
ThickAsThieves: ;;google powmia
gribble: POW/MIA flag - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POW/MIA_flag>; The National League of POW/MIA Families — The National League ...: <http://www.pow-miafamilies.org/>; Defense Prisoner of War/Missing Personnel Office: <http://www.dtic.mil/dpmo/>
TheNewDeal: can you update the trilema listing article to include 1) be less retarded.
TheNewDeal: well what do you expect, all the retardation to just up and disappear?
ThickAsThieves: silly me
TheNewDeal: i'd think a slight reduction is the most one could ask
TheNewDeal: perhaps "be minimally less retarded" could do
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal well the wot part is there.
mircea_popescu: it stands pars pro toto.
TheNewDeal: true true
ThickAsThieves: coinbase has had Buying disabled for days, bitfinex is fixing large market orders, usms isnt revealing auction details... hmm
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves final push is final.
mircea_popescu: did diddly squat to boot.
assbot: Pushing the soft tender flesh of a friend against the sharp rotating blades of the immutable machine. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform jurov ^ :D
thestringpuller: whoa coinbase has disabled buying?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm back
dignork: right now coinbase buy works, when did this happen?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo so what's the atc pool situation ? where's X-Rob to point his miner ?
ThickAsThieves: dignork last i heard coinbase said all buys will be Fri market buys
BingoBoingo: To coinminer would probably be great actually now
RagnarDanneskjol: coinbase has been playing that game for a long time - anytime market shifts >15% in either direction. fukin bozos
BingoBoingo: Coinminer's actually paying us roughly proportionally to our power nao
dignork: i have multiple pending buys, all scheduled for +6 days from the time of purchase, never followed if they actually keep the schedule though.
BingoBoingo: And the username it wants is the address it pays to in the coinbase transaction, so super verifiable
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo give the guy the details pls ?
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol you don't understand "professional" and "wall street" like teh media vcs do.
RagnarDanneskjol: diginork - beware, those orders might go through anytime - and never leave those pending orders with them - they resume trading as soon as their books level off, just keep refreshing if you must use them
BingoBoingo: X-Rob: Check your PM's
dignork: Oh, you probably mean express/immediate whatever they call it buy, i nerver managed to set it up, so it always was few days for me.
ThickAsThieves: i just mean knowing what price youre paying is important
RagnarDanneskjol: yes, that help
dignork: oh, the price is defined when you give the order
TheNewDeal: what's the coinbase situation?
RagnarDanneskjol: right, the delivery time is variable/inconsistent
ThickAsThieves: sure, but they did/do have it to where people can't buy whenever price is low
dignork: it's not a proper exchange with hi/lo order limits anyway
ThickAsThieves: wonder if it's an issue on the way up
RagnarDanneskjol: yes, they suspend normal service anytime price momentum shifts by x% either direction
TheNewDeal: i've heard of them doing that approx 1 year ago, have they been caught doing it again recently?
ThickAsThieves: i dunno, they are going in the wrong direction if they wanna live though
RagnarDanneskjol: yep, still doin it on the regular or so I've been told by 'inside sources'
ThickAsThieves: 1% fee, increasing info requests, market unpredictability
TheNewDeal: most definitely
TheNewDeal: and they rely on bitstamp
RagnarDanneskjol: they are literally a proxy for bitstamp
mircea_popescu: a badly managed proxy.
mircea_popescu: i dunno why the surpriose, it was never the case that coinbase was respected or respectable.
RagnarDanneskjol: yep. i stopped using them over a year ago, am just fine paying street xchange fees whenever I ned usd now. Fortunately, in SoCal, I can spend btc all over the place, rarely need to convert anymore
ThickAsThieves: no surprise, only topical i guess
decimation: X-Rob, that's pretty neat to have a freepbx dev here. There needs to be some method to move some of this onto shortwave
TheNewDeal: ragnar, do you buy any btc at all? The localbitcoin prices around here are like 105% bitstamp minimum, more like 110% for anyone with some feedback
RagnarDanneskjol: sure, I'm always buyin too
ThickAsThieves: too bad i live in fl, sounds like a good living
assbot: weex +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal that's the situation universally. i keep getting offered in excess of 110% by ppl looking to buy.
mircea_popescu: !up weex
weex: thanks mircea_popescu
ThickAsThieves: is that new? assbot reporting failed auth?
mircea_popescu: so what's all this stuff on the forum ?
weex: been a while since i was rated for anything
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves nah.
RagnarDanneskjol: I have a good relationship with these guys, they tend to offer me descent rayes to buy or sell: http://comps.biz
assbot: galimi on LocalBitcoins.com
TheNewDeal: I'm confused though, I would figure there would be a discount on cash
RagnarDanneskjol: nope, is the time and service you're payin for
ThickAsThieves: and the tax avoidance prolly
RagnarDanneskjol: yea that too
dignork: TheNewDeal: also for potential somewhat anonymity
TheNewDeal: they're avoiding tax with the sale though as well
mircea_popescu: cash is generally a liability when compared to bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: the thing with it is that it's a minor liability, when compared to major liabilities such as banking pseudobux.
assbot: BitcoinStats
mircea_popescu: however, the only people who accept the latter are people who also have some sort of insulation in place, so they don't actually care.
mircea_popescu: which is how cash ends up paradoxically undiscounted.
ThickAsThieves: i was thinking about how bitcoin exchange scam stories will never end really
ThickAsThieves: the power to make bitcoins will only get more and more tempting
ThickAsThieves: by exchange, i mean websites, not localb
ben_vulpes: "when they do work for it they roughly feel so used." << oh god its so rough
mircea_popescu: lol check out my aznenglish
ben_vulpes: the usage...
ThickAsThieves: lol bitfinex just increased leverage from 2.5 to 3
ThickAsThieves: just after the longs got shook down a day ago
mircea_popescu: that thing looks shaky as fuck.
mircea_popescu: they just mostly failed a round of looking for moneyz i hear.
ThickAsThieves: interesting
ThickAsThieves: they also hired mjr
mircea_popescu: that was a while ago apparently.
BingoBoingo: Oh, that's in the lawgz
mircea_popescu: anyway, lots of "failed to close financing" stories begin to pop up.
ThickAsThieves: i have sinned, not read logs for like 5 days
mircea_popescu: past few weeks or so.
mircea_popescu: stop living a normal human life ThickAsThieves
ben_vulpes: cannot be normal and deep in bitcoin
ThickAsThieves: it wasnt even a normal human life, i just kinda needed to shut out even more of the world for a bit
RagnarDanneskjol: these long annotations exceeding blogged content are rather marvelous
RagnarDanneskjol: "Sure the super-heroine that cooks very well, enjoys her bukkake work and is a F1 pilot by day could exist, just like the sharpshooter specialist in classical Greek literature with a side of stockbrokering could exist. The odds however are too one in ten trillion for the mere ten billion population of the planet to provide. We have enough trouble getting eleven people together that can w
RagnarDanneskjol: ell chase a leather ball, let alone these sorts of SF works."
BingoBoingo: ;;ud NORP
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=NORP | NORP. Acronym for "Normal Ordinary Respectable Person." Used as a pejorative by those who consider themselves part of the counterculture. "This party ...
mircea_popescu: X-Rob 20 months is roughly 8 weeks and 2/3rds so how about nine weeks!
assbot: Analyzing Active Cancellation Stealth | Systems content from Microwaves & RF
mircea_popescu: 2 months*
X-Rob: mircea_popescu: 9 wedeks.
X-Rob: Sure
X-Rob: mircea_popescu: sure, sorry
X-Rob: (was just asked to make it public)(
mircea_popescu: ok, so start tomorrow or w/e it expires, BingoBoingo gives you details, i'll pay you in advance for first week
X-Rob: mircea_popescu: ok, 9 weeks, 2BTC for AusMiner-3
ThickAsThieves: is this payment to mine ATC or ?
ThickAsThieves: for WoL, or?
ThickAsThieves: the motherland?
mircea_popescu: well you made a broken scamcoin i'm stuck rescuing >.<
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ThickAsThieves: i'll chip in if the ATC end up somewhere agreeable
X-Rob: mircea_popescu:1xrobauEmhLwVnTmLbs6M92n1xGFAFbgq is my address, and you're comitting to pay to that address .22BTC per week for 9 weeks, for a total of 1.98BTC. First payment will be within 24 hours, and then every 7 days after that. If you miss a payment, the deal is void, and I'll feel really annoyed, as I'm leasing below cost now, to average the price.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-08-2014#798601 also relevant to your interests.
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
BingoBoingo: They end up in MPIF ThickAsThieves
mircea_popescu: ill make it .24 for the first one so it comes out to an even 2 btc.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7250 @ 0.00071254 = 5.1659 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: once again, i'm useless
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you can rent his other rig for a few hours to help cut through the current glut.
mircea_popescu: rather than getting depressed for no reason.
X-Rob: Rig is currently leased for another 15 hours - http://i.imgur.com/ROf8FAl.png
X-Rob: And I need to find out why the big one is slow.
mircea_popescu: ah the 12.7th hthing is idle ?
decimation: X-Rob: do you generally find that you can lease your rig for more than what the forecasted average payback should be? (on a per megahash per day basis)
X-Rob: decimation: yes. always. But that's because I provide a guaranteed hashrate, and I know what I'm doing.
X-Rob: I normally aim for 10% above theoretical
decimation: The mind reels. I guess people are willing to pay a premium for virgin coin?
X-Rob: and I idle against p2pool, too, which is almost always at 105% luck
X-Rob: decimation: It rarely mines btc.
decimation: I guess if you rent enough solo-mine capacity it becomes a casino game
X-Rob: I have found a couple of blocks for solo miners.
X-Rob: I found a 101G block, for a gujy who was solo mining.
mircea_popescu: X-Rob how much do you like mining anyway ?
X-Rob: that was pretty damn awesome.
X-Rob: mircea_popescu: I'm more of an engineer. I like setting it up and doing all the management
X-Rob: Actually ending up with coins is just the end result.
X-Rob: I have more fun with network design 8)
mircea_popescu: that's like, the one type this chan was missing, someone who actually enjoys that part.
decimation: seems like a surprisingly profitable business actually
X-Rob: Nah
X-Rob: It's just not as MUCH of a suckers bet as mining btc
ThickAsThieves: Altcoin brings new blood to the chan too
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: But only when it's dying
decimation: X-Rob: what do you pay for electricity there in australia?
ThickAsThieves: antifragility, baby!
BingoBoingo: ;;rate X-Rob 1 He's going to point his hash somewhere
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user X-Rob has been recorded.
BingoBoingo: ;;unrate X-Rob
gribble: Successfully removed your rating for X-Rob.
X-Rob: BingoBoingo: IT'S 'XROBAU'
X-Rob: wups
X-Rob: new keyboard
X-Rob: thanks
BingoBoingo: ;;rate xrobau 1 Going to point his hash, issues corrections
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user xrobau has been recorded.
X-Rob: decimation: A lot, but, I happen to have a power generation station as a customer, and I have a couple of racks in their computer room that I get for free.
decimation: heh that makes it good business then
mircea_popescu: embedded fucking systems, a bitcoin story.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21650 @ 0.0007136 = 15.4494 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: "There’s Bitcoin and that’s it, because there can only be one. All the rest of the crap exists only inasmuch as a) it stays theoretical or b) it stays small enough nobody cares. Where a) and b) are only distinct in the derp point of view, otherwise they’re the same thing."
ThickAsThieves: Then why fund mining ATC?
mircea_popescu: cuz i can.
ThickAsThieves: i find myself saying that more often lately
decimation: ThickAsThieves: because controlling the alternatives demonstrates power
mircea_popescu: decimation alternatively, how would you distinguish between atc and btc ?
mircea_popescu: an exact clone with a financial bridge. what is the distinction ?
decimation: technically not so much. only which is first in time
ThickAsThieves: and we haz no Altcoin Core Developers
mircea_popescu: atc is strategically important because take for instance the link ThickAsThieves dropped from -dev earlier.
ThickAsThieves: i think you mean Bingo's link
mircea_popescu: so here is a "witness" bitcoin, v 0.6 and there is your "improved" 0.10 (lulzy that it's not 1.0 anymoar)
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves ah yes my bad.
decimation: right, so it's a parachute as well
assbot: OTAKU GANGSTA
mircea_popescu: decimation more a witness. "so what is the net benefit of all your monkeying ? what doom have you avoided, what riches brought on ?"
ThickAsThieves: I'm the Altcoin Chief Scientist
ThickAsThieves: take that Gavin
decimation: indeed, memorializing Bitcoin v0.6 or whatever could serve many purposes
mircea_popescu: in this sense atc appreciating against btc is quite a negative signal for the power rangers.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves which version is it even ? do you know ?
ThickAsThieves: i used to know
ThickAsThieves: pankake would know
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 172 Ask: 221 Last Price: 170 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A
ThickAsThieves: it might be in logs too
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 506.53, Best ask: 509.89, Bid-ask spread: 3.36000, Last trade: 510.0, 24 hour volume: 10382.96421929, 24 hour low: 485.39, 24 hour high: 524.8, 24 hour vwap: 501.785089495
ThickAsThieves: and source is on github
mircea_popescu: decimation aren't you impressed with two idiots that don't even know wtf version they cloned
mircea_popescu: eventually outperforming the "scientists" and "foundations" and whatnot ?
ThickAsThieves: at least i'm not on NSA payroll!
mircea_popescu: exactly.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38785 @ 0.00071218 = 27.6219 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: X-Rob 155b26aa0cb0f83f78dd8226bebf104a27f0f03c099f6a9ed690cd7028554822
X-Rob: mircea_popescu: fyi, just running a test of the big rig against that pool
mircea_popescu: and btw, if you don't get paid come and bitch, you're definitely getting paid just i may forget.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13715 @ 0.00071168 = 9.7607 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9055 @ 0.00071368 = 6.4624 BTC [+] {2}
decimation: that's a depressing conversation. THey would have a point of reference if someone actually documented the protocol.
mircea_popescu: welcome to 2012.
ThickAsThieves: i remember when they forked, and there was outcry for documentation after
ThickAsThieves: that was like a year ago
mircea_popescu: yeah, a year after i had been beating them over the head at every turn to fucking do it for like a year BEFORE that.
mircea_popescu: fucktards. but anyway.
mircea_popescu: the war that is with the gear you got.
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 8.62 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 0 TH/s
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 168599.82 in 1934 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -91.02
decimation: what about those guys writing the altnerative implementation? did they get their version working?
assbot: btcd - ConformalOpenSource
mircea_popescu: decimation btcd you mean ?
mircea_popescu: it's moving along from what i hear.
mircea_popescu: definitely useful as a counterweight to hearn & co.
decimation: good, perhaps from this effort some documentation will rise
mircea_popescu: not avoidable.
X-Rob: mircea_popescu: ok I found a block, you should see at least one transaction against that account ID
BingoBoingo: X-Rob: I see it
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 170331.42 in 1933 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -90.93
midnightmagic: fwiw, conformal's btcd segfaults if you sprinkle a forced garbage collection in the wrong place (wtf?), it built a block which some portion of testnet rejected and built a massive fork on over a period of a week, eventually crashing bitcoind (which perhaps suggests that it was btcd's own mining code that created the fork) and they keep taking credit for other peoples' ideas with a tremendous amount of completely unnecessary
X-Rob: BingoBoingo: sweet.
midnightmagic: hostility. :(
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic the hostility is very necessary.
mircea_popescu: the rest... myeah. still got problems.
midnightmagic: setting side the superior net work that cooperating small groups can produce, if they did in fact come up with those ideas their hostility for other people "stealing" them would perhaps be a tad more warranted.
midnightmagic: but I'm glad they have an alternative implementation running and syncing.
midnightmagic: we need more of those that can act as full nodes minus mining
mircea_popescu: cooperation is the bane of small anything. the reason afghanistan is stil a state whereas the united kingdom is a us dependency has everything to do with the mutual hostility of small groups of afghans. that aside, very little creative work is required or indeed desired in this soup.
mircea_popescu: losing sight of this basic concept is part of what makes the power rangers so retarded.
midnightmagic: i agree at that level. :) I'm talking five-ten people.
midnightmagic: creative cryptography is the only thing that will scale us. :(
decimation: midnightmagic: what kind of cryptographic problem must be solved?
BingoBoingo wonders is "creative locksmithing" is a thing
mircea_popescu: no noteworthy advance in cryptography has ever - in three thousand recorded years - the work of a group of five people, let alone ten
mircea_popescu: two are usually plenty, just gotta find the right two.
decimation: yeah, mythical man month and all that.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8449 @ 0.00071372 = 6.0302 BTC [+] {2}
X-Rob: mircea_popescu: ok, when this lease is over, it should automatically switch over to that pool.
mircea_popescu: cazalla pls to pastebin k ?
mircea_popescu: dpaste.com pastebin.com talke your pick
cazalla: sure, 1 sec
mike_c: wtf, twoplustwo is talking about ethereum now??
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midnightmagic: ehh.. a brainstorming group of people can generate and then refine, an idea faster than a singular person working alone if the idea is complex. see BIP32 for example, which is the idea of one or two people, but was furthered and fleshed out by more than one.
midnightmagic: decimation: how to represent changes in the blockchain reasonably securely without having the entire blockchain available, for example
mircea_popescu: <midnightmagic> ehh.. a brainstorming group of people can generate and then refine, an idea faster than a singular person working alone if the idea is complex. << statement doth not equal proof.
midnightmagic: working on a codebase of sufficient size is not reasonably doable for a single person, even if that person is working full-time. Temporarily divergent codebases similar to, e.g. NetBSD and OpenBSD, are an excellent example of the fruits of multiple, medium-sized groups working on partially-divergent codebases who together created more in a cohesive whole than either group did on their own.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: That's why I gave an example. :)
mircea_popescu: this is why you split codebases into things a person can handle.
mircea_popescu: the original unix/linux model.
mircea_popescu: not some derpy dept of microsoft inspired contraptio.
mircea_popescu: cazalla "People like Vitalek who spout off at the mouth are going in the wrong direction and taking you with them, making themselves richer and you poorer in the process." what's more, the you+them sum is also poorer. but yeah.
midnightmagic: wtf is up with them anyway
midnightmagic: ethereum
mircea_popescu: i would submit they're past their prime and the what has already been heard of them is the most that'll ever be heard of them.
mircea_popescu: exactly a la neobee and it's take over cypruss paper-only revolution.
mircea_popescu: !up ADG_
midnightmagic: sooo much money
midnightmagic: (relatively)
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Nice work on the venues page
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: images?
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: it's coming
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: thanks
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Payouts function coming too?
mike_c: ben_vulpes: login still feels buggy.. i just logged in successfully, but am now logged out.
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copumpkin: that seems poorly worded
ben_vulpes: mike_c: do you recall the sequence of pages that you hit?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14746 @ 0.00071113 = 10.4863 BTC [-] {2}
mike_c: i was on venue page. logged in separate tab. then clicked 'purchase ads'
mike_c: it said 'you're not logged in'. clicked other pages, same result.
mike_c: so logged in again, then it worked.
mike_c: also, i just bought ad for 8/18-8/19, and it is showing now.
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021697 B (Total: 474.46 B). Delta: -0.06 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00022 BTC [+]
mike_c: fuck, is it 8/18 already in london?
mike_c: ok, that one is my fault.
ben_vulpes: sorry gotta bail for a sec guys, but yeah utc. i'll add a callout, sry mike.
mike_c: no problem.
mike_c: 2 hour donation to vanads.
mike_c: feature suggestion: given text ads, simple parameters, an api would be nice.
ben_vulpes: i want to make an api as well!
mike_c: step 1: make OTP like gribble so i can curl it
ben_vulpes: right? :D
ben_vulpes: still, i have to polish this ball of mud to the point where people besides our little cult will throw money at it, and other people are willing to put its ads on their sites first.
mike_c: well isn't that what we're talking about?
ben_vulpes: i still have to prioritize all the possible things to do
TheNewDeal: finarry
TheNewDeal: !s pgp
assbot: SCOTT AIR FORCE BASE: DOD, where's my car? Transcom searches for missing vehicles | Top Stories | News Democrat
mike_c: %p
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 1.42 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.49 TH/s
TheNewDeal: so far what I have learned from A Few Thoughts on Cryptographic Engineering: long keys are unsightly, shrink them down to a size that can be visually verified by a human
dignork: TheNewDeal: gpg has a fingerprint, relatively short string identifying a key, it can be visually verified by human.
TheNewDeal: didn't even think of that. Was a joke nonetheless
TheNewDeal: or more, poking fun at said article
RagnarDanneskjol: dood where's my car - thats good lulz
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00071377 = 8.2797 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: dude where's my gpg key?
TheNewDeal: is A Wealth of Nations a good read?
ben_vulpes: <mike_c> step 1: make OTP like gribble so i can curl it << i'm leaning more towards a gpg-encrypted api; that is to say, curl -X POST -d file_with_signcrypted_order_blob.txt api.van-ads.com/v1/drinkingrecord/buy
ben_vulpes: i'm not *not* making you a gribble-style endpoint, just pondering aloud
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 1.45 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 0 TH/s
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 170384.84 in 1932 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -90.93
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.0007105 = 7.1761 BTC [-]
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> WHY SO VIOLENT MOD6! << haha.
mod6: that was pretty funny. i just had gotten started in eulora, and hadn't figured out how to pick anything up yet. so i tried to fight it.
mircea_popescu: mod6 it is pretty funny
mircea_popescu: !up rdekley
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal> is A Wealth of Nations a good read? << not bad.
TheNewDeal: seems like I'm getting meh reviews. On with the HG Wells then
mircea_popescu: "My trust in government is roughly 0% ... the problem is my faith in people and companies to get over their fear of government and change the status quo is also 0%. For that reason, even if the flaws in Bitcoin could be resolved, the fact that it exists outside of the government's control of the financial sector adds a huge element of risk. "
mircea_popescu: these people.
mircea_popescu: his faith in govt is 0% yet things not in the govt add a huge element of risk.
mircea_popescu: logic, for people who can't add.
mod6: hehehe
mircea_popescu: "i like saying that racism is bad to try and score chicks and i hate niggers and spics."
mircea_popescu: "i have no trust in government and anything not the government is mean and bad."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00071058 = 14.1405 BTC [+]
TheNewDeal: I like the ring of that
mircea_popescu: mad props for reducing the whole story to the familiar form of the ron paul debate tho. "the flaws in bitcoin" and "people do things"
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, bitcoin is flawless and nobody needs to do anything whatsoever
TheNewDeal: I wonder if someday these people will be forced into understanding, or continue to be galavanting neurosis
mircea_popescu: here's an element of risk : visa misplaces something to the tune of 1k payments EACH MONTH.
mircea_popescu: total btc payments that didn't go where they were supposed to or got lost to date ? 0.
mircea_popescu: that's an infinity of orders of magnitude better, or as many as you can count. flaws in bitcoin my left foot.
ben_vulpes: pshaw
ben_vulpes: perhaps an academic distinction, but the people misfire all the time
mircea_popescu: purely academic.
mircea_popescu: im not discussing the millions of txn that get misfired on the ccs.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11851 @ 0.0007117 = 8.4344 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust ben_vulpes
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask ben_vulpes!~user@unaffiliated/benkay. Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user ben_vulpes: Level 1: 3, Level 2: 12 via 9 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=BingoBoingo&dest=ben_vulpes | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ben_vulpes | Rated since: Sun Mar 10 13:57:45 2013
danielpbarron: !up usagi
usagi: thanks
usagi: I'll be back in a second, some contractors are over here now
danielpbarron: only got 30 minutes; every second counts..
TheNewDeal: usagi's in the house!
TheNewDeal: !s usagi
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