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BingoBoingo: ;;google theymos scammer tag
gribble: [CLOSED] GLBSE drama - Bitcoin Forum: <>; Scammer tag : Nefario, theymos, others known and unknown - Trilema: <>; AMA Request: The most powerful man in bitcoin, Theymos. | The ...: < (1 more message)
TheNewDeal: oooo this looks good
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 188 Ask: 225 Last Price: 188 24h-Vol: 152k High: 195 Low: 188 VWAP: 192
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 186726.40 in 1990 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -90.06
BingoBoingo: !up dreamstring
dreamstring: Alright im ready to have my ass handed to me
dreamstring: im on the defense on you shooting down the altcoin
BingoBoingo: dreamstring: Just admit you were woefully under prepared and you are gong to actually read.
dreamstring: Oh that was a sad sad attempt at what I thought would be a two second plug
dreamstring: I'll be much more willing to discuss the details of what i have planned once i know how this place operates though, thanks.
BingoBoingo: dreamstring: I'm kind of expecting that if you read you can have a few thousand words on why it was broken
BingoBoingo: !s ATC
dreamstring: Just through the logs bash?
BingoBoingo: ;;topic
BingoBoingo: dreamstring: blogs and bash are a quicker primer, logs take a while
BingoBoingo: !s litecoin experiment
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Imma hypothesize that few things introduce people to each other and unite communities as effectively as teargas. <<< candida, actually :D
dreamstring: word, thanks for the reads. Im gonna cash out for the night while i delve into some of theses. thanks guys.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: lol
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.08 B (86%) on Yes, 186.56 B (14%) on No | closing in 6 months 4 days | weight: 55`100 (100`000 to 1)
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Which part is the record in this case?
mike_c: ;;calc (199609 / [ticker --last]) - 314.6
gribble: 56.5377200974
mike_c: woohoo warren. running like a man in his 70's.
mircea_popescu: !up laurita
mircea_popescu: mike_c got a solid 20% there.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo iirc it was like 87 or so
mike_c: he's killing it. we'll see if he can keep it up.
mircea_popescu: he was underwater by abou 10% at some point there
mike_c: he hadn't heard about the bet yet
mircea_popescu: anyway, remember all the knowitalls that explained how unfair a bet it was, right then ? because OBIVOUSLY etc.
mike_c: ^ the story of all interesting bitbets
mircea_popescu: peepz just got this irresistible impulse to believe they know shit.
assbot: PetaMeta pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mike_c: I saw :) i disagree with a couple points, but a counter-rebuttal.. too meta
TheNewDeal: this thread is goldem
mike_c: mencken has some interesting quotes, doesn't he.
TheNewDeal: love how many dumbasses / psuedonyms thermos exposed to back himself
mike_c: lol fluffypony. you don't get to accept! assbot rates who assbot wants.
BingoBoingo: ;;seen penguirker
gribble: penguirker was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 10 hours, 42 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <penguirker> New blog post:
assbot: Record Large Public Bitcoin Bet Reached | Bingo Blog
mike_c: i was too lazy to look. did anybody get kicked out of assbot L1?
BingoBoingo: mike_c: dexx7, danielpbarron, checkdavid
mike_c: ah. 30 people right now. i wonder what the right # is.
BingoBoingo: Prolly between 2 and 78
BingoBoingo: 150 would definitely be too many
BingoBoingo: !up nubbins`
BingoBoingo: !up dpb_reddit
BingoBoingo: !Up RagnarsBitch
assbot: kyuupichann +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
assbot: kyuupichan +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
assbot: kyuupichan +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
dub: !up kyuupichan
kyuupichan: dub: tq
TheNewDeal: bitcoin is not against rich getting richer
BingoBoingo: Alderman arrested in Ferguson
assbot: Tef Poe/FootKlan (TefPoe) auf Twitter
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> make a connection. << does objective-c whatever, provided you're willing to pay fiat objective-c rates for people who actually know what they're doing.
assbot: Survant James - Design & Engineering
FabianB: $mpexstatus
empyex: FabianB: Proxies: Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91
empyex: FabianB: MPEx-Status: (884 milliseconds), (1177 milliseconds), (error), (787 milliseconds), (929 milliseconds)
ben_vulpes: mpex.cpanel (error)
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes nope. i'm willing to pay a pittance to take over code already written and not making a penny.
BingoBoingo: !up m4rCsi
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> Prolly between 2 and 78 << hopefully 200ish
BingoBoingo: In time
BingoBoingo: Oh, I went from having under 10k Meat in merchandise in my mall store to...
BingoBoingo: Approaching 50% of danielpbarron's marketcap for his BTC/MEAT asset in just shit from years ago
BingoBoingo: !up Anon29486307___
BingoBoingo: Hello Anon29486307___
RagnarDanneskjol: mircea_popescu - I have my bot dev on the other line - he is reading the logs right now. This guy runs the bot for my room. lemme know if you're around to chat it up w/ him
RagnarDanneskjol: thats him
RagnarDanneskjol: dunno if he's around Molo, hang in for a bit
BingoBoingo: !up MolokoDeck
MolokoDeck: hello, ragnar
MolokoDeck: so, I'm still reviewing the bitcoin-assets log related to a bot project involving posting and cryptosigning cryptodocuments.. or something to that effect.
MolokoDeck: ok. so it handles both pre-encrypted and plaintext documents.
MolokoDeck: authentication test from a single-point trusted registry.
MolokoDeck: insertion of validation hash onto the bitcoin block chain with a transaction: requires use of the bitcoind API or connection to the bitcoin mining network.
BigBitz: mircea_popescu I like LastPass, actually :)
MolokoDeck: also requires the bot to have a wallet.
RagnarDanneskjol: nothing to do with inserting hash to bitcoin
MolokoDeck: am I reading the same thing you are?
RagnarDanneskjol: and not necessarily running bitcoind / wallet. i will let mircea elaborate
MolokoDeck: "2. all the valid deeds received in a specified interval, say 512 seconds, are appended together, hashed, and the resulting hash is inserted into a bitcoin transaction, which becomes part of the bitcoin blocchain."
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol more or less.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDeck hey there.
MolokoDeck: only the validating hash goes on the blockchain, not the entire block of documents, I take it?
MolokoDeck: hello.
mircea_popescu: yes, only the hash.
MolokoDeck: the bot has to buffer state and monitor for validations, which could take tens of minutes, then inform the irc channel, and update the central web logs for public notice.
BigBitz: mircea_popescu you're trying to create some new bot? what purpose?
mircea_popescu: tis in teh logs.
MolokoDeck: automated contract notarization I would think.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDeck validations of what ?
MolokoDeck: or something entirely general purpose.
BigBitz: mircea_popescu you know I am lazy. :(
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
BigBitz: thanks RagnarDanneskjol.
MolokoDeck: the block of documents gets cryptosigned with a hash of the documents inside. That hash gets sent to the blockchain. The other validation (initial validation) is of the cryptosignature on each document. The documents have to be legit before they go into the bundle that get's logged and recorded permenently as a hash on the blockchain.
MolokoDeck: so I overloade the term "validate".
MolokoDeck: overloaded.
MolokoDeck: the blockchain is being used to make an immutable public record of the authenticating hash of the document bundle being published.
MolokoDeck: since the hash is inserted as a comment in the blockchain, I think one might be able to create bogus blocks that have the same has by inserting a salt and mining a single hash here.
MolokoDeck: lemme think about that.
MolokoDeck: you can't change the hash, but you could make any block match the hash, possibly, if you had enough mining time.
BigBitz: Negative.
MolokoDeck: it wouldn't be on the central trusted registry though, but that may not be entirely secure. or someone would have to check an document the recieved by another channel against the central registry or website.
BigBitz: the nonce, at best, you could influence.
MolokoDeck: ok. am I clueless?
BigBitz: the block hash you cannot influence (AFAIK)
MolokoDeck: right, you'd dither the nonce until you got some other block to match the hash.
BigBitz: heh, I may be clueless, but I don't think a miner can influence the hash value of the clock.
MolokoDeck: oh nevermind. It would have to match the ENTIRE hash. megayears. ok. i get it.
BigBitz: err block.
BigBitz: Yup - correct.
BigBitz: If they had some quantums, maybe :P
MolokoDeck: I'm not sure there's a quantum algorith for SHA256 that's particularly leveraged, but there are supposedly turing-complete quantum gate computers that could accellerate that. Let's not go into that.
MolokoDeck: those don't exist yet at any meaningful scale.
BingoBoingo: lol, There was an optical computing conversation this week...
MolokoDeck: whatever happened to that optical matrix multiplcation chip?
MolokoDeck: ok. getting distracted.
BigBitz: hey.
BigBitz: I just you.
BigBitz: and this is crazy.
BigBitz: but here's my number.
BigBitz: so call me maybe?
mircea_popescu: <MolokoDeck> right, you'd dither the nonce until you got some other block to match the hash. << the nonce isn't actually large enough
BingoBoingo: I just met you, this is crazy. Here's my weiner. So blow me baby.
MolokoDeck: doable in php or python. php has a fairly bad reputation in cryptocurrency lately. And in computer science for different reasons (you can't predict the outcome of certain operations).
mircea_popescu: you'd need a nonce as large as the keyspace of the hash
MolokoDeck: also in php one would either have to use a package or use system calls to do the encryption.
MolokoDeck: I've done it that way.
MolokoDeck: I was wondering about that. I'm not clear on how much influence a nonce has on hash outcomes. so that explains that question.
BigBitz: none is only 32 bit field.
BigBitz: nonce. man. my typing is getting bad in my older years.
MolokoDeck: I was considering just adding an arbirary number of bits to the bogus message.
MolokoDeck: anyway, I think you've settled my question about the feasibility/non-feasibility of spoofing a single hash.
MolokoDeck: the security of the bot sending something via bitcoin api ... still thinking about that.
MolokoDeck: is this for everyone in the world to use, or only for a select community of presumable trusted parties?
MolokoDeck: obviously they'd have to be registered with wot.
RagnarDanneskjol: or just each other
BingoBoingo: MolokoDeck: If you have a good source of entropy for nonces, electrum has a nice CLI, this thing prolly ought to be connected to a private electrum server though if going for that over bitcoind
MolokoDeck: looking at a case where anyone can put a hash on the blockchain and present a document block with that hash.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDeck to validate a hash has to be signed by someone in assbot's l2
mircea_popescu: meh,. a message not a hash
MolokoDeck: sure, a non-mining/non-blockchain-manitaining client.
MolokoDeck: typos.
RagnarDanneskjol: reading for later: - vhost exploits, sorry pdf only
MolokoDeck: ok. not sure what my timeframe to completion on this would be presuming I would be doing it. My development resources are limited right now (one virtual host)
RagnarDanneskjol: I got server space coming outta my ears
RagnarDanneskjol: all those half finished projects
MolokoDeck: ok. that's solved.
MolokoDeck: heh. I know the feeling.
RagnarDanneskjol: !up MolokoDeck
mircea_popescu: MolokoDeck there's no rush.
mircea_popescu: and yeah, we have ~ one trillion boxes.
MolokoDeck: ok. my feeling about it now is doable. timescale more than a few weeks, adjustment of code until everyone's satsified, then some committment to maintain or modify it if desirable.
[]bot: Bet placed: 3 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $500 before October" Odds: 64(Y):36(N) by coin, 60(Y):40(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.597 BTC. Current weight: 72,617.
MolokoDeck: let me look into it.
BigBitz: which market does that use, mircea_popescu?
BigBitz: as Bitfinex hit sub 500.
BigBitz: Ah uses Bitstamp.
BigBitz stops being lazy and looks.
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 509.91, Best ask: 509.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.08000, Last trade: 510.0, 24 hour volume: 29402.57027823, 24 hour low: 508.12, 24 hour high: 562.04, 24 hour vwap: 538.760662926
RagnarDanneskjol: Molo, please try to work on it some this weekend... I am actively recruiting until it gets done- first to finish line wins
MolokoDeck: testing the bottom at 480-whatever seems reasonable.
mircea_popescu: BigBitz nfi.
RagnarDanneskjol: ;;rate MolokoDeck 2 bot wizard, smart alec
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
MolokoDeck: ok, I'm not a big fan of races and bounties, but understood.
MolokoDeck: you should keep looking.
mircea_popescu: srsly, it's not a huge rush, it's been waiting for the proper maker/maintainer for monthgs,.
MolokoDeck: I'll stay in touch with ragnar about this.
RagnarDanneskjol: gratzi, love ye man
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.08 B (86%) on Yes, 186.56 B (14%) on No | closing in 6 months 4 days | weight: 55`052 (100`000 to 1)
mircea_popescu: if anyone cares, ultima forever is closing august 29th.
assbot: Important Sunset Announcement
mircea_popescu: 14 months is what a forever takes these days
cazalla: was it any good?
RagnarDanneskjol: thats what she said
RagnarDanneskjol: please consider whatever trojan horsery might be hiding is pdf from this source. looks safe to be, but what do I know
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.28051001 = 0.561 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ultima ? well... like a ultima i imagine.,
cazalla: so pk fest
assbot: Alleged phone thief calls 911 because victim wont leave her alone | Ars Technica
RagnarDanneskjol: taken to King County Jail for investigation of robbery as well as for allegedly possessing three grams of crack
RagnarDanneskjol: makes sense now
[]bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $500 before October" Odds: 80(Y):20(N) by coin, 76(Y):24(N) by weight. Total bet: 11.597 BTC. Current weight: 72,569.
RagnarDanneskjol: btc @ 499 on btce, good times
wyrdmantis: ;;last
gribble: [04:59:08] <RagnarDanneskjol> btc @ 499 on btce, good times
wyrdmantis: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 511.26, Best ask: 511.8, Bid-ask spread: 0.54000, Last trade: 511.8, 24 hour volume: 30566.58153234, 24 hour low: 506.66, 24 hour high: 558.0, 24 hour vwap: 537.336702671
assbot: Creating The Largest, Highest-Density Bitcoin Community In The World
wyrdmantis: wow such marketing
RagnarDanneskjol: hadn't seen this one before:
assbot: bitcoin-beauties-
[]bot: Bet placed: 1.00089999 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $500 before October" Odds: 81(Y):19(N) by coin, 78(Y):22(N) by weight. Total bet: 12.5979 BTC. Current weight: 72,548.
assbot: Neue BIP-Berechnung: Guten Morgen, wir sind reicher! - Konjunktur - Politik - Handelsblatt
mircea_popescu: looking into the source page... lol.
xmj: this is how you make yourself EUR 80 bln richer, overnight: just include black market transactions in government GDP.
RagnarDanneskjol: rough looking chicks in there
xmj: meh
assbot: Schneier on Security: New Snowden Interview in Wired
[]bot: Bet placed: 1.14323086 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $500 before October" Odds: 83(Y):17(N) by coin, 80(Y):20(N) by weight. Total bet: 14.13927827 BTC. Current weight: 72,380.
chetty: Goooood Morning B-A
pankkake: !up drawingthesun
pankkake: !up CoalPowerGorilla
jurov: afternoon
jurov: almost every time i do something with hardware, there is blood
jurov: yuck
pankkake: :o never got to that point, though I often hurt
RagnarDanneskjol: I'm on the other end, everytime I do something with software, there is blood and gnashing of teeth
jurov: literal blood?
RagnarDanneskjol: sometimes
RagnarDanneskjol: fists against monitor and such
jurov: unless you still use CRTs you must be pretty feeble creatures
RagnarDanneskjol: Yes, I still rock a CRT 2nd screen for nostalgia & to help accelerate global warming
Duffer1: appendectomy
Duffer1: stomach is a basketball
Duffer1: it's good to be home
chetty: Duffer1, ouch, wb, get well
Duffer1: oh thanks chetty :)
chetty: !up wyrdmantis
wyrdmantis: thanks chetty, i can voice myself now
chetty: cool, grats wyrdmantis
wyrdmantis: ;;seen punkman
gribble: punkman was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 21 hours, 45 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <punkman> you wash some of your own btc, jerk some puppets, the muppets won't be able to resist
wyrdmantis: hi wywialm
wywialm: hi wyrdmantis
wyrdmantis: ;;gettrust wyrdmantis
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask wyrdmantis!570281e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Trust relationship from user wyrdmantis to user wyrdmantis: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Mon Aug 11 07:05:19 2014
assbot: Short Term Update: genuine crash at bitfinex or an orchestrated manipulation? | Bitcoin Trading Signals
wyrdmantis: so this bitcoin empire we must obey :)
wyrdmantis: "I see manipulation" <<<--- seems legit
wyrdmantis: seems that i have to learn doing something useful for the WoT. I think what i know is not enough. I'm thinking to open a blog in Italian about my first steps in b-a, so people in italy can understand what is happening. Do you think it's a good idea?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1158 @ 0.00175135 = 2.0281 BTC [-] {7}
chetty: blogs are always a good idea
mircea_popescu: wyrdmantis well, maybe, but if them people don't speak english they'll have a hard time understanding.
mircea_popescu: Enky doesn't that look suspiciously like ?
assbot:, the bucket shop pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
wyrdmantis: mircea_popescu yeah it will be just a translation service
mircea_popescu: Io parlo italiano :)
wyrdmantis: mircea_popescu pizza spaghetti & mandolino!
mircea_popescu: no, en serio.
wyrdmantis: ottimo allora mi capisci :)
wyrdmantis: ma non abiti in italia, vero?
mircea_popescu: ora in argentina.
RagnarDanneskjol: Does anyone know how to buy btc on the street in china? resources/directories, etc
wyrdmantis: RagnarDanneskjol no sorry, but would be interesting to know
RagnarDanneskjol: yea - Im sure they have some go-to network that most folks use - All i know of is Bobby Lee. I have a client who needs to pay me a retainer and they are new to all this so need to figure it out for them, show them the ropes, but I got no clue
assbot: Tech Visionary George Gilder: "Bitcoin is the Libertarian Solution to the Money Enigma." -
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $500 before October" Odds: 85(Y):15(N) by coin, 82(Y):18(N) by weight. Total bet: 15.94927827 BTC. Current weight: 72,230.
wyrdmantis: RagnarDanneskjol can't they buy bitcoins on OKcoin?
RagnarDanneskjol: Sure, but I think there are approval times, limits, etc. They want to send me a large retainer fee [10k] like yesterday, and I want to have them to learn it the right way
RagnarDanneskjol: I guess I should be asking this in otc
assbot: ClubOrlov: Permission to Steal Everything
RagnarDanneskjol: HA good lulz, great blog
wyrdmantis: intersting blog, yes, thanks asciilifeform
wywialm: asciilifeform, Orlov seems to be one of the best informed people I read on the Ukrainian affair
wywialm: especially with regard to details
wywialm: on the other hand, he sometimes is pretty one-sided
wyrdmantis: i cant form an opinion but his version sounds more accurate
wyrdmantis: media here in italy are superficial and manipulated
wywialm: true, yet the russian media also add a lot of propaganda and russian population seems to be much more susceptible
wyrdmantis: world is a mess
asciilifeform: can't wait for the west to get carved up into fictional bantustans and the folks who object to be called propagandists.
pankkake: ;;ticker --low
gribble: 497.0
wyrdmantis: asciilifeform are you referring to the immigration problem in europe?
asciilifeform: wyrdmantis: nope. breakup of ussr
asciilifeform: wyrdmantis: and the resulting cluttering of the map with fictional countries having no functioning military, economy, etc.
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
asciilifeform: (but plenty of rabid 'patriots')
nubbins`: ^ he shoulda just called this album "totally not on coke", amirite?!?!
jurov: asciilifeform are there ingredients that enable it, like religion/language?
asciilifeform: jurov: sometimes (e.g. kazakhstan) - at other times, a regional dialect was reworked with american help into a constructed 'language' (ukraine)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.30297465 = 1.8178 BTC [+] {3}
jurov: well, who'll help the muricans develop their languages?
BigBitz: <$500 settled. good bet.
asciilifeform: who will 'help' the americans, remains to be seen
asciilifeform: (other than the 'four horsemen' naturally)
jurov: you'll certainly find some foreign entity to blame in hindsight, ofc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 50 @ 0.32896566 = 16.4483 BTC [+] {14}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1300 @ 0.00316671 = 4.1167 BTC [+] {11}
wywialm: asciilifeform, what countries do you suspect of being first in the line, apart from baltic & ukraine, as they barely can be classified as 'the west'
jurov: perhaps scotland?
wywialm: yeah, that would be a good shot, a independence + rather leftist political climate
wywialm: but it is relatively off-center. the continental Europe is still very centralist, Russia does not have strength to penetrate it
wywialm: Poland is on the frontier, but any pro-regional tendencies are almost nonexistent. moreover it is a very hard nation to administer and russians when they were stronger did not risk running it on their own
wywialm: jurov, as Scotland remains within UK, the bantustan scenario is more unlikely
assbot: Scottish independence referendum - Poll Tracker - BBC News
assbot: A Few Thoughts on Cryptographic Engineering: What's the matter with PGP?
TomServo: "It's time for PGP to die."
dignork: TomServo: main point if this article, gpg is not friendly enough for the masses. People running running windows, using facebook, posting photos of the ir credit cards on twitter.
pankkake: I follow this blog, but that article was pretty weak
pankkake: you'll never remove the learning curve of security, or you'll just provide bad security
pankkake: and then "the defaults suck" well, ok, but why reinvent the wheel instead of changing them?
assbot: A Few Thoughts on Cryptographic Engineering: Attack of the Week: Triple Handshakes (3Shake)
asciilifeform: re: the pgp piece << classic hatchet job
assbot: The Bitcoin dumping charade, explained:
pete_dushenski: @cryptoweather: @pete_dushenski that's some bizarre ass language.
[]bot: Bet placed: 8 BTC for No on "S.MG above 2x par on October 1st, 2014" Odds: 8(Y):92(N) by coin, 13(Y):87(N) by weight. Total bet: 15.24992437 BTC. Current weight: 23,853.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 10.62588912 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 924 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.76657328 BTC to 13`862 shares, 12744 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] [PAID] 3.31314540 BTC to 162`012 shares, 2045 satoshi per share
assbot: Pledge Bitcoin, Kill Zombies. | CoinJar Blog
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2001 @ 0.00166775 = 3.3372 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ROCK] 1000 @ 0.00061999 = 0.62 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 184 @ 0.006 = 1.104 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9469 @ 0.00005299 = 0.5018 BTC [+]
assbot: World's biggest angel investor is Visa & Mastercard - do you want in?
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 520.0, vol: 25543.65927264 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 516.921, vol: 10879.90304 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 515.74, vol: 38948.88757602 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 537.88, vol: 94.37342622 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 510.34425, vol: 9760.91140000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 513.62215, vol: 16.72179682 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 529.254, vol: 135.78570134 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 518.71, Best ask: 519.99, Bid-ask spread: 1.28000, Last trade: 519.99, 24 hour volume: 25534.83203354, 24 hour low: 497.0, 24 hour high: 555.0, 24 hour vwap: 521.399046324
ben_vulpes: 2014 - lost year?
assbot: World's biggest angel investor is Visa & Mastercard - do you want in?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Seems like it now, but... Still a few months left
ben_vulpes: punkman: reads like it.
ben_vulpes: punkman: are you active on the forums? would you post a link to
ben_vulpes: !s ninjashogun cereal
punkman: ben_vulpes: no I don't forum
ben_vulpes: who forums?
punkman: this is the forum anyway
kakobrekla: !s storj
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 336 @ 0.001685 = 0.5662 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla: ben_vulpes, cant. banned again.
kakobrekla: the third or fourth time. i think i get the message now.
BingoBoingo: I think kako_Number_5 will stick on the forum
kakobrekla: not worth it, my handles dont last 5 posts.
TomServo: Could someone fill in the blanks for me on how the connection between ninjashogun and usg was made? Sounds like an average scammer to me.
TomServo: asciilifeform: I think I've read that twice now... I must be too dense to see the connection?
TomServo: Or just the fact he was suggesting to cripple the cardano?
asciilifeform: artfully.
BigBitz: Oh Christ.
BigBitz: ninjashogun.
asciilifeform: he started here as 'robwizz22' and changed handles, as he promised to do in the tail end of ninjashogun.txt
asciilifeform: or was it the other way around
asciilifeform can't be bothered to remember
HeySteve: hello. for those who'd like to try out my game, the testnet chapter is up:
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 787 @ 0.0028001 = 2.2037 BTC [-]
kdomanski: !up nam-shub
nam-shub: save ferris!
assbot: Wi Endemanndom
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kakobrekla: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 513.73, Best ask: 515.35, Bid-ask spread: 1.62000, Last trade: 515.36, 24 hour volume: 24866.80245369, 24 hour low: 497.0, 24 hour high: 551.86, 24 hour vwap: 520.050303533
HeySteve: KMac, scholarly troll extraordinaire
kakobrekla: ;;calc 202730/520
gribble: 389.865384615
[]bot: Bet created: "Bitcoin under $100 before New Year"
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Berkshire Hathaway BRK-B to close at over $135 in 2014" Odds: 86(Y):14(N) by coin, 81(Y):19(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.3 BTC. Current weight: 64,982.
[]bot: Bet placed: 23 BTC for No on "1BTC >= $10,000 USD" Odds: 11(Y):89(N) by coin, 16(Y):84(N) by weight. Total bet: 670.49826824 BTC. Current weight: 27,204.
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HeySteve: kdomanski I remember an MP article on that stuff, conclusion being that a unique address is better
kdomanski: I read that one
kdomanski: it's sweet how they linked to a "research article"
kdomanski: "you gotta but this! science says you do!"
HeySteve: yeah I wouldn't pay those domain squatters, they're like lazy thieves
kdomanski: s/but/buy/
HeySteve: I believe they pre-register a lot of commercially desirable names, like for medicines, vehicles and probably other stuff
HeySteve: bullshit leech industry
kdomanski__: goddamn mobile internet
kdomanski__: HeySteve: I read an article once about registrars who preemtively register domains that people check for availability
BingoBoingo: !up wyrdmantis
assbot: Bitfinex: cascading margin calls resulting in flash crash - MATLAB TRADING
dignork: probably confusing cause an effect
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 515.39, vol: 24860.40283364 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 512.226, vol: 10810.34961 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 512.5, vol: 38798.64924902 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 539.63, vol: 67.88741951 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 508.73875, vol: 10013.49190000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 513.62215, vol: 16.67179682 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 519.898633663, vol: 133.82728489 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 188 Ask: 221 Last Price: 188 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A
mircea_popescu: 0 volume ? fo reals ?
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 187555.13 in 1982 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -90.01
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Looks like the not unknown post dump standoff
mircea_popescu: so retarded lol
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,diff
gribble: Error: "bc,diff" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 315642 | Current Difficulty: 1.9729645940577133E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 316511 | Next Difficulty In: 869 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 22 hours, 30 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 23610240555.8 | Estimated Percent Change: 19.66885
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 25/19729645940.577133 * 1878190.93
gribble: 0.00237990957321
mircea_popescu: is it 512 atcs per block ?
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 0.00237990957321 / 512
gribble: 4.64826088518e-06
BingoBoingo: Yeah 512 per block
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 188 Ask: 221 Last Price: 188 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 187555.13 in 1982 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -90.01
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.09 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 1613.00 GH/s
mircea_popescu: so 0.00000464 or 464 satoshi per atc at current diff, 46 satoshi per atc at next diff.
BingoBoingo: It's amazing really that the stuff trades in the middle of those two extremes
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assbot: A travel agent just gave me back my money and said that he didnt feel comfortable with booking my flight. No federal interference here!
pete_dushenski: "Try to see it from a police officer’s point of view: You may be unarmed, but you’re also black"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo tell him it's probably someone who had invested in his failed keiser-led kickstarter clone thing.
mircea_popescu: "you're a famous failure nao, bitch. deal with it."
BingoBoingo: lol, I'll let him wonder. Some lessons sting more with a few years of hindsight.
mircea_popescu: good to have for when he finally capitulates, 2020 or w/e.
mircea_popescu: ima just go !s "you're a famous failure nao, bitch. deal with it." and all the greybeards will chuckle privately.
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mircea_popescu: que "i'm such a jerk, and history coming to bite one in the ass is so unfair, and what sort of usg democracy is this where responsibility exists!!1"
mircea_popescu: they were promised irresponsibility without consequence and a shot at megaupside, DANG IT!!!!
mircea_popescu: free lottery tickets and billion dolar jackpots, that's what the american dream is all about!
mircea_popescu: getting back to the atc thing,
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 2048 * (188 - 46) / 100000000
gribble: 0.00290816
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 2048 * 512 * (188 - 46) / 100000000
gribble: 1.48897792
mircea_popescu: right. so whoever's doing the hopping thing makes about 1k every 4k blocks, which works out to about... 20 weeks or so ?
mircea_popescu: this is less than unemployment benefits, by almost a degree of magnitude.
mircea_popescu: it never ceases to amaze me how cheap people will work for just as long as they're free, or in reverse, how fucking insanely much tyranny has to pay its drone worker.
BingoBoingo: Amazing isn't it
mircea_popescu: in other news, turns out laurina is a major brand on birth control pills.
chetty: well how much would you want to be paid to do drone work?
asciilifeform: how cheap people will work for just as long as they're free << this goes back to what people actually need money for
mircea_popescu: in romanian it sounds like it were "Piss's", if Piss were a restaurant or something
mircea_popescu: "Joe's Diner", "La Joe"
asciilifeform: la urina ?
asciilifeform: therapist/the-rapist
assbot: Laurina - Network Ten
mircea_popescu: "What is your best asset and why? I’m very playful and easy to have fun with."
mircea_popescu: I guess it beats "i trickle"
mircea_popescu: "How are you going to stand out from the other Bachelorettes? Be myself."
mircea_popescu: bwahahaha oh internets...
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell RagnarDanneskjol had you reg'd with a gpg address like respectable folk i would now have everything I need to send you an email. wtf am i going to do with a bitcoin address ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
los_pantalones: mircea_popescu, i think we are going to trade some ether with you
los_pantalones: still interested
los_pantalones: would be small size
los_pantalones: i have to work out the details on our side but i wanted to check you first
mircea_popescu: if you're not going to go into some version of "but why do i have to actually take some risk on, isn't this one of those deals where people just get free resources for being people, like from the government ?"
mircea_popescu: cuz im kinda getting sick of that approach.
los_pantalones: you tell me the terms of how you are interested
los_pantalones: and i'll decide if we are going to trade
mircea_popescu: i made a model, it's been linked a few times, lemme find it
mircea_popescu: !s from:mircea_popescu pastebin
assbot: 30 results for 'from:mircea_popescu pastebin' :
justusranvier: I heard a theory about Ethereum which I'm not sure has been floated here before.
justusranvier: The theory is it's a laundring operation of the exact form use by politial campain fundraising
assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Future Delivery Contract Fo -
justusranvier: The Ether "investors" are the same vendors who are going be paid using the received Bitcoins.
mircea_popescu: but just as long as there's a clear delineation of risk, and you undertake the risk of ethereum not going anywhere, we can prolly hammer something out
los_pantalones: yeah, this is what i had in mind
los_pantalones: i send, i risk today to aug, you deliver ether then
mircea_popescu: justusranvier didja see you got baronized meanwhile btw ?
justusranvier: I did. Thanks. Do I get a castle or something now? Vassals?
los_pantalones: and it would be really small, ~30 something btc
mircea_popescu: justusranvier well you get the ability to permavoice ppls.
los_pantalones: i just signed your gpg too
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones that 30 something btc would not only be the biggest anyone's entertained yet,
mircea_popescu: but it would actually exceed the sum total of ~20 or so different parties.
justusranvier: Useful.
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones well no point in signing it, seeing how it doesn't have your name on it and its past its own expiration clause
los_pantalones: no, i signed your gpg outside of this, got the company i'm working with to start to come around on the idea of everyone having one
los_pantalones: so i thought you were the best place to start
mircea_popescu: oh oh you mean you signed my gpg signature ?
mircea_popescu: yeah makes sense. and yeah, get the bums in the wot.
los_pantalones: agreed, have to start somewhere
mircea_popescu: who knows, maybe next time they open the books, a baron is you :D
los_pantalones: but i started a new one connected to this company
los_pantalones: well, not if i'm the biggest fool of the bunch!
mircea_popescu: you know this multisig thing is tempting conceptually, much like multi addresses seem the only way to go.
mircea_popescu: however, in practice, one quickly discovers that value accumulates, and a signature or a btc address is more like a domain name than even a domain name.
BigBitz: mutlisig is nice.
BigBitz: multisig as well.
mircea_popescu: BigBitz i didn't mean the power ranger derpage. i just meant, one having multiple gpg signatures.
BigBitz: subkeys you mean?
los_pantalones: nah, new pubkey
los_pantalones: i have a personal one, attached to my activities outside of work
los_pantalones: and one for work porpoises
mircea_popescu: maybe that's the right way to go and i'm just seeing the particular effects of my very peculiar personality, where i have no problem receiving slut selfies on office@
los_pantalones: i don't technically own the trust i earn working for this company
los_pantalones: i think would be the argument they would make
mircea_popescu: why not ?
mircea_popescu: fuck them lol. of course you do.
mircea_popescu: !up shovel_boss
shovel_boss: much thanks
mircea_popescu: the very point of personal sovereignity is that you do, not they.
shovel_boss: why do i get voice but not the other 200 peoples
los_pantalones: yes yes, but when i'm acting on their behalf am i acting as a sovereign entity?
mircea_popescu: because you're that special.
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones yes. always.
shovel_boss: ohhh noice
mircea_popescu: !up _Crypto
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones in the immortal words of pappy, "and on this issue there can be no debate"
los_pantalones: ok well there are very well defined IP ownership clauses in my contract and i just thought this made sense as a starting point
mircea_popescu: hey, im more into discussing the thing for the intellectual sake of theory
los_pantalones: perhaps i'll merge them as it becomes clearer to me but it seemed like a cheap option to do it this way
mircea_popescu: than anything
mircea_popescu: i can see it.
shovel_boss: mircea_popescu, mate can i post a channel name here
mircea_popescu: you can, but it won't do much
shovel_boss: ok mate
shovel_boss: i do TA(technical analysis, tell you when to buy or sell) on coins, i do it for anyone and any can join me at #shovel_boss crypto related and un related chat everyone is welcome :)
mircea_popescu: lol vanity chan srsly ?
jurov: lol
pankkake: even #bitcoin-assets isn't named #mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: they had a ta chan but i don't recall what it was atm
shovel_boss: ahahahah, ok
shovel_boss: i want to rename it sometime soon
mircea_popescu: omg pankzzing
shovel_boss: but people know me from twitter
shovel_boss: so i named it shovel_boss :D
jurov: what is the near term outlook?
jurov: the price will be stable unless it changes?
chetty: to the moon
jurov: it was #bitcoin-anal no?
BingoBoingo: pankkake> even #bitcoin-assets isn't named #mircea_popescu << #Kako_Chat would be a nice name for a channel
mircea_popescu: -ChanServ- #iamaslut is now registered to mircea_popescu.
mircea_popescu: !up RBecker
RBecker: i'm idented :P hi
mircea_popescu: ;;ident RBecker
gribble: Nick 'RBecker', with hostmask 'RBecker!~RBecker@openvpn/user/RBecker', is identified as user 'RBecker', with GPG key id 8B2731A00F23E23F, key fingerprint 2C423D6DAE3CE952191B66EC8B2731A00F23E23F, and bitcoin address 1FgELbRe6ZnRU6xC4PvTXfDozEiAxVNL5P
mircea_popescu: uh who the hell are you ?!
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot RBecker
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask RBecker!~RBecker@openvpn/user/RBecker. Trust relationship from user assbot to user RBecker: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Sat May 7 15:15:25 2011
mircea_popescu: o look at that, old timers so old even mp has nfi.
mircea_popescu: for a moment i imagined pete_dushenski's rebecca's name actually is becker. for maximal lulz.
BingoBoingo: !Up diana_coman
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.30337504 = 1.5169 BTC [-] {3}
mthreat: I just found out I'm a lord
dignork: mthreat: congrats :)
mircea_popescu: cue seinfeld finding out "She's into it".
artifexd: ;;gettrust assbot mthreat
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask mthreat! Trust relationship from user assbot to user mthreat: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 5 via 5 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Fri Jun 6 20:38:22 2014
mircea_popescu: "i'd have to get new friends, orgy friends"
mthreat: I'll have to buy a funny hat, or something
mircea_popescu: "I'd have to grow a moustache and get all kinds of robes and lotions and I'd need a new bedspread and new ... "
mthreat: Elton John is a lord, too, right?
mircea_popescu: yeah, the right honorable sir elton john of butts.
mircea_popescu: ahahhah if this style becomes a thing where one's known as Chris, Lord Mthreat or Juraj, Lord Jurov it'll be the lol of all time.
mircea_popescu: the lorld of all time
mthreat: the hardest street names to pronounce in Buenos Aires are the English ones, because they pronounce them as if they were spanish
mircea_popescu: i could not get someone to take me to thames st.
mthreat: "Thames" is "Tah-mez"
mthreat: I' not even sure what "loyola" will be
mircea_popescu: loyola is spanish.
mthreat: "loshola"
mthreat: ya i guess it is
mircea_popescu: problem is they think spanish is "casteshan" over here, and they speak spanish
mthreat: there's a "Loyola Lane" in Austi
mircea_popescu: except they speak kurdish.
mircea_popescu: and i'll be drawn and quartered before i say lavalle like it was la vache.
mircea_popescu: fucking insulting to the poor man's memory.
mircea_popescu: (but if you want lulz at a party, ask local girl to say "lavalle qui rit")
mthreat: BRK breaks $200k
nkuttler: lulz
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $500 before October :: 14.06 B (85%) on Yes, 2.47 B (15%) on No | closing in 1 month 1 week| weight: 71`620 (100`000 to 5`000)
assbot: Bitstamp BTC/USD Charts - BitcoinWisdom
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 510.39, Best ask: 513.92, Bid-ask spread: 3.53000, Last trade: 513.92, 24 hour volume: 25563.58509467, 24 hour low: 497.0, 24 hour high: 551.86, 24 hour vwap: 516.653330765
pete_dushenski: mmm spread...
BingoBoingo: !up thestringpuller
BingoBoingo: !up godovo
mircea_popescu: !up werds
BingoBoingo: !up thestringpuller
mircea_popescu: !up copain_reac
Namworld: That blog looks like the onion. Not visually I mean.
Namworld: lol at related amazon wares
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i am interviewing an assistant. part of the requiremenets are for her to get in wot. if you still need "office-esque" stuff done, she will be in channel in the future
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.02523161 = 0.5046 BTC [-]
godovo: quick question - just how large are the "large early holdings"? except for the satoshi's
godovo: not letting usg "get in" for cheap is directly related to the size of the early holdings
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller not bad!
mircea_popescu: Namworld which ?
pete_dushenski: "Australian law firm Clayton Utz has developed a smartphone app for companies facing dawn raids on their offices from police, antitrust and securities regulators, and tax officers."
pete_dushenski: "The Clayton Utz app allows in-house lawyers to choose which regulator is raiding their offices and guides them through how they need to act. It’s designed to be used even if regulators shut down an internal computer system."
mircea_popescu: godovo bout 5mn give or take.
godovo: are they "all or nothing"?
mircea_popescu: plus minus four or so. yes, that'd be the idea.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: footnote ii "What are you waifing for ?" << waiting?
mircea_popescu: ;;google waif
gribble: Home - WAIF, Whidbey Animals' Improvement Foundation - WAIF ...: <>; Waif - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; WAIF 88.3 FM CINCINNATI: The Way Radio Was Meant To Be: <>
mircea_popescu: !up starsocceraway
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski it's supposed to be a play on words.
pete_dushenski: ;;ud waif
gribble: | Apple touch icon Download the Free App! 1. waif. a very skinny person, especially woman. 1) supermodel kate moss 2)check out that waif-like indie chick .
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: lol aite i can dig it
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $500 before October :: 14.06 B (85%) on Yes, 2.47 B (15%) on No | closing in 1 month 1 week| weight: 71`566 (100`000 to 5`000)
pete_dushenski: "Why would you bet on no 3 separate times after the bet was satisfied yes?" << i wonder the same thing
mircea_popescu: makes 3 of us.
pete_dushenski: something smells fishy
kakobrekla: gj not reusing the addy.
assbot: The Bitcoin Dumping Charade | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
pete_dushenski: basically, this is the usg's attempt to "kill" bitcoin
pete_dushenski: they've no other avenue
pete_dushenski: regulation ain't gonna cut the mustard, so why not print their way out like they always do?
pete_dushenski: this will end predictably
assbot: godovo +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
kakobrekla: !up godovo
pete_dushenski: but not before we all write a few more articles, sweat a few more bullets, and watch as the salvos wizz by
godovo: ye I did
pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: lol those bitbet trolls.
godovo: so can't this be considered a pathetic attempt?
pete_dushenski: depends where your own personal bar for pathetic lies, i suppose
godovo: I mean, they know the early holdings are there and not going anywhere
pete_dushenski: they might, but again, they have no choice but to do what they're doing
pete_dushenski: at least they don't think so
cazalla: pete_dushenski, why be bitcent racist, i only bet bitcents :\
ben_vulpes: the best part of python is the "if this blows up"-driven control flow.
pete_dushenski: godovo they could also voluntarily submit, of course
pete_dushenski: but that would be rather out of sorts for a nation who imagines themselves the most powerful and important in the world
pete_dushenski: cazalla: i guess it's more than most people wager
godovo: what happens if they succeed to kill it's "mass appeal" tho? be it via insane price swings (the volatility argument), or by having big, known "holders" dumping big time?
justusranvier: godovo: Mass appeal doesn't matter.
godovo: the large early holdings will not move, yes, but at the same "redditors" will be hesitant to buy in
justusranvier: redditors don't matter
godovo: justusranvier: is it so?
justusranvier: Bitcoin doesn't need to do anything but continue to exist in order to win.
justusranvier: The central bank-issued currencies of the world are committing coordinated suicide.
godovo: I thought the current market price is the reflection of exactly that
godovo: it will certainly exist, but at what market cap?
BingoBoingo: The current market shit seems to be an effort to make "paper" BTC a thing like it was at Gox, and well, cycles repeat themselves
justusranvier: Do you have ADD or something? Zoom out, switch to a log scale, and be patient.
pete_dushenski: "Japan GDP Plunges 6.8%, Consumption Down 19.2%, Private Investment Down 9.7%"
justusranvier: It took almost 2 years to recover from the 2011 Goxxing, and the decline was far more severe than this selloff.
justusranvier: BingoBoingo: No matter how often you tell people they don't actually own Bitcoins if somebody else controls the private keys, they don't seem to listen.
pete_dushenski: justusranvier: well this one isn't done yet
justusranvier: pete_dushenski: Right, and it hasn't even been a year yet. Too soon to start panicking.
godovo: justusranvier: I'm not yield hungry - it's just that I don't understand what is happening. are they trying to kill it, or jump the train?
justusranvier: There might not be a unified "they" all acting with a single purpose
TheNewDeal: hey that was my comment
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: for people who're used to keeping hundreds of thousands of dollars at the broker and uncomfortable with their own computer security it's a not unreasonable position.
TheNewDeal: 15gkx is definitely a bot
ben_vulpes: doesn't mean it's not going to fuck them.
ben_vulpes: ;;8ball write another python script or catch up on logs?
gribble: Naturally.
ben_vulpes: okay that's my fault.
ben_vulpes: ;;8ball get another beer?
gribble: The outlook is hazy, please ask again later.
ben_vulpes: i'll take that as a yes
ben_vulpes: ;;8ball read logs?
gribble: The answer is a resounding no.
TheNewDeal: hahaha
justusranvier: THe medium term solution to possible price manipulation is to get the bitcoins off the exchanges and web wallets
mircea_popescu: godovo> so can't this be considered a pathetic attempt?
mircea_popescu: pathetic or valiant, depends where you sleep.
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> cazalla: i guess it's more than most people wager << actually average is like 1btc
BingoBoingo: And how soundly one sleeps.
mircea_popescu: <godovo> what happens if they succeed to kill it's "mass appeal" tho? be it via insane price swings (the volatility argument), or by having big, known "holders" dumping big time? << bitcoin does not, never had and never will have mass apeal.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is the anti-mass.
asciilifeform even thinks that the remaining 'mass appeal' must go away entirely - before anything like stability happens
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i was more comparing cazalla to people with no bitcoin lol
mircea_popescu: in richard's words, "there's a mass that follows me because it follows anything that moves."
godovo: but your whole world domination thing is centered around it gaining huge value and the fiats dying off - how can it happen without the mass appeal?
mircea_popescu: the bar for the mass temporarily thinking something appeals is incredibly low. take nikki minaj.
mircea_popescu: godovo by it gaining elite appeal.
mircea_popescu: not with the elites that were, mind you, the circular "elite because elite because elite"
mircea_popescu: but with the elites that will be.
assbot: Bitcoin Charts / Charts
assbot: Bitcoin Charts / Charts
kakobrekla: ;;google endoftheworld.swf
gribble: End of the World. Flash Animation: <>; endofworld.swf - End of the World: <>; End Of Ze World - YouTube: <>
asciilifeform: (hypothesis, straight from My Arse (TM) : usg 'spent' S SR coins to buy kS 'clean' coin, for some positive k > 1. these were dripped into 'eth' and are now being dumped.)
asciilifeform vacuums keyboard
justusranvier: godovo: When the masses in the G7 countries experience a level of adversity compared to that of, for example, Argentina you won't need to explain to them why Bitcoin is important any more.
TheNewDeal: what's with all the usg hypothesis?
TheNewDeal: why can these be regular derps?
TheNewDeal: cant*
justusranvier: In general the people who you think about when you consider mass appeal will be the last ones to get into Bitcoin
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: regular derps presumably got vacuumed a year or two ago
mircea_popescu: justusranvier you know contrary to what you may think people here are actually not feeling any adversity.
mircea_popescu: here's an example : my buenos aires fanta screwdriver.
TheNewDeal: hmph. I'm a regular derp and I'm just beginning
justusranvier: mircea_popescu: Where is "here?"
ben_vulpes: fanta screwdriver?
ben_vulpes: soda and vodka?
mircea_popescu: 6 kgs fresh oranges (35 pesos) -> 1.5liters juice ; 1.5l mineral water (15 pesos) ; fine local cognac, 700ml (80 pesos).
TheNewDeal: today marks a glorius occasion, which is one to get in below my cost average
ben_vulpes: in college i used to get the girlies pants off with cheap red wine and fanta.
mircea_popescu: 120 peso = 10 dollars for... just about four liters.
mircea_popescu: aka a galon.
mircea_popescu: justusranvier argentina. i moved here, didn't you know ?
kakobrekla: 6 kgs fresh oranges (35 pesos) -> 1.5liters juice ; 1.5l mineral water (15 pesos) ; fine local cognac, 700ml (80 pesos) ; holes in the wall (unfixable)
justusranvier: I did not.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i could fix em for about half what it costs in eeurope. thing is... why bother ?
mircea_popescu: air is sweet.
mircea_popescu: i tell you, "buenos aires" is no fucking joke. air is actually sweet.
justusranvier: But for sure, the people who've lived there a while have gone through adversity. They've had a currency crash every decade or so.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: We'd get punchbowls, a handle of gin, and mix with Orange Juice and Rainbow Sherbet
mircea_popescu: justusranvier yes, but adversity on their own scale.
justusranvier: Because they've experienced it, they know how to adapt.
mircea_popescu: by this scale, a week in new york is a week in hell, the circle of horn rape
justusranvier: I've heard that in general people there are a lot less squeemish about routing around bad government policy via black markets.
mircea_popescu: quite. i've yet to actually do anything taxable.
mircea_popescu: i pay in cash, get the vat back as a kickback, it's wunderbar.
assbot: godovo +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
BingoBoingo: !up godovo
ben_vulpes: !up godovo
assbot: Understanding Argentinas Coming Default, For Real This Time pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
godovo: why did you move there, mircea_popescu? why argentina?
justusranvier: Sounds like an ideal place for Bitcoin adoption
godovo: or a window into how west will look like (financially) in a few years?
justusranvier: mircea_popescu: The Warlord is a rather obscure movie. I'm surprised to see that reference.
mircea_popescu: good movie.
mircea_popescu: godovo seems like a good place.
asciilifeform: if the cognac is ~10 usd (0.12 usd / peso at today's official rate), the 700 mL is ~14 usd / liter. --> about what rotgut costs in wash. dc.
godovo: Timisoara is a good place, too
godovo: is it for the long-term, the move? I thought you were just traveling
justusranvier: Funny thing about The Warlord is the younger brother is made out to be a villian and Charleton Heston made out to be heroic, however the younger brother is right every step of the way.
justusranvier: Had he just listened, the entire movie would have been moot
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is really good stuff tho.
asciilifeform believes
mircea_popescu: ;;google reserva san juan extra anejo
gribble: Queso Azul, Nueces, & Coñac – Blue Cheese, Nuts, & Brandy (or ...: <>; The Tequila Superstore - Old Town Liquor | Order Tequila & Wine ...: <>; Old Town Liquor - The Tequila Superstore - Liquor Store | Facebook: <>
asciilifeform did the arithmetic because believed
mircea_popescu: justusranvier he's right "the wrong way" tho.
mircea_popescu: he's not a knight, he's a rogue.
justusranvier: Regardless.
mircea_popescu: the same thing happens in science all the time
justusranvier: The love interest gets married to a guy who she grew up with in the same house. Warlord refuses to allow the marriage on the grounds of incest. Problem averted.
mircea_popescu: people who are fundamentally right get misrepresented as being utterly wrong because science progresses generally within a paradigm
mircea_popescu: shifts are rare.
mircea_popescu: justusranvier nah. 1) it wasn't incest by the legal definition they were using ; 2) warlord is no cleric.
asciilifeform: do people not read tom kuhn any more ?
justusranvier: Still, they needed his permission to get married. Means he could have denied it and saved a lot of death and property destruction.
asciilifeform tried to find this film, or some discussion thereof - where is it ?
mircea_popescu: justusranvier well the problem is... he couldn't have. this is like saying "usg could have fixed btc in 2010, saved a lot of 2014-16 headaches"
mircea_popescu: no... they couldn't have.
mircea_popescu: ;;google imdb the warlord charlton heston
gribble: The War Lord (1965) - IMDb: <>; The War Lord Reviews & Ratings - IMDb: <>; The War Lord (1965) - Full Cast & Crew - IMDb: <>
mircea_popescu: that thing
justusranvier: It's a story about how sitting on the fence is the worst possible outcome.
justusranvier: Had the protagonist had simply been ruthless and calculating about getting what he wanted, he could have done so without provoking a revolt. If he had decided to do the right thing, he'd have kept it in his pants and avoided the entire crisis.
justusranvier: By trying to do both, he lost everything.
justusranvier: Moral of the story: If you're going to be a good person or an evil person, at least put in some reasonable effortwhichever option you choose.
mircea_popescu: human condition yo.
mircea_popescu: had you known which is evil and which is good, you could have saved a lot of headache.
decimation: like the non-criminals who failed to murder hitler before he became Hitler
justusranvier: Well "good" would be, "don't be a warlord". Since he'd already decided to adopt the "might makes right" standard of ethics by being in that profession, he would have been better off staying consistent.
Mexual: hola
BingoBoingo: Hello Mexual?
mircea_popescu: the norman period warlord is not exactly a might makes right stand.
mircea_popescu: it's more like a reverberation of the constantine emperors "holy host" approach to battle.
mircea_popescu: ie, in being blessed by christ he will always be mighty enough.
justusranvier: so you're saying they also incorporated superstition and psyops into their arsenal besides brute force
BingoBoingo: Psyops is old homie
decimation: re: warlord being consistent asshole (linked from a moldbug post):
assbot: Shogun 1980 - Beach Scene - Instant Punishment - YouTube
decimation: !up stormlight
decimation: !up starsoccer
mircea_popescu: justusranvier self-psyops ?
decimation: from that eth blog announcement (I'm reading pete's blog): " The remaining 1500 BTC will be sent to a wallet controlled by ??V, our development arm, and will be used to establish our sites in Berlin and Amsterdam and begin hiring developers;"
decimation: 1500 BTC ain't going to go very far in Berlin or Amsterdam
decimation: that's like maybe 3 man-years of competent help?
TheNewDeal: that's a pretty hefty salary...
decimation: well, okay, you could hire 50 peons
decimation: lol "and among the expenses the largest is legal at $296,000" << every scam has a scam-lawyer
TheNewDeal: I would say 200 BTC / year would attract some competance
decimation: in Berlin?
TheNewDeal: I would assume so
decimation: is there someone here from the UK that can explain why there is such hatred for Poles there?
nkuttler: poles are awesome, and brits are envious
decimation: like, why would you be sad if you were overrun with hard-working white people? Your daughters might marry them and have white babies?
decimation: I'm being sarcastic
nkuttler: and i thought you were being racist
decimation: I guess it depends what you mean by the word "racist"
nkuttler: white babies sounds white powerish to me
nkuttler: but then, almost everybody here is "white" anyway, so what do i know..
decimation: I suspect the median white father would desire to have a white grandchild, does that make him racist?
nkuttler: no idea, you'd have to make a poll with white grandfathers
trixisowned: is there a way to decrypt a signature without the message that generated it?
trixisowned: eg if you only had GzNYSvXCmHcyUXifOjZ+J4cAc3P2WuywdbgfNspe2vw14+CCd4SC1gs6z8TmduovwyN0Zuh6lHT0dwUofNgX8hM=
trixisowned: could you get what that said
nkuttler: looks invalid
Mexual: lol
decimation: trixisowned: probably not, but you have left out many details
trixisowned: nkuttler, thats one directly generated from the bitcoin qt client
trixisowned: so, its not~
trixisowned: was just curious what mark was doing here
nkuttler: ah yes, bug-free software exists
trixisowned: they clearly say something
trixisowned: he deleted the tweets
trixisowned: after he posted them
trixisowned: AkHf/St2Y68RiadVqkGhIyTE+og7xQctpJwi56WiHR68dXyG3Wi5NXvGLEsOSyT7aLHAHynhJLExWly9qYKLbKM=
trixisowned: AhvXyxUHl2D1hiwXKOKeuHRYEL1Nsmp9QYS08c0Emdub+A/G5rFstLg1THv+gzpNWTbqdKOyA8PrVCQ9KdBJLFs=
kakobrekla: just some private keys or whatever
mircea_popescu: <nkuttler> poles are awesome, and brits are envious << penis envy basically
mircea_popescu: <decimation> I suspect the median white father would desire to have a white grandchild, does that make him racist? <<< this is very us/midwestern. i don't think a majority of europeans identify in those terms or specifically care.
mircea_popescu: telling the mobster guy that "moors are niggers" and they did so much fucking with sicillian women they "changed the bloodline forever" bothers the dude mostly cause he's murican.
nkuttler: mircea_popescu: are you polish? ;)
mircea_popescu: trixisowned you can trivially obtain the message from the signature : create all the combinations of letters and test.
nkuttler: yeah, i was replying in the wrong window...
decimation: the second string is not valid base64
mircea_popescu: if you're lucky and he uses the smallcaps convention, it's something like 30 ^ length.
Mexual: prolly french
nkuttler: that doesn't seem appropriate
Mexual: eye carumba
decimation: mircea_popescu: while the european grandfather might 'not care', do you think he would prefer that the UK would be overrun by say, turks? or west african arabs?
assbot: Big labia appreciation location...
mircea_popescu: decimation the problem in the proposition is the overrun part, not the ethnicity part.
mircea_popescu: he wouldn't want the uk to be overrun by manchester dweebs either.
mircea_popescu: not that it isn't, but anyway.
Mexual: when they finnaly get off welfare and into a low paid job, they find poles doing it better, and feel dejected
decimation: that's a good point. yeah, my impression of the modern uk is pretty which trash
TheNewDeal: cazalla wow thems some lips
decimation: s/which trash/white trash/
TheNewDeal: you are quick with the draw
mircea_popescu: decimation that may also have a lot to do with you decoding difference as "white trash". just because the lassies drink themselves blind each weekend doesn't mean they ain't got class, in the uk sense of that term :D
decimation: heh yeah the 'world stereotype' of the average uk subject being a druken lout seems pretty accurate
decimation: I guess things haven't changed too much, in the past the nobility would gather in country homes and drink themselves silly while shooting various animals
mircea_popescu: well so there you go. west african arabs don't drink, at least.
Mexual: they couldn't be understood slurring
mircea_popescu: "gather in country homes and drink themselves silly while shooting various animals" >> at least according to python.
assbot: Monty Python-Woody & Tinny Words - YouTube
Mexual: "tally ho" only sounds better after 25 gins
Mexual: what is doctor forehead phd in feels and karate doing these days?
mircea_popescu: you know i have no idea.
mircea_popescu: free consultancy on forums ?
Mexual: i could guess
Mexual: closing his latest fund due to bitcoin stuff, then starting another
BingoBoingo: !up Guest44884
asciilifeform: lol, poles in uk ?
TheNewDeal: what in the fuck did I just watch
assbot: 'We're overrun': Brits fear immigrants more than any other European nation, poll reveals | Mail Online
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 169319.11 in 1980 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -90.98
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.09 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 1800.83 GH/s
decimation: "Nevertheless, almost half of British respondents (46 per cent), hit with a wave of so-called 'Polish plumbers' taking advantage of European Union mobility rules, said the numbers of immigrants coming into the UK were 'excessive'. "
mircea_popescu: decimation you know the daily mail may not be the best source of porn. let alone anything else.
assbot: Oriental Industry claims the most realistic sex dolls to date | Mail Online
decimation: lol yeah but ascii seemed to want a source
decimation: where else are you going to find a source on what the average manchester resident thinks?
TheNewDeal: in reply to the monty python skit
assbot: Robin Williams Golf - YouTube
asciilifeform: the 'poles in uk' is smoke to cover for the very real 'londonabad' phenomenon.
decimation: yeah that seems to be a bigger issue to me too
decimation: tooting is pretty much 100% paki
asciilifeform: ;;ud tooting
gribble: | A place in south-west London, do not visit tooting unless u want 2 be mugged, stabbed or shot in the head! A ruff place wher de evil and most gangsta of the ...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform league of blood trial in japan
Mexual: oriental manufaturers make sex dolls so good, they're ninjas
mircea_popescu: an oriental manufacturers sex doll killed me auntie.
asciilifeform: what's the significance of the hoods ?
asciilifeform: afaik these weren't a thing pre-meiji
mircea_popescu: privacy protection
[]bot: Bet placed: 4.5 BTC for No on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) Jan 2015 over $200 at any point in 2014" Odds: 20(Y):80(N) by coin, 28(Y):72(N) by weight. Total bet: 25.75194745 BTC. Current weight: 43,155.
mircea_popescu: Boy: wanna cum my yard? Girl: Wher u live? Boy: Tooting. Girl: Hell no i aint going there homie i dnt wanna be killed!!! << wtf ud so gangsta nao ?
decimation: privacy for the doll?
cazalla: perhaps that explains recent influx of brits to australia
Mexual: recent?
cazalla: Mexual, the ones in more recent years
cazalla: a lot of brits and irish knock on my door trying to scam me into switching electricity/gas provider
Mexual: lol
Mexual: $20 bux/hr is better than 2 and sixpence
cazalla: being the child of immigrants doesn't stop me telling them to get the fuck off my door step and go back to england, get your gas for IRA plots elsewhere
Mexual: i had one try to sell me foxtel
decimation: After the uprising of the 17th June
decimation: The Secretary of the Writers Union
decimation: Had leaflets distributed in the Stalinallee
decimation: Stating that the people
cazalla: oh yeah, that too Mexual
decimation: Had forfeited the confidence of the government
decimation: And could win it back only
decimation: By redoubled efforts. Would it not be easier
decimation: In that case for the government
decimation: To dissolve the people
Mexual: i spent an hour explaining why i dn't own a television
decimation: And elect another?"
decimation: Mexual: do you have to pay a TV license like in the UK
Mexual: ive no idea
cazalla: decimation, we don't
decimation: who pays for the ABC?
cazalla: tax payer, i am corrected
decimation: cazalla: Australia is pretty serious about turning away immigrants it seems, wouldn't surprise me if some Brits were attracted to that
danielpbarron: trixisowned, are you @0xabad1dea on twitter or did you just find that image from her feed?
cazalla: decimation, not really, we've been playing spot the aussie since i was a kid
decimation: 'spot the aussie'?
trixisowned: nah i found it
trixisowned: on her feed
trixisowned: danielpbarron,
cazalla: ;;ud spot the aussie
gribble: | ... arabs or africans etc at the function, even though they are in australia. I'd never set foot in Footscray any more, its spot the aussie there. by *Luke February 01, ...
Mexual: are you greek heritage caz?
decimation: I had a friend (white girl with Australian father) who wen to Australia, and found a great deal of "anti-American" sentiment once people heard her accent
cazalla: Mexual, german
cazalla: decimation, we don't like seppos either :P
Mexual: touche
decimation: ;;ud seppos
gribble: | Derogertory word used by the English and Australians for all American nationals. Derived from Rhyming slang (Septic Tank = Yank). Will those stupid seppos ...
decimation: lol hadn't heard that one before
Mexual: we're the only ones allowed to be loud and obnoxios on this island mate
Mexual: ive never really ever been anywhere quite as multicultural as australia
TheNewDeal: the land down under?
TheNewDeal: where women glow and men plunder?
Mexual: indeed
TheNewDeal: kept on hearing that song while I was working the last couple weeks. looked up all the slang and found a new word for cannabis. Made my day
Mexual: whats that?
TheNewDeal: zombie
Mexual: ahh
Mexual: i know the lyric, i thought it was just a concept
Mexual: ill have to scrape erowid again
TheNewDeal: I hadnt the slightest clue. always end up looking for lyrics on songmeanings
assbot: Men At Work - Down Under Lyrics | SongMeanings
TheNewDeal: top comment " LOL, as a qualified Australian, let me translate this one:
TheNewDeal: - A VW Kombi van is the Australian poor man's road trip vehicle of choice. "Fried out" means that it's in really poor condition and overheating"
TheNewDeal: are australians really anti-usian? I've heard of folks traveling there with quite good reviews
Mexual: anti asian? hell no
TheNewDeal: unitedstatesian
decimation: TheNewDeal: to be clear, my friend was trying to reside there and get a job, not tour a beach or whatever
TheNewDeal: ahhh gotcha
TheNewDeal: we typically pronounce it JERB
BingoBoingo: ;;google took our jerbs
gribble: Southpark - They Took Our Job! - YouTube: <>; Goobacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; They Took Our Jobs! | Know Your Meme: <>
cazalla: TheNewDeal, it depends where you go, up north, you'll find a lot of support for them but down my way in Melbourne, there is a lot of anti american , pro refugee, pro welfare type shit going on
Mexual: nah you'll be right, just change your green back for real dollars before you land
TheNewDeal: bitcoins?
Mexual: sure
Mexual: just remember the place is still full of convicts
cazalla: worst thing to happen if you're ID as american is you would have shit hung on you
TheNewDeal: bingoboingo thank you very much for that
assbot: Hangout with Anthony Di Iorio of Ethereum, and Daniel Larimer of BitShares, with Special presente... - YouTube
cazalla: oh ty pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: your lulz for the evening
Mexual: 3 man years should see ethereum to cumputational autonomy no?
TheNewDeal: is this really live?
cazalla: who's speaking in this video atm?
pete_dushenski: TheNewDeal: afaik
pete_dushenski: cazalla: a dude with an accent?
TheNewDeal: decentralization is such a gimmicky word nowadays
TheNewDeal: just playing off bitcoinpetes article
cazalla: he sounds australian and if i'm right, it's the real estate hustler turned bitcoin hustlerJamie McIntyre
pete_dushenski: TheNewDeal: it's pete_dushenski now ;)
TheNewDeal: I only listen to blargs
TheNewDeal: were you the one who bought bitbet timeweight from me?
pete_dushenski: lol yup bitcoinpete --> pete_dushenski
TheNewDeal: niiice. I'm going to have some great deals in the upcoming months
TheNewDeal: keep your bitcoins open
Mexual: why is it some crosseyed fool instead of the speaker?
decimation: re: bitshares : I find it amusing that in order to be pretend to be "credible" one must have all sorts of bezzle-corporate logos pasted on their website
Mexual: whos running the hangout?
Mexual: electricity cost
pete_dushenski: Mexual: nfi
Mexual: :)
justusranvier: All these projects seeking to build finanical instrument platforms, and also tie their platforms to useless altcoins?
justusranvier: What happenes when somebody produces a platform just as useful, but without the need for an appcoin?
TheNewDeal: gonna go get some food
danielpbarron: lol cazalla
justusranvier: At least there's Open-Transactions, which isn't falling for the appcoin scam
cazalla: the guy Max Wright, looks like a MLM clickbank type scammer
danielpbarron: all this futuristic live video chat stuff and irc is still the best way to get stuff done
decimation: yeah who wants to sit and watch some derp mumble into his laptop for an hour
danielpbarron gags on the pretentiousness
Mexual: i want the nazi with the dogeshirt fullscreen
Mexual: this other guy is sitting too close
danielpbarron: lol, my question got removed instantly
danielpbarron: i tried to be as polite as i possibly could be
cazalla: i still see it
danielpbarron: oh cool
danielpbarron: oh i see it now; this interface is confusing
Mexual: how do you comment? does one need a google account?
cazalla: danielpbarron, i don't use g+ so don't be offended that i don't follow back
danielpbarron: i don't use it either; none taken
danielpbarron: if i understand this correctly, our questions are tied for #1
cazalla: yes
danielpbarron: "Who do you think has a stranger shaped head, Marc Andreessen or Vitalek?"
cazalla: i wonder if they are displayed on the big screen bottom right
Mexual: crosseyed is
decimation: yeah I just opened it and cazella and danielpbarron's questions are the top two
cazalla: if bitcoin = bad, ether = good, why would they sell ether for bitcoin?
decimation: ask on the chat
Mexual: maybe hey can make a better google hangout
kakobrekla: cazalla its supposedly bitcoin 2.0 or like web was.
Mexual: .bait
Mexual: nope, regress to progress
decimation: I think the bitcoin sale was a "hook", (con-man style) to cover the coin with a whiff of bitcoin's legitimacy.
cazalla: danielpbarron, top lulz
decimation: nice cazalla your question is #2
Mexual: ask how long til it goes full skynet
Mexual: objects in the mirror appear closer
Mexual: whats new mr regret?
assbot: Damian Marley - Welcome To Jamrock - YouTube
Mexual: !up mike_c_minus_key
Mexual: authenticate
mike_c_minus_key: i'm out of town. just don't believe anything i say
kakobrekla: so you are at home?
Mexual: thatll do
mike_c_minus_key: heh, yeah.
mike_c_minus_key: this you can believe: 5 hours on a plane with a toddler is 4.5 hours too many.
Mexual: where you at?
mike_c_minus_key: sunny portland oregon.
Mexual: gonna habe a beer with ben10?
mike_c_minus_key: are there assetters around here? ben_vulpes, you in portland?
Mexual: head north from toddler
Mexual: drink 2 beers, put unconcious ben in taxi and return
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( )
Mexual: just go to his office, if hes not there take a girl to the bar
mike_c_minus_key: i thought he worked out of coffee shops
Mexual: its a rouge
danielpbarron: wtf, i just gave him like 100 bucks
danielpbarron: that's not enough to serve some php to a few dozen users?
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