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kakobrekla: you make the form on the post ill make assbot post to the form
mircea_popescu: ima be stuck here having it all reimplemented ?
Jason: kakobrekla: sure
Jason: kakobrekla: easy enough
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> kakobrekla you know if that thing's not on github and you start doing speedballs or busgee jumping or w/e << What will lampelina allow?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00074748 = 5.4566 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 34 @ 0.01479022 = 0.5029 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla: like she has a say re speedballs.
mircea_popescu: his balls are speedy regardless :D
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3XHYG64.txt )
Jason: mircea_popescu: how can I check if someone's in assbot's l2 wot? it doesn't look like b-otc.com has a method of doing this, and keeping/syncing a local db is silly
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo maybe she finds him in bed with like two goats and a snail gets angry and buries an axe into his skull
mircea_popescu: Jason that's actually a good q. kakobrekla how does assbot do it ?
mircea_popescu: Jason one direct way would be to take the sig in question and check if there's an assbot rating on it.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: How do you know that would trigger jealousy and not arousal?
kakobrekla: i do it by asking gribble
mircea_popescu: how do you ask by gpg key ?
mircea_popescu: ;;ident EE6880F512F5590F
gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
Jason: no
kakobrekla: dunno if you can even
Jason: ;;list gpg
gribble: auth, bcauth, bcregister, bcverify, changeaddress, changekey, eauth, echangekey, eregister, everify, ident, info, register, stats, unauth, and verify
Jason: ;;gpg info EE6880F512F5590F
gribble: No such user registered.
mircea_popescu: holy shit.
mircea_popescu: ;;info EE6880F512F5590F
gribble: Error: The command "info" is available in the Factoids, GPG, MessageParser, and RSS plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "info".
Jason: hm
gribble: I have 25 registered users with 34 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins.
Jason: i don't think you can even do that
mircea_popescu: nanotube hey listen, is there some way for gribble or http://bitcoin-otc.com to be queried by gpg signature rather than nick ?
assbot: #bitcoin-otc
kakobrekla: ;;gettrust assbot kakobrekla
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user kakobrekla: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 17 via 17 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=kakobrekla | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=kakobrekla | Rated since: Fri May 13 18:50:53 2011
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i suppose if worst comes to worst assbot can offer this as a function ? seeing how it already knows anyway ?
mircea_popescu: ;;isl2 EE6880F512F5590F
gribble: Error: "isl2" is not a valid command.
kakobrekla: i guess so
Jason: ;;list
gribble: Admin, Alias, Anonymous, AutoMode, BadWords, BitcoinData, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Conditional, Config, Debug, Dict, Dunno, Factoids, Filter, Format, GPG, Games, Gatekeeper, Google, Herald, Internet, Later, Market, Math, MessageParser, Misc, Network, OTCOrderBook, Owner, Plugin, RSS, RatingSystem, Reply, Scheduler, Seen, Services, Status, String, Time, Topic, URL, Unix, User, (1 more message)
Jason: ;;more
gribble: Utilities, and Web
Jason: ;;list RatingSystem
gribble: deleteuser, getrating, gettrust, rate, rated, and unrate
Jason: no idea
assbot: Index of /
Jason: yea
Jason: i'm just going to need to use the db
Jason: w/e
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ya srsly.
thestringpuller: Is there a raw db for WoT?
assbot: wot
Jason: 04:11:48 <+thestringpuller> Is there a raw db for WoT?
Jason: yes
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller yah
Jason: thestringpuller: i'm going to be using the db
Jason: that's how i'm going to do it
thestringpuller: where is the db?
thestringpuller: or access to it
assbot: Index of /bitcoinmirror/otc/today
thestringpuller: I'm trying to make a visualizer for the WoT for fun to get my d3 skills better
thestringpuller: Fuck yea
thestringpuller: thanks Jason
Jason: <3
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller that's a great idea.
Jason: yah
mircea_popescu: !s from:nanotube download
thestringpuller: I pinged nanotube awhile ago in otc but I guess I should have asked here first for the db
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7079 @ 0.00075038 = 5.3119 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: !up RagnarsBitch
mircea_popescu: Jason : http://bitcoin-otc.com/otc/ straight from horse's mouth
assbot: Index of /otc
thestringpuller: hmm anyway to import db into postgres?
mircea_popescu: psql databasename < data_base_dump ?
thestringpuller: i thought .db's were in berkeleydb format
thestringpuller: (liket eh blockchain)
thestringpuller: i guess you can open in sqlite and do a sql dump
mircea_popescu: anyway, good wot visualisation tools, especially assbot centric, are a good thing.
assbot: Four Ways to Slice Obamas 2013 Budget Proposal - Interactive Feature - NYTimes.com
peterl: which is better, DSA or RSA key?
Jason: well
Jason: lol
assbot: security - What is better for GPG keys - RSA or DSA? - Super User
Jason: peterl: tl;dr: i'd pick rsa. dsa has some hash weaknesses.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7118 @ 0.00074673 = 5.3152 BTC [-] {2}
peterl: ok, thanks
[]bot: Bet created: "Winklevoss BTC ETF will trade on Nasdaq this year" http://bitbet.us/bet/1018/
TheNewDeal: ok thats kinda misleading
TheNewDeal: an official announcement of launch date will be sufficient for closure
TheNewDeal: that's not really trading
mircea_popescu: thanks for pointing out.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48400 @ 0.00074521 = 36.0682 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: everyone on like eastern time now? Where are the austrailians and azns?
assbot: Know The Enemy And Know Yourself | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
pete_dushenski: because penguirker is asleep at the wheel
pete_dushenski: ;;nethash
gribble: 172116220.504
mircea_popescu: lol why are you in such a hurry. it takes like an hour
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell mike_c hey aren't nonpareils those little candy things on cakes ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: it's been 6
mircea_popescu: wow srsly ?
pete_dushenski: ever since i moved to the new website, it's been taking fo eva
pete_dushenski: ya, last one was like 12
assbot: Assets Assimilated
mircea_popescu: ya it still sees your old one
mircea_popescu: is your rss borkt ?
pete_dushenski: hm possibly
cazalla: thestringpuller, not sure there are any other aussies besides Vexual and myself
cazalla: !s australian
cazalla: i guess there is Graet as well but he defaults on loans so.
mircea_popescu: he does ?
pete_dushenski: i thought most of the ozzies preyed on coindeskers and redditards
cazalla: according to this thread, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=218324.0 he doesn't even bother replying to them these days
assbot: [BitFunder] Graet.Loan - Paying 0.05% interest daily
mircea_popescu: teh suck
mircea_popescu: ;;rated graet
gribble: You have not yet rated user graet
mircea_popescu: so basically what happened, ukto dragged him into teh swamp or what
thestringpuller: i guess Graet and Ukyo default on loans
thestringpuller: they still in chennel though
thestringpuller: ^- cazalla
fluffypony: in Chanel?
thestringpuller: chanel no.3 ?
fluffypony: well Graet is around, idle 2 minutes 48 seconds
fluffypony: Ukyo is idle 13 hours 10 minutes
thestringpuller: !search Graet
pete_dushenski: hey fluffypony !
thestringpuller: !search from:Graet
fluffypony: maybe they've reached the IDGAF stage
fluffypony: pete_dushenski:)
cazalla: thestringpuller, bitfunder + price rise fucked him i guess
pete_dushenski: fluffypony still waiting on that latvia post… eh?
thestringpuller: last date in channel is sept 2013
thestringpuller: or last words spoken
fluffypony: pete_dushenski: I'm on it
fluffypony: it's my number 4 priority
pete_dushenski: fluffypony: that's not bad ;)
thestringpuller: fluffypony 's #1 priority is being fluffy
fluffypony: exactly, thestringpuller
mircea_popescu: cazalla used to run a decent pool maybe a year or so ago. anything come of that ?
pete_dushenski: fluffypony: so since that's never happening, our collective hopes and dreams now dashed, were you still planning to be back in europe in a few weeks?
thestringpuller: i think slush is the only mining pool that is still legit from "back in the day"
cazalla: mircea_popescu, i used it for a while until payouts slowed down and then were being claimed as paid out yet were not even unconfirmed
fluffypony: pete_dushenski: my wife's had to go back a few days ago, her grandfather is in hospital and it looks like it's "last legs" stage, so depends on what happens there
thestringpuller: damn fluffypony I'm sorry to hear that :(
mircea_popescu: ;;rate graet -1 old timer and historically reasonable, but there's ~1k in unserviced debts and some nasty allegations re weexchange floating around.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user graet has been recorded.
thestringpuller: always rough man
thestringpuller: ;;gettrust slush
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user slush: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=slush | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=slush | Rated since: Thu Nov 11 10:34:28 2010
fluffypony: yeah it's a tough one, but he is also getting on, so it's time I suppose
thestringpuller: ;;rate slush 1 used to mine with him in 2011, still running, never knew he was in WoT.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user slush has been recorded.
thestringpuller: ;;rate slush 1 used to mine in his pool in 2011, still running, never knew he was in WoT, seems legit.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user slush has changed from 1 to 1.
thestringpuller: "it's time" yea. :'(
thestringpuller: always in good spirits mr. fluffypony
mircea_popescu: ;;rated slush
gribble: You have not yet rated user slush
fluffypony: I'm just pragmatic :-P
mircea_popescu: no way i haven't ?!
mircea_popescu: i rated him back in 2012, when the linode hack made bitcoinica go belly up and he was also affected
mircea_popescu: but he covered out of pocket.
mircea_popescu: wtf is this.
pete_dushenski: thanks penguirker !
pete_dushenski: deleted spaces in functions.php and voila!
pete_dushenski: well fluffypony should you be in the baltic area towards the end of the month, you'll know who to call for lunch :)
fluffypony: !up RagnarDanneskjol
fluffypony: pete_dushenski: deal
assbot: Autonomous Scientifically Controlled Screening Systems for Detecting Information Purposely Concealed by Individuals by Nathan Twyman, Paul Benjamin Lowry, Judee K. Burgoon, Jay F. Nunamaker :: SSRN
pete_dushenski: sounds exactly like asciilifeform's rectothermal analysis
RagnarDanneskjol: oohh whats that
pete_dushenski: or is it rectalthermal?
thestringpuller: how long does it take for a key to register with van-ads ?
pete_dushenski: RagnarDanneskjol afaik, an idea wherein the big bad man shakes you down for your private keys no matter where you store them
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30250 @ 0.000745 = 22.5363 BTC [-]
RagnarDanneskjol: hence the rectum
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: BigBitz the only accomplishment of 1800s germany ? << lol what about brahms, mendelssohn, and co?
fluffypony: yep - or the so-called "pipe wrench attack"
fluffypony: where someone beats you with a pipe wrench till you give them your privkeys or password or whatever
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: i can't register for van the request is still going but it looks like it's gonna time out...
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: what are you advertising?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6050 @ 0.00074856 = 4.5288 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: you'll seen when I start advertising
thestringpuller: jesus too tired for this
thestringpuller: WHY IS THE REQUEST STILL SPINNING
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: fix this
cazalla: pete_dushenski, an INTP eh, i'm an INFP according to that test
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell ben_vulpes please to fix van pgp so thestringpuller can advertise his muffins
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: cazalla: a feeler eh?
cazalla: pete_dushenski, supposedly but i think it's bullshit
pete_dushenski: "INFPs are flexible and laid-back, until one of their values is violated." << lulz
cazalla: that article leads me to believe you have the secret under your pillow btw :P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32650 @ 0.000745 = 24.3243 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: the rectal probists will never look under mah pillow
pete_dushenski: "INFPs are usually talented writers." << so cazalla, where's your blog?
cazalla: i stopped when the adsense monies ceased to flow
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 169 @ 0.02523161 = 4.2641 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 169 @ 0.014791 = 2.4997 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: cazalla: then there's never been a better time to get back on the horse
pete_dushenski: van-ads is going to do for blog advertising what that bald dude did for dishsoap
pete_dushenski: or so i've been lead to believe...
cazalla: pete_dushenski, there is nothing i could write that would be of any interest to anyone here and in the past it was about quantity, quality wasn't even a consideration (until google decided it was)
kyuupichan: kakobrekla: Why have 2 new bets gone straight into closed state? Some bitbet code update bug? I assume you're aware....
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.000745 = 2.1605 BTC [-]
khersonus: mircea_popescu: indeed, and from what I can tell, you don't self censor all that much. But somehow I don't picture you as selfless.
thestringpuller: +pete_dushenski> ;;later tell ben_vulpes please to fix van pgp so thestringpuller can advertise his muffins << you're a bully
jurov: !mpif
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021697 B (Total: 474.46 B). Delta: -0.06 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021999 BTC [+]
jurov: hi all
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31500 @ 0.000745 = 23.4675 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: hi jurov
mircea_popescu: khersonus selfless ?
mircea_popescu: kyuupichan shitty bets, got past mod in training.
mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> how long does it take for a key to register with van-ads ? << from what i've seen 30 seconds
khersonus: khersonus: you mentioned self censorship works towards the interest of the individual. So, lack of self censorship should do the opposite. You don't seem to self censor much, so, you're looking out for the interests of us all?
khersonus: mircea_popescu: ^
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> mircea_popescu: BigBitz the only accomplishment of 1800s germany ? << lol what about brahms, mendelssohn, and co? << just being an asshole lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38272 @ 0.00074436 = 28.4881 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: khersonus i said it doesn't.
[]bot: Bet created: "Alibaba IPO mkt cap over $150B end of opening day" http://bitbet.us/bet/1019/
khersonus: "self censorship rarely if always works towards the interest of the individuala" maybe you meant to say "rarely if never"?
khersonus: anyway
mircea_popescu: if ever yeah
mircea_popescu: i guess i got confused.
khersonus: one of the benefits of this +v thing is that we can tell people have been auth'd, right? but you can get +v if someone else !up's you, right?
assbot: Seinfeld: Kramer - Cooking Jewish Delicacies [HQ] - YouTube
khersonus: then it's not clear if you're auth'd or not
mircea_popescu: ;;ident khersonus
gribble: Nick 'khersonus', with hostmask 'khersonus!~kher@ip-69-172-229-134.chunkhost.com', is identified as user 'khersonus', with GPG key id 06A6FE4336524BF8, key fingerprint C467B1F51C3F093E702D69AC06A6FE4336524BF8, and bitcoin address None
mircea_popescu: you can always check with gribble.
khersonus: yes, but you can't if you're looking through the logs
khersonus: but, it's a minor detail
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19550 @ 0.00074428 = 14.5507 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: khersonus: there's always http://otcdb.us.to/otc/
assbot: OTC events search
khersonus: what's the reason for mpex.co being down for so long?
khersonus: punkman: oh, cool, didn't know that existed
mircea_popescu: a woman!
khersonus: a woman!? she needs to get on it
punkman: khersonus: it's well handy, http://otcdb.us.to/otc/?*khersonus*
assbot: OTC *khersonus*
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4175 @ 0.00074856 = 3.1252 BTC [+]
punkman: mircea_popescu: what did she do, use the mop on the servers?
mircea_popescu: no but i mean what a silly question!
assbot: Tall Goddess Severa comparison - YouTube
punkman: lolshoes
[]bot: Bet created: "Bitcoin to drop under $300 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1020/
[]bot: Bet placed: 1.00089999 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $300 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1020/ Odds: 94(Y):6(N) by coin, 94(Y):6(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1009 BTC. Current weight: 99,998.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18150 @ 0.00074991 = 13.6109 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: osrsly ?
[]bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $300 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1020/ Odds: 33(Y):67(N) by coin, 33(Y):67(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.1009 BTC. Current weight: 99,993.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15592 @ 0.00075013 = 11.696 BTC [+]
assbot: How does the financial system work - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31500 @ 0.00075064 = 23.6452 BTC [+] {3}
cazalla: mircea_popescu, those guys have been around for years on au tv, pretty funny
mircea_popescu: yeah i just discovered them
mircea_popescu: but yeah, solid.
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 587.45, Best ask: 587.76, Bid-ask spread: 0.31000, Last trade: 587.45, 24 hour volume: 3329.03181055, 24 hour low: 586.0, 24 hour high: 597.0, 24 hour vwap: 0
Vexual: %nethash
Vexual: ;;nethash
gribble: 173550417.936
Vexual: looks like someones buying up surplus nuclear gigawattage
xmj: Vexual: the swiss have perfected this sport.
Vexual: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 23704564296.8 based on data since last change | 24244343363.7 based on data for last three days
xmj: buy from france germany and italy when GWh are cheap; pump up water to their reservoirs; sell water-powered "green" energy when the price is high.
Vexual: hows that xmj?
Vexual: ahhh
xmj: nuclear-fueled green energy!
xmj: Vexual: it's a very simple tempospatial arbitrage strategy. <3
Vexual: <3
Vexual: nuclear is pretty fuckin green anyway
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00074933 = 8.0178 BTC [-]
pankkake: well, ze germans replaced nuclear by… coal
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4023 @ 0.00074916 = 3.0139 BTC [-]
Vexual: really?
Vexual: why?
xmj: yes.
mircea_popescu: cause ecologist = libtard = clueless idiot ?
xmj: because Democracy.
Vexual: theres no reason they can't take their shirt off in a nuclear plant
xmj: i've spoken to Christian Lindner, three weeks before Fukushima, in some FDP event in Frankfurt.
xmj: to the question why everone else is building nukes around german boarders and we aren't he (in some convoluted answer) replied that "we couldn't get this through parliament and run through the population."
Vexual: particular about the steam
Vexual: i kinda get it
mircea_popescu: i don't think the steam stuff is even used anymore.
xmj: of course it is, most nukes runs off steam
xmj: sodium powered "fast breeders" are really really rare
Vexual: and if you're pumping seawter anyway, you can pipe some thru a membrane and get freshwater
Vexual: whats a breeder?
assbot: Breeder reactor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
xmj: As of 2006, all large-scale fast breeder reactor (FBR) power stations have been liquid metal fast breeder reactors (LMFBR) cooled by liquid sodium. These have been of one of two designs:[1]
xmj: ...
Vexual: hmm
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $300 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1020/ Odds: 25(Y):75(N) by coin, 25(Y):75(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.1109 BTC. Current weight: 99,936.
Vexual: it makes different charcoal? and everyone has one?
Vexual: !up praeconium
Vexual: hi praeconium
Vexual: noone ever learned to cut fugu with their mouth closed
cazalla: more fugu!
Vexual: :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00074916 = 5.9933 BTC [-]
Vexual: !up praeconium
Vexual: airconditioners stoves and televisions
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27176 @ 0.000751 = 20.4092 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: wyrdmantis +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
Vexual: !up wyrdmantis
wyrdmantis: thanks Vexual
Vexual: np
wyrdmantis: i'm confused. Now i need to get rated in the wot but don't know how...
Vexual: what do you have o say you odd shaped freak?
nubbins`: same old things
Vexual: not you nubs, you look normal, i was talking to the mantis
Vexual: :)
Vexual: hows business?
wyrdmantis: hey sorry :)
wyrdmantis: i'm confused, i've registered my gpg... now?
wyrdmantis: am I already in the WoT?
wyrdmantis: i'm a totally newbie :)
Vexual: what are you trying to do mantis?
wyrdmantis: i'm trying to understand how to get trust
Vexual: what u need trust for?
wyrdmantis: i don't "need"... i'm just trying to understand what all this WoT is about, to get in contact with you "strong" bitcoiners :)
wyrdmantis: what do you do with your trust Vexual?
Vexual: i ear it
Vexual: *fear
Vexual: but bitcoin is a thing, and i might need it
assbot: The 5 Ws of WoT | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
assbot: What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
wyrdmantis: so... here i could get... a loan in bitcoin for example?
wyrdmantis: yeah i've red contravex
wyrdmantis: ok, maybe i must re-read
wyrdmantis: at least now i'm registered with gribble :D
punkman: ;;gettrust assbot wyrdmantis
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask wyrdmantis!1fbdc9c3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.189.201.195. Trust relationship from user assbot to user wyrdmantis: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=wyrdmantis | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=wyrdmantis | Rated since: never
Vexual: whats the loan for?
wyrdmantis: yeah, first is to improve my rating, i'm a trader, i've got many loans on btcjam
Vexual: drop a link bitch
Vexual: vut you're talking about corruption
nubbins`: !up wyrdmantis
nubbins`: wyrdmantis: generally, asking for and receiving loans is a poor way to earn trust
wyrdmantis: corruption?
wyrdmantis: nubbins, ok
wyrdmantis: what's a better way?
nubbins`: that's fine in the fiat, aka fake bitcoin ($, €, etc), world
nubbins`: a better way to gain trust is to perform actions that cause others to trust you
nubbins`: this is an impossibly open answer, i know
nubbins`: suppose a stranger approached you on the street and asked for a loan of $20 for one week. you said sure, gave him the $20, a week later he finds you and pays you back.
nubbins`: do you trust this person now?
nubbins`: do you trust them enough to loan them another $20? $100? $1000?
wyrdmantis: yeah, i have your point
Vexual: link your btcjam thing
nubbins`: personally, i don't trust people who take loans at all
nubbins`: others may have different criteria
wyrdmantis: on btcjam it works
Vexual: its a thing
wyrdmantis: ok vexual, wait a moment
punkman: btcjam works for the people building reputation until they can walk out with a bigger loan
Vexual: yeah i wouldn't touch it with dub's dick
assbot: Business (Loan listing #18263) - BTCJam
wyrdmantis: i understand punkman, but this don't preclude honest people to do things right
wyrdmantis: I've always repaid loans
Vexual: you mine?
wyrdmantis: not directly
Vexual: pankakke, who said odd shaped freak?
punkman: wyrdmantis: sure, until cryptostocks or havelol blow up
wyrdmantis: but forget btcjam, i'm not here for it, i'm here to learn
Vexual: where are you from?
wyrdmantis: my same fears punkman... that's one the reasons i'm here
wyrdmantis: Italy
punkman: wyrdmantis: do you have some btc reserve for when that happens?
wyrdmantis: of course
wyrdmantis: but now that you tell me that...
Vexual: then give me a fuckin loan
wyrdmantis: i think i'm going to stop and change stategy
punkman: wyrdmantis: that might be prudent
wyrdmantis: how much do you need?
punkman: ;;rate wyrdmantis 1 #b-a voice
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user wyrdmantis has been recorded.
punkman: wyrdmantis: you can now /msg assbot !up
wyrdmantis: thanks punkman
wyrdmantis: i feel like a bug over the enciclopedya britannica
punkman: wyrdmantis: here's a havelock hedge btw, http://bitbet.us/bet/617/and-then-there-was-one/
assbot: BitBet - And Then There Was One :: 7.59 B (35%) on Yes, 14.04 B (65%) on No | closing in 3 months 4 days | weight: 26`406 (100`000 to 1)
wyrdmantis: i have to disconnect now... see you later . Thanks for your patience.
punkman: ;;later tell mike_c https://atc.waroflife.com/ is throwing 500 errors
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Vexual: has it got a sexy splash?
Vexual: with go fast s tripes?
Vexual: yo mr hunt, ruby brought you coffee
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31650 @ 0.00074791 = 23.6714 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: !up putler
punkman: !up Quanttek
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43400 @ 0.00075125 = 32.6043 BTC [+] {3}
Vexual: someone is really hitting swurches
Vexual: *switches
assbot: Consider this my official return to the sub :) : dogecoin
cazalla: looks like palmer came back to /r/dogecoin.. to slang that stellar i bet
Vexual: whois palmer?
pankkake: I want to sell my free stellar but most exchanges look annoying
Vexual: yo punkman, you got a mercator projection in ascii?
cazalla: Vexual, the dogecoin creator/marketer
Vexual: how does one obtain stealler?
pankkake: with a facebook account
Vexual: or coins on the real chain at some point in the future?
cazalla: don't have facebook, i was gonna use missus account but figured stellar would post shit all over her wall
Vexual: shall we do an experiemnt pankkake?
Vexual: i think bitcoin 2.0 is better served with bitcoin 1.0
pankkake: it doesn't, I used another account too
pankkake: they use it to avoid farming I guess
pankkake: but you could fool it with fake accounts with fake friends
Vexual: yes, its more an adoption technique than anything
Vexual: altcoin with X is still an altcoin
punkman: ;;google ascii worldmap
gribble: ASCII Art - Maps: <http://www.retrojunkie.com/asciiart/maps/maps.htm>; F-Secure Labs Malware World Map, ASCII Edition - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_8_tgR0Nc4>; Asciiworld.com : Maps: <http://www.asciiworld.com/-Maps-.html>
punkman: pankkake: what's the price of stellar on the exchanges?
assbot: Stellar (STR) price, charts, and info | Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations
Vexual: how much bc for a facebook?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24339 @ 0.00075165 = 18.2944 BTC [+]
pankkake: so this isn't worth it at all
punkman: vexual, facebook account costs about $0.05
Vexual: how much in stardust today?
pankkake: 5000 STR per facebook
Vexual: earnings not cost
punkman: so $24 per facebook
Vexual: fail
Vexual: one can already make a contract wit bitcoin
assbot: Ripple Stellar how did we get here? - General Discussion - XRPtalk
Vexual: asssbot ignores me?
Vexual: !up los_pantalones
Vexual: nubs
Vexual: !up nubbins`
Vexual: zing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00075168 = 11.2 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: got one for you too
nubbins`: ;;google mommy and me are animals
gribble: Mommy & Me rescue - Shamokin, Pennsylvania - Animal Shelter ...: <https://www.facebook.com/MommyMeRescue>; Mommy & me rescue - Adopt a Pet: <http://www.adoptapet.com/adoption_rescue/85327.html>; - Mommy & me rescue - Shamokin, PA Rescue Animals: <http://mommyandme.rescueme.org/>
nubbins`: fuck, wait
nubbins`: ;;google jonathan meese mommy and me are animals
gribble: Jonathan Meese & his mother | Louisiana Channel: <http://channel.louisiana.dk/video/jonathan-meese-his-mother-mummi-and-me-are-animals>; Jonathan Meese & his mother: Mommy and me are animals - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgxQntdMjwI>; Jonathan Meese – Bortolami Gallery: <http://www.bortolamigallery.com/artists/jonathan-meese/>
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32371 @ 0.00074851 = 24.23 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: wow, in the coldest part of the last ice age, earth's average temperature was only 4.5C below the 20th century norm
nubbins`: imagine
Vexual: thats enough to change currents
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00074443 = 13.772 BTC [-] {2}
wyrdmantis: hi all :)
nubbins`: hola
nubbins`: wow, glad i don't live in ferguson, mo
Vexual: ohai
wyrdmantis: hoy hoy so i have to do the everify thing every time i log in?
Vexual: yahmon
wyrdmantis: i wish i've studied programming
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00074394 = 10.1176 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: real life is the best teacher
Vexual: i assumed you were chinese
nubbins`: besides, pgp is useful. you'll be glad you learned
wyrdmantis: can i change pgp key later?
chetty: changing pgp keys is messy, make a good one to start with
wyrdmantis: lol no i'm italian... we have been invaded by chinese instead... they're buying and opening shops everywhere
nubbins`: you can, but yeah... what chetty said
Vexual: slovakistan!
nubbins`: opt for maximum strength, save yourself a hassle down the road
nubbins`: wyrdmantis: why don't italians buy the shops?
Vexual: they do, it's only on paper
wyrdmantis: i think chinese don't pay taxes like italians have to do
Vexual: italians pay tax now?
wyrdmantis: aahaha not everyone but the majority yes
chetty: the gov everywhere raising taxes is good, people are using their heads to find alternatives
chetty: and thinking is good for everyone
wyrdmantis: also, almost everyone pays less respect what he should
wyrdmantis: so it's too late? the pgp i've created is fucking short
punkman: wyrdmantis: you mean you have a short password for it?
chetty: you havent registered it yet?
nubbins`: 2048 is the minimum
Vexual: i like people that get different stats than me
wyrdmantis: the passphrase is long
nubbins`: how long is long? :D
nubbins`: mine's in the neighbourhood of 100 characters
wyrdmantis: err 39 chars
nubbins`: better than 8, i guess ;D
wyrdmantis: yeah :) but you think it's enough?
punkman: wyrdmantis: ideally you'd want to make keys on an airgapped machine
Vexual: what do you think?
pankkake: nubbins`: is it buttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbutts ?
nubbins`: a small padlock is enough for my shed; a u-lock is enough for my bike; a deadbold and handle lock is enough for my home; a safety deposit box is enough for my valuables
nubbins`: "enough" depends on how you plan to use a given thing
nubbins`: pankkake: yes but i change the As to 4s and the Es to 3s
wyrdmantis: punkman: you mean an offline machine?
nubbins`: he means a machine that never has and never will connect to the internet :D
punkman: !s trilema airgap
nubbins`: again, your level of paranoia should be commensurate to your desired level of security
chetty: if its so complicated you wind up cutting corners, its bad
wyrdmantis: they can't stole my btc with my pgp key, so i fell safe for now
wyrdmantis: *feel
fluffypony: well this is fascinating
Vexual: indeed
fluffypony: I just stumbled across an old Satoshi post on Bitcointalk
assbot: JSON-RPC method idea: list transactions newer than a given txid
fluffypony: he basically says that you should never rely on the details of a transaction as a developer
fluffypony: as they can change
fluffypony: he literally spoke about the thing that mtgox did that made them vulnerable to malleability attacks
fluffypony: "Programmers are naturally inclined to want to use listtransactions like this: feed me the new transactions since I last asked, and I'll keep my own tally or static record of them. This will seem to work in all regular use, but if you use the amounts for anything, it is highly exploitable"
Vexual: the genreal thing is to ask .info
chetty: what you think devs read history? Its right in there with reading the manual
fluffypony: of course, mtgox got hit the other way round, but it's still pretty funny
fluffypony: chetty: yeah, but it just goes to show eh
chetty: present company excpted of course
Vexual: i don't like drunk satoshi
Vexual: repeating transactions ad finitum
Vexual: i guess theres a reason to not have the real client reported
Vexual: satoshi busines
Vexual: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 23452248634.0 based on data since last change | 24186371906.8 based on data for last three days
Vexual: thats not how you play frogger
chetty: How exactly are we to successfully and correctly examine ourselves when the only ‘normal’ we know is found in the boiling pot of water we presently occupy?
nubbins`: that's what daniel quinn asked :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 89 @ 0.02523161 = 2.2456 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 89 @ 0.01482559 = 1.3195 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: BitBet - URO coin to trade below .001 BTC Dec 15th :: 0 B (50%) on Yes, 0 B (50%) on No | closed 11 hours 19 minutes ago
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.33 Est. Next Diff: 1768652.91 in 599 blocks (#44352) Est. % Change: 276.67
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.09 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 6681.44 GH/s
pankkake: "String of blocks will reject payments lower than 0.0001 BTC before the end of December 2014" the guy almost had it right, I'm submitting a better bet even though I don't really see the point :p
nubbins`: for the good of the project, that's the point!
pankkake: he made it about devs policy, it should be about policy
nubbins`: bbl, printing
pankkake: +pool
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19680 @ 0.00074353 = 14.6327 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Timeline Correlation: Jeremy Hammond and Anarchaos
[]bot: Bet placed: 6 BTC for No on "Bitcoin over $1000 before September" http://bitbet.us/bet/866/ Odds: 9(Y):91(N) by coin, 21(Y):79(N) by weight. Total bet: 74.33365572 BTC. Current weight: 16,530.
chetty: The more certain I think I am, the higher the likelihood I am wrong for the simple reasons that I am unwilling to consider any other alternative plus I have now embodied my belief so tightly to 'me' that to question what I 'know' is to question the very basis of 'me'.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26000 @ 0.00074587 = 19.3926 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.266 = 1.862 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13494 @ 0.00074846 = 10.0997 BTC [+] {2}
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 189 Ask: 250 Last Price: 187 24h-Vol: 345k High: 200 Low: 187 VWAP: 198
BingoBoingo: !up mike_c
mike_c: ;;later tell punkman thanks, fixed. warp speed mining caused an issue.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: Oh yeah, WoL hasn't been around long enough to experience the full possible speed of ATC mining
mike_c: %d
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.33 Est. Next Diff: 1780729.41 in 557 blocks (#44352) Est. % Change: 279.24
thestringpuller: is WoL still using ATC bets too?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10950 @ 0.0007432 = 8.138 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00074251 = 13.8107 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.66538592 BTC to 13`068 shares, 12744 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 14.30585072 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 1244 satoshi per share
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14271 @ 0.00074229 = 10.5932 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up Pumped
BingoBoingo: !up Aholic
Pumped: !up
Pumped: hello
Pumped: whats happening folks?
Aholic: hey
BingoBoingo: Oh, not to much
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 585.91, Best ask: 587.95, Bid-ask spread: 2.04000, Last trade: 587.96, 24 hour volume: 2619.03081782, 24 hour low: 584.71, 24 hour high: 591.94, 24 hour vwap: 0
BingoBoingo: !t m s.wol
assbot: [MPEX:S.WOL] 1D: 0.0000879 / 0.0000879 / 0.0000879 (1 shares, 0.00 BTC), 7D: 0.0000879 / 0.0000879 / 0.0000879 (1 shares, 0.00 BTC), 30D: 0.000042 / 0.0000488 / 0.00008888 (25901 shares, 1.26 BTC)
BingoBoingo: !t m s.nsa
assbot: [MPEX:S.NSA] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.000101 / 0.000101 / 0.000101 (1 shares, 0.00 BTC), 30D: 0.000101 / 0.000101 / 0.000101 (1 shares, 0.00 BTC)
BingoBoingo: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0007422 / 0.00075233 / 0.0007749 (979066 shares, 736.59 BTC), 7D: 0.0007422 / 0.00085072 / 0.00094217 (5097763 shares, 4,336.81 BTC), 30D: 0.0007422 / 0.00082499 / 0.00094217 (11932071 shares, 9,843.94 BTC)
assbot: Inside a Chinese Bitcoin Mine | The CoinsmanThe Coinsman
BingoBoingo: lol "As old hardware becomes dated and unprofitable to run, it really piles up. There’s retired old Avalon machines all over the place."
TomServo: I liked: not “socialism-for-banks-but-we’ll-call-it-capitalism-anyways”
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 69 @ 0.015044 = 1.038 BTC [+]
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 190 Ask: 250 Last Price: 189 24h-Vol: 348k High: 200 Low: 187 VWAP: 198
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.33 Est. Next Diff: 1775259.29 in 526 blocks (#44352) Est. % Change: 278.08
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 42 @ 0.015044 = 0.6318 BTC [-]
atcbot: 722@279 8k@260 17k@250 | 39k@190 22k@189 100k@188
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12533 @ 0.00074486 = 9.3353 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35485 @ 0.00074995 = 26.612 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: 'Instead of leaning in, I leaned out': why women still need feminism | Money | theguardian.com
chetty: We didn’t have the right to credit cards in our own names until 1974
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21602 @ 0.00075137 = 16.2311 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 315101 | Current Difficulty: 1.9729645940577133E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 316511 | Next Difficulty In: 1410 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 0 hours, 16 minutes, and 21 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 23741241005.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 20.33283
assbot: New York brokerage CEO criminally charged with obstructing SEC| Reuters
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6140 @ 0.00075169 = 4.6154 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13450 @ 0.00074919 = 10.0766 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 110 @ 0.01490027 = 1.639 BTC [+] {3}
punkman: "The farm employs three people whose job it is to monitor the machinery and make sure that all the machines are working properly. They work around the clock, in three shifts, and do a walkabout of the floor once per hour to check everything. The guys live here mostly full time, going home for 4 or 5 days once a month. They sleep on the premises."
punkman: sounds like some honest hard work over there
punkman: oh and "Despite the massive and powerful air current created by these massive industrial fans, the inside of the mining farm still manages to hold steady at 40° Celsius (105° f) the entire time."
punkman: like actual mining, innit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71369 @ 0.00074828 = 53.404 BTC [-] {4}
thestringpuller: !search otc db
thestringpuller: channel is dead today
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 540 @ 0.00187069 = 1.0102 BTC [+] {4}
BingoBoingo: !up bats_cd03
bats_cd03: o hayy
assbot: ethereum blog | Ether Sale: A Statistical Overview
BingoBoingo: Nice work digging that up
bats_cd03: 'Thus, the fact that the majority of purchases occurred at the end shows that ether purchasers are generally a rather sophisticated audience – which I suppose you should be if you managed to be convinced to trade your hard-earned BTC for some cryptographic tokens backed by a concept of “generalized consensus computing”.'
bats_cd03: trolling hard
punkman: "As a final set of interesting statistics, we have calculated three Gini indices"
punkman: "The sale still has 28 days left to go; although we are not expecting much out of this remaining period, anything is possible." <- why would it suddenly stop?
kakobrekla: chumpatron needs recharge time for each money bomb
punkman: "The intent is to withdraw 4150 BTC from our exodus address within the next 48 hours."
punkman: " 2650 BTC will be distributed to pay for loans for prior expenses" ' “we” will not be selling any portion of this 2650 BTC on exchanges ourselves, although individuals may choose to independently convert the BTC that they receive into fiat '
punkman: right
punkman: "note that the distribution of the endowment is quasi-public; although names of all individuals are not published (though everyone is free to disclose their own portion voluntarily"
punkman: schrodinger's ledger
mike_c: ;;calc [ticker --last] * 2650
gribble: 1532813
mike_c: some loan.
punkman: "the expenses the largest is legal at $296,000 followed by rent at $111,000"
kakobrekla: not as much a loan as a gift
punkman: "This is great transparency, Vitalik. You're setting the right standards"
punkman: "This transparency is top notch."
assbot: Water and air are all you need to make one of worlds most important chemicals | Ars Technica
danielpbarron: "..ETH as being the token with the 8th highest total value.." << non-existent token has value?
danielpbarron: kinda like how some mystics sell hope to grieving loved-ones
nubbins`: TRANSPARENT+++++++ Would see through again
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.33 Est. Next Diff: 1775635.45 in 463 blocks (#44352) Est. % Change: 278.16
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: looks like your login succeeded, i have no idea right this moment why the request timed out.
ben_vulpes: er, registration
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00074371 = 7.5858 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3750 @ 0.00074214 = 2.783 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Stevie Wonder - Superstition (C2C Remix) by C2C on SoundCloud - Hear the worlds sounds
nubbins`: sold some casascius coins today, supper's on me tonight ;p
bats_cd03: do i have to give it up afterwards
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: I've been having similat troubles retrieving my otp
kakobrekla: btw what happened with the bitcoin posters taht were suppose to be printed?
BingoBoingo: !up bats_cd03
nubbins`: they're in the queue, and are still supposed to be printed :D
nubbins`: had an epiphany regarding the design a couple hours ago actually
nubbins`: gonna be good
assbot: Crazy Asian Mother by Erick Liang - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 100 @ 0.0104667 = 1.0467 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up the20year
the20year: and here I was gonna auth with gribble :D
kakobrekla: !down the20year
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3JVTR74.txt )
kakobrekla: !up the20year
the20year: i actually did it myself this time :D
the20year: all that effort for nothing
kakobrekla: !down the20year
assbot: the20year +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
kakobrekla: !up the20year
the20year: What happened to my wot ratings?
kakobrekla: no clue
BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust assbot the20year
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask the20year!~the20year@50.41.119.211. Trust relationship from user assbot to user the20year: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=the20year | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=the20year | Rated since: Tue Apr 29 11:21:55 2014
the20year: pankakke gave me -1? nice
the20year: Great....
BingoBoingo: ;;rate the20year 1 Going long on Ohio is prolly stupid but hasn't run away yet
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user the20year has been recorded.
the20year: I don't know what i did to pankakke to PO him, this FUD thing dropped share prices pretty signfiicantly and added pretty major volatility to the stock
assbot: State Passes Law to Legalize Shooting Police | The Free Thought Project
the20year: Rather, indiana?
the20year: Yeah, supposedly the state got sued by the FOP and they may strike it down, although the supreme court decision was a re-affirmation of basic self defense laws, and against the police idemnity laws
the20year: It's really a solid explanation of IN self defense laws and prevents immunity of anyone
the20year: Well, doesn't give immunity to any one regardless of position
BingoBoingo: Well when these things get litigated in shows where people stand
the20year: This is all of course from that case of the guy shooting police who were shooting him in the botched drug raid, the guy in the end i think was no-billed
assbot: Game 25 - Death 5611 Life 4389 Year 290 - War of Life
mike_c: get your bets in quick. fricking ATC miners are going nuts.
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.33 Est. Next Diff: 1773215.83 in 449 blocks (#44352) Est. % Change: 277.64
bats_cd03: i might bring a miner online after diff change...
bats_cd03: %tslb
atcbot: 0 minutes and 56 seconds
mike_c: i'm going to write a blog post on the last BTC game soon. it was interesting to me that more of the free money didn't get picked up, although TheNewDeal did grab some.
kakobrekla: mebbe someone figured one there is mk depth to be exploited
mike_c: hm. again in english?
kakobrekla: bb valuation is at 225 satoshi
kakobrekla: price is 188
mike_c: ah. good point.
kakobrekla: lookin here
bats_cd03: oops: http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a420193.pdf re: composite materials in aircraft incidents involving fire
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 191 Ask: 250 Last Price: 189 24h-Vol: 348k High: 200 Low: 187 VWAP: 198
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Well next month will probably be different
kakobrekla: bb im not implying anything but observing
bats_cd03: apparently, composite materials involved in fire result in aerosolized particles that can behave like asbestos
BingoBoingo: Yeah, diff drop changed a lot, but... Asks are still up or consumed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14887 @ 0.0007442 = 11.0789 BTC [+]
bats_cd03: %nethash
mike_c: %p
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.08 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 6941.43 GH/s
the20year: Alot of things can behave like asbestos
the20year: There's absolutely nothing special about asbestos other than the fact that some types atomize very easily
xmj: i don't get it
xmj: people that seem smart and seem to understand a lot
xmj: as soon as you enter into a professional mode with them
xmj: don't understand shit and imply meaning where there isn't any
xmj: Why is that?
mike_c: if by professional you mean they understand business, that does not correlate with intelligence.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40600 @ 0.0007404 = 30.0602 BTC [-] {4}
the20year: There we go...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11950 @ 0.00073936 = 8.8354 BTC [-]
xmj: mike_c: language
xmj: not enough data to judge anything
mike_c: i have enough for my satisfication. there are lots of smart people that don't know (or care to know) anything about conducting business.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 55 @ 0.02523161 = 1.3877 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 65 @ 0.01505999 = 0.9789 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: this would include most engineers actually
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 100 @ 0.0109591 = 1.0959 BTC [+] {8}
xmj: mike_c: maybe so, and it's not the issue im referring to
xmj: switch positions/contexts and people start sucking at comms.
mike_c: k, guess i'm not following then :) seems if you switch to a context they know little about they might sucking at comms.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 64 @ 0.02523161 = 1.6148 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 61 @ 0.01478954 = 0.9022 BTC [-]
chetty: some of it is attention span, lots of people seem to ask about something you answered 3 sentences previous
xmj: oh yes
xmj: even when they have the backlog in front of them, over irc.
xmj: sometimes i think I have ADHD. but compared to all these goldfish-short-term-memory people...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 88 @ 0.02523161 = 2.2204 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 91 @ 0.01475764 = 1.3429 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 50 @ 0.02523161 = 1.2616 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.0147 = 0.735 BTC [-]
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.27034801 = 0.5407 BTC [+] {2}
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 73 @ 0.01465 = 1.0695 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up shortcat
BingoBoingo: hello shortcat
shortcat: just idling
nubbins`: ;;ticker
nubbins`: gribs is zombie
nubbins`: !up mius
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29200 @ 0.00074114 = 21.6413 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 575.01, Best ask: 575.9, Bid-ask spread: 0.89000, Last trade: 575.94, 24 hour volume: 5097.20463480, 24 hour low: 574.09, 24 hour high: 590.99, 24 hour vwap: 0
nubbins`: !up Sebastan
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18513 @ 0.00074183 = 13.7335 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: !up pleego
nubbins`: !up yamaka
mircea_popescu: burberry bag ljtlqpnt@gmail.com 220.161.168.249Submitted on 2014/08/11 at 3:36 d.m. "Hurrah, that The Trolling Something Awful competition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. what I was exploring for, what a stuff! existing here at this website, thanks admin of this website."
mircea_popescu: what a stuff!
mircea_popescu: Nike Free Run 5 gluqnxx@gmail.com 220.161.168.249Submitted on 2014/08/11 at 3:51 d.m. "I all the time used to study article The Trolling Something Awful competition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. in news papers but now as I am a user of internet thus from now I am using net for content, thanks to web."
mircea_popescu: thanks to web!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14991 @ 0.0007468 = 11.1953 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.01487501 = 0.7438 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10685 @ 0.00074204 = 7.9287 BTC [-]
mod6: email treasures
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 573.0, Best ask: 574.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.00000, Last trade: 574.12, 24 hour volume: 5758.24513809, 24 hour low: 571.0, 24 hour high: 590.99, 24 hour vwap: 0
mircea_popescu: !up alex____2
mircea_popescu: !up OX3_
nubbins`: what a stuff
assbot: Optalysys and Optical computing | Locklin on science
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: mp at the planetarium
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: shit nubbins`, what a stuff!
nubbins`: i've got more of you holding babies and stuff too
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10115 @ 0.0007445 = 7.5306 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "While quantum computing appears to be turning into a multi-decade over-hyped boondoggle of a field, there is no reason why optical computers might not become important."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is this the equivalent of "no offense, but fuck you and that whore of your mother" ?
asciilifeform: nothing so spicy. just the notion that analogue computing could come back (it was a gloriously interesting field back in the day, dust off some books, fun)
asciilifeform: see 2nd link.
asciilifeform: (example of optical 'knapsack packer', posted here some time ago)
asciilifeform: seems like...
asciilifeform: they're selling it.
mircea_popescu: you're just a massive underdog rooter is the thing
asciilifeform: (or at least pretending to sell it)
chetty: what we gonna string core again?
assbot: Every Day Is Goof-Off-At-Work Day At the US Patent and Trademark Office - Slashdot
asciilifeform is selective about breed of underdog
nubbins`: wowwwwwww
nubbins`: always suspected, now i know
nubbins`: "Our quality standards are low," one supervisor told the investigators.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no argument there.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: they're given quotas (how many patents judged / month)
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you think tsa/nsa/anya is any different ?
asciilifeform knows folks working there
nubbins`: i've seen tsa agents up-close, most of them probably did basic math in high school
nubbins`: balancing checkbooks and shit
asciilifeform: there is no 'quality control' (in the usual sense) at uspto - the expectation is that 'mistakes' will be challenged in court.
chetty: EPA and IRS seem to find stuff to do
mircea_popescu: chetty yes, that's like the swat team. working for the irs is fun, you get to talk to really scared people all the time
nubbins`: a large badge that reads "the man" produces the same effect as a large stick, turns out
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is rather like imagining that working in a slaughterhouse is fun
nubbins`: "you get to cum like ten times a shift"
asciilifeform: killing things that can't fight back - where's the fun
asciilifeform: no 'resistance of the medium'
mircea_popescu: plenty of resistence of the medium.
mircea_popescu: this is why you can tell venison from butter.
asciilifeform: venison - resistance. beef - ?
mircea_popescu: paper doesn't exactly fight back in the sense of hitting bad poets over the head, either.
mircea_popescu: it should, but it doesn't.
mircea_popescu: What can it do? Matrix math, basically. Obviously, even thinking about this in the most hand-wavey manner, optical computers should be good at image processing. When you break down what is involved in image processing, matrix math and Fourier transforms come to mind. We know how to do matrix math with optical computers. The limiting aspect is how many elements you can encode and modulate quickly. An optical matrix mu
mircea_popescu: ltiplication doodad will do it in time, up to the limiting size of the matrices that can be encoded in such a machine. This is huge, as most matrix multiplications are for square matrices of size N. There is all manner of work done on improving matrix multiplication and other forms of matrix math via statistical methods (subject of a coming blog post); the problem is very important, as is pretty bad on large proble
mircea_popescu: ms. People who have studied the history of computer science know how important the Fast Fourier Transform was. It reduced the 1-d Fourier transform from operations to , opening up vast new applications to signal processing techniques.
mircea_popescu: ok, i'm sold. he has a solid point there.
asciilifeform: see TWINKLE and TWIRL
asciilifeform: (touched in previous discussion, i think)
mircea_popescu: what sort of insane nut puts o(n^3) as AN IMAGE in the text.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not all browsers support 'mathml'
asciilifeform: so reasonable.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6764 @ 0.00074019 = 5.0066 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i didn't mean it negatively, i meant it admiratively.
nubbins`: lots of wikipedia math articles do that
nubbins`: sucks
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform here's the sound of mp actually sending the corp an email to see if they want investment or mebbe even ipo.
asciilifeform: thought it was a bezzlecorp
mircea_popescu: one way to find out.
asciilifeform: i.e. black hole into which investment goes, emerges as burst of gamma rays and gently used cocaine
mircea_popescu: nah, they only got 500k
nubbins`: ugh, i remember eigenvalues and eigenvectors
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell wyrdmantis: i'm confused. Now i need to get rated in the wot but don't know how... << generally by doing business with, or perhaps more commonly working for, the people already in the wot.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
nubbins`: "my husband got in the wot and all i got was a lousy box of shirts in which a bunch of spiders have taken up nest"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00073993 = 2.2198 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: which reminds me, didja ship the ohio guy those posters ?
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: hadn't gotten that far into the log.
nubbins`: i think you'll like em
mircea_popescu: you didn't put any chained tits on them or anything did you ?
nubbins`: nooooo, imagine moving into a rental & finding such :0
mircea_popescu: "hello and welcome to DOOM PROPERTIES!"
nubbins`: i was actually printing a run of posters earlier (pix to follow) and stopped mid-poster to scribble down a couple paragraphs of ideas
nubbins`: it got all wrinkly on the vac table ;(
mircea_popescu: you got a vacuum table ?!
nubbins`: natch
nubbins`: not for making clamshells, more like an air hockey table in reverse
nubbins`: only way to print paper :D
nubbins`: heh.
nubbins`: terrifying
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: wyrdmantis: generally, asking for and receiving loans is a poor way to earn trust << it's not that bad, is it ?
nubbins`: it's pretty bad
mircea_popescu: maybe we talk of different things. do you have the "loan me 10 bitcents for trust" things ?
mircea_popescu: chetty i dun get it ?
nubbins`: if i see a ratings page full of "user x repaid his loan in full", not a chance will i go out on a limb for him
mircea_popescu: from users you know or don't know ?
nubbins`: don't know, definitely
nubbins`: know, depends on context
mircea_popescu: well ok. but you know, if the loan is large enough and the people involved known enough, it's just business.
chetty: <mircea_popescu> chetty i dun get it ?// empty suit,empty chair,empty podium
nubbins`: oh, sure, yeah.
mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone puts much value on the ratings of users they don't know.
mircea_popescu: not anyone very sane, at any rate.
mircea_popescu: if you do that might as well read the forum straight.
mircea_popescu: chetty lol
mircea_popescu: aaaand the ltc is under one bitcent.
mircea_popescu: MORE SILVER!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17521 @ 0.00074019 = 12.9689 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "I try to let my feelings about jed, facebook, and maybe, social entitlment get out of the way and see things with logic ripple vs Stellar or both in a basket. I tried to get some of that free STR and me not having a facebook account made that hard to impossible and kinda deactivated my unbias view of the ecosystem."
mircea_popescu: social entitlement ?
mircea_popescu: i can't imagine there ever lived a more easy to hate generation.
nubbins`: isn't social entitlement just a different way of saying you're cool?
mircea_popescu: it really doesn't take any effort.
nubbins`: i've got lots of social entitlement, i guess
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i suspect what he means is that he isn't cool, can't be bothered to even try and doesn't ~FEEL~ this shoulkd make any difference.
nubbins`: i occasionally kick people out of bars for fun
nubbins`: oh yeah, did i tell you guys we won a couple awards in the local arts rag?
mircea_popescu: any of them for lipstick peacock competition ?
nubbins`: close
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: best book cover, runner-up for best place to get your album art or show posters
mircea_popescu: who got the 1st place ?
assbot: GigPosters.com - Jud Haynes
nubbins`: well-deserved
nubbins`: incidentally, we printed the 2nd poster in the 2nd row
nubbins`: the "hey rosetta" one
mircea_popescu: +/u/dogetipbot 5 doge ahahha check that out
mircea_popescu: they're tipping in hairs and nail clippings by now
nubbins`: what's 5 doge, epsilon?
mircea_popescu: ima totally fucking do this, you know, if i'm ever in a place where hte fucking waitress is all doge-fan
mircea_popescu: ima tip her a pubic hair.
mircea_popescu: (worth >10 doge)
nubbins`: "gotta be what, 3 doge?"
nubbins`: oh, you don't trim
assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1PF2YHD.txt )
mircea_popescu: dude my pubic hair is really gnarly.
mircea_popescu: you could prolly make baseball bats out of some of these.
nubbins`: dem pores
nubbins`: some parts of my body tend to grow multiple hairs out of the same follicle
nubbins`: it's pretty cool
mircea_popescu: imagine if eyeballs did that.
nubbins`: i try not to imagine my eyeballs too much
nubbins`: else i start thinking about the mites i'm mashing into them whenever i rub
mircea_popescu: all good protein.
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 191 Ask: 250 Last Price: 191 24h-Vol: 349k High: 200 Low: 187 VWAP: 198
nubbins`: tongue won't reach that far up ;(
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: wow, in the coldest part of the last ice age, earth's average temperature was only 4.5C below the 20th century norm << that's such bs.
nubbins`: but xkcd said ;(
assbot: Judicial Watch Statement on Declarations by IRS Officials in the IRS Missing Emails Case | Judicial Watch
mircea_popescu: anyway, you mash them into the eye, the lacrimal glands wash them into the nose drain, from whece they drip straight into your duodenum
nubbins`: ah, that explains the bad taste
mircea_popescu: chetty judge should make an order creating adverse precedent for the irs.
mircea_popescu: "any taxpayer may prevail themselves of equal standards in any proceedings in this circuit".
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.33 Est. Next Diff: 1782214.48 in 362 blocks (#44352) Est. % Change: 279.56
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: 12x18", yellow and silver on black kraft, edition of 55
mircea_popescu: !up godovo
godovo: danke, but I've got nothing to say
nubbins`: !up ADutchGamer
godovo: it is sort of depressing reading the log/blog and understanding how miserable you are
nubbins`: oh, and i sold a couple casascius coins for a record-high price today
mircea_popescu: how does that go ?
nubbins`: overall, not a bad start to the week
mircea_popescu: nubbins` global warming affecting coins ?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu the prices are rising faster than the mean global temperature
mircea_popescu: this is easily explained through this mathematical model.
nubbins`: hey, that's the third line of the "what is bitcoin" posters
nubbins`: i treated pascale to a delightful supper of hamburger helper to celebrate
nubbins`: she was thrilled
mircea_popescu: what in the huronic demonology is a "hamburger helper"
nubbins`: boxed american-style goulash ;D
mircea_popescu: "our cheesiest flavour" ?!
nubbins`: inorite
nubbins`: in my defense i just made goulash from scratch
mircea_popescu: omfg look at that heresy! wikipedia lists sun radiative output as a causative factor in the first ice age (the one post oxigenation).
nubbins`: that box literally only contains a handful of macaroni and a packet of cheese-flavored powder
nubbins`: that's it
mircea_popescu: what sort of burgeois concilliatory anti-pseudo-scientific nonsense is this! out of wikipedia, the red flanel of the regime!
nubbins`: but they accept btc
mircea_popescu: no, they don't.
mircea_popescu: they accept coinbase or w/e it is
nubbins`: oh, lame.
nubbins`: that's not the same thing at fucking all
mircea_popescu: info@optalysys.com SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:<info@optalysys.com>: host mx01.1and1.co.uk [212.227.17.191]: 550 Requested action not taken: mailbox unavailable
mircea_popescu: fucking idiots these people. why even put a contact email up then.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` so how is this better than you know, cooking some meat and boiling some pasta ?
nubbins`: it's not
nubbins`: it doesn't even come with the meat
nubbins`: it's just noodles and powdered sodium benzoate
nubbins`: for $4
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> nubbins` so how is this better than you know, cooking some meat and boiling some pasta ? << This is what marketing does, convincing people to save time at the store by buying the box and some meat instead off... food
mircea_popescu: on the positive side, i'm getting about one.x trilema credit orders a day by now.
mircea_popescu: almost enough to live off
mircea_popescu: in some parts of the world.
nubbins`: not bad
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56050 @ 0.00073979 = 41.4652 BTC [-] {4}
nubbins`: i'm down to like
nubbins` burns a credit to find out
mircea_popescu: no way ?!
nubbins`: yah, i think i started with over 1k
nubbins`: so, thanks for the content, i guess
mircea_popescu: imo it's really a sort of lifetime deal, i have nfi who has the mettle to actually read 10k articles.
mircea_popescu: it's like 100+ books.
nubbins`: hey, we publish books ;D
mircea_popescu: hm. on second thought, i guess most people worth talking to actually read over 100 books.
nubbins`: i read over 100 books by probably the second grade
mircea_popescu: im starting to grok this.
nubbins`: no longer a common thing, this
mircea_popescu: for instance, suppose you commute or are one of the 100mn+ people that have to keep themselves quietly occupied for 1-2 hours a day.
assbot: Visurat s-a dat de goala. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: well, 1 bitcent on trilema is way better value than 10 bux on amzon
nubbins`: oh, that's another thing i noticed about yoorup
nubbins`: people read books on the fuckin metro
mircea_popescu: nubbins` yup, whole trainloads.
nubbins`: it's all phones here
nubbins`: people "checking" their facebook
BigBitz: Heh mircea_popescu you have a fan...
BigBitz: mircea_popescu- (~duwnz@cpe-72-191-13-154.satx.res.rr.com) squatting
mircea_popescu: i knew this chick, her thing was, she'd go through the trains at the end collect discarded books
mircea_popescu: put them on sale for ~1 pound each
mircea_popescu: BigBitz lol thanks god for ident.
nubbins`: not a bad way to make money
mircea_popescu: where is this anyway ?
nubbins`: not in a chan afaics
mircea_popescu: nubbins` her bf had a sort of antique store/fleamarket smorgasbord
mircea_popescu: BigBitz where is this anyway ?
BigBitz: mircea_popescu Freenode, of course.
BigBitz: message him :)
mircea_popescu: i thought some chan
BigBitz: He'll say either "dumb fuck" or "fucking faggot" or something as witty.
BigBitz: He's not in any chan. He's squatting you and trying to scam OTC folks.
mircea_popescu: o pm thing ?
BigBitz: Yup...
nubbins`: ;;google robin williams death
gribble: Robin Williams dead 2014 : Actor killed by celebrity death hoax ...: <http://en.mediamass.net/people/robin-williams/deathhoax.html>; Robin Williams - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Williams>; Robin Williams - Actor,Comedian - Biography - Facts, Birthday, Life ...: <http://www.biography.com/people/robin-williams-9532797>
assbot: Bitcoin Address 16crkmdoaK6Tq8NP3FVK7Uxq5Dwdicb3c3
mircea_popescu: then do ;;calc 235.16906445 * mtgoxlast
BigBitz: Please don't tell me these are crazy people who pay to read your blog, mircea_popescu? :)
nubbins`: BigBitz, it was like a dollar!
mircea_popescu: no, the crazies dun wanna pay.
BigBitz: damn crazies.
mircea_popescu: they figure they got enough crazy on their own, don't need trilema.
BigBitz: Who owns that address?
nubbins`: BigBitz, mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/1VKSYD5
assbot: dpaste: 1VKSYD5
mircea_popescu: it's the trilema credits address.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` that's bizarre, why'd he refuse.
BigBitz: LOL
nubbins`: i know, right?
nubbins`: i was ready to send
mircea_popescu: noobs today. can't even scam.
RagnarDanneskjol: mircea_popescu - I dug up that clearsign bot module in pyth here http://pastebin.com/5zKpYbdk
assbot: [Python] cex-bot clearsign - Pastebin.com
mircea_popescu: o hey, danke.
nubbins`: !up kdomanski
nubbins`: see? i'm un-impostorable
nubbins`-: yeah, you are.
nubbins`: who in the fuck is gonna trade with someone who has a ` and a -
nubbins`-: Mr8====D ?
nubbins`-: * Mr8====D :Erroneous Nickname
nubbins`-: bs.
Mr8-----D: dicknode only allows slimc0x
Mr8-----D: ;;ident
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'Mr8-----D', with hostmask 'Mr8-----D!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is identified as user 'mircea_popescu', with GPG key id 8A736F0E2FB7B452, key fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None
Mr8-----D: mmkay.
godovo: mircea_popescu: y u allow people using tor reading your stuff for free?
mircea_popescu: godovo it only works until they run out of credits on the exit nodes.
nubbins`: who needs tor? use anonymouse
nubbins`: hmm, i have like a hundred shirts to print today and it's quarter to nine
godovo: mircea_popescu: there are plenty of nodes
nubbins`: this sounds like a job for...
nubbins`: ;;google lagwagon mr coffee
gribble: LAGWAGON - Mr. Coffee - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiH_zqI9cX0>; Mr. Coffee by Lagwagon on Spotify: <http://open.spotify.com/track/1f2YbWb6yvRemratzSFQGm>; Lagwagon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagwagon>
godovo: mircea_popescu: why not blacklist them all?
mircea_popescu: godovo define plenty ?
mircea_popescu: why would i blacklist them ? let people have fun.
godovo: >1k?
mircea_popescu: lol so what's > 1k.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23018 @ 0.00073925 = 17.0161 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: godovo http://trilema.com/2014/awstats-and-stuff/ << 1mnish pages/month means even if they optimally use tor, it's still a tiny %.
assbot: Awstats and stuff pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
nubbins`: !up godovo
mircea_popescu: moreover, the idea isn't to make it impossible for people to read for free. the idea is to make it not cost effective.
nubbins`: it takes me several credits worth of time to load trilema through anonymouse
mircea_popescu: that way, the people whoi can afford to pay, and the people who can't aren't hussled. best of both worlds.
nubbins`: oh dammit i forgot about the bread
cazalla: that moment when you realise it cost you more of your time to find proxies to read trilema.com than 0.01
nubbins`: it rose and fell :(
godovo: cazalla: 0.01 is a lot
nubbins`: no it's not
nubbins`: that's a pint of ben & jerry's
godovo: not when you're buying coin with all the cash you have
nubbins`: who in the fuck would buy coins
BingoBoingo: godovo: 0.1 is like over 9000 credits, lasts me a few months
mircea_popescu: bubbins`> oh, and i sold a couple casascius coins for a record-high price today <<
nubbins`: selling is the new buying
mircea_popescu: what, nobody bought, you just sold ? what are you, the us fed ?
cazalla: i'd rather suck dicks than sell tbh
mircea_popescu: i'd rather sell people dicks to suck.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: i still don't know who in the fuck would buy them ;D
nubbins`: i'm surprised every time
mircea_popescu: here's a newsflash : YOU BOUGHT THEM
nubbins`: tbf i phrased improperly earlier, i meant who in the fuck would buy btc
nubbins`: with "in this day and age!" implied
asciilifeform gets this; can't bring himself to actually -spend- btc on anything.
nubbins`: who in the fuck would buy actual clinky coins? collectors
mircea_popescu: nubbins` everyone who wants to remain relevant going forward.
nubbins`: all those people should already have btc ;(
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'being relevant going forward' needs metal coins ?
nubbins`: it's 2014!
mircea_popescu: because nobody was too fucking smart to ditch something awful and suck our cock instead. like, ever.
kakobrekla: !up mjr_
mircea_popescu: like, when sec got told what to do, it just... did it, none of that "we're too good to do what our betters tell us to do"
nubbins`: asciilifeform i think this is one of those parallel discussions
mircea_popescu: !up LitecoinSchadenf
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he clarified he meant btc
mjr_: hi all
mircea_popescu: hey mjr_
mjr_: whats new?
LitecoinSchadenf: LTC/Doge in the tank - so happy
mjr_: was having trouble getting to mpex.co
mircea_popescu: under a bitcent huh.
nubbins`: mjr_ mpex.ws
mircea_popescu: mjr_ when did you last try ?
mjr_: i'm out of the loop as usual, so figured i would check here
mircea_popescu: ;;isdown mpex.co
gribble: Error: "isdown" is not a valid command.
nubbins`: mpex.co hasn't worked for me in ages
mircea_popescu: ;;isitdown mpex.co
gribble: mpex.co is down
mircea_popescu: o no fucking way
mjr_: You don't have permission to access / on this server.
mjr_: Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
nubbins`: at least a few days
cazalla: LitecoinSchadenf, it's just the start too :P
mjr_: ah ok, thanks guys
nubbins`: maybe that's why it couldn't find my public key ;D
godovo: will be interesting to see a cryptocoin stop having any value
mircea_popescu: well it was working for a while, actually.
mircea_popescu: but seems some proxies died a thousand deaths.
mjr_: ooh, i seem to have missed a lot
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xmj: take mises with a large tablespoon of salt please
BingoBoingo: !up The20YearIRCloud
mjr_: LitecoinSchadenf: I can only hope...
nubbins`: so after ~40 hours the cop guard outside next door moved along
mjr_: i LOL'd so hard at Stellar...
nubbins`: guess that means the death wasn't a homicide
The20YearIRCloud: When I grow up ill vnc to my office and up myself
mjr_: not because it is obviously a scam, but because they didn't even try to disguise it
mjr_: the altcoin market is very much like the tech bubble in the 90's...
mjr_: almost impossible to short, because stocks are hard to find
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I believe The20YearIRCloud called you old
LitecoinSchadenf: what's your issue with the MIses Circle/Nakamoto Institute?
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mjr_: ok, i reread the FAQ, where are DERPS explained (i get it obviously, its stupid businesses, hence the name DERP)
asciilifeform still waiting for an alt that isn't an obvious premine scam
pete_dushenski: ;;nethash
gribble: 177066673.252
mjr_: asciilifeform: you will be waiting quite a while...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: vnc << lol
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: there was that one that tested out how btc would behave when all new coins were mined.
pete_dushenski: can't remember the name now
nubbins`: ;;google derps site:Trilema.com
gribble: Introducing F.DERP pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/introducing-fderp/>; Further derps - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/2014/further-derps-dbstp-dcbse-dcifi-dokco-dxapo/>; F.DERP pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/fderp/>
mjr_: personally, i think that if it were about "your idea" and "your idea" had value, it would be incorporated into bitcoin...
mircea_popescu: mjr_ nah that's not it at all. it's much more like the online scam "industry", ie, 90% of volume is self-trading.
godovo: pete_dushenski: how did it end?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: What about Altcoin?
mircea_popescu: point in case, the eth launch
asciilifeform loves the presumed-winblows that always pops up in random n0obs' comments
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: there's a point
mjr_: mircea_popescu: but you can short some of those...nowadays it is a lot easier to short, and easy to borrow stock in order to do so
mircea_popescu: no you can't. im talking of the hyip crap. where do you think all these forum-ceos are coming from ?
pete_dushenski: godovo: afaik it was useful, if not profitable, the former quality being a first in the history of altcoins
mjr_: mircea_popescu: I meant you can short almost all stocks today, you couldn't in the 90's tech bubble.
mjr_: You can't short the alts, because there is no trustworthy lender, because they are all scams...
The20YearIRCloud: Just about
mjr_: if you care about your idea, and your idea is good, it will prob be added into bitcoin
nubbins`: mjr_, try using bitbet :D
mircea_popescu: you can' tshort them because there is nobody buying them lol/
mjr_: ah, P.T. Barnum said that a sucker is born every minute
mircea_popescu: otherwise one could short them either as futures (like i am trying to shoirt eth/doge)
mjr_: nubbins`: thanks for the tip
mircea_popescu: or yeah, on bitbet.
mjr_: that is what i meant
godovo: mircea_popescu: btw, any takers on the eth "deal"?
mircea_popescu: but inasmuch as the market for them is exactly 0... there's no way to short. nor do they have any \value
asciilifeform: mjr_: '... your idea is good, it will prob be added into bitcoin' << there is a set of ideas that are only 'good', from the point of view of their proponents, if other people are (made to) use them.
mjr_: i want to either get puts, sell futures, or borrow and sell
mircea_popescu: godovo buncha people want to talk about it.
xmj: too bad bitcoin-derivates don't do naked shorts.
asciilifeform: see 'demurrage' and the like
mjr_: that is not a good idea
mjr_: but i get your point
asciilifeform: good for the scammer.
godovo: mircea_popescu: I bet they want "guarantees" or escrow
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah well that's not really what a good idea is now is it.
mircea_popescu: godovo nope.
mjr_: what i meant is that IF the community who uses bitcoin pretty much unanimously like your idea
mjr_: it would make it into bitcoin
godovo: mircea_popescu: what's there to talk about then?
mjr_: but you wouldn't be able to boost your ego, or scam people into paying you
mircea_popescu: godovo beats me. look through the logs, it's all there.
xmj: LitecoinSchadenf: you know what i really find funny about Misesians?
xmj: LitecoinSchadenf: they'll predictably bash ANY non-gold{,silver} currency.
mircea_popescu: mjr_ there's very little ideas to be had and very many people who like to tell themselves htey have ideas.
mjr_: so the only rationale is that "the idea isn't good", or "i don't want to give away the idea without scamming people for money and boosting my ego"
xmj: LitecoinSchadenf: I've seen it Time and Time again.
mjr_: that is my point mircea_popescu
xmj: Misesians don't understand Human Action
godovo: will do
xmj chuckles
mjr_: IF the idea was good, you wouldn't need to launch an alt
mjr_: if your motives were pure, you wouldn't need to launch an alt
mircea_popescu: somehow ever since good old productive labour became something for niggers and mexicans, the ontological hope of all usians is inextricably tied to "ideas" and "Creativity" and "being famous" etc.
xmj: mjr_: that assumes things get into Bitcoin on a Meritocratic base.
mjr_: hmmm, if all miners want it, it happens
xmj: welcome to #reality, this is not how committees work.
mjr_: there are more than 1 implementation
kakobrekla: now xapo is sending out spam. lol.
mjr_: if bitcoinj btcd etc decide to do it
mjr_: bitcoind has to follow
xmj: mircea_popescu: "good old productive labor" do you mean dirty menial work?
mjr_: so, the heteroculture of bitcoin can act as a deterrent to any one group being able to dictate
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xmj: mjr_: not really
xmj: demons isn't where it's at; mining pools.
mjr_: demons?
nubbins`: using bitcoin to help children with type 1 diabetes
mjr_: don't want to get into religion
mjr_: ;)
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: isn't it all for the children?
asciilifeform: IF the community who uses bitcoin pretty much unanimously like your idea it would make it into bitcoin << increasingly less likely with every idiot-alt.
nubbins`: it's all for the prescient
asciilifeform: paging herr naggum!
asciilifeform: '...people who hate parts of the language, some of the people who created it, or some of the process that created it, who hold personal grudges they cannot let go of, or who think the best way to "improve" the language is to stay in the community and spread negativity and tear down everybody else's enthusiasm, do just that. No improvement at all will take place when such negativity rules because everybody is af
asciilifeform: raid that if they open up for any change at all, the destructive forces will win and the language they love will be destroyed by the hatemongers and destroyers who seek only their own personal revenge over feature wars lost. And that is precisely the case with Common Lisp. Strong negative forces want to reverse several decisions and threaten to destabilize the language, so in order to maintain the necessary pe
asciilifeform: ace that will allow developers to use this language at all, _nothing_ happens. By mounting a constant attack on the standards process, the nutcases who are never going to be happy with the language, anyway, ensure that their negative attitude keeps everyone else from being happy and becoming happier, too.'
asciilifeform: we're re-living history, in a way. the sane folks are ever less likely to 'reopen the btcd standard' with every passing day of derp.
xmj: mjr_: yes, well, what do you think the 'd' in btcd and bitcoind stands for?
xmj: hint: it's not Depressed.
kakobrekla: o i got this one, its 'doom'
xmj: no no, that's altcoind
mjr_: daemon?
mjr_: as in a background process?
mjr_: not demon, as in a malevolent spiritual entity?
pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: no more 10k btc ipos, no more 20% increases . o wait << such gold
mjr_: either way, people vote with their mining power
xmj: *shrug* yes
mjr_: ok...
xmj: hence 'mining pools' over 'daemons'
mjr_: so when that pool got over 51%
mjr_: bitcoin failed right?
The20YearIRCloud: I want to IPO
mjr_: oh...the market responded and they capped themselves at 40
mjr_: so, if things need to change, they change
mjr_: this is not academic, like python 3 vs python 2
mjr_: this is money
mjr_: and once people start hurting in the wallet, they move quick
mjr_: considering the bitcoin standard gets changed around once every 2 months
mjr_: i don't think we have this calcification that you point to
mjr_: the only question is WHICH changes
xmj: py3 vs py2 is not academic either
mjr_: and that right now is based on who makes the most convincing argument
mjr_: that is 100% academic
mjr_: most use python 2
xmj: god no
mjr_: the creator wants them to use python 3
mjr_: they don't
xmj: most companies use py2 because it a) works and b) you can hire developers fluent in py2 easily.
mjr_: and won't
mjr_: yes exactly
xmj: economics.
mjr_: even though the creator has stated he wants people to move to 3
mjr_: so...
asciilifeform: bitcoin standard gets changed around once every 2 months << what are the miners running?
asciilifeform: that'd be the standard
xmj: he can want that all day long :)
mjr_: he can't change things by fiat, the market rules what he does
asciilifeform: not the phoundation turd
xmj: asciilifeform: Thank you for reiterating my point.
mjr_: that is exactly my point
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> paging herr naggum! << change is not generally a good idea.
mjr_: the market decides how and when and in what ways bitcoin changes
mjr_: not some guy at a foundation
mjr_: which is why, IF it needs to change, it will change
mjr_: what are the miners running?
mircea_popescu: enter about 50 years of sterile "social studies" on the topic of how a bureaucracy is much better.
mjr_: lol
mjr_: markets are the most efficient way to get to optimum
mjr_: and they have a way of cutting through bullshit, and that was my only point
mjr_: if the idea behind an alt was so good, the market would have selected it to be included in bitcoin already
pete_dushenski: punkman: "This is great transparency, Vitalik. You're setting the right standards" << a shining beacon of derpitude
mjr_: there is no need to launch an alt
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mircea_popescu: <mjr_> considering the bitcoin standard gets changed around once every 2 months << i have nfi what you're on about, it's noit changed since 2011.
mjr_: perhaps that point was missed...but basically alts are pointless, because bitcoin can adopt anything they can invent IF it is useful enough to be adopted
mjr_: ok...
mjr_: so bitcoin addresses
mjr_: instead of ip addresses
mjr_: messaging fields
mjr_: i can refer you to the latest release notes if you like
mjr_: and you can runn a diff on the code if you want
mircea_popescu: i can refer you to some random bathroom stall ? what of it ?
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: looks like your login succeeded, i have no idea right this moment why the request timed out. <<bring on the muffins!
asciilifeform: btc is probably, for better or worse, frozen solid.
mjr_: i am saying that the code that is running on some mining machines is not the same code that ran in 2011
asciilifeform: because the burden of proof on anybody pushing a 'pheature' to demonstrate that he isn't slipping in a semantic - or syntactic - pwnh0le - is just about impossible to meet.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: and more so with every passing petahash
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the english language'd have benefited immensely had it been frozen solid when handed off to the nutty colonists cca 1700.
mircea_popescu: mjr_ it's not meaningfully different or else it wouldn't be able to run.
mircea_popescu: you can translte the miner';s desire to "runn different code" in the flurry of idiotic "revolutionary" nonsense imbeciles like molecular are pushing on the forum.
mircea_popescu: there's an entire class of them, occasionally i bitchslap them into the abyss, but whatever.
mjr_: ...bitcoin addresses are actually meaningfully different from IP addresses
asciilifeform: an improvement, even if genuine, will be condemned to grind out a meagre existence as an altchain.
mjr_: and there are certain things you CANNOT do anymore which you COULD before
mircea_popescu: <mjr_> i am saying that the code that is running on some mining machines is not the same code that ran in 2011 <<< this.
mjr_: so to say that it hasn't changed is flat out wrong
mircea_popescu: that's fine. narrowing is always fine.
mjr_: you can say that the core features that you find useful have not changed
mjr_: and perhaps they never will
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sounds perfect, really.
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mjr_: but that isn't to say that extraneous features aren't removed, or stupid ones added
mircea_popescu: mjr_ yes, it is to say exactly that.
mjr_: you agree that it narrowed, that some features were removed
mjr_: but you also say that no, no features are removed?
mircea_popescu: understand, if some kid somehwere adds a condom to his parent's the tv set, this is exactly meaningless to television.
mjr_: ok, and yet i don't like condoms on my tv sets
mjr_: so I notice a difference
mircea_popescu: narrowing fundamentally means those features never actually existed.
mjr_: no, they did
mjr_: that is like saying bankrupt companies never existed
mjr_: they clearly did
mjr_: and then they didn't
mircea_popescu: if i let you live in my garage because i'm too lazy to kick you out today, that doesn't mean the garage is your home.
mjr_: does it have all the elements that i would look for in a home?
mircea_popescu: you may understandably wish to misrepresent it as such. nevertheless... it is not.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes Login seems borked.
mjr_: i say if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and sounds like a duck, its a duck
mircea_popescu: same thing with bs "features" that meanwhile got thrown out, same thing with bs features the spyteam has been trying to insert.
mjr_: i agree
mjr_: not useful
mjr_: BUT still available to be used
mjr_: for example
mjr_: have you heard of multisig? it was not enabled, now it is
mircea_popescu: a gun is available to be used somewhere. it may even be used by mike hearn.
mjr_: that is a difference
mircea_popescu: that won't make the gun aprt of bitcoin.
mjr_: ok, fair enough
mjr_: tell me multisig is not a thing, and i concede
mircea_popescu: multisig is not a thing.
mjr_: tell me i can't craft a multisig transaction right now
mjr_: that will be accepted by the network
mjr_: valid per bitcoin rules
mircea_popescu: luke is trying to pretend like it is. that matters in the sense luke trying to pretend obama is jesus matters.
mjr_: ok, let me try broadcasting one
xmj: you can't craft a multisig transaction right now that will be accepted by the network valid per bitcoin rules
mjr_: and when it is rejected you are right
xmj: gnihihi
mjr_: you can
mjr_: it is done NOW
xmj: mjr_: you wanted someone to tell you that
mjr_: i'm saying that you can bury your head in the sand, it doesn't mean that reality ceases to exist
TheNewDeal: mjr_ pix or it dint happen
mjr_: there was a point where you could not do a multisig
mjr_: now you can
mjr_: that is a difference
mjr_: i don't give a shit how you try to spin that
mircea_popescu: mjr_ the day you can withdraw mpex funds to a multisig address i might care.
mjr_: it is an obvious difference
mircea_popescu: that day isn't here yet.
mjr_: ok, that is your personal choice
xmj: eheheh
mjr_: and your personal choice is not the bitcoin network rules
mircea_popescu: the fact you can make proper payments out of your braindamaged 3whatever also doesnt matter
mjr_: the rules changed
mjr_: i don't care...yuo said the protocol hadn't changed
mircea_popescu: your "multisig" thing is only relevant inasmuch you can actually pay out of it.
mjr_: which you can do
mircea_popescu: it hasn't dood.
mjr_: using the blockchain
mjr_: i really don't see how you can say that
mircea_popescu: suppose some kids decide they will have a cocksucking mining contest.
pete_dushenski: bats_cd03: oops: http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a420193.pdf re: composite materials in aircraft incidents involving fire << nice find!
mjr_: unless you mean something different
mircea_popescu: has mining now changed ?
mircea_popescu: because some kids somewhere are blowing each other on the machines ?
mjr_: yes
mjr_: it has
mircea_popescu: eh get out.
mjr_: because before
mjr_: miners would reject that
mjr_: now they accept that
mjr_: that would be the textbook definition of a change
mjr_: how about a simpler one
mjr_: you couldn't do tx of a certain size before
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mjr_: now you can
mircea_popescu: the day I AM FORCED TO ACCEPT IT something changed.
mircea_popescu: until that day. have fun and i don't care.
mjr_: i never said you had to care
mjr_: or even notice
mircea_popescu: so it never changed.
mjr_: i said that you can use the subset of features
mjr_: and ignore the rest
mircea_popescu: if math changes and 2 + 3 = 6 instead, then that's a change.
mjr_: that doesn't mean it hasn't changed, you conflate backwards compatible with identical
mircea_popescu: if people decide to write 2+3 as 3+2 from now on, that's just a fashion
xmj: nah
mircea_popescu: backwards compatible is identical.
mjr_: i can run 32 bit programs on my 64 bit machine
mjr_: not identical
xmj: bullshit
mjr_: or are we arguing the defintion of identical
xmj: well, too bad mircea_popescu is ignoring me
mircea_popescu: apparently.
mjr_: identical means there is no difference
xmj: A works on B doesn't imply B works on A
mircea_popescu: so what if i hexedit the gui and make it pink
mjr_: i can run diff on the code and it comes out "no changes"
mircea_popescu: has bitcoin protcol now changed because pink gui ?
xmj: necessary and sufficient conditions, all over
mjr_: yes
mjr_: that is a change
mjr_: 100% certainly
mircea_popescu: yeah well that's nutty.
mjr_: may be, but it is a change
mjr_: to say that the color...changed, but there was no change
mircea_popescu: aite, go ahead an' change the world.
mjr_: is logically impossible
mjr_: so, we can agree, you don't care about the changes, they don't affect you, they are irrelevant
mjr_: they may cease to exist
mircea_popescu: what's logically impossible is to imagine the bitcoin protocol is something that extends all the way to your soup.
mjr_: they may be misguided or stupid
mjr_: but they are changes
mjr_: huh?
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mjr_: i didn't bring up soup
mjr_: i am talking about running diff on code
mjr_: easy way to see if things have changed
mircea_popescu: protocol is not code.
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mjr_: ok...and if i add acceptable messages to a protocol
mjr_: that protocol changed
mjr_: for example, you added commands to mpex
mjr_: that changed the protocol of what messages were acceptable to mpex
mjr_: this is simple
mjr_: and i can do it all day
mircea_popescu: notrly. it only changed it when old ones stopped working.
mjr_: ok
mjr_: so you only changed it
mjr_: the protocol
mjr_: for a good reason
mjr_: you changed it
mircea_popescu: well sure. it's mine to change.
mjr_: yes
mjr_: and bitcoin is the miners to change
mircea_popescu: not so fast there :)
mjr_: and they have
mjr_: many times
mjr_: for fucks sake, there was a fork in the fucking blockchain because people didn't agree on which version to use
mircea_popescu: and the new version died.
mjr_: how could you have a clearer example of the protocol changing
mjr_: ok...
mjr_: but it did change
mjr_: and there was a conflict
mircea_popescu: mno. change died.
mjr_: what died
mjr_: the change that happened?
mjr_: how can something thta doesn't exist die
mircea_popescu: anyway, here's the story : i hire you to lay bricks for me. that's your job.
mircea_popescu: one day you come with a hat
mircea_popescu: the next day without
mircea_popescu: the third wioth a hangover
mjr_: thats a change
mjr_: each day
mircea_popescu: you figure your job has changed each day ?
xmj: lol
mjr_: no, my ability to do my job
mircea_popescu: one day job was "lay bricks with hat", the next" lay bricks without hat" ?
mjr_: how you would describe me to someone who you wanted to find me
mjr_: yes
mjr_: find my employee, he is the guy laying bricks wearing a hat
mircea_popescu: well so there you go. you wish o matter personally, but i don't give a shit. im your employer not your lover.
mjr_: that description is no longer valid on a different day
mircea_popescu: all i see is the bricks laid.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo, pete_dushenski: thx guys something went south during server swtich
mjr_: no...
mjr_: i am saying that right now, i can use multisig
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: You're welcom
mjr_: the job that is done has new possibilties
mjr_: i can lay bricks or i can lay cinder blocks
mjr_: but you think i can only lay bricks
mjr_: and you only want bricks
mjr_: thats good for you
mircea_popescu: mjr_ you could multisig before you.
godovo: wow
mjr_: i'm not saying that you have to change, i am saying that new features are added
mjr_: that is a fact
mjr_: you don't have to use them
mjr_: you don't have to notice or care
mjr_: that doesn't change reality
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: it's was all BingoBoingo :)
mjr_: there are new features that the bitcoin protocol allows
mircea_popescu: reality is not what some derps somewhere feel is the case.
mjr_: no
mjr_: reality is the state of the world
mjr_: the state of the network
mjr_: i don't give a shit about a derp saying anything
mircea_popescu: cool. so then there we go.
mjr_: i give a shit about a transaction crafted a certain way included in ablock
mjr_: and those transactions, that you say don't exist
mjr_: are in blocks
mircea_popescu: you can put any random data in blocks.
mjr_: so either, things that are recorded in a block don't matter
mircea_popescu: including pictures of twelve year olds taking horse cock.
mjr_: you could call all of the data random
mircea_popescu: this was done already.
mircea_popescu: not all of it, no.
mjr_: i could view all of the blockchain as random
mjr_: yes i could
mjr_: it is statistically possible to get that arrangement of bits by chance
mjr_: we choose to ascribe meaning to this configuration
mjr_: from this meaning, we can maintain records
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mjr_: and new records are allowed in, and are accepted as being records
mjr_: if that is not the case, then none of bitcoin protocol matters, because it is subjective
mjr_: i don't think your tx is anything other than random data
mircea_popescu: that'd be where you're wrong.
mircea_popescu: it matters precisely because it is subjective, and accepted.
mjr_: yes
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mjr_: and those features you don't like are accepted and valid
mircea_popescu: this is what renders the subjective but unaccepted parts irrelevant.
mircea_popescu: not by me.
mircea_popescu: and until the day they're accepted by me, they don't exist.
mircea_popescu: this is how this works.
mjr_: i, perhaps the only one, do not judge bitcoins protocol by what you find valid
mjr_: i judge it based on what i need, and what i can do
mircea_popescu: well apparently you judge it by what you find valid.
mjr_: ok...
mjr_: lets say
mircea_popescu: right. good for you.
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mircea_popescu: so your bitcoin has changed, mine hasn't, there we go.
mjr_: that if i send a multisig tx to someone, they will in return send me 1,000,000 bitcoin
mjr_: i do it, i get the money
mircea_popescu: that someone won;'t be me.
mjr_: nope, it won't
mircea_popescu: so go talk to them :)
mjr_: do i care? not at all
mjr_: the market decides what features are in bitcoin
mjr_: same as it always has
mjr_: and if i need to do business with you
mjr_: i can work with the limited subset of the protocol you find valid
mjr_: there is no reason why people can't send floppy disks to people who have the right converters
mircea_popescu: "the market" doesn't decide jack shit. if "the market" decides things, we might as well make coinbase the new fed and welcome wall street on their own terms.
mjr_: it is still a valid form of recording data
mjr_: if the market thinks that is a good idea :)
mjr_: i don't have to though
mircea_popescu: fuck it sideways and good riddance.
mjr_: i agree
mjr_: again
mjr_: i believe you conflate backwards compatible, or option with identical
mircea_popescu: so, yeah. the market may decide anything it wants for just as long as it stays strictly within what i find paltable. that';s how this thing works.
mjr_: i have an option to use multisig
mjr_: i don't have to
mjr_: yeah, you use the parts of it that you like, and don't use the parts you don't
xmj: i have an option to have a girlfriend
mircea_popescu: you have an option to do whatever the fuck it is you want to do at all junctures anyway.
xmj: i don't have to
xmj: - every nerd
mjr_: maybe i overly jump to your hyperbole
mjr_: why not just go ahead and say that bitpay doesn't exist?
mircea_popescu: notably, you could have used multisig at any point starting in 2009, and plenty of people did.
mjr_: or altcoins
mjr_: yeah, you could have
mircea_popescu: you can share keys and whatnot with or without bitcoin.
mjr_: you also could have sent coins to an ip address
mjr_: remember that?
mjr_: i cannot now send coins to an ip address
mircea_popescu: and if one day they include a weather service in some client, that'll be about as much change.
mjr_: i agree
mjr_: in other words, a change
mjr_: which was my point
mjr_: but if i only wanted to be able to send to ip addresses
mjr_: if that was my core feature set
mjr_: i'd be an idiot
mircea_popescu: that was an actual fork.
xmj: when will bitcoind be able to read/send email?
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mjr_: but also, someone who can't actually use the network for what i want
mjr_: how can you fork without changing?
mircea_popescu: and a welcome one at that. fucking ip addresses nuttery.
mjr_: i agree
mjr_: so get rid of a stupid features
mjr_: sounds like a good CHANGE
mircea_popescu: satoshi did that you know.
mjr_: i know
mjr_: i don't suck his dick
mircea_popescu: well it makes a difference.
mjr_: he made tons of mistakes
mjr_: and lots of good stuff
mircea_popescu: yeah, but he was also the only one with the authority to make changes.
mjr_: overall, way more good
mjr_: WAS
mjr_: and gave that up
mircea_popescu: exaclty.
xmj: again i want to mention the NSA => satoshi article
mjr_: in fact
mircea_popescu: no further satoshi, no further changes.
mjr_: passed that down to gavin
mircea_popescu: end of story.
xmj: and i'm perfectly too lazy to copypaste it.
mjr_: well...apparently the legions of the faithful didn't know that
mircea_popescu: tough for them.
mjr_: because they have been letting gavin make tons of changes
mjr_: which the miners faithfully run
mjr_: and derps use
mjr_: doesn't mean you have to
mircea_popescu: is deepbit still on 0.3.x ?
mjr_: doesn't affect you
mjr_: no clue
mjr_: i agree with you
mjr_: that they can add what ever fuckery they want
mjr_: as long as they don't affect the things i use
mjr_: i could care less
mjr_: start greenaddresses or purpleaddresses
mjr_: i don't care, as long as i can generate my own address whenever i want
mjr_: and do business with who i want
mjr_: but...
xmj: !up godovo
mjr_: i won't say that things i see don't exiest
mjr_: i will say they are stupid
mjr_: and there is a better way
mjr_: but you can't call something stupid if it doesn't exist...
mjr_: and i know how you love to call things stupid...
mircea_popescu: what are you talking about ? abstractions don't exist they get called stupid all the time
mjr_: its a stupid idea
mjr_: the idea exists
mjr_: in fact, physically
mircea_popescu: eh get out.
mjr_: there is an arragement of neurons in a certain configuration in some physical space
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mjr_: so...ideas are not magic
mjr_: any more than thoughts
mjr_: they exist
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mjr_: like anything else that can be interacted with
mjr_: lol
xmj: godovo: take it with a tablespoon of salt.
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mjr_: anyway, i really don't understand your point
mjr_: and i feel like i have belabored mine
pete_dushenski: mjr_: this much, we know
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mjr_: and i didn't want to talk about this anyway
mjr_: i really just wanted to look at options prices to figure out if i could arb something
mjr_: and mpex.co doesn't work for me now, so i found the other site
mjr_: but i still want to know what derps are
mjr_: also, i don't know who the fuck most of these people are anymore
mjr_: besides mircea_popescu and kakobrekla
mircea_popescu: mjr_ btw mpex.co is back too
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: heh i recognize him as the cuckold husband from flight of the conchords
mjr_: cool
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: World's nicest meth cook
mjr_: btw, you heard about my new job?
mjr_: i expected to be made fun of a bit more
mjr_: work at bitfinex
mircea_popescu: were you working for bitpay or ?
mjr_: lol
mircea_popescu: what do you do there ?
mjr_: vp of biz dev (don't laugh)
mjr_: i get to do what i want
mircea_popescu: how much do you get paid ?
mjr_: program, try new things
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mjr_: enough
mjr_: as long as i get to do what i want
mjr_: i don't care
mjr_: i wanna tell you about my other project though
xmj: mjr_: xmj.me
xmj: go read
mjr_: not btc related lol
pete_dushenski: mjr_: does "biz dev" entail trading into your own orders?
mjr_: hahaha
mjr_: nope
xmj: bummer
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mircea_popescu: so how are the numbers, still 25% default rates etc ?
mjr_: defaults?
mjr_: no one defaults
mjr_: at least if you mean on the lending market
mircea_popescu: o nm, i had it conflated with btcjam
mjr_: yeah
mjr_: lol
mjr_: i wouldn't put my money there
mircea_popescu: bitfinex still exists ?!
mjr_: hahaha
mjr_: thanks
mjr_: always great to come back home to bitcoin-assets
mjr_: how'd it go in romania? i was pissed i couldn't make it
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mjr_: don't know about that
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski omfg you gave me a moment of pause cause i thought your line's assbot's
mjr_: no lender has lost money, we have never been hacked
mjr_: we put up orders
mjr_: people trade on them
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: lel
mjr_: as far as exchanges go, i think we are pretty good
mjr_: don't know of many other exchanges i like better, its why i went to work for them
mjr_: bitstamp?
mjr_: no thanks
mjr_: can't give back an order id on a trade
mjr_: but i guess i am "advanced" in that respect
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i'd love to read the canaltalkforums where all the "business ceos" go to ipo for their new dig projects and special usg contracts
mjr_: one of the US exchanges? with a proctology exam for free?
mjr_: i'm in panama!
mjr_: is that a thing?
mircea_popescu: mjr_ still running the bitcoinica codebase ?
mjr_: nope
mircea_popescu: or finally got rid of that ?
mjr_: hahaha
mjr_: think that maybe the idea was similar, but don't think the execution was similar
pete_dushenski: mjr_: it is now. please to send 1 btc for private invitation to join
pete_dushenski: pm for address
mjr_: i'm good
mjr_: thanks though
mjr_: xmj: what was that about?
pete_dushenski: your loss
mjr_: i read about you
mjr_: but didn't know in what context to read
mjr_: cool that you do free_bsd
mjr_: i like debian personally
mjr_: mircea_popescu: so, how is the game going?
xmj: mjr_: you said "03:20:19 <+mjr_> also, i don't know who the fuck most of these people are anymore"
mjr_: oh
mjr_: yes i did say that
mjr_: i mean that i miss the people i used to see
mjr_: and that none of them are here anymore
xmj: note to self: mjr_ is a candidate for goldfish memory
mjr_: lol
mjr_: not like that
mircea_popescu: Giancarlo Devasini / J.L. van der Velde / Raphael Nicolle << which are still involved ?
xmj: mjr_: bully them into being here (or, create positive incentives)
mjr_: no clue how to go about doing that
xmj: send them a mail ?
mjr_: i think they may have gotten burned out
xmj: ha
mjr_: don't have their addresses
xmj: facebook ?
mjr_: nope
mjr_: just #bitcoin-assets
mjr_: so now, i think i know asciilifeform mircea_popescu kakobrekla
xmj: well, bummer.
mjr_: yeah
mjr_: miss those guys
xmj: i've been drinking with fluffypony does that count?
xmj: am i in the 'ingroup' now? :D
mjr_: i don't know
mjr_: i'm not lol
xmj: lol
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mircea_popescu: ;;ident mjr_
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'mjr_', with hostmask 'mjr_!~Thunderbi@186.188.245.195', is identified as user 'Josh_Rossi', with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address 1LokQrHj14NU93tC6pZfTZyyRHhAVakQmX
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mjr_: yeah i idented
mjr_: to get voice
mjr_: another change in the protocol around here
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mircea_popescu: ;;seen davidlatapie
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mircea_popescu: ;;seen davout
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mircea_popescu: ;;seen ben_vulpes
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mjr_: yeah davout
mjr_: true
mircea_popescu: ;;seen jurov
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mjr_: ah yeah, and of course jurov
mjr_: ok cool
mjr_: feel a little better
mircea_popescu: !up Jason
mircea_popescu: dja know how to self voice Jason ?
mjr_: what do you think of this slovenia conference
mircea_popescu: gotta ask kako/jurov, i'm not from around there
mjr_: i figured it wasn't the slovenia i was going to like...
mjr_: yeah i know
mjr_: but i was hoping they started it
mjr_: but figured bitstamp started it
mjr_: oh yeah
mjr_: by the way
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mjr_: mircea_popescu: were you critical of bitlicenses?
mjr_: kind of a silly question i suppose
mjr_: but i just think that it is funny, i think the "bitlicense" is a penalty for people who don't use the blockchain
mircea_popescu: ;;google time to make some bitlicenses of our own
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pete_dushenski: ;;later tell nubbins` what denomination of casascius coins did you find buyers for today?
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mjr_: well, all i meant was
mjr_: if you use the blockchain
mircea_popescu: ;;rated xmj
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mjr_: bitlicense doesn't apply to you
mircea_popescu: ;;unrate xmj
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cazalla: "Individuals also have the choice of taking the repayment in ether; in those cases, we will simply not send the BTC, and once all repayments have been processed we will publish all of the additional ETH that has been sold in this way (note that this is equivalent to sending individuals their BTC and letting the recipients send it right back into the exodus)."
mjr_: if you try to use bitcoin to replicate the old system (hand your money over to someone and trust them)
mjr_: it does
cazalla: it will be interesting to see how many opt for ether instead of bitcoin
mircea_popescu: now dun be stoopid.
mjr_: almost like lawsky wants to force people to use bitcoin rather than coinbase
xmj: mircea_popescu: remember what it occurred over?
mircea_popescu: vaguely.
xmj: mircea_popescu: i said that non-cashflow-positive startups use EC2.
xmj: mircea_popescu: don't negrate people for stating truth next time, please
mjr_: by the way, anyone gonna tell me if i can play this game where i can buy things with bitcoin?
mircea_popescu: no dude, you got negrated for attempting a powerplay with me.
mircea_popescu: mjr_ what game is that ?
mjr_: i don't remember, when you were interested in eve
mjr_: or something
mjr_: a game where i could put things into the world using bitcoin
mircea_popescu: there was a guild, smickles runs it now.
xmj: huh.
xmj: ah well
xmj: mjr_: find something where you can pay through Stripe.
xmj: mjr_: bam you can pay with Bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: !s "rate xjm -1"
mircea_popescu: this search!
pete_dushenski: !s mircea_popescu xmj rate
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pete_dushenski: flip the m and j
assbot: Game 24 - Death 4701 Life 5299 Year 651 - War of Life
xmj: *shrug*
xmj: if you take that as powerplay
xmj: i have observed countless startups who do things with EC2 and S3
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski, BingoBoingo: gpg homedir permissions. fixd.
mircea_popescu: the problem was (and am starting to suspect remains) your mistaken notion that you have a lot to give and relatively little to take.
ben_vulpes: oh jesus virtualization fights again?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Ty
mircea_popescu: not that this worlview isn't common with twentysomething impudent cocklets. but it is universally working to their detriment.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes hardly.
ben_vulpes: k. i'm clearly behind on my logs.
mjr_: heya ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: long time no talk, mjr_.
mjr_: yeah
mjr_: been a while
ben_vulpes: what've you been up to?
mjr_: working, playing around on some projects
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes he now works for... wait for it...
mircea_popescu: bitfinex.
mjr_: yep
mjr_: i do
mjr_: i like it
mjr_: only been 2 weeks, but i like the guys i work with, i have a lot of autonomy
mjr_: before that i was working at coinapult, which was also fun
mjr_: built locks with some cool people
mjr_: not sure what you think of those, guessing not good
mjr_: lol
mjr_: i expect to be torn to shreds here
mjr_: which is not that bad
ben_vulpes: i really have no opinions about these things
ben_vulpes: coinapult is coins via email
mjr_: was
ben_vulpes: bitfinex is an exchange of sorts
mjr_: still is somewhat
mjr_: locks is the newest product
ben_vulpes: "locks"?
kakobrekla: what happened at coinapult
mjr_: which is basically pegging bitcoin to some asset
ben_vulpes: pahaha how on earth?!
mjr_: nothing, that project was done, and i like the guys at bitfinex
mjr_: still hang out with the coinapult crew
mjr_: going to eriks wedding in sept
mjr_: its an ewallet
mjr_: so you say want to have an amount of bitcoin that reflects the gold/usd price
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes nah, lots of history there. bitfinex was a coupla twerps that took the leaked bitcoinica codebase and started a new bitcoinica, back in 2012ish ? early 2013 ? (that code was in the wild because after the nth breach, amir taaki of bitcoin consultancy fame "open sourced" it by releasing it without rights)
ben_vulpes: nope nope nope
mjr_: we hedge, and you will always get say an oz of gold worth of bitcoin
ben_vulpes: i ain't letting anyone hedge with my coins
mjr_: yeah bitcoinica was a fuckup
mjr_: yeah, i get you
mjr_: not for everyone
mircea_popescu: then about six months or so later some people involved had a very public breakup replete with tardstalk scam tag requests, much in the manner the bitcoin magazine takeover worked
mjr_: hold up, you are talking about bitcoinica?
mircea_popescu: then not a peep for about a year. so someone with some sort of competence took over. but mjr_ ain't telling who.
ben_vulpes: if i want to turn my paper dollars into paper gold, i'm just going to whelk my fiat down to Schwabe and let them do what they do
kakobrekla: id say bitfinex chumpatron is working just fine
mjr_: omg
mjr_: that may have been the nicest thing i've heard mircea_popescu say
mircea_popescu: mjr_ but kakobrekla has a good q, what happened at coinapult ?
mjr_: nothing
mjr_: i worked on locks, since i knew a little about hedging
mjr_: but i like doing more than just programming
mjr_: and have a few projects
mircea_popescu: so you're still in panama. basically what, erik bought bitfinex ?
mjr_: so i figured i would find something that lets me do more stuff i like, but still program
mjr_: nope
mjr_: he is busy working on his wedding
mjr_: not sure if he could afford it...maybe
mjr_: but i'm going to eriks wedding in sept
mjr_: but yeah, i mean, you know me, i like to talk
mjr_: and programming != talking much
mjr_: so, felt a little one dimensional
mircea_popescu: well someone's behind there, the people originally involved with bitfinex ain't got the resources required.
mjr_: and now i get to talk, they wanted someone to be out in public
mjr_: yeah, that is the beauty of that place
mircea_popescu: mjr_ how long you been there ayway ?
mjr_: is that ego doesn't get in the way
mjr_: always looking to improve
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mjr_: bring people who know more, fill in gaps
mjr_: since the 15th of july
mjr_: wait
mjr_: yeah, around 3 weeks
mircea_popescu: so you've not had a check cut yet ?
mjr_: i have
mircea_popescu: what, you working by the hour ?
mjr_: no
mjr_: i loved the way they phrased it
mjr_: they said we know you have a lot of projects
mjr_: we want to pay you to put us at the top of the list
mjr_: and will try to help you with your other projects because we are serial entrepreneurs
mjr_: so, it works well
mircea_popescu: you specifically ?! how the hell does some dude in france even know you.
mjr_: davout knows me...he is in france still right?
mircea_popescu: Raphael Nicolle << this guy.
mircea_popescu: not really running it anymore, is he ?
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mircea_popescu: a okay, i see. so apparently a guy i actually know took over that outfit. (no, not erik)
mircea_popescu: which'd explai nwhy they've not done anything spectacularly stupid in the last while.
TheNewDeal: gonna go grab some din din. Here's some good old US propaganda for yas http://online.wsj.com/articles/u-s-treasury-bond-yield-hits-lowest-since-june-2013-1407501409
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mjr_: a bunch of good guys work there
assbot: LTC/BTC - Litecoin / Bitcoin today charts from BTC-e
mjr_: and i like the way they are going
mjr_: anyway
mjr_: anyone can fill me in on derps those links didn't work
pete_dushenski: low at 2014-08-12 00h0.0099500 BTC
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asciilifeform: lol, i get up for a little bit, and somebody links the world-famous menstrual painter.
ben_vulpes: mjr_: weren't you at bitpay for a while?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: lol yw
asciilifeform: 'she's pretty high of the ground; doesn't OSHA require spotters, or a hardhat...' << from comments
pete_dushenski: wondering if that last 2btc bet on ltc is gonna squeak in (wasn't mine fwiw)
BingoBoingo: !up jdanks
jdanks: i have voice! lol
jdanks: i really needa figure out this whole WoT thing
jdanks: I've created PGP keys for stuff before not knowing what I was doing. I love all your posts mircea. you are a good man, standing up to bad peoples and finding who's trully trustworthy (:
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jdanks: thank you!
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mjr_: ben_vulpes: nope never at bitpay
mircea_popescu: btw mjr_
mircea_popescu: $proxies
empyex: mircea_popescu: Proxies: mpex.ws mpex.bz mpex.co mpex.biz mpex.coinbr.com MPEx-Status: 1722 milliseconds Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91
mjr_: ah tanks
mircea_popescu: if ever in doubt that's the path to truth
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mircea_popescu: jdanks hai there.
jdanks: hallo mr. popescu keep up tha good fight :)
mircea_popescu: so who're you ?
jdanks: somebody gave me voice. i have no pgp keys or nothing. name is john
jdanks: i'm a mechanical engineer turned internet of things engineer
mircea_popescu: you can just reg a key it's no big deal.
jdanks: i have great plans to put blockchains on mesh networks. and i invest in coins i think aren't shit. i go for the long calls. yea i havent had time. i just sort of stumbled upon your kingdom the last few days
jdanks: i'm sure i can figure it out but it'll be pushed aside till I have an empty weekend
RagnarDanneskjol: he's cool - I just turned him on to trilema the other day and his head blew
mircea_popescu: jdanks plenty of upside, take your time.
jdanks: *kkaa ppppbbllooooo*
mircea_popescu: !up bitcointrader_
mircea_popescu: someone should go for Individual Person Guy as a name.
mircea_popescu: !up jborkl
jborkl: Thank you
jborkl: I am going to publish the #bitcoin-assets Bitcoin awards
jborkl: I need categories and reasons
jborkl: None need to be valid and must be funny in some twisted way
RagnarDanneskjol: well biggest derpfuktard comes to mind
mircea_popescu: bitcoin's best tits ?
jborkl: Hell yeah
jborkl: Great suggestion
mircea_popescu: "least original name"
jdanks: i'll maybe go for that award lol
mircea_popescu: "most buzzwordy meaningless pr release"
mircea_popescu: "biggest first biggest".
jborkl: Very very good
jborkl: The PR release will be full
mircea_popescu: "longest two weeks"
jborkl: Who has Bitcoin best boobs?
jborkl: You are on fire
jborkl: Oh I nominate pr
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jborkl: Great , I can go with that.
jborkl: Most meaningless PR I can throw a dart
mircea_popescu: "Worst pr move masquerading as an award", you can give that to the bitcoin foundation for the two bit idiot debacle.
jborkl: Awesome on the tits story. That wins with 4 palms award
jborkl: Lol, that wins for sure.
RagnarDanneskjol: check his pictorial anthology - belongs in the smithsonian: http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=jpg+from%3Amircea+haslink%3Atrue
assbot: 339 results for 'jpg from:mircea haslink:true' - #bitcoin-assets search
assbot: Bitcoin’s PR challenges | Great Wall of Numbers
jborkl: So that is three categories, this is going very fast
mircea_popescu: left the guy a comment to come here, not approved yet, but anyway, if he shows up someone voice him
TheNewDeal: I'm going to be in the smithsonian!!
mircea_popescu: as a what ?
mircea_popescu: !up dogeywoof
assbot: 339 results for 'jpg from:mircea haslink:true' - #bitcoin-assets search
dogeywoof: Thanks
mircea_popescu: can i have a 5 doge tip now ty.
dogeywoof: How do I tip you
jborkl: Category : worst Bitcoin idea
mircea_popescu: see kakobrekla ? THERE IS DEMAND.
mircea_popescu: jborkl "most satoshi-like individual that's not acually satoshi"
TheNewDeal: http://www.ofnumbers.com/2014/08/12/bitcoins-pr-challenges/ Wasn't EV sued for something other than SD?
assbot: Bitcoin’s PR challenges | Great Wall of Numbers
dogeywoof: Where's kitteh?
dogeywoof: !seen kitteh
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal guy has a tenuous grasp on facts. which, for an outsider, i guess is laudable.
dogeywoof: Hey SuchWow
jborkl: Hah anyone named satoshi is chased by English press
TheNewDeal: !up SuchWow
jborkl: Well, onto real categories
jborkl: Best blog I cast my WOT only vote for trilema
jborkl: Best broker as coinbr
bitcointrader_: Anybody doing OTC derivatives on here? Like put options or forward contracts?
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust bitcointrader_
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user bitcointrader_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=bitcointrader_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bitcointrader_ | Rated since: never
mircea_popescu: not you tho.
SuchWow: lol either give me permanent voice or stop giving me temp voice. all it does is ping me, and i don't usually have anything to say, just observing :)
SuchWow: also, hello
SuchWow: lol
SuchWow: one day i'll be more interested and educated on the topics of discussion and investments here, and when that's the case, I'll speak up for sure :)
dogeywoof: SuchWow: so mean :f
TheNewDeal: omg absolute riduloustardedness "This is a mistake that we see in full force today in which the quantity of money available has shrunk due to theft, scams, purposeful burning, accidental destruction, etc."
mircea_popescu: he has a point.
SuchWow: dogeywoof: not being mean, it's just once you've been temp upped like dozens of times, it pings you twice in an hour, its just kinda annoying is all. Yes I should've just asked nicely for perma voice tho lol
jborkl: Anyone else with WOT want to vote?
jborkl: If you do , later tell me , I am going to write it in the morning.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45800 @ 0.0007372 = 33.7638 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: jborkl this suggests a ready expansion to Jason's bot. it could hold propositions for voting, like a gpg-poll thing.
jborkl: Cool idea, I will start on that
bitcointrader_: mircea, is there an escrow service that does otc derivatives?
mircea_popescu: !reg "Who should be the derpiest" and it gives you an index, then !vote 1224543 herpy and it tallies "herpy" +1
mircea_popescu: bitcointrader_ an escrow service does any deal, what difference does it make to it.
jborkl: Very good idea, and it will piss a bunch of people off
jborkl: That is always good
bitcointrader_: they can take collateral from both sides to ensure no counterparty risk
jborkl: Let's see coindesk plagiarize that heh
mircea_popescu: how do you plan to handle fiat collateral ?
bitcointrader_: BTC collateral
RagnarDanneskjol: you mean to mitigate SOME cp risk
mircea_popescu: if you take btc both sides it's hardly no cp risk.
jborkl: Ok make sure to vote ! +12 hours from now voting ends. WOT only 1st anal #bitcoin-assets awards
mircea_popescu: !up bitcointrader_
bitcointrader_: yout payout like a CFD. It's not fully eliminating cp risk but if you deposit 50% with escrow is covers a substantial amount. Just have an auto stop loss in place
mircea_popescu: in general, people trade otc as in, otc. major players
mircea_popescu: !up Tim___
mircea_popescu: they knoe each other, they trust each other, escrow is not the problem.
mircea_popescu: !up turbo_ac100
bitcointrader_: how are you settling your option and future contracts today?
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell wyrdmantis: punkman: you mean an offline machine? << http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-airgap-a-practical-guide/
assbot: How to airgap. A practical guide. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
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mircea_popescu: turbo_ac100 cool.
mircea_popescu: !up TimSwanson
TheNewDeal: i got hosed on that facking ltc bet
turbo_ac100: Yeah. I had a WOT rating here from kakobrekla. And I had a super-secure password. Only one is left.
TheNewDeal: was watching it all day
TimSwanson: Hello, all of my passwords are 1234abcd
TheNewDeal: went to go jerk off, shower, then I come back and BAM it's trading at .0101 something
TimSwanson: Anton suggested I come chat, I saw mircea's comment on my site
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal was it that it stays under or what ?
TheNewDeal: stays above
mircea_popescu: TimSwanson you the guy with the ofnumbers/book thing ?
TheNewDeal: got caught with the late bet once again
TimSwanson: that's me
TimSwanson: i have to go in a bit, but can chat for a few moments
mircea_popescu: ok, let me explain to you why your "ad hominem" approach is broken.
TimSwanson: I have read your post 3 times, you do not cite any data
TimSwanson: All you do is attack me
TimSwanson: That is an "ad hominem"
mircea_popescu: you may generously represent yourself as equal to all people, myself included. this however is false : i am a major player in a major revolution. you are practically nobody, or if we're charitable a minor player in a lengthy tradition, if we are again charitable and consider the us derpage somehow related to european academia as a human thought adventure.
TimSwanson: That is an ad hominem
mircea_popescu: now, if you want to talk about my think, and i say you're stupid, this can not be waved aside by you claiming it's an ad hominem.
TimSwanson: That is what the authors of articles in The Economist, do not sign their names
mircea_popescu: i would know if it were or if it weren't. you, however, wouldn't.
TimSwanson: because the arguments are supposed to stand for themselves
TimSwanson: That is besides the point
mircea_popescu: so. inasmuch as you wish to continue, on the general expectation that bitcoin will eventually conform to your worldview, you're more than welcome to it.
TimSwanson: Mircea, you need to deal with the content of the chapters
mircea_popescu: however, this will positively never happen. bitcoin will just ruin academia as you know it and that's that.
TimSwanson: And not just say "hey, I don't know him"
TimSwanson: Because that's how normal debates work
TheNewDeal: because he desparately needs your attention
TimSwanson: I know reading is hard in caves in Romania
TimSwanson: Lack of light, etc.
mircea_popescu: you don't get to say how these debates work. again, because bitcoin.
TheNewDeal: otherwise he falls off into the blogosphere
mircea_popescu: the problem here isbn't that i don't know you.,
mircea_popescu: the problem is that you don't klnow me, and by extension bitcoin.
TimSwanson: I don't care that you don't know me
TimSwanson: You don't own Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: you're stuck working with strawmen whether you want to or not.
TimSwanson: That's not how debates work
mircea_popescu: which is why the stuff yo usay is lulzy to people here, but not to you.
TimSwanson: What is the strawman?
TheNewDeal: Can I please argue for a moment
TimSwanson: You attacked me in a post
mircea_popescu: i didn't attack you.
TimSwanson: That's an ad hominem
TimSwanson: Yes you did
TheNewDeal: I have a bone to pick with this statement "This is a mistake that we see in full force today in which the quantity of money available has shrunk due to theft, scams, purposeful burning, accidental destruction, etc."
TimSwanson: You said I was a "environmental scholar"
mircea_popescu: i scored you. the difference here is that in order to attack you we'd have to share something. we do not.
mircea_popescu: what exactly do you do for a living ?
TimSwanson: Haha, okay
TimSwanson: I hope you enjoy your journey on the High Horse
TimSwanson: If you clicked "About the author" you might know
mircea_popescu: i have, which is how i got to this idea
TimSwanson: I do a lot work with Bitcoin startups, legal ones
mircea_popescu: now, i may well have misunderstood you. so, what do you do ?
TimSwanson: I have said so in many interviews
TimSwanson: I work doing market research for Bitcoin companies
mircea_popescu: none that apparently ever mattered.
mircea_popescu: so you think.
TimSwanson: Okay, nice
TimSwanson: Any other personal insults you'd like to make?
mircea_popescu: looky : i've been fran kto you. now, can i get a frank answer to what exactly it is you do, for a living ?
mircea_popescu: as a profession. what's your degree. something.
TimSwanson: I get paid to interview people, find out what they do and then write it up
TimSwanson: Go to my LinkedIn
TimSwanson: It's on my site
turbo_ac100: g'night guys. New key tommorrow :)
mircea_popescu: you think this is somehow more respectable than "evironment scholar" ?
TimSwanson: I have never done anything with the "environment"
mircea_popescu: Timothy Swanson Timothy Swanson is an American economics scholar specializing in environmental governance, ... << is this you ?
TimSwanson: I used to actually build mining machines
TimSwanson: That's wikipedia
TimSwanson: Another guy
mircea_popescu: so you're not that tim swanson.
TimSwanson: If you actually clicked on my LinkedIn, you would see that is the case
mircea_popescu: okay, i'll have to fix that article, no scholar environmental or otherwise.
mircea_popescu: link it.
TimSwanson: Busy with other stuff, you can click on it by visiting: www.ofnumbers.com/about-the-author
assbot: Tim Swanson | LinkedIn
RagnarDanneskjol: i dont think blogging is a real job, no?
mircea_popescu: and as to the earlier point : there is no such thing as "legal ones" re bitcoin companies. there's bitcoin companies, and then there's fiat companies that try to make a buck off bitcoin
mircea_popescu: these two have exactly zero in common.
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol arguably i make a living blogging these days, so who's to know anymore.
TimSwanson: Blogging is not my job
TimSwanson: Honestly, I didn't come here to be personally insulted, I thought you actually had data
mircea_popescu: Great Chain of Numbers: A Guide to Smart Contracts, Smart Property and Trustless Asset Management
mircea_popescu: March 3, 2014
mircea_popescu: Authors: Tim Swanson
TimSwanson: Instead, you're just attacking me
RagnarDanneskjol: I can make a living camping and foraging, does not make it a real job
TimSwanson: Do you have any actual complaints with say, Chapter 3?
assbot: GPG contracts pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
TimSwanson: Yes, I linked to it in my recent book saying it won't work
TimSwanson: Chapter 17
TimSwanson: in a footnote
TheNewDeal: teach me your secrets
TimSwanson: Pay me money
mircea_popescu: TimSwanson now we're getting somewhere.
TimSwanson: Look, all you have to do, is read either book and then you can say what you disagree with
TimSwanson: Imagine if the book had no author, then it would just be about the actual content of the book
TimSwanson: Instead, you have wasted about 10 minutes trying to attack me
mircea_popescu: if the book had no author i definitely wouildn't read it.
TimSwanson: Okay, that's your loss
mircea_popescu: i don't think you understand how this works. things need a source to exist.
TimSwanson: I cite hundreds of sources
TimSwanson: Other sources
TimSwanson: Look in the Endnotes
mircea_popescu: hundreds of sources eh ?
TimSwanson: Yes, you should press the blue underlined hyperlink button to open the book
mircea_popescu: this is readily reducible to the problem of "i have a very high wot score". it's not the number. it's the identity.
mircea_popescu: dja grok how the wot works ?
TimSwanson: Then on the right side there is a "scroll bar", go down to the bottom
TimSwanson: I am not interested in your WoT games
TimSwanson: I came here out of curteousy
TimSwanson: I have answered your questions
mircea_popescu: right. so if you're not interested in bitcoin, why should i care what you wrote down somewhere ?
TimSwanson: My WoT in the real world is pretty good
TimSwanson: You are the one leaving comments on my blog
mircea_popescu: this is pretty much the gist of the problem. get interested in bitcoin or get used to not being taken seriously, i guess.
TimSwanson: If you weren't interested, why would you leave it?
TimSwanson: You are not a gatekeeper for bitcoin
TimSwanson: You do not get to decide who is or is not interested
mircea_popescu: i left a comment on an article that pingbacked my article,
TimSwanson: That defeats the whole purpose of permissionless
TimSwanson: It auto-pings
TimSwanson: Welcome to 2003
mircea_popescu: and i left it because it was apparent to me that you don't, on your own, possess the intellectual means to comprehend the problem.
TimSwanson: What is the problem I do not comprehend?
mircea_popescu: now, whether this session helped or didn't is unclear, but at least i tried.
TimSwanson: I don't have to be a Bitcoin Taliban to understand how it works
TimSwanson: What did you try?
TimSwanson: Insulting me?
mircea_popescu: well, i suppose the way to reference it in your system would be "the wot games".
TimSwanson: You have provided no data for your position
TimSwanson: I understand WoT
mircea_popescu: you aren't yet enough of a something to be insultable im affraid.
TimSwanson: I have a big network in the real world outside caves
TimSwanson: So you invited me, to insult me?
mircea_popescu: that's nice.
mircea_popescu: well now look. so do you understand the wot or don't you.
TimSwanson: What is your actual argument?
TimSwanson: Yes, I am not in your WoT
TimSwanson: I am not interested in being your WoT
TimSwanson: I am interested in research, with data
mircea_popescu: my actual argument is that you're captive in a mostly meanginless structure, and that it's a shame, basically.
TimSwanson: That was not your argument
TimSwanson: You called me names
TimSwanson: And ignored "a"
TimSwanson: Whoever "a" was
mircea_popescu: you're not about to tell me what my argument is, now is it ?
TimSwanson: Brought up good points on mining costs
TimSwanson: Look, I have to go in about 5 minutes
mircea_popescu: have fun.
TimSwanson: Do you actually have some data about mining you want to chat about?
TimSwanson: Or did you just want to insult me?
RagnarDanneskjol: please stay, this is highly entertaining
mircea_popescu: no, but should you wish to actually learn about bitcoin, this channel is here.
mircea_popescu: there's also a log.
TimSwanson: Haha, you're right, I have no idea what Bitcoin is, at all
mircea_popescu: so you can do it discreetly if ego wound avoidance is such a priority.
TimSwanson: Please, tell me the way, the truth and the light
mircea_popescu: indeed, that's the gist of it.
TimSwanson: Look, you sound a lot like any other religious leader who says "you cannot understand the movement unless you're part of it"
TimSwanson: It's a non sequitur
mircea_popescu: also a¬ stands for.. .a-non
TimSwanson: Either you have an argument with data, or just rhetoric
mircea_popescu: i thought it was pretty clever.
mircea_popescu: i am not actually saying that.
TimSwanson: Okay, so "a-non had an interesting couple of points
TimSwanson: About the costs of mining
mircea_popescu: what i am saying is that you can never have something meanginful to say about a culture from outside of it.
TimSwanson: The costs of mining have seen and unseen aspects
TimSwanson: Bitcoin is open source tech
TimSwanson: It's not culture
mircea_popescu: well that'd be where we differ
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is irreducible to fiat.
TimSwanson: Show me the line of code that has "culture" in it?
mircea_popescu: this'd be a fine example of the strawman in question. you imagine this is a meaningful question, but it isn't.
TimSwanson: This si the same problem cypherpunks had back in the '90s
TimSwanson: They built really cool tech like PGP or even Digicash and ZKS but couldn't find a target market in a profitable manner
RagnarDanneskjol: </member><member name="P:Bitcoin_import_key.My.Resources.Resources.Culture">
mircea_popescu: i doubt thinking of those people in collective terms is very sensible, but anyway.
TimSwanson: Are you a bot?
TimSwanson: You have not said anything about mining
mircea_popescu: "cypherpunks" didn't "build pgp"
mod6: lel
TimSwanson: Pretty sure the cypherpunks in California would disagree with you, Phil Zimmerman may have coded it, but they dreamt it up, etc.
mircea_popescu: oh they dreamt it up
mircea_popescu: show me the dream in the code.
TimSwanson: Anyways, I am gonna take off
TimSwanson: Was nice chatting with the community here
TimSwanson: Feel free to email me if you have any other questions
TimSwanson: Cheers
mod6: m00
mircea_popescu: this being the main reason. people get so emotionally invested in their fiat-denominated holdings they simply can't adapt.
mircea_popescu: and it's funny what actually plays the role of fiat-denominated investment in most cases.
mircea_popescu: not like this dude is rich or anything.
RagnarDanneskjol: that's the bay area for ya
mircea_popescu: anyone bored enough to extract the footnote in question from chapter 17, lemmeknow. i got a log to read.
mircea_popescu: somehow i'd much rather spend my time reading that than listen to songs someone wrote based on poems they wrote (the world needs more singers-songwriters and fewer doctors and engineers!)
TheNewDeal: you would rather read that trash?
TheNewDeal: I can only presume there's some thick sarcasm I'm missing
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: he literally spoke about the thing that mtgox did that made them vulnerable to malleability attacks << this is a major part of why mtgox debacle was so funny to the old timers.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal what trash, th logs ?
TheNewDeal: oh gotcha. Thought you meant that dude's writings
mircea_popescu: ah, him. well, if he manages to get over himself he might actually do something useful at some point.
mircea_popescu: is this the first time i got called a religious leader btw ?
TheNewDeal: "Bitcoin may be able to do that one day, but maybe not at the current $40 per transaction cost structure. " What troll-drugs is this guy smoking
dignork: TheNewDeal: it sounds like fallacy, but it's partially true
TheNewDeal: I have never paid $40 per transaction
mircea_popescu: dignork did that go just about the way you expected ?
TheNewDeal: I have never paid 1$ per transaction
dignork: usdbtcprice/average number of tx per block
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal it's the old "bitcoin is nto visa" thing.
mircea_popescu: ;;isitdown google.com
gribble: google.com is up
TheNewDeal: Gotcha. I was taking it to mean 40$ in fees per transaction
mircea_popescu: not for me...
assbot: Google
assbot: Bitcoin prices, Bitcoin inflexibility pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
dignork: TheNewDeal: yeah, but it's an extrapolation, to when miners payouts drop to zero
TheNewDeal: I've read that comment before
dignork: mircea_popescu: I think it's a beginning of beautiful friendship. or not.
mircea_popescu: dignork how old is the dude anyway ?
mircea_popescu: locklin never managed to get over being told off.
mircea_popescu: i would imagine somewhere 30ish is the cutoff.
mircea_popescu: chetty: How exactly are we to successfully and correctly examine ourselves when the only ?normal? we know is found in the boiling pot of water we presently occupy? << trilema!11!11!eleven :D
dignork: mircea_popescu: not sure, from linkedin pic - 30 or so, i'm bad with age detection
mircea_popescu: looks 48 to me, but what do i know.
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.09 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 6952.12 GH/s
dignork: TheNewDeal: so the logic goes: currently miners are reimbursed ~40$ per tx, what will happen to them when payout drops. It's actually a valid question imho.
mircea_popescu: dignork what's that $40 come from, 600ish tx per block, 25 btc per tx, 600 $ per btc ?
dignork: yep
mircea_popescu: do you see how idiotic it is to look at that in $ ?
mircea_popescu: they'll be paid some fractions of bitcent.
mircea_popescu: that's where this lets go : btc price goes up high enough for it to be worthwhile to miners. that tiny cent.
TheNewDeal: as transaction fees?
mircea_popescu: otherwise they don't sell it.
dignork: which might cost gazillions, but you can't count on it, price might rise slower than payout fall
mircea_popescu: it can't lol.
mircea_popescu: that's exactly what it's based on
mircea_popescu: what did you think drove the price, "merchant adoption"?
TheNewDeal: then why wasn't there a huge price jump during the reward halving?
TheNewDeal: was it "priced in"
mircea_popescu: something like that.
mircea_popescu: real prices don't follow fundamentals exactly. this is how you know they're real prices.
dignork: TheNewDeal: well, currently fees are very small relative to pyaouts, so it wasn;t supposed to create price jump
mircea_popescu: if you look at secular averages, there is a huge jump.
TheNewDeal: but the reward halved!
TheNewDeal: what do you mean by secular?
TheNewDeal: ;;ud secular
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=secular | Dec 24, 2004 ... secular. Intelligent; One who uses common sense and deductive reasoning to come to the conclusion that religion is a joke. I think, therefore I ...
mircea_popescu: average price over 215k blocks.
dignork: right, so fees jumped from 0.1% to 0.2 #
mircea_popescu: dignork that's not the problem. the equation roughly is, "total btc miners get for mining". how that chunk is composed dun matter much.
mircea_popescu: so per-block went from 50.00x to 25.0x
mircea_popescu: roughly, halved.
mircea_popescu: and it looks like it's gonna go 12.x, and then x as in 6-9ish
TheNewDeal: do you think miners will start rejecting transactions with fees below a certain amount?
mircea_popescu: aren't they already ?
TheNewDeal: as in, .00025 or something
TheNewDeal: currently it's .0001
mircea_popescu: well so there you go.
TheNewDeal: I'm just wondering, do yo think that is how things will go?
mircea_popescu: it's a market, unlikely it'll ever go over a buck or w/e.
mircea_popescu: obviouisly. scarce resource, expensive to make. gotta be this tal lto ride.
TheNewDeal: it would be interesting to see if there were peak hours where high fee transactions were the vast majority to get through
TheNewDeal: then off peak, back to some lower levels
mircea_popescu: maybe some timezone effect eventually.
mircea_popescu: !up jborkl
jborkl: Thank you
mircea_popescu: !up Ginux
mircea_popescu: tefl/tkt ? holy shit, english teachers are now talking about their connections in the world ? what the fuck is wrong with this world, jesus.
assbot: 403 Forbidden
jborkl: Never mind the 403 it works
mircea_popescu: everyone's just sell sell sell not even a moment to consider it may be veering into the fucking ridiculous after a while ?
mircea_popescu: punkman: sounds like some honest hard work over there << i wonder how much btc they get paid.
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot bats_cd03
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user bats_cd03: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=bats_cd03 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bats_cd03 | Rated since: never
mircea_popescu: ;;rate bats_cd03 New blood.
gribble: Error: 'New' is not a valid integer.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate bats_cd03 1 New blood.
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
mircea_popescu: bats_cd03 get in the wot wouldja.
mircea_popescu: !up bats_cd03
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44600 @ 0.00073702 = 32.8711 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: punkman: "The sale still has 28 days left to go; although we are not expecting much out of this remaining period, anything is possible." <- why would it suddenly stop? << three gini guesses, and anything that's not "because they stopped wash trading" dun count.
mircea_popescu: punkman: "the expenses the largest is legal at $296,000 followed by rent at $111,000" << shoudl be interesting what they rent for 111k. weren't the derps in san francisco whining coupla months ago that 10 / month / sqfoot is "outside of what a business can pay" ?
TheNewDeal: is bats different from mats?
mircea_popescu: i has nfi.
mircea_popescu: i ended up in http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?page=3&order=dateup and im chortling to myself lmao.
assbot: #bitcoin-assets bash
mircea_popescu: this shit's gotten pretty good by now
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 278 @ 0.00188898 = 0.5251 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: <TheNewDeal> do you think miners will start rejecting transactions with fees below a certain amount? < only the poor people pay fees
mircea_popescu: bitcoin, retrograde in more than one ways.
TheNewDeal: is that why bitbet takes so long from resolved to my wallet :D
nanotube: <mircea_popescu> nanotube hey listen, is there some way for gribble or http://bitcoin-otc.com to be queried by gpg signature rather than nick ? <- if you mean by gpg keyid/print, then gpg info supports query by keyid. website does not currently but in theory that can be arranged.
assbot: #bitcoin-otc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14473 @ 0.00073589 = 10.6505 BTC [-] {2}
nanotube: ;;help gpg info
gribble: (gpg info [--key|--address] <nick>) -- Returns the registration details of registered user <nick>. If '--key' option is given, interpret <nick> as a GPG key ID.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12577 @ 0.00073455 = 9.2384 BTC [-]
TheNewDeal: ;;google define: test
gribble: Speedtest.net by Ookla - The Global Broadband Speed Test: <http://www.speedtest.net/>; Personality test based on C. Jung and I. Briggs Myers type theory: <http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/jtypes2.asp>; Speakeasy Speed Test: <https://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/>
copumpkin: MPOE tanking!
copumpkin: (cheap MPOE?)
TheNewDeal: get it while its cold
cazalla: when did havelock change so that you must be logged in and own shares in order to download reports?
cazalla: it throws me this message when i tried to grab casinobitco.in update - "You must be logged in and own units of the fund"
cazalla: actually, works for some, not others, maybe it's up to whoever listed it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 31 @ 0.02523161 = 0.7822 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.2759999 = 0.552 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: nanotube the gribble part is good enough.
mircea_popescu: ;;gpginfo 2FB7B452
gribble: Error: "gpginfo" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: ;;gpg info 2FB7B452
gribble: No such user registered.
mircea_popescu: ;;gpg info 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452
gribble: No such user registered.
mircea_popescu: ;;gpg info 8A736F0E2FB7B452
gribble: No such user registered.
mircea_popescu: nanotube what am i doing wrong ?
mircea_popescu: ;;gpg info --key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
gribble: User 'mircea_popescu', with keyid 8A736F0E2FB7B452, fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None, registered on Fri Jul 22 08:39:10 2011, last authed on Mon Aug 11 17:27:18 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=mircea_popescu . Currently authenticated from hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu .
mircea_popescu: nanotube tyvm, sorry for all the highlights :)
mircea_popescu: bats_cd03: apparently, composite materials involved in fire result in aerosolized particles that can behave like asbestos <<< yes, this is why fires are so dangerous in contemporary urban settings. the smoke kills you more often than the fire.
mircea_popescu: it's a great coincidence that wood burns cleanly and coal only slightly dirty, otherwise civilisation'd have been quite a different thing.
nanotube: mircea_popescu: np :)
mircea_popescu: i can't decide if i prefer cognac or rum with this chocolate fondue. they're both so damned good!
mircea_popescu: i may end like buridan's ass
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