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mircea_popescu: <cazalla> old enough to remember around 2000 the red pill was called ladder theory <<< .
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asciilifeform remembers the 'ladder' essay. it was a more dour, 'dismal science' version of mocsny/PUA/whatever-it's-called-now material
asciilifeform: of the 'if yer phucked, yer phucked' flavour.
mircea_popescu: quite unamerican.
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assbot: The Ladder Theory
cazalla: mircea_popescu, it use to look much different and most of the discussion was on intellectualwhores.com, long dead
asciilifeform saw this alive
mircea_popescu: i have news for you.
mircea_popescu: intellectualwhores.com
mircea_popescu: Männer und Frauen – theoretisch platonisch
mircea_popescu: Der Mann und die Frau sind dazu verdammt, sich zu lieben oder nicht.
asciilifeform did once partake of the crud in great quantities, to no useful end
cazalla: mircea_popescu, probably a squatter
mircea_popescu: no adds, which'd be odd for squatting.
mircea_popescu: ". As far as intellectual whores can determine, the average female bitch has a rating system that works like this:." << look, the original reference is even preserved./
cazalla: well perhaps a holdout who still practices ladder theory all these years later. it was a forum back in the day
asciilifeform: pray tell how does one 'practice' ladder theory.
asciilifeform: not unlike 'practicing' heat death of the universe
cazalla: asciilifeform, if you think i'm dumb now, you should've seen me at 19 parroting this shit
asciilifeform: cazalla: at that same age i tried mightily to find an engineering application of it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform seems a simple preference scoring thing neh ?
asciilifeform: simple in that it succeeds in 'stretching the owl over the globe' and fitting observables to hypothesis
asciilifeform: not so simple re: 'wtf should poor wretch do'
mircea_popescu: "A woman's test is material. A man's test is a woman...if a man could fuck in a cardboard box, he wouldn't buy a house." - Rabbi Dave Chappelle.
mircea_popescu: this is such bs.
mircea_popescu: so the first time i met this chick, about a decade ago, that had incidentally flown in on her own dime
mircea_popescu: i got a switch off a tree then marched her into a dark blind alley in the scary part of town, made her leave her clothes streetside, kneel there and swooshed her a few.
mircea_popescu: i have not subsequently inhabited said blind alley.
asciilifeform: so there we sat, contemplating how, generally, the bigger calibre of cannon, the louder the report. and mircea_popescu woke up, reminded us how he vapourized enemies with old trusted Nd:Yag laser.
mircea_popescu: http://www.laddertheory.com/images/mansladder1.jpg << is this how the "she's a 10" thing was born ?
mircea_popescu: i bet it is.
asciilifeform: in complete silence
mircea_popescu: silence's always the sign of the most dangerous cannon.
asciilifeform: most fuck in house
asciilifeform: fire loud cannon
mircea_popescu: im sure that's an experience that'll never be forgotten, incidentally. the sheer depravity of it.
mircea_popescu: nude among the garbage, teh pain, all that. it's a thing.
mircea_popescu: nfi why it should be such a big deal, but it undeniably is.
ben_vulpes: once again i find myself confronted with stupid shit that shouldn't be a problem if the industry hadn't standardized on virtualized machines too small to host and serve their own images
ben_vulpes: fuck s3
ben_vulpes: fuck ec2
ben_vulpes: fuck rds
ben_vulpes: if your shit can't pay for a server beefy enough to serve itself and its assets get the fuck right out of my face
ben_vulpes: rarragrhargh cheapskate clients
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i don't think you understand.
ben_vulpes: yeah i'm clearly the retarded one here
mircea_popescu: this is the unlimited shared hosting v2.0
ben_vulpes: it's just SO GREAT to not actually have to manage your own hardware! look! we even have a k/v store you can post shit to!
ben_vulpes: it's fucking awesome!
ben_vulpes: "sorry, you can't log to a bucket in a different region"
ben_vulpes: sorry. clearly something importnat was going on and i'm interrupting
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes what do you want them to do ?
mircea_popescu: servers are expensive. customers are cheap.
ben_vulpes: well nothing, duh. they have the stick here.
ben_vulpes: now i have to have a conversation with some people who are really sold on virtualization about how either i'm a retard or these layers of indirection are not worth the fucking cost.
mircea_popescu: no but even if you had it.
mircea_popescu: of course they aren't lol.
ben_vulpes: i burned days DAYS DAYSSSSSSS trying to get pre-signed URLs to work from java last month before giving up and hard coding AWS credentials into the deploy scripts
mircea_popescu: a) don't use java ; b) lol
ben_vulpes: well, clojure.
ben_vulpes: but either the clojure api for s3 or the java lib underneath it have a bug in their pre-signed url implementations.
ben_vulpes: the point is sudo apt-get install redis
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ben_vulpes: or yum. whatever. don't care.
mircea_popescu: "I invented a new type of gameI: DOOR GAME!"
mircea_popescu: the shit that's on my blog jesus
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> nfi why it should be such a big deal, but it undeniably is. << theatre hue
mircea_popescu: i suspect it's more in the line of "well what bad can happen to me now!"
mircea_popescu: armored in the styx as it were.
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ben_vulpes: and yet my parents house is appraised at 850k.
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wywialm: morning, #bitcoin-assets
BingoBoingo: Morning
xmj: moin
BingoBoingo: 1up EsteNuno
BingoBoingo: !up EsteNuno
EsteNuno: thanks
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fluffypony: !up EsteNuno
fluffypony: EsteNuno: same EsteNuno as the one from BTCT?
EsteNuno: thanks, yes
fluffypony: *BTCTalk
fluffypony: ah cool cool
fluffypony: punkman1: lawlz
fluffypony: punkman1: you're Greek, right?
punkman1: I got the card yeah
fluffypony: ok I have a language question
fluffypony: and you'll have to excuse my utter ignorance
punkman1: sure
fluffypony: but Greek letters in words are individual letters as they are with English, right?
punkman1: of course
fluffypony: ok cool
fluffypony: got to get someone to make a Greek wordlist, and wanted to make sure the rules we apply to the English one could be applied to Greek as well
punkman1: are you making glutenfree text-analytics too?
fluffypony: no no no, we're making Words as a Service in the cloud
fluffypony: so we can synergise our mutual interdependencies
punkman1: greek words are tricky
fluffypony: trixxy little wordses
punkman1: "Last night my mate asked to use a USB port to charge his cigarette, but I was using it to charge my book. The future is stupid."
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BigBitz: punkman1 :(
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assbot: Feds’ Silk Road Investigation Broke Privacy Laws, Defendant Tells Court | Threat Level | WIRED
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assbot: PSA: Circle and Xapo account insurance does NOT cover ALL your lost bitcoins. It only covers up to $100. : Bitcoin
fluffypony: that's awesome
fluffypony: they won't pay anything if the loss is your fault
fluffypony: they'll only pay if it's directly their fault
fluffypony: and only up to $100
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BigBitz: $100. nice.
BigBitz: That's real strong insurance.
fluffypony: "we got hacked, here's $100"
BigBitz: "guys, guys, don't worry. We're hacked. We've got insurance"
BigBitz: "We've sent everyone out their $100 Wal-Mart Gift Cards, thanks Insurance"
punkman1: and they'll love it because they didn't even have $100 to begin with
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assbot: Oleg Andreev - Bitcoin is not compatible with the State
ThickAsThieves: "So if you support the idea of Bitcoin, you acknowledge the hazard of entrusting the entire economy to trusted third parties. You acknowledge that the ultimate power must be spread thin among every single participant and never be entrusted in hands of a few, even if it’s a democratically elected government." Good luck with that.
ThickAsThieves: "But as more and more businesses avoid paying more and more taxes, there is less money being left for the government. That means that extraction will become increasingly less effective and therefore allowing even more people to avoid taxation on even larger scale. This cycle would repeat until all government employees will run away to seek real jobs because their bosses wouldn’t be
ThickAsThieves: able to pay them a single penny." can i haz some koolaid too?
ThickAsThieves: i can rationalize a majority of what he's saying, but it's overconfident that everything would go exactly as he sees it
ThickAsThieves: it won't
ThickAsThieves: i'm also unclear as to why a 'state' (in whatever adapted form) can't exist with bitcoin around
chetty: ThickAsThieves, it could but taxes would be voluntary
chetty: as I believe was once hte case actually
ThickAsThieves: is it voluntary to answer the door if men with guns are knocking?
ThickAsThieves: sure people can leave
ThickAsThieves: hopefully
ThickAsThieves: but how many places to go that won't impost a state on you?
ThickAsThieves: and what is a state?
ThickAsThieves: and what might one look like under bitcoin
ThickAsThieves: i think Oleg should explore these things too
chetty: he should, but its not a bad start on some of the ideas
ThickAsThieves: it's a thin line between the derps claiming the magic of bitcoin 2.0 and the magic of bitcoinpolitics 2.0
chetty: I think we are all fumbling a bit, not sure where all of this leads
ThickAsThieves: yes the guy did write a decent article
ThickAsThieves: i'm just playing the other side
chetty: always a good thing :)
punkman1: it's not bitcoin that puts the state out of business. individuals do that, perhaps empowered by bitcoin in various ways.
ThickAsThieves: peter todd quit bitcoin for viacoin?
punkman1: as an individual you may have the power to not allow the state inspector count your pigs before you sell them
ThickAsThieves: you might*
ThickAsThieves: yes i agree bitcoin is a great tool, but it's hard for people to resist the urge to close their eyes and blink into a magical future
ThickAsThieves: in most cases, a future they may never even see
ThickAsThieves: someone is saying it's quite religious, and it does feel that way sometimes
ThickAsThieves: was saying*
chetty: I generally consider it a useful mental exercise to consider the possible extremes
punkman1: ThickAsThieves: they need the Rake: "Never believe a thing simply because you want it to be true"
ThickAsThieves: so much hope and so many ideologies are projected onto bitcoin, fantasy and theory get blurred
ThickAsThieves: i guess it's great tho
chetty: everything gets blown up into religion these days ..global warming, feminazi, PETA
ThickAsThieves: yep the political/emotional/whateverthefuck climate polarization seems to force any school of thought to require worship-like devotion
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assbot: Bitcoin Foundation Urges Court to Dismiss Charge in Florida LocalBitcoins Case
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ThickAsThieves: though i doubt court cares what TBF wants
chetty: I guess they accidentally do right sometimes
assbot: If your wedding guests throw shade on Yelp, this hotel will charge you $500 | The Verge
chetty: hotels can now fine you?
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ThickAsThieves: hotels just need a way to review customers
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pete_dushenski: as if they'll actually pay the "fine"
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell fluffypony thanks man. there was a whole transition and everything: http://contravex.com/2014/07/29/the-transition/
assbot: The Transition. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell ben_vulpes oo new sizes eh? i see that survant james has already found there way into the line-up :D
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell mircea_popescu yup, definitely mixed em up. thanks for spotting this and for the comment :)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: looks like mpex had a bunch of new registrants last month. que bueno
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes meh green/browns << so mp wasn't kidding! i never know sometimes...
pete_dushenski: punkman1: he's a believer << show this stellartard "never say never" and he'll be a belieber too
pete_dushenski: i know it worked for me.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: maybe i'm just lazy and stupid. that's always possible. << so humble.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: well i got a condition where i can't differentiate canadian settlements. << maybe we shouldn't have colour-coded them...
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.71467340 BTC to 12`777 shares, 13420 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 16.87032396 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 1467 satoshi per share
pete_dushenski: http://trilema.com/2014/критика-и-самокритика/ << quite enjoyed this. makes me appreciate the current state of affairs. and want to find some toes to suck.
assbot: pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
chetty: <pete_dushenski> punkman1: he's a believer << show this stellartard "never say never" and he'll be a belieber too// belivers we got, need a few more skeptics to throw mud around, imo
pete_dushenski: we have skeptics
pete_dushenski: but we're losing our voices over here
pete_dushenski: someone get us a bottle of water
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pete_dushenski: zillabtc: and they all faild? << what was mircea_popescu saying about people sitting quietly and reading solving all the world's woes?
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pete_dushenski: “It’s possible that taking physical pain relievers provides men with more cognitive resources to express the pain they feel,” << alcohol seems to work this way
chetty: probably same mechanism really
pete_dushenski: decimation: as happens in societies without stable property rights. If you do this at all you can expect an immediately higher default premium which would make an economy undercapitalized." <<
pete_dushenski: "undercapitalization" in economies with jubilees allowed them to last a century or ten rather than this fizz bang pop nao it's here now it isn't stuff
pete_dushenski: da desert jooz had smaller jubilees every 7 years and larger ones every 49-50
pete_dushenski: agricultural land was returned to its "rightful" owner every 7 years, making it effectively rented out, with only property in walled cities able to be permanently transferred.
pete_dushenski: jooz who fell into debt were freed on the jubilee year, but not gentiles...
pete_dushenski: it was a basic economy to be sure
pete_dushenski: definitely more web of trust based
pete_dushenski: but even that original property, that land o' israel, was distributed by fiat: "kick out everyone else, you deserve this" kind a thing
pete_dushenski: sorta what we're seeing with the current conflict
pete_dushenski: not that i give two fucks about that mess. israel, if anywhere, should be in south america
chetty: blame the brits
pete_dushenski: if we start with the blame game. we'll end up pointing the finger at bacteria.
pete_dushenski: not the least of which is because they outnumber us in our own bodies 10-1
mike_c: what's that math? we have 10 bacteria in us?
chetty: hahaha I been preaching that one (or similar) for a while, no one wants to give up finger pointing
pete_dushenski: punkman1: so that's what they do instead of getting laid
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punkman1: pete_dushenski, yeah someone's gotta build those big ships
assbot: Robotic suit gives shipyard workers super strength - health - 04 August 2014 - New Scientist
punkman1: 3-hour battery life, can only lift 30kg, a bit disappointing
pete_dushenski: like gen 1 laptops
pete_dushenski: i'm off to go play some badminton and pedal my bike around town. later!
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mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 590.41, Best ask: 590.55, Bid-ask spread: 0.14000, Last trade: 590.55, 24 hour volume: 3551.13147998, 24 hour low: 581.8, 24 hour high: 595.7, 24 hour vwap: 587.842223463
mircea_popescu: this is liek teh largest battle of our times.
ThickAsThieves: you mean the congested price?
ThickAsThieves: we're in between two very old trendlines
ThickAsThieves: itll have to resolve this month
mircea_popescu: the gambit being that if they manage to get bitcoin price to behave like gold price, bitcoin will essentially behave like gold
mircea_popescu: and fail in its mission, even though it in principle could have succeeded,. much like gold had succeeded for a long long time.
ThickAsThieves: but gold is already "adopted"
ThickAsThieves: bitcoin would eat at that and grow
mircea_popescu: the beauty of this being that they aren't going to succeed, but letting them try is so god damned productive and enriching.
ThickAsThieves: “They always complain about regulation. That’s their job. Let’s look at the track record. Let’s look at the facts. Since I have come into office, there’s almost no economic metric by which you couldn’t say that the US economy is better and that corporate bottom lines are better. None." ~ o'bama
justusranvier: "Since I have come into office, there’s almost no economic metric by which you couldn’t say that the US economy is better and that corporate bottom lines are better, because we control the metrics and we make them say whatever we want"
ThickAsThieves: Guys I just got Excel! All my numbers are up!
justusranvier: Too many unemployed people? Stop counting the people who've given up completely.
mircea_popescu: justusranvier they *are* unemployed.
mircea_popescu: this isn't chomage, it's unemployment. puritan concept.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves lmao amusingly hruschev said the same.
justusranvier: Of course they are in reality, but the "official unemployment rate" doesn't include them.
justusranvier: Because telling the truth is inconvienient.
mircea_popescu: justusranvier sorry i just responded to teh last line. i see my error now :D
mircea_popescu: but anyway, hruscev said the same. soviet russia was in the slump of all time, the dude was derping about how "according to all indicators"
justusranvier: USA in 2010s = USSR in 1980s
mike_c: i have a gut feel about why you are right, but I'd love to hear you expound on it a bit. If nefarious forces are shoveling money at BTC to suppress price, why will this fail? bitcoin is currently small. you think they just won't be able to keep it up and eventually price will explode?
mircea_popescu: mike_c im writing it up.
mike_c: ah, good
mircea_popescu: just_mike nikky h died in 70
justusranvier: mike_c: What if Coinbase doesn't actually have all the Bitcoins their customers believe they have. They take in a great deal of USD, but how do we know they aren't operating on a fractional reserve? Until people stop leaving their coins in third-party custody, those kinds of price manipulation games are inevietable.
mike_c: justusranvier: i don't believe coinbase has a vested interest in large scale price manipulation. investor-mania would be great for their customer acquisition.
justusranvier: I don't either, actually. But they are very interested in being bought out. Suppose the company gets purchased by a bank. What will the new owners be interested in doing with that huge pile of customer deposits?
mike_c: bitcoin deposits? coinbase doesn't hold fiat. not sure a bank would know what to do with them.
justusranvier: I mean the bitcoin deposits
mircea_popescu: anyone have handy that link to the log chart of us warplane cost ?
ThickAsThieves: i saw this picture of a bunch of Canadian red/white maple leaf ATMs form Cavirtex, I wonder if maybe those stockholders from Havelock might get something something outta things in the end...
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mircea_popescu: ;;bids 1000
gribble: Bitstamp | There are currently 0 bitcoins demanded at or over 1000.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0287 seconds
mircea_popescu: ;;buy 1000
gribble: (buy [--long] <amount> <thing> [at|@] <priceperunit> <otherthing> [<notes>]) -- Logs a buy order for <amount> units of <thing>, at a price of <price> per unit, in units of <otherthing>. Use the optional <notes> field to put in any special notes. <price> may include an arithmetical expression, and {(mtgox|bitstamp)(ask|bid|last|high|low|avg)} to index price to mtgox ask, bid, last, (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: ;;buys 1000
gribble: Error: "buys" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: ;;ask 1000
gribble: Error: "ask" is not a valid command.
TomServo: ;;asks 1000
gribble: Bitstamp | There are currently 16281.08 bitcoins offered at or under 1000.0 USD, worth 11260010.2607 USD in total. | Data vintage: 44.9684 seconds
mircea_popescu: i guess the old format went the way of mtgox huh ?
mike_c: ;;market buy 1000
gribble: Bitstamp | A market order to buy 1000 bitcoins right now would take 597548.5269 USD and would take the last price up to 598.8300 USD, resulting in an average price of 597.5485 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 100.1576 seconds
mircea_popescu: ;;market buy 10000
gribble: Bitstamp | A market order to buy 10000 bitcoins right now would take 6302846.6123 USD and would take the last price up to 665.0500 USD, resulting in an average price of 630.2847 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 118.0073 seconds
mircea_popescu: ;;market buy 500000
gribble: Bitstamp | This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 18670.792 bitcoins, for a total of 18722522.1011 USD and take the price to 99999.9900. | Data vintage: 0.0322 seconds
mike_c: ;;market baratio
gribble: Bitstamp | Total bids: 8580122 USD. Total asks: 18670 BTC. Ratio: 459.54787 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 75.6874 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00083897 = 15.9404 BTC [-] {2}
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assbot: Let’s pretend… pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
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mike_c: ah, that makes sense. thanks. the key difference being that they can fuck with the gold price on a larger scale by "printing" gold. and this is what justusranvier was saying about coinbase, that maybe they are printing bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: he pretty much got it, yes. he's a smart cookie.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, they can't really print b itcoin unless someone lets them.
mircea_popescu: which is really a very precarious base.
mike_c: yeah. like right now germany is mad about the US printing gold, but can't do much about it.
mircea_popescu: well inasmuch as they fell for a scam, neiher could the coinbase customers
mircea_popescu: however, it WOULD be marked as a scam.
mircea_popescu: random person with a coinbase wallet doesn't have all the other wires tied on germany has.
mike_c: but germany (or other powerful entity) wouldn't get their bitcoin from coinbase, so this scam doesn't work for BTC.
mircea_popescu: and by powerfull we mean in this context.. pretend powerful.
mircea_popescu: "take a walk around me. go ahead. found anything ?"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00083833 = 10.6468 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1175 @ 0.00242609 = 2.8507 BTC [-] {13}
asciilifeform curses 'ebay' with strongest voodoo.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski <pete_dushenski> but we're losing our voices over here << leave it to the professionals :D :D :D :D
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform buys a nice little cnc vertical milling machine - next day, ebay account of vendor (in as far as can be told, reputable, old;) is cancelled. no recourse.
mircea_popescu: no refund ?
mike_c: call bitcoin and initiate a chargeback.
asciilifeform: possibly refund one day, if paypal feels like it
asciilifeform: 500 usd sacrificed to the spamg0dz
mike_c: who would have thought spammers were selling milling machines?
asciilifeform: mike_c: nope. the spammers sell payment mechanisms and run auction sites...
mike_c: heh. true.
asciilifeform: the junkyard man will never see the 500 either.
mircea_popescu: odd tho.
ThickAsThieves: ;;market buy 30000
gribble: Bitstamp | This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 18913.613 bitcoins, for a total of 18863721.0835 USD and take the price to 99999.9900. | Data vintage: 0.0235 seconds
asciilifeform: small change for the fraud machine, though. why didn't they cancel the account of some fellow selling a truck, or a jet engine
BigBitz: small market is small ThickAsThieves.
mike_c: ;;market obip 10000
gribble: Bitstamp | The weighted average price of BTC, 10000.0 coins up and down from the spread, is 581.65632 USD. | Data vintage: 84.6930 seconds
ben_vulpes: <ThickAsThieves> i saw this picture of a bunch of Canadian red/white maple leaf ATMs form Cavirtex, I wonder if maybe those stockholders from Havelock might get something something outta things in the end... << a) cavirtex is desperate for profit b) doubtful havelock holders are going to get anything as they've been delisted, right?
ThickAsThieves: well you could claim your HL shares IRL
ThickAsThieves: they didnt just delete them
ben_vulpes: somehow i suspect david joseph thinks that money is his and he'll be extremely reluctant to let any of it slip his grasp.
ben_vulpes: this is the man who's trying to leverage himself into the role of canadian bitcoin regulator, after all.
justusranvier: What's Joseph David up to this time? He's the primary reason I originally started a blog. http://bitcoinism.liberty.me/2013/06/27/i-love-the-smell-of-crony-capitalism-in-the-morning/
assbot: I Love the Smell of Crony Capitalism in the Morning
ben_vulpes: that's what all the ETFs are about as well, aren't they.
ben_vulpes: i had no idea.
asciilifeform: in other news - got the 500 back. but, wanted the widget, not the 500...
mike_c: that was quick. they must read the logs.
BigBitz: !up joesmoe
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.0008347 = 6.0098 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00084067 = 5.1701 BTC [+] {2}
joesmoe: hello world
mike_c: hello joe.
fluffypony: joesmoe!
joesmoe: heya
joesmoe: how's it going fluffypony
fluffypony: joesmoe: not too bad, your side?
joesmoe: pretty good, launching some more ATMs in the very near future.
kakobrekla: got any atm usage stats
fluffypony: neato
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 60 @ 0.0114 = 0.684 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 231 @ 0.00240071 = 0.5546 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.01499999 = 0.75 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.2749999 = 0.55 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 548 @ 0.00235176 = 1.2888 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 804 @ 0.00234948 = 1.889 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 907 @ 0.00231999 = 2.1042 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: Genome Biology | Full text | The Kardashian index: a measure of discrepant social media profile for scientists
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 455 @ 0.00195 = 0.8873 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.0008365 = 20.2433 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 380 @ 0.00185064 = 0.7032 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: Sino-Forest CFO fined $700,000 and banned from boards in settlement with Ontario Securities Commission | Financial Post
punkman: cheap
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 531 @ 0.00172622 = 0.9166 BTC [-] {4}
ben_vulpes: http://www.muddywatersresearch.com/track-record/ << bitcoin scams don't even register. NASDAQ $23 -> $1.7
assbot: Track Record | Muddy Waters Research
punkman: "An 8-month, $50 million investigation into MW’s allegations by TRE’s board of directors was inconclusive, largely because senior management lied to investigators, who were not able to verify a majority of the company’s timber assets."
punkman: lol
assbot: The Visual Microphone: Passive Recovery of Sound from Video - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8982 @ 0.00083695 = 7.5175 BTC [+]
assbot: Algorithm recovers speech from vibrations of potato-chip bag filmed through soundproof glass
ben_vulpes: spycraft's included putting a laser beam against a window and backing sound waves out of that for a while now.
los_pantalones: yes, ty for reading before commenting
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 500 @ 0.00193997 = 0.97 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1333 @ 0.00183657 = 2.4481 BTC [-] {3}
ben_vulpes: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/08/laughter-can-heal.html "borderline pedophilic academics...sleeping with their students" << oh i see sub .8*$YOUR_AGE is now pedophilic. mhm.
assbot: ClubOrlov: Laughter can heal
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: note that it was a guest article
asciilifeform: good example of the sort of people orlov associates with...
ben_vulpes: i did note.
ben_vulpes: "Where in the world (outside of Taliban-controlled parts of Afghanistan) do fifty-year old men routinely get to mate with twenty-year-old women? " oh gosh
asciilifeform: arguably that piece is the female mirror image of the 'incel' material.
asciilifeform: 'oh noez, the rich grey men want to fuck beautiful women, Something Must Be Done'
ben_vulpes: "Other older men simply admit they can’t get it off with their own saggy, wrinkly peers. (This, by the way, is simply nature's way of telling them that it's time to stop breeding)."
ben_vulpes: sounds apt to me, asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: this whole article is an exercise in convincing the writer that her lifestyle is right and good and that the rest of the world is Doing It Incorrectly.
ben_vulpes: honey if the rest of the world disagrees, who the fuck are you again?
ben_vulpes: *sigh* okay apache ain't gon configure itself
mike_c: nginx does. and makes dinner.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1000 @ 0.00189999 = 1.9 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: my name in Dota 2 is Bitcoin-Assets and I killed an opponent named Doge
ben_vulpes: lol mike zing and logoff
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1185 @ 0.001802 = 2.1354 BTC [-] {11}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00083608 = 6.0198 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: ThickAsThieves: baller
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 441 @ 0.00174906 = 0.7713 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.27589983 = 2.759 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18807 @ 0.000835 = 15.7038 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1000 @ 0.0019 = 1.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 500 @ 0.00198 = 0.99 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: dolar blue actually fell last week?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1250 @ 0.00083409 = 1.0426 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: http://zenarchery.com/2014/08/everyone-i-know-is-brokenhearted/ << americans are starting to wake up, i think.
assbot: Everyone I know is brokenhearted. | Zenarchery
ben_vulpes: "Gen X talked a lot about the revolution, and then went and got themselves some venture capital and started laying into place the oversaturated, paranoid world we live in now. A lot of them tried to tell themselves they were still punk as fuck, but it’s hard to morally reconcile the thing where you listen to Fugazi on the way to your job where you help find new ways to trick people into giving up their data to advertisers. Most people
ben_vulpes: don’t even bother. They just compartmentalize."
ben_vulpes: "But the world changed again. And kept changing. So now you’ve got this degree that’s worth fuck-all, a house that’s worth more as scrap lumber than as a substantial investment, and you’re either going to lose your job or have to do the work of two people, because there’s a recession on. Except they keep saying the recession ended, so why are you still working twice as hard for the same amount of money?"
thestringpuller: ;;google cartman buys amusement park
gribble: Cartmanland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartmanland>; Cartmanland - Full Episode - Season 05 - Ep 06 | South Park Studios: <http://southpark.cc.com/full-episodes/s05e06-cartmanland>; "South Park" Cartmanland (TV Episode 2001) - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0705906/>
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: ^^^
ben_vulpes: "In an ideal world, Kim Kardashian would have spent her life getting sport-fucked anonymously by hip-hop stars in some Bel Air mansion, ran a salon, and either died of a coke overdose or Botox poisoning."
Duffer1: ouch
asciilifeform: 'You actually know who Kim Kardashian is.'
asciilifeform: (presumably pr0n star)
ben_vulpes: ;;ud waterhead
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=waterhead | The waterhead usually thinks he is the best worker and that he has a really nice smile. He drools a lot. He will try to get his nonretarded coworkers fired.
ben_vulpes: close. whore for the great satan at the v. least.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3029 @ 0.00185999 = 5.6339 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: ;;ud chickenhead
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=chickenhead | chicken head. Background: used primarly in male circles, with strong ties to hip- hop culture. often used in rap music to describe groupies. Definition: NOUN
thestringpuller: For some reason I think those two slang terms are related on some level.
ben_vulpes: kinda proximate
ben_vulpes: how've you been, thestringpuller ?
ben_vulpes: and srs - why the move?
thestringpuller: oh it won't be utnil next year
thestringpuller: because the killing has won me over
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.27780281 = 0.8334 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: seattle is dope man. I love climates that are rainy all the fucking time
thestringpuller: that shit is fucking dope to me. i just love the rain man, i dunno
thestringpuller: and also I am an asthmatic with bad allergies. i have a feeling when I step off the plane I'll breathe like I've never breathed before!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: re: 'broken hearted' article: what a psychiatric marvel. note where he bashes his gov. for not confiscating privately owned small arms quickly enough for his liking - and then goes on with some crap about 'rage is necessary component... stop being well-behaved'
ben_vulpes: much self-contradiction. it's the lot of the nearly-enlightened under the USG.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 407 @ 0.00198414 = 0.8075 BTC [+] {4}
asciilifeform: 'William Gibson future where you can live like a stainless steel rat...' << this fellow ever read books ?
asciilifeform: ;;google the stainless steel rat
gribble: The Stainless Steel Rat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Stainless_Steel_Rat>; The Stainless Steel Rat - Amazon.com: <http://www.amazon.com/The-Stainless-Steel-Rat-Series/dp/1441881093>; The Stainless Steel Rat - Goodreads: <http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/64394.The_Stainless_Steel_Rat>
ben_vulpes: probably not as many as you
asciilifeform: but that was thrown in there for the same reason as kardashian. almost like he's got a checklist of traditional american cultural markers.
ben_vulpes: he's an american - what do you want?
asciilifeform: recall how mircea_popescu once posted some examples of spam where the spam-meister forgot to actually fill in the spam-generator 'mad libs' and posted raw form ?
asciilifeform: {this|or|that} syntax
ben_vulpes: yes...
asciilifeform: the 'broken heart' thing reads quite like that.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23350 @ 0.00083976 = 19.6084 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: smorgasbord of cultural touchpoints is the best some people can do!
thestringpuller: ;;define
gribble: Error: "define" is not a valid command.
thestringpuller: ;;google smorgasbord
gribble: Smörgåsbord - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sm%C3%B6rg%C3%A5sbord>; Smorgasbord - Merriam-Webster Online: <http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/smorgasbord>; Smorgasburg | A Brooklyn Flea Food Market: <http://www.smorgasburg.com/>
thestringpuller: damn I wish we had ;;define
ben_vulpes: ;;ud smorgasbord
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=smorgasbord | A smorgasbord is typically a lunch buffet-style meal containing hors d'oeuvrs, hot and cold meats, smoked and pickled fish, cheese, salads, and relishes.
thestringpuller: niggas...
ben_vulpes: s/p down 3% over the month, MPOE flat.
mod6: And the music sucks. Dear God, the music sucks. << lol, this
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1001 @ 0.00242338 = 2.4258 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10777 @ 0.00083625 = 9.0123 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla> got any atm usage stats << that joesmoe
thestringpuller: mod6 = %6
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> http://www.muddywatersresearch.com/track-record/ << bitcoin scams don't even register. NASDAQ $23 -> $1.7 << fiat is not as well managed as bitcoin is.
assbot: Track Record | Muddy Waters Research
mircea_popescu: after all, the sec does fiat.
dignork: people still amaze me: SAML integration, guy sends me his-certicicate.pem #facedeskpalm
thestringpuller: dignork: the firm I work for is doing SAML integration too
thestringpuller: Similar stories. Glad it's not an isolated thing XD
dignork: thestringpuller: how many pems did ya got? :)
thestringpuller: about 3-4
thestringpuller: I'm not on that project tho
thestringpuller: but we hear about it a lot during the status updates
ben_vulpes: ;;isitdown blockchain.info
gribble: blockchain.info is up
thestringpuller: i don't think anything is in production yet though
dignork: i'm doing it for a friend, but all this spec looks overcomplicated as shit, and thus probably buggy exploitable
mircea_popescu: <assbot> Algorithm recovers speech from vibrations of potato-chip bag filmed through soundproof glass << impressive hh
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes> "Where in the world (outside of Taliban-controlled parts of Afghanistan) do fifty-year old men routinely get to mate with twenty-year-old women? " oh gosh <<< everywhere ?
mircea_popescu: wtf is wrong with this nutso reddit ageism thing ?
mircea_popescu: where the fuck do twentysomething males get to mate with twentysomething females is more the question, outside of like... us collegiate lalaland.
ben_vulpes: but that's what the world is supposed to look like. as in middle school, so in high school, college and so on and so forth.
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> honey if the rest of the world disagrees, who the fuck are you again? << she's SWAIA! Someone with an internet acct!
mircea_popescu: and she dun hate the game, she hate da playa!
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves> my name in Dota 2 is Bitcoin-Assets and I killed an opponent named Doge << lol let the permanent record reflect this. in duplicate.
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> dolar blue actually fell last week? << yes, from 12.5ish to 12.8ish
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> "In an ideal world, Kim Kardashian would have spent her life getting sport-fucked anonymously by hip-hop stars in some Bel Air mansion, ran a salon, and either died of a coke overdose or Botox poisoning." << this "ideal" world is actually the world. i dunno what this new shit the kids got going post 2000 is supposed to be, but it ain';t a world in *any* sense
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 'You actually know who Kim Kardashian is.' << nice ass turkic-type girl.
Vexual: Asicminer co. sales dept turned attempted equipment assembler, Rcokminer, dumps stock ahead of of new block eruptor somsumer model.
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> smorgasbord of cultural touchpoints is the best some people can do! < < actually i think it's how you get the top marks in women's colleges.
assbot: An Israeli web poll asks what Obama should get for his birthday. 48 percent say "ebola." - Vox
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3300 @ 0.00207183 = 6.837 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: i'd rather he survives into an old old age so we can showtrial him and send him to prison pinochet style.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, with this latest outbreak roughly half are surviving. Ebola is no longer incompatible with a long life.
mircea_popescu: there's something right about making very old representatives of failure cry on camera.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1673 @ 0.00083976 = 1.4049 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: In the year 2054, the entire defense budget will purchase just one tactical aircraft. This aircraft will have to be shared by the Air Force and Navy 3½ days each per week except for leap year, when it will be made available to the Marines for the extra day."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00083987 = 5.2912 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Is thinking now obsolete?
assbot: Google reveals ‘child-porn user’
ben_vulpes: "Police say Google detected explicit images of a young girl in an email that John Henry Skillern was sending to a friend, the company then alerted authorities."
mircea_popescu: parallel construction
ben_vulpes: should probably start spamming every public person's gmail with images off the cp list.
mircea_popescu: s getting more and more parallel by now huih
mircea_popescu: either that or stop believing what liars say.
ben_vulpes: and why stop there for that matter? do it to everyone, and blow the whole system apart. similar to the autogriefing of twitter and facebook.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: do it to everyone, and blow the whole system << thousand prisoners, one machine-gunner. who wants to go first.
mircea_popescu: i dont get that.
mircea_popescu: he didn't mean for him to do it himself, he meant for me to do it. da fuck are they going to do, be very butthurt ?
mircea_popescu: never let business insider publish an article extolling mpex ever again ?
asciilifeform: if answer is 'we'll all go first', we have a winner. e.g., treblinka uprising.
mircea_popescu: how about the way this historically worked ?
mircea_popescu: ie, one day teh nazis just scurry like rats, by noon stukas all over the sky ?
mircea_popescu: no wait stuka's the wrong one
mircea_popescu: what did the russians fly, Amplified Bathtub - 1 ?
mircea_popescu: no that was the tank. hm.
mircea_popescu: petliakov ?
asciilifeform: 'flying tank'
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 220 @ 0.00238979 = 0.5258 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46716 @ 0.00083426 = 38.9733 BTC [-] {4}
BingoBoingo: IRS Speak >> "…public works must serve a community. Open source licensing ensures the Tools are accessible to the world. We have not found any authority for the proposition that the world is a community within the meaning of § 501(c)(3)."
BingoBoingo: …public works must serve a community. Open source licensing ensures the Tools are accessible to the world. We have not found any authority for the proposition that the world is a community within the meaning of § 501(c)(3).
assbot: Page not found | Jim Nelson / Yorba blog archives
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18534 @ 0.00083329 = 15.4442 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: WarOfLife (S.WOL), July 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: s.wol is carrying a lot of capital, but i think rather than pay dividends it's probably wider to just hold on to it for a little.
mircea_popescu: f.mpif if making very little on its outlay, but i think it'll stick supporting wol for a while longer.
thestringpuller: cartoon makers are geniuses
thestringpuller: ;;google el gringo pussy gato
gribble: West of the Pesos - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_of_the_Pesos>; Speedy Gonzales - quando la topa chiama - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIeT7naQO84>; Venezuelan Archives Gil's Thrilling (And Filling) Blog: <http://www.nmgastronome.com/?cat=564>
mike_c: well, i guess making dust for mpif was better than losing dust for mpif.
mod6: thestringpuller: what up
ben_vulpes: so return on capital is like zero in btc?
mircea_popescu: mike_c word.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes like .1% a month.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1.0001 ^ 12
gribble: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1.0001 ** 12
gribble: 1.00120066022
kakobrekla: so little, even compounding fails.
mircea_popescu: first month tho, how many businesses show a clear hundred in their first month.
ben_vulpes: this leads to an interesting problem for the btc-denominated tech company manager: how do i spend as little as possible on ongoing development while still keeping things up and moving forwards?
kakobrekla: ah, i was thinking whole mpif including my small part.
kakobrekla: ben_vulpes bread and water.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla nah that's coming in a few.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes yes.
mircea_popescu: the future is once again to the frugal.
mike_c: ben_vulpes: the tech company manager writes more code themself.
kakobrekla: and everything takes what it takes ^4
kakobrekla: timewise.
ben_vulpes: okay so i guess move to somalia then
mike_c: hm, it takes longer, but not that much longer. because you are faster than whoever you'd hire to do it.
kakobrekla: shutup.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 199 @ 0.00309995 = 0.6169 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: erm.... i wasnt literal.
ben_vulpes: trollface.png
BingoBoingo: !s Idiocracy
mike_c: you can't tell me to shaddup. i do what i want!
dignork: mircea_popescu: as an expert in nothing, the writing is "only xyz's cock" , xyz is probably a happy owner
mircea_popescu: dignork wait wut ?
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> erm.... i wasnt literal. <<< lmao
dignork: +mircea_popescu | and for the conlang experts : wtf's this say ? // only daddy's cock
mircea_popescu: oh oh ty.
BingoBoingo: dignork> http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m02mbnkHcY1r9mubdo1_500.jpg << She prolly ought to see a doctor about that cyst in her natal cleft
mircea_popescu: til BingoBoingo hates clits.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: No, I'm takling the inflamed swollen red thing above the second D in Daddy.
dignork: BingoBoingo: destroyer of magic/killer of ponies
mircea_popescu: that's not a cyst, that's normal.
thestringpuller: only if I wasn't in a bar
thestringpuller: i could open that link
mircea_popescu: you can open it in a bar too
mircea_popescu: make sure coupla sluts can see it
mircea_popescu: it's called proof of slut.
mircea_popescu: no wait. of stroke.
mircea_popescu: no no, SOCIAL proof.
thestringpuller: I'm no pick up artist
thestringpuller: I'm just trynna get work done man.
thestringpuller: IRC help the brain juices move more quickly.
thestringpuller: and this is a bar of middle aged people
thestringpuller: middle aged sluts scare me
thestringpuller: not ageist or anything, just seems to be the general pattern
mircea_popescu: middle aged sluts are teh best sluts what.
thestringpuller: yes as they tell you about how they have to pick up their kids from school soon as you fuck them during guiding light
thestringpuller: i don't think that kind of slut will ever appeal to me
dignork: thestringpuller: acquired taste i suppose
mircea_popescu: "how you doing ? " "busy" "so come over" "oh baby i can't, gotta drop off the kid to ballet class" "so drop her off to her ballet class and come over for a ballet class of your own" "mmmmmmm okay"
dignork: mircea_popescu: that pic should be used as CAPTCHA somewhere
mircea_popescu: dignork you now know reason #48768459 my write-on-tits thing is valuable. don't tell asciilifeform :)))
Vexual: Oh, Daddy, I thought it was an irish thing
mircea_popescu: mpif report is out. apparently this month we lost almost a whole bitcoin SOMEHOW
mircea_popescu: teh managers plus all teh specialists pls to look into it make sure there's no mistakes ty.
mircea_popescu: "a while back i finally figured out what makes a good relationship." << from, of course, reddit.
thestringpuller: penguirker: is slow
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021715 B (Total: 474.87 B). Delta: -0.41 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021999 BTC [+]
Vexual: It might say Paddy, they look like rosary beads
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00083312 = 12.9967 BTC [-]
mike_c: hmm. http://trilema.com/2014/bitbet-sbbet-july-2014-statement/ bitbet paid mpif .8 satoshis in interest.
assbot: BitBet (S.BBET) July 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mike_c: srsly i would kick in for an offical b-a accountant.
mike_c: bitbet profit includes partial satoshis too :)
mike_c: !mpif
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021699 B (Total: 474.52 B). Delta: 0.00 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021999 BTC [+]
mike_c: another month, a clean slate. good luck managers!
Vexual: and remember luckies, good management
Vexual: what are gracious donations to shareholders? re bitbet
BingoBoingo: Vexual: People who send bets on things that have already been closed.
Vexual: ie drunks
BingoBoingo: Nah, leeches
Vexual: some kinda fuckup
BingoBoingo: Because often this means the condition to satisfy the bet has already happened
Vexual: bitbet seems to run quite efficiently
BingoBoingo: Indeed
Vexual: %nethash
mircea_popescu: and he left ?
Vexual: whats 1th do to atc?
Vexual: mikec?
Vexual: presumably hes off being efficient
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> srsly i would kick in for an offical b-a accountant. <<< me too. sadly...
mircea_popescu: ;;seen smickles
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 7 weeks, 6 days, 22 hours, 12 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <smickles> easily a few more bil in things like BPOs and BPCs
mircea_popescu: ;;seen pierre_rochard
gribble: pierre_rochard was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 4 days, 3 hours, 30 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: <Pierre_Rochard> mircea_popescu: ah, well I’ll myself out then
mircea_popescu: we're not doing too good for accountants somehow.
mircea_popescu: anyone got one ?
Vexual: not a cheap one
kakobrekla: pierre was an accountant?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla afaik.
kakobrekla: !s well I’ll myself out then
kakobrekla: weird.
Vexual: pankakke might be a good acct
mircea_popescu: i thought he was a coder.
Vexual: he doesnt miss a trick
Vexual: it might be beneath him, but with his charting it might be mutually beneficial
Vexual: im not trying to belittle accountants, but in my experience, there are two kinds, and you prolly need a third
nam-shub: I know a guy that sends numbers to accountants all day -- he desperately wants more bitcoin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3506 @ 0.00083323 = 2.9213 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: nam-shub hm ?
nam-shub: I know a guy who can assemble random financial transactions for consumption by the accounting community. more or less in an automated fashion. (There was a discussion prior about a b-a accountant.)
nam-shub: this guy I know takes bitcoin
Vexual: does he give advice or do what he's told?
nam-shub: often gives advice and is told what to do instead
Vexual: lol
nam-shub: but generally just does what he's told
peterl: mircea_popescu: your MPOE report mentioned a new advertising listing, has this been discussed here?
peterl: is it going to be called S.AD?
BingoBoingo: !up The20YearIRCloud
mircea_popescu: peterl nah, s.van. it's been discussed, some pople are alphaing it.
The20YearIRCloud: what shall i talk about
ben_vulpes: The20YearIRCloud: how'd the con call go?
asciilifeform: s.van? why not s.wagen
peterl: ok, I'll keep digging through the logs some more
The20YearIRCloud: Pretty good, no complaints, everyone was excited about the news, not happy about the complaint or two I got on the forum afterwards, but then I can't please everyone it seems
mircea_popescu: so when i release this latest letter from stan, i think some people's brains will pop.
Vexual: alovakistan!
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> s.van? why not s.wagen << nice.
asciilifeform: my brain popped, only fair that other folks' should also.
Vexual: a furious fit in the shit pit from a mick dick, trying to make her slit chink
The20YearIRCloud: Hoping the bank gets approval soon for us, that way we can go onto this student housing project soon
Vexual: ^thats for you fluffypony
ben_vulpes: ;;yivkrtticker
gribble: Error: "yivkrtticker" is not a valid command.
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud what were teh complaints ?
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 583.98, Best ask: 583.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 583.98, 24 hour volume: 5577.83784841, 24 hour low: 581.8, 24 hour high: 595.7, 24 hour vwap: 0
ben_vulpes: !t h rent
assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00350105 / 0.00395441 / 0.00419693 (257 shares, 1.01628376 BTC), 7D: 0.00305500 / 0.00384313 / 0.00420000 (4507 shares, 17.32100546 BTC), 30D: 0.00305500 / 0.00413516 / 0.00540000 (12285 shares, 50.80045884 BTC)
The20YearIRCloud: mircea_popescu: that I haven't been responding recently to all the accusations against myself and or the choices I've made
The20YearIRCloud: At least , I think that's what they were about, one notable one was my choice of director for the HK corporation we have, and the other was complaints about a website I started 5 years ago
ben_vulpes: quite the investors you've got.
mircea_popescu: o, you had a hk corp ?
The20YearIRCloud: Those were accusations made by a 3rd party against us
The20YearIRCloud: Yes, in order to try and be SEC complaint, all the shares go through a HK holding corporation
The20YearIRCloud: exchange>HK corp>US LLC
peterl: I don't think the RENT forum complaints come from investors
The20YearIRCloud: None do, however in this case I had a investor complain because I wasn't addressing the concerns from those individuals
Vexual: if i was an invextor id ask when the growth might arrive
The20YearIRCloud: Even though I explained to them it creates liability on my end because unless what I say goes through atty review, it opens the company up to liability.
The20YearIRCloud: And that's what investors should be concerned about : Timeframes, equity statements, income projections
Vexual: well, whers the new funding then?
The20YearIRCloud: Hopefully next week
Vexual: who?
The20YearIRCloud: We have preliminary approval finally from a lender who offered us pretty attractive terms, and the setup is essentially open-ended
Vexual: is it reasonable to realease info here?
The20YearIRCloud: Yeah , it's a 100k line of credit @ 5% or so and interest only payments, we use LOC to go out and buy new properties, rehab them then refinance the property to cashout the LOC
The20YearIRCloud: The refinance is prime + 2% as a commercial mortgage to our LLC, which is a pretty decent rate. The big benefit compared to just going out and refinancing all the properties at once is that the investors essentially won't see any decreases in the small dividends that they're getting now, only growth.
Vexual: i know all that
Vexual: why are your good ol boys so slow at fising a house?
Vexual: *fixing
The20YearIRCloud: Because we pay them 1/2 the rate that the fast contractors charge :D
Vexual: are they better?
The20YearIRCloud: On top of that, i've had to make the choice between quick repairs and losing them to other firms, and giving them all the work they can handle at a slower pace. They prefer working for me over other crews, but in order to speed up the rehab time, I have to hire more people. The more people I hire without a big budget, the higher the chance of regular layoffs
The20YearIRCloud: which make workers find work elsewhere
Vexual: but you have a crew you employ on a permenant basis?
The20YearIRCloud: Yes, they're fantastic. Right now we employ 2 guys full time who are doing virtually everything associated with repair/renovation
asciilifeform: enlighten me re: 'rent' setup. if i recall, the properties all cost five-figure usd sums... why would anyone rent these ? (that is, who is so poor to rent vs. buy a mud shack like this, but could still make timely rent?)
The20YearIRCloud: Yes, and that's why rehab is so slow, becuase they both have families, and my preference is not to give them a income rollercoaster
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
peterl: me! I rent
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asciilifeform: peterl: i also rent. but not mud shack.
The20YearIRCloud: asciilifeform: in our area, the median home value is around $100k, most of the properties we have are worth around $75k or so after rehab, so they're not really bad houses. Most of our renters have small-ish incomes and they don't want to mess with repairs
Vexual: well they might want a kick in the rectum wehn you ge some more cahs
The20YearIRCloud: Most people I've talked to don't have the cash outlay to fix say a $4k roof when the time comes, and they make the choice of renting so someone else has to deal with it.
The20YearIRCloud: Outside of the multi-family properties we have that we haven't been able to renovate, all our properties are very nice
peterl: currently US banks require a large down payment to get a mortgage, USians have no savings, therefore they can't buy a house
asciilifeform: peterl: and, i imagine plenty of the ones who can - would rather be shot
The20YearIRCloud: Correct, and many don't have good credit either, most americans can't manage their money
The20YearIRCloud: The last house we bought was $23k, and it is in fantastic shape - New electric, new plumbing, ~1200sf and the woodwork throughout is from 1890
cazalla: 75k for a house, that's just the deposit in this suburb :\
asciilifeform: 75k buys, perhaps, a garage here.
The20YearIRCloud: Not all areas like that - In our area, $175k-$200k will get you 3000-4000 finished square feet
The20YearIRCloud: One house I worked with sold at $155k and was over 6,000 finished square feet, came with a full granite wet bar in the basement with a walking sauna
Vexual: re bullshit
assbot: Malpidity | Bingo Blog
Vexual: you couldn't flip a house if it was already upside down
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Thank you
The20YearIRCloud: what do you mean Vexual ?
Vexual: prove me wrong
The20YearIRCloud: I don't understand the question
Vexual: got a sheet of foolscap?
The20YearIRCloud: Not on me
The20YearIRCloud: You're talking about the paper size, correct?
Vexual: any paper will do
Vexual: i thought you were an olschool accountant
The20YearIRCloud: Nope, i'm not oldschool anything I can think of, unless you're into ww2 stuff :D
Vexual: protip: you'll need a pencil
The20YearIRCloud: Yeah, i've got notebook paper here
Vexual: ok draw house
The20YearIRCloud: mircea_popescu: that article is scary
Vexual: what next
The20YearIRCloud: I've drawn a house
Vexual: this is the part where you do something
mircea_popescu: which one ?
The20YearIRCloud: BingoBoingo's article about malpidity
The20YearIRCloud: I still can't grasp what you're doing unfortunately Vexual
BingoBoingo: The20YearIRCloud: Vexual is a Markov Chain
The20YearIRCloud: are you kidding me?
BingoBoingo: Maybe?
Vexual: no
mthreat: i have a theory that everyone is a markov chain, but some of us are larger chains than others
mircea_popescu: mthreat by the way, you coming to that thing wed ?
The20YearIRCloud: I've never met a markov chain that put reasonable responses together
mthreat: mircea_popescu: which thing
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud i take it you don't read vexual
mircea_popescu: mthreat coffee chat thing
Vexual: now kick those good old boys hard just behind the balls and turn the paper 180
mthreat: mircea_popescu: oh, hmm not sure. i'm actually working for a local startup. I'm a working stiff again.
BingoBoingo: !up The20YearIRCloud
mircea_popescu: they have local start-ups ?!
The20YearIRCloud: i need to get my vpn up again so I can auth at home
The20YearIRCloud: Let it be known - I tried to explain company concepts to a bot
mthreat: mircea_popescu: if I can make it, i'll be there. Ya, just working in the afternoons right now, for a month test
assbot: Page not found | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
BingoBoingo: Ah, will fix nao
mthreat: mircea_popescu: michelle will be there
mthreat: pleese
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud a better looking michelle.
The20YearIRCloud: rodriguez?
mircea_popescu: "I'm not surprised you get along well with all the other neighbours. If you put fifty children with Down's syndrome in a room there is going to be a lot of hugging." << hawthorne should be quoted more often.
mthreat: ya michelle rodriguez is hot alright
BingoBoingo: Indeed he should be
The20YearIRCloud: that's the first famous michelle that came to mind
mircea_popescu: i had no idea she existed.
mthreat: mircea_popescu: who, michelle rodriguez? don't you watch fast & furious movies??
mircea_popescu: what are those ?
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