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asciilifeform: sucks for the aficionados.
mircea_popescu: twas kinda dead anyway. us moving to a new puritan paradigm. gays made it, bdsm-ers did not.
mircea_popescu: such a soviet.
asciilifeform: somebody's gotta be lowered into pederasty. what kind of russian prison can you run without this.
mircea_popescu: who was doing bitcoinj again ?
mircea_popescu: !up Blazedout419
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I believe Hearn does bitcoinJ
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the response from the op is... http://collarspace.com/
assbot: LadyTerra15877 ree. no cost, no obligation. It might be the most important thing youdo this year ! 
mircea_popescu: new domain, nary a word. the end.
asciilifeform: who's surprised?
mircea_popescu: tbh i was kinda expectring moar drama, but hey.
mircea_popescu: they don't have a bitcoin price to pump up
Mats_cd03: new domain but the site sucks; lots of whitespace to my right on a 4:3 screen
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22623 @ 0.00082177 = 18.5909 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18277 @ 0.00082059 = 14.9979 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 592.0, Best ask: 592.2, Bid-ask spread: 0.20000, Last trade: 592.2, 24 hour volume: 9345.60777045, 24 hour low: 552.11, 24 hour high: 597.0, 24 hour vwap: 574.809383939
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28508 @ 0.00082979 = 23.6557 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4952 @ 0.00083193 = 4.1197 BTC [+]
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 436334.06 in 875 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -39.01
thestringpuller: shit's gonna plummet
mircea_popescu: iirc it's usually at -70%
thestringpuller: it has to go up sometimes?
Apocalyptic: it did somthing like +400% at the previous diff periode
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 30 @ 0.0299999 = 0.9 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 43 @ 0.20618858 = 8.8661 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 68 @ 0.2005441 = 13.637 BTC [-] {8}
mircea_popescu: goes up 400% in like 3 days, then -70% over, predictably, fourish weeks
mircea_popescu: consequently, it spends most time at -70%
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9761 @ 0.00082185 = 8.0221 BTC [-]
Apocalyptic: ;;later tell bitstein interesting essay, thank you
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33500 @ 0.00081935 = 27.4482 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24447 @ 0.00082244 = 20.1062 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24000 @ 0.00081935 = 19.6644 BTC [-]
FabianB: kakobrekla: can i get a wiki account for bot documentation?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 148 @ 0.07299964 = 10.8039 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07299957 = 0.803 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00081935 = 2.4581 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07185598 = 0.5748 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.21699945 = 0.868 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9741 @ 0.00008957 = 0.8725 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10224 @ 0.00009919 = 1.0141 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27537 @ 0.00081956 = 22.5682 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07120222 = 0.712 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0701102 = 0.7011 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.06983312 = 1.1173 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 60 @ 0.06802194 = 4.0813 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 46 @ 0.066666 = 3.0666 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 57 @ 0.0295 = 1.6815 BTC [-] {3}
benkay: pretty sure i just did the biggest whole-app refactor of my life.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 22 @ 0.0295 = 0.649 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00081873 = 18.9945 BTC [-] {3}
benkay: i have learned so much...veritably do i reel from the things i have now taught myself to never do again
jurov: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 306088 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 343 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 0 hours, 8 minutes, and 25 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 13114734304.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 11.55256
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10163 @ 0.00081745 = 8.3077 BTC [-] {2}
pankkake: The overwhelming evidence for the past year is that even if Ken Slaughter had good intention to produce miners, doing so was beyond his skill and organizational level and he soon began lying to us all.
pankkake: just what I told them months ago, as "why it's a scam"
pankkake: I have contacted MSD and am providng them with copies of emails in which Ken Slaughter made all sorts of promises to me. I have enough in the correspondence he wrote me to nail him to a wall.
pankkake: Earlier on, when Ken Slaughter needed money, he would write long emails to people.
pankkake: Luckily, I saved it all and it will all be forwarded to Mr. Johnson.
pankkake: I'd really like to see those emails
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3658 @ 0.00081578 = 2.9841 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 19 @ 0.02984209 = 0.567 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14892 @ 0.00081998 = 12.2111 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.06998415 = 1.3997 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.0719999 = 3.6 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19164 @ 0.0008166 = 15.6493 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24136 @ 0.00082224 = 19.8456 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 25 @ 0.08 = 2 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7514 @ 0.00081506 = 6.1244 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00081983 = 10.0839 BTC [+]
davout: kakobrekla: so what was the answer wrt the http://bitbet.us/bet/826/bitcoin-central-out-of-business-in-2014/ resolution in the case there is only a rebranding, and trading happens at paymium.com ?
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin-Central out of business in 2014 :: 0.37 B (4%) on Yes, 10.09 B (96%) on No | closing in 6 months 1 week| weight: 80`628 (100`000 to 1)
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00082396 = 14.0073 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Log In - The New York Times
punkman: too bad they didn't start their own university
punkman: ;;later tell BingoBoingo this might interest you http://i.imgur.com/R0vZeC3.png
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 1200 @ 0.000451 = 0.5412 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.07114285 = 0.996 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7050 @ 0.00082323 = 5.8038 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69283 @ 0.000827 = 57.297 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39500 @ 0.0008296 = 32.7692 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 14 @ 0.23511045 = 3.2915 BTC [+] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.24283427 = 1.6998 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19128 @ 0.00082899 = 15.8569 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21518 @ 0.00082323 = 17.7143 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: ;;later tell artifexd yes
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kakobrekla: ;;later tell FabianB yes
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kakobrekla: ;;late tell davout no fuckin clue.
gribble: Error: "late" is not a valid command.
kakobrekla: ;;later tell davout no fuckin clue.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
artifexd: kakobrekla: how do I receive or create login creds?
kakobrekla: pm me your email
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.25983989 = 1.2992 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 14 @ 0.25983989 = 3.6378 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81550 @ 0.00081836 = 66.7373 BTC [-] {5}
artifexd: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots <- bot authors, feel free to add your bots
assbot: irc_bots [bitcoin assets wiki]
assbot: Microsoft Catapults geriatric Moore's Law from CERTAIN DEATH The Register
fluffypony: clever
fluffypony: they bolt an FPGA inside a server to offload specific tasks to it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14073 @ 0.00082099 = 11.5538 BTC [+]
pankkake: artifexd: good idea, I added mine
artifexd: pankkake: I claim no credit. It was mp's idea.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.07155 = 1.2164 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 45 @ 0.07155 = 3.2198 BTC [+]
xmj: gentlemen.
xmj: anyone here know how long it'd take to incorporate in Hong Kong?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.2299984 = 4.6 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: Random thing i just remembered: Avalon
ThickAsThieves: i wonder how his chi is doing
ThickAsThieves: Yifu, that was the name, couldnt remember
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27400 @ 0.0008187 = 22.4324 BTC [-] {2}
Mats_cd03: real gud
assbot: Avalon ASIC » News
fluffypony: this is actually kinda interesting
assbot: Microsoft C# chief Hejlsberg: Our open-source Apache pick will clear the FUD The Register
fluffypony: so MS have open-sourced C#
fluffypony: just not the CLR (Common-Language Runtime)
fluffypony: but since Mono already has a cross-platform implementation of the CLR
fluffypony: it means that C# will play nice cross-platform, and coding for Mono will be trivial
pankkake: microsoft complaining about FUD. fun
fluffypony: still, this could make C# an interesting language
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 171 @ 0.02081323 = 3.5591 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 35 @ 0.02086652 = 0.7303 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: davout the supreme court does not offer advisory oppinions. it'll only consider cases where there's a real controversy.
davout: mircea_popescu: so you're saying there's no way to ask for clarification regarding a bet wording?
fluffypony: take him out for supper first before asking for his opinion
mircea_popescu: there's no way to pull clarification. mods might push it, but you can't rely on that
mircea_popescu: the only approach is to make bets clear an' stick to it.
davout: aren't mods supposed to enforce bet clarity?
davout: lame
mircea_popescu: unavoidable.
pankkake: well then, why would anyone bet on the bet now?
mircea_popescu: but if i manage to hire some transcendents i might change it.
mircea_popescu: pankkake because they have a theory as to what it means.
davout: take this for example : "or if 30-day volume drops under 100 BTC. "
davout: volume taken from where ?
mircea_popescu: best effort :)
davout: refusing to clarify this, when asked well in advance doesn't really constitute best effort imo
mircea_popescu: "refusing to make me tortoise soup, when asked well in advance, doesn't constitute good mothership"
mircea_popescu: i ain't your mother.
Mats_cd03: but, ma...!
fluffypony takes out his list and crosses mircea_popescu off as potential mother figures
fluffypony: oh well
mircea_popescu: but srsly, the bet is not up for resolution. there's no effort to be put in.
davout: mircea_popescu: i'm not asking anyone to make me something, i'm asking how the bet resolves, clear resolvability is a desired property is it not?
mircea_popescu: desired it may be. it being desired does not by itself make it possible.
pankkake: but bitbet mods clarified bets in the past
davout: is it impossible today to decide whether the volume source will by X, Y, or Z ?
davout: "First and foremost, statements that can not univocally be established as either true or false at a certain point in the future are BadBets and as such unacceptable on BitBet."
mircea_popescu: davout well if you were to propose that bet now it'd get rejected im pretty sure.
davout: without a source for the "volume" information, it is not possible to univocally establish (vol > 100)
davout: i wouldn't really propose such a bet
mircea_popescu: well so then there we go.
pankkake: I can create a source for volume info, from the raw trade data
davout: mircea_popescu: so if it'd get rejected now, why do you insist it is not clarifiable?
mircea_popescu: that awkward moment when you write to a estudio de abogados named X, Y, Z and K and the next morning a reply awaits from Gonzalez X.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39050 @ 0.00082079 = 32.0518 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: davout because it's not dude. what the fuck do i know what you'll be doing next. if you were going to change the thing';s name why da fuck did you bet on it as it is etc.
mircea_popescu: in any event, bitbet comes last in the sort. you don't change your actions by what bitbet says it's gonna do. you do what you do, then when the time comes bitbet looks at it and calls it something.
mircea_popescu: and whatever it calls it, that's what it is.
davout: well, because i'm like the bitbet mod, i didn't really realize it wasn't clear enough
mircea_popescu: that's unfortunate. but you're not like the bitbet mod, in that... well, in that you aren't.
punkman: davout, you could just keep bitcoin-central.net running until 2015 :P
davout: i'm just curious about the point behind not clarifying bets when their wording leave some space to ambiguity
davout: especially when it's brought up long in advance
mircea_popescu: because you gotta limit your touching the things. all business runs on the principle of limiting responsibility.
davout: what do you mean by "your touching the things" ?
mircea_popescu: bitbet reviews bets exactly twice : when they're entered, and when they're resolved.
mircea_popescu: can't follow around constantly reviewing and clarifying the wording every time reality twists some way or the other.
los_pantalones: and you really shouldn't change a bet after it's open
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones hasn't really happened to date.
mircea_popescu: (pls don't look in the logs)
los_pantalones: i'm agreeing w/ you
los_pantalones: to touch as little as possible
mircea_popescu: davout anyway, this is a solidly established principle of law, that a court won't review possibilities and implications,
mircea_popescu: or generally the future. courts review the past.
davout: i don't know about other countries, but the law in france has this mechanism where whenever you need clarification on the law from the taxes administration, you can ask them to make a binding answer
mircea_popescu: but that's administrative.
davout: it's economics
davout: can cost you money
mircea_popescu: you can definitely ask the king to tell you wtf it intends to do. because the king is a sovereign, and thus an agent, and thus can have intent.
mircea_popescu: courts aren't either agents nor capable of intent.
pankkake: so the king is the bet author?
davout: apparently there's no king, bitbet is a court, in some sort of quantic superposition state
fluffypony: Schrodinger's Bitbet
mircea_popescu: pankkake well strictly speaking davout's the king here lol.
davout: i'm simply asking whether there's milk or poison in the vial
mircea_popescu: you made the vial dood, what do you want from me. when the time to open it comes i'll feed it to a cat and let you know.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony hey, when were you talking about the summarizing thing ? was it the 12th ?
fluffypony: let me grep quickly
mircea_popescu: or what was the guy's name ?
davout: the more i think about it, the more similarities i see between bitbet and the rota
fluffypony: darlidada
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27273 @ 0.00081905 = 22.338 BTC [-]
fluffypony: he hasn't started on it yet - he's busy till the end of the month, so we're still fleshing everything out
mircea_popescu: i just used it inter alia to get out of investor's questioning. http://trilema.com/2014/smg-may-2014-statement/#comment-101275
assbot: S.MG, May 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: also, i am shocked, shocked and appalled i say, that nobody;s said a word of la gayola
mircea_popescu: it's almost like i'm the only one that finds it hysterically funny or something
davout: i wanted to make fun of you about your camembert, but i figured you were already punished enough
mircea_popescu: that thing...
davout: what the fuck were you thinking
mircea_popescu: i'm stupid like this ;/
mircea_popescu: constantly trying out new things and getting curious and whatnot
davout: lol
mircea_popescu: you tell me that you were here, and saw a local knockoff of a tin of camembert and you wouldn't have paid the $2.80 to see wtf is in there.
mircea_popescu: the wood box they fucking made. the camembert inside... who the fuck needs it.
davout: i guess not doubting anymore is well worth $3
mircea_popescu: besides, what if it were really good
mircea_popescu: you'd never have heard the end of it
davout: i'd have argued the argentinian version doesn't have a soul
mircea_popescu: i'd have killed young argentinian girls and sprayed their virginal blood all over it to win the argument
davout: a nice instagram filter would have been largely sufficient
mircea_popescu: kinda what i was thinking.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's weird how this works. i'm from transylvania, where cattle is queen. dairy cattle.
mircea_popescu: in argentina, cattle is king. meat cattle.
mircea_popescu: never the twain should fucking meet, these people haveno idea of dairy at all
mircea_popescu: much like i pity the fool trying to eat romanian beef.
davout: i'm extremely curious about ar steak
mircea_popescu: you can't imagine it.
davout: my curiosity is extreme
mircea_popescu: much like you know, you think you know what a banana tastes like, but you're WRONG. you'll discover the full body of flavour of that fruit once you live in the tropics
mircea_popescu: it literally is like europeans only eat 7yos, and there's a world of 23 yo bananas out there unbeknownst to them
mircea_popescu: with like banana tits and all.
mircea_popescu: the beef steak here is so tender chicken seems game by comparison.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 36 @ 0.02081658 = 0.7494 BTC [+] {3}
davout: i can get really really tender beef here, i wonder how it compares
davout: i also wonder how it compares to aged beef
mircea_popescu: well it's possible you had it imported, in which case the shock won't quite rise to the level of epiphany
mircea_popescu: but they also cook it quite well.
davout: (and i also wonder how aged beef tastes like, never had it)
mircea_popescu: anyway, argentina is meat eater's paradise, that's for sure.
davout: also they seem smart enough to serve a bowl of salad as a side
mircea_popescu: only if you order it.
davout: ah
davout: when i saw it on your picture i was all like "such meat art de vivre"
mircea_popescu: in general you have to do a lot of customisation to make restaurant food fit for human consumption. in their view, serving a two pound steak with three ounces of sweet potato fried in oil, and then a pound of chocolate with dulce de leche mixed in is perfectly adequate asd a meal
mircea_popescu: if you have problems swallowing it all they'll more than happily get you some (excellent btw) malbec
mircea_popescu: and yet, which is the mystery, they're not overweight these people.
mircea_popescu: they must not eat at home like in the restaurant or something.
davout: that's not very surprising, is it?
mircea_popescu: to me it is, yes
davout: that they don't eat at home the same way as in restaurants?
mircea_popescu: romanian restaurant dishes consist basically of what women make at home. much like in say normandy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5779 @ 0.00082144 = 4.7471 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 68 @ 0.02060008 = 1.4008 BTC [-] {2}
davout: in normandy?
mircea_popescu: iiiiiiin normandee!
davout: that got lost on me
davout: i have this sadistic little satisfaction, knowing that log readers will have to endure this discussion about cheese and steak to be able to cross the log-reading from their todo
mircea_popescu: what, this is sadism ? my dear boy! you ain't seen nothing yet
davout: i don't think i have :-)
pankkake: the bitbet discussion was more painful
punkman: davout: (and i also wonder how aged beef tastes like, never had it) <- you can let a steak sit in your fridge a few days (or more if you are careful), it's usually an improvement
assbot: Colette - Wikisource
mircea_popescu: so i was going to make a girl read claudine a l'ecole
mircea_popescu: da fuck do i do now
mircea_popescu: punkman actually, i like to age it in dough.
punkman: haven't tried that, sounds good
mircea_popescu: you know how to make beef wellington ?
punkman: nope
davout: pankkake: if it isn't painful it means it's probably not very useful either
davout: punkman: no, by aged, i mean really aged, like you have to cut the green parts off
mircea_popescu: it's not too hard : boil liver, grind it into a paste with butter and spices ; sear a steak, cover it in sauteed mushrooms and the liver paste ; make a dough, put the whole thing in it, seal and oven.
mircea_popescu: aging beef in dough is exactly thesame, sans liver (and mushrooms) and with much thicker dough : sear the steak, put it in a dough envelope, cook this and let it sit.
mircea_popescu: it will never go bad, if you sear it correctly.
davout: it'll turn to ham right?
mircea_popescu: not until your dough pierces through anyway
mircea_popescu: davout you can make a ham-y thing this way, if you add curing stuff inside, but just by itself it turns to...
mircea_popescu: well i dunno, beef aged in dough
davout: lol
mircea_popescu: and here we are exchanging recipes
mircea_popescu: i suppose next topic is whether our husbands beat us recently, and how hard was it.
davout: let's light some jasmine candles and talk about our feelings
mircea_popescu: no, we're intelligent housewives, not dumb american housewives.
davout: you mean we can use plain candles instead?
mircea_popescu: we could be naked and summon satan ?
davout: if that's the romanian version of a tupperware meeting, sure
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pankkake: still better than the discussions I hear behind me
pankkake: unless you care about makeup and stuff
davout: we were just getting started
mircea_popescu: yeah i like to add a little blush to my ballsack
mircea_popescu: makes the hairs stand out more
assbot: The Food Lab's Complete Guide to Dry-Aging Beef at Home | Serious Eats
mircea_popescu: i read that as "serious teats"
mircea_popescu: notmyfault.
los_pantalones: makes sense given the context
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones a yes, the guy has a point as to "proper" aging. you can't do sngle steaks
mircea_popescu: which is what makes my dough protector required.
mircea_popescu: tho i never went to 60 days o.O
los_pantalones: there was cooking show "2 Fat Ladies" back in the day
los_pantalones: they used to do your dough technique
los_pantalones: but they would bury the steak too
mircea_popescu honestly thought he had invented it ;/
los_pantalones: well, before you go on thinking you didn't
los_pantalones: let me see if i can find
assbot: Two Fat Ladies talk about Vegetarians - YouTube
los_pantalones: not the episode
los_pantalones: but for your entertainment
los_pantalones: keep your dough age crown, i can't find
mircea_popescu: davout btw, los_pantalones actually had a decent local steak here
los_pantalones: quite decent
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't say it's the best i had, but certainly not ashamed of sharing it
mircea_popescu: like, A grade.
davout: lol
punkman: mircea_popescu: what's the best steak you've had?
mircea_popescu: also here, but after that.
mircea_popescu: i'm getting better at finding places :D
mircea_popescu: come to think of it, this is a passible definition of happiness : the best steak i've had was this year.
punkman: I think best I've had was in an argentinian restaurant (imported)
punkman: but I gotta try the real thing
mircea_popescu: $conference
empyex: mircea_popescu: Next conference starts in 10 months and 1 days. Estimated cost today: 2.23945167 BTC
mircea_popescu: you showin' up ?
punkman: probably gonna have to wait for the next one, but I might make it happen
mircea_popescu: "I aged a 107, a 109A, and a 109 Export in a mini-fridge (this one from Avanti) set at 40°F in which I placed a small desk fan in order to allow air to circulate (I had to cut a small notch in the sealing strip around the door to allow the fan's cord to pass through), simulating a dry-aging room on a small scale. "
mircea_popescu: ahahaha WHAT
los_pantalones: this guy kenji is the best
los_pantalones: MIT grad, quit his maths to cook
los_pantalones: debunks a lot of bad science about food
punkman: I wonder if jap beef is worthy of the hype
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones interesting. punkman notrly. what japaneseis worthy of the hype ?
los_pantalones: think he's askin about kobe
mircea_popescu: anyway, ima go meet my lawyers nao. later girlfriends! we can do our toenails when i return!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5821 @ 0.00082144 = 4.7816 BTC [+]
assbot: CIA rendition jet was waiting in Europe to SNATCH SNOWDEN The Register
asciilifeform: ^ tabloid piece on flying gasenwagen
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.0710001 = 0.568 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23150 @ 0.00082367 = 19.068 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: in other (not quite) news,
assbot: Project: OpenBSD / Id: openbsd-f868fc6f39a2c45a6c2bab70addc92525d467904 - FreshBSD - The latest *BSD Commits
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.071548 = 1.1448 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00082407 = 22.0027 BTC [+]
mike_c: JD invested bankroll biggest since 6 months ago..
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.94502472 BTC to 9`094 shares, 21388 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] [PAID] 2.35013287 BTC to 152`507 shares, 1541 satoshi per share
mike_c: !t h rent
assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00409990 / 0.00416468 / 0.00429300 (101 shares, 0.42063260 BTC), 7D: 0.00370000 / 0.00404595 / 0.00449890 (426 shares, 1.72357521 BTC), 30D: 0.00280000 / 0.00459634 / 0.00648989 (4787 shares, 22.00269540 BTC)
assbot: BitGo Raises $12Mil, Draws Attention of Institutional Investors - Forbes
gribble: The operation succeeded.
bitcoinpete: dat multisig
fluffypony: dem institutionals
bitcoinpete: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 306160 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 271 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 8 hours, 50 minutes, and 54 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 13236343139.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 12.58695
bitcoinpete: fluffypony: playaz, all a dem
fluffypony: so institutional they need to be IN an institution
bitcoinpete: bitcoin might even hit 14b this next adjustment
assbot: Bitcoin Difficulty and Hashrate Chart - BitcoinWisdom
bitcoinpete: 108ph/s and climbing like nuts
mike_c: wanna bet? :)
mike_c: 14b can't happen that fast
bitcoinpete: mike_c: lol not quite
bitcoinpete: but not far off either
assbot: Eris, by Project ouglas
bitcoinpete: the bet won't need a 3rd adjustment before bastille day
bitcoinpete: that much looks bankable
fluffypony: !up darlidada
fluffypony: darlidada: plz repeat story here
fluffypony: bitcoinpete will love it
benkay: "The hard deadline of 17 June 2014 means the Project Ðouglas Dev Team has not had time to test all of the functions we would like for Eris v 0.1. " << still not seeing code
benkay: wow it has a built in bureacracy
benkay: okay now i see something resembling 'code'
darlidada: have you guys read about the latest crazy stupid story on bitcointalk ? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=653693.0
assbot: Big scam in NXT hundreds of BTC stolen with a one post
darlidada: to be fair it doesnt come frome bitcointalk this time, but from the nxt community
darlidada: some guy from nxtforum makes a post without a gpg signature
darlidada: ask 400 btcs for some business he cant talk about because nda and stuff
darlidada: 90 mins later, he has already received 200 btc, no question asked
kakobrekla: the more shady the faster the money flows
benkay: huh look ethereum has code in the wild
assbot: project-douglas/epm GitHub
darlidada: THEN people start to send him pm regarding the deal and when no one answear they freak out
darlidada: surprisingly it was a scam
bitcoinpete: darlidada: absolutely priceless
bitcoinpete: best roi for a forum post… evar
pankkake: while you should assume anyone on bitcointalk is a scammer, you should assume anything altcoin is a scam - after all, it would only be a scam in a scam
benkay: I feel I can do this deal because I know this is going to boost the value of NXT exponentially.
pankkake: "Scammers don't bother sending me a PM trying to get me to send NXT first, with my reputation this deal is BTC first."
pankkake: feels like I'm reading Goat
fluffypony: bitcoinpete: I wish we'd come up with this idea, we could've IPO'd the idea
bitcoinpete: i don't think it's too late
assbot: BitGo Raises $12 million Series A http://t.co/7aTKHPZ29r by /PerianneDC via /Forbes Congrats /willobrien /mikebelshe /bendavenport /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash
bitcoinpete: let's see if the bitgo kids respond
bitcoinpete: unlike the bitangels… and coindeskers
pankkake: IPO a scamming company: the business model of the company is to create IPO scams
bitcoinpete: but i gotta jet for a bit. bbl today
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 44 @ 0.0680092 = 2.9924 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10272 @ 0.00082367 = 8.4607 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19278 @ 0.00082129 = 15.8328 BTC [-] {2}
pankkake: http://blog.flattr.net/2014/05/time-to-update-your-account/ <= flattr was one of the last easy ways to fund things semi anonymously (many grey area websites use it)
assbot: Time to update your account
pankkake: This Is Good for Bitcoin™
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37900 @ 0.00081902 = 31.0409 BTC [-] {2}
davout: haha, stupid protuguese
assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1072Y0K.txt )
benkay: !b 1
benkay: keep calm and prepare for rectothermal analysis
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 54 @ 0.06740489 = 3.6399 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 71 @ 0.06689013 = 4.7492 BTC [-] {4}
kakobrekla: !up darlidada
kakobrekla: get in the wot and all that jazz ?
fluffypony: ;;gettrust darlidada
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user fluffypony to user darlidada: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=fluffypony&dest=darlidada | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=darlidada | Rated since: never
kakobrekla: ;;rate darlidada 1 for the purpose of #b-a voice
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user darlidada has been recorded.
kakobrekla: thar, easy come easy go.
darlidada: ty:)
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> http://freshbsd.org/commit/openbsd/f868fc6f39a2c45a6c2bab70addc92525d467904 << kinda why everyone sane is using homebrew crypto stack.
assbot: Project: OpenBSD / Id: openbsd-f868fc6f39a2c45a6c2bab70addc92525d467904 - FreshBSD - The latest *BSD Commits
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete fluffypony insitutiolol
asciilifeform: '358375th cockroach found in brooklyn motel. news at 11'
mircea_popescu: "Eris -- A ÐAO Framework by Project Ðouglas" ; "This proposal is made in response to a post on Reddit.com by Olivier Janssens announcing a bounty of an amount of bitcoin equivalent to USD$100,000"
mircea_popescu: this can only end in tears.
mircea_popescu: <benkay> "blabla" << still not seeing code << they have a NAME right ? and it has like inclusive specxial characters in it and everything, right ? THEY HAVE TRIED AND NOBODY SHOULD CRITICISE THEM!!!!
mircea_popescu: let alone that the platform doing what the bitcoin foundation aspired to and never actually did is right here, and has been in business for years
mircea_popescu: but why should any retarded kid have to do his homework or anything
mircea_popescu: <darlidada> 90 mins later, he has already received 200 btc, no question asked << the theory that any qty of nxt is worth any qty of btc has serious flaws.
mircea_popescu: some derps thought whatever pile of mastercoin is worth btc, discovered that no, it's not quite recently.
asciilifeform: ask the chinese, maybe it helps them get it up, like tiger horns.
mircea_popescu: <pankkake> feels like I'm reading Goat << quite.
mircea_popescu: <pankkake> IPO a scamming company: the business model of the company is to create IPO scams << the warrior forum in action lol.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 48 @ 0.0667105 = 3.2021 BTC [-] {7}
mircea_popescu: !up alex_c
mircea_popescu: "John (Peter Manglaviti) was essentially the public leader of NxT, he was the one who represented NxT's booth at several public conferences / expos and seminars and he was the man the public dealt with. " << bwahaha. HE WAS IN A BOOTH!!1
mircea_popescu: i wonder if ticket sellers at cinemas have an easy moneymaker now : sell the building to forum investors.
mircea_popescu: "of course i own the whole block. i'm in a booth here aren't i ?!
davout: sounds legit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.07136995 = 0.9278 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 592.0, Best ask: 593.2, Bid-ask spread: 1.20000, Last trade: 593.34, 24 hour volume: 14577.00883217, 24 hour low: 555.0, 24 hour high: 610.0, 24 hour vwap: 591.21044887
assbot: The soft underbelly of hedonism, exposed. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: suffer, biotch :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 21 @ 0.08 = 1.68 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.0714 = 0.5712 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "We (Dennis McKinnon, Casey Kuhlman, and Preston Byrne (the Project Ðouglas Dev Team)) do not intend, nor is our proposal designed, to replace or compete with the Bitcoin Foundation. Using traditional forms of organisational governance, the Bitcoin Foundation has played a critical role in standardising the Bitcoin protocol and encouraging adoption of cryptoprotocols’ use worldwide. We are grateful for its efforts an
mircea_popescu: d look forward to learning how we can work together."
mircea_popescu: ajhahaha o get fucked.
BingoBoingo: punkman: That is an interesting link.
mircea_popescu: "We have not slept for three weeks."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.06670011 = 0.5336 BTC [-]
fluffypony: Preston Byrne
fluffypony: wasn't he that blogger that had a tiff with you?
mircea_popescu: no, it was some derp that purported he's commenting on what i did and said and i pointed out to him that before attempting that he needs to pass a ged.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: no, we're intelligent housewives, not dumb american housewives. << I had a disappointing lapse into Americanisms today. I timed my return drive poorly and passed the restaurants before they opened. Ended up getting fried chicken livers at the supermarket and eating them as I drove the rest of the way back.
mircea_popescu: but basically yeah, there's names which serve as marks of failure. something with goat involved, or nefario, or preston byrne or taaki etc can only fail
mircea_popescu: just how amusing it'll fail is up to circumstance, but yeah.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i love chicken liver.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Got two one pound packages still hot for $3.50, I love passing through the middle of nowhere.
punkman: BingoBoingo: will publish source soon, any ideas for extended bet analysis or other tools?
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/06/16/microsoft_catapult_fpgas/ << More reason to suspect HFT types have been on this train for a while.
assbot: Microsoft Catapults geriatric Moore's Law from CERTAIN DEATH The Register
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: the same thought occurred to me
BingoBoingo: punkman: Not that I can think of atm. Numbers tend to influence how much I bet rather than whether I bet in the first place.
BingoBoingo: punkman: As I play with it I'll prolly think of things
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00081914 = 14.9903 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.21023485 = 2.7331 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: Not all programmers are alike: a language rant | Locklin on science
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I remember that last time you dropped that link and the doubters in the thread, but now... If even Microsoft can pull off FPGA acceleration...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: don't make the classic mistake of reading this as microshit product r&d
asciilifeform: 'microsoft research' has nothing to do with the company's product pipeline
asciilifeform: it's a 'corral' for elderly phds. a kind of 'respectability farm' that many u.s. zaibatsus operate
asciilifeform: gets them free press, and keeps the inmates out of trouble
mircea_popescu: "Go with a straight-dataflow paradigm, where all operations are part of a dependency graph (and if your chip is large enough, exist at all times as physical objects which wait for their inputs to become available, and signal their successors within picoseconds of their output becoming ready.)" << tbh, this is not only grand in theory
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I played with Singularity a bit when it was fresh. The "respectability farm" is the impression I got.
mircea_popescu: but afaik no "asic miner" actually does it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is known as asynchronous logic. see 'muller's gate.' i vaguely recall that we spoke of it on at least one occasion.
asciilifeform: i cannot claim to have invented it (herr muller, 1956?) but might be the only one left taking it seriously.
mircea_popescu: yes, at which point i prolly observed that it's a technologee current bitcoin miners don't got.
BingoBoingo: ;;google Loper no formats no format wars
gribble: Loper OS » No Formats, no Format Wars.: <http://www.loper-os.org/?p=309>; Loper OS » Idea: <http://www.loper-os.org/?cat=9>; No Formats, no Format Wars. - Loper OS: <http://www.loper-os.org/?paged=6>
asciilifeform: an asynch. circuit has interesting properties. for instance, it clocks itself up when you cool it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27300 @ 0.00081869 = 22.3502 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: (always speed-capped by slowest gate, and never arbitrarily)
mircea_popescu: "Speaking as an insider, I can tell you that most HFT firms playing around with FPGAs are doing so because of slick-talking FPGA marketing hucksters. The more that perverse incentives change, the more they stay the same" << flanagan has a point.
mircea_popescu: finance types are possibly the most tech-clueless people you'll ever meet.
mircea_popescu: if you run into a wall street dude hitting on a cocktail waitress, it's probable she groks more of grep than him.
asciilifeform: now, if these folks actually risked their arse if the machine fails to perform...
punkman: asciilifeform: could you recommend a lisp for this lisp-deficient noob? (and maybe an IDE that's not emacs)
asciilifeform: punkman: what machine do you have ?
asciilifeform: punkman: and i'm afraid that i cannot in good conscience recommend ide that isn't emacs. because only emacs runs 'SLIME.'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform recall the one time their excel copula calculation failed spectacularly and the whole firm went under because of it ? no arse was harmed.
asciilifeform: lol yeah
mircea_popescu: "tech failure" is accepted like "will of god" was 500 years ago. free of any contract.
asciilifeform: the only prescription is: barbarians.
mircea_popescu: punkman why do you hate emacs ?
punkman: asciilifeform: just a regular machine, what kind of machine should I have?
asciilifeform: punkman: if x86 or x86-64 - sbcl.
mircea_popescu: "You will probably find that approach unworkable in a Disruptor style queue for market data because:
mircea_popescu: 1) You can’t tell when a reader has already progressed past that tick, and would thus miss your update (which is bad)
mircea_popescu: 2) You can’t tell when a reader is currently processing that tick, which means you could potentially write over the prior record when he has only read part of it, making the tick inconsistent (which is also bad).
mircea_popescu: Those issues may be avoidable, but only at the cost of additional atomic instructions on both the read and write ends, which would significantly impair the performance." << this guy is a prime example of what i said of finance types being tech clueless.
punkman: mircea_popescu: I don't hate it per se, but I'd rather avoid that learning curve for now
mircea_popescu: jesus god he actually just said that ?!
asciilifeform: punkman: if you study, e.g. common lisp, without SLIME, you're inoculating yourself against ever enjoying the language.
asciilifeform: this is generally how 'enthusiastic' lisp-haters are born - they get to study it at uni, and match parens / indent / etc. by hand.
punkman: but I like clicking!
BingoBoingo: There's more painful exercises in attempting to learn a programming language. In 6th grade I tried to learn Perl with pencils and paper...
assbot: Let's Go Learn Mouse practice game
mircea_popescu: i can't see a reference to lockin's stuff without thinking of http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-fail-the-scott-locklin-method/ anyway
assbot: How to fail - the Scott Locklin method. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
asciilifeform: punkman: or, if you can dig up an ancient mac, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouse_Practice
assbot: Mouse Practice - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: locklin is one of those folks who never penetrated the btc bozo field
asciilifeform: (e.g. taleb)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Hypercard is great Mouse Practice as well...
mircea_popescu: that's not even the objection. if you read his contributions in his own comment thread above,
mircea_popescu: the same arrogant if clueless sufficiency permeates.
mircea_popescu: this is how people like me end up when they're 50, if they don't have the sense to bdsm etc
asciilifeform: folks who succeed in an intellectually-demanding field - whatever field - besieged by sham artists - tend to develop this condition. or at least, it is certainly a 'professional hazard.'
mircea_popescu: it is, but only because of the poisonous enviroment in which their socialist conationals soak them.
mircea_popescu: these are the hidden costs of " welfarism" : that in order for its pretense to be maintained, the actuality of a caustic environment for the natural needs of the superior has to be enacted.
asciilifeform: not so hidden.
mircea_popescu: if he had a few slaves around the house whose lives and physical integrity depended on his good humour, he wouldn't find himself ossified in this form of compensatory idiocy.
BingoBoingo: http://www.gizmag.com/listeria-bacteria-sensor-food-borne-illness/32536/ << No one develops the Campylobacter version because chicken would never look the same again...
assbot: New sensor to detect food-borne bacteria on site
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i wonder what the ecological impact of listeria's disappearance would be like.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Pretty horrible I imagine, but probably even less possible than than impassible task of eradicating Herpes.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo for all you know, a world without listeria is the prerequisite for a better strain of herpes
mircea_popescu: or maybe for contagious, accelerated leprosy
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Or for Candida to accelerate the way Y. Pestis did...
mircea_popescu: still an open question as to how much iathrogenic pathogen virulence is due to you know... better hospital techniques.
asciilifeform: naturam expellas furca...
BingoBoingo: Well, the plasmids necessary for S. Aureus to become Beta Lactam resistant and Enterococcus to become Vancomycin resistant predate our harnessing either therapeutically...
asciilifeform: see also: 'the answer lies in the sewers.'
BingoBoingo: Note that broad spectrum antimicrobials that maintain effectiveness over time tend to be merely bacteriostatic and not actively bacteriocidal...
BingoBoingo: Aspergillius is probably my favorite pathogen because it is a huge fuck you to stoners thinking they are all high and mighty because their weed is "safer" than my booze.
BingoBoingo: I'm trying to think what would even be a close second...
mircea_popescu: while the plasmids may actually predate it, their use likely does not.
mircea_popescu: think in the following terms : the tools mpex will use any to defeat any attempt at enacting a sovereignity claim superior to its own certainly predate any such claims
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, their deployment in practice does not (a state of affairs asciilifeform periodically protests with a parachute example)
asciilifeform: for pdf haters:
assbot: The answer lies in the sewers - Pastebin.com
ThickAsThieves: "HSBC is one of the leading international banks. Technology plays a big part of the banking world nowadays. The advent of mobile devices, bitcoin, crypto currency, access to internet, are change everyday banking. Create a position paper on the benefits of Bitcoin being adopted and being a part of HSBC consumer products. Pick a position in favour or against and please add your sources."
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, the reason we've found any substanital antibiotic this far is because some other microbe produced it as a defense and before we produce the chemical on an industrial scale, there are minority bacterial populations carrying genes for resistance.
ThickAsThieves: HSBC outsources bitcoin research to job applicants
ThickAsThieves: should be illegal
mircea_popescu: nice link
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves aahhahahaah
mircea_popescu: i recall a few years ago designers getting all butthurt against design contests
ThickAsThieves: yeah, NO-SPEC
mircea_popescu: i guess their victory was of such resounding nature in that battle that now hsbc is doing it
asciilifeform sees a future for phages, for small-molecule antibio - not so much
mircea_popescu: bodes well for the future, this.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo this is approximately correct, especially if you focus on things such as penycilin. not quite as true with substances such as say trimetoprim
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Phages are probably the only long term solution.
bitcoinpete: asciilifeform phages are why i did an undergrad in immunology and infection
bitcoinpete: i remember reading about russian/soviet research into them
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35850 @ 0.00081982 = 29.3905 BTC [+]
bitcoinpete: research that sorta didn't really make it to the west after the fall
asciilifeform: bitcoinpete: at my last work (us army) the management flew in one of the last remaining soviet phage experts
asciilifeform: he's extracting strange from sewage even now.
bitcoinpete: whoa neat
asciilifeform was not involved, just sat in a lecture
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Trimethoprim is great in the way Sulfa antibiotics and doxycycline are great. They are merely bateriostatic agents. Combine the right bacteriostatic agents and you might actually kill some bacteria. Mostly though bacteria aren't adapted to combinations of them and it might take centuries for Bactrims list of vulnerable organisms to thing appreciably.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo perhaps on the grounds of my ignorance, i see little value in the bacteriostatic / bactericide distinction
ThickAsThieves: TSLA is on a tear
bitcoinpete: ThickAsThieves: holy ya
bitcoinpete: +7.29% today
asciilifeform: the notion that 'microbe will eventually adapt to anything' is a bit simplistic.
asciilifeform: go adapt to iodine.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The distinction is -cidal actually kills the bacteria. -static keeps them from reproducing long enough to have enough die of old age or allow your immune system to catch up. When it comes to adpatation and resistance it matters quite a bit.
assbot: Canberra reaps $360m from inactive bank accounts
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
mircea_popescu: i know that. how do you say it matters ?
gribble: Current Blocks: 306186 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 245 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 4 hours, 57 minutes, and 55 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 13304966954.1 | Estimated Percent Change: 13.17066
ThickAsThieves: ''I saved for 45 years … It was my carer's pension and his disability pension,'' said the Sydney retiree.
mircea_popescu: the only way bacteria meaningfully exists from an evolutionary standpoint is that it passes itself on
mircea_popescu: dead bacteria === spaded bacteria
ThickAsThieves: how does an organism exist non-meaningfully?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, in a human body's environment a bacterium doesn't have long before it needs to fuck itself and reproduce or die.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves no but we were discussing adaptation
BingoBoingo: Other bacteria though tend not to have the luxury of waiting that long when they engage in chemical warfare.
BingoBoingo: Thus adapting to old age and celibacy is hard.
BingoBoingo: Especially at body temperature.
ThickAsThieves: i dont think there's a right or wrong, all the variation in question is needed
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yes, but when developing resistance is in question.
mircea_popescu: in principle bacteria would have as good a chance to develop immunity to tpi as it would to penicillin. they're both antibiotics (granted, one static, the other cidal, whatever)
mircea_popescu: so the pre-existing defense theory doesn't really hold as well as all that.
ThickAsThieves: yeesh nbc has a horrible web design http://www.nbcnews.com/ (bitcoin front and center)
assbot: NBC News - Breaking News & Top Stories - Latest World, US & Local News
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves assuming it loads. i'm two seconds in here.
BingoBoingo: Most routes to drug resistance encountered so far have been a round a long time, because some population of bacteria in a species need the genes to survive. Bacteria don't just spread genes through reproduction though... Microbiology is like Bioshock. Staph can pick up a plasid and get superpowers.
mircea_popescu: this is true
mircea_popescu: and yeah, some plasmids exist for circumventing some antibiotics, the sort that we've obtained "agriculturally" so to speak.
mircea_popescu: the sort that we've obtained synthetically, however, generally have no defense.
BingoBoingo: Right, for some reason farmers like giving shit beta lactams for no good reason.
mircea_popescu: (their only limiting factor is that human cells don't have a defense either, and rarely do you get a bonanza like tpi that's 5k as afine to bacteria folic process as to human for unknown reasons)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.06700008 = 1.675 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo meant the agricultural/synthetic thing a reference to an earlier discussion about how industry and agriculture compete for financing. you prolly recall it
BingoBoingo: That is true. Microbes generally don't try to kill other microbes through folate though.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The corn matter.
BingoBoingo: And the American farm and Amrican locker room being bigger hotbeds for MRSA than American Hospitals.
BingoBoingo: Which follows from if you can you must.
BingoBoingo: Apparently sub meaningful doses of antibiotics promote mammal growth.
mircea_popescu: come to think of it, it should be interesting to see just what new plasmids become available for bacteria's game of bioshock now that there's all those genetically engineered crops around
mircea_popescu: and there, we've united all the topics
BingoBoingo: Indeed.
BingoBoingo: I'm probably roundup resistant by now...
mircea_popescu: it's always the unintended side consequences that are the more interesting.
BingoBoingo: The question of the next few decades is how many corn plasmids are small enough to find their way into bacterium...
mircea_popescu: which reminds me of the recent cheese wars lol. i dunno who missed the "oh yurp, you don't want our gmo crops ?! we won't want your messy cheeses then!!11"
mircea_popescu: quite clear message there
BingoBoingo: Yeah. Prolly best they don't mix.
mircea_popescu: exact fucking time to mess with this, when russia is pushing as hard as it can and iraq all but became an official al-quaeda state
mircea_popescu: fda thinks it's a good idea to annoy the european elite in the gullet, which is prolly the one thing they care about
mircea_popescu: i dunno who the fuck is in charge across the pond, but he couldn't be less able if he tried. a regular bismarck in reverse, that guy
BingoBoingo: I doubt all of Iraq is going Alqueda state. Seems like it will partion. Turks might even bless Kurdistan.
mircea_popescu: if it's a square mile it's enough for utter defeat.
jborkl: I added a very simple block explorer, I will add more later
assbot: Nominations for Crypto Projects that Might Not Suck
BingoBoingo: The Iraq situation would have been less of a mess if HW Bush and the Saudis would have been cool with Bin Laden's plan for liberating Kuwait.
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete maybe send him a "Nomination for posts that might not suck : shut up, read assets logs for the next year"
bitcoinpete: "Personal income tax revenues in April were 15.8 percent, or $7.9 billion, below the same month in 2013"
assbot: Size of income tax drop surprises U.S. states: study - vagazette.com
mircea_popescu: argentina salutes you :D
bitcoinpete: most unintentionally lulzy url too: vag-azaette
mircea_popescu: "Purchased credits to read http://trilema.com Prompt delivery. Great writer, good use of footnotes. Not retarded. Privilege unchecked." << customer reviews.
assbot: Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 436012.92 in 815 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -39.05
assbot: Khali muscle protein advert - YouTube
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 306187 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 244 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 4 hours, 50 minutes, and 50 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 13306514863.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 13.18382
BingoBoingo: I still don't think 14 Billion by Bastille day is happening.
kakobrekla: just wait that fury (un)plugs some hash.
BingoBoingo: I think in addition to miners housed in the desert southwest dying, we might get to see some pool on pool DDoS violence.
BingoBoingo: So many exciting externalities could happen.
jborkl: Tha is constantly ongoin, just block withholding attacks on each other
jborkl: is hurts more than DDOS
kakobrekla: i doubt heat will do much
kakobrekla: those who dont the the heat math dont have big farms in the first place
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: CoinTerra, the People Garr pinned his "totes legit" badge on have a datacenter in the middle of the utah desert.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00081867 = 11.1339 BTC [-] {2}
jborkl: haha :(
kakobrekla: how much hash?
BingoBoingo: Not sure, but since they are way behind on refunds, probably all of theirs.
kakobrekla: prolly even the bfl failwagon will offset that
thestringpuller: we might get to see some pool on pool DDoS violence. << cyberwarfare is an even for popcorn
kakobrekla: the subpar miners they have now , they gets to keeps and run themselfs.
BingoBoingo: It would kick ass if a tornado hit BFL's trailer.
kakobrekla: economically its better for them to simulate the subparness than to ship
bitcoinpete: heya bitstein
bitstein: hey, how goes it?
bitcoinpete: bitstein: pretty splendidly
bitcoinpete: sitting in a lovely old bank building at the bar
bitcoinpete: watching soccer and surfing logs
bitcoinpete: and you?
bitstein: ah that sounds nice. i'm working on schoolwork. and finding that making fun of bitangels is getting too easy: https://twitter.com/Bitstein/status/478608956026155009
assbot: An automated consultant for /BitAngelsdotco: http://t.co/HsxZCXSxvS We need an open source token-based distributed version, though.
bitcoinpete: always fun
asciilifeform: heat math << unterseeminer.
asciilifeform: the final solution (tm) to heat problem
asciilifeform: crypto projects that may not suck << where's the list?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 850 @ 0.00081982 = 0.6968 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: its rounded to empty.
kakobrekla: !up trixisowned
kakobrekla: you are owned
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.06700142 = 0.938 BTC [+] {4}
jurov: <asciilifeform> heat math << unterseeminer. << going into the trouble with pressure watertight sealing for hardware with lifespan measured in months? dunno
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 75 @ 0.06667206 = 5.0004 BTC [-] {7}
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 598.0, vol: 13878.55265075 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 594.2, vol: 9707.91734 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 599.0, vol: 17280.37405547 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 604.85, vol: 51.13415512 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 603.96842, vol: 5008.65520000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 597.23502, vol: 28.07766432 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 602.583228, vol: 133.01614452 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 598.243502558
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 19 @ 0.066666 = 1.2667 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: http://science.slashdot.org/story/14/06/16/1253209/super-bananas-may-save-millions-of-lives-in-africa << Product for Uganda Safety and efficacy trials carried out on 'Muricans
assbot: "Super Bananas" May Save Millions of Lives In Africa - Slashdot
atcbot: 35k@250 2k@240 16k@235 | 0k@180 0k@176 0k@172
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29300 @ 0.00082106 = 24.0571 BTC [+]
assbot: Crazy RxMan: Quake and Zap
BingoBoingo: "A special DOS program (we only utilize the latest in computer programming technology at our pharmacy) is executed which prints a listing of barcodes representing 10%, 20%, 30%, etc. all the way to 100%. Then the tech or pharmacist scans a bottle of inventory, THEN shakes, quakes, and does a little magic dance to estimate how much is left in the bottle, be it 10%, 20%, etc., and then scans that barcode, hence the QUAKE-n-ZAP! Th
BingoBoingo: is is done multiple times until the tech either dies of boredom or it gets busy again. Usually this means about 50 zaps. THEN the computer compares what was scanned to the inventory on hand, and if it is off by a certain percentage, it updates the inventory on hand..."
BingoBoingo: "But here's where it gets insane. No one can accurately "estimate" how much is left in the bottle to any degree of accuracy, so we end up mostly only zapping full bottles."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00082106 = 2.4632 BTC [+]
assbot: Crazy RxMan: Crazy Password Protection
assbot: Those who don't ignore history are just as doomed to repeat it as those who ignore history. Because both will have the same history.
assbot: Mob Boss Agrees to Shoot Man in Kneecaps Before Weekend | Medical Satire - GomerBlog
assbot: $30 Billion Online Merchant Processor Digital River Adds Bitcoin Payments
ThickAsThieves: (via Coinbase)
FabianB: !mpif
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021667 BTC (Total: 433.36 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021703 BTC [-]
FabianB: $depth f.mpif
empyex: FabianB: [F.MPIF] Bids: 100 @ 0.00021667 100 @ 0.00021659 10000 @ 0.00021640 10000 @ 0.00021561
empyex: FabianB: [F.MPIF] Asks: 500 @ 0.00021726 1000 @ 0.00024000 100000 @ 0.00029000 10000 @ 0.00040000
BingoBoingo: !jd mpif
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 171.09983010 BTC; +0.47628387 BTC (+0.2791%) since last check 6d 1h 53m 39s ago.
mike_c: benkay: 624448208441344 << retarded? << I was reading up and i thought that was one of assbot's wisecracks when it doesn't understand your command :)
BingoBoingo: Klye needs another IPO...
kakobrekla: <mike_c> benkay: 624448208441344 << retarded? << I was reading up and i thought that was one of assbot's wisecracks when it doesn't understand your command :) < those are way smarter than that
benkay: !derp
assbot: no u!
benkay: ha
benkay: okay i just bought a pile of insurance
benkay: now i need a pile of deals that this insurance will qualify me for to justify the expense
BingoBoingo: In a few centuries assbot error messages will be studied in the Classics department.
benkay: !up trinque
benkay: hey guys trinque is a friend of mine
benkay: be particularly nasty, eh?
BingoBoingo: fuck you benkay voice him yourself
trinque: I can take it
trinque: and I've already got a fancy plus sign
benkay: ya but you can't voice y'self yet
mike_c: !sorry assbot, you're very clever. and good looking.
assbot: ikr
mike_c: srsly
BingoBoingo: trinque: ASL?
trinque: I have transcended age, gender and location.
trinque: I am everywhere and all things.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35750 @ 0.00081861 = 29.2653 BTC [-] {3}
mike_c: ;;ident trinque
gribble: Nick 'trinque', with hostmask 'trinque!~trinque@trinque.org', is not identified.
BingoBoingo: trinque: SO you're a 'Murican afraid of the gasenwagen as well
trinque: BingoBoingo: unfortunately so
BingoBoingo: trinque: Did you know that there is a device for accessing any secrets stored in a living human's memory.
trinque: BingoBoingo: alcohol?
asciilifeform: from the lolpharmz:
assbot: Log In - The New York Times
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: When I start a university the prospective students are going to have to interview under the influence.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'i would like to attend your... hmrh, croak, zzz...'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: By the time it happens I imagine I'll still be boozing, but the kids will be on their medical PCP or whatever.
BingoBoingo: !up princessnell
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: At least the students will be comforted that the summer reading before freshman year will never deviate.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44532 @ 0.00081837 = 36.4437 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: The Pre-Freshman year reading will be Spinoza's ethics. There will be a matriculation exam.
assbot: If US gets involved in /hashtag/Iraq?src=hash it would join a /hashtag/Shiite?src=hash alliance w/ Assad, /hashtag/Iran?src=hash & /hashtag/Maliki?src=hash against a /hashtag/Sunni?src=hash movement http://t.co/TQHSloTN8c
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.00081837 = 8.3065 BTC [-]
assbot: trinque +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
kakobrekla: !up trinque
trinque: kakobrekla: thank you :)
BingoBoingo: Also at Bingo University, anyone who commits the crime of introducing a whiteboard to the campus will be caned in the Quad.
Mats_cd03: id let BingoBoingo cane me in public
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: I'd prefer you just have the good sense to realize the inherent superiority of Chalk on Slate.
Mats_cd03: chalk on slate isnt as kinky
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: Well, Perhaps in the quad there will be a block of slate for the caned to bend over. Because slate is the correct writing surface in a classroom...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00082218 = 2.7954 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 1719 @ 0.0005 = 0.8595 BTC [+]
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 434656.24 in 806 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -39.24
BingoBoingo: %ticker
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 180 Ask: 235 Last Price: 235 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A
BingoBoingo: And the Altcoin Market remains a standoff
assbot: luke-jr comments on GHASH.IO IS OPEN FOR DISCUSSION
nubbins`: pretty rich
Mats_cd03: it needs an ATC Foundation
benkay: ;;ident trinque
gribble: Nick 'trinque', with hostmask 'trinque!~trinque@trinque.org', is identified as user 'trinque', with GPG key id 42F9985AFAB953C4, key fingerprint FC66C0C5D98C42A1D4A98B6B42F9985AFAB953C4, and bitcoin address None
benkay: ;;rate trinque 1 dat guy
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user trinque has been recorded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.0708987 = 0.9926 BTC [+]
benkay: !down trinque
benkay: now trinque /msg assbot !up to give yourself voice
trinque: fancy
trinque: benkay: thank you sir
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.00082218 = 8.3451 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: Nah, ATC has better than a foundation, it has perfectly benevolent neglect.
BingoBoingo: Maybe we should start the rumor that Ghash.io is Government has, and refer to it as G-Hash and its operators as the G-men
benkay: yusss
benkay: it's the Government pool
nubbins`: it's known that ghash.io is USG
nubbins`: if you look up the docs for codename GIGA it's all spelled out
BingoBoingo: Let's get out the tinfoil bitches.
BingoBoingo: We're baking cake with this one.
nubbins`: i don't have any tinfoil bitches
nubbins`: wait
nubbins`: nevermind
BingoBoingo: Eh, there is another problem. All of other pools probably suck more.
assbot: Barrys new tell-enough memoir tries to recast Mayor for Lifes legacy, deny troubles - The Washington Post
assbot: Texas Police Now Ticketing Kids for "Cool Moves"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00082218 = 3.1243 BTC [+]
nubbins`: ha ha ha
nubbins`: HEY KIDS
nubbins`: this is just a ploy to train kids not to run when a cop shouts HEY, YOU! STOP!
BingoBoingo: Exactly.
nubbins`: what's next, wolves giving sheep "get out of shearing free" coupons for grazing further from the shepherd?
assbot: SirDefaced +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
BingoBoingo: !up SirDefaced
BingoBoingo: Hello SirDefaced
SirDefaced: hello :)
SirDefaced: long time since ive used gribble haha
benkay: ;;gettrust SirDefaced
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user SirDefaced: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=SirDefaced | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=SirDefaced | Rated since: never
assbot: Report: Shipments of AMD/Nvidia graphics cards hit by high inventories - Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. (NYSE:AMD) | Seeking Alpha
ThickAsThieves: "Weak Bitcoin-related demand is said to be taking a toll, and AMD and Nvidia (NVDA) have reportedly been pressured to cut GPU prices to boost demand. But both firms are instead opting to focus on cutting GPU shipments."
SirDefaced: im authed under defaced and it seems someone jacked my sn
SirDefaced: so ill be making a new WOT
ThickAsThieves: I wonder when AMD will just start making best-in-class ASICs
pankkake: fluffypony: I was going to link the SMBC here :p
fluffypony: pankkake: best one I've seen in a long time, and I love SMBC
benkay: ;;gettrust defaced
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask SirDefaced!User@74.196.59.25. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user benkay to user defaced: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=defaced | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=defaced | Rated since: Tue Sep 20 18:24:20 2011
benkay: ;;gettrust assbot defaced
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask SirDefaced!User@74.196.59.25. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user assbot to user defaced: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=defaced | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=defaced | Rated since: Tue Sep 20 18:24:20 2011
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: There was an earlier discussion about existing BTC ASIC maker's mistake.
BingoBoingo: Moiety
moiety: hello!
moiety: you survived the storm BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: moiety: I managed to survive the winds, but was nearly washed off the road this morning.
moiety: washed off the road? were you driving? :o
BingoBoingo: moiety: Yeah. Was driving this morning and the temperature jumped 20 degrees... Then the rain came...
BingoBoingo: Well drained roadway with deep ditches on both sides, but the rain was falling faster than the water could runoff.
moiety: eeep, i don't think you should drive anywhere for a while BingoBoingo
assbot: Are /blockchain online bitcoin wallets potentially insecure? /aantonop say it ain't so! http://t.co/yoKFu376Jt /bitcoinpete
assbot: Are /blockchain online bitcoin wallets potentially insecure? /aantonop say it ain't so! http://t.co/yoKFu376Jt /bitcoinpete
bitcoinpete: Derpopolous: "All bitcoin wallets are “potentially insecure”, blockchain’s less so than anyone else." "100% security doesn’t exist. There are weaknesses in any system. We manage these risks…"
bitcoinpete: "we sell the slowest acting poison on the market!"
BingoBoingo: moiety: The drive was 2 minutes of terror and three hours of boredom.
assbot: The Unicode Blog: Announcing The Unicode Standard, Version 7.0
moiety: three hours? did you get stuck BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: moiety: No, was just covering distance.
moiety: you need a landrover for that rain
BingoBoingo: Or a car that isn't so bouyant.
moiety: what is it you have at present?
BingoBoingo: moiety: Just a boring Saturn Family sedan. Mostly plastic. Draws no unwanted attention and burns little gas.
moiety: one day, i would like one of these http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/uploads/cars/nissan/1367206.jpg but i want to modify it to manual gearbox and bigger engine (they are only 1L autos)
moiety: saw a black one roll through my new town other day!
moiety: i've only ever seen two irl
Mats_cd03: is this 51% thing even a threat? color me unconvinced
BingoBoingo: Nice. I've always liked the idea of something simple like a Lotus 7, but... In practice I prefer a more disposable conveyance.
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: Not really. Not this way at least.
pankkake: lol at the bullshit answers
pankkake: but after all, it's twitter
pankkake: and the all bitcoin wallets… is an outright lie. there is at least a clear line between web wallet where you don't have the key, web wallet where you have the key but malicious js can be served, and local software
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Don't forget local wallet on machine separated from the internet...
Mats_cd03: barry is a typical scrub
Mats_cd03: cant hold his lies together properly
assbot: Meanwhile, In Drogheda | Broadsheet.ie
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00082215 = 4.3163 BTC [-]
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
Mats_cd03: use your words
assbot: Elonis v. United States: Supreme Court will hear the Facebook speech case.
BingoBoingo: The true threat doctorine is bullshit, and will not stand.
BingoBoingo: Where do the Bitpoor hang out nowadays?
BingoBoingo: I kind of want some Klye JustDice porn fic, but I don't want it enought to throw away more than a Bitcent on it.
BingoBoingo: I also can't be arsed to make a Fiverr account.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14150 @ 0.00082215 = 11.6334 BTC [-]
Mats_cd03: describe porn fic and i may be willing to be your proxy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00082218 = 6.8241 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: I kind of want to read a short story about Just-Dice destroying Klye's anus with a strapon. Just-Dice also needs tits.
Mats_cd03: why do you want to fantasize about some pasty white boy
Mats_cd03: shits weak
BingoBoingo: I got drunk too early today to write a blog post myself. Kind of hoping some starving Indian or Kansasian bastard would be thrilled to have a bitcent.
assbot: An Afternoon Aria: Driving on the Wrong Side with the Nissan Figaro | CarEnvy.ca
assbot: MP-2-BTC
Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, I'm sure Klye would
Apocalyptic: the issue is he is a poor writer
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: The thing is for this purpose he is to... not what I'm looking for. I'm looking for someone as lost with the English Language as I am reading Romanian Trilema articles.
Mats_cd03: give it a few years and that bitcent could convince klye to enact the scene for you
Mats_cd03: another bitcent and you might even get some decent postprocessing in there
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: Do you remember last year when a Buttcoin was worth a whole 10 BTC
Mats_cd03: a lot has happened
Mats_cd03: i didnt own any until ~125
BingoBoingo: What part of last year was that...
BingoBoingo: ;;google trilema buttcoins nao
gribble: They really are Buttcoins nao pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/they-really-are-buttcoins-nao>; Perfect money corrupts absolutely pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/perfect-money-corrupts-absolutely/>; Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/bitcoin/>
Mats_cd03: i imagine it was prior to february
moiety: bitcoinpete: that's immense! thanks for the link, so nice to read an actual experience of it :D i also didn't know: "A 5-speed manual was available from the factory, but of the 20,000 Figaros produced, only a small fraction had the do-it-yourselfer installed."
bitcoinpete: moiety :D
bitcoinpete: it was one of the funner driving experiences i've had
BingoBoingo: Eh, I don't judge my road experiences on what I'm driving, but on the WTF shit I encounter.
moiety: i would like a figaro at some point even moar nao!
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: as the passenger, sure
bitcoinpete: but some cars have a way of worming their way into your heart
moiety: you encounter a lot of wtf shit whilst driving BingoBoingo, like the pizza-sized man-grappling turtles and floods from nowhere
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: I imagine part of that is a side effect of Canada.
bitcoinpete: pretty much
bitcoinpete: there's not a lot to drive to or by
bitcoinpete: it's just… flat
moiety: the old minis are fun little things
BingoBoingo: moiety: I have a suspicion the redneck's intention for the turtle was soup, but... Would not be surprised if the turtle won.
bitcoinpete: moiety: never driven one! what's the biggest size of human they'll fit?
BingoBoingo: I could see having a "fun" car, but probably as a third car. First car is blending in car. Second is moving shit car. Third car can be fun car.
moiety: well the thing is, you can fit a six foot person in np, because there is nothing inside. ther foot wells are bare. so seat right back and you can fold a large person in. their head sort of skiffs the roof though
moiety: my uncle refurbed one for my mum as her first car before minis had their revival and panels were still £15 each. great wee car.
assbot: Congressman asks NSA to provide metadata for lost IRS e-mails | Ars Technica
Mats_cd03: excellent
bitcoinpete: moiety i feel like i'd need a sunroof to pop my fro out out of ;)
BingoBoingo is not yet sure if Miata or Trabant would be more of a fun car.
bitcoinpete: trabant is you're a wrencher, miata if you're a driver
moiety: miatas are for hairdressers BingoBoingo
bitcoinpete: and hipsters
bitcoinpete: and middle-aged middle managers
moiety: i honestly think they only look good hard topped
bitcoinpete: as far as i can tell hairdressers drive hyundai elantras
moiety: they are meant to handle brilliantly
BingoBoingo: I just like the idea of a car that is acceptable to move from one garage to another by one's hands and feet
Mats_cd03: miatas are r small, i can barely move inside one
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: so a bicycle
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: I cover too much distance for a bicycle. Also Bicycle may not have room for... compartments.
bitcoinpete: paniers
bitcoinpete: solve all your problems
bitcoinpete: i basically don't drive in the summer… all 4 months of it here
bitcoinpete: well, off to pottery class. bon soir
BingoBoingo: Does anyone here know how firearms laws work at the intersection of Panama and COlumbia?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: I still don't think 14 Billion by Bastille day is happening. << dunno man. some crazy hash added past coupla days
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: But can it stick.
mircea_popescu: well who's to know
BingoBoingo: I don't have resources to interfere with random blogs much less pools. Pool politics is getting rather Nasty. Reminds me of that place upstate named after it's stench.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> heat math << unterseeminer. << going into the trouble with pressure watertight sealing for hardware with lifespan measured in months? dunno << he has a solid point. the most important effect of overheat is shortening lifespan of chips. for miners ? who gives a shit, they're bricks in a year anyway
mircea_popescu: trinque so what do you do ?
trinque: mircea_popescu: write code, hoard bitcoins
trinque: yourself?
benkay: <bitcoinpete> well, off to pottery class. bon soir // someone's picking up new girlfriends
mircea_popescu: im an asshole.
assbot: MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange.
mircea_popescu: benkay pottery not пиздery
BingoBoingo: So... after a lot of drinking on the matter I think I know what I'm doing with the portable.
benkay: art classes are great places to pick up girls!
BingoBoingo: benkay: Cam sites work so much better.
mircea_popescu: "single girl in artclass". does this sound like something to get involved with ?!
trinque: mircea_popescu: what luck! I too am an asshole
mircea_popescu: too late. already said you're a coder.
trinque: benkay: interesting
BingoBoingo: Then again as mircea_popescu pointed out last month... I probably need to target a cleaner class of girl...
mircea_popescu: i pointed out such ?!
trinque: hue "cleaner"
mircea_popescu: so til argentina has no national drink
mircea_popescu: this is a serious drawback
moiety: why would you want one that everyone's already seen anyways BingoBoingo
moiety: mircea_popescu: do they just drink everything?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I thought it was looking like Malbec...
mircea_popescu: apparently.
mircea_popescu: and what do you think, he's lookng for something new ?! he's not looking for novelty, he's looking for the same old thing well oiled.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well ya they have good wine, but i mean licker
BingoBoingo: moiety: So you know what they are into.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Wait, no hard liqour of worth there?
mircea_popescu: only imports.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22200 @ 0.00082215 = 18.2517 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: whichj... whatever, havana club
mircea_popescu: fluffypony http://blog.spagni.net/posts/2014-06-16/ << you srsly need better urls
assbot: The problem with idioms...
BingoBoingo: Eh, if it isn't a good brown liquor, I'm prefer the closest thing I can find to a pure solution of ETOH and water
mircea_popescu: re the reddit ghash link, "It's ironic they propose "starting" what everyone else has been doing for years." << this will be the fucking epitaph of bitcoin once it finally fucking croaks
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06761369 = 0.6761 BTC [-]
mthreat: mircea_popescu: fernet
mircea_popescu: i'd rather drink donkey piss.
mthreat: that doesn't mean it can't be the national drink
mthreat: they mix it with coke
mircea_popescu: it has to be a drink first.
mircea_popescu: !up buanz0
mircea_popescu: hey there.
buanz0: hi everyone
BingoBoingo: mthreat: Describe this fernet
mircea_popescu: so you gotta reg your id with gribble.
mircea_popescu: it'll give you a challenge and then you're part of the cool kids
buanz0: fernet is a herbal bitter that argentines love
mircea_popescu: that's the central fernet factory
mthreat: BingoBoingo: hmm. it's a italian aperitif, I believe. Not very good by itself.
buanz0: i will do that later, just popping in for a quick WASSSSSUUUP per your request, mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: coolness.
mircea_popescu: so buanz0 is a jiffy/audacity dev guy
buanz0: it is awesome by itself, you just need to be non-unitedstatian
buanz0: :P
mthreat: apparently the hipsters in SF are big on fernet right now
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Ack, mthreat At their best bitters of any sort are a garnish, not a drink of themself.
buanz0: you might remember that Alfred from batman forever drinks fernet :P
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ill give them ths much tho , you can order strega in most cafes and they'll have it.
mthreat: BingoBoingo: an italian told me that in italy they drink it like a medicine
mircea_popescu: haven't tried galliano and other herbal shit, but anyway
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot
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mthreat: so i guess it's the equivalent of drinking robitussin
buanz0: i drink it as a stomach med
mircea_popescu: buanz0 ^ check it out, 1st link.
mircea_popescu: i betcha you've never seen a wot this cool before :D
mircea_popescu: <mthreat> so i guess it's the equivalent of drinking robitussin << ok, i can see that.
buanz0: i have seen some pretty weird stuff, mir
mthreat: mircea_popescu: actually, a place you might like is one of the "secret" speakeasys
mircea_popescu: mthreat aite, so let's go sometime.
mthreat: deal
mircea_popescu: i was telling buanz0 about their bdsm party and he was all like... omg when's the next one.
mircea_popescu: then i told him he'll have to talk the wife into going naked, he visibly softened.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Strega's nice. mthreat buanz0 If you want to robotrip just drink the tussin. Unless you have unfortunate genetics at CYP2D6 you'll survive a bottle.
mircea_popescu: is this some pseudoephedrin cocktail ?
buanz0: LOL
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: No, dextromorphan
buanz0: I distill absinth myself.
buanz0: still, not my kind of poison
BingoBoingo: Usually there's only a little vomitting. I've only had the experience thrice before surrendering to it being unpleasant in spite of the right genetics.
buanz0: naked wifes only in summer
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moiety: absinth is what has created my wtf nights
mircea_popescu: buanz0 it's heated.
buanz0: good for you.
benkay: <mircea_popescu> so til argentina has no national drink // fernet!
mircea_popescu: by animal means.
benkay: it comes in big gulps at the big clubs
buanz0: the national drink is a herbal infusion known as mate
buanz0: Mate
mircea_popescu: benkay rtfl
benkay: no u
benkay: i have a bag of mate in the cupboard
benkay: CAN YOU TELL I LIKED IT?
mircea_popescu: what do you do with it ?
buanz0: yeah, our national drink means "to do it" in english. we frikin rule :P
benkay: buanz0: who are you??
mthreat: mircea_popescu: ever notice people walking around with a big thermos and a small silver cup with a silver "straw"?
buanz0: ask mircea
mircea_popescu: (also, funny story : i visit friend, she's not there, i decide to make tea. i make tea, i taste it, ittastes like shit. eventually i get bored and leave.
benkay: mircea_popescu: who's buanz0
buanz0: good
mircea_popescu: she calls me later "hey, did you boil some catnip at my place ?!"
buanz0: :P
moiety: epic lol
mircea_popescu: me "ow shit, that's why it tasted like shit. i thought you kept tea in the cupboard"
benkay: moiety: i read something you wrote earlier as "5-speed manul"
mircea_popescu: her "fuck i spent an hour trying to figure out how this happened"
mircea_popescu: mthreat yep
BingoBoingo: moiety: I like absinthe, but on ice. None of that sugar cube stuff. Don't want to become another Diabeetus 'Murican.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo im seriously considering a dolce-de-leche only diet for conference
mircea_popescu: gotta offer guests the best!
mircea_popescu: <benkay> buanz0: who are you?? RTFL omg!
moiety: lol benkay! what have i done to you all in here?! manuls ingrained :D
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: As long as the beef accompanies it.
mircea_popescu: dolce de leche beef... hmm...
moiety: BingoBoingo: never had it on ice. i need the sugar or it's so harsh to me
assbot: Conan O'Brien Drinking Yerba Mate - YouTube
moiety: that was originally because of laudenum though, the sugar cube, wasn't it?
buanz0: BingoBoingo: I like my absinth with good iced water, depending on the kind of absinth I might add a bit of sugar. the cube thing is just for show.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You know the restaurants ther would serve it...
moiety: i thought they dripped laudenum onto the cube and dropped it in the absinthe
buanz0: some do. i dont care.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34489 @ 0.00081986 = 28.2762 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: moiety: Too much sugar in the booze leads to booze sweats in the morning.
buanz0: i've done my fair bit of distilling and brewing to know how i like to drink :P
moiety: sorry
buanz0: it all comes down to the different recipes out there, check out www.absenta.cl
BingoBoingo: I might just switch to grain alcohol and distilled water. Purity of essence for the win.
buanz0: LOL
moiety: i have a 5 gallon brown demi john and a 1 gallon clear one. i want to start making my own things.
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> mircea_popescu: You know the restaurants ther would serve it... << ya prolly
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you can just drink the medicinal alcohol here. i know, cause i tried it. cue "ok, that is by FAR the most ghetto thing I ever saw you do" from floored assistence
buanz0: ok everyone, off to cook. it's 9.17pm in .ar - my nick will be buanzo, mircea knows how to get in touch with me. cya.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Prolly the most valuable part of my college education was learning which 40 oz bottle of Malt liquor were palatable.
BingoBoingo: King Cobra, probably the best fermented beverage in the US.
mircea_popescu: mthreat but you know, national drink in the sense of how romanians have tzuica and scotts scotch.
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mthreat: mircea_popescu: ah ok. when i google "argentina national drink" it says mate. I think the national drink is peronism
BingoBoingo: Don't cry for me... Argentina
mircea_popescu: i wonder if given a choice to drink marylin or eva who'd people pick
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BingoBoingo: Prolla Eva
mircea_popescu: personally i think i'd prefer the yankee.
mircea_popescu: she was hippy
BingoBoingo: The dark hair and ridiculous lipstick on a girl do it for me.
mircea_popescu: this should be informative tho : both of them spent their teenage years whoring.
BingoBoingo: Indeed, and both rose to astounding success in their whore specialties
mircea_popescu: seems the one thing a woman can do to make sure she won't be remarkable, or remembered, is stay in school as a teenager.
BingoBoingo: They can prolly stay in school, they just can't date.
BingoBoingo: They whore successfully on their own of whore for a master. Classes can be taken around that.
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BingoBoingo says this a someone who tried to start a blackboard vs. whiteboard flamewar.
mircea_popescu: ya what was that al; about
asciilifeform blackboard << always wondered if mathematicians ever die of 'white lung'
mircea_popescu: moiety thaty looks like a mini
BingoBoingo: Whiteboards just don't work, and having been drinking since about... 1PM mircea_popescu time... I supposed aspects of bingo University.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform chalk dust or toluene, pick your embalming technique
benkay: ;;later tell buanzo nice to meetcha
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform picks graphite
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: to my knowledge common chalk minerals are readily digested by the lungs... Electronics and chalk are another matter.
mircea_popescu: pankkake: and the all bitcoin wallets… is an outright lie. << consider the source. the guy doesn't readily know which hole his piss comes out of .
moiety: mircea_popescu: :D they were based on minis and the other little coupes of the time
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: common chalk minerals << your chalk isn't CaCO3?! do we even want to know?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2251 @ 0.00081664 = 1.8383 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: When I had access to chalkboards I used a caco3/caso4 mix, whiter lasted longer.
mircea_popescu: "snort recycled chalk. it's great for your lungs and interesting for speologists, too!"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 86192 @ 0.00009999 = 8.6183 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: I also can't be arsed to make a Fiverr account. << yeah i kinda need fiver type of things but can'r be arsed either.
mircea_popescu: jurov you willing to open your fiverr to the chan ? or who was it that had one, mike ?
BingoBoingo: -assets problems
BingoBoingo: Maybe fluffypony
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03: shits weak << he has you there bb.
BingoBoingo: Still, I think the matriculation test is a valuable idea.
BingoBoingo: By the time a person takes it they are too late to reconsider another institution so after a year of shoveling shit they either get their act together or die.
mircea_popescu: what matriculation is that ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Into the freshman class or the subfreshman class.
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for miners ? who gives a shit, they're bricks in a year anyway << not necessarily. let's gedankenexperiment. picture scenario where the two or three remaining producers ship... sabotaged ic. (take your pick - timed self-destruct, perverted algo with collusion of 'dev' folks, etc.)
mircea_popescu: uh ok...
asciilifeform: old hardware - suddenly worth something. at least temporarily.
nubbins`: right on! so this local arts newspaper wants to do a spread on pink eye for their july issue
mircea_popescu: hey good for you
nubbins`: tyvm, pictures & everything
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kinda improbable.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo dredging up VAXen also seemed improbable just a few years ago.
mircea_popescu: no bit look
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Indeed it did, but nao....
mircea_popescu: the "value" of the sabotage is high. to expect an agent to do a high value thing just so YOU can capture its benefits...
mircea_popescu: obviously if they do that, they have a bullet for you, too.
mircea_popescu: rarely will someone kill the queen to die to the bishop as it were
BingoBoingo: Happens, but you need at least two bishops for checkmate.
asciilifeform: i'd even dare to guess that the much-hyped ic fab diddling does indeed take place - but through...
asciilifeform: ... diddled toolchains.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo happens in constrained spaces
mircea_popescu: not so much in open
asciilifeform: nobody's gone over tape-out mask with a magnifying glass since when, '85 ?
asciilifeform: think: variation on the ken thompson theme.
asciilifeform: yereaditherephurst (tm)
mircea_popescu: nobody has a clue what's in their toolchain anyway
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: If you wipe out the other pieces two bishops and a king can mate a king. actually works better with less clutter on the boardd.
mircea_popescu: it could secretly hum ave maria very quietly for all anyone knew
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo by open i mean, a situation that doesn't have a fixed border at the 8th column, ora fixed nuymber of pieces and no generators etcv
asciilifeform: likewise: if the toolchain is diddled on the manufacturer's (golden master copy) end, you can own multiple (all?) ic producers.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: In that case you aren't playing chess, but instead a more interesting game.
asciilifeform: the monoculture in engineering software puts microshit to shame
mircea_popescu: (to both of you)
asciilifeform: afaik this has been discussed - nowhere.
mircea_popescu whistles... nowhere but here baby, for if you make it here
mircea_popescu: you make it... everywhere
BingoBoingo: afaik asciilifeform HN and the aggregators banned you for a reasons...
BingoBoingo: Seekrits... FPGAs as user interactive platforms.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36900 @ 0.00081655 = 30.1307 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: All of a sudden any user makes their own wildly incompatible bedrocks.
asciilifeform: betcha all the current btc asic houses use, e.g. 'synopsys'
BingoBoingo: Shhhh....
mircea_popescu: actually this could be a pretty decent haxxor project
asciilifeform: even more fun than the traditional compiler infector.
mircea_popescu: "hijack the fab toolchain"
asciilifeform: (yes they're still extant)
BingoBoingo: It's what Gov-hash.io would do.
mthreat: dumb mining question: is electricity the biggest cost these days? If so, has anyone set up an operation in a locale with cheap (possibly subsidized) electricity?
mircea_popescu: not the biggest cost, but a relevant factor ; yes.
BingoBoingo: mthreat: The biggest mining cost has always been the opportunity cost.
asciilifeform: picture: silicocalypse, and just chuck moore left standing.
mthreat: BingoBoingo: that's why I haven't pursued mining
asciilifeform: (he's got his own end-to-end chain)
mthreat: mircea_popescu: argentina has subsidized electricity, i believe
mircea_popescu: so does china
mthreat: mircea_popescu: partially subsidized, i mean
mthreat: ok. I figured folks were already all over that.
mircea_popescu: the one thing that may make a datacenter feasible is having someone trustworthy to oversee it
mircea_popescu: that's an unbeatable service, pretty much everyone is shady as fuck
mircea_popescu: see cex.io etc
BingoBoingo: Cex.io is going to cause much more butthurt than Gox ever could and it was promoted by the same tards.
kakobrekla: was it ?
mircea_popescu: well, it was promoted also by a set of tards that promote everything
mircea_popescu: so in thatsens
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: I'm talking on the low end. Last summer.
BingoBoingo: At its birth Cex has derps by the ISIS truckload.
kakobrekla: i dunno. the asset they trade only goes down.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla so clearly it's bvetter than all other investments. stop trolling :D
BingoBoingo: Nasty honest...
BingoBoingo: Where the consistent loses are merely club dues.
mircea_popescu: the death of critical thinking in school curricula has inter alia resulted in this mass of idiots who will think they're important and meaningful no matter what.
mircea_popescu: which in turn creates a class of guys selling them participation.
mircea_popescu: someone should make the club of "responsible people that keep the sun rising"
mircea_popescu: and you know, collect 20 bux a week in exchange for equipment these idiots "use" to make the sun keep rising
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16257 @ 0.00081604 = 13.2664 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: Well, people still need to buy participation in the form of Trilema credits to keep up with the cool kids. The bottom of the class will never understand the distinct difference in value returned.
mircea_popescu: if all it took weresome tcredits to make someone smart...
BingoBoingo: It doesn't work. I tried throwing around trilema cookies when TF's coinchat was a thing.
BingoBoingo: Yeah, people kept buying cex inspite of the PMB article.
BingoBoingo: This goes into the distinction between mike_c and TheNewDeal trying to buy into my no bet against the same hard boundaries and only one of them speaking a language I could agree to.
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Wanted to purchase exactly what the bet could underwrite. TheNewDeal wanted something better. Even if mike_c's payment would have been lower it was infinitely more attractive because the bet could underwrite itself.
BingoBoingo: The Coinchat tard were largely forum tards for whom the forum could not burn their money fast enough. And without and option to remotely fry their retinas I had no stick with which to educate them.
BingoBoingo: They could not understand Cex.io was a PMB with greater risk to themselves.
BingoBoingo: Also so many people fell for other idiots pitches where they were making asics in their garage. It was a nightmare.
moiety: This hasn't changed. You can explain until you are blue in the face. People do not want to listen/learn.
BingoBoingo: On the plus side though people would do anything for a bitcent.
mircea_popescu: kinmda how i feel about substance abuse
mircea_popescu: you can tlel people anything you want, they're still gonna imagine drugs are cool mkay
moiety nods
mircea_popescu: it's all a case of "hey dawg, we heard you like endorphins so we put more endorphins in your endorphins so you can space out while you';re spacing out"
mircea_popescu: gl getting it through.
moiety: i have given up trying
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BingoBoingo: Honestly I doubt anything could end civilization faster than booze without the hangover, but then... You see those opiates collapsing US civilization.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo actually romanian booze doesn't give you a hangover
mircea_popescu: just a pleasant mellow th next day
mircea_popescu: that's why we never amount to anything
BingoBoingo: That would eplain your dissatisfactions with Timisoara's direction
mircea_popescu: how so ?
BingoBoingo: If getting fucked up has no consequences no one appreciates the danger of it.
BingoBoingo: And no one does anything because they can painlessly numb away their failure.
mircea_popescu: a, their drink up around there is kinda shitty.
mircea_popescu: sorta like you know, "new hampshire moonshine"
mircea_popescu: ok the rosenblatt article is quite lulzy
mircea_popescu: While Demand Media went public for a blistering $2 billion in 2011, its articles were largely useless, with titles ranging from "How to Boil Water" to "How to Turn on a Mac Computer." Google, in an effort to serve up quality content to its users, dropped Demand's articles down in the search results. The company's traffic plummeted and its shareholders were left researching "How to Write Off a Worthless Stock."
BingoBoingo: I think at my lowest points I made a couple tanks of gas off of them. Stopped because their editorial policies made anything useful impossible.
assbot: Am i pregnent???? please help me....?
kakobrekla: chill the fuck down assbot, you are not.
mircea_popescu: lol win.
decimation: I watched "Elysium" on the redeye back from hawaii last night. Steve Sailor's review nails it: http://takimag.com/article/elysium_neill_blomkamp_fools_the_critics_again_steve_sailer
assbot: Elysium: Neill Blomkamp Fools the Critics Again - Taki's Magazine
mircea_popescu: what have been doing with the assbot kako ?
peterl: so I was reading the trilema about the D series
peterl: essentially it is naked shorting derps?
moiety: lmao @ "if he spirmed in you"
mircea_popescu: peterl yea
peterl: and how does that squash them?
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10022 @ 0.0001 = 1.0022 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: that's complicated.
peterl: I figured. is there a simple way to understand it?
BingoBoingo: Complicated in the same way that earned Amphoteracin the nickname Amphoterrible.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell BingoBoingo you should do some pharacology posts
gribble: The operation succeeded.
peterl: And if they never list their company publicly, you just get to keep the money?
peterl: What happens if they sell out to a big company instead of listing?
mircea_popescu: peterl perhaps. suppose some guy comes to your town and starts seelling bottled water as "magical healing elixir"
mircea_popescu: for 95 a bottle.
mircea_popescu: now suppose 7/11 down thestreet from him sees this and puts up an ad : "same thing. 75c"
peterl: so people buy from 7-11
mircea_popescu: kinda makes it difficult for the shills pretending to be buying from the guy.
mircea_popescu: because now they are actually going against sanity, much like the "havelock users" that somehow "bought" the re-ipo, briefly at 200% averages
mircea_popescu: the rent re-ipo*
peterl: but doesn't derp have infinite hitpoints?
mircea_popescu: problem with these deals is that they're not for derps.
BingoBoingo: peterl: Derp lacks infinite money.
mircea_popescu: that's the whole selling point of a series a : "buy before the masses"
mircea_popescu: if anyone can have it, for cheaper, you can't sell more.
peterl: ah, so this is a way to make money off the endless stream of derps?
mircea_popescu: if you can't sell more, and even if you have good reason to suspect you won't be able to sell more, you have no furhter reasopn to even try
mircea_popescu: not like you're in it for reals anyway.
mircea_popescu: no. this is a way to expose the usg agents trying to push bitcoin a certain way.
peterl: do you expect people to actually buy shares from you, or will it just be a way to expose the sham they are running?
mircea_popescu: i expect anyone who actually thinks one of the things is worth money to buy from me first, yes.
mircea_popescu: kinda how economics work.
kakobrekla: (in theory)
mircea_popescu: no, it's actually how economics work in practice.
peterl: but buying from you does not get capital to the people who would make it work
mircea_popescu: anyway, it exposes the hostile agents to a hard case of the "either stupid or evil" dilemma.
mircea_popescu: it does, sure.
decimation: presumably the 'founders' who believed in their company would buy shares too
BingoBoingo: decimation: If they need capital why would they buy shares?
mircea_popescu: no but there's no difference between avoiding a debt and making a gain. inasmuch as the offer is there, it's indifferent who you buy from. if you buy from me you prevent someone else from doing so, who will in turn have to buy from the "Founders"
mircea_popescu: economy is still a zero sum game, and you don't actually have political directionality.
kakobrekla: i guess we shall see about the practice part.
peterl: BingoBoingo: if they had capital, why would they be selling shares?
decimation: I think bingo means why would they buy D series from mircea
BingoBoingo: decimation: No.
BingoBoingo: peterl: You didn't quite hit the contrapositive of my position.
peterl: I don't think I meant to?
Mats_cd03: decimation: elysium's production value was incredible. props from peter jackson's failed halo movie made it into elysium, like the flying machine
BingoBoingo: peterl: Because your construction is silly. How much capital has Armandi raised for no purpose.
peterl: So you are saying they would raise capital and then use it to buy D shares?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1106 @ 0.00081727 = 0.9039 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i suppose that could yield them a profit.
BingoBoingo: peterl: No, you are trying to add context absent from my proposition.
asciilifeform: they could also saw off their own limbs and roast them. save on food cost for their startup.
mircea_popescu: so apparently bitcoind has a serious problem with moving timezones
decimation: mats: heh yeah you are right. I think he was trying to convey several points: 1.) half measures don't work - shoot down the third world shuttles when they invade 2.) democracy turns to decadence - too weak to hold the allodial rights to a domain
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I kind of though that was part of the MP attitude towards building certain ideas. If you lack the captital to not roast your leg and can't ask for money, you eat yourself.
mircea_popescu: "Then he got to her essay. As he remembers it, she mentioned a French teacher she greatly admired. She described their one-on-one conversation at the end of a school day. And then, this detail: During their talk, when an urge to go to the bathroom could no longer be denied, she decided not to interrupt the teacher or exit the room. She simply urinated on herself."
Mats_cd03: yeah and for fucks sake audit your code so the peasants dont ruin elysium
decimation: lol re: college admissions - it's also well known that putting something like "future farmer of america" or "boy scout" or "rotc" (high school junior military "club") greatly reduces the probability of admission
decimation: mats: yeah that's the other point - if the "logic" of your computerized government system is reprogrammable, you've fucked up
mircea_popescu: boy scout ?! why ?
mircea_popescu: not gay enough anymore ?
asciilifeform: the wrong gay
BingoBoingo: decimation: My Eagle scoutness did not adversly affect my admissionness to undergrad.
asciilifeform: (as outlined in mp's essay on the subclasses)
decimation: did you go to an ivy league?
BingoBoingo: decimation: No, incentive for such was insufficient.
mircea_popescu: lol so then you don't count
assbot: Matt Adams now tied for the /hashtag/stlcards?src=hash team lead with three triples.
decimation: well, basically going to ivy league is religious indoctrination
decimation: so it's not suprising that they only select the non-heretics
mircea_popescu: ima brb.
BingoBoingo: decimation: I went to a Methodist college, but... Methodism isn't a real religion anyways.
decimation: Methodism has backslid into general liberal derpiness
BingoBoingo: decimation: No, it just realized its only potential value is a a social club
BingoBoingo: Derpiness comes later
decimation: if you discount Christianity's assertations about the nature, I would agree with you
decimation: "the nature" being the natural and the supernatural
BingoBoingo: decimation: You have to realize what I say about methodism is purely as an outside observer.
decimation: asciilifeform: re: engineering toolchain - I wonder if Intel's toolchain suppliers have ever experimented with "enhancements"
decimation: the motive, means, and opportunity are there
BingoBoingo: I remember when AMD fucked their compilers by cribbing Intel
decimation: some of intel's performance libraries will refuse to work on AMD hardware, unsurprisingly
BingoBoingo: Right, even though ideally the same instruction sets are implemented.
decimation: re: elyisum (from steve sailor's review): "Elysium originated in a disastrous visit to Mexico in 2005. While shooting a Nike commercial in lovely San Diego, the Boer crossed the border one evening to see Tijuana, where he was abducted by corrupt Mexican cops who shook him down for $900 in return for not killing him."
decimation: the genius thing is that he got the critics to rave that he was writing a movie about Obamacare
decimation: "Art, from the Great Pyramid on down, is actually about the most talented and/or self-confident bullying the rest of us into furnishing them with the resources to realize their visions, while the nice liberal dweebs pass on to us the artists? self-serving justifications."
moiety: i've made a start to the wiki bot commands list with assbot, i'll finish gribble tomorrow. mod6 and i working on atcbot soon. totally wiped out, night all :]
Mats_cd03: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 306237 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 194 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 0 hours, 30 minutes, and 18 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 13315704078.8 | Estimated Percent Change: 13.26199
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33250 @ 0.00082386 = 27.3933 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: <peterl> essentially it is naked shorting derps? // <mircea_popescu> peterl yea // how does this square with your recent pronouncements against naked shorting?
benkay: Mats_cd03: you could always do spv on ios
benkay: (hue)
TheNewDeal: praise the hashgods, the bitcoin network is strong once again
benkay: prase the handjobs!
assbot: How Tony Gwynn Cracked Baseball's Code And Became A Legend
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: You have to realize there is plenty of time for... externalities
TheNewDeal: there was, the window is increasingly tightening
TheNewDeal: literally about 13 days for something drastic to happen
BingoBoingo: And what was this weekend? We could have a full blown pool war.
TheNewDeal: didn't seem to slow the hashrate
Mats_cd03: benkay: im going to push some bit-c eventually, just a matter of time
BingoBoingo: For a while ~50% of the hashrate was out of the game.
TheNewDeal: when did this occur
BingoBoingo: The Ghash.io DDoS
Mats_cd03: er bit-c code, dropped a word.
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: It wasn't a long thing, seemed like a strong warning.
Mats_cd03: ecdsa+gpg signing, gpg-agent, coin selection is what im working on
TheNewDeal: yah I was going to say, the sipa chart doesn't show much of a bump http://bitcoin.sipa.be/growth-10k.png
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Looked like a warning shot. I imagine actual violence comes later.
Mats_cd03: 95% of my time has been consumed by reading ncurses docs. drives me mad
BingoBoingo: Also there's the part where this bet has me sweating.
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: Embrace it.
BingoBoingo plays FFVII, about to fuck up Wutai
Mats_cd03: benkay: i forget exactly what it was you wanted. tx ids and a json api?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 62 @ 0.0665643 = 4.127 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7650 @ 0.0008216 = 6.2852 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: <peterl> essentially it is naked shorting derps? // <mircea_popescu> peterl yea // how does this square with your recent pronouncements against naked shorting? << division by 0 is a problem, 0 divided by 0 is not.
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03:95% of my time has been consumed by reading ncurses docs. drives me mad <<< ahaha heard this before
mircea_popescu: ahaha get a load of this
mircea_popescu: Michele Hernandez, another prominent admissions counselor, runs one or more sessions of an Application Boot Camp every summer in which roughly 25 to 30 kids will be tucked away for four days in a hotel to work with a team of about eight editors on what she told me were as many as 10 drafts of each of three to five different essays. The camp costs $14,000 per student. That doesn’t include travel to it, the hotel bill
mircea_popescu: , breakfast or dinners, but it does include lunch and a range of guidance, both before and during the four days, on how students should fill out college applications and best showcase themselves.
mircea_popescu: Hernandez, Jager-Hyman and others in the booming admissions-counseling business
mircea_popescu: booming ? fucking scam, 15k for nothing.
mircea_popescu: “Admissions officers pay as much attention to students’ choice of essay topic as they do to the details in their essays,” Motto told me.
mircea_popescu: i'd be fucken surprised if anyone ever read one of those things
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> Mats_cd03:95% of my time has been consumed by reading ncurses docs. drives me mad <<< ahaha heard this before << at least ncurses has docs... unlike gnome
Apocalyptic: <Megalomania> when we go into space, real estate prices on earth will crash
Apocalyptic: <Megalomania> poor people will live better
Apocalyptic: what shit can people come to these days...
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo gnome prolly doesn't actually exist at all
mircea_popescu: just an insider joek
BingoBoingo: I'm starting to think that to an extent people can find use for Desktop environments over windowmangers, Xfce may be where it is at.
BingoBoingo: Actually has decent separation of things.
mircea_popescu: !up napedia
mircea_popescu: ;;rate napedia 1 I got a fan.
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asciilifeform: gnome!?
asciilifeform must've woken up in 2002
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 15k for nothing << surprisingly few people are aware of an interesting scam the 'ivy' unis run
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they make it virtually impossible for a kid to flunk
mircea_popescu: i bet they do
asciilifeform: (various means. sometimes direct diddling of grades, some even abolished grading for first years; many methods)
asciilifeform: while in public unis, at least in hard sciences, 40-50% flunk
mircea_popescu: once they got a sucker theyd rater not lose it
BingoBoingo: SLAC ends tend to be the same but the means are subtler than Ivys as always
mircea_popescu: a uni program that doesn't shed 50% is dubious on its face
mircea_popescu: you just can't get such a good measure of kids coupla years post puberty
asciilifeform: so now you know one of the services they provide.
Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> a uni program that doesn't shed 50% is dubious on its face << pretty much
asciilifeform: guaranteed max grade
asciilifeform: but in order to provide this service, they must maintain the illusion of 'we only recruit True Genius!'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but it's max grade from the forum's investor grading thing. A+++
asciilifeform: precisely this one
mircea_popescu: yes but economy has the same age old problem : it's real. once i know that ivy league predicts non-competence im not hiring them anymore.
mircea_popescu: signals be signals, all i need is to know what they mean.
asciilifeform: the next stage of pipeline for the ivy kids (employment, either directly in .gov, or the many quasi-private arms of the ussa hydra) follows the same formula.
asciilifeform: i.e. hire the folks with the yale '4.0'
asciilifeform: it's a kind of smaller 'komsomol'
mircea_popescu: exactly how the chinese ended up ruled by manchuku, too.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu knows history, cannot be surprised
decimation: mircea: except the job of the ivies is to prepare someone to coddle USG for a living
BingoBoingo: See. I imagine a solution to this problem. Matriculation exam and a subfreshman class aspiring to not shovel shit the next year.
bitstein: ;;rate napedia 8 Close friend from Austin, TX BTC meetup. Wicked smart. Lots of privilege.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 8 for user napedia has been recorded.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what problem. the 'patient' is 100% microzoa by weight at this point.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I imagine gnome is one of those abandonware projects like gnash people flock to merely for their existence
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'he' needs - not antibiotic - but proper burial.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The mercy problem. They have 1 year to study before becoming the shit they shovel.
asciilifeform: [insert obligatory mit battery film]
asciilifeform: ;;mitbattery
gribble: Error: "mitbattery" is not a valid command.
BingoBoingo: ;;google mit battery
gribble: Batteries | MIT News Office: <http://newsoffice.mit.edu/topic/batteries>; Liquid Metal Batteries - Group Sadoway: <http://sadoway.mit.edu/research/liquid-metal-batteries>; Saying goodbye to batteries - MIT: <http://web.mit.edu/erc/spotlights/ultracapacitor.html>
BingoBoingo: ;;google mit battery fail
gribble: A123's Technology Just Wasn't Good Enough | MIT Technology ...: <http://www.technologyreview.com/news/429647/a123s-technology-just-wasnt-good-enough/>; Technical Innovations Help Explain Why Tesla Is Succeeding and ...: <http://www.technologyreview.com/news/513151/why-tesla-survived-and-fisker-wont/>; What the Tesla Battery Fire Means for Electric Vehicles | MIT ...: (1 more message)
assbot: MIT genuises with lightbulb - YouTube
BingoBoingo: OMG conspiracy!!!
bitstein: ;;rate justusranvier 8 Close friend from Austin, TX BTC meetup. John Connor of Bitcoin.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 8 for user justusranvier has been recorded.
decimation: re gnome: I wonder why Redhat continues to favor gnome - it seems KDE is far more professional for a "desktop environment"
assbot: Why I am Not a Professor
asciilifeform: ^ recommended reading. british, but generally applicable.
decimation: ascii, as long as USG is able to keep the bezzle going - joining the bezzle wot is going to be profitable. Ivies are the traditional entrance to the bezzle wot
asciilifeform: decimation: not a secret. only throwing some light on the mechanics.
decimation: right, the question is merely guessing when the machine explodes, and how to hide
bitstein: ;;rate mircea_popescu 2 Great blog, presides over great #bitcoin-assets group. Very welcoming.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user mircea_popescu has been recorded.
decimation: examining the details is interesting though. Here's a USG employee who was actually "fired" - and he named names: http://www.spacenews.com/article/civil-space/40868nasa-heliophysics-director-fired
assbot: NASA Heliophysics Director Fired | SpaceNews.com
decimation: "?I believe that the problems in the Heliophysics Division are dominated by the continuing actions of Dr. Madhulika Guhathakurta,? Chenette wrote. ?By her actions she chooses not to work as a member of the Heliophysics Division team. More than any other person she has been an unusually divisive and polarizing presence in the heliophysics community.?
asciilifeform: at least they didn't plug him
asciilifeform: like this fellow
assbot: Livermore Engineer's Mysterious Death / Investigators in the brutal slaying of Lee Scott Hall -- who found a flaw in a billion-dollar project -- are exasperated by the lab's lack of cooperation - SFGate
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17266 @ 0.0008216 = 14.1857 BTC [-]
bitstein: ;;rate bitcoinpete 2 Great blog, brought me into the #bitcoin-assets WoT.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user bitcoinpete has been recorded.
assbot: Lives of the Stars, Courtesy of Whoopi Goldberg, Madhlika Guhathakurta, Ro Kinzler and A Cast of Millions | Women's Voices For Change
decimation: In addition, NASA?s Guhathakurta pointed to a core philosophical theme, about the connections among the building blocks of the universe and their connection to human beings. ?People will have now seen it with their own eyes,? she said. ?And they will see that at a very deep level ? a molecular level, really ? we are all connected to each other.?
decimation: So, basically the guy was fired because he was put in charge of a Party member
decimation: and was confused when he thought his nominal job title meant anything to the way power is actually excercised
BingoBoingo: decimation: KDE isn't a desktop environment anymore though. It is nao a kitchen sink circle jerk. Eventually they'll make a kernel... Just you wait...
decimation: yeah KDE went downhill after around 3, when it was just a desktop environment
BingoBoingo: I like Xfce for no other reason than they basically... stopped...
BingoBoingo: Still, it is no CDE
asciilifeform: decimation: gotta understand why they threw this fellow under the bus to cover for the shaman
asciilifeform: nasa has problems
decimation: heliophysics can also have problems
asciilifeform: namely, it's quite close to the front of the line for the chopping block
asciilifeform: how to get public support? court shamans
asciilifeform: don't be surprised to see nasa-branded horoscopes
decimation: well, the current pseudoscience shamanhood appears to be the climate change wing of the party
asciilifeform: plenty of physics folks still getting bread ticket there. but they are taught - on what toes not to step.
asciilifeform: this one wasn't a quick learner.
decimation: as long as your obscure research "proves climate change", you will avoid "problems"
asciilifeform: easy target. but understand that u.s. academia is divided into pissant fiefdoms entirely like the climate chumpatron
asciilifeform: just more obscure
asciilifeform: e.g. the fusion folks
decimation: yeah moldbug talks about the same phenomenon in computer science
assbot: Anatomy of a Fusion press release | Locklin on science
asciilifeform must have spammed the moldbug-on-cs link a thousand times
BingoBoingo: OMG, these chicken livers were prolly my best purchase this year.
BingoBoingo: 2lbs of them already fired for $3.50
asciilifeform: re: nasa & collapse - the very same thing happened in ussr
asciilifeform: physicists selling 'biorhythm' charts in bazaars to feed their children, etc
asciilifeform: public wants snake oil. academia - retools for snake production.
asciilifeform: all the 'democracy' catabolic collapse processes get thrown into high gear when the paycheques stop coming.
asciilifeform: thought pandering to bureaucrats sucked? try the public.
decimation: the mind reels. the amusing thing is that most of the "red state" enemies of the USG elite all think democracy is the best thing since sliced bread
asciilifeform: 'наука и жизнь' ('science & life', the russian equivalent of the - pre-90s-decay - 'scientific american') circa '91-97 was running pieces on nostradamus.
asciilifeform: just to keep the heat on
decimation: well, "popular science etc" are pretty much there today
asciilifeform: just remember kidz, we're all connected to each other and the universe through quantum-intestinal resonance.
asciilifeform: laugh now - press release later.
asciilifeform: decimation: the 'red' folks will get their nasa museaums, with noah's flood, etc
decimation: lol the scott locklin article. basically the NIF is a shrine to big engineering project meets pseudoscience
asciilifeform: decimation: visit any university lab in the u.s., anywhere. invite a postdoc for a drink, ask how much of what is done stands any chance whatsoever of 'working' - in the customary meaning of the word.
decimation: well, all of this stems from a lack of accountability and discipline. why not propose a $2bn shrine to ignorance? people in my district need jobs you know
asciilifeform: anything resembling 'accountability' would see the entire orchestra demolishes, the earth where it stood - salted.
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